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Speaker 2: Now, release slowly again, deep in, helle hold release, repeating

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Speaker 2: internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I

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Speaker 2: am deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply

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Speaker 2: I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on

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Speaker 2: your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,

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Speaker 2: and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.

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Speaker 2: This is where we heal, this is where we transcend.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show week after week. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining me. I'm so grateful. This is deeply Well.

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Speaker 2: I am Debbie Brown and we are going to have

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Speaker 2: such an amazing episode today. Today's guest is a woman

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Speaker 2: whose life and work embody purpose, vision and transformation, a

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Speaker 2: reminder that when leadership is rooted in care and consciousness,

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Speaker 2: am so excited to welcome to today's show my friend

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Speaker 2: Alexis Feaster. She is a visionary leader who embodies the

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Speaker 2: strategist and the founder of the Kinship Advisors, where she

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Speaker 2: Her influence extends far beyond sports, from leading engagement strategies

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Speaker 2: The worlds of sports, culture and spirit. Welcome to this show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I cannot be more excited to

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Speaker 2: Oh my goshes girl, I don't even know where to begin.

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Speaker 2: We have known each other a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Well, we all have our stuff, right, but like I've

435
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 2: never seen you make any choices because there was this

436
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: feeling of not enough or deficiency or trying to like please.

437
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: To be liked.

438
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Speaker 2: Right, But what I will say is like it's probably

439
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: that sensitivity that you talk about when you were feeling

440
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: those knots in your stomach and noticing as highly sensitive people,

441
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: which is a very real thing and for so many

442
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: of us as women and likely if you listen to

443
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: this show, come on, you are more than likely highly

444
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: sensitive too. But it's feeling that you know how bright

445
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: you are, and that cast shadow on people that are

446
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: not secure in themselves for a variety of reasons, right,

447
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: that are kind of struggling or wanting or needing to

448
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: feel seen in different ways. You know from historical evidence

449
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: what that kind of nature shines towards you.

450
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: And so sometimes you go in saying.

451
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: Not you personally, I'm saying, you know those of us

452
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: that have that contrast. Sometimes you go in and it's

453
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: really you leading with compassion. So even like I appreciate

454
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: that example he gave you because that makes sense, but

455
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: like that leading that little sister energy, like it feels

456
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: more like I'm walking in knowing that I can trigger

457
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: some people's insecurities, whether I mean to or not, whether

458
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: I ever know what they are or not, And to

459
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: protect against having to take on the load of someone else,

460
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: I like to neutralize the space first. And now it's

461
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 2: like there's different ways to work with that energy. But yeah,

462
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: it's so interesting layers.

463
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, So to that point, it was

464
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: there was an actual situation in Martha's Vineyard while I

465
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: went into an event, and what you're describing, I remember

466
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: consciously doing that. I said, if I walk in this

467
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: room as myself like, there's going to be backlash.

468
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was.

469
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Speaker 1: I was like, people are not going to feel they're

470
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Speaker 1: not going to like it, right, I just could sense

471
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: like it was kind of like a work environment. It's

472
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Speaker 1: new colleagues. I said, I need to come in and

473
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, still be myself, but like go towards those

474
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: that are not the underdogs. But the more, you know,

475
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: not awkward, but just like you know, the folks, I

476
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: don't have as much of the they might be on

477
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: the fringes. The fringes yeah, yeah, so no, it can

478
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: no shade at all. But I just I knew, I said,

479
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: I need to go be with those people, and so

480
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: something in me was like, I'm going to go with

481
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Speaker 1: and make sure to neutralize. So that word that you use,

482
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: just it just touched me so deeply just now because

483
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: that that is what I do, and I remember in

484
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: the vineyard doing that. I was like, I need to

485
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: neutralize this energy because if I don't, then who knows

486
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: if I'm going to get the outcomes that I need

487
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: for the rest of this project or for whatever's next.

488
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: I had to consciously neutralize the room. And so I

489
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: you using that language for me is very very helpful

490
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Speaker 1: because I wasn't thinking of it in that way at

491
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Speaker 1: the time. I was like, let me go find the

492
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Speaker 1: person who I know. You know, but it is something

493
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: that I that I do. And funny enough, even when

494
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: when my partner mentioned the little sister energy, the reason

495
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: why it sat with me so much is to your point,

496
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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't feel like I'm dimming my

497
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's because you're not.

498
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Speaker 2: I've never seen you trying to prove right. It's like

499
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: you're not. Like you get a lot of like great

500
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: things that you know, move in your life, so you're

501
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: not Yeah, you're not trying to win people over. But

502
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: I think it's so cool that we're actually having this

503
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: talk out loud. I hope this is really useful for

504
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: people listening because I think this dynamic we're speaking to

505
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: it is such a nuanced experience. But women with light

506
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: and I know so many women listening to the show

507
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: and men thank you so much, but carry a light

508
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: that they've been trying to understand for their whole lives.

509
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: And when you have light and you're led by that

510
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: in your leadership roles, you're not led by ego. It

511
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: is very confusing how to take up space because you

512
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: don't need to be aggrandizing, you don't need to walk

513
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: in the room and tell it this is who I

514
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: am and this is what I do, and this is

515
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: why you should be thinking I'm powerful and want to

516
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: earn my attention. And then there's other people that's like

517
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 2: I already feel really good about who I am and

518
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: what I'm doing, and somehow that's provoking to some people

519
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: in a different way. So finding that balance, I think

520
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: so many of us work with that energy for so

521
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: much of our lives, and then the more work we

522
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: do on ourselves, you know, like you've been describing in

523
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: your process, it's like then we get to land and

524
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: understand like, oh, yeah, because those are the like the

525
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: people in the room who have a nature to try

526
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: to disminish others when they feel that feeling.

