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I took some notes from the 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: game tonight, you know, talked about how Dwight had a 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: really good game against the Clippers last week, but he 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: was struggling this week. And I talked about you know, 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: Monk and Reeves and their chemistry and had all these 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: notes and I decided that they don't deserve it. They don't. 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: They don't deserve for me to dive into the weeds, 40 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: the basketball weeds of this team. When this team doesn't 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: care enough about their own fate and their own situation 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: to fight, and when they fight, when they do, they 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: go on Saturday against Golden State, they put up a fight. 44 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into the nitty gritty of the basketball, 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: but the basketball is are relevant if this team is 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: not gonna play hard. The basketball is are relevant if 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: this team is gonna fight to get back within three 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and then completely roll over in the third quarter, which 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: represents two entirely differ aren't personas and that mix doesn't 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: make any sense. You know, it's funny. I have this 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: longstanding theory with the way that I value at basketball teams. 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I look at their defensive rating not just because of 53 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: a indicator of defense, but I look at defensive rating 54 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: as a general indicator of effort and more often, like 55 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: the Lakers, who were the number one defense in the 56 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: league last year and the number three defense in the 57 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: league the year they won the title, they would have 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: nights where the defense didn't look good. They would have 59 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: nights where their effort was poor, but they were the exception, 60 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: and more often than not, they were engaged and they cared, 61 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: and they were extremely difficult to score on. And it 62 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: manifested in those numbers. This team is the exact opposite 63 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: of that that run you saw at the end of 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: the second quarter. That's the exception. That's not who this 65 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: team is. That's when this team gets out of character. 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: The character of this team is what you saw in 67 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: the third quarter. The character of this team is knowing well, 68 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: having a firm understanding of what works for them and 69 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: still not doing it because it's hard and for whatever reason, 70 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: they don't want to. And it's funny because I was 71 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: thinking about this earlier today when DeAndre Jordans got signed 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: by the Philadelphia seventy sixers. When DeAndre Jordan's was signed 73 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: by the Lakers, I kind of liked the signing. Not 74 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: not because I wanted him to start. That was way 75 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: way way different than what I saw from that signing. 76 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: But my ideology was, this Laker team has the best 77 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: defensive culture in the league. This Laker team cares and 78 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: and and DJ was playing on a Nets team that 79 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: did not care on the defensive end, and so what 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: my thought was is you're gonna play Dwight and you're 81 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: gonna play a D. And maybe when DJ has to 82 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: play because of injuries or whatever, the load management or 83 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, he'll get swept up in that 84 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: defensive culture and he'll look a little bit more like 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: the old DJ than he did when he was in Brooklyn. 86 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: And that was completely wrong, because the Lakers defensive culture 87 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: utterly disappeared in the last six months. And I think 88 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: it's a couple of different things. Some of it's frank, 89 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to that in just a second. 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: A lot of it is the fact that we as 91 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: fans massively underestimated how important Alex Crusoe was, how important 92 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Contavious called Well Pope was, how important Danny Green was, 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: how important even Dennis Schroeder was toe Lakers holding down 94 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: that team when Lebron and Anthony Davis went down. They 95 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: were a huge part of what made this team what 96 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: they were in their identity on the defensive end of 97 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: the floor and just in general with their effort, and 98 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: we none of us gave them enough credit in that 99 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: season when they won the title, it was all about 100 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: Lebron and a D And I'm not I'm not shirking 101 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: any of that blame because it was me too, and 102 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: we massively underestimated how much those guys and their willingness 103 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: to fight on a possession by possession basis made that 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: team work, and that was evidenced by the fact that 105 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: the following season, with Lebron and a D both went down, 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: they were still the best defense in the league without 107 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: those guys, and for whatever reason, the people in that room, 108 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna give them too much of a 109 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: hard time about it, because we made the same mistake 110 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: as fans. We massively, massively underestimated how important that was. 111 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: And it's disappointing because I think that's the guy that 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: has to be the entire goal this offseason is trying 113 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: to figure out how to recreate that culture because it's 114 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: not gonna be Lebron in a D. Lebron and a 115 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: D are both having massive issues staying available. Lebron is 116 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: literally playing through a knee injury right now. Anthony Davis 117 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, can't stay on the court, and even 118 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: when they were on the court this season, they weren't 119 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: fueling that. So you can't depend on them, and you 120 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: can't just count on a coach coming in to do 121 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: it because Frank Vogel preaches defense every waking second of 122 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: every minute he's in that building, and even that didn't work. 123 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: So you have to find a way to recreate that 124 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: identity this offseason by finding guys that naturally at their 125 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: core their DNA as basketball players, want to do that stuff. 