1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and Matt. It is the Friday before the Super Bowl, 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: and um, kind of I don't know how you feel 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: about this, but I'm kind of like the season is 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: gonna end. Yeah, it's I'm always a little sad after 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: I always have an after super Bowl hangover a little 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: little bit that week I don't quite know what to 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: do with myself. And even this week leading up to 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: the Super Bowls only one one game to analyze. I 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: was really as you were, even more so senior Bowl 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: mode last week. You know, the season kind of ends 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: for me after the championship games. And then there's that 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: other one Sunday game that's you know, fan fair and 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: fun and it should be a great game. I'm psyched 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: about it. But I'm sure you're the same way. Just 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: like players and coaches, I become such a creature of 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: habit through the season that I can tell you Wednesday 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: at three thirty, I'll be here weeks in a row, 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, right, right, And I 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: think too. Part of it is because of that that 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: lag weekend between m like he gets so locked into 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: having a game's games every Sunday, every Sunday, every Sunday, 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: and then you don't have one, right, right, right, It's odd. 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: I always my wife and has noticed it over the 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: years too. It's like you have that that that strange 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: thing between season and off season. There's a couple of 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: days I just don't quite know what to do with myself. 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: You know. It's not like I'm not busy things to do, 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: but it's just I'm not I don't have to my 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: routine set yet. Yeah, I hear you. Um. So Thursday night, 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: the NFL had its honors ceremony and a lot of 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: stuff to break into with that, but the uh, the 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame class is announced, and I gotta tell you, 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm a bit under home by the entire group Darrell Reevas, 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: I think to me, headlines to class um. And then 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: after that, it was kind of like, Okay, that guy 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: was pretty good, you know, does he? People love Joe 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: Thomas and I get it, but you know, was he 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: a surefire first ballot Hall of Famer? I don't know. 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean think I think we put I think that 43 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: gets too much gets put on that part of it. Um. 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: But I look at like Ronde Barber, Zach Thomas, they 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: were good. I don't know that they're great players. For 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: to me, the fact that Zach Thomas got into the 47 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, the fact that Joe Cleco was it 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: was was put in as a senior player. Um, to me, 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 1: James Harrison should get in. Then I feel the same way. 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, so I helped recruit the roll reeves to 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: Pitt way back when you know, we didn't overlap there, 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: but I was there for this whole recruiting process, and frankly, 53 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: I think he's the definition of a Hall of Famer. 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's first ballot corner right there with the 55 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: woodson and Woodson's and Dion's and those type of dudes 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: that are no brainers to me. Um, I think Joe 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Thomas is also a no brainer. But I think to 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: your point, he's not quite oggden Pace. You know that 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: The interesting thing to me is, Matt, is that they 60 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: didn't put any wide receivers in. There's such a log 61 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: gym of wide receivers that you couldn't have waited, you know, 62 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: it was Joe Thomas more dominant and Alan Fanica that 63 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: means similar, right, right, Yeah, Fannika had to wait six 64 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: years to get into the Hall of Fame because they were, 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, electing all these other guys because there was backlogs. 66 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: But you're creating him more of a backlog at wide Receiver. 67 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this is where you were going 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: with it, but I think there's too much emphasis. Was well, 69 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: he a Hall of Famer, but I'm not sure he's 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer, you know, like I don't. 71 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're if you're a no brainer 72 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: to me, you're a no brainer. Revus and Thomas to me, 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: both qualify, although I do think Revis's case is a 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: little stronger of the two. I have no problem with 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the Marcus ware. Yeah, he probably would have got my 76 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: vote as well. Thomas and Barber to me, aren't Hall 77 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: of famers and water it down a little bit. And 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: that's not making fun of James Harrison or anything like that, 79 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I mean, because this case is as good as those 80 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: and his hinds word that much different or you know, 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like me, and again, I would have put 82 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson in or another receiver, certainly over Barber or Thomas, 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: who to me or just tall of very good guys. Yeah, 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one. I just look at that. 85 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Zach Thomas was on the ballot again when I voted 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, and people were talking about Zach Thomas. 