Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: and I'm Serena, and we are back to recap episode four.
Speaker 1: But before we do, we had it was honesty. It
Speaker 1: may have been the best Monday of all time.
Speaker 2: I know Bachelor Mondays are always a highlight in our
Speaker 2: day to day, but I think that this Monday took
Speaker 2: the cake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, having a wedding. So this past Monday, we were
Speaker 1: at Noah and Abigail's wedding in Tulsa, which the venue
Speaker 1: itself was one of the nicest wedding venues I think
Speaker 1: I've ever been.
Speaker 2: I agree, it was a perfect venue, perfect weather. And
Speaker 2: for those of you who may not know, Abigail and
Speaker 2: Noah met on season seven of Bachelor in Paradise, which
Speaker 2: is the same season that Joe and myself met on,
Speaker 2: and they have been together for a little over three
Speaker 2: years and have finally gotten married. We're so happy to
Speaker 2: be there. There's lots of Bachelor Nation friends and family
Speaker 2: in the mix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was nice seeing everyone. Ivan was there Tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Becka On, Thomas.
Speaker 2: Yep Anna and Chris Blake, Moyn's Chelsea, Serena c I
Speaker 2: think that's it. And if we missed anyone. We're so sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're sorry, but I'm sure we all hung out.
Speaker 1: I think that's everyone though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great group and we did three
Speaker 2: days of activities. We were able to go see their house,
Speaker 2: which if you follow them on Instagram, they have worked
Speaker 2: so hard on to remodel, redecorate. Yeah, and they're super
Speaker 2: proud of it. Was so beautiful and so exciting to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas just he really just kept admiring me the
Speaker 1: whole time. But that's a whole that's a whole other thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: Before before we do get into this recap, we had
Speaker 1: such a great conversation with Charles and we see that
Speaker 1: he he does go home, so we're going to bring
Speaker 1: him out real quick to have a quick little chat
Speaker 1: with Charles before we get into the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know how much you guys love Charles. We
Speaker 2: love him too. We were sad to see him go
Speaker 2: and his journey end, but we just want to touch
Speaker 2: base with him and see how he's feeling after his
Speaker 2: journey on the show's over. We hope this is the
Speaker 2: last we see of him, but we hope that you
Speaker 2: guys enjoy.
Speaker 1: Catching up with Charles all right, let's bring him in.
Speaker 2: Charles, thanks for coming back.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Serena.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Charles, were were you shocked to get sent home?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, why not?
Speaker 4: I sensed it as as I explained to you before,
Speaker 4: I have the data.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have the data.
Speaker 4: Why because I look around it and I assessed, to
Speaker 4: be honest, it's just between this time or the next session.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's but it's getting closer. I knew I
Speaker 4: was doing the writing.
Speaker 2: Were you sad that your time on the show was
Speaker 2: coming to an end?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a sense it is. But on the other hand,
Speaker 4: you know, we the cast members, you know, we support
Speaker 4: each other, but we don't compete each other in a sense.
Speaker 4: We we are happy to see that as you know,
Speaker 4: at the end, Joan can only pick one gentleman, as
Speaker 4: you know that, and we'll be very happy whoever she's
Speaker 4: going to pick. And and I kind of sensed I'm
Speaker 4: not that one of the few final ones, whatever we
Speaker 4: believe or not.
Speaker 3: You know, that's my my data tells me.
Speaker 1: Do you think you built a friendship with Joan after
Speaker 1: all said and done? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much details on the show if
Speaker 4: you compare the first time I met Joan and the
Speaker 4: first time I drank you know, tea with her to
Speaker 4: the end, you know, when she hugged that, I didn't
Speaker 4: receive the roles. Actually, yeah, we had a boundering and
Speaker 4: we liked each other. But as you know, like each
Speaker 4: other is one thing, to love each other is another thing.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of you're not happy for John, you know,
Speaker 4: she continues her journey to find that, you know, the
Speaker 4: best one she really loves, you know, so even though
Speaker 4: we don't know yet, but I'm happy for her, and
Speaker 4: I'm happy for the lucky one, you know, in the end.
Speaker 1: If if you, Charles, can give Joan a piece of
Speaker 1: advice when you left, what would it be.
Speaker 4: Cool with your own decision? You know, follow your heart
Speaker 4: and don't hesitate. Don't be you know, kind of confused
Speaker 4: because a lot of you know, gorgeous man in front
Speaker 4: of her, but she can only pick one and don't
Speaker 4: hesitate and follow her heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charles, we have you back here today because people
Speaker 2: are so sad that you won't be on the show anymore.
Speaker 2: You were such a star. Were you expecting this outpour
Speaker 2: of love for you or was this a surprise.