527
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: And then you learn, oh.

528
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: They're actually the first to fold.

529
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like as soon as I stop participating with this

530
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: and thinking I need to even neutralize them, they fold. Yeah,

531
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: they don't know what else to do, you know. But

532
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I love that.

533
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: I love that.

534
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: It's so true. I'm sorry, no, yeah, because we're not.

535
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: I think there is a percentage of women right now

536
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: that are really navigating this because they're called to new

537
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: levels of leadership and new levels of community, and you

538
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: have to be truly so pristine and aligned when you

539
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: are called to lead in your community building.

540
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, makes sense, it does. And what you're describing

541
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: is literally to your point of whoever's listening, why I'm

542
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: actively navigating this literally as we speak. You've talked about

543
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: it today, I'm navigating it. And so it's one of

544
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: these situations where I used to feel the light that

545
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: we're describing. I used to, I mean for decades, like

546
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: I would come into a room and I felt that

547
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I had this inner beacon, like this light. And then

548
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: there was you know, some things that happened the past

549
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: couple of years where I felt a little bit disconnected.

550
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: And so one of the practices that I've been doing

551
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: lately and even in my affirmations and my journaling, and

552
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: I've been doing these guided like hypnosis meditations, and I've

553
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: been saying like, oh, I like, where's my light? And

554
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: so and as I'm working with people, they are like, oh,

555
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: your light is there, and I'm like, I just don't

556
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: feel I used to be able to feel like I

557
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: could see it coming out of my body. I used

558
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: to be able to walk around and I was like

559
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: the light coming down from the top of my head.

560
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: I used to walk in the light. It was so strong.

561
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: And so there's something has happened in the past couple

562
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: of years where I'm like, why don't I feel it.

563
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm about to be forty four. I felt the light

564
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: for you know, two decades right or more where I

565
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: can identify that I have the thing, and so it's

566
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: been It's caused me a little bit of turmoil. I'm like,

567
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: why don't I feel it the same way?

568
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Now?

569
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Luckily I have people, not that I need the validation,

570
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: but it is nice at times when you're wondering where

571
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: something has gone, I'm like, no, no, it's there. And

572
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: so even unpacking that, I'm like, is it that I've

573
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: had grief with lost the past couple of years and

574
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: I just am feeling disconnected? Is it? So I'm like,

575
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: why don't I feel it in the same way? But

576
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: I know that it is me, Like I know again

577
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: that the source that God has put the light in

578
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: me and that it can't be dimmed, it can't be

579
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: taken away. But it has been an interesting navigation that

580
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: you're describing because I used to be able to see

581
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: it in myself and I know it's there, but I,

582
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: like I said, I used to radiate it, used to

583
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: the warmth I could feel around my own body in

584
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: a way that I haven't felt.

585
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: It's coming back. I will say it's coming back.

586
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: But last year was tough and I would wake up

587
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: and be like this, where'd the light go? You know?

588
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: And so it is I think an active navigation that's

589
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: happening for many of us. Yeah, oh my gosh.

590
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah and even just yeah what is sometimes grief requires

591
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: are life? You know, Like sometimes it's like I think,

592
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: also something I'm learning that I think we all, I

593
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: think could just bring us all a little peace and

594
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: knowing that like it all, it all fluctuates, but it

595
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have to mean anything is wrong, right, you know

596
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: what I mean.

597
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, like sometimes you got to turn the

598
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: lights off, you know.

599
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or in some seasons it's actually protection because

600
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: if you're super bright, that it might not be the

601
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: season for that spiritually in the air, you know. But

602
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: I still resonate with that, like really really deeply, And

603
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting, Like for everybody listening right now,

604
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: spend some time on thinking that on just like.

605
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Where do you feel your light? How do you feel it?

606
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: And then what are you being told about right now?

607
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: You know, I think we're all getting like new deeper

608
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: understandings and messages from the divine right now on like

609
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: how to surf, absolutely to serve.

610
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it definitely is. I know we talked about

611
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: being a community builder. I've been a community girl my

612
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: whole life, like literally, like the brand on my back

613
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: is like community girl. And so even at different phases

614
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: of my career, I've run foundations for professional athletes and

615
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: done these different things. And then I woke up at

616
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: a certain point and was like, I'm community girl, but

617
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: I might not be foundation girl, right, I'm like, maybe

618
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking this too far, right, And so that

619
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: brand of who I am and what I've loved to

620
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: do and every job I've done has been about building community.

621
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I have pride in that that is part of my purpose.

622
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm very clear that my purpose is to do that.

623
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: But as I've navigated you know, these different phases to

624
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: your point about light and all of that, it's you know,

625
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm at this phase now where I'm like, how do

626
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: I want to build community? Different? Because sometimes I'm building

627
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: community because I see that there's a need. Is that

628
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: my role? Is that my job?

629
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Though?

630
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: And so you know, when I was dealing with grief,

631
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: my beautiful niece, Savilla passed away of cancer. It'll be

632
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, two years in April. It is the most

633
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: devastating thing that you could ever imagine. And she's just

634
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: such a light. She used to pray for other kids

635
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: that had cancer, she used to chant with my mom

636
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: and and just be just the most spiritual little girl.

637
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: And we know that, you know, the way that we

638
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: were able to cope with that is, you know, God

639
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: did us a favor by letting us have her, even

640
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: for the little bit of time we were supposed to

641
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: have her, Like she wasn't meant to be here. She

642
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: was just beyond her years and he wanted her back,

643
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: and so you know, we have to just deal with that.

