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Speaker 1: Kenny Wayne Shephard is one of the most successful blues

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Speaker 1: in all of our work. And did you hear about

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Speaker 1: well she's being called the Phillies, Karen. I'll explain on

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Speaker 1: this edition of A Royal Grande. Come on, I'm ran

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Speaker 1: an Arroyo. Welcome to a Royo Grande. Go subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the show right now, turn those notifications on so you

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Speaker 1: know what's coming. Oh, we've got some big legendary guests coming.

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Speaker 1: Before we go to Kenny Wayne Shepherd, let's check out

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Speaker 1: the culture counter up first. A new study released this

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Speaker 1: week claims that LSD reduces anxiety at least in those tests.

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Speaker 1: And it should come as no surprise that this study

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Speaker 1: was sponsored by the drug company mind Med, who is

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Speaker 1: a country full of potheads, why not hallucinating zombies. So

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Speaker 1: think about this rationally for a moment. Junior is suffering

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Speaker 1: from anxiety over exams, let's say so his physician's going

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Speaker 1: to give him a hallucinogenic drug. Can't wait to see

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Speaker 1: what they prescribe to the kid who's too timid to date.

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Speaker 1: Viagracrack and a weekend at an OnlyFans convention. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's anxiety, not polio. Does every human malady need a

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Speaker 1: script and a copey? I think not. LSD's not exactly

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Speaker 1: magnesium or B twelve. According to Frontiers in Psychiatry, LSD

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Speaker 1: it causes distortions of time and identity, visual hallucinations, delusions,

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Speaker 1: There's a reason LSD is an illegal substance.

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Speaker 1: The long term effects are persistent psychosis, prolonged visual disturbances,

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Speaker 1: mood swings, and paranoia. But look at the bright side.

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Speaker 1: You're ready for a rubber room. But at least your

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Speaker 1: anxiety has gone. Drug manufacturers have been trying to legitimize

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Speaker 1: these hallucinogenics for a long time. Last year, drug manufacturers

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Speaker 1: the drug ecstasy aka molly, the party drug, can treat PTSD.

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Speaker 1: The FDA rejected their claims, citing flawed studies. Even the

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Speaker 1: military now has gotten in on the act. Believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, the twenty twenty four National Defense Authorization Act

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Speaker 1: actually turned our veterans into drug company guinea pigs. And

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Speaker 1: guess who's paying for the clinical trials? You the taxpayer.

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Speaker 1: It authorized psychedelic therapy for any VET suffering from PTSD

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Speaker 1: or brain injuries. That's right, vets can receive magic mushrooms, ecstasy,

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Speaker 1: and other psychedelics. Why would they authorize the use of

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Speaker 1: these dangerous and ban drugs on our veterans? They need

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Speaker 1: drug like ecstasy whose psychological effects include anxiety and panic attacks, confusion, depression, paranoia,

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Speaker 1: and sleep difficulties. Do better, Congress, and let's leave the

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Speaker 1: widespread hallucinogenic drugs where they belong in the nineteen sixties

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Speaker 1: and seventies. Up next, what is it about watching live

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Speaker 1: sports that brings out the worst in adults? In recent days,

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Speaker 1: we've seen some of the most childish behavior from grown

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Speaker 1: Phillies Karen, screamed at the father until he forfeited his

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Speaker 1: But why are adults so poorly behaved at sporting events? Sports,

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Speaker 2: Airlines want lose sized people to pay extra.

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Speaker 3: Now, like, hello, your tiny seats barely fit Ashiwawa, please

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Speaker 3: drop your solutions below because there is no way I'm

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Speaker 1: Now to our deep dive. Kenny Wayne Shephard is one

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Speaker 1: He's won multiple awards, sells out arenas. But what's so

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Speaker 1: Young Fashioned Ways, you're pairing with a ninety one year

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Speaker 3: Well, So Bobby Rush a little bit of backstory. Bobby

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Speaker 4: Wow. And so you know, this man.

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Speaker 3: Is somebody I've been aware of for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I've seen him play before more than once, and you know,

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Speaker 3: he's got his own thing going on like one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'd never played music with him before

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Speaker 4: So we did about three or four songs.

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Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, like the first from the first

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Speaker 3: this girl whatever the highest rate, and you think it's

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Speaker 2: Did you do covers? What were you saying? What did

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Speaker 4: That day? Always a couple of just standard blues songs.

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Speaker 3: He just got up, like, you know, Mannish Boy, the

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Speaker 3: Muddy Water song, I did Elmore James song.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, listen, I I listened to this album

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Speaker 1: It is such a classic old school bluesyet, you know,

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Speaker 2: These so somebody going on my back door. It's so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's full, it's fun, it's earthy. Forty

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Speaker 3: I had no idea.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know one song we were going to record.

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Speaker 1: And he also because he'd played with you and had

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Speaker 4: You know, the early blues music, and it was everything.

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Speaker 1: You know the BB King line about Stevie ray Vaughn

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Speaker 3: That really Brian Lee was Bourbon Street, the old Absent

437
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: House bar in New Orleans, thirteen years old, first time ever.

438
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 4: On stage, And what was that like?

439
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: Well, it was it was a turning point for me

440
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: because I was really I was really shy, even after I.

441
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 4: Put my band together stuff. I used to have long blonde.

442
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 3: Hair and I would kind of ride behind behind the

443
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: hair and but Brian, that was the first time I

444
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 3: really got to perform in front of people. And I

445
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: remember thinking to myself that this is either going to

446
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: go really well or it's going to go horribly wrong,

447
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: and if it does, I'm never going to do this again,

448
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: like ever. And so I got up there, I did

449
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 3: my two sons, have my hair behind, behind my hair,

450
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 3: and I did. He said two songs and then you know,

451
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: you got to get out. This is my show, kid.

452
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 3: But I did the two songs and then I went

453
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: to get down and he was like, don't go anywhere,

454
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: and he kept me up all night long.

455
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 4: I played till like three or four o'clock in the

456
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 4: morning with him. Got my first standing ovations how old

457
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 4: are you? Thirteen? And that was like, Okay, maybe I

458
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 4: can do something with this, and that set that began.

459
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: That was like, it's a trajectory between so thirteen I

460
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: did that. Fourteen I did my first demo recordings. Fifteen

461
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: I formed my band. Sixteen I signed a major record contract,

462
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 3: but it was video.

463
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: It was video of that that Red River Rebel that yeah,

464
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: you're thirteen years old, plaink it was that video that

465
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: got you the record contract.

466
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: Well, the Red River Rebel was when I was fifteen

467
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: or fifteen, okay year old. So I put my band together,

468
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: started doing shows and we filmed that shows in my

469
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: hometown as Outdoor Festival had a good crowd. But that

470
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: was a tool that we used to send to record

471
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: labels that were expressing some interest so that they could

472
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: actually see, you know, because rumors started flying all over

473
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: the country about this kid from Louisiana playing blues music.

