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Speaker 1: All right, Simon, we're gonna start with the losers, and

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Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about. First one up

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Speaker 1: nine ers minus four and a half at Minnesota last game.

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Speaker 1: In biggest debate between the two of us, we were

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Speaker 1: not on consensus in this at noon. You said, and

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Speaker 1: I'm quoting, I know it's a trap. I just like

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Speaker 1: this Niners team. If it doesn't work out, blame me

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Speaker 1: on the show. I don't like to play the blame

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Speaker 1: game because you're my bff and we're in this together.

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Speaker 1: But I still don't get why we liked the Niners.

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Speaker 1: We like walked away from it. It was all over

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Speaker 1: sharp calls. Kerner like hated it and convinced me hated

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Speaker 1: the Niners, love the Vikings. What happened? What changed our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was a bad week to go

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Speaker 2: with the favorites. I just thought it was clearly an

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Speaker 2: overreaction to Week one, and Sean nailed it the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: previewed about what kind of team they wanted to be

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Speaker 2: this season, and it rolled over into this.

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Speaker 3: Forty nine Ers game, and yeah.

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Speaker 2: The everything that could go wrong did go wrong for

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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers, right, they didn't play the game

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Speaker 2: they're used to playing. But Sam Darnold still made big

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Speaker 2: time throws in big plays. So at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, yeah, things then bounce our way. But that

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Speaker 2: was that was a bad number and you nailed it,

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Speaker 2: like I I basically you were just like, we love

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Speaker 3: You've been on the Bengals all week.

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Speaker 2: And this was that was the team we switched out for,

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Speaker 2: was this forty nine Ers team. So yeah, they picked

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Speaker 2: a bad week to straight away from what this podcast is,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna own that one. That was a

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Speaker 2: bad switch out taking this forty nine Ers team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Niners were off. This entire game, the epitome

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Speaker 1: sequence where they went for it on fourth down at

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Speaker 1: Darnold hits Justin Jefferson for a ninety seven yard touchdown pass.

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Speaker 1: Like that was the epitome of this game. And we

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Speaker 1: got to give credit to Kevin O'Connell. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: say how how good of a coach Kevin O'Connell is.

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Speaker 1: But at this point, Sam Donald two games two and zero,

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Speaker 1: one win on the road, one win against the defending

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Speaker 1: conference champion in the NFC, four hundred and seventy six

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Speaker 1: passing years, four touchdown, just two picks QB rating about

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Speaker 1: Like, there was one point in this game where he

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Speaker 1: all right, Sam Donald is back to Sam donalding and

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Speaker 1: the Niners just could not capitalize. It was fucking excruciating.

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Speaker 1: We were just brutal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two quarterbacks. I was down coming into this season,

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald, therek Carr. We're zero for four right now

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Speaker 2: betting against these two guys in our contest, and they're both.

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Speaker 3: Putting up career numbers.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, if Derek Carr was to sending me and

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Speaker 2: Chad some because we were the reason we sparked this

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Speaker 2: outpour of averaging forty points per game, reach out to us,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to take some because I am I'm broke

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Speaker 2: jed trying to fake these two terrible quarterbacks. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold definitely had me eating some humble pie he

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm going to skip ahead since you

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Speaker 1: talked about Derek Carr, and I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: the Saints and the Cowboys. I hope that's okay with

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Speaker 1: producer Tito because it was a different order in the rundown.

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Speaker 1: But look, yeah, but look, we loved the Cowboys this week.

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Speaker 1: We so bought into the Cowboys. We so bought into

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Speaker 1: the idea of what Dak has been at home as

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Speaker 1: they had outscored opponents by two hundred and sixty five points.

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Speaker 1: They hadn't been down by eleven points in the first

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Speaker 1: not buying. Derek Carr only through sixteen passes in the

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Speaker 1: lightened teams up for forty points a game, even going

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Speaker 1: back to last season, like, what are we missing here?

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Speaker 1: What do we miss on the Cowboys? What are we

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Speaker 2: It's got a do qbiac right, he came in.

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Speaker 3: He's their new OC.

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Speaker 2: And you see a change right that that offense they

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Speaker 2: ran against the Cowboys, they basically had the Cowboys on

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Speaker 2: tilt the entire game. The Cowboys were never comfortable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think they drove got seven. Cowboys, drove the field,

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Speaker 2: they drove the field again and got it for seven.

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Speaker 2: And then Komara just took over from there like it

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Speaker 2: was a great just a great game all around from

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Speaker 2: the Saints. Like, there's really nothing to take away from

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Speaker 2: it other than maybe I'll downgrade Dallas a little bit, right.

