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Welcome back to the Draymond Greenshaw. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.920 I told you all last week that we had a 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.440 guest coming on that I was really excited about an 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.920 NBA owner coming on. And you know, this for me 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.240 is a dream come true because it takes me back 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.760 to a story that we'll get into a little later. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.040 But a little banter we have back and forth, and 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.840 if you know anything about me, I'm all for a 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.079 good banter. I don't take any banter personal. I'll dis 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.760 some banter out. You can dis some banter back. I 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:16.520 absolutely love it. And this guy in particular, he's known 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:21.600 for being involved, right in your face, super energetic, super excited, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.720 talking to the ruffs, just like I talked to the 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.760 RUSS bantering back and forth. He O Bencher with a player. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.160 I absolutely love it. And more importantly than all of that, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.080 he's an NBA champion. Can I want to welcome none 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.239 other than the legendary Mark Cuban. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.440 Welcome to the Draymond Green Show, my friend. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.600 Thanks for having me on Dremid. I really appreciate it, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:42.440 looking forward to it. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.919 Absolutely No, it's and the story that I'm getting that 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.760 back in I don't know, maybe about six seven years ago. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.960 Now I said something publicly and you said back, if 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.919 he wants to understand business, I'll get him in a 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:04.359 Kelly Business School right now. For those of you out 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.480 there that don't know what Kelly Business School is, one 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.920 of the top business schools in the world. It is 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.600 at IU Indiana University and Mark. By the way, I 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.240 have a younger sister. She's now twenty three years old. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.960 She graduated right up at the top of her class 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.560 at Kelly Business School two years ago. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:20.920 She was the business speaker. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.639 Yeah, she's the smart one in the family. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.560 Right, absolutely, far smarter than me. That's for sure. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.120 Make a really smart a good thing. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:32.320 Absolutely, you know. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.760 But number one I have to ask I know that 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:36.800 you are from Pittsburgh. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.480 Please tell me you're Pittsburgh Still a fan? 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.320 Oh, hell, yes I am. I mean you might have 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:46.080 a Duke ca Dukes fan. Man, Yes, took it to them, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.160 like go Dukes man, it's been fifty five years when 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.840 I like, when I was growing up, I went to 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.960 their basketball camp, the du Cane basketball camp. It was 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.400 at Robert Morris where five Star was right so it 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.240 was the camp right before five Stars started. That was 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.160 a big deal. So I've been a Duke Cane Dukes 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.400 fan my entire life. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.640 That is amazing. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.960 See this guy's intends he's watching college basketball. I love it. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.000 I absolutely love it. No, but you know, I just 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.680 want to get into number one, like early life before 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:17.960 you know all the great. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.239 Business moves that you've made. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.800 Just talk to me about skipping your senior year and 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.719 actually enrolling in college because for me, like we're starting 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.080 to see more kids do that now actually in basketball. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.520 So just skin, can you take me back there and 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.400 like walk me through the thinking behind that. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.880 Sure, I went to Mount Levenan and High School in Pittsburgh, 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.200 and I always wanted to get into business, and my 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.880 junior year they would not let me take a senior 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.760 level economics class, and so I was like, okay, whatever, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.200 I want to see if I can take college classes. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.719 So I signed up and registered at the University of 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.040 Pittsburgh my junior year to take night classes and I 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.680 took I forget psychology and so geology or something, you know, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.920 no big deal, and I did good at them. Right, 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.200 So I'm like, okay, I got this. If I can 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.240 you know, do okay in classes at night, what do 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:10.839 I need to go back to, you know, for my 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.520 senior year in high school where they won't let me 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.720 take business classes. So I just picked up and skipped 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.360 my senior year and went to the University of Pittsburgh 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.840 and started taking classes there, joined the fraternity. So I'm 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.520 literally supposed to be a high school senior, right, and 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.000 I'm joining the fraternity and going back to my high 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.480 school to take some girl to prom. Right. All of 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.440 a sudden, I went from being this dweevy guy to 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.560 like that guy. And so it was fun. Man. I 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.159 just wanted to challenge myself and just see if I 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.320 can do it, and I could, and that just gave 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:41.640 me confidence going forward. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.760 That's so interesting because when you look back, like when 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.719 you look back at successful people like you can always 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.839 go to something and be like, look at that thing 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.360 right there, like to have that thing as a sixteen 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.520 seven year old and say, no, I'm actually want to 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.719 move on from this to how the courage to go 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.800 to your parents to say I'm skipping my senior high school. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:09.160 You don't understand I didn't go to my you know, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.600 because I paid for it. When I took those classes 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.600 at night, I mean, they were excited. I told him that, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.440 right because I wanted to show them I was doing it. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.880 And then they were I'm like, okay, I'm taking those classes. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.600 I'm just going to you know, go to college. And 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.320 didn't really get into the part that I had to 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.240 drop out of high school in order to be able 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.840 to do it. So I literally was a high school dropout. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.240 And it was only after I like my sophomore year 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.640 in Indiana, I forget exactly that I called back up 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.080 to the high school and asked him if I could 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.560 take my college credits and use it to be able 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:38.599 to graduate high school. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.520 Wow, that's incredible, that's that is absolutely amazing. So you 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:48.560 go and you graduate from Indiana Kelly Business School, and 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.680 how soon is it that you move into creating broadcast 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:52.599 dot com. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.920 Oh no, it was wow. Right. So I graduate and 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.400 I go down to Dallas and I get a job 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.240 at night as a bartender, and then I get a 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.279 job working selling software, and long story short, I get 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.040 fired from that job, realize I'm a shitty employee. Go 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.320 start a company called micro Solutions that gets me really 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.840 hardcore into technology. So I learned how to program program 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.120 for like seven years and we were one of the 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.320 first companies in the country to like connect PCs together. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.000 Back then, it was a big deal. Sell that by 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.840 lifetime path on American airlines, travel around the country, around 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.200 the world, party like a rock star. Just have you know, 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.440 I'm thirty years old. Just have the best time ever. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:32.680 Man. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.680 I was just living the life. And then one of 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.480 my buddies from IU and I get together. This was 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.400 ninety early ninety five, and he was like, look, there's 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.880 this you know internet thing. You're the technology guy. Can 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.760 we do something to be able to listen to IU 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.840 basketball down here in Dallas? Because literally, to listen to 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.240 the game, we would have somebody up in Bloomington put 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.080 a radio next to a speakerphone and then call a 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.920 long distance down to us, and we would listen on 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.560 a speakerphone down to Dallas, like a six pack, twelve 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.840 pack or whatever. And yet get up while we're listening 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.720 to the game, you know, it wasn't on TV nothing, 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.239 And so I'm like, let me figure this out. And 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.720 so we started a company called audio Net and that 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.080 was the first streaming company. And then when we started 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.440 to get into video, we changed the name to broadcast 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.200 dot Com, took it public in nineteen ninety eight, it 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.240 was the biggest IPO in the history of the stock 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.440 market at the time, and then sold it. But yeah, 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.280 so that was the start of the streaming industry. And 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.320 that's how I really, you know, that's why you know 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.319 my name. That's why that's how I was able to 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:33.920 buy the mass That's amazing. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.320 Five point seven billion dollars. To sell something for five 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.400 point seven billion dollars today is crazy. Five point seven 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.040 billion dollars in nineteen ninety nine, right, I was nine 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.199 years old, by the way, just to make you feel old. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:49.960 Trust the ownership makes me feel load. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.560 My question though, you just said something very interesting to me. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.440 You said you bought an American Airlines lifetime tames just 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.360 out of curiosity. Would you still happen to have access 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.600 to that pass if you wanted? 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.280 No, because I gave it to a friend. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.280 Okay, Okay, you. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.320 Traveled a lot for me because you worked for me, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.560 so I gave it to him because I bought a plane, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.080 you know, and so I hadn't need it. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.720 Yeah, I was about to ask you, can you transfer 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:24.000 it over to me if you still you're fast forward 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.640 twenty eleven. You become a shark on a shark investor 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.320 on Shark Tank. Talk to me about that, because that 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.440 feels to me like something you get into. Obviously you 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.280 are who you are in the business world, in the 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.840 tech world. I've actually seen you out here some of 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.680 the tech things before. But talk to me about actually 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.600 like going public with that? Was that more of the 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.200 competition in it? Kind of to drive you to do that? 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.679 It was you know, network television, right, it was a 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.959 chance to be on something. You know, television is a 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.480 lot different back then, regular TV was a lot different, right, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.959 you know, to be on something you know in ten million, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.520 fifteen million people could watch you was cool and but 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.440 it was you know, because they asked me to come 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.240 on as a guest first, so they kicked the dude off, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.600 and then they had Jeff Foxworthy come on to do 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.600 three episodes, and then they asked me to come on 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.280 and do three episodes. And I'm like, look, I don't 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.000 know if this business the show is going to last. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.120 It's about business. Who knows, right, probably not gonna last, 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.400 but I'm gonna come on. I'm just gonna raise health. Right. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.600 So I got on there and I'm buying everything. You're right, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.640 I'll give you a deal. I'll give you a deal. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.880 I'll give you a deal. And then it was just 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.160 like they were like, Okay, you get it. I loved it. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.960 It really sent the message to kids more than anybody, 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.320 that the American dream is alive and well if you 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.440 bust your ass right, and people coming from you know 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:47.280 up you know, Michigan, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Texas standing on that carpet, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.480 pitching us and going from nothing to something. I mean, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.200 that gets people excited. It teaches them about business, and 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.520 to be part of that that felt good. And so 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.880 you know, I did it on a whim because I 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.760 didn't know what to expect. But I stayed with it 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.080 for fifteen years now because now kids are coming up 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.520 to me Hey, you know, I've got this idea. I'm 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.160 learning about business with Shark Tank. Parents come up to me, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.880 my kids. You know, it's a show we all watch together. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.280 It's great, right, So that's why I've done it so long, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.479 and I just I just think it's an important message. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.280 That's incredible because it's it's a great show. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.200 You know, I've watched it for years and it's absolutely incredible. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.920 How much success do you see coming out of like 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.080 companies that you find through Shark Tank. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.600 You know, it's like anything else, Like you invest all 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.200 the time, Like we had Bogy right here, would tell 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.480 me about your poker games and all the guys and 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.360 all the investments and shit, you know, Iggy the same way, right, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.440 guys are like own little investment club, and so we 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.439 would talk about it, and it's about the same way. Right. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.200 You got some big hits and then you got you 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.760 know that what the fuck was I thinking? You know, joints? Right, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:55.560 And so I've had like Dude Wipes has gotten really big. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.480 You know, they could do two hundred million dollars in 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.439 business this year, and I forget like two hundred and 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.680 fifty grand for twenty percent of the company or fifteen 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.000 percent of the Yeah, you know, Beatbox Beverages has just 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.040 blown up. They'll do two hundred million dollars in business 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.959 this year. They just did a round at two hundred million, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.839 and they're doing you know, fifteen seventeen million in eb 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.760 But I was able to take some money off the table. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:23.960 There mush packaged oatmeal that you see. They're killing it. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.600 They'll do one hundred plus million dollars in sales this year, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.800 and then there's ones you've never heard of, right, and 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.960 then I've had the exit you know, where I've made 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.920 you know, ten million or twenty million. So honestly, I 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.160 was right around break even losing up until about two 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.839 years ago. And then these last three years, those three 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.280 companies have just blown up. And so you know Callers 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.440 and compan Co is another company. It's just I've had 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.080 some really good ones that I've taken off the last 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:47.840 couple of years. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.760 That's amazing, that's incredible. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.679 And to see that type of deal flow as you 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.840 get to see it, yeah, that's. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.280 About killing it either, you know, because I've done deals 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.920 where it's somebody that I know I can make any money. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.319 Probably gonna lose my money, but you know it sends 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.720 a message right that Hey, if I look like this 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.560 person and they got to deal with Mark, anything's possible. 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:10.280 And to me, that's. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.520 Important, absolutely, And that's going to bring us back to 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.679 a topic later because I do want to talk with 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.400 how you work, about how you work with your employees, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:19.120 but we'll get there. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:20.920 So I think it's absolutely amazing. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.520 I'm gonna just go ahead and throw that out there, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.600 with what you've done with your employees, with the selle 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.120 of the Mavericks. I saw what you're doing even after that, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.200 you know, not washing your hands with it because you're 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:36.439 still very involved, but to give back to people who's 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.679 helped build these businesses. I talk about that all the time. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.600 So we'll get into that. But so in two thousand, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.200 after selling Broadcast dot Com in ninety nine, you then 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.840 go on and you buy the Dallas Mavericks. When you 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.400 bought the Dallas Mavericks in two thousand, did you think 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.000 like you look up twenty twenty four years later and 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.959 that you'd be selling that thing for three and a 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.199 half billion dollars or war wasn't more fun for you? 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.120 No, it was. It was all by fun. It wasn't 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.440 like I'm gonna buy this thing. Look, I'm a lucky 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.640 motherfucker in the world, right, you know, to come where 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.880 I come from and then all of a sudden to 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.840 have a bee, multiple bees next year. Name. I never 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.520 imagined that, right, And so you know, my dad did 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.200 upholsterry in cars, and his thing was always about you 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.000 only have so much time on this earth, and you 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.080 better enjoy it, right, And that's what I tried to do. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.800 You know. My motivation always, Yeah, I wanted to get paid, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.480 but I wanted to get paid so I can bring 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.400 control my own time, right, And so I got an 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.480 eye watch. I never the day I sold micro Solutions, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.120 I took off my watch and said, I'm never going 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.160 to wear a watch again because I never want to 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.800 be on anybody else's time. I wanted everyone else to 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.720 have to work to my time, right, and so that 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.640 that to me, Like when I bought the MAVs, that 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.800 was the thing, right, I was forty forty one years old. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.320 I would play pick up three, four or five times 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.320 a week. So the you know the idea of going 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.360 and getting up shots with Nash and Dirt and Finley's, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.040 you know, and getting into little runs every time and 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.880 not completely embarrassing myself back then, right, I mean that 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:15.320 was like a dream, so, you know, and like negotiating 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.680 that deal, I didn't even negotiate. I was just like, yes, whatever, right, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.480 and it was done. I walked in, changed some things 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.000 up and just you know, it was a riot. But 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.320 I never thought, honestly, I never thought I would sell 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.800 it at all. But you know, the world changes. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.880 Yeah, no, I mean, it's been incredible to watch what 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.160 you were able to do with that franchise. Like I 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.040 remember growing up as a young kid and like the 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.640 Dallas Mavericks being the laughing stock of the NBA. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.440 Very similar to how the Warriors were. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.960 And we like being the laughing stock and to watch 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:52.680 that and you draft dirt and well you didn't drive dirt, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.880 but you kept dirt, and you know, but to have 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.920 Dirk and the guys that y'all had coming through there, 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.840 and to watch you build up the Alice Maverson to 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.440 what they've become is absolutely amazing. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.400 How made it easy though, obviously? 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.600 Yeah, well, I mean, but here's the thing, though, you 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.360 take over the team in ninety nine, y'all don't win 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.080 the championship until twenty eleven. To stick with Dirk for 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.120 twelve years. That says a lot about you, though. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.040 Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, he was my guy no 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:26.080 matter what, thicker than right, and you know some this 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.040 game is hard, right and it takes a lot of luck, right, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.400 you know, you you know, and you know the story 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.560 like Monte or Steph right here, you're going to take 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.920 you know, for boggy, and so you know you try 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.600 not to. You know, I let Nashville. I mean I 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.680 might have had as many rings as you if I don't, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.440 you know, if I make a different decision there, and 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.920 so you know, sticking with Dirk wasn't hard, but trying 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.320 to figure it all out, it's always hard. And the 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.240 game changes every single year. You know, right now the 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.560 teams are so much more talented. You know, you could 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.480 ride one horse, two horses back then, right, yes, and 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.320 two guys on the court that couldn't shoot, one defender, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.960 one rebounder, just a different game and one guy could 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.120 get you fifty wins in the season. You know, it's 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.679 not like that anymore. But all the way through you 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.959 have to adapt and try to figure it out. But 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.120 you know, Dirk was just kind of a cornerstone that 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:18.760 that just made. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.240 It easy, absolutely I got a lot of respect for Dirk, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.800 and we'll get more into that. But I know you 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.640 you watch everything, and you not only do you watch everything, 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.520 you know way more than any of us knows, but 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.320 and watching what Steve Balmer is doing with the new 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.359 Arena and how he's trying to cater to fans. What 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.440 is one of the changes that you would make to 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:47.000 the to the in game basketball experience for fans like 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.520 you being a huge fan yourself but being in it, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.160 what's the one change or one change that you'd make 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.479 to better the experience for fans in the new Arena? 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.120 Well, I mean, Steve, you know it's great, like Steve 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.480 talks about the bath rooms, right, because you want to 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.760 get people back into their seats because if they're not 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.040 in their seats, they can't be cheering, if they're not 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.280 making noise, because that six man is the real thing, right, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.560 So you know that energy. You know, people don't like. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.800 When I got to the NBA, I used to give 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.600 them shit all the time because the top spots, David 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.919 Adam and down, they were all lawyers. So I used 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.920 to say, NBA nothing but attorneys, right, and you know, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.040 and I would give them shit I'm like, dude, you 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.360 don't even know what business we're in. You think we're 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.120 in the basketball business. You want to hear sneakers squeaking 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.040 because that's what they did in nineteen fifty six. I'm like, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.919 when you go to a game, you feel that energy 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.720 that is unlike anything else you can get. You can't 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.119 get that watch in front of a television, right, you 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.280 can't get that when you feel that energy, and you 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.960 feel it when you walk on the court, right, even 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.960 like the worst matchups, right, there is an energy there 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.399 and the fans feel it. And you know when it's 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.760 bad matchups, there's usually more kids in the spand so 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.639 that's loud, right, And so you know, I when I 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.560 got there, it was all about how do you keep 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.399 people people's heads up. And that was before it was 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.480 hardcore cell phones, right and wireless and everything. And so 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.880 now like you want to do as many things as 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.200 you can so that people's energy stays up. You want 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.320 to always be entertaining. And parents are bringing their kids, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.480 and so you've got to make sure that that kid's 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.520 attention span doesn't wander because if the parent has to 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.920