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Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show. Welcome to our Saturday podcast. Whether

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Speaker 1: you're listening on Saturday or whenever it is you're getting

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Speaker 1: around to it, always a pleasure to get to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. This week is a fun one. Years ago,

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Speaker 1: we were doing a story about John McCain's stranglehold on

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Speaker 1: the state House, the state Senate, the governor's mansion, who

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Speaker 1: would get into Congress in this kind of shadowy group

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Speaker 1: that was like the Republican establishment in DC. And I

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Speaker 1: had a listener who we tracked down named Jesse Kelly,

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Speaker 1: and he had run for Congress against Gabby Gifford twice

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Speaker 1: was about how the Republicans there didn't help him and

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Speaker 1: And this happens, right, you've seen this. Look at how

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Speaker 1: many Republicans actually helped Kamala Harris against Donald Trump. You know,

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Speaker 1: the chenese Ken singer. Look at all these folks. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I had Jesse Kelly on the air and it was

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Speaker 1: a wonderful interview and I told him he was very

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Speaker 1: entertaining and very smart. He was selling r vs. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with selling r v's, but this was a

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Speaker 1: guy whose talents were not necessarily selling RV's. His talents

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Speaker 1: were processing and analyzing and commenting on cultural and political commentary.

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Speaker 1: So I began. I called him that night, and we

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Speaker 1: began a friendship, and I began kind of advising him.

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Speaker 1: And I advise a lot of people, and most people, frankly,

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Speaker 1: And the more he listened, the more I wanted to help.

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Speaker 1: And he grew and grew and grew, and I'm so proud.

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Speaker 1: He does a TV show now, he has a nationally

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Speaker 1: And it was the one year anniversary recently of his

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Speaker 1: book coming out, and they were launching the paperback and

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Speaker 1: his producer said, hey, you know, Jesse does interviews all day.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to interview you. I mean, we'd like you

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Speaker 1: to interview him on his show.

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Speaker 2: Glad to do it.

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Speaker 1: So I did, and here is that interview. I'll warn

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Speaker 1: you in advance. My mom passed away a few days

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Speaker 1: kind of going through that on our own.

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Speaker 2: But we're both dudes.

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Speaker 1: Dudes, we don't talk about it, and this was really

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Speaker 1: the first chance that we've had to actually talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So there is a very very rare moment where Jesse

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Speaker 1: is Verklempt in the conversation, and you'll see it. He's

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Speaker 1: a marine, he's not an emotor and you will notice

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Speaker 1: that as it's happening.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully, what you'll.

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Speaker 1: Also hear is two good friends having a good time.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, thanks for sharing our podcast with your friends

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Speaker 1: and family, and in this case, maybe your fellow Marines.

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Speaker 1: Drop Jesse an email on his website and tell him

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Speaker 1: you heard us talking about it, and now you're going

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Speaker 1: to give his show a listen. Although in some places

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Speaker 1: his show and our show airs at the same time,

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Speaker 1: so you can't be listening to him while we're on that.

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Speaker 1: That would not be cool. You know, that's like stealing

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Speaker 1: your best friend's girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: But he is a dear friend, he's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, there's enough to go around.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy.

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Speaker 4: A long time ago, actually about six and a half

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Speaker 4: I was selling RVs. This is back when I had

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Speaker 4: I got to know somebody, big shot, nationally syndicated radio host,

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Speaker 4: one day and says, hey, come on my show.

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Speaker 2: I need to go on the Michael Berry Show. And

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Speaker 2: I'm selling RV's.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the RV dealership and I go again, I'm

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Speaker 4: on Michael Berry Show. It was cool, but it was

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Speaker 4: have such an incredible eye for talent.

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Speaker 3: I do. Yes.

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Speaker 5: I recognized the talent that was Jesse Kelly in our

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Speaker 5: first radio interview, and the rest, as they say.

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Speaker 5: People call me by different names. Had a shirt, I

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Speaker 5: mean I had a cap made about this. Yes, and

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Speaker 5: today is a special day because, as I hope you've

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Speaker 5: told your viewers, this is the day that the Anti

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Speaker 5: Communist Manifesto hits the shelves in paperback form. So the

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Speaker 5: production team and I thought would be a good idea

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Speaker 3: First of all, I write this book.