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Speaker 2: I think we did see that they do have weaknesses

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Speaker 2: they don't have secondary guys to come in, right, And

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Speaker 2: you saw a little bit of the weakness on the

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Speaker 2: go into pass pro. There's definitely some weaknesses for their

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Speaker 2: past blocking. So yeah, interesting game again, Still not going

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Speaker 2: to overreact to it. Like the Saints, I'll move them up.

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Speaker 2: They are definitely a better team than I perceived they

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Speaker 2: would be coming this year, right, They clearly I found

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Speaker 2: something here at Derek Carr and we talk all the time, right,

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Speaker 2: Chad the hot hand, Like this could just be a streak, Right,

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Speaker 2: he could just be hot right now, He'll eventually cool

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Speaker 2: often go the other way.

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Speaker 3: But I don't. I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to step in front

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Speaker 2: of this next week, even if we have a good number,

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Speaker 2: which looking at the look ahead, I think the value.

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Speaker 3: Might be on the Saints team.

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Speaker 2: So It is interesting going out where it's like, when

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Speaker 2: do you eventually sell on the Saints team because they

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Speaker 2: are playing way above their head.

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Speaker 3: Right they're back to back forty point weeks.

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Speaker 2: That's not what the Saints offense is going to be

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Speaker 2: as good as qubac might be in this new system.

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Speaker 2: This is just incredible right now what they're doing. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was terrible read. Cowboys. Yeah, we talked about beforehand.

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Speaker 2: We knew another game. We knew was a heavy public play.

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Speaker 2: We just thought coming in the Cowboys were a little underrated.

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Speaker 2: Still apparently they're properly rated.

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Speaker 3: Chad.

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Speaker 1: We were right the first time. Is basically what we're saying.

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Speaker 1: The Saints had four hundred and thirty two total yards.

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Speaker 1: They averaged they averaged seven point seven yards per play,

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Speaker 1: two hundred yards rushing. Kamara had four touchdowns. It's almost

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Speaker 1: like Derek Carr and Alvin Kamara where the Derek Carr

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Speaker 1: and Alvin Kamara in the best seasons individually each one

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Speaker 1: had ever had before. They were just astonishing, and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys were outplayed in every area of the field. It's

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Speaker 1: so complicated with this Saints team. Right now. We thought

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Speaker 1: their offensive line was terrible and that Micah Parsons would

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Speaker 1: was more like the It was also the second game

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Speaker 1: series Derek carr unleashes the ball to Rashid Shahid for

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Speaker 1: a long touchdown. The number of explosive plays they had

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Speaker 1: against this Cowboys team, it was just wow. That was

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Speaker 1: a beatdown, a total beatdown. By the way, Sean Kerner

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Speaker 1: ten to zero on his props this week so far,

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Speaker 2: That's including his he had that under he gave out

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Speaker 2: and he gave out the vikings, So.

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Speaker 1: Sean Cerner couldn't be high all right now, you.

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Speaker 2: Go, yeah, props totals straight belts.

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Speaker 1: But here's what's even cooler. Here's what's even cooler. Nick

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Speaker 1: Giffen unconvinced me this morning gave out Saints Cowboys to

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Speaker 1: be the highest scoring game of the day according to

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Speaker 1: his luck rankings. I don't know if Evan can do

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Speaker 1: think of every game, but every game today seemed to

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Speaker 1: be pretty ugly. So right now that game is probably

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Speaker 1: what sixty three points or something like that. Right now,

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Speaker 1: that might be. And that was ten to one to

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Speaker 1: be the highest scoring game of the day Nick Giffen,

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Speaker 1: based on the luck rankings, getting it from Billy Ward,

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Speaker 1: the Action Network non analytics team of Simon and Chad.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 1: That is, by the way, easily the highest scoring game

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Speaker 1: of the day.

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Speaker 2: All right, I did, I did go to in one.

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Speaker 3: Convince me.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't care, but five ten people out

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Speaker 2: there might care.

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Speaker 1: I care. Listen, I care about all of it. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got to own our tough days. We got to

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Speaker 1: own our wins. You went to and want to convince

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Speaker 1: me that's impressive. I think uh Raybon actually had Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and he had his under on Tampa and uh Green

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Speaker 1: didn't hit on his h on his prop. All right, touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: I think you only had one touchdown and then brutal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was brutal box at Lions we're talking about. We

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Speaker 1: never fucking bet favorites, and we decided like we were

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Speaker 1: such fucking schmucks. It's ridiculous. Yeah, oh my god. The Lions,

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Speaker 1: they just they wanted to give this away. We gave

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Speaker 1: the Lions way too much credit for how they beat

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Speaker 1: the Rams, not enough credit to Baker in the Bucks

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Speaker 1: for the way they beat the Commanders. Like the Lions

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Speaker 1: I think were zero for five in the red zone

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Speaker 1: or something like that, including a penalty on the final

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Speaker 1: play of the first half, to keep them from attempting

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Speaker 1: a field goal. Like they're just out of sorts. They

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Speaker 1: were out of sorts against the Rams. We thought it

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Speaker 1: might have just been game planning by the Rams. Is

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Speaker 1: it worse than we think for this Lion's team.