Speaker 4: It is a surprise, you know, as you know, I
Speaker 4: hear lots of fantastic fans. You know, I love them
Speaker 4: and I thank them for the support. Of course they
Speaker 4: want to I guess they want to see me continue
Speaker 4: and continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want more Charles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the reality is the reality, you know, at
Speaker 4: a certain time, Unfortunately, you know, there's a one guy
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 3: It seems like a probably Joan loves more than to Charles.
Speaker 4: So so it's okay, you know, but my part is
Speaker 4: a little bit the intersaid feeling as well.
Speaker 1: You know, do you think you would ever be able
Speaker 1: to do what Joan did be in her position and
Speaker 1: let's just say it was thirty women in Charles.
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about it yet, but if that opportunity rises.
Speaker 1: Why not? Okay, I like that.
Speaker 2: Leaving the show, what is your favorite memory or takeaway lesson?
Speaker 4: You know, the kind of you know, the way Joan
Speaker 4: talks things. She's very quick and smart. You know, I
Speaker 4: really give her credit on that. You know, she has
Speaker 4: to deal with twenty four men at the very beginning.
Speaker 4: I don't know how she remembers all the information that
Speaker 4: she's talked about, or she's going to talk about.
Speaker 3: So that's one thing. Second is the brotherihood.
Speaker 4: You know, we build in the mansion and around the mansion,
Speaker 4: you know during the even group days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you think, how do you think this show,
Speaker 1: after all said and done, is going to impact your
Speaker 1: life moving forward?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Of course, you know. First of all, I think it's
Speaker 4: a big jump in a sense. As you know, at
Speaker 4: the very beginning, I was still sad in a sense,
Speaker 4: and after joining the program, I open up myself. I
Speaker 4: expressed my sorrows, and my cast members kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: encouraged me and pat my shoulders say Charles, it's okay.
Speaker 4: You know, we know it's sad, but it's also okay
Speaker 4: to move on, you know when when opportunity knocks.
Speaker 3: You know on my door. That that kind of fitting
Speaker 3: and the excitement I had during the show as well.
Speaker 2: Well, you are single. You did not end up with Joan.
Speaker 2: Are you dating? What are you looking for when it
Speaker 2: comes to women?
Speaker 3: Uh, this is a million dollar question. You know.
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm traveling. You know, I focused on
Speaker 4: travel at this moment, but when I returned back to
Speaker 4: the States, I have to check certain accounts to to
Speaker 4: assess the information and messages and hopefully I will summarize
Speaker 4: against some data and I will make a kind of
Speaker 4: very quicker decision what I should do next.
Speaker 2: I like, hey, Charles, got to check the DMS.
Speaker 1: I like that, Charles, that's good. Anywhere else on your
Speaker 1: on your on your travel list that you're going, that's
Speaker 1: fun that you could tell.
Speaker 4: Us, Yes, you know, yeah, talking about the travel plans. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll return to LA for another program. I think AC
Speaker 4: called to mentell all and I'll be very very happy
Speaker 4: to see my cast members and friends all over again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll look forward to that.
Speaker 1: Do you and the guys have any plans for after that?
Speaker 1: You guys going to do like a big dinner or
Speaker 1: go out or anything like that. Maybe go have some beers.
Speaker 4: Well, in the mention, we joke about whoever got married,
Speaker 4: we'll all go there. So that's the first thing, you know,
Speaker 4: I hope I'll get an answer all around that time,
Speaker 4: you know, if that if really is going to happen. Second,
Speaker 4: of course, you know what will hug will love maybe.
Speaker 3: Also with tears, you know, because we miss each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys, you know you're pretty Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: you're pretty close to Las Vegas. Would you guys maybe
Speaker 1: go do like a Vegas trip?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why not? We would love to have Yeah,
Speaker 3: we will even you know, thinking about to.
Speaker 4: A little island in a nearby Okay, yeah, if that happens,
Speaker 4: that'd be great.
Speaker 2: Well, if you guys go to Vegas, Joe is gonna
Speaker 2: want you to invite him, so keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: Charles, thank you so much for hopping back on and
Speaker 1: just watching you go through your journey. And you know
Speaker 1: the impact that had on you, but also your impact
Speaker 1: on others. I think it's really lifted a lot of
Speaker 1: people and just brought some happiness into the world. So
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you and everything you've done.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and please tell you know the fans there,
Speaker 4: you know, Charles missed them and Charles wanted to thank
Speaker 4: them for their love and support.