126 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: That has to be the goal. Not offensive players, not 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: guys who can shoot next to Lebron. No, it needs 128 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: to be guys who are willing to set the tone 129 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: in all of the effort and energy areas of the game. 130 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: For those of you who are just joining us, this 131 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: is Lakers Tonight, presented by Fandel here on the volume. 132 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: I was just talking about how frustrated I am with 133 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: the guys around Lebron and a d this season and 134 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: how poor their effort and focus has been relative to 135 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: what the previous guys were. I wanted to talk about 136 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel and Tyler for a second because they represent 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: a super interesting dynamic that took place with the Lakers 138 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: over the course of the last couple of years. In 139 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: many ways, the Tylu situation was the original sin of 140 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: this Lakers era, the first indicator of where things were 141 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: going off the Rails. I liked Tyler in Cleveland. I 142 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: watched every game he coached there, at least before Lebron left. 143 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: And you know, in two thousands sixteen, I thought he 144 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: did an excellent job. I didn't agree with everything he did. 145 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: In two thousand and seventeen, I thought he was preaching 146 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: transition too much. I think it was part of why 147 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: their defense fell apart. But that's normal for a new 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: coach to to to try to inflict his philosophy on 149 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: somebody before on a team, before really taking the time 150 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: to realize what works best for that team. But Tyler 151 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: in the years since then has become one of the 152 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: best coaches in the league. And the job that he's 153 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: done with the Clippers is one of the best jobs 154 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: that we've seen a coach do in this league. And 155 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a credit to Tyler for adapting. That 156 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: is the job. The job of a coach in basketball 157 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: is to adapt. The reason why is you are a 158 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: constant and everything around you is not. Your personnel changes 159 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: on a year by year basis. Your personnel changes on 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: a game by game basis because of injuries and COVID 161 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: and load management and in trades and any any of 162 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: the number of things that can happen in a regular season. 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: It's a constantly shifting dynamic. Then there's the league. It 164 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: has to do with the way that the league is playing, 165 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: the way the best teams in the league are playing, 166 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: the strategies that they're using, has to do with matchups 167 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: in a postseason series. That was a huge deal for 168 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: Mike Budenholzer before he won a championship was his stubbornness 169 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: and his unwillingness to adapt, and that has turned into 170 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: Tyler strength because the way Tyler coaches this Clippers team 171 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: is way ahead of the curve. He is on top 172 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: of the things that work best in this era. And 173 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: he could have been had by the Lakers he wanted 174 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: to sign. There there's famous photo was going on uh 175 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: social media earlier today of Tyler having a Laker's birthday cake. 176 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is is that was on 177 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: the table and could have been had. But Tyler wanted 178 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: to be paid as a championship coach. Why why why 179 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: do you guys think Tyler wanted to be paid as 180 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: a championship coach? Oh, it's because he won a championship. 181 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: But then the Lakers offered him standard NBA coach money 182 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and standard NBA coach length of the deal, and Tyler 183 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: was insulted, and he walked away, as he should have, 184 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: because that was insulting, and so they went with the 185 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: discount coach. And I don't want to be super hard 186 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: on Frank here because the reality is with Frank, because 187 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: he did a really good job in that season. But 188 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: it was a perfect storm of events that went right 189 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: for him. It was an archaic style of roster. For 190 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: sixty of the minutes in the regular season, they played 191 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: a d at the four. They were playing traditional centers. 192 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: They were not playing five out bass ketball. They were 193 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: playing traditional you know, uh, the four out one in 194 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: offensive basketball. On the defensive end of the floor, they 195 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: were screening, playing screening roll coverages that were very traditional, 196 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: chasing and and and funneling guys into your size underneath 197 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: the basket. But as the league has evolved, as guards 198 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: have gotten extremely good at shooting off the dribble at 199 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: any spot on the floor, drop coverages have become less effective. 