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Speaker 2: I think we're not. We're kind of Glazinger who is

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Speaker 2: the blamer? And it's GoF right.

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Speaker 3: He played terrible.

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Speaker 2: He kept putting his team in terrible positions. Not just

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Speaker 2: his interceptions were terrible, but everything he was doing.

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Speaker 3: Even on third downs. His reads were bad.

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Speaker 2: He was always going, he was always falling back, thrown

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Speaker 2: off his back foot, even if there wasn't pressure in

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Speaker 2: going through his reads, not pushing the ball downfield. Like

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Speaker 2: we talked going into this game, this team is on

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Speaker 2: their fourth and fifth cornerbacks and they're all pro safeties

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Speaker 2: out Like, there was no for this team to put

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Speaker 2: up sixteen points here at home. And the worst part

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Speaker 2: of that game is the Bucks let them in it, right,

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Speaker 2: They kept kicking field goals instead of getting touchdown.

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Speaker 3: So this game was always close throughout.

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Speaker 2: So I kept doing the crummy math in my head, like, well,

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Speaker 2: me and chat just need this to break this way

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Speaker 2: and we can get to that number, when that number

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Speaker 2: was dead on arrival, like we were just never getting there.

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Speaker 3: The way Goff was playing that game, he was just awful.

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Speaker 2: Sono can overreact to it. I think once they get

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Speaker 2: it going, I still think their defense played pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I mean they shut down Mike Evans for the most part,

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Speaker 2: and I know Godwin beat them in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 2: but I think the Detroit would have taken the way

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Speaker 2: that game played out right. They really shut down the run.

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Speaker 2: Baker had a couple amazing plays where he ran outside

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Speaker 2: the pocket and you know, was throwing headfakes on guys,

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Speaker 2: Guy's going flying by him. Like that was a classic

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Speaker 2: great game by Baker where he knew he didn't have

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Speaker 2: all his pieces there and he still made it work

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Speaker 2: and was able to get the twenty points.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that to me was definitely a.

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Speaker 2: Golf lost that game rather than you know, that whole

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Speaker 2: Detroit team played bad. I thought defensively they played pretty well,

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Speaker 2: and even offensively, a lot of his guys were getting open. Again,

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Speaker 2: we have to go back and watch the all twenty two,

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Speaker 2: but just from what I watched, I just think Golf

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Speaker 2: was on that really let us down in this game.

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Speaker 2: Like they had a bunch of opportunities, he couldn't capitalize

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Speaker 2: on them, and like you just said before half, you know,

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Speaker 2: him getting that false start over the penalty was and

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Speaker 2: then getting kicked off the field and getting zero points

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Speaker 2: rather than getting three points for going in. It's just

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Speaker 2: like it's all falls on him at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day. So yeah, bad day to back these quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: of these big favorites.

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Speaker 1: That made a difference by the way that play, I

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Speaker 1: think it was thirteen six. You go in thirteen to nine,

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Speaker 1: it changes what you're doing in the second half, It

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Speaker 1: changes some of the play calling throughout the game. Aiden Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you know who we bet fourteen to

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Speaker 1: one to lead the league in sacks at four and

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Speaker 1: a half for five sacks today, like, but to me,

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Speaker 1: that was also just indicative of how good the Lions

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Speaker 1: can be, how they should have won this game. Baker

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Speaker 1: was scrambling for his life. He made a lot of

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Speaker 1: really great plays, but the Lions had this game. It

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Speaker 1: was Theirs for the taking, not just that like you,

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Speaker 1: I was doing the Gamblers math too. It was Theirs

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Speaker 1: for the taking to run away with it like they

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Speaker 1: should have just dominated in this game. Their play calling

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Speaker 1: was bad, golf was bad, Their defense gave up the

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Speaker 1: wrong plays at the wrong times. Bad penalties just so frustrating,

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Speaker 1: so frustrating to watch this game. Equally frustrating. Steelers of

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Speaker 1: Denver Denver plus two and a half Mike Tomlin mirror

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Speaker 1: records basically as a road dog, brilliant, as a road favorite,

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Speaker 1: terrible except rookie mistakes, so many penalties in this game.

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Speaker 1: Bonnicks just could not get the ball downfield, pick in

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Speaker 1: the end zone when they were driving. That was a

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Speaker 1: huge play. It turns out we loved Denver here love them,

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Speaker 1: didn't This was one of the games we did not waiver,

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Speaker 2: No, it's the same game we're talking a little bit

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Speaker 2: the Green Bay game where it's like I trusted the

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Speaker 2: number and the spot, the situation with the team, and Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you would have come to me and said, Pittsburgh's

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Speaker 2: only to score thirteen points, do you still want to

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Speaker 2: make this bet? I probably would still make a child.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Like, of course Denver. Denver's team

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Speaker 2: did their job, and you know, justin fields, he's playing

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Speaker 2: super smart conservative, which is exactly how Tomlin wants him

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: He basically told him, you can lose us this game.

