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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Greenshaw.
Speaker 5: I told you all last week that we had a
Speaker 5: guest coming on that I was really excited about an
Speaker 5: NBA owner coming on. And you know, this for me
Speaker 5: is a dream come true because it takes me back
Speaker 5: to a story that we'll get into a little later.
Speaker 5: But a little banter we have back and forth, and
Speaker 5: if you know anything about me, I'm all for a
Speaker 5: good banter. I don't take any banter personal. I'll dis
Speaker 5: some banter out. You can dis some banter back. I
Speaker 5: absolutely love it. And this guy in particular, he's known
Speaker 5: for being involved, right in your face, super energetic, super excited,
Speaker 5: talking to the ruffs, just like I talked to the
Speaker 5: RUSS bantering back and forth. He O Bencher with a player.
Speaker 5: I absolutely love it. And more importantly than all of that,
Speaker 5: he's an NBA champion. Can I want to welcome none
Speaker 5: other than the legendary Mark Cuban.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Draymond Green Show, my friend.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on Dremid. I really appreciate it,
Speaker 1: looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely No, it's and the story that I'm getting that
Speaker 5: back in I don't know, maybe about six seven years ago.
Speaker 5: Now I said something publicly and you said back, if
Speaker 5: he wants to understand business, I'll get him in a
Speaker 5: Kelly Business School right now. For those of you out
Speaker 5: there that don't know what Kelly Business School is, one
Speaker 5: of the top business schools in the world. It is
Speaker 5: at IU Indiana University and Mark. By the way, I
Speaker 5: have a younger sister. She's now twenty three years old.
Speaker 5: She graduated right up at the top of her class
Speaker 5: at Kelly Business School two years ago.
Speaker 2: She was the business speaker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the smart one in the family.
Speaker 5: Right, absolutely, far smarter than me. That's for sure.
Speaker 1: Make a really smart a good thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 5: But number one I have to ask I know that
Speaker 5: you are from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Please tell me you're Pittsburgh Still a fan?
Speaker 1: Oh, hell, yes I am. I mean you might have
Speaker 1: a Duke ca Dukes fan. Man, Yes, took it to them,
Speaker 1: like go Dukes man, it's been fifty five years when
Speaker 1: I like, when I was growing up, I went to
Speaker 1: their basketball camp, the du Cane basketball camp. It was
Speaker 1: at Robert Morris where five Star was right so it
Speaker 1: was the camp right before five Stars started. That was
Speaker 1: a big deal. So I've been a Duke Cane Dukes
Speaker 1: fan my entire life.
Speaker 2: That is amazing.
Speaker 5: See this guy's intends he's watching college basketball. I love it.
Speaker 5: I absolutely love it. No, but you know, I just
Speaker 5: want to get into number one, like early life before
Speaker 5: you know all the great.
Speaker 2: Business moves that you've made.
Speaker 5: Just talk to me about skipping your senior year and
Speaker 5: actually enrolling in college because for me, like we're starting
Speaker 5: to see more kids do that now actually in basketball.
Speaker 5: So just skin, can you take me back there and
Speaker 5: like walk me through the thinking behind that.
Speaker 1: Sure, I went to Mount Levenan and High School in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and I always wanted to get into business, and my
Speaker 1: junior year they would not let me take a senior
Speaker 1: level economics class, and so I was like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: I want to see if I can take college classes.
Speaker 1: So I signed up and registered at the University of
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh my junior year to take night classes and I
Speaker 1: took I forget psychology and so geology or something, you know,
Speaker 1: no big deal, and I did good at them. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I got this. If I can
Speaker 1: you know, do okay in classes at night, what do
Speaker 1: I need to go back to, you know, for my
Speaker 1: senior year in high school where they won't let me
Speaker 1: take business classes. So I just picked up and skipped
Speaker 1: my senior year and went to the University of Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and started taking classes there, joined the fraternity. So I'm
Speaker 1: literally supposed to be a high school senior, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm joining the fraternity and going back to my high
Speaker 1: school to take some girl to prom. Right. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I went from being this dweevy guy to
Speaker 1: like that guy. And so it was fun. Man. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to challenge myself and just see if I
Speaker 1: can do it, and I could, and that just gave
Speaker 1: me confidence going forward.
Speaker 5: That's so interesting because when you look back, like when
Speaker 5: you look back at successful people like you can always
Speaker 5: go to something and be like, look at that thing
Speaker 5: right there, like to have that thing as a sixteen
Speaker 5: seven year old and say, no, I'm actually want to
Speaker 5: move on from this to how the courage to go
Speaker 5: to your parents to say I'm skipping my senior high school.
Speaker 1: You don't understand I didn't go to my you know,
Speaker 1: because I paid for it. When I took those classes
Speaker 1: at night, I mean, they were excited. I told him that,
Speaker 1: right because I wanted to show them I was doing it.
Speaker 1: And then they were I'm like, okay, I'm taking those classes.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to you know, go to college. And
Speaker 1: didn't really get into the part that I had to
Speaker 1: drop out of high school in order to be able
Speaker 1: to do it. So I literally was a high school dropout.
Speaker 1: And it was only after I like my sophomore year
Speaker 1: in Indiana, I forget exactly that I called back up
Speaker 1: to the high school and asked him if I could
Speaker 1: take my college credits and use it to be able
Speaker 1: to graduate high school.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's incredible, that's that is absolutely amazing. So you
Speaker 5: go and you graduate from Indiana Kelly Business School, and
Speaker 5: how soon is it that you move into creating broadcast
Speaker 5: dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was wow. Right. So I graduate and
Speaker 1: I go down to Dallas and I get a job
Speaker 1: at night as a bartender, and then I get a
Speaker 1: job working selling software, and long story short, I get
Speaker 1: fired from that job, realize I'm a shitty employee. Go
Speaker 1: start a company called micro Solutions that gets me really
Speaker 1: hardcore into technology. So I learned how to program program
Speaker 1: for like seven years and we were one of the
Speaker 1: first companies in the country to like connect PCs together.
Speaker 1: Back then, it was a big deal. Sell that by
Speaker 1: lifetime path on American airlines, travel around the country, around
Speaker 1: the world, party like a rock star. Just have you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old. Just have the best time ever.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I was just living the life. And then one of
Speaker 1: my buddies from IU and I get together. This was
Speaker 1: ninety early ninety five, and he was like, look, there's
Speaker 1: this you know internet thing. You're the technology guy. Can
Speaker 1: we do something to be able to listen to IU
Speaker 1: basketball down here in Dallas? Because literally, to listen to
Speaker 1: the game, we would have somebody up in Bloomington put
Speaker 1: a radio next to a speakerphone and then call a
Speaker 1: long distance down to us, and we would listen on
Speaker 1: a speakerphone down to Dallas, like a six pack, twelve
Speaker 1: pack or whatever. And yet get up while we're listening
Speaker 1: to the game, you know, it wasn't on TV nothing,
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, let me figure this out. And
Speaker 1: so we started a company called audio Net and that
Speaker 1: was the first streaming company. And then when we started
Speaker 1: to get into video, we changed the name to broadcast
Speaker 1: dot Com, took it public in nineteen ninety eight, it
Speaker 1: was the biggest IPO in the history of the stock
Speaker 1: market at the time, and then sold it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was the start of the streaming industry. And
Speaker 1: that's how I really, you know, that's why you know
Speaker 1: my name. That's why that's how I was able to
Speaker 1: buy the mass That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Five point seven billion dollars. To sell something for five
Speaker 5: point seven billion dollars today is crazy. Five point seven
Speaker 5: billion dollars in nineteen ninety nine, right, I was nine
Speaker 5: years old, by the way, just to make you feel old.
Speaker 1: Trust the ownership makes me feel load.
Speaker 2: My question though, you just said something very interesting to me.
Speaker 5: You said you bought an American Airlines lifetime tames just
Speaker 5: out of curiosity. Would you still happen to have access
Speaker 5: to that pass if you wanted?
Speaker 1: No, because I gave it to a friend.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you.
Speaker 1: Traveled a lot for me because you worked for me,
Speaker 1: so I gave it to him because I bought a plane,
Speaker 1: you know, and so I hadn't need it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was about to ask you, can you transfer
Speaker 5: it over to me if you still you're fast forward
Speaker 5: twenty eleven. You become a shark on a shark investor
Speaker 5: on Shark Tank. Talk to me about that, because that
Speaker 5: feels to me like something you get into. Obviously you
Speaker 5: are who you are in the business world, in the
Speaker 5: tech world. I've actually seen you out here some of
Speaker 5: the tech things before. But talk to me about actually
Speaker 5: like going public with that? Was that more of the
Speaker 5: competition in it? Kind of to drive you to do that?