200 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: As NBA teams have gone smaller and played more guards 201 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: and more wings, and and gone positionless and gone in 202 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: many cases no bigs. All of a sudden when you 203 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: got a Dwight Howard on the floor, you can run 204 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: them off the floor because your overall foot speed is 205 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: too high. And in that season there was a perfect storm. 206 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: The league wasn't quite ready to get out of that 207 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: era in the sense that the Lakers were too much 208 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: to handle, and the roster was perfectly catered to what 209 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: to what Frank Vogel did, and so we had that 210 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: moment and it went well for him. Ever since then, 211 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: it's been a complete disaster. The Lakers had spacing issues 212 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: all year last year, as they played a D at 213 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: the four for only for only uh if they played 214 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: a D at the five for only ten percent of 215 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: the minute, so nine out of ten possessions a D 216 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: was at the four alongside another big and it didn't work. 217 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: Got into the postseason, their offense was really struggling, and 218 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: the spacing was horrible and ended up being one of 219 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: the many things that crippled the Lakers towards the end 220 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: of the season. And then this season. We don't have 221 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: to get into the weeds, but it's been an absolute 222 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: disaster on almost every front. Because Frank Vogel was a 223 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: vintage coach from a bygone era, and the style of 224 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: basketball that he wants to play doesn't work anymore. It 225 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: might not work even if the Lakers were a hundred 226 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: percent healthy. It might not work even if the Lakers 227 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: were playing today. It's possible that that style might not 228 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: function anymore. Tyler. Meanwhile, look at what he's done with 229 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: the Clippers. He doesn't even he doesn't even want to 230 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: play a traditional center. He just does it now because 231 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: of what their roster forces them to do. But he 232 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: plays four guys that can guard multiple positions, that can 233 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: move their feet on the perimeter. It's all drible drive attack. 234 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: He's got an advanced zone. He's got like a matchup 235 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: zone that he used a lot on the Lakers tonight. 236 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: That's a that's a wrinkle that you didn't see a 237 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: ton in the NBA in recent years. But a lot 238 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: of the really good coaches around the league are starting 239 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: to do now. A lot of the really good coaches 240 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: around the league are starting to experiment a little bit. 241 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: It's not just here's my drop coverage, here's my five 242 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: on five defense. It's here's this nifty zone. Here's a 243 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: lot of aggressive trapping, here's a boxing one. You're seeing 244 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of nifty crazy stuff from the the forward 245 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: thinking coaches in the league. So Tyler could have been 246 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: had if Jennie was willing to spend, but Genie wanted 247 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: to be cheap, and instead she got Frank Vogel. Frank 248 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: Vogel did really well when the circumstances were perfect for him, 249 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: and since then the circumstances haven't been and it's been 250 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: a disaster. So in many ways, the Taylu situation was 251 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: the original sin of this era. It was the first 252 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: mistake in a long line of mistakes that came from 253 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: the top that led to the disintegration of one of 254 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the best pairings in NBA history. That's how much of 255 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: a catastrophe this has been. But the longest short of 256 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: it is is that he's got to go right now. 257 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: What are you gaining by keeping him around? You know, 258 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: my friend Pete Zais from Laker Film Room said this 259 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: the other day on his podcast, and I thought it 260 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: was really really important in this circumstance. He said, you 261 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: can't grow anything in poison soil, And what he was 262 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: talking about is that the Lakers are doing irreparable damage 263 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: right now by not audible ng from this think about it. 264 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: Months ago, we knew the Lakers were like this. Months ago, 265 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: we knew this was a disaster. And for months we 266 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: talked about how they needed to make personnel moves, We 267 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: talked about how they had to shake up the roster, 268 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: we talked about how they had to make a coaching change. 269 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: But instead they made no changes to the roster at 270 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: the trade deadline, and then they're big shake up buy out. 271 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: Signing was a tiny thirty four year old guard, as 272 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: if that was going to solve their problems, and a 273 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: really interesting athletic forward that Frank Vogel has no interest 274 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: in playing for whatever reason. So Frank is still here, 275 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: and all the guys that are the culprits of this 276 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: disaster are still here, and because they're still playing this way, 277 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: they're doing irreparable damage, not just to the culture of 278 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: this team, but to their reputation around the league. Let's 279 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: say this summer comes around and Rob Polinka calls you 280 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: and your player in the market for a vetter and 281 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: minimum to a mid level exception. And Rob Bolink goes, hey, buddy, 282 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: you should come and play with the Lakers. You