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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 1: straight Fire, Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: May twelve, And oh my goodness, what a night in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Just an unbelievable. It's so weird how one

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Speaker 1: night's games are always great and the other night's games

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Speaker 1: so far have been pretty garbage e And oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Boston Milwaukee was one for the books historically great game,

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Speaker 1: and so was Golden State Remembers for all the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to quick first give a shout out

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Speaker 1: to yesterday's guest, Sam Porter, My guy and Nicasa heard

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Speaker 1: from a lot of you. A lot of my friends

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Speaker 1: were texting me about this because they know about buying

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Speaker 1: investment in the soccer team. They're thrilled, they're excited. I

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Speaker 1: heard from several of you via Instagram on d MS

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Speaker 1: and you guys really liked it. And again, we try

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Speaker 1: to change things up here every now and then. We've

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Speaker 1: working on something for tomorrow's guests. We'll see if it maticulates.

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Speaker 1: Uh meticulates is that even a word. We'll see if

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Speaker 1: it materializes. Next week we have a good, unique guest.

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Speaker 1: We are closing in on episode five hundred. Very exciting

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Speaker 1: here on Straight Fire. I'll be honest, I'm surprised that

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Speaker 1: it's happened that quickly. Two years goes by super fast

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Speaker 1: it's been thrilling. And I had anticipated coming on this

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Speaker 1: to our guest, a seven time NBA champion by the

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Speaker 1: name of Robert Ory. Big shot Bob. Yes, he's today's guest.

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Speaker 1: Up very far right up. When I did the Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show a few weeks back with the Gottlieb, we

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Speaker 1: coaching job, and he was very thoughtful and gave games

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Speaker 1: Everybody's saying the same things and he's coming out of

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Speaker 1: see you, Robert. I instantly went to producer to the Stars,

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Speaker 1: Rob Berra, and I said, Rob, we need to get

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Speaker 1: Robert Orri on here. Just so happens. He's got a

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Speaker 1: new podcast at my heart joining the fam. So we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Robert Ory. But first I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta break down the games. And I I think I'll

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Speaker 1: start with an easy phrase. You know, champions take care

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Speaker 1: of business. That's what they do. Right as we saw

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Speaker 1: Harden's back the Heat our championship material, and they destroy

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Speaker 1: Philly in the pivotal Game five. You know the numbers

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Speaker 1: Also Tuesday night, the Dallas Mavericks had one two at

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Speaker 1: the Bucks, the defending champions, find themselves down four early

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter, ten minutes left, are down fourteen. They fight,

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Speaker 1: The defending Champions Janice with blood gushing out of his

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Speaker 1: it's got this. They're gonna be up three to Milwaukee's

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Speaker 1: and this is where it fell apart. More friendly fire,

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Speaker 1: How is this? What is happened? How they just led

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Speaker 1: at that point Drew Holiday sniffs it out. Drew Holiday,

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Speaker 1: and Boston loses. And Folks, this is two games that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I feel gooded for Celtics fans, and

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Speaker 1: of embarrassed. My New York friends are gonna be like, Jay,

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? We hate Boston. I like Jayson Tatum, Guys,

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Speaker 1: It's weird because even you know, when the when the

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Speaker 1: Come on, Mark Sanchez. It was pure excitement. I was

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Speaker 1: He was good, not great in this game, not not

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Speaker 1: twenty nine shots. They really wrote him hard. Two for

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Speaker 1: Just you know, this is what champions do. They closed,

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Speaker 1: or you're in a local basketball league. Yes, my basketball

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Speaker 1: first quarter, it only got worse. When you're down twenty

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Speaker 1: how you doing man? Man, I'm blessed man. How about you? Man?

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I think that upsets us so

423
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Speaker 1: much about Kyrie, he's a generational talent. The dude can

424
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Speaker 1: flat out play, you know. And in the podcast we're doing,

425
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: we just talked about him when it came back and

426
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: from three one to beat the beat the Warriors in

427
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: that series and he makes a game winning shot. From

428
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: that moment on, we fell in love with Kyrie. And

429
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: now we get this. Kyrie is humanitarian and he's trying

430
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: to have a voice and all this kind of stuff.