Speaker 1: It was you know, network television, right, it was a
Speaker 1: chance to be on something. You know, television is a
Speaker 1: lot different back then, regular TV was a lot different, right,
Speaker 1: you know, to be on something you know in ten million,
Speaker 1: fifteen million people could watch you was cool and but
Speaker 1: it was you know, because they asked me to come
Speaker 1: on as a guest first, so they kicked the dude off,
Speaker 1: and then they had Jeff Foxworthy come on to do
Speaker 1: three episodes, and then they asked me to come on
Speaker 1: and do three episodes. And I'm like, look, I don't
Speaker 1: know if this business the show is going to last.
Speaker 1: It's about business. Who knows, right, probably not gonna last,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna come on. I'm just gonna raise health. Right.
Speaker 1: So I got on there and I'm buying everything. You're right,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a deal. I'll give you a deal.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a deal. And then it was just
Speaker 1: like they were like, Okay, you get it. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It really sent the message to kids more than anybody,
Speaker 1: that the American dream is alive and well if you
Speaker 1: bust your ass right, and people coming from you know
Speaker 1: up you know, Michigan, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Texas standing on that carpet,
Speaker 1: pitching us and going from nothing to something. I mean,
Speaker 1: that gets people excited. It teaches them about business, and
Speaker 1: to be part of that that felt good. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I did it on a whim because I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect. But I stayed with it
Speaker 1: for fifteen years now because now kids are coming up
Speaker 1: to me Hey, you know, I've got this idea. I'm
Speaker 1: learning about business with Shark Tank. Parents come up to me,
Speaker 1: my kids. You know, it's a show we all watch together.
Speaker 1: It's great, right, So that's why I've done it so long,
Speaker 1: and I just I just think it's an important message.
Speaker 2: That's incredible because it's it's a great show.
Speaker 5: You know, I've watched it for years and it's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 5: How much success do you see coming out of like
Speaker 5: companies that you find through Shark Tank.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like anything else, Like you invest all
Speaker 1: the time, Like we had Bogy right here, would tell
Speaker 1: me about your poker games and all the guys and
Speaker 1: all the investments and shit, you know, Iggy the same way, right,
Speaker 1: guys are like own little investment club, and so we
Speaker 1: would talk about it, and it's about the same way. Right.
Speaker 1: You got some big hits and then you got you
Speaker 1: know that what the fuck was I thinking? You know, joints? Right,
Speaker 1: And so I've had like Dude Wipes has gotten really big.
Speaker 1: You know, they could do two hundred million dollars in
Speaker 1: business this year, and I forget like two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty grand for twenty percent of the company or fifteen
Speaker 1: percent of the Yeah, you know, Beatbox Beverages has just
Speaker 1: blown up. They'll do two hundred million dollars in business
Speaker 1: this year. They just did a round at two hundred million,
Speaker 1: and they're doing you know, fifteen seventeen million in eb
Speaker 1: But I was able to take some money off the table.
Speaker 1: There mush packaged oatmeal that you see. They're killing it.
Speaker 1: They'll do one hundred plus million dollars in sales this year,
Speaker 1: and then there's ones you've never heard of, right, and
Speaker 1: then I've had the exit you know, where I've made
Speaker 1: you know, ten million or twenty million. So honestly, I
Speaker 1: was right around break even losing up until about two
Speaker 1: years ago. And then these last three years, those three
Speaker 1: companies have just blown up. And so you know Callers
Speaker 1: and compan Co is another company. It's just I've had
Speaker 1: some really good ones that I've taken off the last
Speaker 1: couple of years.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, that's incredible.
Speaker 5: And to see that type of deal flow as you
Speaker 5: get to see it, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: About killing it either, you know, because I've done deals
Speaker 1: where it's somebody that I know I can make any money.
Speaker 1: Probably gonna lose my money, but you know it sends
Speaker 1: a message right that Hey, if I look like this
Speaker 1: person and they got to deal with Mark, anything's possible.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's.
Speaker 5: Important, absolutely, And that's going to bring us back to
Speaker 5: a topic later because I do want to talk with
Speaker 5: how you work, about how you work with your employees,
Speaker 5: but we'll get there.
Speaker 2: So I think it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna just go ahead and throw that out there,
Speaker 5: with what you've done with your employees, with the selle
Speaker 5: of the Mavericks. I saw what you're doing even after that,
Speaker 5: you know, not washing your hands with it because you're
Speaker 5: still very involved, but to give back to people who's
Speaker 5: helped build these businesses. I talk about that all the time.
Speaker 5: So we'll get into that. But so in two thousand,
Speaker 5: after selling Broadcast dot Com in ninety nine, you then
Speaker 5: go on and you buy the Dallas Mavericks. When you
Speaker 5: bought the Dallas Mavericks in two thousand, did you think
Speaker 5: like you look up twenty twenty four years later and
Speaker 5: that you'd be selling that thing for three and a
Speaker 5: half billion dollars or war wasn't more fun for you?
Speaker 1: No, it was. It was all by fun. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna buy this thing. Look, I'm a lucky
Speaker 1: motherfucker in the world, right, you know, to come where
Speaker 1: I come from and then all of a sudden to
Speaker 1: have a bee, multiple bees next year. Name. I never
Speaker 1: imagined that, right, And so you know, my dad did
Speaker 1: upholsterry in cars, and his thing was always about you
Speaker 1: only have so much time on this earth, and you
Speaker 1: better enjoy it, right, And that's what I tried to do.
Speaker 1: You know. My motivation always, Yeah, I wanted to get paid,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get paid so I can bring
Speaker 1: control my own time, right, And so I got an
Speaker 1: eye watch. I never the day I sold micro Solutions,
Speaker 1: I took off my watch and said, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to wear a watch again because I never want to
Speaker 1: be on anybody else's time. I wanted everyone else to
Speaker 1: have to work to my time, right, and so that
Speaker 1: that to me, Like when I bought the MAVs, that
Speaker 1: was the thing, right, I was forty forty one years old.
Speaker 1: I would play pick up three, four or five times
Speaker 1: a week. So the you know the idea of going
Speaker 1: and getting up shots with Nash and Dirt and Finley's,
Speaker 1: you know, and getting into little runs every time and
Speaker 1: not completely embarrassing myself back then, right, I mean that
Speaker 1: was like a dream, so, you know, and like negotiating
Speaker 1: that deal, I didn't even negotiate. I was just like, yes, whatever, right,
Speaker 1: and it was done. I walked in, changed some things
Speaker 1: up and just you know, it was a riot. But
Speaker 1: I never thought, honestly, I never thought I would sell
Speaker 1: it at all. But you know, the world changes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean, it's been incredible to watch what
Speaker 5: you were able to do with that franchise. Like I
Speaker 5: remember growing up as a young kid and like the
Speaker 5: Dallas Mavericks being the laughing stock of the NBA.
Speaker 2: Very similar to how the Warriors were.
Speaker 5: And we like being the laughing stock and to watch
Speaker 5: that and you draft dirt and well you didn't drive dirt,
Speaker 5: but you kept dirt, and you know, but to have
Speaker 5: Dirk and the guys that y'all had coming through there,
Speaker 5: and to watch you build up the Alice Maverson to
Speaker 5: what they've become is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: How made it easy though, obviously?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, but here's the thing, though, you
Speaker 5: take over the team in ninety nine, y'all don't win
Speaker 5: the championship until twenty eleven. To stick with Dirk for
Speaker 5: twelve years. That says a lot about you, though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, he was my guy no
Speaker 1: matter what, thicker than right, and you know some this
Speaker 1: game is hard, right and it takes a lot of luck, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you you know, and you know the story
Speaker 1: like Monte or Steph right here, you're going to take
Speaker 1: you know, for boggy, and so you know you try
Speaker 1: not to. You know, I let Nashville. I mean I
Speaker 1: might have had as many rings as you if I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, if I make a different decision there, and
Speaker 1: so you know, sticking with Dirk wasn't hard, but trying
Speaker 1: to figure it all out, it's always hard. And the
Speaker 1: game changes every single year. You know, right now the
Speaker 1: teams are so much more talented. You know, you could
Speaker 1: ride one horse, two horses back then, right, yes, and
Speaker 1: two guys on the court that couldn't shoot, one defender,
Speaker 1: one rebounder, just a different game and one guy could
Speaker 1: get you fifty wins in the season. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not like that anymore. But all the way through you
Speaker 1: have to adapt and try to figure it out. But
Speaker 1: you know, Dirk was just kind of a cornerstone that
Speaker 1: that just made.