can 283 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: play alongside Lebron James and Anthony Davis. Do you not 284 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: think they're gonna think about nights like tonight. Do you 285 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: not think they're gonna think about this disaster. You don't 286 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: think that's going to influence their decision making. After the 287 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: Lakers won the title, they had access to a great 288 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: deal of discounted talent. Mantras Harrold was expected to make 289 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: more in the open market. He chose the Lakers. Marcusol 290 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: could have made more in the open market. He chose 291 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: the Lakers. They were able to get these good players 292 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: because the culture of the team was attractive. Two people 293 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: out there, and then last year you could throw it 294 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: all away to injuries, and they still competed. They still 295 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: like good culture, so they were able to get who 296 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: they wanted. They just picked the wrong guys. But that's 297 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: the that's gonna be one of the big roadblocks this summer. 298 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Now Lebron's older, the attractiveness of playing alongside him is 299 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: not the same. Anthony Davis is injury prone, the attractiveness 300 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: of playing alongside him is not the same. And the 301 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: front office and ownership group is literally as incompetent as 302 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: you'll find in the league. That's not attractive to people 303 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: who would consider signing with the Lakers. So that's why 304 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: it's so important to do something to blow this up. Now, 305 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: fire Frank Vogel, get a look at Phil Handy, see 306 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: if he can coach in the NBA. Start your process. Now, 307 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: moving on to Lebron, this is in the same vein. 308 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: He's out here chasing Kareem and again. And I said 309 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: this on the pod the other day. I don't want 310 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: to hear any sort of referendum on Lebron's career because 311 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: he's stat patting in a losing effort. This dude has 312 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: one more basketball games and one more NBA championships than 313 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: any franchise in the NBA since he came into the 314 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: league in two thousand three. So you're full of ship 315 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: if you want to go down that route. But it's 316 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: not pretty and I don't like it. I don't like 317 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: the way it risks his body as he's playing through 318 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: an injury. And I don't like the way it poisons 319 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: the soil. I don't like the way that it continues 320 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: to lend itself to this negative culture of poor effort 321 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: and the wrong priorities. I understand it's a difficult conversation 322 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: to have with Lebron because he's going after Kareem. But 323 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: something somebody's got to say something as like at a 324 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: certain point like mellow Lebron, Dwight Howard, Can Bays Moore, 325 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: Avery Bradley, Trevor Reesa. All these guys need to stop 326 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: playing and they need to lean as much as they 327 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: can on the youth, so at least the product on 328 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: the floor for the rest of the season plays hard. 329 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: Think about this guy's If the Lakers fall out of 330 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: the plane, they lose their first round pick this summer, 331 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: So oh, there's legitimate steaks. Even if even if you 332 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: throw away the postseason and just think about it as 333 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: getting to the ten seed, there's steaks. And they still 334 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care. They are actively sabotaging this 335 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: environment by not caring. And that goes from the top down. 336 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: That goes from Genie with everything she's done. That goes 337 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: with Rob with not making any changes to this roster 338 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: and just saying, here, you guys, fend for yourselves. It 339 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: goes with Frank Vogel and his incredible stubbornness. It goes 340 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: with Lebron in his unwillingness to fight through circumstances like this, 341 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: and it goes down the roster with the guys not 342 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: willing to do the job. And so if there's gonna 343 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: be something to salvage here down the stretch, it has 344 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: to be done in the in the way of effort. 345 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: And the easiest way to do that get rid of 346 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel. Get a young coach in there, like a 347 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: new coach like Phil Handy in there to try he'll 348 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: bring some enthusiasm at least it's his first coaching gig, 349 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: and give the younger players a chance to play, because 350 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: at least they'll go out there for the Lakers faithful 351 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: and play hard. One of my co workers here at 352 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: the volume, Draymond Green, did a whole bit the other 353 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: day about the Laker fans booing Lebron and the Lakers, 354 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: and for the record, there's a part of his point 355 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: that I agree with, the idea that the Lakers are 356 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: the most successful franchise in NBA history. The idea that 357 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: for the previous two seasons, not only did the Lakers 358 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: bring you a championship, but they brought you a great 359 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: deal of effort and respect for the game. So there 360 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: is a certain amount of respect that has to be 361 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: paid towards them for what they've accomplished in this era. However, 362 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday Night, when the season was very much salvageable, 363 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: where Lebron and where Lebron and Russ had they tried, 364 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: could have won the game, they came out and mailed 365 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: it in. And mailing it in is probably underselling just 366 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: how poor their effort was. And one of the things 367 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: I pointed out on the show was as a fan, 368 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: when you've worked your tail off all week, and in 369 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: the back of your head when you're at dealing with 370 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: the grind of work and you're thinking about your favorite 371 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: team and the big game they have tonight and how 372 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: important it is, and how much you hope they come through. 