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Speaker 3: much welcome into this global cabal. Technically we are a

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Speaker 3: global cabal. As we record this evening, you listening at home,

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Speaker 3: some of us in the US, some of us abroad.

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Speaker 3: End together we are diving into hidden history. It's a

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Speaker 3: controversial story in history always is. We are talking about

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Speaker 3: a rare genre of object that has for many decades now,

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Speaker 3: perhaps millennia, depending on who you ask. Fascinated archaeologist, ancient astronaut, theorist,

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Speaker 3: creationist like biblical creationist, and skeptics alike, all at the

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Speaker 3: same time. I kid you not the Eca stones. They're

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Speaker 3: kind of like a care character actor in the world

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Speaker 3: of conspiracy. Like if you heard the phrase, you might

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Speaker 3: not immediately recognize it, but if you saw one of

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Speaker 3: these stones, your memory would flash back to maybe a

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Speaker 3: BBC documentary to maybe Eric von Danikin's Chariot of the

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Speaker 3: Gods question mark, which is the title.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys remember hearing about this stuff?

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Speaker 4: I do, and especially in the context of episode that

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Speaker 4: about some kind of supposed alien artifacts discs or like,

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Speaker 4: you know, things with hieroglyphs carved in portraying some alternate

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Speaker 4: history that may or may not have actually taken place,

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Speaker 4: the idea of anachartistic technology.

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Speaker 3: The troop of stones, that's the one. Yeah, Matt, do

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Speaker 3: you what about you? Man? Do you remember these?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a minute. It's been quite a minute,

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Speaker 6: but we've been fascinated by humans, that is the Incan

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Speaker 6: writing down things about it, right, and it hasn't been

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Speaker 6: the Incan Empire was, they are baffling. They are so

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Speaker 6: perfect in incredible ways, in ways that they should not

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Speaker 6: of us our fascination just flares up when it comes

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Speaker 6: to something like these specific stones, and we'll get into

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Speaker 6: exactly what they are.

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Speaker 3: How did they get there? How did you get here?

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Speaker 5: Well? How did I get here? I play man once in.

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Speaker 4: A lifetime is what these things would be if they

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Speaker 3: H Paul, forgive us our cold opens keep getting longer.

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Speaker 3: But that was gold. Here are the facts. We start

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Speaker 3: with Peru. When most people think of Peru, the modern

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Speaker 3: The Inca Empire first appeared in what we call Peru

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Speaker 3: is to your point, Matt, they're kind of the new

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Speaker 4: The Inca has developed that culture in the Andes region

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Speaker 3: It reminds me a little bit, guys, of the what

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Speaker 3: there may have been a pasperuvia. The point about diplomacy

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Speaker 3: this you're You're absolutely right, Nolan. I love that you

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Speaker 3: state of the Inca, spanned two thousand and five hundred

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Speaker 3: From to that other point about disparate groups being gathered

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Speaker 3: like they could have taught the Europeans some lessons. They

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Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting though, how Like culture is largely dictator

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Speaker 5: Like, it doesn't necessarily mean that because.

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Speaker 6: I just got his image in my mind of some

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Speaker 4: How I use point as a stand in for powerful.

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Speaker 4: But you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I hear the horses, and that's point actually there there.

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Speaker 3: You know, one of the big, one of the big

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Speaker 5: The bridle even I'm sure too, the bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that would be all kind of part of

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Speaker 6: Just before we get away from the agricultural stuff and

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Speaker 6: The innovations that were happening agriculturally in this part of

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Speaker 3: And for comparison, folks, to Matt's earlier point, eleven thousand

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Speaker 4: It just immediately makes me think of the Werner Herzog

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Speaker 6: And that is not to say that there are not

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Speaker 3: At Levy posit gentlemen, another prime mover of the success

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Speaker 2: To commit we still don't understand.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you were about to say, and I cut

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Speaker 6: Did he actually hold the door like that? I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 6: He?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It's like every time a new a new emperor

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Speaker 5: But you should just putting that out there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, No, thank you? Yes you should. You should

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Speaker 3: these inexplicable physical artifacts. Right, Machu Pichu. We were talking

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Speaker 4: I mean, it does make you think of the kind

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Speaker 3: Eric von denikin of course, like many people went straight

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Speaker 2: God, it would be cool, though, it would be.