Speaker 1: I will in any any single Ladies, you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna be entered into Charles' spreadsheet and he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna figure it out, He's gonna assess the situation. Charles,
Speaker 1: Thank you again so much. Charles l what a gem.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna get see him at mental all
Speaker 1: but so happy for him.
Speaker 2: To come on I know, I'm so happy we have
Speaker 2: mental hell to kind of reunite with all the men.
Speaker 2: But I think it's time we get into our episode
Speaker 2: before recap.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: So first group date we've got. I feel like this
Speaker 2: is kind of becoming like a Bachelor Nation favorite date.
Speaker 2: Like it's similar to the shopping date, the strip Tuesday.
Speaker 2: This is, you know, the second or third time we've
Speaker 2: seen it in a few seasons. It's always a good time,
Speaker 2: always fun for the lead. I feel like too, to
Speaker 2: just get to sit watch and it's flirty and it's energetic.
Speaker 2: And we've got Caitlin Bristow. What were you saying, Bristow Bristow,
Speaker 2: Caitlin Bristow, We've gotst We've got KB Caitlin Bristow making
Speaker 2: a cameo hosting this date. She's always really good at these.
Speaker 2: She's really good at hosting dates on The Bachelor, Like
Speaker 2: I never I never get sick of her doing these. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they are teaming up with Stand Up to Cancer
Speaker 2: to bear it all to your doctor when it comes
Speaker 2: to your health.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could see all the guys were very
Speaker 1: they they were very excited to do it for Stand
Speaker 1: Up for Cancer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like their enthusiasm when they found out
Speaker 2: they were going to be doing like a Chippendale stripper
Speaker 2: date was pretty low understandably, you know, they're like sixty.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't know if I want to get
Speaker 2: up on stage and strip down.
Speaker 1: See that's why I think you're wrong. I think low key.
Speaker 1: They really wanted to and then they then they heard
Speaker 1: it was for cancer, and they're like, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: won't even feel embarrassed about it. Now I could really
Speaker 1: go all over. Really, that's what I think.
Speaker 2: Well, the the partnering with cancer I think is very
Speaker 2: fitting too because Joan, along with a lot of the men,
Speaker 2: lost their spouses to cancer. So we love, we love
Speaker 2: a cause, we love a good cause. Who were your
Speaker 2: standouts when it came to the dancing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think Jonathan he uh, the guys
Speaker 1: just in great shape, so he was like he actually
Speaker 1: looked like a stripper.
Speaker 2: I feel like he was, like, I was shocked when
Speaker 2: he said he hadn't done it before.
Speaker 1: When they called out the the older Chippendale guys, Jonathan
Speaker 1: could have been one of those guys.
Speaker 2: The older Tripadale guys looked great too, But that's what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like Jonathan, in my opinion, I think would
Speaker 1: have could have fit in with those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really good. He was definitely a standout.
Speaker 2: I also thought that Gary did a really good job.
Speaker 2: He kind of like I think he was wearing like
Speaker 2: some surally professor cos his shirt ripped his shirt open.
Speaker 2: Chalk said something really nice just that like he wasn't
Speaker 2: super comfortable, but the day wasn't about him, it was
Speaker 2: about doing something for others. And I thought that was
Speaker 2: really sweet. I thought that was a good message to
Speaker 2: kind of ring throughout the episode of doing something for
Speaker 2: other people even when you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also kind of you like you have
Speaker 1: to say something, you know, Yeah, what you have to like,
Speaker 1: you have to do something like you can't just be
Speaker 1: Nobody likes the person that just doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: there and doesn't give it one hundred percent effort. That's
Speaker 1: why I would That's why I would be so bad
Speaker 1: at this, because I would really fight against doing it
Speaker 1: or trying, and then people would be like, well, we
Speaker 1: all gave it one hundred percent and this asshole gave
Speaker 1: it fifty percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you know what it would be so interesting
Speaker 2: to see you go on the bacherette and make it
Speaker 2: further because you never had to do group dates. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you had a hard time with one on one
Speaker 2: date activities when we were on the Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine you like on a group date.
Speaker 1: No, I'm too I'm too in my hat and I
Speaker 1: get too much, too much of a baby, and I
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. So yeah, I'm one
Speaker 1: of those one of those people. I'm the worst. But
Speaker 1: like overall, yeah, I think it was a fun date,
Speaker 1: and I think I think a lot of the guys
Speaker 1: were moving better than jon't even expect it, and it
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I agree. Another standout has to be Keith because he
Speaker 2: just showed not only so much enthusiasm for the activity,
Speaker 2: he has been a lifelong dreamer of wanting to be
Speaker 2: a Chippendale dancer.
Speaker 1: Which he also stuck his head in between her legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's gonna stand out for sure.