644
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: But you know, I share that to say that during

645
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: that horrible phase of this, it's a phase that will

646
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: never go away. But during during that that grief, I

647
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: was having a really hard time praying, and I you know,

648
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: of course, it's like, oh, you know, you try to

649
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: be okay with it because you have no choice. You know,

650
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: we literally, as a family watched her and take her

651
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: last breath, which is horrible, Oh my God, But you know,

652
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: so we're like, okay, so you gave us to her

653
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: for what she was meant to be here for, which

654
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: was to bring love, and she was such a loving girl.

655
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: And then the other piece of it is like, you know,

656
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: I know that God doesn't make mistakes, So if I

657
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: trust God, I know he doesn't make mistakes. So if

658
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: he's not making a mistake, then I have to be

659
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: okay with it. And so as I went through and

660
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: tried to pray more and just I couldn't like it

661
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: was so it was, and I guess it's normal, Like

662
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the more I read about it, it's normal to be

663
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: mad at God. And I know you talk about that

664
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: in your book too, And so I was upset, but

665
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: I was trying not to be. I was trying to

666
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: be like, God, I know you don't make mistakes. And yes,

667
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: we're grieving and this is horrible, even more horrible for

668
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: her mom and her dad and her sister and my

669
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: mom who helped raise her. But I'm like, I need

670
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: to build community to get me closer to God. So

671
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: I specifically, I like started a group chat with women

672
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: in sports and entertainment, and just I chose women who

673
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: I was really close with, like swin Cash, who I

674
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: know is a faithful servant. And then I also went

675
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I should have done this,

676
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll say that, but what I also did was I

677
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: looked with them my network of people who have been

678
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of talking a bit about wanting to get closer

679
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: to God. And I was like, well, I'm doing this

680
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: for me, but maybe I can be of service in

681
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: my community. So in addition to me going to the

682
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: women who I know are faithful and you know, can

683
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: pray for me and help me get over this hump,

684
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: maybe I can also do what I do with my jobs, right,

685
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: is feel community. And so women who I know were

686
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: struggling with their own faith, I invited them because maybe

687
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: they can be closer to God by being part of

688
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: this community. And so it ended up being forty women

689
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: in this chat. And so I'm really proud and these

690
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: women all connected all the time. But even in when

691
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: I think about who I want to be in the future,

692
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: is that my responsibility, Like I don't know the answer, right,

693
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: is it my responsibility to then bring along others when

694
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: I know it's my purpose to do that. And I

695
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: know I'm rambling a little bit, but it's something that

696
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I that I'm thinking about. Right, It's like, should have

697
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: just been my core group of people? Like what is

698
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: it about me that wants to constantly bring others along?

699
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: And again, I know it's my purpose, but at what

700
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: detriment to me?

701
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: You know? I just I'm so thank you for like

702
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: letting all of us into your process, because I think

703
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: it's incredibly important that you're saying this out loud, and

704
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: I think this is really a theme right now for

705
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: a certain percentage of people.

706
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: And I think as women, like that's.

707
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: Such a great evaluation of ways to kind of take

708
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: a step back and do this often and just evaluate,

709
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: like this is who I am right now? Is this

710
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: like where I want to be? Is this who I

711
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: still feel like I should be? And what is like

712
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: the greater cost of that? Because as women were trained

713
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: to be martyrs, we're trained to be the ones that

714
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: pull everybody in.

715
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: And some of that.

716
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: Obviously is so beautiful, but sometimes at what cost? Right?

717
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: And like where are there blind.

718
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: Spots possible in that?

719
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: Right? Especially in the mixing of communities, Like I think

720
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: that's something we're navigating in community right now is like

721
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: I didn't realize people had different definitions for integrity, right,

722
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: you know, that's just.

723
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: One and maybe all.

724
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: All experiences aren't always one size fits all, Like everybody

725
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: can come into that room. There are some rooms that

726
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: should be general admission, no matter where you are on

727
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: your journey, but there is there are some rooms where

728
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: some people are still in their fundamental learning and it

729
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: can be sometimes dangerous or chaotic or just not serving

730
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: to like mix with people who are needing something else

731
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: on their journey at that time.

732
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so. And I don't know the answer because

733
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: I think so much in my identity is known for that.

734
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: And I'm getting the recognition, right, Like I get messages

735
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: all the time from these women like thank you because

736
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: now I'm super close with this person or this person.

737
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: The introduction of this community has allowed me this opportunity,

738
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: and that's really what I want. Right, But then is

739
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: it still a safe space for me?

740
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Like?

741
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: And is that selfish? Right? It was built because I

742
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: was greeting my niece and I wanted a space where

743
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: I can have accountability. I'm leaving Bible studies, you know,

744
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: once a month on these zooms and I'm like, am

745
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: I qualified? You know, Like at the end of each one,

746
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: I ask if anyone wants to pray, and I'm like,

747
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm not even good at this, right, And then I

748
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: do it and they're like you're great, and I'm like,

749
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: but you know, so there's these these different things. And

750
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: so the intention was community, but I make this very public.

751
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: It was selfishly because I need I needed something to

752
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: bring me closer to God because I was feeling so naked.

753
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: I was feeling so naked, not having the light mixed

754
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: with God, mixed with the ability to be able to

755
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: think something and have it manifest into reality the way

756
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: that I was able to do it in the past,

757
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: and I was just feeling naked. And so, you know,

758
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: in building that, I think part of it is the

759
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: cloak of community too. I'm like, oh, if I have

760
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: these other people and that means that this is a

761
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: whole group of people praying for me. And again, I

762
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: don't know if that's still accurate, right, Like, I don't know,

763
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I honestly I don't have the answer,

764
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: but it's something I'm thinking about. Yeah, I love this.