373 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: And they go out and they don't try, how do 374 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: you not boo and so in defensive Laker fans, I 375 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: totally understand where they're coming from. It's despicable what you're 376 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: seeing over the course of the last couple of weeks. 377 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: It's a disgrace to the game of basketball. The Lakers 378 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: are worse than the Clippers, that's true. It's a tough 379 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: match up for them in a lot of ways. That's true. 380 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: The Lakers don't have the personnel to hang with some 381 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league. That's true. They're 382 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: not thirty points worse than the Clippers. They're not thirty 383 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: points worse than them. That that that's a team that 384 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: doesn't care and something has to be done to change 385 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: things up or it's gonna be one of a complete 386 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: disaster over the next month and a half and this 387 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: team is going to have This team is gonna have 388 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to build on going into the next season. 389 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: I can't talk. I can't talk anymore Lakers tonight. Let's 390 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: let's move on. So I wanted to touch on on 391 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: two other games tonight. I wanted to touch on Grizzly 392 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Celtics and on the Heat Nets. This is like a 393 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: sniper presented by vandel here on the volume. So the 394 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Grizzlies are a team that I have frequently talked about 395 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: as a as a you know, long shot contender, not 396 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: even really a long shot. I call him a dark 397 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: horse third team that I think has the necessary pieces 398 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: to win a championship because they have a great deal 399 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: of size and athleticism. They have interior size and strength, 400 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: They've got shooting, and they've got an all world superstar 401 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: that nobody can guard. And I talked a lot about 402 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: how the biggest thing that excites me about that team 403 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: as a playoff threat is the fact that John Moran 404 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: presents a two thousand six Dwayne Wade esque free throw conundrum. 405 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: He comes flying into the lane and he elevates and 406 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: nobody can stay in front of him. So as a result, 407 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: people foul and when they found you know, he could 408 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: shoot twenty three throws in a playoff game and it 409 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: could swing a big playoff game. But this was an 410 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: interesting test because the Celtics are the best defense in 411 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: the league. They have some very specific things that they 412 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: bring to the table in terms of their scheme that 413 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: shut down a lot of what Memphis does. Switching defenses 414 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: forced you to create in isolation, and so I was 415 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: really curious to see how they fared tonight. Now, to 416 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: be clear, John Moran the little context here. John Morand's 417 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: only shooting from three in his last twenty three games, 418 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: so he's going through a massive shooting slum when he's 419 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: actually been a pretty good shooter over the course of 420 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: the previous calendar year. So that's a weird context there. 421 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that in a second, shooting slumps 422 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: can be weird and they can really get in players heads, 423 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: especially young players heads. But as a result, you were 424 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: gonna have to have other guys that can create their shots. 425 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: And what was interesting, and this is the biggest flaw 426 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: in this roster, and it's the main reason why they're 427 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: not a top tier contender. They're clearly in that second 428 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: tier when you need more than one guy that can 429 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: create their own shot against the set elite defense. John 430 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: Moran is gonna be just fine. I'm not worried about him. 431 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to him in a second. Desmond Bayane, 432 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: who's their backcourt partner there for jaw, he is a 433 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: a really good shooter and he's a really good slasher, 434 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: meaning if he's attacking a close out so someone chases 435 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: him off the line, he can rip through and he 436 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: can get to the room and he can finish. He's 437 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: big and strong and athletic. What Desmond Bane is not 438 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: is a score. And so one of the things you 439 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: saw tonight before garbage time, he made I think four 440 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: shots and garbage time tonight. But you saw Desmond Bane 441 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: really struggle tonight because in the Clippers switching scheme, you 442 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: needed him to be able to create his own shot, 443 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: and that's not a strength of his Jaren Jackson Jr. 444 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: Who I think I've always called him like a D LIGHTD. 445 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: He's a very similar to a D as a defensive 446 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: player in terms of his versatility, but on the offensive end, 447 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: he's actually a much better shooter than Anthony Davis is. 448 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: But he can be such a bull in a china 449 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: shop going to the basket. He's very much a tunnel vision. 