Speaker 1: That was funny because that was funny, just like Caitlyn's reaction,
Speaker 1: I was like, what what is exactly going on?
Speaker 2: But I thought it was so fun. I love that
Speaker 2: he got into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like living his best life up there.
Speaker 2: And honestly, Caitlin's reaction made all of the dancing so
Speaker 2: much funnier because she was just shocked by everything that
Speaker 2: was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then your guy Chock, he bear it it all.
Speaker 2: Chalk bared it all. I feel like he was one
Speaker 2: of the people that was on the more uncomfortable side.
Speaker 2: Like if we're on a scale, like Jonathan and Keith
Speaker 2: were the most comfortable, and then I would say Chalk
Speaker 2: was maybe the least comfortable with the activity, but you.
Speaker 1: Could tell chesso Chalk he's a successful businessman. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think a very successful businessman. And usually, like those guys,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter like how uncomfortable they are. He gets it done,
Speaker 1: and he gets it done and he does it well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's like I might not like this, but
Speaker 2: I'm still going to show up and get an A
Speaker 2: plus plus for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's why I'm envious of him, because if
Speaker 1: I would be like, all right, I'm just gonna get
Speaker 1: it done too, but I wouldn't pull it off. And
Speaker 1: that's the difference. Chalk did pull it off.
Speaker 2: He pulled it off. He crashed it. He showed up
Speaker 2: in his businessman's suit. He shook his ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we see it.
Speaker 2: We dance up on Joel and ten out of ten. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: If you had to give out a group date Rose
Speaker 2: just on performance alone from the Chippendale's beard all day,
Speaker 2: who would get your rose?
Speaker 1: Uh? My Rose would solely go to the same person
Speaker 1: every week, and that would be Pascal, because I find
Speaker 1: I find him so funny every day he talks.
Speaker 2: I barely remember Pascal on that stage. Yo.
Speaker 1: No, he did he he he moved, he had he
Speaker 1: has abs and everything.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I know, I do remember because he
Speaker 2: was like, y, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Show off my mind. Pascal is the oldest guy in
Speaker 1: the house in.
Speaker 2: The he looks amazing. He is ripped, He's in great shape. No, no,
Speaker 2: I do, I take it back. I do remember Pascal.
Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm gonna give it to. I
Speaker 2: mean Mark was great, Chalk was great. I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: it to Gary. I just like Gary. And I feel
Speaker 2: like we see a lot of his interviews but and
Speaker 2: his conversations with Joan. But I feel like we saw
Speaker 2: more of his personality on this date and just him
Speaker 2: being silly and you know.
Speaker 1: I like that, that's sure.
Speaker 2: Also thought it was great that they ended off the
Speaker 2: date with making a donation to the charity. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's got a great message. It touches home with
Speaker 2: Joan and a lot of the other contestants, as well
Speaker 2: as probably a lot of people watching. So, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're going to strip, do it for a good cause.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. I could see a lot of
Speaker 1: them continuing this work because so many of them were
Speaker 1: affected by it, and honestly, they had so much fun
Speaker 1: doing it that I could see after the show a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, shout out to Stand Up to Cancer. If
Speaker 2: you guys are loving the state as much as we
Speaker 2: are and you feel compelled to either donate or get
Speaker 2: involved with Stand Up to Cancer in any way. It's
Speaker 2: a great cause and you can find more information online
Speaker 2: at Bachelor Nation dot com.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: Okay, the night portion of this date, Joe talks about
Speaker 2: Joan talks about John, her late husband, being diagnosed with
Speaker 2: cancer and what that experience was like finding out on
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. And I feel like the standout on this
Speaker 2: night portion was really mark for obvious reasons. I mean,
Speaker 2: his wife passed away due to cancer as well, and
Speaker 2: they were really able to kind of connect over that,
Speaker 2: and I feel like he was able to just relate
Speaker 2: to her and be like just someone to lean on
Speaker 2: when it comes to her grieving process and what it
Speaker 2: means to be searching for love again after you've lost
Speaker 2: your spouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be like with such a horrible situation,
Speaker 1: it has to be nice to find someone that you
Speaker 1: can relate to and just be able to talk to
Speaker 1: about it. And Mark is like that guy you could
Speaker 1: tell like he is like a girl dad, and he
Speaker 1: listens and he's just like he's just like a genuinely
Speaker 1: nice person.