765
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: The answers will arise.

766
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I meant to, right, And I can't wait to

767
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: see like this time next year. I can't wait to like, yes,

768
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: care about all the things, you know, kind of speaking

769
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: to that, like, let's I want to lean in here

770
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: a little bit more, and I really want to talk

771
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: about the movie.

772
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, holding so many.

773
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: Spaces, with such a variety of creative's minds, of people,

774
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: of you know, even movements. What does it really take

775
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: for you at this point to stay centered while living

776
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: a full, purpose driven life? You know, I know you

777
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: have this amazing group that you've built, but how else,

778
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: maybe are you privately tending to your own spirit?

779
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, it's a great question. We talked a bit

780
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: about like my home is my sanctuary, right, I know

781
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: your home is your sanctuary. And you know, I remember

782
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: making that move and thinking if I don't get out

783
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: of the situation that I'm in, And it wasn't like

784
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: it was, you know, I lived in a condo in Maryland.

785
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was great. It had art deco vibes,

786
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: eleventerior design. But I remember feeling so claustrophobic. I felt,

787
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I physically felt like I was suffocating, and I hadn't

788
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: had that feeling before, and obviously it was you know,

789
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: coming out of the pandemic, and we all, I'm sure

790
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: it felt claustrophobic, but there was something where I was like,

791
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: I need to expand for my mental health, Like I

792
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: need to create a space that feels like it's holding

793
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: me right, you know, I wanted to be held and

794
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: I felt like my environment could hold me. Yeah, And

795
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: so when I moved to Florida and I found this

796
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: property and it's on this beautiful canal, and I was like,

797
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to renovate it and make it a place

798
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: that feels like a retreat, that feels like a sanctuary.

799
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: And so going home gives me that I'm going through

800
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: various like rituals and practices that I learned from you,

801
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: and oftentimes feel inadequate and feel guilty that I'm not

802
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: as consistent as I know I need to be to

803
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: be who I want to be. And so I find

804
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: that to be an interesting practice of care too, because

805
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I know what I need to do, and I think

806
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: this happens to so many of us women. And I

807
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: know that's why you wrote, you know, living in Wisdom,

808
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: because it's for people literally just like me, where we

809
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: go to the retreats, and we read the books and

810
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: we listen to all the podcasts, but then you're actually

811
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: teaching us, like, literally, this is how you deal with this.

812
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: These are the actual modalities that you use. And that's

813
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: been infinitely helpful for me. I'm literally the audience for

814
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: what you've done and so much. It means so much

815
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: because now I feel like, you know, that can help

816
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: me get to the next level. And so you know,

817
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: it's hard, right because I have in the back of

818
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: my mind every day this vision of myself, and I

819
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: know my potential and I know that even in the

820
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: spaces that I've been in immediate entertainment, that doesn't feel

821
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: like home to me. It doesn't feel safe to me,

822
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: you know. And so if I don't feel safe in

823
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: these environments where I poured my life in my career,

824
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: and like I don't want to be in those spaces,

825
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I haven't felt appreciated all the

826
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: time in those spaces. And so I say all that

827
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: to say that now part of my ritual is to

828
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: find new spaces where I do feel seen and to

829
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: look at my purpose and my skill set and say, oh, yeah,

830
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: I was to shit over here at the NBA and

831
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: at Obama at this and now I'm a movie producer

832
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: and I have a company, and my company doestrategy and

833
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: we help other people see the light and have these

834
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: different opportunities. But I think a lot of the practice

835
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: is in the work that you do and the work

836
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: that you're teaching us all to do. And it is

837
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: a daily, you know practice, you know, like you say,

838
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: to try to to try to reach to the places

839
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: where I feel inner peace and I feel like I'm

840
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: growing in the ways that I need to. I will

841
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: say full transparency. Sometimes it feels like it needs to

842
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: be a full time job. Woo girl. I'm like, yeah,

843
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I reach my full potential of this new way that

844
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: I see my life if it feels like a full

845
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: time job and that doesn't feel like a chore, it

846
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: feels beautiful. Yeah. But I'm like, in order for me

847
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: to do the work, I need to, like, you know,

848
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: how are you gonna pay the bills and then work

849
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: on yourself? Oh my god, what do you do?

850
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: Right?

851
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: So like, and I'm sure many people are thinking that, like,

852
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: how what do we do?

853
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: You know?

854
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: It's abadical, I don't know, but oh I felt that.

855
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: Deeply because i'd be like I need three weeks to recover.

856
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: Right, you know, yeah, yeah.

857
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: But you know what to every that you're saying, and

858
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: just like, thank you so much for the generosity of

859
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: spirit and speaking to my book and the practices. But

860
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: it won't be like that forever. Yeah, you know, I

861
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: think when we're developing, and it'll happen every few years.

862
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: But because I find that myself, I'm redeveloping what are

863
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: the practices I need right now, right and those are

864
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: going to change, and so every few years, I feel

865
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 2: like I redevelop what I actually require and you start over.

866
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, at first, it's definitely a full time job.

867
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: It's exhausting. You're like, oh my god, how much are

868
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: all these bags of epsom song?

869
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: Like this is a lot.

870
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: But then you'll notice that you have so healed and

871
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: nourished into the present that now you're above ground and

872
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: you can you can really become more with.

873
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: A lot less.

874
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: It'll take so much less to get you to get

875
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: like right to that point again of just you know,

876
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: feeling rested and ready to shine and ready to give.