450 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm putting my head down, I'm going through your chest, 451 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the basket. And that thing 452 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't work against the best defenses unless you're an 453 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: all world athlete. We're talking to Lebron's the jannice Is 454 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: of the world, and Jared Jackson Jr. Is very much 455 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: not that. So again, in a setting like this, he's 456 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: less valuable because in a packed paint setting, in a 457 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: switching defense setting where you need him to isolate, it's 458 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: just not as good of an option. And so it 459 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: came down to jaw and Jos started the game one 460 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: for eight from three again, because what all these teams 461 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: are gonna do, especially when they get to the postseason, 462 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: is play way off of him and force him to 463 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: make shots. Is he ready to do that right now? No? 464 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't think so, but I think he will be. 465 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: My boss. Colin Cowhard had did a whole a bit 466 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: the other day talking about John Murray and comparing him 467 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: to Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook and too John Wall, 468 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: and for the record, I totally see what he's getting at, 469 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of truth to it that we 470 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: have absolutely seen the super athletic point guard that's not 471 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: a great shooter come through the league several times. And 472 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: he's also right that there there is no success story 473 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: on that front. All of them have flailed flamed out 474 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: for various reasons. The biggest difference, though, I think, is 475 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: all of those players had a fatal flaw. Okay, John 476 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: Wall could not shoot, Derrick Rose could not shoot, Russell 477 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: Westbrook complete spas John Murray. It isn't a great shooter yet, 478 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: But if you look at his form, and if you 479 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: look at how well he shoots at the free throw line, 480 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: and you look at the stretches where he shoots, well, 481 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: he's going to be a good shooter. And he has 482 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: all of the other boxes checked. He's a freak athlete 483 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: that can get by anybody off the dribble, he can 484 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: finish at the rim, but he has a floater package. 485 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: John Russell Westbrook has been in the league for over 486 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: a decade, has never added a floater package to his game. 487 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: It's been a massive thing that has held him back. 488 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: John Morant has that stuff. He has the midrange game, 489 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: he has the floater stuff. He's got a great feel 490 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: for the game as a passer, which will only improve 491 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: as he gets older. His form on his jump shot 492 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: looks great. If you looked at Derrick Rose when he 493 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: was young, it was broke. If you look at John 494 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: Wall when it was young. When he was young, it 495 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: was broke. John Wall still to this day shoots like 496 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: a set shot, like he's Jason Kidd. So like John 497 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: Morant has a much much more you know, he has. 498 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: He has a foundation on his shot that's going to 499 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: work really well. So is it possible that he ends 500 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: up being the new one of those guys. Yeah, but 501 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's super likely because I think he's 502 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: clearly better than all of them, and so that will 503 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: be the the The bell Weather moving forward is if 504 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: jaw can add that shooting, which I believe he will. 505 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: He instantly becomes a way better player than any of 506 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: those guys ever were, and in a playoff setting that 507 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: that that will be the big indicator for him this year. 508 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: If they do end up going on a run, making 509 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: it to the Western Conference Finals, winning a championship, it'll 510 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: be because John makes shots. But yeah, if Jaw goes 511 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: one for eight, you know every other night in the postseason, 512 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: they might lose in the first round. That's how vulnerable 513 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: they are in a postseason setting because they don't have 514 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: that second shot creator. But again, this was I told 515 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: you guys earlier in the season. The Grizzlies were very 516 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: cocky and confident. They were talking a lot of trash 517 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: to people. This is the hard part. This is where 518 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: it gets hard. This is where you have to put 519 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: your money where your mouth is. It wasn't good enough 520 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: against the Celtics tonight. You're gonna have other opportunities, but 521 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: it's really gonna come down to John making shots, and 522 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get something offensively out of Baine 523 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: and out of Jackson. All right, moving on to the 524 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: heat and the nets. So Kevin Durant returns tonight. I 525 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: I am always completely and utterly blown away by how 526 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: easily Kevin Durant can step back out onto a basketball court. 