Speaker 2: Not to compare Joey Kelsey's fiance and Mark kelsey zad
Speaker 2: right now, but they very similar. They are two men
Speaker 2: that we've seen on this show that are so good
Speaker 2: at both listening to what someone is saying and what
Speaker 2: they're going through and giving like the opposite of just
Speaker 2: like a generic response, like a really thoughtful, passionate response,
Speaker 2: like both sharing their own experience but also like validing
Speaker 2: their feelings, like giving them advice if that's what they're
Speaker 2: looking for, Like just very emotionally in tune when it
Speaker 2: comes to these more in depth conversations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for Kelsey, and Kelsey's.
Speaker 2: Rated it too. I just feel like like Joey and
Speaker 2: Mark have both really exemplified that quality.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's jump over to after this group day. We
Speaker 2: don't no one gets a rose the date she doesn't
Speaker 2: give out a group date rose. I feel like all
Speaker 2: the conversations we see she has are great. We see
Speaker 2: her talk to Chalk and the date went well and
Speaker 2: the night went well. We see Chalk at the mansion
Speaker 2: on the phone, and I feel like he had mentioned
Speaker 2: when he was talking to Joe like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 2: to get to talk to my mom soon. So I
Speaker 2: kind of thought that that's where maybe that was going.
Speaker 2: But he finds out that his mom sadly passed away
Speaker 2: very early that morning. Yeah, it sounds like she was
Speaker 2: with family or loved ones, and it was a care
Speaker 2: taker that was on the phone with him letting him
Speaker 2: know what had happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Joan said, I mean, it's it's never it's
Speaker 1: never easy. It doesn't matter what age you are to
Speaker 1: hear that your your mother passed. So feel bad, so
Speaker 1: bad for Chock. And she understood that, like he had
Speaker 1: to leave, and we don't know as viewers, like we
Speaker 1: see at the end of the episode he comes back,
Speaker 1: but if viewers, we don't know if he's just gone
Speaker 1: for good. And it kind of seems a very similar
Speaker 1: similar way, a very similar situation to when Joan had
Speaker 1: to leave Gary season, but the difference here. So when
Speaker 1: Joan left Gary season, I was like, oh, Gary seems
Speaker 1: to really be into her. I think she likes him.
Speaker 1: But when Chock left.
Speaker 2: It was also only week three where we're now at
Speaker 2: week four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Chock leaving, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, and Chalk had like the first one on one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this was the first time I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're they really like each other, Like the feelings are mutual.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like once more into the other, like
Speaker 1: they actually seem to be going places. So then in
Speaker 1: my head I'm like, oh, I actually, you know, I
Speaker 1: hope he comes back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I remember we kind of felt that way
Speaker 2: about Joan two was we were wondering if maybe in
Speaker 2: like a week or two, she would show back up,
Speaker 2: because it felt like she was going to go home
Speaker 2: support her daughter, and then there was a chance that
Speaker 2: she returned just because her and Gary did seem to
Speaker 2: have a really strong connection, and obviously that never happened.
Speaker 2: But Chalk leaving, yeah, I didn't know if he was
Speaker 2: going to come back or not. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: he said the passing of his mom wasn't a surprise.
Speaker 2: He didn't come out of know where. He was aware
Speaker 2: when he left that she was declining. They just obviously
Speaker 2: you never have any idea really how rapidly that's going
Speaker 2: to happen. So not a shock, but obviously still devastating news.
Speaker 2: So he went home to kind of help his family,
Speaker 2: be with his family, prepare any arrangements that need to
Speaker 2: be made. I don't know how long exactly he was gone.
Speaker 1: For, but probably probably a few days. But I will
Speaker 1: say like he seems like a very sincere man, and
Speaker 1: him coming back also just kind of shows us how
Speaker 1: real this experience is for him and how much he
Speaker 1: really likes Joan, because think about it, you know, if
Speaker 1: he laughed, I'm sure if he was at that into Joan,
Speaker 1: I'm sure when he got home he would have probably
Speaker 1: come to that realization. So for him coming back to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, they might end up together.
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree in the sense of, like if
Speaker 2: I'm him, like I'm only hauling my ass back to
Speaker 2: the mansion, if I'm really into the person, or like
Speaker 2: it's going somewhere like maybe I don't know if she's
Speaker 2: the one yet or if I'm the strongest connection there,
Speaker 2: but like there's got to at least be some serious
Speaker 2: potential and reassurance if I'm gonna leave my family in
Speaker 2: this time of loss and grieving to go back on
Speaker 2: tell vision after I've just lost my mom to continue
Speaker 2: dating this woman. Yeah, and in the truly, if it
Speaker 2: was not going on between them, like I don't think
Speaker 2: he would have come back.