474
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: The word was getting to New.

475
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: York, LA everywhere, and we were getting phone calls and

476
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: my dad was like, we need to film a show

477
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: and we can send them this video.

478
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: And so yes, that's what eventually helped us.

479
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: And what did they see, Kenny, What do you think

480
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: they saw in that video? Well?

481
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: It's interesting because you know, I'm my own worst critic,

482
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 3: and so I look back and I've never felt like

483
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: I've come to realize that I've earned my place here

484
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 3: and then I.

485
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 4: Belong where I'm at.

486
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: But I never thought of myself as being anyone special

487
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: or anyone different than anybody else.

488
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 4: I'm just a guy who loves music.

489
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: And loves to play guitar, right, So I was always

490
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: kind of baffled that, like people had the reaction that

491
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 3: they had to me when I was playing music, because

492
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm just I'm just a kid

493
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: playing guitar.

494
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: But I look back at that video and I go, well, what.

495
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: They saw was they saw as a fifteen or sixteen

496
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: year old kid playing guitar.

497
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 4: In my opinion, at that time.

498
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: Maybe there wasn't a lot of people doing it at

499
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: that level at that time, but there's a lot of

500
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 3: because of social media now, you can see everybody that

501
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: plays guitar online and there's a lot of like kids

502
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: that are sixteen now that I think if more advanced

503
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: than I was then.

504
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

505
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: There's a difference between like being able to play great

506
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 3: and being a great player, because there's a lot of

507
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: great players and somebody that has the it factor and

508
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: that's what they're looking for, And somebody obviously saw that

509
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: there was more to me than just a teenage guitar player.

510
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that Hendrix line about the blues. The blues

511
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: are easy to play but hard to feel.

512
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that, and then there's also like the songs.

513
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I was already playing original songs at that point,

514
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: and so that's a huge thing. If you're going to

515
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: get into business with a record company, you can't be

516
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: a cover band.

517
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you have to have material that they think.

518
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: Is marketing well.

519
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: Ledbetter heights hits in nineteen ninety five when you listen

520
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: to that, Now, what did the seventeen year old or

521
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: eighteen year old Kenny not know?

522
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh, you know not.

523
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: I didn't know hardly anything, but I knew what I

524
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: needed to know to get the job done, which was

525
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: which was I needed to play straight from the heart

526
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: and communicate through my instrument and I needed to be

527
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: true to myself and play the and record the music

528
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: I felt inspired to play and record. So like Irving Azof,

529
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: who's one of the most powerful men in the entertainment

530
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: industry by far, he's the one that signed me to

531
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: his record label, personally Giant Records, when he was running

532
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 3: Giant Records, And he asked me at the time, because

533
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: I didn't sing, my problem was I could play beyond

534
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: my years. But when I opened my mouth and sang,

535
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: I sounded like a kid, and those things didn't match

536
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: up for me. And I had standards that I heard

537
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 3: from my music, So if my voice couldn't meet that standard,

538
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 3: I was going to find somebody else who's could, right.

539
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: So I remember him telling me when he was signing me.

540
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: He was like, hey man, what kind of record are

541
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: you going to make? And I'm like, I don't know.

542
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go make it Kenny Wayne Sheppard record.

543
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: I guess, he goes, Look, he goes, I don't care

544
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: if you make an all instrumental record if you have

545
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: a guy singing on it, like, just go make the

546
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: album you feel inspired to make.

547
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 4: He gave me permission to do that from day one,

548
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: and I've.

549
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: Done that my entire career, and not everybody has that

550
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: luxury because a lot of times people are making artists,

551
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: they're trying to make them be who they think they should.

552
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: So I just followed my instinct and I've been true

553
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: to that my entire career, and thankfully it's brought us

554
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 3: to this point.

555
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean trouble Is, which is nineteen ninety seven

556
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: the longest running Billboard Blues chart topper for an album ever.

557
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: You still hold that record, you go seven singles in

558
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: the top ten.

559
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: You go back and re record.

560
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: That album on the twenty fifth niver Why do that,

561
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Kenny Well?

562
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 4: For there's multiple reasons.

563
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: First was to acknowledge the twenty fifth anniversary of that album,

564
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: because that was arguably our most mainstream successful record, Blue

565
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: on Black, Mass of It.

566
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: Why did those songs hit Little one Black and somewhere.

567
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

568
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's the right place at the

569
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: right time, the right music. I mean I tell people

570
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: all the time, like there's so many things that have

571
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: to happen in order for you to be successful, for

572
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: a song to reach its potential, and that song I

573
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: think didn't reach its full potential, to be honest with you,

574
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: because at the time, and I don't know anybody would

575
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: argue with me about this, I don't think. But at

576
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: the time the record company had it. They did a

577
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: great job at rock radio, but I think they were

578
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: kind of lacking in the top forty department and trying

579
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: to figure out how to get that song to cross

580
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 3: over in the top forty. Had they been successful in

581
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: doing that, it would have been even a bigger smash

582
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: than it was. But it still was a massive number

583
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 3: one hit for us. The record the second album did

584
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: better than the first album. Those between the first two

585
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: records that built us the foundation of the fans that

586
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: have now carried us going on three decades. But we

587
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: did the twenty fifth anniversary Trouble Is record to number

588
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: one acknowledged twenty five years of this script music number two.

589
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: We did a very very close recreation of the album,

590
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: same guitar and everything, and we had all.

591
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: The same guys with the exception of one player, So

592
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: same crew, everything right twenty five years later.

593
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 4: And it was cool because it was like, hey man,

594
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: I was what.

595
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: Was I eighteen or nineteen when I did that, and

596
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: we were all twenty five years younger. But it was

597
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: cool to show everybody we can rock just as hard

598
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 3: today twenty five years later as we did back then.

599
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: And then also there's a business case for it because

600
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: we own this version of it, you know, because ownership.

601
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: It was Kenny's version.

602
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And you know, we actually started recording that

603
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: album and re recording two of my We were doing

604
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: the Ledbetter Heights album as well. Wow, that's going to

605
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: come out next year for the thirtieth anniversary that but

606
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: we had started recording those before Taylor did her whole

607
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: Taylor's Version thing.

608
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: But there's a real business case for that.

609
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's kind of like unbelievable that in

610
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: the music industry that you and ago people go to

611
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: a record company, especially back then, because you don't have money.

612
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: You don't have the money to make the record, you

613
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: don't have the connections to market it, you don't have

614
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: the connections to get it on radio.

615
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: A lot of that stuff isn't as relevant now as

616
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: it was then.

617
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: But you went to them because they had all these

618
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: resources you didn't have. But at the same time, they're

619
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: giving you this money, they're loaning you the money, right

620
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: because you have to pay it all back, right, And

621
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: they get like ninety, you know, seven cents out of

622
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: every dollar made on a record, and you're paying it

623
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: back like three cents at the time, you know what

624
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: I mean. And they charge you back for every single

625
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: thing that they do, every dollar they spend. Sometimes they

626
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: charge you for stuff that they didn't do, or overcharge

627
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: you for it.