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Speaker 3: So freaking cool. Everybody check out vibes, so also Steve

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Speaker 3: Bushemis and vibes. All right, this is not the point

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Speaker 5: Story, so is Cindy Laubern.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this all all, all of this brings oh

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Speaker 2: But the sophistication on that level, it's just it's cool.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, And this all brings us to a bizarre question

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Speaker 5: Eca not Inca, right, right, I see a.

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Speaker 4: The Eca Stones are a collection of stones that were

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Speaker 5: Yet the issue isn't so.

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Speaker 4: Much the stones themselves, but much like the dropbut stones

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Speaker 2: White walkers? Right, That's that's what's on there.

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Speaker 4: God, they never really justified that symbol that the White

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Speaker 2: Just just don't don't think about it.

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Speaker 5: End game. Game of Thrones not good.

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Speaker 4: So I've been rewatching it and it's really good, guys,

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Speaker 4: forward with that in mind. Sorry, Matt, you said White Walkers, Like,

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Speaker 4: And I think it's go to glow all that shame away,

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Speaker 3: Also, a therapist worth their salt would say, don't let

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Speaker 4: That I would also refer to something you bring up

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Speaker 4: Off and Ben, the sunk cost fallacy.

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Speaker 5: You're starting to feel like it sucks. Just walk away.

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Speaker 5: You'll feel better about it, I promise you.

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Speaker 4: Just don't feel like you got to see it through

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Speaker 4: the end, because it doesn't get better once it starts

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Speaker 7: So, oh boy, we're we're also folks, welcome backstage. We're

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Speaker 7: that show hanging out not related to our pursuit here

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Speaker 7: I remember texting about this. But proponents of the idea

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Speaker 7: Here's what the vast majority of archaeology would call nuts

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Speaker 7: Each of them have what are called motifs carbon images,

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Speaker 7: But what are pal Lor and Voclobama call actual facts dinosaurs?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like depictions of dinosaurs that I remember from my childhood.

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Speaker 4: triceratops here is like classic.

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00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 5: Children's book triceratops depiction.

439
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: And the thing that's interesting is if we were gonna

440
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: take this as a as a record of history, wouldn't

441
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: these dinosaurs not to be all Jurassic parking about it,

442
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 4: but wouldn't these dinosaurs have feathers? Like if these were

443
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 4: like the true dinosaurs that walk the earth. I don't know,

444
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: I just remember that being a thing.

445
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: Also real quick, plesiosaur I should show that up plesiosaur

446
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: is offered as a cryptozoological explanation for the purported existence

447
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: of NeSSI the luckedest sponsor. But the plesiosaur is not

448
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: a dinosaur. We are fun at parties?

449
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: What is it?

450
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 5: It's true?

451
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 6: Man?

452
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, man, I mean I'm.

453
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: A reptile that doesn't count as a dinosaur. I think

454
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: they're fair asaup terrig or something like that.

455
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: Gotcha, guess I'm I can think google it if you

456
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: have make signistiction with my potential history. But like Matt,

457
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: I mean, you really hit it on the head. The

458
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: stegosaurus here, like the plates depicted on its back, it

459
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 4: is like the stuff of like literal children's books about

460
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: how fun dinosaurs are.

461
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: It's kind of wild.

462
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: It's quite accessible, and I think that's what we're hitting on, right.

463
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: And if that's not enough. These stones also, because there

464
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: are many many, there are thousands of these, they also

465
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: appear to at times depict advanced technology, the usage of

466
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: something that could be interpreted as a telescope, medical procedures

467
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: like c sections, maybe a heart transplant in a culture

468
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: that we'll just get in front of this, folks, we

469
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: know about you know, blood, magic and all that stuff.