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Speaker 2: We don't need you to win it, right. They have

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Speaker 2: the pieces around him to win the games for them.

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Speaker 2: That comes on the defensive side. So when they drove

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Speaker 2: you know what, Denver's defense will will figure this out.

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Speaker 3: We'll be our We'll stay in this.

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Speaker 2: We just need to get three points, even six points

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Speaker 2: at some point in this game, right, And then I

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Speaker 2: think it was midway through the third quarter, it's still

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Speaker 2: like seven to nothing or ten nothing, and it's just, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're never gonna get there like this kid will never

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Speaker 2: get us there, and you said it. He gets us

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Speaker 2: pick in the end zone, and it's just those are

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Speaker 2: brutal beat and your bet on these rookie quarterbacks. So

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Speaker 2: uh yeah, that's that's a tough loss, but it's a

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Speaker 2: spot we're usually gonna play. This Pittsburgh team, you know what,

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Speaker 2: they score eighteen their first game, thirteen their second game.

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Speaker 2: They're two and oh now going on to play against

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Speaker 2: a Chargers team that might not have Herbert who got

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Speaker 2: banged up in their games.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we're we're.

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Speaker 2: Definitely regretting betting they're under. I mean, we talked about

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Speaker 2: this Pittsburgh team. It's later in the year that their

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Speaker 2: schedule is gonna get really brutal. But this is Tomlin's

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Speaker 2: such a Tomlin identit team of just winning with a

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Speaker 2: really grinding out defense, with an offense that just does

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Speaker 3: So uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Another team that's gonna make us eat it right now

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Speaker 2: again they're two and oh going home to play against

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Speaker 2: the team without maybe Herbert. That's that's incredible. Think about

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Speaker 2: like they're leading their division right now, right and the

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Speaker 2: ow and two. I get a Pittsburgh fans, fill yourself.

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Speaker 2: I've been hearing from them my mentions all week and

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Speaker 2: you're right. I just I did not think this was

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Speaker 2: going to be a favorable spot for you guys offensively,

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Speaker 2: and you didn't need it. Your defense is that dominant.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, pretty incredible start to the season for.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Bengals zho and two, Ravens, oh and two, Brown's

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Speaker 1: NFL is so great. That's why Sundays are so excruciating,

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Speaker 1: like gut wrenching. I tried so hard to like find

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Speaker 1: right as the late the early games were ending, like

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Speaker 1: I didn't snap, I kept my composure. My wife came

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Speaker 1: our older kids' bedroom and like it's going to be noisy,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I looked at my calendar. I kept my composure.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I didn't snap. It was only once.

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Speaker 1: It was only once where she wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: me about something else, like I can't something else later

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Speaker 1: I just can't engage on this conversation right now. Can

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Speaker 1: we just do this another day? She to me, She goes,

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Speaker 1: I got it. I understand. Nothing helped nothing. I should

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Speaker 1: have snapped. I should have taken my computer thrown across

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Speaker 2: We got sixty more weeks, Chad, and we're just one

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Speaker 2: five and oh week away from me eight and seven,

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Speaker 2: So don't you worry. I'm not gonna say panicky yet,

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Speaker 2: but let me tell you this much, people, If me

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Speaker 2: and Chad don't go at least three and two next week,

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Speaker 2: I'm really fucking pissed off right now. I'm pissed off,

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, I think, Chad, you said best before

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Speaker 2: even we even did our picks. Not that I'm letting

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Speaker 2: the fans make our picks here, but there were some

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Speaker 2: ugly dogs I like this week and I simply didn't

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Speaker 2: even bring them up. And I even said to Chad,

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want these fans the mutiny

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Speaker 2: were happy and that Chad didn't say fuck the fans,

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Speaker 2: but as politely as Chad could put it, he said, dude,

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Speaker 2: who fucking cares with the fans? Make give me your

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Speaker 3: So I'm filled with regret on that.

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Speaker 2: And going forward, it won't be Carolina, it won't be

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Speaker 2: the Giants, but man, we're gonna be playing some fucking

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Speaker 2: ugly dogs. We're getting back to what made us so great.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no more, no more six and a half

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Speaker 2: seven point favorites. I can't believe that happened this week.

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Speaker 1: Well, look to speak to that. You loved the Raiders

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Speaker 1: this week. You talked about the Raiders winning this game outright,

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Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: You hated them.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's like, if you hated I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Bring up a team that looked like complete dog shit.

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Speaker 2: When you immediately like I hate it, I'm like, I agree.