628
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: You have to audit them. But you pay it all

629
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: back over.

630
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Time, right, And only then after they've gotten all their

631
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: money back, then you start to make a little bit

632
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: of money, but at the end of the day, they.

633
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: Still own the record.

634
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: You're not even a half owner, and without the music,

635
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: they don't have anything, right, so you go.

636
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: All they did was bank So.

637
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: It's like you go to the bank and you get

638
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: a loan for a house, and then you pay the

639
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 3: loan back, but the bank still owns your house.

640
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: Like it's unbelievable.

641
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: Like you write a show, I have a theater, and

642
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: I now own the show because you performed at my.

643
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: Theme exactly crazy.

644
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: So the least they could do, and like, this is

645
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: monumental change that needs to take place. But the least

646
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: they could have done is say we're partners in this, right,

647
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: you know. And so after after you've paid it back,

648
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: then you then we're fifty to fifty you know what

649
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: I mean or something at some point, but we get

650
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: all of our money back and we still own everything,

651
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: and for perpetuity, you're going to make three cents on

652
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: every dollar, you know or whatever.

653
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: It's well, this is why.

654
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Look, you you hit before there was the social media

655
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: possibilities and then direct distribution. All of that was unheard

656
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: of when you started. We're in a different era now, yeah,

657
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: but it's harder for artists to break up, don't you

658
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: feel that.

659
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: Well, there's so many different things, Like I'm very grateful

660
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: that I got in when I did because I got

661
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: to experience what I believe, I mean, call me a dinosaur,

662
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: call me old or whatever, what I got in on

663
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: the very end of what I think was the golden

664
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: age of like the radio industry, the recording industry, Like

665
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: things were so different back then than they are now now,

666
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: some of it has changed for the better. They put

667
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: some power technologies, put some power in the hands of

668
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: the artists, Like you don't need it necessarily a record company.

669
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: To market yourself.

670
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: If you're savvy with social media, you can break you

671
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: can go viral on YouTube, you know, Instagram, Facebook, all

672
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: those things, and you can attract an audience of millions

673
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: of people.

674
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: And the challenge that you then face is a challenge.

675
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: That every artist faces, is how do you retain that audience,

676
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: because that's where the talent factor comes in.

677
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: But you can get your name out there. You can

678
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: grow a following.

679
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: Without having to even now they all want a lot

680
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: of money now, Like social media is kind of a

681
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: huge bait and switch thing to me, Like, I don't

682
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: really like it very much because then the getting they're like,

683
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: come to our platform and accumulate a following, and so

684
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: you you spend this time cultivating this following, and then

685
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: I get it. They're in business to make money. But

686
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: now it's like, all of a sudden, it's like, we

687
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: have two million people almost following us on Facebook. I'll

688
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: post something and you can see that it reaches eight thousand,

689
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: five twenty five hundred out of those two million people.

690
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: And if you want to reach any more of those people,

691
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: they want you to pay for them. And so in

692
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: that regard, in the early days of social media, it

693
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: was a great tool and they didn't choke you down

694
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: trying to get a bunch of money out of you,

695
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: so you could really grow your fan base. Now it's

696
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: all about the almighty dollars. So if you don't have

697
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: a bunch of money to invest in boosting your posts

698
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: and advertising with them, then you can't really reach a

699
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: lot of people.

700
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's an interesting thing.

701
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: There's these tools, the ability to record on a computer

702
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: and a laptop. I mean Billie Eilish or whatever, her

703
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: first album they just record on a laptop in an apartment,

704
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: and she's one of the biggest artists in recent time. Right,

705
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: So you couldn't go You had to rent a studio. Before,

706
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 3: you had to have the money to run a studio

707
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: to make a record. Now you can do it at home.

708
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: It's all open.

709
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a lot more options available.

710
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: There's something I need to talk to you about. Early

711
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: on in your career.

712
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: You open for the Stones, Bob Dylan van Halen. What

713
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: did you pick up from them? I mean, these are

714
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: the people, some of whom you listened to as a child,

715
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: and here you are opening with them, touring with them.

716
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: What was that like?

717
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: Well, it's incredible.

718
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: I mean part of I think the thing that worked

719
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: in my advantage of being so young was maybe I

720
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: was a little bit naive or maybe it just didn't

721
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: fully register.

722
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: You know.

723
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of reflection in my life now,

724
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: especially doing these anniversary albums and anniversary tours, and you go, wow, man,

725
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: look at all this stuff that happened, and like the

726
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: reality kind of hindsight, you can look back and you

727
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: really put it in perspective and the moment like you're

728
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: walking out on Wimbley, the old Wimbley Stadium in front

729
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: of eighty thousand people opening up for the Eagles when

730
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: they first got back together on the Hell Freezes Over tour.

731
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: And you're like, wow, this is cool.

732
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: But you're like this is you know, I'm just gonna

733
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: go play my guitar and hide behind my.

734
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 4: Hair, you know what I mean.

735
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: But you look back you're like, oh my gosh, Like

736
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: how incredible. And so, you know, I learned a lot

737
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: about entertaining people. I learned how to play in these

738
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: massive venues, and I learned how to play. I mean,

739
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: I went from playing like, you know, hundred and fifty

740
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: two hundred people in clubs, you know, doing three one

741
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: hour sets with fifteen minute breaks in between, for like

742
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty bucks, to opening up for the

743
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: Eagles eighty thousand people a night in freaking soccer stadiums in.

744
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: Europe, all over Europe and everything in between.

745
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: So it's the best practice any artist could ever get,

746
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: is just actually doing it on stage in front of people.

747
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: Would tell me, what did you have any interaction with them?

748
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: With Dylan with all home, so like incredible interactions like

749
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: for example, my one of my favorite stories, Joe Walsh

750
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: and I met and became friends on that tour and

751
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: the first thing he said to me.

752
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 4: I'm standing at the side of the stage.

753
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: We're in Wimbley Stadium and I'm over there tuning my

754
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: guitar and Joe walks up to me and he goes, Hey,

755
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: what are you doing And I was like, oh, I'm

756
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: tune to my guitar. He goes, I haven't tuned a

757
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: guitar and over twenty years.

758
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 4: And he just walked away.

759
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: And it was like, you just got to know him

760
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: to know how funny that is, right, And he and

761
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: I became friends, and we've been friends for decades now.

762
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: And so I met, you know, everybody except for Glenn

763
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: Frye on that tour. Everyone came and said hello to

764
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: me and sat, you know, had a meal with me

765
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: or whatever. Never met Glenn Frye. Really, yeah, I don't

766
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: know why, but that's what happened. So like interesting experiences

767
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: like on Van Halen. We did Van Halen, we did

768
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: the Van Halen three tour in the nineties and then

769
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: we did the very last.