87 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, based on what I mean, I would it's 88 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: a good player. Don't and don't start reading off tackle 89 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: numbers to me, because those aren't even an official statistic. Yeah, 90 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't see it again. You know, 91 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: we're making fun of the U these girls, the beauty 92 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: pageant type of thing. I mean, we know that. But 93 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: that's why I think the bar has gotten a little 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: low lately. And here's my here's my problem with with 95 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: Ronde Barber getting in as well. So that Tampa that 96 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: that two thousand what was the two thousand one Tampa 97 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: Bay team that he was a part of, now has 98 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: four members of that defense right going into the Hall 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: of Fame. I don't think Lynch belongs either, right, Like, 100 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: so you're telling me this is one of the greatest 101 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: defenses of all time. They won one Super Bowl. Let's 102 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: say they were great for like two years or three 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: years and they didn't stand up as a you know, 104 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: a decade long, awesome defense. I mean, the legion of 105 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: Boomed to me, is better than recent member, right. So 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: you know it goes back to the to the argument. 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: And I bring this one up all the time. Uh, 108 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: you know when when the you know, when Richard Seymour 109 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: was being presented that year, and you know the fact 110 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: that you know, thy Law was the only member of 111 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: the two thousand one through two thousand four Patriots in 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I don't care. And but you 113 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: now have four members of this defense in the Hall 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: of Fame, and and and the the argument was so 115 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: so it was basically it was thy Law, Tom Brady, 116 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick in a bunch of slappies. Well, Seymour's now 117 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: in mhm. But they could be a bunch of really 118 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: good players, just not Hall of famers, right Uh. To me, 119 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm now looking at that Buccaneers team and like, okay, 120 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: why didn't they win multiple Super Bowls in yeah, exactly? 121 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: Or the Dolphins are undefeated with the no Name defense. 122 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: Should someone off the no Name defense now'll be in 123 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I mean, it's been a real 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: name defense players. They didn't have a star, you know. 125 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't aware that those bucketing teams were 126 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: the greatest teams of all time, all right. I don't 127 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: know they're getting up to there, getting up to having 128 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: as many guys in the Hall of Fame as a 129 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Steeve Curtain. Right. It's not in that neighborhood at all. 130 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they have one one trophy. And I've never 131 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: been fortunate enough to sit there in those meetings like 132 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: you were, and that would be really really cool, of course. 133 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: But frankly, if someone's telling me that Patriot argument or 134 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: the box argument, there's only two Hall of Famers here, like, oh, 135 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: there doesn't have there's not a prerequisite. And I get it. 136 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: I get it though from the Patriots team. When you 137 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: win three super Bowls in four years, yeah, you had 138 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 1: to have some good guys. When you win one super Bowl, 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: you can't have seven or eight Hall of Famers, right, 140 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl on 141 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: Sunday and then next year's Super Bowl, that they deserve 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: three defensive players in them, like there, who would it be? 143 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: But they're they're a team that's built on there. I mean, 144 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know, Andy Reids going to the 145 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Patrick Mahomes is on his way to 146 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Kelsey is going to the Hall 147 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: of Fame. Maybe one of their offensive lineman, maybe Christian. 148 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: So they've got guys they know where. I just look 149 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: at that Bucks team and I'm like, again, four Hall 150 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: of famers off the same defense. You should have been 151 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: the best defensive all time, And I'm gonna nerd out 152 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. He's a cover two corner. I mean 153 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: he guards someone for eight yards and passes him off 154 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: to the safety. I mean, I know he blitzes and 155 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: did a lot of other things and has good numbers, 156 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: but he's not Rivus the island and playing a man 157 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: coverage against the best corner. There's there's not a lot 158 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: of difference between Ronde Barber and the Shay Townsend, right right. 159 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say he's closer to the Shay 160 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: than he is to Revus, but I see what you're saying. 