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Speaker 2: Why what?

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Speaker 3: Why write this book? Well?

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Speaker 4: I don't like to write, you know, I told you

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Speaker 4: I gotta write more, I gotta Why are you not

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Speaker 4: Always on me about that you need to write an

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Speaker 3: And those were good and and so you clearly have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was for the it was for the Federalist

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Speaker 4: Whine to you about it all the time, and you

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Speaker 2: I don't like to write. Ab My wife did the

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Speaker 4: I realize people enjoy the things that I write for

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Speaker 2: But I don't like to write. I hate to write, and.

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Speaker 4: I never wanted to write a book and I don't

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Speaker 4: ever want to write another one. The idea of writing

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Speaker 2: It was It's the only thing that was appealing to me.

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Speaker 4: Because Chris Balf, my good friend, business partner, Chris Balf,

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Speaker 4: begged me forever to write a book too, and I

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Speaker 4: As I told him in the open, Michael, that the

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Speaker 2: It's a very human thing. You know.

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Speaker 4: You don't have that anymore, and I don't have that anymore,

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Speaker 4: but it's a very natural thing. That's what I feel

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Speaker 4: If you if we hung up here and you called

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Speaker 2: That's how much I hate writing.

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Speaker 4: But this book meant the concept of this meant enough

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Speaker 4: And I thought, well, screw it, you might as well

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Speaker 4: famous author, Michael, world famous.

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Speaker 3: Indeed.

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Speaker 5: Question I thought that the reason for the book was

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Speaker 5: as a delivery mechanism for your burger recipe.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was really just a trojan.

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Speaker 5: Horse, get the burger recipe into as many hands as

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Speaker 5: you possibly could. But you know, on that subject, Rush

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Speaker 5: Limbaugh used to say, after he wrote his second book,

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Speaker 3: He would ask for more books, and he said, I

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Speaker 5: And I've always liked that line, because we sit, you know,

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Speaker 3: When we're done with that, we don't want to sit

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Speaker 5: But I think for us we are communicators by voice

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Speaker 3: And not in the written form. So I look, although

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Speaker 4: The damn thing, you know, isn't that Don't you find

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Speaker 2: Or I find it kind of.

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Speaker 4: It's effortless, right. I can't write like that. You know,

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Speaker 4: And people who have that talent, I'm envious of it.

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Speaker 4: yes exactly. I was about to say, it's it's longer lasting.

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Speaker 4: You know, someone's long after I'm dead and gone, someone's

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Speaker 4: gonna pick up the Anti Communist Manifesto.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to download the Jesse Kelly Show podcast.

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Speaker 5: Jil Roar book, and PJ is not around anymore, but

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Speaker 3: It's a difficult it's a difficult thing. Let's talk about that.

441
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 5: So you get the news that your dad passed, We've

442
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 5: had this conversation. You may be harder than you would

443
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 5: have ever imagined. How did that change it? What advice

444
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 5: do you have for people who go through these because

445
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 5: we're guys, we don't grieve easily.

446
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 4: Or well, well, I'll tell you it's a process. It's

447
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 4: a process I'm still going through, so I certainly don't

448
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 4: want to pretend like I'm an expert on it. I

449
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 4: can only tell people what I've gone through. I'll have

450
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 4: For me, it comes in waves, you know, it comes

451
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 4: and it goes. You know, I'll have I'll wake up

452
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 4: one morning it was this morning, and I feel great.

453
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 4: I feel great, you know, still miss him, but feel

454
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 4: great going through the workday, even talking about him right now, fine,

455
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 4: totally fine. So it's not like that fingers it or

456
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: something like that talking you're fine, everything's fine. But it

457
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 4: could be tomorrow morning. I may wake up and I

458
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 4: don't feel like it out of bed, and the grief

459
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: will come and it will go, and it will come

460
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 4: and it will go. But the difference between, you know,

461
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 4: I'm sure this is a big men and women thing,

462
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 4: as you just alluded to, is the.

463
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 2: Talking about it.