431
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: You know, I get that. Now you have the platform

432
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: to do all that, but you can still do that

433
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: as you played basketball. And he's not. He's not respecting

434
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: the game. He's not respecting his teammates. More importantly, because

435
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: his teammates are depending on you to be there and

436
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: you're not there. So he has to figure out what

437
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: he wants to do. He can't do both, but he

438
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: has to do it the right way. Yeah, he's clearly not.

439
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, early in the season, he just said,

440
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: I need some time off and when a wall you

441
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: can't do that in the NBA for a week. I mean,

442
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: I know. He later said, like, oh, I need some

443
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: mental health time, and that's fine, everybody needs that. But Rob,

444
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: you said like disrespecting the game. Like ten years ago,

445
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: nobody on in the NBA could say I need some

446
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: time all for my mental well being, Like you can't

447
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: do that ten years ago. Now you know, we got

448
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons saying it, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and listen,

449
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: guys are going through stuff. I get it, you know,

450
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: it's the world is different. But you know, I wonder

451
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: if people don't think Kyrie took it seriously enough the

452
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: season this year, playing a handful of game, the whole

453
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: vaccination thing, and then they get swept out of the playoffs,

454
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: and he didn't really say, you know, that's an embarrassing sweep. Robert,

455
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: were you ever swept? I'm just curious. I swept. Yeah,

456
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: I was swept once. I don't want to talk about that.

457
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: You tell you take swept in the second round? That

458
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: was this. But you know what I think, you know,

459
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm for me. I want to think about this.

460
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: My my second year in the league, trying to win

461
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: a championship. My daughter was born with missing part of

462
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: the first chromosome MP thirty six. At least syndrome didn't

463
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: even have a name when she she was born. Um

464
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: every at every playoff game, I was running to the

465
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: hospital and my mental health was was was good because

466
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: I was able to go in the court and exercise

467
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: some anger I had at my daughter being six, not

468
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: knowing she was gonna live or die. And I never

469
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: talked about it with anybody but my wife and my

470
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: closest of close friends and my family. And nowadays these

471
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: guys said, well, we got the Black Lives Matter moment,

472
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: we got the Asian things, we got a lot of

473
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: things that are going out very important. But to me,

474
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter's health was more important to all that.

475
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: But what kept me saying, what's going on the court

476
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: to release that anger that I had the fact that

477
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't I was helpless and couldn't do anything to

478
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: help her out. And I think a lot of guys

479
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: don't understand. You know, that's an outlet, but you know

480
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: you want to sit home and not be active and

481
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: think about it. To me, personally, that's gonna just grow

482
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: and become that cancer that's hanging over you. That makes

483
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: it worse. And guys think, Okay, I'm not gonna go play.

484
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: It's an outlet to exercise, you know, to get really

485
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: those demons to do things. I think guys need to

486
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: look at it in that sense too. Maybe I need

487
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: basket wrong to help me get rid of these demons.

488
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I wonder do you think on some level some of

489
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: these NBA starts to think, you know what, the season

490
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: is too damn long, eighty two games. What does it

491
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: matter what happens in December or February. You know, let

492
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: me just take some time off and then I'll just

493
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: come back in the playoffs. It will be good because

494
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: the Nets seem to have that mentality, we'll just get

495
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: it together and flip the switch, you know the quote.

496
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: And then they could not flip the switch against Boston

497
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: because they did not have any continuity from the regular season. Yeah.

498
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a cop out man um this, even

499
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: with the load management stuff and all these other things,

500
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: and these guys it's like, you know what, low manage

501
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: out of damn streets. Don't go out in the public,

502
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: don't hang out in the clubs. Stay you're asking at

503
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: home and get some risks. That's your load management. But

504
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: these other guys they have so many things now that

505
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: they be occupied with. I know, the first rule of

506
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: thumb every every game goes to I go home, get

507
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: off your feet, you know, relaxed, don't go anywhere, you know.

508
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: But these guys now they had to go commercial shoots,

509
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: they got to go get on ticktok, they got going Instagram,

510
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: they gotta do the social media because that's the way

511
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: they make extra money. But for us, we didn't have

512
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: the social media platform where we just went home and

513
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: just relaxed. And I think a lot of guys they

514
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: need to do that, you know, they need to stay

515
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: off their feet and not trying to be in the

516
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: scene so much. And and and I don't think I

517
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: could have played in this day and the area because

518
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: there's too many eyes on you. There are too many

519
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: people talking bad about you when you don't show up

520
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: and do good. So it's hard on it. I can

521
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: see how the mental park can come into play it.