Speaker 5: It easy, absolutely I got a lot of respect for Dirk,
Speaker 5: and we'll get more into that. But I know you
Speaker 5: you watch everything, and you not only do you watch everything,
Speaker 5: you know way more than any of us knows, but
Speaker 5: and watching what Steve Balmer is doing with the new
Speaker 5: Arena and how he's trying to cater to fans. What
Speaker 5: is one of the changes that you would make to
Speaker 5: the to the in game basketball experience for fans like
Speaker 5: you being a huge fan yourself but being in it,
Speaker 5: what's the one change or one change that you'd make
Speaker 5: to better the experience for fans in the new Arena?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Steve, you know it's great, like Steve
Speaker 1: talks about the bath rooms, right, because you want to
Speaker 1: get people back into their seats because if they're not
Speaker 1: in their seats, they can't be cheering, if they're not
Speaker 1: making noise, because that six man is the real thing, right,
Speaker 1: So you know that energy. You know, people don't like.
Speaker 1: When I got to the NBA, I used to give
Speaker 1: them shit all the time because the top spots, David
Speaker 1: Adam and down, they were all lawyers. So I used
Speaker 1: to say, NBA nothing but attorneys, right, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I would give them shit I'm like, dude, you
Speaker 1: don't even know what business we're in. You think we're
Speaker 1: in the basketball business. You want to hear sneakers squeaking
Speaker 1: because that's what they did in nineteen fifty six. I'm like,
Speaker 1: when you go to a game, you feel that energy
Speaker 1: that is unlike anything else you can get. You can't
Speaker 1: get that watch in front of a television, right, you
Speaker 1: can't get that when you feel that energy, and you
Speaker 1: feel it when you walk on the court, right, even
Speaker 1: like the worst matchups, right, there is an energy there
Speaker 1: and the fans feel it. And you know when it's
Speaker 1: bad matchups, there's usually more kids in the spand so
Speaker 1: that's loud, right, And so you know, I when I
Speaker 1: got there, it was all about how do you keep
Speaker 1: people people's heads up. And that was before it was
Speaker 1: hardcore cell phones, right and wireless and everything. And so
Speaker 1: now like you want to do as many things as
Speaker 1: you can so that people's energy stays up. You want
Speaker 1: to always be entertaining. And parents are bringing their kids,
Speaker 1: and so you've got to make sure that that kid's
Speaker 1: attention span doesn't wander because if the parent has to
Speaker 1: pay attention to the kid because the kid is on
Speaker 1: this phone or whatever. You're not going to have that
Speaker 1: energy because you want that kid screaming. Right. So it's
Speaker 1: like I learned an early lesson that. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the like? And you see it too in two
Speaker 1: thousand or in twenty twenty four, you shoot T shirts
Speaker 1: into the stands.
Speaker 2: They're other than.
Speaker 1: A game winning bucket, right, Those people are going nuts
Speaker 1: for the T shirts, right, and so like, okay, let's
Speaker 1: get people's heads to stay up and pay attention. So
Speaker 1: you'll see us do videos a lot. And so the
Speaker 1: Jumbo trins have gotten you know, an amazing now because
Speaker 1: people have to look up, you have to keep that attention.
Speaker 1: You'll see the courts, so you know, they've been testing
Speaker 1: see through courts that actually show videos right in our LCDs.
Speaker 1: You know, you saw it at the All Star, right,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of weird because we're kind of smushy, right,
Speaker 1: and it was a little bit different. So they got
Speaker 1: to get that better. But for me, it's like anything
Speaker 1: that keeps your head up and the energy of right,
Speaker 1: It's like Bamber's trying to do that one section where
Speaker 1: you have to have like we when first started and
Speaker 1: we stopped this a few years ago, like if you
Speaker 1: came painted up as a MAVs fan, we had a
Speaker 1: whole section that was free, right, Yeah, we had three
Speaker 1: hundred people competing for one hundred seats, right, and everybody
Speaker 1: would be all painted up. And so you know, it's
Speaker 1: all about energy because that's where the fans give you
Speaker 1: an advantage. And you know it gets harder because things
Speaker 1: get more expensive, and so you know, it's like you know,
Speaker 1: the front row, you know, whether it's Chase, whether it's Dallas,
Speaker 1: whether it's La wherever, even Milwaukee. Right, those are the
Speaker 1: people that pay to get you know, to get closed
Speaker 1: and yell, and everything's hard. They're not putting on the
Speaker 1: T shirts on during the playoffs, right, So just trying
Speaker 1: to come up with ways to keep that energy up.
Speaker 1: That that's the mission in any arena.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I definitely understand that.
Speaker 5: And you know we feel that energy and you feel
Speaker 5: when it's not there, like you can feel when energy
Speaker 5: leaves the arena. And it's sometimes tough because we start
Speaker 5: looking to the crowd for a little energy. They're almost
Speaker 5: looking to us for a little energy. And when you
Speaker 5: have those different type of activations and things with the
Speaker 5: Jumbo try, it can sometimes help organically spark them.
Speaker 2: That helps organically spark us.
Speaker 1: Like we do these original videos where we make the
Speaker 1: guys on our team the stars, right, and the guys
Speaker 1: are up and they you can feel it, right, and
Speaker 1: you can feel when you do something where there's the
Speaker 1: old standbys that get you know, get loud or you know,
Speaker 1: the big like we'll do a Hoosiers video where they're
Speaker 1: all clapping and all that, right, anything it takes to
Speaker 1: get get the crowd going, because that can be the
Speaker 1: difference between and losing, right, and not just on the court,
Speaker 1: but them coming back and having a good experience, you know,
Speaker 1: because if the game, even if the game sucked, right,
Speaker 1: and no matter what forty one regular season games, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some stinkers both ways. Right. That's as long
Speaker 1: as you can find ways to keep kids involved, they'll
Speaker 1: keep that energy up and they'll keep them because if
Speaker 1: you're a parent, like how old are your kids now?
Speaker 2: My kids are nine, seven, three and four months.
Speaker 1: Coret right, thank you, So that nine to seven year old,
Speaker 1: right when you go to a game with them and
Speaker 1: you're no matter what the sport, and you're looking in
Speaker 1: their face and you're looking in their eyes and you're
Speaker 1: seeing that smile. They got the cotton candy and they're
Speaker 1: doing their thing. Right. That's all you care about as
Speaker 1: a parent. That is the experience you remember the first
Speaker 1: time your aunt, your uncle, your dad, your mom, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, your buddies took you to a game or
Speaker 1: you went together, and your parents they remember it forever, right,
Speaker 1: You'll remember that feeling forever. And that's what we get
Speaker 1: to do at the NBA. And that's what I kind
Speaker 1: of try to emphasize for our people, right because that's
Speaker 1: what people remember and that gets us w's too because
Speaker 1: when those kids are screaming with that cotton candy, it's
Speaker 1: a win win.
Speaker 2: Absolutely no.
Speaker 5: I and my wife actually brought it to my attention,
Speaker 5: uh and kind of made me do it. But it
Speaker 5: was a good thing in our arena, you know, where
Speaker 5: the comp seats would get there, they'd be a little
Speaker 5: higher up. And once my kids started getting a little older,
Speaker 5: she's like, hey, they want to see you, like, they
Speaker 5: want to be able to make contact eye contact with you.
Speaker 5: They want to be able to almost talk to you.
Speaker 5: And so I bought some seat. Can't of force, I
Speaker 5: can't afford of course, I seat that Chase in it
Speaker 5: there a little too expensive, but we got some seats
Speaker 5: pretty like pretty close to the car, and it changes,
Speaker 5: it actually changes the entire game experience for me who's
Speaker 5: playing like me, ask you.
Speaker 1: A question, absolutely, because you see your kids there.
Speaker 2: Do I hold myself back?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, because, like you know, and like, for instance,
Speaker 5: the instances this year, I was very thankful the game,
Speaker 5: not the game where I had some things happen my
Speaker 5: kids weren't there. But but it definitely like makes me
Speaker 5: maintain a sense of control when I know they're they're
Speaker 5: right there in the stands, that they're watching it right there.
Speaker 1: So when Jake's at the game looking at me now
Speaker 1: that he's fourteen, or my other daughters and they're rolling
Speaker 1: their eyes.
Speaker 5: After me, it changes everything, right, No, No, for sure,
Speaker 5: So I definitely understand that. But I read something where
Speaker 5: you said your investment, well, your cell of the Mavericks
Speaker 5: is an investment in specific partners as well as a
Speaker 5: bet on real estate being important to the future of
Speaker 5: the of NBA ownership.
Speaker 2: What was the reason.
Speaker 5: Can you share a little bit more or clarify a
Speaker 5: little bit more of that for me or for our audience.