877
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: What's funny about you saying that is I feel like

878
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I was before the loss of my niece and before

879
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: that time of like just such intense grief, which again

880
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: is always there, but I felt like I was really close,

881
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, like I was like, oh, I was so close,

882
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: Like I was going to the retreats with you and

883
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: Queen of Fula doing all the deepok stuff and you know,

884
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: crazy enough, I ended up interviewing Deepak on a stage

885
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: at an entire football arena. Oh my god, I was like,

886
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: who am I? Like, who am I?

887
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm meeting medication on state.

888
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is literally God manifesting in my life

889
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: for all the things I want to be and do

890
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: and and my where my attention has been going, my

891
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: focus has been going on being rewarded. And then it

892
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: all kind of it didn't fall by the wayside, but

893
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: it just it shifted. And so to your point about

894
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: these seasons, I felt so close and so there is

895
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: some grief in that, you know, like I'm starting fresh.

896
00:43:51,920 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no judgment, yeah, deeply. Well, sometimes we get to

897
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: glimpse what's coming, but only because we're gonna temper our

898
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: reality to get more use to operating at that frequency

899
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: full time. So it's like I've had experiences like that myself,

900
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: where I was just like I've gotten the thing you're

901
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: and then you're like and no calls for two years,

902
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: right or like oh and nothing else like that.

903
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: Right now, I would be doing this every day.

904
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: But I found that, like you don't actually need to

905
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: be right because like sometimes you impact in the exact

906
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: way that you're supposed to, and you can take a

907
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: lot of space and then the rest of your life

908
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: catches up to hold the full kind of weight and

909
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: frequency of what it is to do that work every day,

910
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: because I think, like especially and i'd be so curious

911
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: for listeners listening you know, dm us like at us,

912
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: like if anyone else is having this experience.

913
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: But like when I.

914
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: First knew that I I was called to be in

915
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: like this work of being deeply well no pun intended,

916
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: I would have really intense seasons of being in it

917
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: and then kind of being out of it. And what

918
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: I realized is I had to really prepare for what

919
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 2: I was going to hold, Like there were additional things

920
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: that I needed to move out of my body and

921
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: my life, like grief is one of them.

922
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: Limiting thoughts.

923
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: Gaining mastery and knowing how to take care of myself

924
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: and hold kind of big space for heart hearing, really

925
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: hard things that if I had started doing all of

926
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: that when I was early on this path, I wouldn't

927
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: have survived, you know, I would not have survived. There

928
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: are some things, and you know, like we've been in

929
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: a retreat room before, you know, some things that are

930
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: shared when you're coming into these spaces to lead like.

931
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: That are really hard, that are really.

932
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: Painful for people, you know, and you got to have

933
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: the space in there for it. And so I just

934
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: want to I want to honor and recognize that, Like

935
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's ever because someone is ill

936
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: equipped or deficient, or because it's not somehow the path

937
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: has been pulled away and that's not going to be

938
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: where you're meant to be. I think we get to

939
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: say it's kind of how the astrology transits work, like

940
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: you get to dip in for a little bit and

941
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: then you come back and your body readjusts and now

942
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: your life begins to readjust to hold the fullness of

943
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 2: that reality full time.

944
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: That feels that way though to that point, it's like,

945
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, the vulnerability that I'm sharing around my struggles

946
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: now is I feel like that's part of the story too.

947
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm like I have to, like I had,

948
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: we need it because we got to know how you

949
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: engineered it. Everybody needs to know, like how did you

950
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: get yourself there? Because then people know you are who

951
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: you say you are exactly. There are a lot of

952
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: people that every time the tide change it We have

953
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 2: seen this every time the tide changes in the zeitgeist

954
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: and something new is in. I remember, I'll use an

955
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: example of like this one person I happened to notice

956
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: on social where anytime any new thing was the leading

957
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: conversation or in their bio changed. So they went from

958
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: being such and such to being, you know, an anti

959
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: racism activist to being a wellness guru to being you know,

960
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: like everything that would be or originally started as like

961
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: the shadiest would call out and keep it real and

962
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: drop shade. And it's just like, those aren't people that

963
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: live the wisdom, right, Those aren't people that live the

964
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: work and serve with the work.

965
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: And I think this is what really.

966
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: And I hope this gets driven home for everybody listening.

967
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: Those in between passages are like where we earn it,

968
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: where we really prove to God that we can be

969
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: trying that we are who we say we are, and

970
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: then we're actually having useful, helpful, important, nourishing things to

971
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: share with people, not just more talk about well you

972
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: should be doing this?

973
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Really did you did you do that? Is that how

974
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: you did it?

975
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: You know? So?

976
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: Like I just I love it because.

977
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: We need this grace and we're always going to be

978
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: dipping into a middle passage, you know, every every five years,

979
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: every decade, but uh happen?

980
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's funny. As a kid, I remember I

981
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: used to say to myself, like, what did you do

982
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: to deserve all this goodness? Like not in a self

983
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: deprecating way, but I used to be like, God, You're

984
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: so good to me? Am I good to you? Like

985
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: I remember having this kude, Oh my gosh, since I

986
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: was a kid, twelve thirteen years old. I remember being like,

987
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: why why are you so?

988
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: Why me? Like?

989
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: Am I going to church the way I'm supposed to?

990
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: This is I wasn't even in high school yet. I

991
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: just remember having these dialogues with myself and God, like

992
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: you do everything for me, You provide I can think

993
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: of some thing and you'll give it to me. And

994
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: am I pleasing to you? Am I doing what I'm

995
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: supposed to do to you, and so what you're sharing

996
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: right now. As far as like the Middle Passage, I

997
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: do feel like now I'm earning it. Like it not

998
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: that he wants to punish me or have me get

999
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: de grief. It's like I I in a weird way,

1000
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of coming full circle because I feel like

1001
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: my life has been such a blessing as it should be.

