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Speaker 1: straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 1: You know the old pinball machines where you'd pulled back

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Who is Brian Laundry? How was he as

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Speaker 1: what did you say, day? Yeah, Well, I was doing

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Speaker 1: some work in the front yard, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: noticed that they got got a new UH camper for

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Speaker 1: the back of the pickup. And I didn't think anything unusual.

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Speaker 1: You know, they got a new camper, so they wanted

428
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Speaker 1: to put their own touch inside of it. I saw

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Speaker 1: them doing some work, and then when they prepared for

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Speaker 1: their trip, I saw them loading the camper. Now you're

431
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: talking about Brian and his parents after he returned home,

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00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: is that correct? In a different camper? Yes, the van

433
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: is this is his His father has a pickup truck

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00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: which they purchased a inbid camper like an attachment camper.

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Speaker 1: And take a listen to this one thirty eight. So

436
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Speaker 1: and then you say that they packed up that camper

437
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Brian and his mom and dad, and they went camping.

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00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Do you know that for sure? Uh? We we saw them.

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00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: I saw them loading it up. And so assume they

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00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: were preparing for a you know, a camping trip with

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Speaker 1: their new camper. They were going for the weekend. Yea.

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Speaker 1: So how long after it was long after he got back,

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Speaker 1: you know, alone in that white van. How long after

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00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: that was this when you saw them working on this

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00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: other camper and getting ready to go away together. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know the date? Yeah, we probably

447
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Speaker 1: probably week week and a half. Let's figure out what

448
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: we just heard to Sydney Glenn joining us, she's been

449
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: covering this for Fox thirteen. I'm very curious. Did he

450
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: leave in the camper with them and never come back?

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00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: So the neighbors did spot him there at the home

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00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: in Northport after September one, But then they all left

453
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: in the camper. What if anything do we know about

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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: that Sydney Glenn. I mean, it sounds really plausible. We

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00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: do know that he's obviously a big camper, that's his thing.

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00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: But then the question is why are his parents saying

457
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: that he went for this height? They have his car

458
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: over at the reserve. It's just, you know, you just

459
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: don't really know what his parents involvement are. And then

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00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: they get the lawyer of the second that he comes home.

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00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: He never talks to anyone yet they're not scared if

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00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: they're publicly in front of their house packing us a camper. Well,

463
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: I've got a little bit more information, let's analyze it.

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Speaker 1: According to a new report, neighbor says they saw Brian

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Speaker 1: Laundry September eleven leave the home with his family camper attached.

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Speaker 1: It happened before police got gabbies, then out of the driveway.

467
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: They don't know if Brian Laundry came back. They have

468
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: not seen Brian Laundry since then. We do know that

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00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: tip was sent to the FBI. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Wagy in you. I think that when they

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Speaker 1: went camping. I'm curious did the car happen to leave

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00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: at the same time when they headed out on this

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Speaker 1: family camping trip, and why why they take it out there?

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Speaker 1: You know, My supposition through this whole thing, Nancy, is

475
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: that this is a Rusee, this is a ruse to

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Speaker 1: put the police off the target of him. I don't

477
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: think he's in that swamp. I think he's out somewhere

478
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: else wandering around. I certainly don't think he's out in

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Speaker 1: that hostile environment attempting to survive. Okay, because I've also

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00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: heard that the police are using infrared flyover, So if

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00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: they're flying over that area, they're trying to pick up

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Speaker 1: on any heat signatures that are out there that might

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00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: bounce back to them to give them an indication. And

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00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: the infrared technology that they have now is so sensitive

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00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: you can delineate between what's a deer, for instance, or

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00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: a wild boar and certainly a human being. So they're

487
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: not picking up on that. So the big question is

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: where is he at this point? Did they put him

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Speaker 1: on a boat to go somewhere. Is he still in

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Speaker 1: the state of Florida. I live in Alabama, and Nancy.

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Speaker 1: They were saying that, you know, they thought that they

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Speaker 1: had seen him here in Ala, Bama. So where is he.

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Speaker 1: He's had sufficient enough time to put distance between himself

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Speaker 1: in that location down there. You know, many jump in

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Speaker 1: first of all, is that Sydney Glenn? Yeah? I was

496
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Speaker 1: just going to say, you know, there was that rumor

497
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is true enough. There's

498
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: that rumor that recently he went live on Instagram for

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Speaker 1: just a second and people claim he was on a boat.

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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people are wondering is

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00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: that true and is that what happened? You know what,

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00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to that Instagram But speaking

503
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: of the siding of him down and Uncle Lusa, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut one twenty nine. This is

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Speaker 1: Fox ten MA Bill. People online said this person captured

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Speaker 1: on a game camera in Okaloosa County on Monday looked

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00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: very similar to Laundry and strongly fit his description. The

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Speaker 1: Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office said that it is not him.