Speaker 1: Look at Chase right with Joe and that whole crew
Speaker 1: did right. Joe went and put together the group. It
Speaker 1: was all private funding and they build a place that's amazing,
Speaker 1: and that's where they make more of their money. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know all the numbers, but that's what I
Speaker 1: would bet, right because and look how much they spent
Speaker 1: to get there. I don't know that shit at all. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know I did this because I love basketball. I
Speaker 1: didn't do this to try to make as much money
Speaker 1: as I could. You know, when we would do stuff,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like Okay, I got to hit this budget
Speaker 1: and it'd be like okay whatever, and that it was
Speaker 1: good sometimes and it got me in trouble sometimes, right
Speaker 1: because I wasn't paying attention to that side. But now
Speaker 1: with the new CBA and the way media is changing,
Speaker 1: I know technology and media cold man. I grew up
Speaker 1: with that. I know that stuff in and out. I
Speaker 1: couldn't build a Chase Center if I wanted to. My
Speaker 1: new partner, the Patrick Dumont and the Allison's, that's what
Speaker 1: they live for. Man, the sand He runs the Sandsport,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're the biggest casino people around the
Speaker 1: world and they build arenas. This is what they live for, right,
Speaker 1: and so you know, like on Shark Tank, I always
Speaker 1: say I'd rather have twenty five percent of a watermelon
Speaker 1: than one hundred percent of a grape, right, yes, down
Speaker 1: to right. I just you know, because I just I'm
Speaker 1: not good at asking people for money. Let's go put
Speaker 1: together this thing, you know. I just I love the game.
Speaker 1: I love being part of it. I love the energy.
Speaker 1: I hate losing, right, and I hate the pain of
Speaker 1: it all. But I know what I'm good at, and
Speaker 1: I know what I suck at, and I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to try to lie to myself and do something I
Speaker 1: couldn't do.
Speaker 5: That's special and the smartest people in the world. You're
Speaker 5: also smart because you know what you don't know. And
Speaker 5: that's one of the things that I've tried to figure out.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Obviously I'm thirty four now, so I've been doing some business,
Speaker 5: but and getting the people around me that knows what
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Basketball, though, right, you know your role, and when your team,
Speaker 1: when everybody in their team knows your role, you're pretty good,
Speaker 1: even if even if everybody's not as talented as another.
Speaker 1: When you don't people don't know their rules, the roles.
Speaker 1: That's when things go to shit, right. And it's the
Speaker 1: exact same way in business. And the hard part is
Speaker 1: going through all the ups and downs getting that squad
Speaker 1: together right, because everybody's got their own goals. Everybody's got,
Speaker 1: you know, a limited career where they've got to accomplish
Speaker 1: certain things. Some guys just want to stay in it's
Speaker 1: all different. Well, in companies, it's the same way, right, somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a start to their career. They
Speaker 1: don't want to stay in this city forever, so they're
Speaker 1: not going to be there forever. Somebody's been at it
Speaker 1: for you know, fifteen years. They know it's getting you know,
Speaker 1: longer in the tooth. It's harder for them to keep up,
Speaker 1: but they have this wisdom and experience. How do you
Speaker 1: make all these people in the company mesh? And when
Speaker 1: you're trying to invest in new things, particularly like when
Speaker 1: things are changing or new industries, whether it's AI and
Speaker 1: the tech side or real estate and all the changes
Speaker 1: that are happening, and you got to know how to
Speaker 1: put together that team. I didn't. I don't and I
Speaker 1: just didn't fit my skill set and you know it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was paying them to come in. I
Speaker 1: was getting paid for the right to do that. So
Speaker 1: it was a win win situation. And I got stay
Speaker 1: with the basketball side, you know, and you know, run
Speaker 1: out in the court when Kyrie hits an insane shot
Speaker 1: and I'm end up poll On like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the best part about owning, at least now owning part
Speaker 1: of a team or owning the whole team. Back then,
Speaker 1: that shots in the air, everybody's heart's pounding. I get
Speaker 1: to run on the court and not got arrested.
Speaker 5: Man, the best they ever absolutely And by the way,
Speaker 5: when you started doing that, that brought not only did
Speaker 5: it bring life to NBA ownership, but I think it
Speaker 5: brought a totally different perspective to how people viewed NBA owners.
Speaker 2: No one was as involved.
Speaker 5: No owner was running on the court going crazy.
Speaker 1: You have no idea like the guys like when I
Speaker 1: first got there, the old dudes like inherited the teams
Speaker 1: want them in a poker game or whatever, right they
Speaker 1: I'd be in a meeting and at one time they
Speaker 1: were like, shut the fuck up, You've never done anything
Speaker 1: in this league. And then I called the dude by
Speaker 1: the wrong name because I just got there and just
Speaker 1: like it was like they were just killing me all
Speaker 1: the time, finding me. Like the first time I got fined,
Speaker 1: we were in Minnesota, and I always wanted to set
Speaker 1: the tone that there was no job on the basketball
Speaker 1: side that I wouldn't do right, even on the other
Speaker 1: side for that matter, business side. And so I want,
Speaker 1: you know, the the guys who sit on the floor,
Speaker 1: they equip me guys, and then they'll get up, they'll
Speaker 1: take your jersey whatever, give you warm ups and everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sitting with those dudes right because I
Speaker 1: want to get to know them better. I want to
Speaker 1: see their job and I want to be closer to
Speaker 1: the team, just get the feel for the vibe, right,
Speaker 1: And they find me one hundred thousand dollars. I think
Speaker 1: it was my first full year for conduct unbecoming an owner.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you ain't seen nothing yet, David.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious, is it? So?
Speaker 5: So so? Right now after the sale has been completed,
Speaker 5: by the way, I'm sorry, congratulations on that. I think
Speaker 5: you know so many times, you know, I have a
Speaker 5: I'm really sorry because I have a huge pet peeve.
Speaker 2: You know, just like yourself.
Speaker 5: We have friends that are doing incredible things, and so
Speaker 5: oftentimes because our friends have had so much success, right, Like,
Speaker 5: you see something where it's like, oh, Mark One's so
Speaker 5: broadcast dot Com in ninety nine for five point seven
Speaker 5: million dollars, So I don't really need to hit him
Speaker 5: and say congratulations about selling them for three point five million.
Speaker 5: I have three point five billion, excuse me? Right Like,
Speaker 5: And that happens so oftentimes to people that's had success
Speaker 5: over and over and over again, and so I apologize
Speaker 5: congratulations on that.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm okay with.
Speaker 2: No problem.
Speaker 5: But so, what is your role currently now with the
Speaker 5: Dallas Mavericks once you've completed the set up?
Speaker 1: Just basketball? I don't have anything else, you know, Nico
Speaker 1: and me and just you know, because when you're the
Speaker 1: general manager. By the way, Nico has done a phenomenal job, right,
Speaker 1: he's stud but there's still there's the sense of a
Speaker 1: general manager is different than the sense of an owner,
Speaker 1: right because the owner's got to think not just in
Speaker 1: terms of one year or even three years or this
Speaker 1: contract or next time. You've got to have a longer
Speaker 1: horizon and you've got to think more in terms of
Speaker 1: the CBA, and you know, you're the bigger picture. How
Speaker 1: much money you're willing to lose and luxury tax right,
Speaker 1: how much you're willing to spend. You got to make
Speaker 1: that decision right where you know, the young manager just
Speaker 1: wants to win or keep the job whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: So it's just a different perspective. And and plus Nico,
Speaker 1: you know, is new to the basketball side, and so
Speaker 1: there's somebody got to be that guy that that's been
Speaker 1: there a long time and is done in a long time.
Speaker 1: So it's a great partnership of working with the guy.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's been easy for me to give
Speaker 1: him more and more responsibility because he's so good at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, Nico is incredible. I had the opportunity to
Speaker 5: work with Nico for my first nine years in the NBA,
Speaker 5: I want to say when he was with Nike, and
Speaker 5: he he was always incredible. He was always very honest,
Speaker 5: which I can always appreciate.
Speaker 2: He was always extremely honest with me.
Speaker 5: If I if I called him and I'm like, Nico,
Speaker 5: I want I want to I want a signature shoe,
Speaker 5: Nico's response probably would be, Dre, I love you. You
Speaker 5: can't sell a signature shoe like always just but just honest.
Speaker 1: Silent assassin. He's like silent assassin, right to pull no
Speaker 1: punches whatsoever exactly.
Speaker 5: And I think that's absolutely incredible, And I was so excited.
Speaker 2: Like I know, Nico had teetered.
Speaker 5: Around with some assistant GM jobs throughout the years. I
Speaker 5: think the Spurs was one of them, and a couple
Speaker 5: other maybe the Lakers was one of them. He was
Speaker 5: you know, him and Kobe what they built. And I
Speaker 5: was so excited to see him get the opportunity to
Speaker 5: be the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks because I
Speaker 5: know what type of person Nico is, and I know
Speaker 5: the type of loyalty you've shown to players who's played
Speaker 5: for you, coaches, who's coach for you, general managers, who's
Speaker 5: been the general manager of your teams. I know the
Speaker 5: type of loyalty, And being in this business, I care
Speaker 5: about Nico, Like we built a great relationship.