161 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, they basically did the same thing. Now, 162 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: he did it for a long time and I'll give 163 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: him credit for that. And he had for seven career 164 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: interceptions and that's great, but I don't look at him 165 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: as being one of the all time greats. No, only 166 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: your thought thoughts on this too. I've been lobbying for 167 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: Corey l for a while. I was happy he got 168 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: in because I thought he was sort of I mean, 169 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: no one used tight ends like he did before that 170 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: or But what I wanted to ask you, though, is 171 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: I get the Veterans Committee thing, but pleco to me, 172 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: what what what does he like two or three Pro 173 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Bowl I mean like he was he wasn't for a 174 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: long time like Ken Riley. Ken Riley made it in 175 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and he he probably deserves it. I 176 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: mean it's like sixty interceptions in his career. Okay, do 177 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: we have to put a veteran in every year? Though? 178 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Was my points. Well, they do, but it's supposed to 179 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: be because there's a backlog of guys that because you 180 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: you fall off, you're eligible for twenty years. That once 181 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: you're five years are up, and then once it was 182 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: twenty years are over, you you fall off the list, 183 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: and then there's a you know, because let's face it 184 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: to um, you know, the NF fell. The Hall of 185 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: Fame didn't become a thing until the sixties. Well that's 186 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: by that time they were already you know, thirty plus 187 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: years of NFL taking place, and so there was a 188 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: backlog at that time, um, you know, trying to get 189 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: all these guys in. So there there are guys who 190 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: are deserving. You know, again, everybody talks about L. C. 191 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: Greenwood or you know, players of that nature that that 192 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, he's a deserving Hall of Famer, but he 193 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: didn't get in. You know, now he has to wait 194 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: for the Veterans Committee to do it. Joe Cleco really, 195 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: let's say, I mean, is Joe Cleco's bust gonna be 196 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: right next to Joe green and Aaron Donalds one day? 197 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Like they're not the same. Yeah, I don't know. Did 198 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: you have any awards m v P s Rook of 199 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: the Years, any of that stuff? Uh? Not really, And 200 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: I thought I thought it went pretty chalky, kind of 201 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: what we expected. And again I would have voted for 202 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson for Coaching the Year. I mean, they took 203 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: a team from having the last or the first overall 204 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: pick in the draft to winning his division. That's kind 205 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: of a big deal, no doubt, no doubt. You know, 206 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't I know why day Ball won it with 207 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: the Giant, you know, but they if you look at 208 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: the resumes, they made it equally as far in the playoffs, 209 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: they both won a game. Um, Peterson wanted division, Dave 210 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: Ball was a second, he was a wild card third division. 211 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: And Peterson his team won more games then the Giants 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: had won the previous year. You know that he had 213 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: a bigger improvement. Oh yeah, then the Giants had had. 214 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: And frankly, I think the Jags. If the Jags and 215 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Giants played a hundred times, I think the Jazz won 216 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: that series too. Yeah, And so I just think I 217 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: think Peterson did a better job. I thought he I 218 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: thought he was more deserving. But day Ball won it 219 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: because well he did what he did in New York. Yah. Yeah. 220 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: And really the second half of the Giant season wasn't 221 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: all that glorious, you know, No, I mean they won 222 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: two games in a second half of the season, like 223 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: they limped into the playoffs. Yeah, and then they had 224 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: a problem with either, to be honest with you, and 225 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with either. But my my 226 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: preference would have been that Peterson wins it. I you know, again, 227 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: if you if you look at the odds, the preseason 228 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: odds on which one was supposed to win more games. 229 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: The Giants were supposed to win more games. I think 230 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: they're over under was like seven mm, it was higher. Um, 231 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: I think all the other ones I would have voted for. 232 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: But we used to talk about this with Kenny Pickett. 