522
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: But you like Miles Gatt, don't have social media. You know,

523
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: you make enough damn money and being why you gotta

524
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: make more? That's a great point. Um. You know you

525
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: think about it and you're like, you know, I think

526
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: back to the Lakers, King Series. You guys were and

527
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: you know you would lose a tough game. And it's

528
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: not like you could just go to the hotel room

529
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: and play video games streaming online against a million people.

530
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: You can't go on your Instagram and talk to fans

531
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: and see what people are saying. Like, the options now

532
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: for these players are just so many that I just

533
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: wonder if a lot of them aren't, really, like you said,

534
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: focused on basketball. But and it's kind of dovetails to

535
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: my next question. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

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539
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say they're the best players in the league,

540
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: but on some level, three of the five best players

541
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: in the league happened to not come from America. Uh

542
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Yo Kich who's won two MVPs in a row, Janice

543
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: who won the two MVPs before that, and Luka don Chech,

544
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: who for my money, is the best like team basketball

545
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: player in the league right now. Those three guys might

546
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: be the three best players in the league at this

547
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: juncture and none of them are American. Is that a

548
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: little scary when you factor in, hey man, all these

549
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: exact on social media and video games and marketing and TikTok.

550
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, so embied. He's a social media

551
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: king does so he can't really add. But I think

552
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, those guys don't really care,

553
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, they just want to play basketball. They don't

554
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: care about the social media. And then also they can,

555
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: you know, do the y'all thing and that, like they

556
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: don't understand English. When they really do, they're like, oh,

557
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking. I don't care. And

558
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: I think for us as Americans, sometimes it goes back

559
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: to image. Image is so important to Americans. You know,

560
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: we gotta dress right, we gotta have everything, and were

561
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: so influenced by you know, whatever socialite is owned, you know,

562
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: TikTok or any social media. We want to be like them,

563
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: act like them, and be like that. And I don't

564
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: think the the guys that are foreign players are come

565
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: from form really care. They just want to win. They

566
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: just want to hoop and and I wish every guy

567
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: was like that, but that you know, they know the

568
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: American players aren't. You know, it's a different, you know

569
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: way of life and a different lifestyle. So is there

570
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: a is there a like an issue you think with that,

571
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: because you know, back in the nineties and I have

572
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: this argument and we could we could talk about it

573
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: if you really want to. And I don't know if

574
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna love it, but you know, I think one

575
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: of the reasons that everybody claims, you know, Jordan's was

576
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: the best Stara Oh, Magic and Bird and Jordan it

577
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: was amazing. I was like, guys, uh, first of all,

578
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: there were like no international players in the league. Then

579
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: it was like Tony Cook coach, maybe a couple other guys,

580
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: Vlada Diva, a couple other guys. Right now, like the

581
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: elite players are international and and you know, we could

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00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: talk about the expansion era that was a little before

583
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: you got to the league, but from like eight they

584
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: added like six or seven teams. And you know, there's

585
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: a couple of stars on record saying like, come on, man,

586
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: these teams don't have any good players. You know, it

587
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: took a while for Charlotte and Company to get off

588
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: the ground. I feel like the league is better now

589
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: than it's ever been. And I know guys who played

590
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: back in the day don't like that. But is that

591
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: something you'd agree with. I'd agree with because you have

592
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: the dream team who brought basketball to the world, and

593
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: you got the Dirk new Whiskey's and the Tony Cook

594
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Speaker 1: coaches and and all these guys that the Petrovitch is

595
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: and all these guys that said, oh this is fun.

596
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh I can learn from these guys. And I think

597
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: if you look at the foreign players. I take Tony

598
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Parker for instance, they got to know him, but playing

599
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: with him and genobli Um, these guys they basically went

600
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: to school to play basketball and they would talk the fundamentals.

601
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: They didn't have a you, which and to me, au

602
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: is messed up basketball because now guys are in the summertime,

603
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: running all over the country playing in these games and

604
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: showcase themselves instead of learning the basics on how to

605
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: play and how to drive, on how to you know,

606
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: be the perfect teammate. You know, a you I got

607
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: a showcase. It's all about me, me, me, me me.