Speaker 2: I still talk to Nico to this day.
Speaker 5: Like being in this business to see him uproot his
Speaker 5: family from Portland to Dallas that have been home forever
Speaker 5: and like and to know, like, but you're going to
Speaker 5: a guy that's going to be willing to grow with
Speaker 5: you like you're and.
Speaker 2: It's going to be loyal to you.
Speaker 5: I was really happy to see that because I knew
Speaker 5: it would be a good situation for him.
Speaker 1: The family, I mean, the kids, they're good people, right,
Speaker 1: So it makes it easy for me, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of letting him take his steps
Speaker 1: and you know, trusting him to do things. You know,
Speaker 1: I still still talk and everything, and you know, still
Speaker 1: get involved, but you know, every day he gets more
Speaker 1: and more responsibility and he just keeps on getting better.
Speaker 1: And that's all you can ask.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely incredible. That was That was a.
Speaker 5: Little rumor around that you were scared on what the
Speaker 5: next TV deal brings in that uh that that's one
Speaker 5: of the reasons you sold the team. Is there any
Speaker 5: truth to that in this? So what are you thinking
Speaker 5: about the new TV deal?
Speaker 1: Good question, right, You can't look at linear television and
Speaker 1: not be scared.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm on Shark Tank. I see her. Our ratings
Speaker 1: every week used to be like when the show aired,
Speaker 1: we'd have nine ten million viewers. Now there's three four
Speaker 1: million viewers, right, And that's the same thing across But
Speaker 1: on the flip side the shows that do do well sports, right,
Speaker 1: so they need us more. But then one step further,
Speaker 1: like Bally's was our local broadcaster and they want bankrupt, right,
Speaker 1: and so they got bailed out by Amazon. So if
Speaker 1: streamers come in and are as big as I think
Speaker 1: they are going to be, it won't be an issue. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: even if I'm eighty percent confident, there's always that twenty
Speaker 1: percent chance, right, So it's hard to peg it exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to have a problem for
Speaker 1: the next ten years after that. I have no idea, right,
Speaker 1: who knows what the world's going to be like from
Speaker 1: a technology and streaming and AI and multimedia. You know,
Speaker 1: what I do think is a source of revenue that
Speaker 1: is under monetized is social media, right, because we are
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. The NBA is huge on social media, right,
Speaker 1: you know that you see it. You know, guys in
Speaker 1: the NBA are you know, other than maybe you know
Speaker 1: soccer overseas, right, the biggest athletes on the planet, and
Speaker 1: that carries a lot of value. And so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I, you know, I pushed hard and continue
Speaker 1: to push hard that we're under monetizing that. So even
Speaker 1: if those deals aren't quite where I expect them to be.
Speaker 1: I think the social media side will pick up the
Speaker 1: slack at some point, maybe not this year, but five,
Speaker 1: ten years, whatever it is. So I think the NBA
Speaker 1: will be okay. So you know, from it wasn't so
Speaker 1: much that, but it was definitely the real estate side,
Speaker 1: like explained to you, and look, you know the whole
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of a watermelon. If we're able to
Speaker 1: get casino gaming passed resort casino gaming passed in Texas,
Speaker 1: could you imagine a Venetian built in downtown Dallas where
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks play.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: By the way, I love Dallas, So that's like music
Speaker 5: to my ears.
Speaker 2: I love that city.
Speaker 1: It's a great city.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's now saw something like between Dallas for worth up
Speaker 1: to eight million people and we're like the fifth largest,
Speaker 1: you know, DMA. So there's there's nothing but upside down here.
Speaker 1: But you need somebody who knows that business to take
Speaker 1: advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: But that's got to be a tough thing to get
Speaker 5: past in Texas. No, like with it being a red.
Speaker 1: State, Like yeah, I mean, now you know there's thirty
Speaker 1: one states that support gaming and so it's not as
Speaker 1: it's wins.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's that's amazing. I know if somebody, anybody can
Speaker 5: do a UK but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know about that. But you know,
Speaker 1: but we're not trying to pitch okay, more online gaming, right,
Speaker 1: It's not like this is not app based. We're talking
Speaker 1: about building a resort so that you know, you two
Speaker 1: can come in here and be the house band, right
Speaker 1: or Travis Scott can be the house ban and you
Speaker 1: know for different so you can bring everybody to the
Speaker 1: spot and it's going to generate billions in revenue for
Speaker 1: the state. You know, it's not going to generate two
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars like gaming does. Online gaming does. It's
Speaker 1: real money that states can't ignore. And the other thing
Speaker 1: like when I pitch it, right, it's like, what's the
Speaker 1: one spot that you want to in your family to
Speaker 1: come visit in Texas? What's the one vacation fund Texas?
Speaker 5: Well, I want to go to Dallas, but it's not
Speaker 5: really much of.
Speaker 1: A vacation exactly, in Dallas.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're saving your money absolutely.
Speaker 1: Coming to Dallas, Right, that's the whole point. That's why
Speaker 1: I think it'll pass.
Speaker 5: I love that, and I think I think it'll be
Speaker 5: great in the upside of that for that city, Like
Speaker 5: I don't think people know the amount of wealth that's
Speaker 5: actually in Dallas, Like for that city, Oh my god,
Speaker 5: it'd be through the roof.
Speaker 2: And then you're.
Speaker 5: Basing that around basketball team, like that's next level. Well,
Speaker 5: I must be honest. The first part of that interview,
Speaker 5: we got about twenty minutes left with Mark, and we're
Speaker 5: going to get into this right okay, okay, But the
Speaker 5: first part of that interview was for me. I wanted
Speaker 5: to ask you all of these questions and just things
Speaker 5: like I respect how brilliant you are, how intense you are,
Speaker 5: how you go about business.
Speaker 2: And that was for me.
Speaker 5: But let's get into some basketball stuff. Like you in
Speaker 5: twenty eleven, you won the championship and you were allowed
Speaker 5: about it and I loved it. But and and all
Speaker 5: the success that you've had, you know, like five point
Speaker 5: seven billion dollars Sell, I can't I can't get over
Speaker 5: that three point five recently, insane.
Speaker 2: Out of all the success that you have.
Speaker 5: Where does winning that championship rank amongst your career accomplishments?
Speaker 1: Well, after family, the money comes after the championship. No,
Speaker 1: the money comes before the championship, then the championship, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean Hilario O'Brien back there, right, all right, but
Speaker 1: he's lowly. I'm jealous of you. Right. That's that stuff
Speaker 1: is hard and so and it's been so long now, right,
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, until you guys won again,
Speaker 1: you know, two years ago, it was like, when's it
Speaker 1: going to happen again? And so it's just it's just
Speaker 1: hard and so can't happen soon enough. But it's definitely
Speaker 1: that was that was a great moment. But you know
Speaker 1: this better than I do. Right, it's almost anti climatic,
Speaker 1: and it's more a stress release than it is a
Speaker 1: celebration because you're building up. You're building up, you're building up,
Speaker 1: and you know that's the pinnacle, right, And when you
Speaker 1: get there, it's like you just expect the skies, the park,
Speaker 1: the scenes, the part and when it happened the first time,
Speaker 1: and you're like, nothing really changed, I mean other than
Speaker 1: the whole city going nuts and everything, but still you know,
Speaker 1: and so, but then that stress starts building again the
Speaker 1: next season even more so, and then the next season,
Speaker 1: so you know, just for the stress release of it all,
Speaker 1: I want more.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, I know, I get it. And you know
Speaker 5: what's crazy when we want our first one and to
Speaker 5: your point, being so anti climactic, when we want our
Speaker 5: first one, I was like, Wow, this feels amazing. Immediately
Speaker 5: after that, the feeling switch to I can't imagine never
Speaker 5: filling this feeling again. It almost becomes depressing, right.
Speaker 1: Stress begins right, So I'm like, we're just gonna go party.
Speaker 1: I'm putting all this out of my mind. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go have a good time. We're going club, whatever, dirt, whatever, jet,
Speaker 1: whatever those guys want. Yes, that's what exactly we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I get back, and you know, that's what makes this
Speaker 1: business different than every other because the city's on fire, right,
Speaker 1: You're going to have a parade, people are screaming in
Speaker 1: the streets, everybody's pouring out, and you're just dying to
Speaker 1: get back there to be part of it. I took
Speaker 1: that trophy everywhere. I never had to buy a drink
Speaker 1: for another year, even outside of Dallas, because we beat
Speaker 1: the Heatles, right, and so it was just but then,
Speaker 1: like you said, and honestly, that was when we had
Speaker 1: a lockout and I never thought we were going to
Speaker 1: go back and play it all. I really thought we
Speaker 1: were going to miss the whole year, and so it
Speaker 1: made it even crazier.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's that's amazing.