Speaker 1: And then from Joan's point of view, it's got to
Speaker 1: put him like so much I don't want to like
Speaker 1: further ahead than the other guys because like, this guy
Speaker 1: came back, so now she knows, she knows that he
Speaker 1: really likes her, which is probably just gonna help her
Speaker 1: her feelings just move quicker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's reassuring for her to see that he has
Speaker 2: kind of put what's going on in his personal life
Speaker 2: on hold for the time being to continue this journey
Speaker 2: in pursuing her, which I think is very romantic and
Speaker 2: I think it intensifies their relationship and probably makes their
Speaker 2: feelings stronger. I also would take him a lot more
Speaker 2: seriously if I was young or if yeah, if I
Speaker 2: was Joan, because I'm gonna look at him and be like, okay,
Speaker 2: like he's really put his life on hold to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And now you know their conversations are going to
Speaker 1: be more in depth and a little more heavier because
Speaker 1: of something like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they are also probably something bonded through it
Speaker 2: in the way that she has supported him and been
Speaker 2: there for him in a time of grief, which I
Speaker 2: think connects people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious to see where that relationship goes, because
Speaker 2: it's definitely just due to this incident, surpassed probably quite
Speaker 2: a few people in the house.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, But we do have We do
Speaker 1: have a few one on one dates this episode.
Speaker 2: Some quickie one on ones. We got Jordan, who I
Speaker 2: really like Jordan. I've liked him the whole time. He
Speaker 2: seems great.
Speaker 1: I like Jordan too, and I think she really likes him.
Speaker 2: I do think so too. I think that they have
Speaker 2: a connection for sure.
Speaker 1: That we're at the point of the season now where
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the rest of the guys that are
Speaker 1: here in Jordan being one of them, and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is all starting to make sense.
Speaker 2: Like you feel like the front Runners are falling into place. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I think, at the beginning of every season,
Speaker 1: there's just so much going on that you don't really
Speaker 1: even get the fully understand or see how the lead
Speaker 1: actually feels about these people, Like you see it in
Speaker 1: bits and pieces. But now we're starting to see it
Speaker 1: just in longer segments, and I'm like, okay, like Joan
Speaker 1: talking to Jordan, I'm like, okay, I'm buying into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I agree. You're just seeing longer
Speaker 2: clips of them connecting, and you're starting to get a
Speaker 2: taste of like where the relationships are at. I feel
Speaker 2: like the first few weeks it's just like you said,
Speaker 2: like snippets of conversations, and now you're like, oh, her
Speaker 2: and Jordan are actually they really like each other? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like this could potentially get serious.
Speaker 1: I think a big thing for for Joan, and I
Speaker 1: would assume for a lot of these guys too, is
Speaker 1: going to be about like are you willing to move?
Speaker 1: Where do you live? Can we can we have a
Speaker 1: long term, long distance relationship. I think that's going to
Speaker 1: play a big part too in her decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting because I feel like the conversation
Speaker 2: on Bachelor and Bauchelrette is always like, do you want kids?
Speaker 2: Can you move with your job? What are your goals
Speaker 2: in the future, Like how do you see the next
Speaker 2: five ten years of your life playing out? Do you
Speaker 2: want a family? And the conversations when it comes to
Speaker 2: like deal breakers here always the same but different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like still about family, and it's still about location,
Speaker 2: and it's still somewhat about work if they're still working.
Speaker 2: But just jump it like fifty years ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: But Jordan was a really good sport. I cannot believe
Speaker 2: he ended up on a date that's a skating date
Speaker 2: when he doesn't know how to skate. That's actually really
Speaker 2: nerve racking.
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, I don't think so, I actually
Speaker 1: think it's I actually think a place to your benefit?
Speaker 2: Really what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you could, it's you can make fun of yourself.
Speaker 1: It's not like not everyone it's not like it's like walk,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like every not everyone knows not everyone
Speaker 1: knows how to skate. So you could have fun with it,
Speaker 1: You could play with it, especially if she knows how
Speaker 1: to skate.
Speaker 2: That's true. And you know what, I think it speaks
Speaker 2: to his personality being able to laugh at himself and
Speaker 2: not take it so seriously and get like mad and
Speaker 2: embarrassed that he doesn't know what he's doing. Like that
Speaker 2: makes it more fun.
Speaker 1: And I also think it makes him stand out a
Speaker 1: little bit because she looks at him as being like
Speaker 1: a very athletic guy and probably good at most things.
Speaker 1: So then to see him like out of his element,
Speaker 1: out of his element, and yeah, you just see like
Speaker 1: another side of him that you just you just learn more,
Speaker 1: and if you learn more, you end up liking them more,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I agree. And then the second one on my date
Speaker 2: we have is guy. He's on a cooking baking date.