1002
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: I deserve I'm God's favorite child. I deserve it. I

1003
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: deserve all the things. And at the same time, I

1004
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: remember having the thoughts of like, if I'm not obedient

1005
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: to what he's asking me to do, if I'm not

1006
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: going into the house of God, if I don't have

1007
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: our church home, why why do I get all the things?

1008
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: Why does he give me everything? And so there's something

1009
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: about that that I think many of us think about,

1010
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: even if we don't stay out loud. I've never really

1011
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: said that out loud either, but I believe this Middle

1012
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Passage and this, like you said, going through this thing

1013
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: is like, in a weird way, it's giving me the

1014
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: grit again. I don't want a hard life. I want

1015
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 1: to sell I want to come life.

1016
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: Look this all this life I could get.

1017
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: But there's something there's so much validity to what you

1018
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: just said, the authenticity of that, and there's some of

1019
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: that I feel, Yeah, thank you.

1020
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm just so glad we're having this exact conversation we're

1021
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: having because this is what I think, this is what

1022
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: we all need. We need to understand the nuance of

1023
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: what it is to live purpose driven, what it is

1024
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: to be the multifaceted dynamic women all of us are.

1025
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: All of us have so many facets, you know, and

1026
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: I think we're all learning how to take up space

1027
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: with them. I did this event recently and Rebecca Minkoff

1028
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: has this women's cohort in leadership, and she said something

1029
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: I had never in my.

1030
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: Life thought about, Like she was just like, you.

1031
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: Know, women have only been working for one hundred years.

1032
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: That's it.

1033
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: And I really like, let that sink in.

1034
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: Now.

1035
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: Granted we work in yeah, and depending on the cultural background,

1036
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: like women have in less. You know, in previous time,

1037
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: unless you were married and of a certain background, you

1038
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: were working in some capacity. But like this idea that

1039
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: women have only been really working professionally and being allowed

1040
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: to earn their own money for one hundred years, like

1041
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: a century is nothing. And then when you actually shoot

1042
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: that forward and say women that have been living purposefully

1043
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: right and or having big careers or big dynamic lives.

1044
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: That's been forty years. Wow, we're still learning. So the

1045
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: fact that you and I can have this vulnerable conversation

1046
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: where someone can hear the way you move and reckon

1047
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: inside outside of the optics of she worked with President Obama, right,

1048
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: like big people have respect for her Obama, Jay Z

1049
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: leading athletes, probably the commissioner at the NBA, you know,

1050
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: like these are people that respect you and have leaned

1051
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: on you over the years. And then to also understand

1052
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: all the inner workings as we still are settling into

1053
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: what that is for us, Like we're still the pioneers,

1054
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: honestly of what it is to be career driven, purposeful women.

1055
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: We're the first batch.

1056
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: There have been those outliers, those one or two women

1057
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: that made it big that you'd hear about around the country,

1058
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: but now it's like, you know, there's millions, and so

1059
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: this is still new. We are still learning how to

1060
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: lead our way.

1061
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: It's so true. And as you're talking about the leading

1062
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: of it all right, you think about the careers and

1063
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: the jobs. One of the exercises I've been trying to

1064
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: practice as I'm you know, doing this, you know, press

1065
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: tour for the film and having different conversations on different panels.

1066
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I describe myself without leading with NBA, Obama?

1067
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: This job, that job? Like how does that release the roles?

1068
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? Release the role? You know well and to your point,

1069
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: but for only for forty years have we had these jobs?

1070
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: Like why do I want to release that?

1071
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: Right?

1072
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: Should it be something that's really interesting?

1073
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: It's really interesting? Right? Like is that? And it was

1074
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: given to me as a challenge, as an exercise actually,

1075
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, well, oh yeah, let me try

1076
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: to do that, Like what does it look like? Because

1077
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: and I've spoken to you about this, like I don't

1078
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: feel like I hold the titles and the affiliations as

1079
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: my identity. I never have. That's never been something like

1080
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: it's nice to go to games and yeah I got

1081
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: pictures with Obama and jay Z like that's cute. But

1082
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: I've got there's so much respect for me in my

1083
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: work that it's been able to transcend the title of

1084
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: the job. Right, I'm a respected person who does what

1085
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: I do, and that is the title that I like

1086
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: to hold. Right that I'm an expert in my field

1087
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: and I'm sought after to do what I do. But

1088
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: this idea to describe myself or to go on, you know,

1089
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: I just take culture con amani amazing, amazing experience. And

1090
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: it was like, how do I you know, obviously someone

1091
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: says your bio, but how do I talk about my

1092
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: work and not talk about the actual job? Oh my gosh.

1093
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: And it's really like, it's the purpose driven work, it's

1094
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: the connectivity, it's the community. But when you mentioned the

1095
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: forty years and one hundred years, it's making me think

1096
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: like what is that about? Right? Like do we not

1097
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: need to continue to lead with that in order to

1098
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: inspire others? And you know, such an interesting yes, is

1099
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: it necessary?

1100
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: I think we we all need to land in our truest,

1101
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: most grounded service based understanding of why those titles can

1102
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: be useful, have respect for how they were earned, but

1103
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: definitely not quantify self with them and not use it

1104
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: as like a tactic to like dominate a space, you know,

1105
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: because I found like for myself, like I definitely wrestled

1106
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: with that when I was changing worlds because I felt

1107
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: like there was this whole side of me that I

1108
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 2: was actually like bearing you know that it was just like, oh,

1109
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: she doesn't exist anymore. And it took ten years for

1110
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: some of it to come circle full circle and me

1111
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: kind of be able to use both. But I would

1112
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: have the experience, I'm so curious to share this with you,

1113
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: Like I would have the experience in the last handful.