Speaker 5: Well, and then y'all on and y'all have like the
Speaker 5: largest bill and live in one of the largest guys
Speaker 5: at that time and lived nightclub history. And that's when lived,
Speaker 5: Like live today is great, it's lived, but live then
Speaker 5: live was a totally different story. That's when live was lived.
Speaker 5: How was that night a party? Because that, by the way,
Speaker 5: we went to Vegas after our championship and I will
Speaker 5: never forget that true.
Speaker 2: How was that night?
Speaker 1: Oh it's insane, right, I mean, you know, they have
Speaker 1: the stage where the DJ is and we're up there
Speaker 1: stinging and I've got this one hundred and forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars bottle of champagne and we're trying to lift it
Speaker 1: and drink it and you know, just stupid shit that
Speaker 1: if there weren't videos and pictures, I'd never remember, right.
Speaker 5: Yes, that kind of night that's amazing. Oh man, that's incredible.
Speaker 5: I would have loved I would have paid to be
Speaker 5: there for that celebration. Oh man, Miami, that's the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2: That's the time.
Speaker 5: So very very important moment in NBA history, and it's
Speaker 5: important now on an individual level.
Speaker 2: This guy is so incredible.
Speaker 5: It will soon be important on a team level as well,
Speaker 5: with the trajectory of his career.
Speaker 2: Drafting Luka Doncic.
Speaker 5: And it took a trade for y'all for y'all to
Speaker 5: do that. Just talk talk to me about how that
Speaker 5: came about, How how y'all knew Luca was the guy
Speaker 5: because I had a friend. Well, I have a friend
Speaker 5: that played overseas, played year old league player, and when
Speaker 5: Luca was like seventeen years old, sixteen, He's like, Yo,
Speaker 5: it's this sixteen, seventeen year old over here on Real Madrid.
Speaker 5: I'm telling y'all he going to be the next one.
Speaker 5: And a couple of me and my boys was like, yo,
Speaker 5: you don't think.
Speaker 2: He too slow.
Speaker 5: You don't think and he's like, no, I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: he going to get to whatever spot he wanted to
Speaker 5: get to. He's smart, he shoot like talk to me,
Speaker 5: talk to me about drafting Luca. What was that process.
Speaker 1: Like, Like our scouts had it DeAndre eighty number one,
Speaker 1: our analytics had Luca number one. And so it was
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't a battle, right because we knew
Speaker 1: Eighton was going to go number one. Right then the
Speaker 1: question was what happens next? Yes, we're thinking for sure,
Speaker 1: you know Luca is going number two because they have
Speaker 1: there's a connection there. Everything right, and didn't happen. Right
Speaker 1: gets to number three, and first of all, the crazy
Speaker 1: part is, I'm not going to use the word, but
Speaker 1: we worked hard to have the third worst record in
Speaker 1: the NBA. We fell right to number five. The MAVs
Speaker 1: have never moved up in the draft, never moved up,
Speaker 1: only stayed the same or gone down. So we fall
Speaker 1: to five. And so we're hearing that the Hawks won
Speaker 1: trade and the general managers are talking, talking, talking, not
Speaker 1: getting done. So about thirty minutes to go, it's coming
Speaker 1: up to our time. You know, either get it done
Speaker 1: and we're not. We're not going to have a chance.
Speaker 1: And so I ended up getting on the phone with
Speaker 1: the Hawk's owner and we hashed it out ourselves, and
Speaker 1: it was like, look, the general managers. They're all over
Speaker 1: negotiating owner and the owner, let's just get this done.
Speaker 1: And with about fifteen minutes to go before our pick,
Speaker 1: we got it done.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 5: Now that's a pro move, Mark because Luca and by
Speaker 5: the way, Trey Young has had an incredible career, a
Speaker 5: great career.
Speaker 2: Uh, But Luca Lucas generational, Like Luca is.
Speaker 5: On any given night the best player in the NBA,
Speaker 5: like you know, So Lucas generational to me is just
Speaker 5: a little different.
Speaker 2: Trade is great. I think trade is incredible.
Speaker 1: But you just don't know, right. I mean, look, we
Speaker 1: make the trade and we go to China to play,
Speaker 1: and Sean Marion and I forget who else from the NBA.
Speaker 1: You know how they have ambassadors when you go overseas
Speaker 1: and everything, and they're sitting next to me and he's
Speaker 1: starting to play. I'm like, tell me what you think.
Speaker 1: Tell you because you just don't know, right, Yes, no,
Speaker 1: until you know, you know, nobody picks somebody at the
Speaker 1: top of the draft thinking they suck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's a fact.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is that you see, you're just praying to
Speaker 1: God that that's what comes through. And so we don't know.
Speaker 1: And in the preseason, you're starting to see little glimmers,
Speaker 1: and then the regular season and he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: still getting started and still finding his way, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you start seeing these things. You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is the guy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: So I have a question to ask you because you
Speaker 5: said you got on the phone with the Hawks owner.
Speaker 5: I'm assuming Tony Wrestler. Okay, So I'm assuming you got
Speaker 5: on Tony. And at this time, Tony's what two years
Speaker 5: into owning the Hawks. If even two years, it pretty
Speaker 5: fairly new. You've now been in this for twenty years? Uh?
Speaker 5: Is that a classic moment of saying when you hire
Speaker 5: a general manager, let them do their job. And here's
Speaker 5: why I asked that, because you who's been in there
Speaker 5: for twenty years, your like, you and Joe are probably
Speaker 5: as much of decision makers when it comes to basketball
Speaker 5: as there are of any owners in the NBA. And
Speaker 5: you get on the phone and you hash this out
Speaker 5: with Tony. But the difference between Luca and Trey has
Speaker 5: been a fireable offense for other people and you, But you.
Speaker 1: Know the Hawks go to the conference finals his year, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you just don't know. And they're looking brilliant. We don't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, right, and no, we make the playoffs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we make the player. No, we didn't make the playoffs
Speaker 1: that first year, right, Yeah, And they're looking like heroes right, yes,
Speaker 1: the conference finals and we haven't made the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: so you just don't know, and it just takes time.
Speaker 1: And like we were talking earlier, you can have a
Speaker 1: generational player. You can have Michael Jordan, you can have Lebron.
Speaker 1: Lebron didn't make the playoffs this first year. You know,
Speaker 1: Michael didn't make the playoffs the first couple of years,
Speaker 1: and so it takes a team for sure.
Speaker 5: Vladi Dvac lost his job over that because he drafted
Speaker 5: Arvin Bagley.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: Travis Slink has been out in Atlanta. But that doesn't
Speaker 5: seem like your your way to go, like you had
Speaker 5: Donnie for years like that. You don't you ironically, Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 5: you don't seem to flip guys much. What's your like,
Speaker 5: what's your take on building front offices and coaches and
Speaker 5: retaining them because they get flipped over like nobody tomorrow
Speaker 5: around this league.
Speaker 2: But you don't quite take that approach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, until you've got something better to go to,
Speaker 1: why would you change? Right, Hiring a coach in particular
Speaker 1: is the hardest job in professional sports because walking the door.
Speaker 1: And they're smart, right, that's why they're got They've got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be a head coach in the NBA.
Speaker 1: So they can tell you, point by point by point
Speaker 1: what's already wrong with your team, and they can tell
Speaker 1: you what they think they want to do to get
Speaker 1: it there and what you need to do. And it's
Speaker 1: hard to say no too, So you've got to look
Speaker 1: at the non obvious factors, like when we got and
Speaker 1: it depends on your team too. So like when we
Speaker 1: went from Avery Johnson to Rick, we had the team
Speaker 1: that we had, but we needed just a different kind
Speaker 1: of voice, right, And then when Rick left, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get a different kind of voice with Jay Kidd,
Speaker 1: you know, because Nico was coming in at the same
Speaker 1: time too, And so you know, unless there's a reason
Speaker 1: to change, or I've got something better, why change?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, no, I definitely understand that. And speaking continuing
Speaker 5: on the laying of basketball and what you've done with
Speaker 5: the Mavericks, Dirk obviously has statue, obviously Hall of Fame,
Speaker 5: obviously Championship, MVP, more accolades up until this point. But
Speaker 5: do you think that Luka Doncis has a chance to
Speaker 5: be the greatest Maverick ever in Like, obviously Dirk is
Speaker 5: who Dirk is.
Speaker 1: I'm no disrespect to Dirt. Dirk knows I love him
Speaker 1: to death, right, dirty, and I go way way back.