470
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 3: It's what is being depicted there seems much more medicinal

471
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: in nature than it does sacrificial in nature.

472
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

473
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 6: So when were these things found?

474
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: Ah? That's where we get to a little bit of

475
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: a rabbit hole, right, because we know we know when

476
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: the primary proponent of these ideas encountered them, and that's

477
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty six. We don't know when the first

478
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: modern person modern as in like post Spanish conquest. We

479
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: don't know when the first person post fifteen hundreds found them,

480
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: which means we also don't know when they were lost

481
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: or buried or stored away. But we do know what

482
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: they look like. Most of them are pretty small. Most

483
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: of them are something you could hold in one or

484
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: two hands, summer tiny, like pebbles. A few of them

485
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: are outright boulders, like the biggest one is half a

486
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: meter in length. And the one thing they have in

487
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: common aside from these carvings, is that they are all

488
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: composed of a tremendously inconvenient type of volcanic rock called andesite.

489
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 5: What makes it inconvenient?

490
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 6: Man?

491
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: Is it?

492
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 5: Uh?

493
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 4: It does have to do with problems with actually verifying

494
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: the authenticity or dating them.

495
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: I would say one of the problems with dating them

496
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: is the unwillingness, uh to date them if we're I

497
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: know that sounds a little snarky, but from my understanding,

498
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: the issue with andesite, the reason it's an inconvenient rock

499
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: is that it's a pain in the ass to carve.

500
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: You see it, you'll break apart right the brittle Yeah,

501
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: maybe not so much riddle as in, uh, the nature

502
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: of the material makes it difficult to put sophisticated designs

503
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: into it, and maybe that breaks breaks the surface.

504
00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've seen it described as unyielding and flinty quote unquote, yeah, exactly.

505
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 6: And andesite is present in places like of some of

506
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: the stonework in Machu Pichu, some of the stone work

507
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 6: in Piasak or Pisac another one of these ruins that

508
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 6: has crazy carvings in and a site that just doesn't

509
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 6: make any dang sense. But just for this stone, it

510
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 6: makes sense for this to be one of the stones

511
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 6: that is, you know, primarily used in whatever this is.

512
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 6: If they're genuine artifacts, it makes a ton of sense.

513
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 6: But it is weird that they are that difficult to

514
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 6: work with.

515
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: Right, because we know, at least even without a written record,

516
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: we know that there were other stones in the roster

517
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: that could have been used.

518
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, carving granted, granted.

519
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, one of the things that humans have been carving

520
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 6: away at for a long time.

521
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: Granted. Is so hot right now, for the past several

522
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: thousand years, it's really.

523
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 5: Been I think it's I think it's cold places, it's

524
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 5: real up the cover.

525
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: Hang on a second, let's take a quick pause here,

526
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: hear a word from our sponsor, and then come back

527
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: to this discussion.

528
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: And we've returned. What's going on now?

529
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: Are you saying, Ben, that there were more convenient rocks

530
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: available at the time that maybe would have been more

531
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 4: conducive to making this kind of art in the time

532
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: that these are purported to have been created.

533
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, No, we're of course obviously, let's be honest, some

534
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: of us are related to sculptors of note. But it's

535
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: not like we finished this show and then you're.

536
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: Talking about none of the rest of us are awesome.

537
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 5: It's true.

538
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: We we did the Grand Industry at Alberton. If anybody

539
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: knows about the Georgia Kidstones, we did go visit some

540
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: of the folks there We've been to granite carving workshops

541
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: and it requires serious skill and the right tools to

542
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: get the job done. But yeah, I wanted to mention

543
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: Ben the anthracite. I looked this up and there's something

544
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 4: called the mos scale, which I was not aware of,

545
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: and it is a scale of mineral hardness. An anthracite

546
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: is a seven out of ten on the most scale and.

547
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 5: Site that is at a site. Yeah, excuse me, a

548
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 5: seven out of ten.