233 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: Um offensive Rookie of the Year was pretty light. This year. 234 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: It was light. Um. I thought Pike it should have 235 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: been included in the group that was in the finals 236 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: or yeah. I mean I I don't whatever, But that's 237 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Um. You know, I think he's 238 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: starting twelve games is a lot different than starting six umba, 239 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: oh yes, but such as this, such as that, that's 240 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: the way it goes. I was a bit surprised that 241 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Cam Hayward didn't win that Walter Payton Man of the 242 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: Year award. I thought it might be his year two. 243 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. Um, yeah, I bet that's coming. Yeah. 244 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: I mean that was like a sixth time as an ominee. Um. 245 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what more he can do, uh, you know, 246 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: to do more. It might just be like the Hall 247 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: of Fame. That's just sometimes you just kind of have 248 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: to wait your turn. But they give it to Dak 249 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: Prescott this year. Usually it's you know, like last year 250 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: as Whitworth. Okay, I get it. He's he's a veteran 251 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: guy who's been around a long time year, you know, 252 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: a year before I think it was Klais Campbell. Yeah, 253 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: you guys who had guys who had done it for 254 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: a long, long, long time and are getting close to 255 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: the end of their career, and so you want to 256 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: make you know, get them that honor. Dak Prescott's got 257 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: what keen were years to play. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, 258 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I honestly didn't put two and two together. Who won it? 259 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: You and just now? But usually that's is a wit 260 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: Worth or it's a career. It's a career achievement of 261 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: where more of us exactly. I'm like, well, you'd a 262 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: great year, Like no, I mean, you've been a great demand. 263 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: Because now that he's one, and you know, now that 264 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott has won it, what happens to him next year? Well, 265 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think anybody wins it twice, right, right, Yeah, 266 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: so you know, I don't know. To me, Uh, I'm 267 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: sure Hayward's disappointed. I know he'd really like to win 268 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: the award. It's a nice crowning achievement for your career. Um, 269 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: it would really help his of fame credentials. Although now 270 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: that Joe Klecko's got in Cam Heywards, yeah, Heywards a 271 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: slam dunk right, doors wide open. But unfortunately for Cam 272 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: it looks like he at least has one more year, 273 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: hopefully several. You know, all this stuff. You know, we 274 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: haven't talked about this, but I don't believe we have. Anyways, 275 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: there was stuff, you know when the season ended, Um, well, 276 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers could they could cut Cam Haywards to save 277 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: cap space. They are not cutting Cam Hayward. That's the 278 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: most ridiculous. In fact, if folks, if you're listening to 279 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: this and if you read something that says the Steelers 280 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: might cut Cam Hayward, stop reading right now because there's 281 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: absolutely no basis in fact in the article that you're reading. Right, 282 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: he's one of the most important people in the organization, 283 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: right he is viewed within the organization, not quite at 284 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: the same level with Joe Green because nobody is, but 285 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: he's in that next tier down, right, and he's still great. 286 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: Why would you why would you get the same thing 287 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: as it was. You know when we were talking about 288 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: the article the other day and they talked about cutting, Um, 289 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, offensive lineman starting offensive lineman, stop reading right there, 290 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: right right. They're not going to do that. I cut chookes. 291 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: And you know, like we're talking about Devin Dotson. What's 292 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: ket What cutting Kevin Dawson saves you what two million dollars? Right, 293 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: He's just starting left guard on a on a rookie contract. No, 294 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: it's bonkers. So yeah, it's it's you know, um, I 295 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: just there's all kinds of crazy stuff that happens this 296 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: time of year and that, you know, but I just 297 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: I was disappointed for Cam. I know he really wants Yeah, 298 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up to win that award 299 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: and and and there's a monetary value that would go 300 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: to his uh you know, to the Hayward House involved 301 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: with that. Um. You know, you win by being nominated, 302 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: you do get something, you know. I think they get 303 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: fifty dollars for their for their for their charity, but 304 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: to win it, I mean you get big money for 305 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: your charity. Um. Yeah. So the other thing that was 306 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of cool. Did you see that the mar Hamlin stuff? No, 307 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I honestly didn't. I didn't watch it either, but I 308 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: saw enough tweets of it and I watched earlier in 309 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: the day. Um, you know, they on Wednesday, they had 310 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: the commissioner came up in talk to you know, he 311 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: does his yearly thing and and then uh, you know, 312 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: the NFL p A. But they also gave Tamar Hamlin award, 313 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: an award because his charity raised nine million dollars even 314 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: sillion dollar, right, I do know they did some kind 315 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: of honoring of the the folks to save his life. 316 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: I think too, didn't Yeah, right, right, that's awesome. So yeah, 317 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: that was uh, you know, that was nice. And you 318 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: saw him out on stage and and obviously he's making 319 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: a recovery. We'll see if he's able to to play 320 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: football again. But good to see that he's on his 321 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: way to, you know, being able again. I went through 322 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: that whole situation with Ryan Shay's here, and you didn't 323 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: know what was going on when you were in stadium 324 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: that night, and you know, that's one of the toughest 325 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: nights covering you know, an NFL team that I can remember, uh, 326 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, having something like that, I can only imagine 327 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: for those people that were covering Tamar Hamlin that night. 