1114
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Of years where people would.

1115
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: Project sometimes in some rooms, mostly professional women rooms, where

1116
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: they would project this irritation onto me because I don't

1117
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: lean into titles, and some people would falsely assume that's

1118
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: some kind of insecurity clearly not no I or you know,

1119
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: they It would just irritate them because they were so

1120
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: used to feeling valuable based on who they were telling

1121
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: people they were. And I would just show up and

1122
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: be like, hey, I'm Debbie, and if people be like

1123
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: and what else, I'd be like.

1124
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm Debbie.

1125
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 2: Here's what I stand for, no matter who I'm working for,

1126
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: what I'm doing, like not leading with that, and that

1127
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: can provoke people as well, you know. So it's such

1128
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: an interesting juggle to try to figure out how to

1129
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: how do I express the truth of my professionalism, the

1130
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: truth of my expertise, without also bringing a lot of

1131
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: hubris into it and making it seem egoic or above.

1132
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: And still in this day and age where people can

1133
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: say they are whatever they are, the nuance is important, right,

1134
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: Like there is a distinction of not a title because

1135
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: it makes you valuable, but owning the fact that you

1136
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 2: have earned your perspective, that you've really earned what you

1137
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: bring into a space and like what you rely on

1138
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: to get to that information.

1139
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: I hope I'm making sense. No, you are, And what's

1140
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: coming up for me is it's like the it's part

1141
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: of that, but with a little bit of a different

1142
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: angle that's coming to mind from the perspective of you know,

1143
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: when I'm not leading with my title and when I'm

1144
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: no longer in those jobs, even though I have the reputation,

1145
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: I have, the you would think, the respect I have,

1146
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: the background, the bio, all the things that you're describing

1147
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: that exists. That's true, it's real. And for whatever reason, now,

1148
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: if I'm not directly working in the NBA, for example,

1149
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: spaces where I was welcome, I don't feel welcome, and

1150
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: spaces where I would normally get an invite, I'm not

1151
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: no longer invited. And so part of that is like, well,

1152
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: your party's gonna be whack anyway because I'm not there.

1153
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, go ahead, and I have you know, but

1154
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: but there is.

1155
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: A piece of it that's like, huh okay. So to

1156
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: your point around these amazing women, I have these amazing

1157
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: colleagues who I work with women in sports, and they

1158
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: have these coalitions and organizations and for whatever reason, like

1159
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: because I'm no longer in that job, even though I'm

1160
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: doing similar work, I'm doing work to me that's even

1161
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: more purposeful. I'm doing it as an entrepreneur, which is

1162
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: really hard. Five years in, still an entrepreneur. That's super

1163
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: super hard from a statistical standpoint. I still have a

1164
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: business that's viable where I haven't had to go back

1165
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: in house, and all of a sudden, that's no longer

1166
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: my community. How did that happen?

1167
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: Right?

1168
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: Like what happened that? Now? You know I'm not part

1169
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: of that thing? And so and of course I see folks,

1170
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: and you know, you go to All Star and you

1171
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: see people, but that part has been really interesting. I'm like, so,

1172
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: now you've thrown me away or you've discarded me because

1173
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm not leading with that title, or I'm no longer

1174
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: in that job. When in reality. The thing that I'm

1175
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: so proud of is that I've been able to expand

1176
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: my portfolio. So you might see me at the Oscars.

1177
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: Now you saw you were just at the SP's and

1178
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: they showed my movie at the SPI's. They showed the

1179
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: trailer at the SP's in front of every athlete that

1180
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: was there. Right, So I'm like, well, I'm getting access

1181
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: to bigger rooms, but I don't treat people that way.

1182
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: But that's what that is, right, It's just you're being

1183
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: asked to bring your full focus into different rooms, right,

1184
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, And like I think that is like that

1185
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: kind of what would I call it, like the initiation

1186
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: where you're kind of like, oh, I have to be

1187
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: rejected a little yes to like really lock in my

1188
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: focus and see like, oh this is.

1189
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: What's in front of me. Absolutely, And what's exciting about

1190
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: that is you know again and not from an ego,

1191
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, perspective, but part of me is like, oh you,

1192
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: thank you.

1193
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1194
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm always like thank you God, Like now I know

1195
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: who you really are and when it look like seven

1196
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: years ago at the NBA and who who you really are,

1197
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: who we are to each other today, Thank you God,

1198
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh my gosh. And so that's been something

1199
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: that I'm so grateful that I've had in me for

1200
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know when God placed it, but it feels

1201
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: like decades where it's you know, yes, of course you

1202
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: always want to have people thinking of you, but the

1203
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: reality is I'm like, thank you God, because things come

1204
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: full circle, right, like things always come full circle. But

1205
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: more importantly, I'm in spaces I never thought I dream of.

1206
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: And when I think of my portfolio, my body of work,

1207
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been in all these spaces. And sometimes

1208
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, someone asked me the other day,

1209
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: would you ever go back in house at some of

1210
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: these other jobs? And I said, why would I go backwards?

1211
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: Why would I go backwards? I don't. I've gotten job offers,

1212
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: I've had the opportunity. Why And it's no shade, but

1213
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: like my trajectory is telling me to move forward and

1214
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: to push beyond. And it's not that I'm missing anything

1215
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: from the past, but it's it's just interesting to me

1216
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: because again, as a community builder, I'm like, oh, this

1217
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: is great, Like, let's just keep collecting more opportunities to collaborate.