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00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: They confirmed that that he was not the one caught

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00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: on camera. Investigators saying they have positively identified the person

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00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: seen here and say it's an Okaloosa County resident. The

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00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: man who's not being identified, told deputies he was the

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00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: one walking on the deer trail early Monday morning carrying

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Speaker 1: his backpack. Chaff's deputies near Baker, Florida, searched the area

515
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: yesterday and didn't find any evidence that laundry was in

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Speaker 1: the area. Deputy searched on foot and deployed drones for

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Speaker 1: several hours. Investigators familiar with the person noticed the resemblance

518
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: to the photo. They contacted him and confirmed it was him,

519
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: not laundry. Investigators who worked on this in Okaloosa County

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00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: saying there's no indications that laundry is or was ever

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00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: in their area. Straight back out to our special guests

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: joining us Ben Dobran, who is a marine rescue expert

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00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: joining us at A Virginia. We also know that in

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Speaker 1: addition to ten divers, which I like you find to

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00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: be quite that's a big number of divers. Usually yeah,

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: maybe one or two, maybe three in the water, they've

527
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: got ten. But they're also using sonar. Explain Man. Sonar

528
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: can be used as a couple different models, and what

529
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: it does is it bounces sound waves off and it

530
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: gives a picture. It gives a visual picture of what's

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00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: on the bottom, and so you know you haven't to

532
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: have to have a little bit of depth. You're not

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna do it in three or four foot of water,

534
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: but you know up to five feet beyond you can

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Speaker 1: use it. There's whole mounted sonar that's you know in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. If you're familiar with the fish

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00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: finder on you know, recreational boat, it kind of the

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00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: same idea as a fish finder, but a little bit

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00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: you know better. And then there's tota raise. We have

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00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: things that look like torpedoes for deeper water, and when

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Speaker 1: we go off in the Atlantic or the chest Big

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00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Bay here, we'll do our toe to raise and we

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00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: can raise and lower that based on the depth, and

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00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: that'll throw out a much a better sonar picture. But

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00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're getting a picture of the bottom.

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00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: And we don't like you said, ten divers, they're gonna

547
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna wear themselves out. So if you have sonar,

548
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna die when you get a target. You're not

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00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: just gonna looking at the Google maps of that place.

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00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of water there. You can't just search

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00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: every piece of water. So if you have targets to

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00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: dive on that gives you something specific. I see something

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00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: in the water that looks interesting, I'm gonna put divers

554
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: to go after whatever that is that looks interesting. There

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00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: in the middle the thick of a nationwide manhunt for

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. Twitter users go wild after they believe Laundry

557
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: accidentally live streamed from insta Instagram while on the run.

558
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: It immediately went viral on Twitter, and it was apparently

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00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: just a few seconds, as Sydney Glynn pointed out of

560
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: laundry apparently on a boat. This was just days after

561
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: he quote went missing. This led to the search of

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00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: the nearby Culture Reserve for Laundry, but with no luck.

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00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: The account alleged went live and broadcast a couple of

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00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: seconds of what appeared to be a boat in the water,

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00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: and it led to all sorts of speculation. I'm looking

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00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: at it right now and I'm curious about whether it's

567
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: really from laundry. It shows the water, it shows the

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00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: edge of a skiff boat and allegedly from his account

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Speaker 1: joining me right now. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold

570
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl, why are they still at Carlton

571
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: reserve if they don't think he's there. And what do

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00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: you make about the parents with another attached camper And

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00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: this was on about September eleven. People saw laundry there.

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00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: They all get into it's a trout with an attached

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00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: camper and leave. I think first the tampon trip with

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00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: the parents is very curious to me because you've got

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00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: an adult son that he knows he's lived his fiance

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00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: somewhere and he decides to go camping with it just

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Speaker 1: his parents. I mean, I find that odd. At the

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00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: very least, I find it almost criminal if he's been

581
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: again helped and aided to escape and avoid, you know,

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00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: some type of detection by his family, Which is to me,

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00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: what did appearance has happened? If he was on live

584
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: on Instagram, that tells me he's got a phone, this

585
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: gout his asps down, I don't know that that was him.