328 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: Uh um, and everybody watching to be able to see 329 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: him work out onto the stage. Was, I'm sure pretty special? 330 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: Pretty cool? Pretty cool for sure. Yeah. The ward show 331 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: always steaks up on me. I woke woke up and 332 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: roll over look at my phone, like, oh yeah they 333 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: did that last These guys are in the whole Fame cool. 334 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: I forgot all about it. Always steaks up on me 335 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: for some of them. Reason, Yeah, well they used to 336 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: do it the night before the Hall of Fame stuff. 337 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: In particular, was it was the night that the awards 338 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: shows the night before the Super Bowl, right right, right right. 339 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: I just never think about it. I just get deered 340 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: in on the game and it's becomes so I mean, 341 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: I get at the NFL is really trying to promote 342 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: the game and all that stuff, but it seems a 343 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: little over the top, like they do now do Kyle 344 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: Brand's angry runs and Kyle Brandt runs out on the 345 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: stage and does all his stupid stick um, you know, 346 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: promoting your promoting the channel and all that stuff. It's 347 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: gotten a little over the top, over the top. Yeah, 348 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: I can picture it, and I won't watch the Awards 349 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: show next year either, But I always into stead of 350 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: who wins things and the Hall of Fame in particular. 351 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: Back in the original conversation, underwhelmed, to say the least 352 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame class. There was a lot 353 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: of guys. I thought, yeah, I can see that guy 354 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: getting in, but two of them are Thomas or Barbara. No, No, 355 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: I'm with you. And again, um, that backlog a wide 356 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: receiver just gets deeper and deeper and deeper, and you know, 357 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: you start running out of you know, it's like I 358 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: have to even look to see who is eligible next year. 359 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of that stuff yet, but pops 360 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: up around this time, too. Quick question for you, A J. 361 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: Green Hall of Famer or not he hung out? I 362 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: don't think so. You don't think no, put him behind Andre. 363 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: I would put him behind Andre Johnson. But I think 364 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: he's at the Bruce Holt level. I don't think he is, 365 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: because I don't think he was dominant enough last year 366 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: and help his cause, he had like three or four 367 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: really good years. But was he ever the best? No, 368 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I think he was always behind A B and Julio. Yeah, 369 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: and then and then it became a situation where he 370 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: just kept getting hurt and kept getting hurt. Here are 371 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: the guys for next year, Julie Julius Peppers. I'm fine 372 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: with him going. Antonio Gates, he'll get in. I don't 373 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: know next year is it, but he will get in. 374 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: Eric Barry, No, he was a member of the All 375 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: Decades team. That means good. But that's a big part 376 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: of it. Hello, Ti Nada, he didna have a tough time. 377 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know how not it gets in. Brandon Marshall, 378 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: Jamal Charles uh Andrew Luck, Doug Baldwin, Jordy Nelson, Sebastian Jankowski, 379 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, Darren Woodson, Dwight Freeney again, Patrick Willis, And 380 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: you're into all the guys who are who are Hell, 381 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: you know it's not We're not too far down the 382 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: road now from all these quarterbacks who are retiring. Oh, 383 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: I know, Ben, you know, you know you've got a 384 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: lot of it coming up, even this year. Cong it 385 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: up this year, you know, I mean, so the quarterbacks 386 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: are gonna be fine. You're right, there's a lot of 387 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: that era. Eli is not eligible yet, right, Yeah, I 388 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: don't think he lies a Hall of Famer anither, but 389 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: I think he gets in, but I would you would 390 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: not get my vote. Yeah, so but interesting. We'll see 391 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: how that continues. Matt, there's a there's an article out 392 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: on CBS sports dot com that I wanted to talk 393 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: about here when we when we come back from the break, 394 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: it's putting together the all time Super Bowl team. Wow, 395 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: the greatest players at every position. It goes too deep 396 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: at every position. So I thought we'd talked about that 397 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: when we come back. 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