549
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Wow, that's why it's weird, guys.

550
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 6: I had this clear image while we were talking earlier

551
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 6: of whatever next human being thing is that we've discussed

552
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 6: on the show a couple of times, whether it's technology,

553
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 6: you know, a technological man or a highly evolved weird man.

554
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 6: But they show up and they're just digging through the

555
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 6: remnants of what we're once houses, and like they seem

556
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 6: to all have these flat surfaces made of granite in

557
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 6: one particular area of all their living spaces. I maybe

558
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 6: it was a kitchen, sorry, I'm thinking about granite countertops.

559
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: Or perhaps something for a sacrifice exact.

560
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because people put their perspectives on it, they'll probably

561
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: conclude it was a shrine. You see these primitive meat

562
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: forms had had gods, and they did not know the

563
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: codes of their gods.

564
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 5: They just to laugh.

565
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 6: And they are all these knife carvings in the granite

566
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 6: that must be there on purpose from the rituals.

567
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: It's like it's like when future historians or archaeologists travel,

568
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: you know, thousands and thousands of years back, and they

569
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: see the ruins of a modern metropolis, they're going to think.

570
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: They're going to see highway bridges and they're going to

571
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: mistake them for aqueducts, and they're going to see skyscrapers,

572
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: and they're going to think these people really worshiped penises.

573
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: Look at all these penis shrines and these aqueducts they're everywhere.

574
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 5: Not to mention, their priorities were all jacked up.

575
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh those worth no pud left behind.

576
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: And also I just want to ask Matt, who are

577
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 5: these animals that are carving directly under their granite countertops?

578
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: And then we must be stopped. Acident must be stopped.

579
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 5: That must be stopped.

580
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, Emperor of cutting boards over here, this cutting.

581
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 5: Board, guys, come on, respect the granite.

582
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: Respect them ories cutting boards. You got a board just

583
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: to just to cut?

584
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 5: I got a board for meats.

585
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: I got a board for veggies, and then I got

586
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: my nice board that I only bust out when I

587
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: have fancied dinner parties.

588
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: Like a turkey.

589
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 5: Exactly.

590
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 3: I'm very pressed with h Okay, I got a lot

591
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: to learn.

592
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: I'm sorry I'm high rating you guys on the cutting boards.

593
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 5: I really do know.

594
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: It's it's change is painful. It's a change we need

595
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: to make, and thank you for taking us there. So, no,

596
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: could you spell the most scale?

597
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: Is it? M o hs m o hs scale? Yeah?

598
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: Seven out of ten? Okay, so might be pronounced moss.

599
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to say I like Mo's better.

600
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: I like it too, you know. I mean you're the

601
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: one of us who has a cutting board, So I'm

602
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: taking like so so all of these stones, or question

603
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: naturally becomes how could someone carve into a stone of

604
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: this hardness right with the material science or with the

605
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: tools available? And then why would they choose that over

606
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: another perhaps more malleable stone. What we see here is

607
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: that all the ecastones have a patina, a dark a

608
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: dark coating degradation due to weather. It's an oxidized surface,

609
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: and the images that you see on these stones are

610
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: scratched into that surface rather than actually punched into the

611
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: act the stone itself.

612
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: You know what, I bet that this type of stone

613
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: is used for if you, guys ever had a hot stone?

614
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: Must am I the only bougie person here?

615
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 6: Who?

616
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: Oh my god?

617
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: There are there are listen, guys. I was also married

618
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 4: to a massage therapist. Okay, so that is mainly my

619
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: my references here. But there is a thing called homestone massages,

620
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: and they use these very smooth volcanic stones that hold

621
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: heat really well and are incredibly hard. And I'm almost

622
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 4: positive these are the exact same type that we're seeing here.

623
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 6: No, I've actually gotten one of those two. That's fine,

624
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 6: I know what you're talking about.

625
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: Sorry to roast you a little bit there, it's it's

626
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: with great affection. I've just I'm laughing imagining first to

627
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: write about the stones, and secondly, I'm laughing imagining how

628
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: many emails we're gonna get with people saying you slobs,

629
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: get a cutting board.