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Speaker 2: They looked horrible against the Chargers. I had no rebuttal

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Speaker 2: to what you said, Antonio Pierce, that was one of

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Speaker 2: the worst coaching jobs. But you're right, like that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a line I loved. I still somehow let us

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Speaker 2: put a survivor and I'm out of all my survivor pools.

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00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: So I don't even know, do you still have to

435
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: do that fucking shit? I don't know if I haven't

436
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: left in me, dude, Like I've never been out two

437
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: weeks in a row.

438
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: Now we're spiraling. Now, we're just in a bad place.

439
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: We tried to keep it together for a good twenty

440
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: five minutes and we are just no.

441
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: That survivor hurt because I saw that coming a mile

442
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: the way and I still stepped right into it.

443
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I'm been a survivor where you got

444
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: to choose two teams at least twice between two and ten.

445
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: Between weeks two and weeks ten, I chose the Ravens

446
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. Right, I'm like, double.

447
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: Out, it's not out.

448
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: So we didn't do the Raiders, didn't even discuss it.

449
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: We like, we talked about the Browns a lot, and

450
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like I liked the Browns

451
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: more than you did, definitely, but we were both nervous

452
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence is. I don't think

453
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: he's very good. He's like like fourteen of thirty for

454
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: two hundred twenty yards and he is just missing players

455
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: making bad decisions. I continue to not see what people

456
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: are seeing that makes them believe this can be a

457
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: playoff caliber team.

458
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: No, you're right, and he was definitely my biggest miss

459
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: of since we've been doing the show of guys coming

460
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: out of college into the draft class. Right, I did

461
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: put him up there as a Camus prospect. Though this

462
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: kid will be a pro bowler, the leadest team to

463
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: the playoffs. He's going to be a staple for a

464
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: team for ten years. And you're right, he's not looked

465
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: that way in a year. So the one year he

466
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: was good to us, he got me and Chad the

467
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: big win ten to one in their division, and I

468
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: think that's why we have a little bit of a

469
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: sweet spot for him.

470
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: But you're complete correct.

471
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: I mean that game, he had opportunities and he did

472
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: not take advantage of it, and he was just terrible

473
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: for about three quarters.

474
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: So he had so many chances to win that game.

475
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: It was just astonishing how frustrating that was to watch.

476
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: He's now lost his last seven starts, including four games

477
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: as a favorite. So certainly we're going to be betting

478
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars next week, all right, So those are

479
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: the games that we left out good for us. By

480
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: the way, we didn't bet the Giants and Daniel Jones.

481
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: We stayed away from the Titans and Will Levis. We

482
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: obviously didn't do the Panthers. Like a lot of the

483
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: games where we could have been tempted, we weren't. We

484
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: just made bad decisions about the games that ultimately we

485
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: put in, which is unfortunate. One of the good decisions

486
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: which we were.

487
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: On the rams in either though, that was another thing

488
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: we talked about.

489
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, we talked about the Rams. We stayed

490
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: away from that, so you know what good for us?

491
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: Good for it came to basically, it came down to

492
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: like four or five games that were coin flips, and

493
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: we just made the wrong choices on four or five

494
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: four or five.

495
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: Back weeks of that though, like the games we left

496
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: out no doubters, and this week in the Patriots, we

497
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: talked about briefly because they were three and a half

498
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: and we left them out and it's like, of course

499
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: that came right down to that number.

500
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: Typical.

501
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: We did not take the bait on the Colts when

502
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Malik Willis was the starter. In fact, we liked the Packers.

503
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: The wise guys liked the Packers. This line moved from

504
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: three and a half to three, down to two. Closed

505
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: at three. Anthony Richardson came down to earth through ugly picks,

506
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: confused outmatch. But this was Matt Lafleur, like just a

507
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: brilliant game plan from the very beginning. He made Malik

508
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: Willis comfortable and had this Packers team dominating.

509
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like we both nailed it right.

510
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: We said we'd believe in little Floor getting somehow figuring

511
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: this out, and we said we didn't think Green Bay's

512
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: defense was as bad as they played in that Eagles game,

513
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: and that they would have ways to attack Anthony Richardson

514
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: and kind of make them one dimensional.

515
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: That's what happened in this game.