770
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: Van held both.

771
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, yeah, and Ed and I became

772
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: friends on the first tour.

773
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: Our.

774
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: Connection goes back even further than that because my dad

775
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: was responsible for.

776
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: Valerie Burtnelli meeting Eddie van Halen.

777
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: You at a concert in Yeah, and so he brought

778
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: her to the show at the request of her father,

779
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: because my dad was the radio guy and he would

780
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: always get passes and tickets, and so he took Valerie

781
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: to see Van Halen for the first time at Shreveport, Louisiana.

782
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: Took her backstage and introduced her to Eddie van Halen

783
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: and so.

784
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: Wow, you know the rest of his history.

785
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he and then he and I became friends.

786
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: And Bob Dylan like people.

787
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: Bob he's very reclusive.

788
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: So every okay, I'll give you that.

789
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: But for me, what I've learned one of the biggest

790
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: lessons I've learned in life, and not just in music

791
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: but in life in general, is that I don't I

792
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 3: refuse to take on other people's issues and other people's

793
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: resentments or other people's problems with people like I'll take

794
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: in the information. But I've learned so many times that

795
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: just because somebody says that this person is this way,

796
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that's going to be my experience.

797
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 4: And so before I met Bob Dylan, you hear all

798
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: these things.

799
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, don't look at them, don't try

800
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: and shake his hand, like you know you hear about them,

801
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: like climbing into trees and all this stuff.

802
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: I mean, just all these weird.

803
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: Things, right, and everything that everybody ever told me about

804
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: him was not my experience every single day. And I'm

805
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: like seventeen. I did two tours with him, seventeen or

806
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, and every day he would show up

807
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: early and watch me soundcheck every single day, and then

808
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: we'd finished sound checking and he'd come up on the

809
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: stage and we come straight up to me and he

810
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: would shake my hand and he would stand there and

811
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: talk to me for like twenty minutes. And one night

812
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: he came up. He was knocking on the door of

813
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: the tour bus. I'm in the back lounge. My bus

814
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: driver comes back and knocks on my door and I'm

815
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: like yeah, and he goes, hey, Bob's outside. He wants

816
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: to know if he can come up on the bus.

817
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: I was like, Bob, who, And he goes Dylan, and

818
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm like you're making him wait, like get him up.

819
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: And he came up on the bus.

820
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: He had a big, old Great Dane dog with him

821
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: and he sat on the bus for like an hour

822
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: and a half just hanging out. And at the end

823
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: of the tour he said, Hey, I don't care if

824
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: you have a new record out or if you're just

825
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: working up new material.

826
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: You can come out on the road with me anytime

827
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: you want.

828
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: And that was like contrary to every crazy story that

829
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: I had ever heard about him. Now I'm not saying

830
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: those people didn't have those experiences, but that was not

831
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: my experience.

832
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: To me pick up anything artistically for him, well, I

833
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: got to play.

834
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: I got sitting with them every night. I got to

835
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: play all along the Watchtower withh them. So I was

836
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: doing all the Jimmy Hinrick sla version stuff with him

837
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: singing it in his way of doing it.

838
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: That was cool.

839
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: I mean, Bob's an inspiration. I mean a lyrical genius,

840
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: absolute powerhouse. I mean, you can't listen to his music

841
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: and not pick something up from that.

842
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: I love that you love the tradition that you stand

843
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: upon and the foundation of all of that. One of

844
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: my favorite projects that you ever did was ten Days

845
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Out Blues from the back Roads, and it was you

846
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: and two thousand and seven, and you went with a

847
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: film crew and a recording kit and you went to

848
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: these great blues masters in their home spaces and you

849
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: interview them and you're recorded with them. Tell me why

850
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: did you? First of all, why did you do that?

851
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: And looking back on that, I see you sitting on

852
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: the couch with Bbking. I watched it last week. You

853
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: can see you're just in all of this. Oh yeah,

854
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible. It's like sitting with Royalty exactly.

855
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: Exactly.

856
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

857
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Well, for me, it was it was about my love

858
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: and appreciation for the genre and for these artists. And

859
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: also I had kind of noticed that I've been given

860
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: a lot of opportunities and blues music has kind of

861
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: been my platform that I've built my music off of.

862
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: It's the foundation of everything. And I've i mean, in

863
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 3: every every genre. I mean, Nashville is a perfect example.

864
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: You can walk up and down Broadway here and you

865
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: can see incredibly talented musicians playing every single night of

866
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: the week, all day and you know, and they got

867
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: a lot of talent. They sound really good, but they

868
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: may not ever be known to the rest of the world,

869
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

870
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 4: And it's not their fault, it doesn't have it.

871
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like, I don't know who gets

872
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: to decide how it all works out, but it doesn't

873
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: work out the same for everybody, and so I'm aware

874
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: of that. And there's these really talented blues musicians that

875
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: I've admired, and I'm like, more people need to know

876
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: about these people. And it's kind of the Bobby Rush

877
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: thing too. I'm like, I want to turn my fans

878
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: onto people like Bobby Rush so that they can enjoy

879
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: the music that they might not be aware of.

880
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: That's how pop music is predicated on it. Yeah, I mean,

881
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: R and B rap, country, it all finds it's real root.

882
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

883
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: If you do your homework and you go backwards from

884
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: whatever's happening right now, and you connect the dots, you

885
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: go whoever it is, you go who inspired them, who

886
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 3: inspired them, who inspired them, who inspired them?

887
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 4: You're going to find your way back to blues music

888
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: at some point. You know, blues and country for sure,

889
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: which you're kind of like.

890
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: They were born around the same time. Yeah, yeah, really

891
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: it's the same. It's the same region.

892
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Blues, country and jazz is like the trifecta and

893
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: everything comes from that, you know, and that's all that's

894
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: American music, you know.

895
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: Do you feel an obligation to carry that tradition forward.

896
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: Well, what I feel like is my responsibility, and not

897
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: everybody feels this way, but it's the example I was given,

898
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: is that I have to give. I feel obligated to

899
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: give credit where credit is due.

900
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 4: So I didn't invent this. None of us have invented

901
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: any of this.

902
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: Right.

903
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: Everybody's music that they are inspired to create has been

904
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: inspired by something someone else did before them. And my obligation,

905
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: I believe, is not to sit here and pretend like

906
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: I invented something, but instead to the people who look

907
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: to me and appreciate what I do, to say, hey,

908
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: but did you hear about this guy?

909
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 4: Have you heard this woman's music? Have you heard this artist?

910
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: This band?

911
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: Because this got me fired up, and that's what inspired

912
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: me to do this, So turn them onto that. And

913
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: people like Stevie Rayvaughn and Jimmy Hendricks and all those

914
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: guys they did that as well, you know, and then

915
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: that helped me go back and research and discover so

916
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: many more artists because it opened my eyes to this

917
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 3: entire new world of artists.