630
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 4: Now. Now, I will defend you guys to the bitter

631
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: and I know that, I know you're playing coy and

632
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 4: you both have.

633
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 5: Copious cutting boards.

634
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, a volcanic rock another really hard one is

635
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: a basalt that would be very high iron, and I

636
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: believe that is what is used for that practice.

637
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 5: But an andesite is very very close.

638
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: To them one hundred percent.

639
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

640
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: And the images on these, again, these many stones, they

641
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: vary quite widely in complexity. Some are simple pictures engraved

642
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: on just one side of the stone, right, like a

643
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: coin with an image stamped simply on the obverse. But

644
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: the other stones may have much more sophisticated complex designs.

645
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: And what's weird is we've looked at a lot of

646
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: these or research of this. These stones run the gamut

647
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: of known cultures throughout this part of South America modern

648
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: day Peru, Ecuador, Chile, we will call it. You could

649
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: see the Parakhas, the Nosca, the you mentioned Eim earlier, Matt,

650
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: the Tijuanaku, you can see the Inca others. Other stones

651
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: are coming out of nowhere, like who carved this, what

652
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: school of thought? What culture created this? And a lot

653
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: of the stones, especially spoiler, the more simplistic ones, they

654
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: tend to have motifs that you would recognize in the

655
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: wild today. Oh this is clearly a fish. Oh this

656
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: is a drawing of a flower and etching of a

657
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: flower that I would see somewhere else in the world,

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Speaker 3: or animals that might be alive today. You might see

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Speaker 3: basic geometric symbols, you know, triangles, fractal patterns, petroglyphs, geoglyphs.

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Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of that that hoax book

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Speaker 4: that ultimately wasn't really a hoax at all. The people

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Speaker 4: just kind of made much to do about it, the

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Speaker 4: Codex Seraphina. And then there was another one that depicted

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Speaker 4: like plant life and animal species that just don't exist.

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Speaker 5: That's the one Voytage manuscript. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Just reminds me of that, which maybe is a reason

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Speaker 4: to give it a second look.

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Speaker 6: Well, you may be thinking, as you're hearing the descriptions

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Speaker 6: of those things, that you've seen images of those things

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Speaker 6: in this area before, but on a much different scale.

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Speaker 5: Nice nice one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing but net there, because some of the stones

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Speaker 3: do appear to emulate the massive images formed by the

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Speaker 3: earlier Nazca lines, right, and we are we're bracketing elementary

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Speaker 3: questions like carbon dating and age and providence for a

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Speaker 3: reason which you'll see later. But how mystifying is it

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Speaker 3: knowing just what we've learned now that a stone you

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Speaker 3: could hold maybe in one hand, shows you a very

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Speaker 3: close imitation of something that is huge wrought across a plane.

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Speaker 3: That's nuts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, especially given the theories of like why are the

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Speaker 6: Nosca lines that big?

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Speaker 2: Why are they there? Who are they for?

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Speaker 6: And then you think about on a smaller scale like this,

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Speaker 6: it makes a little more sense. I think if they're

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Speaker 6: smaller and meant for some reason for the other humans

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Speaker 6: that are going to handle them or see them on

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Speaker 6: a regular basis. But when you put those two things

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Speaker 6: and those concepts together being so similar, it just creates

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Speaker 6: another puzzle for me at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hold the phone, fellow conspiracy realists. This has turned

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Speaker 3: into a rare two parter Hold the Stones, Oh, hold

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Speaker 3: the Inca Stones. Romance those Stones, if you will.

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Speaker 4: Hot take Romancing the Stone better than Indiana Jones?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just kidding. I just want to get yelled at.

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Speaker 5: It's not true.

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Speaker 3: You can speak as it rides, I have a simple entity.

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Speaker 3: We cannot wait to hear from you folks. Again, this

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Speaker 3: diving into the story of the Eca Stones. We can't

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