464
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 4: I have no problem you know, telling all I'm telling

465
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: my wife when when I'm grieving, but oftentimes I don't

466
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 4: tell her. She could just tell She'll see it right

467
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 4: on my face when I walk home or whatever, or

468
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 4: walk home, when I walk in the door, or when

469
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 4: I wake up in the morning. She can see it

470
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 4: if I'm making breakfast, and then she'll always ask me,

471
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 4: because this is her way, do you want to talk

472
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 4: about it? And occasionally I have one or two, but

473
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 4: for the most part, no, The answer is no. I

474
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about it. And it's not that

475
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 4: I'm trying to bottle everything up. Sometimes men have to

476
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 4: grieve alone. You know, there's nothing I can say. There's

477
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: nothing I can say, There's no way I can convey

478
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking or feeling, and frankly, I don't.

479
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Feel like it.

480
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 4: And the best advice I could give to people if

481
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: they're going through any grief is that's okay. If you

482
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 4: want to talk about it, that's okay. You want to

483
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: guither with friends, that's okay. You want to go be

484
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: in a cabin by yourself in the woods for a

485
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: couple of weeks by your grief, that's okay. Everyone grieves

486
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 4: differently in their own way, and it's totally fine. I

487
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 4: don't pass judgment on how my friends and family are grieving,

488
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: they don't pass it on me. And that's the best

489
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: advice I can give. If I want to be alone,

490
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 4: I'll be alone. If I want to take the day

491
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 4: off of work, I will. If I want to go

492
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: home and have an extra whiskey, I might.

493
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: But grieve in your own way.

494
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 5: So I preach, and I literally preach this almost daily,

495
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 5: that because I have known of people who lose a

496
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: loved one. My brother died three years ago, was fifty

497
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 5: four years old. It was an active duty police officer,

498
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 5: and I get the call and he's passed, and so

499
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 5: we didn't get that last conversation.

500
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: We literally talk.

501
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 5: Every day, and I tell people, you don't know when

502
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: you walk out the door and that door slams behind

503
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 5: you and you you throw that last zinger, hurt them

504
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: as much as you can. That may be the last

505
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 5: thing you ever say to that person. And I've known

506
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 5: people for whom that was the case. And I say,

507
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 5: no matter what happens to my wife and I have

508
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 5: a rule, we do not separate without I love you

509
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 5: in a meaningful way. Because if that's the last thing

510
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 5: I ever say to her, I don't want there to

511
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 5: be any doubt that. I worry that she doubted you

512
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 5: and your dad had a special moment there the last

513
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 5: time you talked, which is almost I mean you talk

514
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 5: about God's God's hand on us.

515
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: That was sort of a very unique moment.

516
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 5: See if you're if you're good with it, I think

517
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: people should hear that story.

518
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 3: I think they should see that side of you.

519
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: All right, let's see if I can get through this.

520
00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: So my dad, uh, it's it's just a Kelly's thing.

521
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm the exact same way.

522
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: My dad did not stay in other people's homes when

523
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 4: he would visit out of town. The Kellys don't do that.

524
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: You don't stay in other people's homes. Look, I'm not

525
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: defending it. It was just our way. You don't stay

526
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: in other people's homes. You go visit, you have your dinner,

527
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 4: you go then if you're out of town, you go

528
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: to a hotel or you go back home. You don't

529
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: stay with other people. And this included me is his son.

530
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: You know, I have a we have the two boys.

531
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: He was the best grandpa, just loved those boys. But

532
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 4: he would come down then you know, we'd have dinner

533
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 4: and we dive in there and then he'd go to

534
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 4: a hotel with my mom.

535
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: They'd go, he wouldn't stay. So I have a theory.

536
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: I don't know this, but I have a theory that

537
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: my father knew he was dying. I think I think

538
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: a doctor told him He's not the type he would

539
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 4: pass that along, because the last time I saw him,

540
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: he came down to visit us in Texas for a week,

541
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 4: and he stayed.

542
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: With us a week. My dad won't stay with you

543
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: for a night.

544
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: There were instances where he would come in, fly in

545
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: and they were gonna have to come stay at the

546
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 4: house to stay with the boys, and he would still

547
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 4: go to a hotel for one night and then get

548
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: up and come back with us. But for this week,

549
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 4: he said, I'm staying with you.