918
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: What do you say to young artists who say, I

919
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: don't want all that old stuff?

920
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: I got my own I got to express myself for today.

921
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: I've got songs for today, not that old stuff.

922
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: You would say, what, well, but I would say that, like, well,

923
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: first of all, you don't have anything that you're doing

924
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: without the old stuff. That's how you got to the point,

925
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: to this point, so that you could make that music.

926
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: But it's just like anything, it's like knowing your history,

927
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: it's like knowing where all of this comes from then

928
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: makes you a much more well rounded artist, and it

929
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: will actually give you the ability to have more depth

930
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: to what you're doing. If you're trying to start right here,

931
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: moving forward like you, there's no depth behind it, there's

932
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: no substance behind it.

933
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me when you know where you

934
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: came from, when you know the foundations of this, first

935
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: of all, you know what's already been done, so you

936
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: don't have to reinvent the wheel.

937
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: You can help build upon that.

938
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean Edison, he didn't create the light bulb. He

939
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: figured out the right fiber and he built on all

940
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: the failures of the past. He was smart enough to

941
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: recognize the failures and what worked and then build upon that.

942
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: For some reason, in the arts today and immediate we

943
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: just discard all of it. And I love that you've

944
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: taken the time in your career while writing new material

945
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: that infuses rock and country into all of your work.

946
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: You stop on going home, which was you in Shreveport

947
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: doing traditional blues music. Is that in any way tiede

948
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to get personal. Is that in any way

949
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: tied to your faith, to that idea of we stand

950
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: on this tradition?

951
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think so. I mean, I think everything that

952
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: I do, everything that I.

953
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: Do in my life, the way I choose to live

954
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: my life is to try and stand firmly within my

955
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: faith and my values that I learned from my faith. Right,

956
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: and we can get off into a whole other conversation

957
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: that's not even musically.

958
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 4: Related, but about religion and things like that.

959
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: But to me, it's principles I learned in another program,

960
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: principles before personalities. What are the principles that were being taught?

961
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: And are they good? And are they well intentioned? And

962
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: do they actually in fact make us better people if

963
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: we followed them? And so I try to implement that

964
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: to the best of my abilities, knowing that I'm not perfect,

965
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: I'm not a saint, I'm flawed I'm gonna fall short,

966
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: but to the best of my abilities at any given time. Right,

967
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: And so with my music, Yes, I mean, the foundations

968
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: of my faith are in everything that I do. It's

969
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: my approach to my career, it's my approach to my family,

970
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: it's my approach to my personal life, my friend life.

971
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: My interactions with the everyday guy.

972
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: Like today, you know, I had people coming over helping

973
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: me out with stuff in.

974
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: My lawn, and you know this is I'm in my home.

975
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: And I demanded you come over here, and I'm sorry.

976
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 4: I should have worn the whole the whole musician net

977
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 4: up time.

978
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to get you on the road because I

979
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: want the hat, the big orange pad. I've seen you

980
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: a hundred times with the hat and the co the

981
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: whole routine.

982
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: I like this, Kenny, though, this is nice.

983
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: Well, but this is and I think that people at

984
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: the end of the day. Man, it's like treating do

985
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: unto others, you know. But yes, absolutely, I mean I

986
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: feel like I don't let my ego get the best

987
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: of me. I don't let my pride overwhelm my decision

988
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: making process is like stay humbled, you know, appreciate what

989
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: you've been given, not what you have. I didn't manifest this.

990
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: I didn't create all of this. I put in the work,

991
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 3: but I didn't do it all myself. And so yes,

992
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like creating music. My intention every

993
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: single night that I walk out on stage and every

994
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: time I go into the studio is my prayer is

995
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: that I bring light into people's lives through the gift

996
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: of music that has been that I've been blessed with,

997
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: and that I'm a conduit for God to show people

998
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: through me what his power and his love and all

999
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: of that stuff. And so and when people message me

1000
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: and they say I saw your show and they're like,

1001
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: God truly has blessed you, you know that, I'm like, oh,

1002
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: they that happened that exchange.

1003
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: I was able to do that.

1004
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: And I'm not out there like I'm not trying to

1005
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: I've learned to be uh it's another phrase from another program,

1006
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: but it's like attraction, not promotion.

1007
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: So I'm not I'm not the kind of guy that's going.

1008
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: Around trying to beat everybody over the head with my

1009
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: belief system or my trying to convert them to think

1010
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: the way I think. I feel like I just need

1011
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: to live my life in a manner in which you know,

1012
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: hopefully people might notice something positive that they're curious about,

1013
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: and that opens up a line of communication and we

1014
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: can have a conversation.

1015
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: You're the father of six children, Yeah, a convert to Catholicism.

1016
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: Did that change and deepen your working anyway?

1017
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: Well? It changed for those things?

1018
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: Well yeah, Well having a family and six children, well

1019
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: it provides an entirely new sense of motivation and inspiration

1020
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: because I want to make my kids proud. I want

1021
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: to You know, when you're in a position like this,

1022
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: you can leave behind a lot. You can leave behind

1023
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: a lot of wreckage, or you can leave behind a legacy,

1024
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: or you can leave a little bit of both. But

1025
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: my intention is to leave at least just the impression that,

1026
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: through my music that people felt something and I had

1027
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 3: a positive impact on their lives. And therefore my kids

1028
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: can be proud of that. And I can show my

1029
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: kids what hard work and dedication looks like and what

1030
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: the payoff for that is. And still, even thirty years

1031
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 3: into my career, I set goals and I tell.

1032
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 4: Them this is what I want to accomplish.

1033
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: This year, and then hopefully they can see me work

1034
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: hard and see that come to pass and then inspire

1035
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: them in those ways. Right, So that's a new and

1036
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: then you know my Catholic faith. It was just I mean,

1037
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: that was just an interesting experience because I grew up

1038
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 3: Methodist and you know, I just remember being a little

1039
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: kid and like seeing people do the Sign of the Cross,

1040
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, I was talking to my.

1041
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 4: Ground, like how come we don't do why can't we

1042
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 4: do that? And you know, I just.

1043
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: Hanging around New Orleans, you saw a lot of Yeah.

1044
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: And everybody has their own kind of way.

1045
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: Like I'm just the guy that like I like to,

1046
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Like I said, I just try to be as good

1047
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: of a person as I can be. I try and

1048
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: just live my life hopefully in some way that that

1049
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: if somebody feels compelled, they go, hey, you know what's

1050
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: going on? Like how are you doing this? You know,

1051
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: how are you managing this? Like if they can see

1052
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: me operate in turmoil or whatever, like in a flurry

1053
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: of activity and be focused and centered and still coming

1054
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: from the right place and not get.

1055
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: Frazzled by everything, and it's like, wow, how did you

1056
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: do that?