516
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Anthony never got any type of rhythm even

517
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: even heading to that fourth quarter. They finally were able

518
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: to drive the field and get a touchdown but it

519
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: just took them forever to kind of get that together

520
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: where Green Blay played just the exact game they wanted

521
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: to play, right. I think Molik only threw the ball

522
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: ten times maybe I remember at one point he was

523
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: aprin nine for like fifty yards and it's like, okay,

524
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: this is how Lafour is going to play this right,

525
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: just super conservative, Just feed Josh Jacobs to eat away

526
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: at that clock. And they did exactly what they want

527
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: to do that. That game couldn't have gone any more

528
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: perfect for that Green Bay team. You know, the two

529
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: and a half never in doubt, right, that was like

530
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: our one little conversation beforehand was well, obviously we wish

531
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: we had the three, the three and a half, which

532
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: most people in their contest were having, or if you're

533
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: going to bet it against the spread, but another nice spot,

534
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: we don't let it scare us off. We were just like,

535
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: you know what, this is still a good number even

536
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: if Anthony Richardson hit that hellmeor we were still good

537
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: with the cover. That's always a nice spot to be

538
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 2: And so yeah, desperately need one win today to avoid

539
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: are never We've never gone over five, which is not

540
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: that great of a claim to fame, but it is

541
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: for us. This is year six avoided it thanks to

542
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: the Green Bay team with her backup quarterback, and that

543
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: to me, that game sums up this show though, Right, Chad,

544
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of reasons why we shouldn't have

545
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: taken Green Bay, but we trusted the number, trusted the coaching.

546
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, there was never

547
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: a doubt between those two things.

548
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: Right. There was definitely a coaching advantage and the number

549
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: was just a great number to be on. So yeah,

550
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: thank god we got that win.

551
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Malik Willis thirteen of fourteen in the game. But to

552
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: give you an example of what kind of uh, what

553
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of passes? He was throwing eight yards per pass,

554
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty two total yards, Like he was

555
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: just throwing to the first guy. It was open within

556
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: four or five yards of the line of scrimmage. Had

557
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: a lot of great runs forty one yards rushing, but

558
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: this was Josh Jacobs, you know, one hundred and fifty

559
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: one yards rushing. The only the only bad thing was

560
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: fumbling as he went into the end zone. In years

561
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: past and in weeks past, that has burned us significantly.

562
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: When a team is up ten to nothing, about to score,

563
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: and it seems to happen like at least four or

564
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: five times a year. That happened last week with Travis

565
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: atn when we had the Jags at plus three and

566
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: a half, barely got out of that game with a win.

567
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: But it didn't burn us because Matt Lafleur is impervious

568
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: to those kind of mistakes. That's how good of a

569
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: coach he is. All right, So one and four not great,

570
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: not great, but different decision making. We could have been

571
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: two and three, we could have been three and two.

572
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: We got to work with each other. We got to

573
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: continue to communicate, We got to continue you know what

574
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: we got to do. We just got to tell each

575
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: other the truth. We just we just we have to

576
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: tell us each other exactly what we're thinking about, whatever

577
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: we're thinking. We can't try to be nice to each other.

578
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Just cold hard truths.

579
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Simon, you can't handle the truth, Well.

580
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: That's also true, but I can handle that, Sue, get

581
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: it right again.

582
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: It's just we've made we took positions made earlier reads

583
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: and I just said it. At the base of our

584
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: biggest issue right now is we're zero for four in

585
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: this contest against Sam Darnald and Derek Carr that we

586
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: can We can talk all day when we want about

587
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: all our different picks. That is our biggest issues right

588
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: now is we are being murdered by Sam Donald and

589
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: Derek Carr in the year twenty twenty four.

590
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, betting is the worst.

591
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: It's the best.

592
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: It's just the worst. But now I'm looking at these

593
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: lines next week, and with.

594
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Some good ones, there's there's nothing that jumps out to you.

595
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: What do you think easiest one right now is the

596
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: Saints are plus two and a half against the Eagles.

597
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: So I was looking at that, but I wanted to

598
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: see you know, that stinks.

599
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: People were coming on the especially if they wipe the

600
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: floor with this Atlanta team. So that's one, like Chad

601
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: was about to say, we could wait and see on that. Right,

602
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: maybe the Eagles do win big and we can get

603
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: a plus three, but there's something effishly about that Eagles

604
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: line in generally. I think you were on earlier this

605
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: week or you talked how you kind of liked Atlanta.

606
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna grab a two and a half just

607
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: in case the Eagles do somehow lose this game and

608
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: this number does drop down to a pick because right now,

609
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: the way the Saints are playing, I don't think the

610
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: Eagles are two and a half points better than them

611
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: right like that, That to me feels like a little

612
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: bit of a reaction where this Eagles team is good,

613
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: but they're not that completely formed team. They're just gonna

614
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: go on the road and roll this Saints team by

615
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: three points. I just I think that's an interesting early line.

616
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: Another one that jumped out to me. I don't know

617
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: how you feel about this one is the Titans their

618
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: minus two at home against Malik. I know That's what

619
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying, though, Like this is a gross spot you

620
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: kind of want to play where it's like everyone's out

621
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: in Tennessee.

622
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: No one's going to be on Tennisee in the spot.

623
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: That was just another one that jumped out to me,

624
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Chad Chad hates all right, let's find something that Chad

625
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 2: no no. I did.