Speaker 2: They kind of connect on like how family dinners are
Speaker 2: really important and how she has kind of started this
Speaker 2: tradition of Sunday night dinners at her place. Did you
Speaker 2: grow up with family dinners? What was your family dinner vibe?
Speaker 1: My grandmother, my Norwegian grandmother.
Speaker 2: Who was married to an Italian and.
Speaker 1: Was married to Italian, did Italian Sunday dinners? Every Sunday
Speaker 1: until I was, like, I want to say, they kind
Speaker 1: of stopped once. I probably probably after eighth grade. At
Speaker 1: least I dipped out after eighth grade.
Speaker 2: Out you stopped going after eight I'm actually surprised you made.
Speaker 1: It that while you know what, guys, I'm out. I'm
Speaker 1: a freshman now.
Speaker 2: I actually remember after your grandmother passed, one of your
Speaker 2: aunts messaged and said that she was going to host
Speaker 2: a Sunday dinner on your grandma's and your grandma's honor.
Speaker 1: Sure, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Sure that did happen. We just don't live there, so
Speaker 2: we didn't go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, she made the best, the best meatballs.
Speaker 1: But I do. I I believe in that. Like I
Speaker 1: think having like a family dinner once a week is
Speaker 1: really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my parents are always pretty big on sitting down
Speaker 2: and having dinner together. Yeah, they were like, even if
Speaker 2: like sometimes it's in front of the TV, like just
Speaker 2: sitting down and eating a meal together.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's very important to have dinner, like
Speaker 1: a sit down dinner every night. Like I think you
Speaker 1: should take time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should definitely eat pot lunch.
Speaker 1: Listen, Serena. My point is I believe that you should
Speaker 1: always have like a nice I think it's important to
Speaker 1: have a nice dinner every night. I think rushing dinner
Speaker 1: is a mistake. Why because life short and it's like
Speaker 1: it's like, just make it nice. You could have, you know,
Speaker 1: nice dinner. And I'm not saying you have to go
Speaker 1: out to a nice restaurant, but you can have a
Speaker 1: nice dinner at home.
Speaker 2: We do take dinner pretty seriously, but we always sit
Speaker 2: down and have a nice dinner.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, Guy Guy in jone. Okay, so Guy
Speaker 1: was one of my final four guys. I like him.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm seeing between those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it's I can't tell yet because I
Speaker 2: like Guy and I think that they get a long while.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I saw like the chemistry
Speaker 2: when they were like cooking together and but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like more of a friendship.
Speaker 1: That well that yeah, but that's that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I'm getting, getting more more friendship vibes.
Speaker 2: Friendship vibes. Yeah, I don't know if it's feeling overly romantic.
Speaker 2: She just doesn't seem as giddy around him. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: some of the other guys.
Speaker 1: And Guy, I remember really stood out because I really
Speaker 1: liked his his limbo entrance, and I saw that I
Speaker 1: thought like it seemed like so that sparked that I
Speaker 1: thought that I saw night one, I don't necessarily see anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with you on that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I like him and I like to the date.
Speaker 2: I thought the cooking day it was cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we could definitely be wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you can always be wrong. This is
Speaker 2: just we're just speculating. Okay, let's go to the Rose
Speaker 2: ceremony slash cocktail hardy. I think the big event of
Speaker 2: this is obviously Chalk comes back.
Speaker 1: Yep, which we basically touched on when we talked about
Speaker 1: him bang. But I but like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: To me, it's it's like it's giving charity in Dotten like.
Speaker 2: Well, we also we also just saw a lot of
Speaker 2: Chalk and Jones relationship this episode, like way more than
Speaker 2: we have in any other episode. And also just like
Speaker 2: way more we've seen, Like I would say at this point,
Speaker 2: just from this episode, we've seen Chalk and Joe more
Speaker 2: than any other couple. Yeah, So I don't know if
Speaker 2: that will like change as the episodes go on and
Speaker 2: we see her with like Jordan Moore and some of
Speaker 2: the other but I.
Speaker 1: Will say, out of all the one on one so
Speaker 1: far this season, the one that I remember is Chalk's.
Speaker 1: Oh actually no, I also remember Pascal's. But there is
Speaker 1: just there's a difference between how I think she feels
Speaker 1: about Pascal and how I think she feels about Truck.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's for sure. But another stand out I
Speaker 2: would say is Keith and her conversation. Just I feel
Speaker 2: like they had such a strong start and he was
Speaker 2: just one of the people that came in very confident
Speaker 2: and very natural, and they bonded over loving the beach
Speaker 2: and they were playing games and it was so fun.