1057
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: Well? Because I seek a contact with the power greater

1058
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: there myself and I seek guidance from that, and I

1059
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: try and channel that and know that, like, I'm not

1060
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: responsible for everything right, and that's actually like to be

1061
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: powerless and to let go and to realize that I'm

1062
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: not responsible for making everything happen is a huge relief.

1063
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: But I am responsible for doing what I'm capable of doing,

1064
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: and seeking that guy and then trying to implement that

1065
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: so that then the end result can be accomplished.

1066
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. It's another just being the

1067
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: condu I.

1068
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: Always say, can all the mistakes of mine?

1069
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: Right? Well? The rest belongs to God somebody else.

1070
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: In fact, I love the two albums you did Dirt

1071
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: in my Diamonds. I always thought that's my soul dirt,

1072
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: that's the perfect I love those two albums, by the way,

1073
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: Before I let you go and move on to my

1074
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: royal Grande questionnaire, which I ask everybody. I love the

1075
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: fact that you record live in studio. You like to

1076
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: be in studio with everybody absolutely.

1077
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: Why do you do that?

1078
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: Why is that important as opposed to getting it just

1079
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: perfect this section and then recording to a track.

1080
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: Because I believe that there is a tangible difference that

1081
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: can be heard and can also be felt when you

1082
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: have a band playing together versus people emailing files back

1083
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: and forth to each other across the country that never

1084
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: sit down in the room together. And the other thing

1085
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: about that is is you eliminate. When you do it

1086
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: like that, you have now eliminated all possibility for anything

1087
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: spontaneous to happen. Right, So, whoever the first guy is

1088
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: that sits down in front of the computer and puts

1089
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: the click track down and plays the first guitar, keys,

1090
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: whatever the first instrument is, this is the arrangement. This

1091
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: is how the song's going to go from start to finish.

1092
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: When you're in this and everybody has to follow that.

1093
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: When you're in the studio, people like what about this

1094
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: and what about this part?

1095
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: And what if you play it like this? Or like,

1096
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: how about a different ending?

1097
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: And it's like and then it's a it's a group effort,

1098
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: and it's a team. It's a team sport. Playing music

1099
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 3: is a team soul.

1100
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: It's souls and hearts and these people communicating. I mean,

1101
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: the thing I've always loved about the Blues and your

1102
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: particular take on it, you can hear the communication. You

1103
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: can hear that, particularly when you're.

1104
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: Vibing with somebody.

1105
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: It's like they're talking back and forth to each other,

1106
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: which what great music. And there's something about the blues

1107
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: and jazz that facilitates that in a way that other

1108
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: genres don't, right, And I love that you've preserved that

1109
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: and tipped your hat to the past, venerated it, carried

1110
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: it forward, and you're doing your own exploration with it,

1111
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: which is incredible. Okay the Royal Grandee questionnaire. I asked us,

1112
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: if everybody these are quick answers, then I'll get you

1113
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: back to the gardening. Okay, okay, who is the person

1114
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: you most admire?

1115
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you say quick answers. I don't know, man,

1116
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: there's so many.

1117
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of great people in my life,

1118
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: and I admire them in many different ways.

1119
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: I want to say this. It might come across as cheesy.

1120
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: But I admire I admire my wife like I really

1121
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: admire her well, because she's a fascinating individual. She's so multifaceted,

1122
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: but she's just you know, what's amazing about relationships is

1123
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: that in a good, healthy, I believe relationship, she excels

1124
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: where I fall short, and I excel where she falls short.

1125
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: And so it.

1126
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: Creates this balance. But in the areas that she excels

1127
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: in that I don't. I'm just totally fascinated by her.

1128
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: But she's an incredible mother, she's an incredible individual. She's

1129
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: a I've never seen a more good natured person, you know,

1130
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: and it speaks to her upbringing and her family and

1131
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: you know as to who she is that that all

1132
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: had an influence. And then it's also now your family

1133
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: can give you what they can give you, but it's

1134
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: up to you what you do with it. Yeah, she's

1135
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 3: I mean, she's an incredible person's a great lady.

1136
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: I've known.

1137
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I knew her just before you were married. I met

1138
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: her a long time ago. Who do you despise?

1139
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 4: I don't despise anybody. I really don't like what.

1140
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: Ever, since I was a kid, the word hate, and

1141
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: I feel like that's pretty similar or territory. It just

1142
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: never resonated with me. It always felt offensive to me.

1143
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: So the only thing I would say that I really

1144
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: don't like is I don't like it. I don't like

1145
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: people that aren't independent thinkers. They can't I think. You know,

1146
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: in the world we live in today that is incredibly

1147
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: controversial and divided, and all that stuff, and it's like

1148
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 3: everybody's forcing you to be on one side or the other.

1149
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: I think everyone's doing themselves a disservice by not actually

1150
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: taking in all the information, by just taking in one

1151
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: source or you know, one point of view and neglecting

1152
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 3: the other. You know, it's like, take it all in,

1153
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 3: understand that there's there are there subjectives, Like people are

1154
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: trying to make you think things right. By the way

1155
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: they're delivering that to you is they want to persuade

1156
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: you know that, listen to this, put it all together,

1157
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: and to find the truth in the middle, and then

1158
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: make a decision based on that this. You know, it's

1159
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: like I want people to use their brains. And I'm

1160
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: not saying you know, that might sound offensive. Some people

1161
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: might say, well, of course I use my brain, But

1162
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: I don't think everybody takes in all the information without

1163
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: the buy and tries to put the bias aside.

1164
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: Well, critical, critical thinking and reason has become they become

1165
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: sinful and they're not Yeah, we're built this way we're

1166
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: supposed to.

1167
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: The thing is like, how how can the more If

1168
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 3: everybody's on the same page all the time, then where

1169
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: where's the innovation? Where's the creativity, where's the individuality? Those

1170
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: are all the You've eliminated that. If everybody is just

1171
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: in lockstep with one.

1172
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: Of the same mindset, there is no progress.

1173
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: It's the click track of life, no room for improvisation.

1174
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: It's really what you were talking.

1175
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 3: And that's convenient for some people who want everybody to

1176
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: be that way.

1177
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, we're individuals. Let's act like individuals.

1178
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: A really boring way to live. Let's be honest.

1179
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: And so and and just stop with all the hate,

1180
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 3: Like it's just horrific.

1181
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: What's your best feature?

1182
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: My best I don't know. Is it my cham.

1183
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: What it used to be When I was a kid,

1184
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: it was like everybody loved my long locks. You know,

1185
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 3: I'm well into middle age now, so that's not what

1186
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: it wants.

1187
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 4: Was I don't know. I don't really know. Probably just

1188
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 4: my ability to play guitar. That's what I'm mostly known for.

1189
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: What do you know, Kenny that others don't know?

1190
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: I think I have some insights because of my life

1191
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: that maybe most people don't have, Like what is it

1192
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: like to be a child prodigy? What is it like

1193
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: to be a child star that experience and what everything

1194
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: that comes along with that. You know, I think I

1195
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: probably have some insight on that kind of stuff and

1196
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: the challenges and the struggles that come with.