Speaker 1: But Dirk will be the first one to tell you
Speaker 1: Luca's better.
Speaker 2: Interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: Dirt put Dirt put me in a blender at four
Speaker 5: already barely being able to run, so.
Speaker 1: Jump over the line, right, But you can shoot, and
Speaker 1: he's smart. But you needed to get him the ball, yes,
Speaker 1: And that's part of what's changed. Like you need almost
Speaker 1: have to have a six six sixty seven six '
Speaker 1: eight guy who can control the ball and get a shot,
Speaker 1: you know, or get shots for others, because the game
Speaker 1: is so much faster and so much more skilled. Right
Speaker 1: Whereas before you knew that there would be somebody good
Speaker 1: guarding Dirk and they were double him, but you just
Speaker 1: had to get him the ball in one of the
Speaker 1: spots and let him go to work. Absolutely, the game's changed.
Speaker 1: You can't just do that anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I understand that that definitely makes a difference.
Speaker 5: You made one of the controversial moves as of late
Speaker 5: in the NBA and going going out to get Kyrie
Speaker 5: Irving for a variety of reason. Actually was talking about
Speaker 5: Kyrie Irving on podcasts a couple of nights to just
Speaker 5: run and throw a left hand run and hook like
Speaker 5: and like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: You can't even talk about that. Look like a two
Speaker 1: k right, It's like.
Speaker 5: Why would you do that? Like what would entice you
Speaker 5: to try that like at that moment in the game.
Speaker 6: But he is that skilled, right, He's probably only shot
Speaker 6: that ball, you know, that same shot maybe from not
Speaker 6: twenty one feet but eight or fifteen feet.
Speaker 2: Yes, he has.
Speaker 5: Kyrie is one of the most, if not the most
Speaker 5: skilled guy in the NBA.
Speaker 2: But at the time he had been going through the
Speaker 2: things with.
Speaker 5: The Jewish video, the anti Semitic, Semitic video that everyone
Speaker 5: was speaking about that it was on his Instagram, and
Speaker 5: he had been suspended with the COVID uh not suspended,
Speaker 5: but ruled out due to the COVID vaccine and all
Speaker 5: of those things. And you took it up on yourself,
Speaker 5: you Nico and your staff took it up on yourselves
Speaker 5: and say no, we want this guy, Like, what was
Speaker 5: the thinking and then also knowing that he's a free
Speaker 5: agent and kawalk like, what was the thinking behind the process.
Speaker 2: Of going to get Kyrie?
Speaker 1: One? When you watch Kai back then and now after
Speaker 1: any game, he's hugging five guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 1: It's not like high five quick hug walk out the court.
Speaker 1: He's hugging you like you're related. Yes, you know, and
Speaker 1: that that's different. And when you talk to people around
Speaker 1: him before that we did the deal, nobody disliked him.
Speaker 1: Everybody loved him. When you talk to teammates, you know,
Speaker 1: current informers loved them right, and when you ask them
Speaker 1: what the issue was, it was like, well, you know, media,
Speaker 1: you know, and Kyrie's just a caring guy and sometimes
Speaker 1: he lets that heart come through and the media doesn't
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm like, shit, I can deal with the media.
Speaker 1: This is Dallas. I've grown up dealing with the media.
Speaker 1: I'll take all those bullets like I've done for other guys,
Speaker 1: you know, and then Nico knows them and you know,
Speaker 1: help them issue. Nico's like, guy's great. Everybody you know,
Speaker 1: I know the kid, he's a good kid. He's got
Speaker 1: a great heart. Just you know, bad situation. If COVID
Speaker 1: never happened, probably be a completely different situation, right, So
Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, let's go for it, and let me
Speaker 1: just tell you I love Ti to death. You know,
Speaker 1: the more I talk to him, he's just he's got
Speaker 1: a heart of gold, right, And he cares about too
Speaker 1: many things, right. If he's got a problem, it's like
Speaker 1: he's too caring about too many things. He's a dude,
Speaker 1: like when you're when you're in college and you and
Speaker 1: your guys are talking about alcohol and getting drunk and
Speaker 1: you know, girls, he wants to talk about world peace
Speaker 1: and the indigenous tribes of Australia, right, and you know
Speaker 1: everything else is off limits. Everybody else is doing their thing, right,
Speaker 1: I just wants to open up and talk about that.
Speaker 1: And when you're on social media and you're talking to
Speaker 1: the media about those things, there's no nuance in this world,
Speaker 1: any world, right, They're not going to get that. And
Speaker 1: like Kain I will talk like after Hama's attack Israel, right,
Speaker 1: and we're talking and we're like, I'm like, what do
Speaker 1: you think, Kai, And he's like look, terrorist is wrong, right,
Speaker 1: but how can you not feel for the you know,
Speaker 1: not only the people that got slaughtered in Israel, but
Speaker 1: what's going to happen to the Gazans? Right, and what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. He's not like taking sides. And he's
Speaker 1: certainly against terrorism, and he's like clear, I'm against terrorism,
Speaker 1: but he wants to feel how other people feel, you know,
Speaker 1: he respects that pain, you know, and it's not just
Speaker 1: you know the Middle East, it's Australia, it's Soudan, it's
Speaker 1: you know, American Indians in this country, it's Lakota tribe.
Speaker 1: Like I'm sending them links to documentaries on the Lakota tribe. Right.
Speaker 1: He wants to learn and he wants to care about
Speaker 1: those things. And how many people do you know like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fact. Not many. So that's a special
Speaker 2: person he is.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's somebody that when you get you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain people when you hug them, you feel who
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: That's Kyrie Irvy one percent.
Speaker 5: Did you take as a Jewish man though, did you
Speaker 5: take like did you get a lot of backlash from
Speaker 5: like Jewish friends or Jewish family members?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, yeah, no, but the men, and I talked
Speaker 1: to him like, dude, I talked to him. He's not
Speaker 1: anti semitic. Yes, people who are more anti Semitic than
Speaker 1: he is not. You just got to talk to him.
Speaker 1: And you know, but Kyrie did have to adjust, right,
Speaker 1: he had to. Like we had a conversations like, look, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you can't just say these things on social media or
Speaker 1: wherever expect people to understand how you feel about them.
Speaker 1: So you have to be a little bit more careful.
Speaker 1: And he goes, You're right, I will be.
Speaker 5: And he has been, and he has been. It's absolutely
Speaker 5: wonderful to watch. I'm happy for kay We got a
Speaker 5: chance to win an Olympic medal together in twenty sixteen
Speaker 5: and built a really good relationship.
Speaker 2: And I'm happy to see him doing what.
Speaker 5: He thriving at it and not having to deal with
Speaker 5: all of the stuff that he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Like to do. Yeah. I mean, it's just the joy
Speaker 1: in his eyes, Like he's bringing his daughter into the
Speaker 1: locker room after every game and his kids when they're there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just he brings joy to what he does.
Speaker 1: And he's the first to tell you this is my profession.
Speaker 1: I want to be great at my craft. I want
Speaker 1: to be the best all time, but I also want
Speaker 1: to be a human being because I got to live
Speaker 1: a much longer life after I'm done playing. But I
Speaker 1: want to have my tribe, right, I want to have
Speaker 1: my community. That's important to me. And you know, we
Speaker 1: don't talk about it as much now as we did
Speaker 1: during the off season, but you know, just being able
Speaker 1: to communicate with him about those things, it's special. And
Speaker 1: it's like now with Ramadan, right, it's not like okay, no,
Speaker 1: it's okay, let's make sure we have food. Ridikuo and
Speaker 1: I have the conversation. The minute that sun goes down,
Speaker 1: feed the guy playing, I forget where we were playing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it wasn't anyways, he's looking you could
Speaker 1: tell what time it was, right, And the minute he's
Speaker 1: got a time out, he ran to the back and
Speaker 1: he came out with some food and everything, and I'm like, oh, ship, right,
Speaker 1: we got to do that right. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about it originally, and it was like the first day
Speaker 1: of Ramana, and so Niko and I talked and Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to get this right for him. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's just those little things that when you respect the player,
Speaker 1: you know, from Luca to Kai to all the way down.
Speaker 1: When you respect him, they know it right and how
Speaker 1: and it helps no one.
Speaker 5: It does help, and that's what makes guys want to
Speaker 5: come back and stay somewhere for their entire careers, for
Speaker 5: the rest of their careers.
Speaker 2: It helps one. A couple more questions.
Speaker 5: But before we get out of here, and speaking of
Speaker 5: Kai and Luca, what does this team need currently? You
Speaker 5: guys went out and got big Daniel Gaffer, who I
Speaker 5: think was still by the way like he been tucked
Speaker 5: in Washington, and that's been tough. Daniel Gaffer is a
Speaker 5: steal and so Nico special.