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Speaker 1: You know. I'm not saying every program is like that,

609
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: but a lot of them like that where they got

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00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: to showcase the player because that coach thinks he he gotta,

611
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, ride to the promised lab. So, but the

612
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: international players they go, they go to school, they go

613
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: learn the basis, they learn from the basis, they learn

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00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: to do that, and they have that foundation. The foundation is,

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00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: to me, is not as secure as the foundation of

616
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: foreign players, even though we're better. You know, I think

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00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: the talent is way better than the pool is bigger here,

618
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: but I just think the foundational aspect of it is

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00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: a lot better with foreign players because they know they

620
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: have to have a base and it ain't about just

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00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: talent to get to the next level. Yeah, that's a

622
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: great point, and you know, it got me thinking, like

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Speaker 1: when you look at some of these guys going to

624
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: a basketball academy, it's not that different from like soccer.

625
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, they identify you at like twelve and you're

626
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: not getting the education, but guess what, you're learning everything

627
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: about soccer possible. I look at a guy like John

628
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Moran and Robert he is a phenomenal offensive guy. He

629
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: looks like the prototypical AU player, grab it and go

630
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: lay ups, dunks, and then you look at the defensive

631
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: end and you're like, he could barely guard me if

632
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: I were playing at Like, I can't guard anybody, and

633
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: they lose John Morant for a game and they're a

634
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: great defensive performance against the Warriors. Is there any way

635
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: to teach these you know, older dogs, and by older

636
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean like twenty two year old guys. Can can

637
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: you teach them how to defense? You know? It has

638
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: to be the coaches has to be in practice. You

639
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: think about these guys not don't practice anymore. It's about Okay,

640
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna walk to some stuff, get up some shots,

641
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: and we out. Man. We would spend a whole two

642
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: or three days straight just talking about defense. And these

643
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: teams now they don't care about defense. It's about you

644
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: know because to me, analytic come into the game and

645
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: it's messed the game because now it's like, oh, we

646
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: gotta get up more shots, we gotta get up more threes.

647
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: We gotta do is no, you gotta get buckets. But

648
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: you also got to stop someone else on the other

649
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: end from getting buckets. And that's that's the main key

650
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: that these coaches now because it stems from high school

651
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: because in high school, a you if you go to

652
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: high school game, now it's like the NBA game and

653
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: and everything is all cost Oh this is how they're

654
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: playing au This is where they're accustomed to. No, no, no,

655
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: no no. You're the head coach. You have your hands

656
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: on these guys for a long time. Teach them how

657
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: to play defense, teach them how to rotate, teach them

658
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: how to play with each other. And it's not about I.

659
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: If they want to, you know, if they want to

660
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: leave the school go to another school, I don't care.

661
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna teach you the right way to do it.

662
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing. In high school. Now, they

663
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: gotta stop all this transfer and stuff like Okay, I'm

664
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna go through this school and play this nick go

665
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: this gonna stop that. They got to snip that in

666
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: the book because kids are not learning how to play

667
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: the game, and coaches are only allowing kids to play

668
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: if they got talent. You know, teach your kid to

669
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: play that you see that has potential to play, that

670
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: has to understand I Q to do what you need

671
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: and not just depending on talent, because oh, I want

672
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: to try to get the spotlight not on him, but

673
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: on myself and and and that's the hard part, and

674
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: it's it's just what we are in this damn age.

675
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be seen and wants to be noticed

676
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: instead of just learning the basics. It reminds me of

677
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: that guy Jalen Johnson, the kid who went to Duke

678
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: and then he left early. Remember he just kind of

679
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: quit and everybody's like quitting on the team. And I

680
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: was like, now he's going to the NBA. And then

681
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: people like, well this is a guy who went to

682
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: three different high schools. Uh, And now you know he

683
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: made the NBA. But I don't know that this mentality

684
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: of man, it's not working out for me here. I'm

685
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: not getting mine, I'm not getting the shine. I'm just

686
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna move on. I'm gonna quit, Like I don't know

687
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: how we get that out of college or reason high

688
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: school sports. You know, we had to figure a way out.

689
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: And the system is to me, is letting these young

690
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: kids down because it's it's teaching. Nobody had to be

691
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: men or women or whatever it may be. Because now

692
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: if the situation and it's too tough, I just leave it.

693
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: And you can't run away from the hard stuff. That's

694
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: what makes you who you are. You think about Michael

695
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Jordan getting cut. He didn't go to another school. He

696
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: went in the backyard with the kids, like to call

697
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: the lab. Now got better and became who he was.