1197
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: Would you would you would you advance or want your

1198
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: own child to be a child star?

1199
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 4: I would.

1200
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: So let's put it this way. All of my kids

1201
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: are musical. They're all incredibly intelligent. They're all very talented people.

1202
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to try and persuade any of them.

1203
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 3: I just want them to be their own people. I

1204
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: also do think there's this thing where it's like when

1205
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: you have a.

1206
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: A famous father or something.

1207
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: You know, the the inkling nation is to not go

1208
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 3: down that path because you maybe feel like you can't.

1209
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: You're living.

1210
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 4: But I look at my.

1211
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 3: Kids and I'm like, you, guys, it could be better

1212
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: than me, you know what I mean, if you just tried.

1213
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 4: So.

1214
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: I do have several of my kids play guitar, but

1215
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: and one of my daughters like she Actually they're all

1216
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: doing different things. I have daughters playing drums, I have

1217
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: another daughter's doing keyboards.

1218
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 4: I have ones doing keyboards and vocal band.

1219
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: You're building. I know what you're doing. You're building the

1220
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 2: Shepherd Family band.

1221
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: But when I was but when I was a kid.

1222
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: I would come home from school and I would grab

1223
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: my guitar and that's all I would do until I

1224
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: went to bed, and then rent and repeat. So I

1225
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: don't know if they, if any of them, have taken

1226
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: it to it taken it to that point yet. Yeah,

1227
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: but you know, the path is different for everyone and

1228
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 3: you never know what's going to happen. So if they

1229
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: want to make a music and a career in music,

1230
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: I absolutely support that. If they want to do something

1231
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: completely different has nothing to do with music, I support

1232
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: that as well. I just want them to to follow

1233
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: their passion and see if they can to make a

1234
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 3: career doing something that they love.

1235
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: To do who they were meant to be. Yeah, yeah,

1236
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: and realize their potential. What do you fear?

1237
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 4: Uh?

1238
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: I pray if death is still something I'm trying to

1239
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: come to turn if I think, if most of us

1240
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: are being honest, we still grapple with that concept.

1241
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 4: And a lot of people say, I don't not worried,

1242
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 4: but but I like it.

1243
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, you know, you might just be

1244
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, And it's like, even with my faith, like,

1245
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, I believe I had a moment in my life,

1246
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: and I really didn't intend to get off in spiritual things,

1247
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: but you know, I've been taught through my faith, even

1248
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: growing up Methodists or whatever, that you know, the spirit

1249
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: is eternal, the life everlasting, right, and you believe it,

1250
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: but you have to like really believe it. Like some

1251
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: of it's well that's faith, and faith just means you

1252
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: have to believe. But like, there was a moment where

1253
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: I started feeling my age, you know, and it was

1254
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 3: real for But this was a real moment of clarity

1255
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: for me because.

1256
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: I will go up one day I remember what I

1257
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 4: was doing.

1258
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: I just had Yeah, well I just literally yesterday had

1259
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 3: a cortisome shot in my back.

1260
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 4: Like that's getting old.

1261
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna be give me the doctor's name because guess what,

1262
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I went to brush my teeth this morning.

1263
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So I don't remember what it was I

1264
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: was doing, but I was trying to do something physically

1265
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: that just should come naturally, and it was a struggler.

1266
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it or I hurt myself doing it,

1267
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, in that moment, I felt

1268
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: the disconnection between who I am inside. Most people say

1269
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 3: up here, but I believe it's all connected. But they

1270
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: would say, well, I feel like everybody says, I feel

1271
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: like I'm seventeen.

1272
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm twenty five years old. But you

1273
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: but your body's not right.

1274
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: And I felt in real time the disconnect between my

1275
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: body and my spirit, and I thought, this thing is

1276
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: not twenty five or eighteen or whatever, but I feel

1277
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: that I should be able to do those things. So

1278
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: these things are developing at different rates, right, and so

1279
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: that's the real Like I was like, oh, this is

1280
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: my spirit is not aging. What it is is I'm

1281
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: advancing through wisdom, through acquired experience and knowledge, right, which

1282
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: I think is kind of the big point here.

1283
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: There are expirit well, you know, as the experience of

1284
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: wisdom grows, the body doesn't.

1285
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah the case, and so the body's going one way,

1286
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: the spirit's going another way, and there's that detachment that

1287
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: it inevitably ends up happening when you die. But that

1288
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: was the moment that I felt sometimes need tangible things

1289
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: that I can touch and feel, you know, to believe it.

1290
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: And that was that was real And I was like, oh,

1291
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: inside I feel like this, but outside I feel like this,

1292
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: and you still fear death well, yes, because the experience

1293
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: maybe not even like the pain of it. It's like

1294
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: a lot of people are like, oh, I'd love to

1295
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: die in my sleep. It's like, yeah, that's great because

1296
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: it's comfortable. But like, but if you had no fair warning,

1297
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: if you didn't like sometimes, I mean, there's a lot

1298
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: of suffering that happens, Like people get sick and they know, oh,

1299
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: you have a certain amount of time, and that's sad

1300
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: and takes a whole nother toll. But maybe it's a

1301
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: blessing in the sense that you get an opportunity to

1302
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: prepare for it, you know.

1303
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: So I don't know. The whole thing is so complicated.

1304
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: The idea when I was a kid that were born

1305
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: so we can die was just felt like so big

1306
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: of a concept to like wrap my mind around. So

1307
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Speaker 3: it's still something that it's like it feels overwhelming. But

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Speaker 3: my prayer is that I live long enough. I remember

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Speaker 3: my grandmother was she was ready to die, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so happens a lot with older people.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so I don't know if you know, whatever

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Speaker 3: it is, maybe it's an age thing. Maybe it's the

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Speaker 3: cards you're dealt. Maybe you're not seventy or eighty or

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Speaker 3: ninety years old. I mean, because Bobby Rush is still

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Speaker 3: hitting on all cylinders.

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Speaker 2: He's years old, he's playing with it.

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Speaker 4: He's unbelievable, right, So maybe it's not an age thing.

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Speaker 3: But whatever life cards I'm dealt is that when when

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Speaker 3: my time comes, that I that I'm able to live

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Speaker 3: long enough to get to the point to be ready

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 4: And accepting of it, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I know I'm not at that point yet, so

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Speaker 3: I know my time's not getting there.

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Speaker 2: You know, what's your greatest virtue?

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Speaker 3: I just I think my nature, just the nature that

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Speaker 3: I've kind of I've been raised a certain way, you know,

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Speaker 3: as salt of the earth people. We didn't have money

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Speaker 3: growing up, like no money, and so there was not

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Speaker 3: money in my family until I signed my record deal.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, just like to know that, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not any different. I don't treat people any different,

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Speaker 3: do onto others? Just follow the you know, the rules

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Speaker 3: as much as I can, which I think, you know

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Speaker 3: makes you a good natured person.