626
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: I look. I saw. I looked at the Tennessee game,

627
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like.

628
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: What about Raiders minus seven against the fucking Panthers? Can

629
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: we can we listen to our fans who told us

630
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: just bet against the Panthers every week for a year

631
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: and see how it works out for us, which right now,

632
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: that guy's two.

633
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: And o this season.

634
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew with two and O.

635
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Who's I'm saying, people are whoever?

636
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Whoever?

637
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: I don't Caroline every week just bet the other side,

638
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: and uh, they're they're they're they're right.

639
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: They should be hosting this show.

640
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: What about Baltimore is a one point favorite in or

641
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: Dallas is a one point dog against Baltimore at home.

642
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: I got no clue to what.

643
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: To do with that line because a pardon me, wants

644
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: to take Lamar like, but I have no I have

645
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: no read on that one. I did see that line,

646
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: but it's I'm gonna i'm a classic thing. I'll turn

647
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 2: to Evan once that trend comes around that I fl

648
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: more flip to a dog.

649
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: I'll probably be on Lamar. Right, but people are going

650
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: to bet that Professional or.

651
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: Republic rams seven and a half underdogs at home against

652
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco.

653
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: Another line like, I'll take it, but.

654
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a game we want to bet for sure.

655
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Speaker 1: The wise guys are going to come in and move that.

656
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna take that hook right away.

657
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: I have a lot of really hooks like you can

658
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: get Vikings plus three and a half against the Texans,

659
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: and you can get Arizona plus three and a half

660
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: against Detroit. Like, those are also hooks. Where do you

661
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: think those hooks go down? You think destroy ends minus three?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: I think the Rams at seven plus seven.

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Speaker 2: Rams are seven and a half on bet three six five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think they're gonna

666
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Speaker 1: go to say I think it's gonna go okay minus seven.

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Speaker 3: They could, but.

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Speaker 2: They're fucking bad man, that Rams team. Like Cooper cup

669
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 2: our guy, he had a bad ankle in the second quarter.

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00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: He didn't play the rest of that game. I know

671
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: they were down by thirty points of that game. But

672
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: so you have no Puka, no Cooper, and you have

673
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: I think only one starter left on their offensive line.

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00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: The line does make sense, so I don't want to

675
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Speaker 2: get too ahead of it. I might not fire away

676
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Speaker 2: on that one yet because I can't see that one

677
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Speaker 2: going down.

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Speaker 3: It's just all bad, just real quick.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your early feeling about this before

680
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: the Bears even play Bears plus one and a half

681
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Speaker 2: at the Colts next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I looked at that.

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00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: You think they covered tonight that goes down to a pick. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a little on the Bears, even though

685
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: I have bet Houston. I do think Houston covers tonight.

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00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Colts deserve to be a

687
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: favorite over anybody right now. Now.

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Speaker 1: Their defense was not good, and their rush defense especially

689
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: was really bad. The problem is, like what we've seen

690
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: from Shane Steichen as a coach is more impressive than

691
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: what we've seen from that Ebra Fluse as a coach,

692
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Speaker 1: whereas laflor is a top five coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So like the game plan will be different. They'll be

694
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Speaker 1: at home. I think it'll be a little bit like

695
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Speaker 1: I like the way this is lined right now. I

696
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: might even take the Colts because I think if the

697
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: Bears get killed, which they probably will tonight, could go

698
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Speaker 1: a little bit higher.

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: We'll just keep it a little clean so people know

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00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: exactly what I'm grabbing. I'm grabbing Tennessee now minus two

701
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: against Green Bay. I'm in the Saints right now plus

702
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: two and a half against.

703
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: The Eagles, and I gotta do it, man. I got

704
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: to grab the Raiders minus seven against the Panthers. It's

705
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: just I can't get over how poorly coached.

706
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: This Panthers team is in every aspect, from the defensive

707
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: side to the offensive side.

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00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: It's all so bad. And at least this.

709
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: Raiders team, I feel like more and more we're seeing

710
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: exactly what their identity is, right Chad. It's like they

711
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: got this defensive line that they're not going to always

712
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: give you problems. When they need to, they can give

713
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: you major problems, and we saw that it pop up

714
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: a couple.

715
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: Of times in this game.

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00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: And offensively, I feel like they're gonna be a bullyball

717
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: this Panthers team. So the professionals, they might come in

718
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: on the other side, but I just I think they've

719
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: been burned.

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Speaker 3: So bad these last two weeks. I know I have

721
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: by this Panthers team.

722
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't touch this unless I got up to ten.

723
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: So I don't know what they're going to do with

724
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: this one. But that's that's how low I am on

725
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: this Panthers team right now.

726
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: Well, that didn't take long for us to go from

727
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: thinking they were potentially gonna win the NFC South to

728
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: now we are so low we won't even bet them

729
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 1: as massive underdogs again.