698
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: And that's what you gotta do. You know. We always

699
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: say tough times don't last what tough people do. But

700
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: you've got to become tough and and and I think

701
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: when that happens, it goes even further back where the participation,

702
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the biggest thing that I wish

703
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: these parents would stop it because they say, Okay, he

704
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: gets a trophy for participating. Why, why that's not fair.

705
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: That'd be like me going to high school and the

706
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: valedictorian being a valid tooria the school and I got

707
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: the lowest graces. Oh, you give a speech. I participate

708
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: in high school. I should give a speech to Is

709
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: that fair? No, it's not. So. It's like that in

710
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: sports you can not and it teaches kids, now, oh

711
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: well I did it. I don't get rewarded for this. No,

712
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: you didn't accomplish your goal. You didn't get What was

713
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: more important is to be the best at whatever want

714
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: to be and you just want to tag alone now

715
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: and get rewarded. It's it's not fair. And he's parenthly

716
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: to stop that because it's rolling into society and every

717
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: aspect of society in business world that we do now

718
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: because everybody wants to be rewarded for doing that a

719
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: damn thing. I like it. I like it. We could

720
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: wrap up with the Lakers, Robert. I'm sure you know

721
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: you work for a spectrum out here in l A

722
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: doing a lot of stuff with the Lakers. I'm sure

723
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: you're following it closely. I was hosting Dan Patrick a

724
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and you came on as a

725
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: guest talking about potential Laker coaches. Um, I don't know

726
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: what's your vibe on what's happening with the Lakers coaching situation.

727
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: Genie Buss recently talked to the l A Times. It

728
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm listening to Magic and Phil Jackson,

729
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: and people are just like, oh my god, what are

730
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: we doing? Well, what's going on? I know, you know, Genie,

731
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to get you fired. But it's

732
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: but she it's okay, you know. I think she should

733
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: bring in a host of form of players, you know,

734
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: bringing Magic, bringing Shack, bringing Kareem, bringing myself, Jane and

735
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: just talk to him. It's nothing wrong with getting the

736
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: field for what, you know, because each guy has his

737
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: ear to the street. Each guy has a different perspective.

738
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: You never know, you know, might come in like for me,

739
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: if if I'm the Lakers, I'm hiring I'm hiring Darvin Hamm. Um.

740
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: And I've been saying this from day one. Darvin Hamm

741
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: has been around league, He's won a championship with in Milwaukee,

742
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: and you have to look at the future and the

743
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Lakers are gonna be without Lebron in a couple of years.

744
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Just just say, you gotta think of it like that.

745
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: He's getting old, he has it sometimes you know, hang

746
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: him up. But who's gonna be up for a new

747
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: contract in a couple of years, You're honest, Johannest has

748
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: a relationship with Darvin Hamm and you have to think

749
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: like that, man, That's how I'm thinking. And you know, plus,

750
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Darvin Hammond has a lot of relationship with himybody. And

751
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: also I look at like this. If you if you

752
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: see Darvin ham and all of a sudden, you as

753
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: a player and you get ready to talk back and

754
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: you look at Darvin ham You're like, oh, shiot, let

755
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: me second guess myself. I ain't gonna challenge here. He'd

756
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: like with my ask, you know, So you know, it's

757
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: about bringing that that voice. He has that voice. You know,

758
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: you don't want to a guy that's gonna be talking

759
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: like this. You got to have that guy to act on,

760
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, staying with his chest. And I think Darvin Ham,

761
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: Sam Casale, all these guys, you know, are gonna be

762
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: respected about these players because they have won championships, they've

763
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: been around the league for a long time, and and

764
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: they're just not one of these coaches that keep going

765
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: from team the team, the team, the team, and like,

766
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: as a player, you know, he just went to that

767
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: team you lost. You went to that team you lost.

768
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: When did that team? Now you're coaching me? Are you

769
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: really that good of a coach? You've lost everywhere you went.

770
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: If I was a player and I sucked at every

771
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: place I've been, I wouldn't be in the league. Are

772
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: you talking about dr Reverse or you try? Just no, no, no, no,

773
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: what you say that to me? I'm not talking about Doc.

774
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: Let's talking about a lot of other coaches. Okay, um, no, no,

775
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I just I do wonder.