550
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 2: Never happened.

551
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: He brought down a couple hunting knives for the boys.

552
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 4: Never happens. My dad doesn't do that sentimental stuff really,

553
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: And we went out fishing.

554
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: We went fishing, went fishing for red fish. One morning, Saturday.

555
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: It was Saturday morning.

556
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: We went fishing for red fish, got up me him,

557
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: the boys went out fishing. Didn't catch much, but had

558
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 4: a blast listening to him yell at the boys and

559
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: everything was great. We finished with that, we go eat

560
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: a big cage and meal found this cage in place.

561
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 4: We love to eat. My Dad's just like me. We

562
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: just love to eat. Of course I got that from him.

563
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 4: We made pigs of ourselves. And that night it was

564
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: playoff baseball. Dodgers were playing somebody, forget who, maybe the

565
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 4: pad is somebody. Dodgers were playing somebody, and sitting there

566
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: on the couch, my dad had, of course.

567
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: Taken over my recliner.

568
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 4: He comes in and takes over my recliner son sitting

569
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: on the couch and we're watching the baseball games, me

570
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 4: and him, and I just turned to him and I

571
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: told him I loved him.

572
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: Right, That was I mean, it was something we.

573
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: Said but not often, not often, just out of the blue,

574
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: told him I loved him, turns to me, tells me

575
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: he loves me too. That was Saturday night. I hug him,

576
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: kiss him good night, say goodbye. I did not get

577
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 4: up in time to see him. The next morning, they

578
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 4: were leaving super early. He got up him, my mom

579
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: took off. He went home that night on Sunday night,

580
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 4: told my mom that I had told him I loved him,

581
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 4: and how much that meant to him and then went

582
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: to bed and died in his sleep that night.

583
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: God is good.

584
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 5: There is your reminder to each and every person that

585
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: we just don't know when that last moment is going.

586
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: To occur, and live your life accordingly.

587
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's as beautiful as it gifts. How

588
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: much of the person you are politically? I know you're

589
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 5: a miniature version of him in the way you're grumpy

590
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 5: and you're not expressive, but you're tough and you're dutiful

591
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: and all that. How much of your politics looking back now,

592
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: because he's very much a self made man as you are,

593
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 5: how much of your politics do you attribute to things

594
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 5: you heard him say or how you watched him live?

595
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

596
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 4: A lot of it. And what's funny is he wasn't political.

597
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 4: We were not a political family. I didn't grow up political.

598
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: The only political conversation I ever remember having with my parents,

599
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: and I'm not kidding it is the only one I think.

600
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: I was in kindergarten, maybe the first grade.

601
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: George H. W.

602
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: Bush was running for president, and in our class we

603
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: had a mock election, right, and there were Democrats and Republicans,

604
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: and you could you know, there was just grade school,

605
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 4: stupid grade school stuff, and.

606
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what I was or what we were.

607
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: So I went home that night and I asked my parents,

608
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: are we Democrats?

609
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: Are Republicans?

610
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: And I remember my dad playing his day, turning in

611
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: and saying, we're Republicans.

612
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: That was it.

613
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: There was no explanation, you know, there was no deep

614
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: political philosophy around it. But then you know, you watch

615
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: him bust his butt and work that hard work. And

616
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 4: he's a construction man. We're a construction family. His dad

617
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: work construction. That's what he does. You watch him bust

618
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: his butt no matter what. You watch the guy go

619
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: to work, no matter what, cold, hot, busting his reran

620
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: his whole life, hard work, toughness, no whining. And you

621
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: may not have been reading about Ronald Reagan and Winston

622
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: Churchill from your dad.

623
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: But you grow up one day and you figure.

624
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 4: Out, well, that was framing how you view the world.

625
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: You know, and his own way framing how you view

626
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 4: the world will take you to where you need to

627
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: be politically. If your dad's a worthless, loser, freeloader and

628
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: raises you to be that way, you're probably going to

629
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 4: be a Democrat believes in hard work and success, and

630
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: in no whining, you're gonna fall somewhere on the right.

631
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: Maybe you be a libertarian or a nationalist or a

632
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: conservative or something like that, but you're going to be

633
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: somewhere on the right.