527 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: I had a buddy growing up who was so natural 528 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: as a score in basketball that he could go six 529 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: months without touching a basketball and walk into the gym 530 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: and shoot amazingly well. And then for me still to 531 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: this day, even though I literally trained like I'm a 532 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: professional athlete, I I can go on a four day 533 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: ski trip and come back and completely forgett how to 534 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: dribble because I'm very based on my rhythm I have. 535 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: I need lots of reps to get it going. And 536 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: it's so funny because I see a similar dynamic between 537 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: Lebron and Kevin Durant, like when Lebron takes time off, 538 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: when Lebron has an injury. When Lebron gets out of 539 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: basketball for a little bit and comes back, he looks 540 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: super sloppy, can't handle the ball, his shot goes to heck, 541 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: he struggles a lot seeing the floor. You see that 542 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: a lot in playoff series. Early in playoff series, especially 543 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: when he was in Cleveland, they'd get a sweep, they'd 544 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: win four games in a row, and then like they'd 545 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: have six days off and then he'd come back and 546 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: look like crap in the next in the next game 547 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: because he was just rusty. Kevin Durant is like my buddy, 548 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: He's just this incredible natural basketball player. I don't I'm not. 549 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: I want to be clear. He works his tail off. 550 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: This guy doesn't go six this guy doesn't go days 551 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: without touching a basketball. But it's also amazing to me 552 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: how he's always in rhythm, and it makes him such 553 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: a devastating weapon because you don't have to plan for 554 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: him in your offense. This is what made him so good. 555 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: In Golden State. You could play steph ball for six 556 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: minutes and k D could go without touching the ball 557 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: and just be running up and down the floor playing defense. 558 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: But then suddenly you could go to him in an 559 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: isolation possession and he'll score, Whereas if you did that 560 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: with just about any other scorer in the league, they 561 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: would miss on their first attempt and maybe their second 562 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: attempt because they have to regain their rhythm when they're 563 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: not involved in the offense. It's always been one of 564 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: the most impressive things to me about Kevin Durant. Another 565 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: thing that I thought was super interesting tonight, k D 566 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: obviously is getting up there in years, and one of 567 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: the things that he does to prevent himself from taking 568 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: bumps and bruises around the basket to protect his body, 569 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: he will drive two three to five feet from the 570 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: basket and shooter jump shot, which in retrospect is kind 571 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: of genius because what he's doing is he's saving himself 572 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: wear and tear. Instead of flying into a shot blocker, 573 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: taking a bunch of contact, trying to draw foul falling 574 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: to the ground, he just raises up for that five 575 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: foot or because that five footer for him might as 576 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: well be a layup. He's remarkably proficient at it. Just 577 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: little details in his game that I've loved. You know, 578 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: I thought Kevin Durant should have one m v P 579 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: this year if he didn't get hurt. We massively underrated, 580 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: underrated how his effort early in the season floated that 581 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: team when they were really struggling. And on the next 582 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: team that had Joe Harris hurt, that had Kyrie Irving 583 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: not able to play, James Harden out of shape and 584 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: actively looking at other situations, he just I think when 585 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: he got hurt, they were the one or the two 586 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: seats he just carried them to that point, and unfortunately 587 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: is he got hurt and it derailed him. This poor 588 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: guy has had an unbelievably poor set of injury luck 589 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: over the course of the last half decade, and I'm 590 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: hopeful that he'll get a chance to show us what 591 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: he's capable of, because I think he very much is 592 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: in the conversation for the best player in the league 593 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: this season with Kevin Durant on the floor. Coming into tonight, 594 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: they were plus one oh nine with Katie on the floor, 595 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: minus one sixty six with him off. That's how much 596 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: of a difference he's made for that completely talent void roster, 597 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: at least for what he was dealing with earlier in 598 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: the season. I actually do think they have a decent 599 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: amoun talent after the trade. You know, people don't understand 600 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: what he does and how much how hard he works 601 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: to do what he does, and I just hope that 602 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: people realize that, you know, the heat we're interesting in 603 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of ways to bam ade Bio is getting 604 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: a ton of attention right now. He's on a twelve 605 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: game stretch, I believe, where he's averaging twenty two and 606 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: eleven shooting he's doing. He's doing a lot of the 607 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: stuff that Anthony Davis does, you know, without the jump 608 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: shot obviously, although Anthony Davis can't shoot either. He's the 609 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: the cornerstone of their defense and everything that they do 610 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: he gives. His ability to set screens and roll to 611 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: the rim is very similar to what Anthony Davis can do. 612 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: The huge thing that he can do, though, is pass 613 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: out of the high post. And with how many guys 614 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: that Miami has that can cut and shoot off of 615 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: dribble handoffs and that are smart and can read defenses 616 