Speaker 2: And he just totally panicked in this episode, like he
Speaker 2: was like tripping over his words. I was like, what
Speaker 2: is happening. I've never seen someone go into like anxious
Speaker 2: panic mode like week four.
Speaker 1: Will you know what? I think?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: And I think I'm I think I'm pretty right on this.
Speaker 1: Keith is a social butterfly. He's seems to be. You
Speaker 1: could just tell he's one of those guys that he's
Speaker 1: just great in a crowd. He's great around a lot
Speaker 1: of people. He's personal he's charismatic. He he knows how
Speaker 1: to how to work the crowd, and I think, like
Speaker 1: somebody like Keith Shines night one, when there's everyone's there,
Speaker 1: it's hectic, there's a lot going on. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you put him in a situation that he hasn't he's
Speaker 1: not used to at all, or at least it's probably
Speaker 1: been a while to where he set up like a
Speaker 1: romantic picnic date for a woman, and I think he
Speaker 1: just realized how vulnerable he felt in that moment. And
Speaker 1: then I think he got in his head and I
Speaker 1: think it was just straight paniced. You nailed it, and
Speaker 1: that that's what I think happened. So that's why I'm like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like because we know you, like you said, you
Speaker 1: never really see that like week four. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: just think it was just because he hasn't been in
Speaker 1: that situation. We're only seeing him on group dates, you know,
Speaker 1: you're seeing him in the and he's probably he's a
Speaker 1: guy's guy, you could tell, Like I think all those
Speaker 1: things that I think what it was like in the moment,
Speaker 1: like you panic, But the good thing is she didn't
Speaker 1: send them home.
Speaker 2: She didn't send them home, Yeah, which I would have
Speaker 2: been surprised if she did, because he was.
Speaker 1: I thought she was sending home because of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing I was wondering is, you know,
Speaker 2: he definitely put himself out there to kind of make
Speaker 2: a romantic moment that just seemed to fall through. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if I felt like she was maybe
Speaker 2: like maybe he felt like she wasn't reciprocating those romantic
Speaker 2: feelings that he was trying to put out there, and
Speaker 2: that was also feeding into the anxiety. Like He's another
Speaker 2: one where I feel like loved him from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Literally in the beginning, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like she could totally end up with this guy, And
Speaker 2: now I'm wondering if they've fallen into more friendship than romance.
Speaker 2: But I could also just be going off this one
Speaker 2: incident where the date just kind of didn't really hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's just I just feel like, at this point
Speaker 1: of the season, if a date doesn't hit, it's not great.
Speaker 1: It's not great.
Speaker 2: I like Keith, I like too. We will see, but
Speaker 2: we say goodbye to some favorites. I mean, the guys
Speaker 2: are so great. It's at this part getting really hard
Speaker 2: to say goodbye to them. But the four people that
Speaker 2: were sent home were Gary, Dan, Charles, and Gil Gary.
Speaker 2: I feel like, really, what was the second name you said? Gary? Dan?
Speaker 1: Oh? Dan?
Speaker 2: Who Dan? We had on our podcast.
Speaker 1: Ye. Dan's such a nice guy.
Speaker 2: We loved Dan. He has a wild story. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: it was sad to see him go. And Gary. I
Speaker 2: don't think I know if I ever really felt it
Speaker 2: from Joan for Gary, but I felt like Gary was
Speaker 2: really emotionally invested in the relationship and really putting his
Speaker 2: heart out there for Joan.
Speaker 1: He was also just like a good energy, high energy guy.
Speaker 1: Like to me, the guys that went home now are
Speaker 1: going to affect the other guys in the house so
Speaker 1: much more, like.
Speaker 2: Like losing Gary and Charles is a huge hit for
Speaker 2: like the vibes in the house for the group, because
Speaker 2: like Charles is out here teaching tai chi in the
Speaker 2: morning by the pool, Gary's out here ripping his shirt
Speaker 2: off during the stripper date making everyone laugh. Like he
Speaker 2: just seems like he's a.
Speaker 1: Total You're losing big personalities and this is the time
Speaker 1: of the show where now everyone's like, Okay, it's getting serious.
Speaker 1: Why my hair again? Because yeah, yeah, definitely, I think
Speaker 1: that's what's happening.
Speaker 2: And it's just like less and less guys to do
Speaker 2: Pascal's laundry and make his food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we also do see in the teaser I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see, but it looks like Pascal gets
Speaker 1: involved in some shit too.
Speaker 2: Yeah well, we will have to stay tuned to see
Speaker 2: how that plays out next week, and you guys will
Speaker 2: have to stay tuned to listen to our interview with
Speaker 2: Mark coming up.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Bye,