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00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to focus too much on insta I'd

587
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: like to focus on whether or not he has been

588
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: seen since his parents came back from the camping trip

589
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: with a new attached camper, because he has not. Yeah,

590
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: because did you see this significance that was before cops

591
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: came and got Gabby's. Then, well, let me tell you

592
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: what else I noticed on his dad's read truck. There

593
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: is splashed sandy mud. Where did that come from? I

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00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: got a question for you, Cheryl McCollum. A lot has

595
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: been made, And before we get away, I want to

596
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: play some sound about what Sidney Glenn was telling us

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00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: earlier regarding the fight in Wyoming. You know what, Let's

598
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: just start with one thirty five real quick. Oh my god. Okay,

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00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: So I'm going to try to go like more in

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00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: k detail now. I just wanted to get like the

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00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: general just like the gist of it out there, like

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00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry, this is so weird. I just I

603
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: went to the bathroom. They were sitting right next to us,

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00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: like right next to us, and we were both sitting

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00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: right by the host of stand right by the front door.

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00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: I went into the bathroom, I came back, and they

607
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: were like abruptly leaving, like something happened. At first, my

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00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: first thought was like they were displeased with the service

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00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: and they were walking out or they were trying to

610
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: get out of paying their bill. But it was kind

611
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: of like a scene and I was like zoned in

612
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: for some reason, and Matt was like on his phone

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00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, like, put your phone down, like

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00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: something is like going on, you guys. It was like

615
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: a scene like and something that doesn't happen every day

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: at a restaurant, the way the way he was acting.

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Speaker 1: She was crying, she was upset. This had to be

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00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: right before she died. And let's hear the rest. I

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Speaker 1: cut one thirty six. This is TikTok user Nina Sally.

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Speaker 1: So she walks out, she's upset, she's crying, and he's

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00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: like more angry, like you could tell like she's it's

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00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: more sadness for her, and she's crying for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I don't know reason. I don't know if she was

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00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: embarrassed or what. Because I don't know I put it here.

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00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on. I could just

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00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: see what was unfolding. And so she's standing on a sidewalk.

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00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: I could see her good front door, and she's standing

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk crying, and he walks out with her,

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Speaker 1: but then like right away, turns around, walks right back in,

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00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: and he's you know, kind of like violently like talking

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00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: to the hostess, and you could tell he's angry and

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00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: and she they're just kind of like doing the whole

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00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: like like sorry, like we don't know what to tell

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00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: you kind of thing. You could tell he was relentless.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't drop it. Whatever it was, he wouldn't drop it.

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Speaker 1: He walked out, he walked back in the restaurant probably

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Speaker 1: four more times, just to kind of make a scene

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Speaker 1: and just to get his point across, which, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I really don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened, but she just apologized. I think she was

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Speaker 1: telling him like, come on, like just drop it, let's go,

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Speaker 1: and she like looked at the hostess and she was

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Speaker 1: just like, I'm sorry, and that was it. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Sydney Glenn covering this from the gig for Fox thirteen, Sydney,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of Nina Seely's account. It's not

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Speaker 1: surprising to me when you look into all of the

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Speaker 1: accounts coming from friends, that he's volatile, that he's mean,

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Speaker 1: that there's ups and downs, that he's controlling. And I

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Speaker 1: saw one report even that you know, he wouldn't let

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Speaker 1: anyone drive her, really, he had to drive her. This

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Speaker 1: controlling mis fighting when they're not afraid to fight in public.

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Speaker 1: There was another article that came out back to just

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Speaker 1: from one of the Archer's National Parks personnel who said

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Speaker 1: she actually warned Gabby and said, is this really a

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Speaker 1: relationship you want to be it? Are you sure this

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Speaker 1: is a relationship you feel comfortable with? Because that just

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Speaker 1: shows how often they're having these type of explosive fight.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what the fight was about at the restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Do we know what it was about Sydney. We don't

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Speaker 1: know what that particular fight is about, but it sounds

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Speaker 1: like he's fighting with her about everything. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: many of these type of instances have we heard about?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you'll act like that in public at

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Speaker 1: a restaurant, what would you do behind closed doors? Way

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Speaker 1: is Sharon McCollum. It is volatile Thanky, And again I

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Speaker 1: cannot agree with you more. He's doing these things in

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Speaker 1: broad daylight, in public, in front of witnesses, and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't care. He wasn't trying to hide the fact that

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Speaker 1: he was, you know, being aggressive with the wait staff.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to hide the fact, in broad daylight,

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Speaker 1: in public, on freaking Main Street, that he is clapping

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Speaker 1: Gabby repeatedly. He has gotten to the level of violence

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Speaker 1: that he can no longer hide it. What are your

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Speaker 1: other insights before we signed off, Cheryl, I think the

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Speaker 1: fact that law enforcement is zeroming in on an area,

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Speaker 1: it may not be that they necessarily think he's there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they think there's evidence there that has been ditched.

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Speaker 1: As his search, a culture reserve goes on, ten divers

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Speaker 1: risking their lives to find Brian Laundry. We wait to

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Speaker 1: hear the cause of death for Gabby Petito. We know

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Speaker 1: the manner was homicide. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off

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Speaker 1: Good Life