634
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: So there's that. And really what I have.

635
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: To politically, at least as far as my career goes,

636
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: to thank him for beyond the lessons about hard work,

637
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: it's being unapologetic.

638
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: About who you were.

639
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: He is, my sister said at his funeral, And it

640
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: was so true that she'd never met anybody in her

641
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: life as unapologetically who he was as my dad was.

642
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: And people will say things to me like, oh, man,

643
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: that was brave.

644
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: I can't believe you said that. That took a lot

645
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 4: of courage, which I find to be ridiculous. It's not

646
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: courageous to say things on TV and radio. You know,

647
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: cops are courageous. Troops are courageous. But to whatever degree

648
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: you believe that, Wow, that really took guts, Well it's

649
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: not that it took guts. I really genuinely just don't

650
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: care if you're angry about it. It's not even that

651
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: I'm happy you're angry or sad.

652
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: You're angry.

653
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: It means nothing to me whatsoever. This is how I feel.

654
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: So this is how I talk, and you can take

655
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: it or leave it. Really genuinely doesn't mean anything.

656
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: To me at all.

657
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: That's the Keliwey and that's really one.

658
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: Of the main things I learned from him.

659
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 5: I'd say, do you know who famously said, imagine how

660
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: much good you can do in the world if you

661
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 5: stop caring.

662
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: What other people think about you? Me?

663
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: No, that's my It's on my way, the only one

664
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: I expect to be remembered for.

665
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: If you'll keep saying it years after I'm gone. I

666
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: have said to.

667
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 5: You jokingly over the years that you're dead inside, and

668
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 5: it is joking part.

669
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: But I do think there is a certain skill set

670
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: to come back to.

671
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: The any anti communist manifesto, there is a skill set

672
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: to taking back our country. Because I hate that people

673
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: think that Trump's going to solve all our problems.

674
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: He's doing his part. We did our part to help

675
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: them get elected.

676
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: But we're the heads of household, we're the heads of businesses,

677
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 5: we're the parents of of kids that are in schools.

678
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: We're out, we're serving on juries.

679
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 5: We're going to have to take this country back, and

680
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 5: part of that means being a little dead inside to

681
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: the emotions of other people. We have to be as

682
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: you it comes naturally to you because you genuinely don't

683
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: care what other people think. We have been taught by

684
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: mommies and school teachers who are mommies at school for

685
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 5: our entire lives that we have to be nice to everyone. No, no,

686
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 5: you've got to do the right thing. And that's what

687
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: I like about the book that the message is understand

688
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: these best, Understand what you're dealing with, Understand who they are,

689
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: and you unapologetically call them that. And now once you

690
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: understand who they are, understand we're in a war and

691
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: how we're going to win.

692
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: And I think that is the point.

693
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: That that's the real takeaway from this book that I

694
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 5: think it has a chance to make a difference with.

695
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 4: It's why I wrote the action items. Every single chapter

696
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 4: has a subject with history and everything else, but at

697
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: the back end of it it has action items. Things

698
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: you can do right. It's not just here's a problem.

699
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: That's a problem.

700
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: That's problem.

701
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: It's things you can do and the boldness to do

702
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: something is required.

703
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: And the reason it look it is a.

704
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: Great aid that I am that way, that I was

705
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: raised that way. It is a great aid when fighting communists,

706
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: because communists are masterful at using your values and your

707
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: emotions against you. It's the you know they're banking on.

708
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 4: When your liberal aunt Peggy walks into your Super Bowl

709
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: party and she starts bragging about her fifteenth abortion and

710
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: talking about why we need all the foreign barbarians in

711
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 4: the country, the normal reaction from the right would be

712
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 4: something similar to what you would expect your wife to say.

713
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: She'd lean in, look at you and say, please don't

714
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: embarrass me. Why because she wants to maintain peace. Lets

715
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: everything calm down, let's just walk away from it. But

716
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: that is how the communist wins that please don't embarrass

717
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: me attitude from us. That has turned him into the

718
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 4: only aggressor in every single social setting, and so he's

719
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 4: moved the culture his way because liberal and Pegan's the

720
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: only one screaming no, no more, don't embarrass me, no more,

721
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: be nice about it, no more, roll your eyes and

722
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: go to the other room.