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: and make simple like you know, curls and cuts and 617 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: reads and screens and things like that, he's a really 618 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: dynamic player to have with the ball in his hands 619 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: at the top of the key because of all the 620 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: things he can do there. The one thing that concerns 621 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: me with Bam, and this is the reason why I 622 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: don't believe in the Miami Heat the way that other 623 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: people do, is because it's it's because of something that 624 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: I saw in the finals. When you have Bamata Baio 625 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: on the court and you're playing against a really good 626 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: defensive center, that defensive center can ignore Bam. Bam is 627 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,959 Speaker 1: basically not taking threes anymore. He's only shooting thirty seven 628 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: point four from ten to sixteen feet. He's only shooting 629 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: thirty four point seven percent from sixteen ft to the 630 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: three point line, So he's basically a nonshooting threat. And 631 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: in Game six of the Finals, which was one of 632 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: the best defensive performances I've ever seen from a basketball team, 633 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: the reason, the main reason why they were able to 634 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: make that work, in addition to all of the guards 635 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: doing their job, was Anthony Davis ignored Bam and just 636 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: camped around the basket all game long and shut everything 637 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: down that Miami tried to do. That will continue to happen, 638 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: especially in specific matchups that team has to go through Janice, 639 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: that team has to go through Joel and beat Joel 640 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: em Beat will ignore Bamata Bio and hang out around 641 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: the basket. Now is there downside to that? Yeah? Of course, 642 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: Bam as a screener can help get guys open jump 643 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: shots and things along those lines. But teams like Philly 644 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: have so much length on the perimeter, that's gonna be 645 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: Matisse Thybol chasing you over the top. That's gonna be 646 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: Tobias Harris chasing you over top. That's gonna be Tyrese 647 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: Maxi chasing you over the top. Those aren't gonna be 648 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: easy shots, and you're gonna be driving right into Joel 649 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: m beat who's one of the best defensive players in 650 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: the league. So the bam at a bio thing I 651 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: just don't think works right now for the championship level 652 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: ceiling that they're shooting for. I definitely believe that at 653 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: some point in the future, if he becomes a shooter, 654 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: that he can alleviate some of that, but it's definitely 655 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: a concern of mine right now. And then lastly, ty 656 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: Tyler Harrow's uh. I think he's on five straight games 657 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: scoring over twenty points off the bench. He's having an 658 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: amazing season after having kind of a slump last year. 659 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: And the most fascinating thing to me about his game, 660 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: just for all of you young basketball players out there, 661 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: is how high he elevates on his jump shot. I 662 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: always say you have to have one of two things 663 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: in a jump shot. You have to either have a 664 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: super quick release or you have to elevate and have 665 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: a high release point. And if you're gonna do both, 666 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: it needs to be adjusted. So like if you're standing 667 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: still in the corner and you're shooting needs to be quick. 668 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: But if you're attacking off the dribble and you're shooting 669 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: off of movement at all, you have to elevate. And 670 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: Tyler Harrow's six ft seven is a freak athlete, and 671 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: he comes flying off these screens, or he runs down 672 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: the floor and transition and he elevates and his release 673 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: point is damn near above the rim, and so as 674 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: a result of that, he always gets super clean looks. 675 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: So if you can attach that to shooting proficiency, which 676 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: he absolutely has, he's a great three point shooter. It 677 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: becomes a devastating offensive weapon because there's not a whole 678 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: lot you can do when a six seven athlete is 679 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: flying off a screen and turning and rising and fire, 680 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: rising and firing at a release point higher than ten feet, 681 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: it's just really difficult to guard, and it gives them 682 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: an interesting weapon. Again, I don't believe in Miami this year. 683 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't think Jimmy and Kyle Lowry can generate the 684 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: quality offense to beat the teams in the East that 685 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: have just way better offensive players, But they do have 686 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: some exciting pieces. Tyler Harrow is absolutely someone that I've 687 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching this year. Al Right, guys, that is 688 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: all I have for tonight. I apologize for the Lakers 689 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: providing us with very little interesting basketball to talk about. 690 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: On that front, we will be back for Saturday night 691 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: against Golden State. I would hope that at that point 692 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel is gone. I mean, even if he is gone, 693 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure anything is going to stop the Lakers 694 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: from rolling over and letting Golden State beat them by thirty. 695 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: But either way, I will be here right after the 696 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: final buzzer for the show like usual as always. I 697 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: appreciate your guys support, and I'll see you in a 698 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: couple of days. U