776
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: Let's say the Bucks don't win this series against Boston,

777
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: is there any shine off Darvin Aam and the Bucks

778
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: coaching staff and boden Holzer, because let's let's remember they

779
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of got lucky last year. Kyrie Irving injured in

780
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: the series when the Nets were up to nothing and rolling.

781
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to take away the title. I

782
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: mean I took it away from the Raptors. That one's obvious.

783
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, I don't know how much

784
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: of it is Darvin Ham and the relationship with Jannice

785
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: that matters, versus how is he as a coach or

786
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: or I don't know, you mentioned analytically. Can't you just

787
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: build a smart, nerdy analytics staff and then say, Darvin Ham,

788
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: you're kind of the enforcer. No, because you know, it's

789
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: so funny that Bucks fans hate me because I said

790
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. I said it was a big tour

791
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: away from getting eliminade. You think about that, you know,

792
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: they were in the right situations at the right time,

793
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: the same as Toronto. But that's what count Man is

794
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: about standing healthy because Johannice, you know, in that series

795
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: or the next series, that injury he got to his leg.

796
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: We thought he was a rap, but he came back.

797
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: But I also think you know, with with with from

798
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: knowing Darvin personally and and we're sitting around we're talking

799
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: about basketball. I think he won't. It's a difference when

800
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: you be an assistant coach and you have to live.

801
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, the head coach has the final decision. It's

802
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: his way of the highway, and sometimes even though you

803
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: might not like it, you will follow along with it.

804
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: And I think Darvin Hammond he would come up with

805
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: his own system. You know, he would do his own thing,

806
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: and he'd get to respect because at the end of

807
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: the day, in this dead age and this day and error,

808
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: you have to have the respect of the players. And

809
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: if the players respect you, they're gonna go out and

810
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: dive on the floor for you. They want to actually

811
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: show up to the arena and show up the practice.

812
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna be present and accountable. Yea, you have it,

813
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: Darvin m and the Lakers. I like it. I like it.

814
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: Robert Ory, congrats on the new podcast. It's called NBA

815
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: Finals File with Jabbari Davis. Uh, congrats, man, you're getting

816
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: in the podcast game, dude, that's awesome. Yeah, it's it's fun, man,

817
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: just to talk about basketball. It's always fine. You know,

818
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: when you walk away from the game, You're like, I

819
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: don't wanna up do anything else with basketball, and you

820
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, three months until you're like, damn,

821
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: I miss it, and then we're not able to go

822
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: play anymore because you know you, oh, you know, almost

823
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: fifty two came, run up and down the courting. The

824
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: more oh I missed that came. So this is the

825
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: way to stay near and dear and do deep dives.

826
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: And I just, you know, talk about it with my

827
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: kids and especially my young one who's sixteen playing in

828
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: high school ball, so it's it's fun. By the way,

829
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: Are you playing in any leagues at all anymore? Or no?

830
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: I used to play before the pandemic, was playing in

831
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: the Pasadena League and I have fun doing that and

832
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: every night and then I get some guy to come

833
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: at me and I'm like, dude, you realize I'm fifty five,

834
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm twice raised. You happy you beat the old man? Like,

835
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: but you played in the NBA. I like, yeah, but

836
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: I got to you when I was in twenty five.

837
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Were busting your heads right about now? I bet you

838
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: get a lot of that. I know. Lamon Murray uh

839
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: former Clippers great And he comes up to my gym

840
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: and he would get that all the time. So you know,

841
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: he saw me on some of the Fox shows, so

842
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: he would start talking trash to people. We're playing it, man,

843
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: you know you just realized, like, I know he's older,

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Speaker 1: but he's just sitting there hitting like thirty ft three

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Speaker 1: seconds nothing, And I imagine that's what you're doing in

846
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: the Pasadena League. Sometimes you come out and you catch

847
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: you in a good days. If I'm feeling good, I'm

848
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Speaker 1: shooting good. I talked a little trash then, especially get

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Speaker 1: a young guy, take him into post and abuse him

850
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Speaker 1: in the post, and they'd be like, I didn't know

851
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Speaker 1: you could post up, I said do. I was a

852
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Speaker 1: post a whole career until I got to the Lakers,

853
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Speaker 1: and you're wisely pivoted to be a being a marksman.

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Speaker 1: All right, Robert Ory, congrats again, thanks for taking the

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Speaker 1: time man, thanks for have me brother. Good luck with everything.