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Speaker 4: I've tried to implement that.

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Speaker 2: You feel that in your work too. What's your biggest regret?

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Speaker 3: Why don't honestly don't have regrets because I do believe

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Speaker 3: that every every decision, mistake or not is what develops

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Speaker 3: you into who you are today. Now, we can meet

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Speaker 3: again in about twenty years or something, or you know,

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Speaker 3: thirty years, and you can ask me that question again,

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Speaker 3: and maybe maybe there might be a few. But at

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Speaker 3: this point, I mean, there's things that maybe I would

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Speaker 3: have done differently. But why would I do them differently?

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Speaker 3: Is it because I want to control the outcome, because

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Speaker 3: I want to change it and make it the way

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Speaker 3: I think it should be.

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Speaker 4: Because I've learned in my relationship with God?

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Speaker 3: Is that a lot of times God's answer to my

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Speaker 3: prayers and my questions and the things that I want

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Speaker 3: isn't always necessarily No, it's either not right now, or

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Speaker 3: I have something better or different which ends up being better.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And so it's like, do I want to go change

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Speaker 3: those decisions because I want a different outcome? Because then

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Speaker 3: that doesn't net me the life that I have, that

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Speaker 3: doesn't give me my wife and my beautiful six kids

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Speaker 3: in the career in the way that it is today

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Speaker 3: and the happiness that I do experience.

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Speaker 1: No, that's that's a wise way of looking at it.

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Speaker 1: What's the best piece of advice you've ever gotten.

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Speaker 3: Well to me, it was Stevie Rayvaughd when he signed

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Speaker 3: my first stratacaster, the last time I saw him before

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Speaker 3: he passed away. He signed my very first strat for

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Speaker 3: me and he said, Kenny, just play it with all

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Speaker 3: your heart.

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Speaker 4: And that's been everything from that day forward.

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Speaker 3: When every time I pick up my instrument, I try

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Speaker 3: and play it with all my heart, and I feel

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Speaker 3: like professionally it's the best advice I got because that's

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Speaker 3: what's gotten me here.

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Speaker 2: What happens when this is over, Kenny, which your decision.

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Speaker 2: I'm letting you interpret it.

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Speaker 1: This interview, this life, well, this week, this year, this

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Speaker 1: is over, Kenny, what happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, when the interview is over, I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 3: home and I'm gonna do a little more yard work.

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Speaker 2: You're raining. I'm looking at the rain. You're missing it.

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Speaker 2: It's raining. You're not doing yard work at all? What else?

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Speaker 4: Change clothes right, and be of service to my family.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: The end of this year, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we'll begin next year, and I

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Speaker 3: will begin in the thirtieth anniversary of my first album.

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Speaker 1: When you're going in a big tour, you'reg in tour?

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Speaker 2: And then where are you going in Europe?

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Speaker 3: So all we're going to like you know, Germany, Switzerland, France, Italy, UK,

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Speaker 3: like you know, all the hot spots. And then September

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Speaker 3: is a thirty year anniversary of Leedbetter Heights, my first album.

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Speaker 3: We re recorded a new version of that record, which

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Speaker 3: is actually less of a recreation, more of a reinterpretation

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Speaker 3: of some of the songs.

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Speaker 4: Huh, And so that anything new there?

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Speaker 2: You had a new Dylan song on.

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Speaker 3: This No, we didn't do any hidden tracks, no, but

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Speaker 3: but we did kind of reimagine a few of the songs.

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Speaker 3: So they sound different. I mean they sound different because

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Speaker 3: I had a different singer on the first album. Noah

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Speaker 3: joined me on the second album and has been with

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Speaker 3: me ever since.

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Speaker 1: And tell light story quickly he he was thrusting. You

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Speaker 1: didn't have any time to prep with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first album, the first guy, Corey Sterling,

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Speaker 3: it just didn't work, you know, and we had to

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Speaker 3: we and it actually didn't end all that great because

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Speaker 3: we were supposed to be flying out. We met at

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Speaker 3: the airport to fly out to start recording the Trouble

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Speaker 3: Is record, and he just never showed up, and you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a whole series of events that led up to that.

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Speaker 3: But so then we're like, Okay, well this doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: We have to make a change.

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Speaker 4: So then we started looking and.

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Speaker 3: With then, I want to say, this is two weeks

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Speaker 3: four the most you know, we had auditioned like twelve

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Speaker 3: to fourteen different people. We found Noah, and we're in

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Speaker 3: the studio making the record. Noah's been with me now,

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Speaker 3: I guess twenty seven, twenty eight years. And then I

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Speaker 3: eventually progressed into going from just kind of singing background

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Speaker 3: vocals to singing lead vocals, and now we both sing

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Speaker 3: lead vocals. We share about fifty to fifty. But it's

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Speaker 3: been an incredible experience doing the Leadbetter Heights thirtieth anniversary album.

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Speaker 3: We never could completely recreate it because the voice you're

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Speaker 3: going to hear on it is not going to be

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Speaker 3: the same. So that immediately gave us this, give me

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Speaker 3: this liberty to kind of like not have to put

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Speaker 3: it under a microscope and try and match it. And

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Speaker 3: so we decided to change like Aberdeen and Riverside and

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Speaker 3: a few of these other songs where we interpreted we

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Speaker 3: played them differently. We added some different instrumentation, like did

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Speaker 3: a different arrangement and made it more interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, Kenny wayn Sheppard. I can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough. This has been a joy. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 1: for the time.

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Speaker 2: We'll do it again.

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Speaker 4: So thanks for having Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the whole Knowing your history is crucial no

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Speaker 1: matter what you do. I think we disregard or ignore

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Speaker 1: the past to our detriment. It's so many facets of

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Speaker 1: life today, the arts manners, basic living look centuries of

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Speaker 1: people preceded us, and their wisdom, often hard earned, is

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Speaker 1: needed and it's very valuable. I love that Kenny Way

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Speaker 1: not only recognizes that, but is preserving it and taking

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Speaker 1: it to a new generation of audiences. And what he

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Speaker 1: told me about the Prairie says before he goes on stage,

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Speaker 1: that's something I think all of us can use no

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Speaker 1: matter what we do. Let me bring light into people's

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Speaker 1: lives through the gift that I have, whether it be

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Speaker 1: teaching or cooking, or building or music, whatever you're calling is.

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Speaker 1: And Kenny Wayne Shephard's Young Fashioned Ways is an incredible

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Speaker 1: blues album.

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Speaker 2: Go pick it up.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back to Royo Grande soon. Why

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Speaker 1: live a dry, constricted life when if you fill it

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Speaker 1: with good things, it can flow into a broad, thriving

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Speaker 1: Arroyo Grande.

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Speaker 2: I'm Raymond Arroyo.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you subscribe like this episode. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: diving in and come back. We've got much more for you.

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