730
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: It's crazy where my model loves them like even after

731
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: that loss yesterday, I have this line at six in

732
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: what world? That's what I'm saying, though, my computer's a

733
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: fucking idiot, And what world would you give that current

734
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: number that Bryce Young? Like he just does not deserve it.

735
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: So I'm just this is more of a human thing

736
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: where it's like, I'm I know the numbers is gonna

737
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: say this is a team you want to back, and

738
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: the number has gotten too big, and obviously it's it's insane.

739
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: I think Minshew's a seven point favorite over anybody, but

740
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: this is who it would be, a team with no identity,

741
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: no backbone, and I mean they have to have one

742
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: of the worst defensive lines in all of football. I

743
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: mean they just cannot stop offenses from running the ball.

744
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: So this this plays right into this bully mentality of

745
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: the Traders team. And it's like I wanted to fade

746
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: them because it's a letdown spot after this huge road

747
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: win against the Ravens team. But this is the perfect

748
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: team to have come into town against this Panthers team.

749
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: So yeah. Also, I think the letdown happens more often

750
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: when you're a really good team that has had a

751
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: win like that. Then if you're a bad team where

752
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: expectations are low, and the one thing Antonio appears has

753
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: proven he can do is get his team up for

754
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: a game, right, Like forget about in game coaching, which

755
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: he did a very nice job against the Ravens and

756
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: out coach John Harbaugh. But I don't think he'll have

757
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: any problem getting his team ready and seeing how to

758
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: stay motivated against the Panthers team. Don't want to bet

759
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: the Raiders and minus seven, not yet, but I can

760
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: understand this not being a letdown spot for sure.

761
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: What number would that Titans number have to be for

762
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: you to come around eventually?

763
00:39:51,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Pick? Seriously? Like Will Levis is so so bad, so bad,

764
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Like they didn't win that they like they didn't cover

765
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: today and they had plenty of opportunities to Yeah, I

766
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: thought their defense actually played really well. So the question

767
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: is like can they do things defensively that the Colts

768
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: were not able to do? But I'm not ready to

769
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: to bet on Tennessee even we.

770
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: Have to find some oh and two teams you like though,

771
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: Like that's the big thing.

772
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totale, there's oh and two teams that you

773
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: just simply have to you have to back because historically

774
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: these are good. I mean, I don't all have the

775
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: trends for us, but I just know these are usually

776
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: spots we want to bet, just because again I'm looking

777
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: at this as what who what team is everyone completely

778
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: out on other than the Panthers, I mean Titans have

779
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: to be number two or three? I mean all better.

780
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Is like even pros I've talked to are so out

781
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: on this team. They thought this was a smash spot

782
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: against this Jets team in a short week, right, And

783
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: it looked that way. You just said, for three quarters

784
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: they were feeling pretty smart and then somehow they get

785
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: rolled and they lose by seven, which is just crazy.

786
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: So I get your hesitation.

787
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm trying to get get your mind ready

788
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: for just some this horrible, painful that this upcoming week.

789
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm more inclined to take the O and

790
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: two Colts at minus one and a half versus taking

791
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: the O and two Titans at minus two because I

792
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: think the coaching advantage is so much greater for the Colts,

793
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: the talent at quarterback is so much greater for the Colts.

794
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: We've seen them perform against a really good team. The

795
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Bears are not a really good team, so the idea

796
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: of getting the Colts at minus one and a half

797
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: that I was surprised that that was sort of a

798
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: game where you might be leaning towards the Bears a

799
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit because I know we have to bet an

800
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: o and two team, right I'd rather bet a very

801
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: short home favorite in the Colts than a short home

802
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: favorite in the Titans. With Will Levis, who you know

803
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: he will make. He's done it twice in the past

804
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: two weeks. He will make the mistake that is bone headed.

805
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: That is not the mistake you should make. That we'll

806
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: have catastrophic impact.

807
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: You're right, And.

808
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: Again you mentioned the Ravens. They're an zero and two

809
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: team that kind of fits that bill where we're talking about.

810
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: So you're right, there are better, better teams we can

811
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: take with the and two record. But I'm just trying

812
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: to find us what's the grossest ones right now and

813
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: that you know, I'm not going to force in the

814
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: Giants plus seven obviously, and I don't I don't think

815
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: we want to force in Denver plus seven in that spot.

816
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: They're they're on the road right now against this Bucks team.

817
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: So Kyrie Evans sat amazing. Evan Abrams stat Yeah, winless

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00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: teams in game three forty two, twenty three and one

819
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: against the spread, so sixty five percent in the last

820
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: decade first teams with at least one win. So there's

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00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of method to this madness. We'll find these,

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00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: oh for two teams we agree on. But kad, all

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00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: your points a by the Titans are very valid.

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