723
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: No more of that. No, no, no, no no. You put that

724
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: Kami hag.

725
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: Witch in her place right then and there and tell

726
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 4: her if she doesn't like it, she can pack up

727
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 4: her tampons and her cat.

728
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: Litter, and she can get back in her.

729
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 4: Subaru outback and never come back in the house again.

730
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: Start treating the Communists like the rat, demon vermin that

731
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: he is, and stop treating him like just some kind

732
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: of lost, naive child who will slowly come around if

733
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: you're just kind enough to him. That does not work

734
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: with Communists, the religious Celts. They only understand fear and pain,

735
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: and so you have to be the one to give

736
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: that to them.

737
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: You said earlier, know you're enemy, and I think what

738
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: you do a great job in the book at is

739
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 5: explaining who these people are and understanding you can't wait

740
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 5: on them to stop you. You've got to fight back.

741
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: You can't roll over and hope they stop what they're doing.

742
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 5: And I love that as part of it, because we

743
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: have what I call the nice neighbor problem. We all

744
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 5: want to be the nice neighbor, no matter how loud

745
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: the music gets, the gunshots get, the pit bull coming

746
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: on it. I mean, at some point you have to

747
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: push back and say enough is enough. And that's probably

748
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: my favorite part is you explaining and you kind of

749
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: alluded to it there that the communist is not things

750
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: aren't just random people who happen to share some ideas

751
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 5: In both the same way. This is a mindset which

752
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 5: is a replacement for religion. They are zellous, they are committed,

753
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 5: and when you understand what you're up against, then that's

754
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 5: they're fewer of them, but that's why they win so often.

755
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the problem is when it comes to you know,

756
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 4: people love that old saying it takes two to tango,

757
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: but that is not the case when it comes to war,

758
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: whether that be actual kinetic war or cultural wars or

759
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 4: political wars, it only.

760
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: Takes one side.

761
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: And you're liberal and Peggy she believes she's a warrior,

762
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: and she believes she's at war. So no matter what

763
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: you think about that, you're at war.

764
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: She has already declared war. She is fighting a war.

765
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: She's fighting it as if it's a war that she

766
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: must win. And so whether or not you like that

767
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: or agree with that means nothing whatsoever. One side has

768
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 4: decided there is going to be a war, So now

769
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 4: you have to fight it as if it is a war,

770
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: and she fights it as if she intends to win

771
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: it all in all the time, and that's something I

772
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: try to get through to people in the book is

773
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: we can't be as lase fair about power as we

774
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: always have been. Oh sure, we'll show up and vote

775
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: for Donald Trump once every four years, but then local

776
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 4: school board election. I'm too busy. I got soccer practice tonight.

777
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: I can't be bothered with this. I can't be bothered

778
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: with that. That's exactly why you have these red cities

779
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: and red areas that are run by vicious little commie

780
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: monsters putting trannies in the public library to shake his

781
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 4: penis in front of your child, because you abstain from

782
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: power and liberal and Peggy did not. She's not abstaining

783
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: from anything. She drives around like a freaking predator looking

784
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: for choke points of power to seize. And we have

785
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 4: to understand they're around us. They're seizing these choke points,

786
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: and we have to take them back.

787
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 5: Your viewers are watching you mostly talk about national issues.

788
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: The President Trump the other day signed a bill that

789
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 5: said no more boys in women's sports. Turns out eighty percentage. Technically,

790
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 5: seventy nine percent of Americans do not want boys in girls' sports.

791
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 5: What we're talking about now are local family, community issues,

792
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: not national issues. We talked to national issues on national broadcasts.

793
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, and I will

794
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 5: applaud you for this, you have said, get and again

795
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 5: the most important election that you will participate in is

796
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: not presidential.

797
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: It is your local school board. You should participate all

798
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: of them.

799
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 5: And understanding that the communist is most active where the

800
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: rubber hits a road, in the local school, at the

801
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 5: local city garden. And I think that is another important

802
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 5: thing for those who haven't read the book. That's a

803
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 5: point you make again and again. Get involved locally, not

804
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 5: just where you see the national stories.