Speaker 1: That's Nico one hundred percent of the way right. That
Speaker 1: was see, like we got it done. We got it done, right.
Speaker 1: I think we just we got to stay healthy like everybody, right,
Speaker 1: and just a little bit more time, you know, because
Speaker 1: we basically are changing how we play, right, So we've
Speaker 1: now we can be vertical forty eight minutes. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: couldn't do that before. So and so guys who are
Speaker 1: shooting threes before aren't getting quite as many rhythm shots,
Speaker 1: which has made it a little bit tougher on them,
Speaker 1: right because before like with Timmy and Josh Green and Maxie,
Speaker 1: they were getting more threes, but now we're just getting
Speaker 1: lobs right, and so our centers are putting up twenty
Speaker 1: five and fourteen right. It's just like we brought in Shack.
Speaker 1: You know, we've just got to get used to that rhythm.
Speaker 1: But and then defensive, like you know, you just got
Speaker 1: to get you've got to get put together right, so
Speaker 1: everybody knows exactly how we're and when right and so.
Speaker 1: But it's coming together right, you see it. And then
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of teams, we just got
Speaker 1: to not relax, you know when we've got you know,
Speaker 1: you win a big game and then you play against
Speaker 1: somebody you think you should be easy. There are no
Speaker 1: easy games in the NBA anymore. Just too much talent.
Speaker 2: That's a fact.
Speaker 5: And I think you're ahead of the curve when you
Speaker 5: talk about getting vertical, having bigs that can get vertical
Speaker 5: the whole game, because.
Speaker 2: The game, the game is doing a weird thing right now.
Speaker 5: As you know, the NBA game changes every four to
Speaker 5: six years dramatically, and the game is doing a weird
Speaker 5: thing right now where it's getting bigger, but it's not
Speaker 5: only is it getting bigger, it's getting more athletic and faster,
Speaker 5: and y'all are covering those bases well with a big
Speaker 5: dan you got for Derry Lively will be an All
Speaker 5: Star in this in this league like, and you guys
Speaker 5: are covering that. So that's absolutely great to see.
Speaker 1: Lord, right, rookie, Yes, yes, here we are. But we're
Speaker 1: changing our style of play in real time and that
Speaker 1: takes time on both ends of the court. But you
Speaker 1: know that, you know the opportunity is there.
Speaker 5: Yes, and with this obviously me being a dub uh
Speaker 5: and coming here. When I came here, the only thing
Speaker 5: I would hear, what's your favorite Warriors moment?
Speaker 2: Do we believe team in O seven? That's all we
Speaker 2: were hearing me and stuff.
Speaker 5: Me and Stephan Clay used to laugh, like these people
Speaker 5: are just excited about the first round victory, Like what
Speaker 5: is going on around time?
Speaker 1: Except for me, it was horrible. Let me say the
Speaker 1: best part about the best part about that series. If
Speaker 1: there was one right to put aside losing right, I
Speaker 1: would walk out to the court right from the back
Speaker 1: in Oakland, and the minute I hit the court, the
Speaker 1: whole place would start chanting. Cuban sucksub such Cuban sucks.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what I like to put up
Speaker 1: on the jumbo tron, and then I'd walk out to
Speaker 1: see if they did it again.
Speaker 2: Shuck.
Speaker 5: By the way, I get that at every arena I
Speaker 5: walk into outside UH. I get a little bit in
Speaker 5: Detroit because there's some Michigan fans, but not really so
Speaker 5: outside of Chase. Detroit and Boston fans can't boom me
Speaker 5: really anymore. They stopped, they stopped. But other than that,
Speaker 5: I get it everywhere I go. Last question, I appreciate you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you taking the time you openly spoke about UH,
Speaker 5: and you just mentioned it earlier. The guys that you've lost,
Speaker 5: and Steve Nash being one of them, how did that
Speaker 5: propel you as an owner to help you grow?
Speaker 2: Y'all? I think y'all offers Nash somewhere around.
Speaker 5: Nine million a year for four years, and he got
Speaker 5: sixty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I still got the pad where I took the
Speaker 1: notes where Steve called me to give me that last chance,
Speaker 1: right where I wrote down Mike Bibby money. No, lie,
Speaker 1: I've got it written down on that sheet of paper.
Speaker 1: Mike Bibbie money is what he wanted, which was like
Speaker 1: the max out at the time, which sounds so insane
Speaker 1: right now, right, But it was more you know that
Speaker 1: Steve had only played like twenty eight twenty nine minutes
Speaker 1: a game that previous year, and we were worried about
Speaker 1: the injuries. Yeah, and just that was it in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: And so it wasn't any disrespect to his game. And
Speaker 1: and honestly, I think that propelled Steve right, the fact
Speaker 1: that we let him go and et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and two time MVP, great guy, loved the death. You know,
Speaker 1: we're friends again. But yeah, it was a mistake, the
Speaker 1: biggest mistake I ever made with the MAVs.
Speaker 2: I mean, but does Dirk become the Dirk that he
Speaker 2: became of Steve? Still? Was Steve become Steve? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I'd rather take my chances for those two guys
Speaker 1: can agree.
Speaker 2: I agree, agree.
Speaker 1: I screwed up really really, really bad. In hindsight, No,
Speaker 1: and we all do.
Speaker 2: Mark. I can't thank you enough. This is this is
Speaker 2: an honor for me.
Speaker 5: I think back to that day and by the way,
Speaker 5: one thing, one thing I can't admit, you were right.
Speaker 5: I was dumb and shit and didn't know business how
Speaker 5: I thought I knew business at that time.
Speaker 1: State were killing on me right like it was something else.
Speaker 1: I was just like, Oh, it's just.
Speaker 2: Can but listen you.
Speaker 5: I look back at some of the statements I would
Speaker 5: make back then about business and I'd be like, dude,
Speaker 5: you had no clue what you were talking about, and
Speaker 5: you thought you did. It's even like not to throw straight,
Speaker 5: but it is what it is to see Caleb Williams
Speaker 5: come out like, whatever team drafts me, I want ownership
Speaker 5: of the team.
Speaker 2: When I saw.
Speaker 5: Him say that, I was like, that's how I used
Speaker 5: to look when I would make some of these statements
Speaker 5: like it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: I still say a lot of stupid ship. But you
Speaker 1: know what, if you're staying stupid shit, you're trying new ship,
Speaker 1: right this is that's not a bad thing. So I
Speaker 1: can live with my mistakes, man. But yeah, I appreciate
Speaker 1: it that.
Speaker 2: That to me was a big moment.
Speaker 5: And when when you said that, I didn't necessarily take
Speaker 5: it like bad. I was just like, let me look
Speaker 5: deeper into that.
Speaker 2: And as I have, what were you right? And I
Speaker 2: was far.
Speaker 1: Off, Oh I wish you were in the league when
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson and I would go at it right because
Speaker 1: then it was pre social media, and he would give
Speaker 1: me shit in the newspaper or whatever, and then I
Speaker 1: would go right back at him right. I called him
Speaker 1: my bucket boy. I called him you know, Shaq and
Speaker 1: Kobe and the band of Merry Minimums. So I would
Speaker 1: go hard at it because it was so much fun
Speaker 1: because you would just talk to the beat reporter. The
Speaker 1: beat reporter would like take it and run with it,
Speaker 1: and there was no you know, it'd be on the
Speaker 1: internet on a web page somewhere, but there was no
Speaker 1: social media to put it out immediately. So it was
Speaker 1: a different day. But it was fun. I mean, so
Speaker 1: if you ever talked to Shaq, ask him about Shaq Albert, right, Albert?
Speaker 1: So remember Fat Albert? You know, Yes, I made a video.
Speaker 1: I made a cartoon where we put Shaq's head on
Speaker 1: Fat Albert and we was like, hey, hey, hey, Shaq Albert,
Speaker 1: and we showed it right before he was showed shoot
Speaker 1: free throws, and Shaq would just crack up, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I can't. You can't get away with that
Speaker 1: stuff anymore. But I every button that I could.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that is amazing.
Speaker 5: And that that my friend is me in a nutshell.
Speaker 2: I push every button that I can.
Speaker 5: I can't thank you enough. Mark, This is an honor,
Speaker 5: absolute pleasure. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with myself,
Speaker 5: with our fan base. Uh first owner that we've had
Speaker 5: on the show. Thank you so much. I truly appreciate it,
Speaker 5: and all of my dumb shit that I said. I
Speaker 5: appreciate you never taking the personal never.
Speaker 1: Man, it's the same ways my skin is really really thick, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't care.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it a lot of fun. It was a
Speaker 1: great interview.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate you Mark. Yes, sir
Speaker 5: go does. We'll see y'all soon next week.