805
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: Every single person has the ability and should get involved

806
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: in some way. If you are not doing any kind

807
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 4: of political activism, you are flat out wrong. And that

808
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you have to run for Congress or state

809
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 4: or whatever.

810
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: I went to I live in an extremely.

811
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: Read area of Texas, and I went to a school

812
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 4: board meeting.

813
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: This is a few months back. It was a school

814
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: board forum.

815
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: There were five school board seats, so we're talking about

816
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: control of the school board. And I show up probably

817
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty two hundred people there at this thing,

818
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: and I'm gabbing with one of the local elected leaders

819
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: in the back run of the Republicans.

820
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: He knows who I am, and we're there.

821
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm asking him about the demographics of the crowd or

822
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 4: their political meetings in the crowd, and he starts laughing

823
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: and he said, it's a school board meeting, probably ninety

824
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: five percent Democrats.

825
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: Here.

826
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 4: We are blood red area, MAGA flags everywhere.

827
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: Trump is Trump that I love Trump, Go America. Whoo.

828
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 4: But the school board that's going to determine whether Aid

829
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: and Jaden and Braden learn that they're gay in the

830
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: fifth grade. That school board completely occupied by commis and

831
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: it's commi's. They're figuring out which commedy they want on

832
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: the school board while we sit at home church soccer work,

833
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: ignoring the real choke points of power and that we

834
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: cannot do anymore. We have to go take back everything

835
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 4: legally and locally.

836
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: Well. And that's the point of the Ani Communist Manifesto.

837
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 5: That's what I take away from it is understanding how

838
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 5: committed these people are. I really still think, and that's

839
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 5: why I hope people will read the book. I really

840
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 5: still think people are underestimating who these people are. Oh

841
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: my sister, we're just a little different. No, no, you

842
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 5: have to understand. You know, I'm a student of the

843
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: Civil War, and I know that's not of all the

844
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 5: military activity you follow, it's probably not your top one.

845
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 5: It is for me, and I am in constant shocked

846
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 5: at how the Confederate forces, underfed, undertrained, undermanned were able

847
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: to fight so efficiently, effectively against the Union army that

848
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 5: had better food, food, weaponry, training, the whole thing because

849
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 5: the Southern folks were much more committed. It wasn't about slavery.

850
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 5: It was about protecting their own community. And we can

851
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: argue over that all day, but you study these things

852
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 5: and it's like in Jericho in the Bible, they are

853
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 5: fighting with just a viciousness, and it mattered.

854
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: On the battlefield.

855
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 5: These communists, and it might be our sister law, it

856
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: might be our kids teacher. They're fighting with a viciousness.

857
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 5: And you point that out. I think too few people

858
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 5: that do what we do either understand it or are

859
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 5: willing to say it in that way.

860
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 4: Well, when you say it, when you allow your mind

861
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: to go there, then what you do is is you've

862
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: accepted the fact that you're at war. And that's the

863
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: that's the real hold up for most people.

864
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: They don't want to.

865
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: Live their life like that. They don't want to live

866
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: in constant conflict. They don't want to have to get involved,

867
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: even locally. They don't want to have to get screamed at.

868
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: They don't want to have to They don't want to

869
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: have to do these things. People in America want to

870
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 4: just and this is a very natural human thing. I'm

871
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 4: not dogging on Americans. We just want to exist. Can't

872
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 4: I just go to work? Why do you have to?

873
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: This stuff shouldn't even be in school? Why do I

874
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: have to fight this stuff in school?

875
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: What I shouldn't have to?

876
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: We shouldn't I shouldn't have It's a lot of that

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't have to. I should Yeah, you shouldn't have to.

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Speaker 4: But we sat back and laid back for so long.

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Speaker 4: We let the demons take over everything. Well, now you

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Speaker 4: But the hesitancy to acknowledge that the pink haired freak

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Speaker 2: That's a fact, Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Since I'm running the show today, your folks should tell

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Speaker 3: me we're out of time. I appreciate you, my man.

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Speaker 3: I love the book. Everybody by it. It's out in

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Speaker 3: paperback today. I'm very proud of you moment.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my brother, as always, thank you for everything.

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