1218
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: And so it has been an interesting journey, you know

1219
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: again as women in this space and having these these

1220
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: big jobs and doing these big things, especially at a

1221
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: young age, you know, And so I'm like, well, I've

1222
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: already done that. Like you want to work for the mayor,

1223
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: I work for the president, like, you know, like on

1224
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: a big scale, to the point where he would see

1225
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: me at an event and he would come up to

1226
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: me and say, I knew this was you, Like I'll

1227
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: never forget. Like I was standing in the hallway at

1228
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: forty forty Club with Jay Z and Beyonce and he

1229
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: comes down the hallway and I'm thinking he's going to

1230
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: address her, and he says, I just wanted to tell

1231
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: you I knew this was you. I knew this was you.

1232
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: And so to have that branding real surreal.

1233
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: So, you know, at the end of the day, I

1234
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: have these memories and these things that feed my soul

1235
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: and my spirit. But to your point, we go into

1236
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: these rooms and spaces sometimes and I'm trying to temper

1237
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,959
Speaker 1: the ego and temper all the things, and sometimes people

1238
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: want to humble you, you know in other ways.

1239
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they think so they right, freedom is hard

1240
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: for people. Yeah, freedom is hard, like real authentic freedom,

1241
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: is rare. Yeah, and it's hard sometimes for some people.

1242
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: To behold it.

1243
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: You get such a you get the polarity of it

1244
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: where you can deeply inspire, like I mean, you're inspiring

1245
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: at the core of someone's spirit what's possible. And there's

1246
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: the shadow aspect where someone and they'll never name it,

1247
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: right like, they'll never say it out loud. Hopefully they

1248
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: come to it because it would heal. But the freedom,

1249
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: the ease of movement, the brilliance that shines in any capacity,

1250
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: right like that is so hard for some people to

1251
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: witness and they could never dare it or dream it

1252
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: for themselves. Yeah, and their own limitation. It's humans are

1253
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: so fascinating, I know.

1254
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: And it's even hard to hear you say that because

1255
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, is that me? Like you kind of

1256
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: are like, oh, I don't, I don't, I don't ye,

1257
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm that light. But it's like what you're saying is

1258
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: true and that it's like I want to be humble

1259
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: and not not not think that about myself, but you

1260
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: kind of it's hard to hear sometimes. Yeah, you know

1261
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: it is you. Yeah, it's me too.

1262
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's there are women, there are men.

1263
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: There are beans like this, and it is a thing

1264
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 2: that's hard to talk about and you don't even know

1265
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: how or who to talk about it too, But it's

1266
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: it is a dynamic that's experienced and I think, I

1267
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: mean for so many of us, and I'll be I'll

1268
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: be really excited when societally, collectively we actually begin having

1269
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: this conversation for real.

1270
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 3: But what workplace.

1271
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: Trauma actually is what friend trauma is?

1272
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: Right, We've been we've been checking off the list, we've

1273
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: been experiencing, you know, diving deep on all different facets

1274
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: of trauma, and collectively we've been focused on familial trauma,

1275
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, for especially the last five years. But when

1276
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: we get into the nuanced space of that and how

1277
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: some people's darkness and more insidious nature shows up and

1278
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: is so hidden and concealed in environments like that, how

1279
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: people cause real damage and harm to other people with

1280
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: a smile on their face and a well positioned email,

1281
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: you know. Like it's just like, these are real things

1282
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: that we deal with, and they are hard, and they

1283
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: are disappointing, and sometimes it takes real healing time you

1284
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: have to pull away and heal. But we can do it,

1285
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: and everyone else you know, the perpetrators usually don't advance.

1286
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: And I think now it's been kind of cool at

1287
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: this age, since I've turned forty to look back and

1288
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: you can really have so much historical evidence for things

1289
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: that your gut and spirit might have felt a long

1290
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: time ago, where you're like, that's not the right choice

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Speaker 2: or not there. You know it's not going to end

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Speaker 2: up well, you know, for them behaving that way or back.

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Speaker 1: And now I've seen it. It's true.

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Speaker 2: Nobody, you know, nobody that was that I would see

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Speaker 2: being underhanded or harmful or cruel to other people in

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Speaker 2: the workplace on the career rise. Not a single one

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Speaker 2: of them is anywhere i'd want to be right exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that's funny how that works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can all trust it. And I want

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Speaker 2: people to know that you can trust that even sometimes

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Speaker 2: you will have to endure unfairness. We don't know the

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Speaker 2: length of time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and sometimes you see the people that are

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Speaker 1: doing harm get ahead. Yeah, I see that too, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how did that happen? And I'm like, but

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Speaker 1: it's not going to at the very end of the day,

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Speaker 1: And not that you wish that.

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Speaker 2: In the long game, it really doesn't or there is

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Speaker 2: an outward success and inward failure, you know, and that

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Speaker 2: that's always on their mind more. You know, Well, God,

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Speaker 2: we could talk for days. I just ran into an

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Speaker 2: old Boston and I was like, oh, so.

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Speaker 1: Many thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Deeply, Well, I want to dive in and really talk

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Speaker 2: about hoops, hopes and dreams. So that's your newest project.

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Speaker 2: It premiered at Sundance this year. It has already received

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: like incredible recognition. This story is so fascinating. When I

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Speaker 2: saw this movie, I had no idea what to expect,

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01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: and I was like blown away by the story that's

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Speaker 2: being told in this film and also like the natural

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Speaker 2: sense it made that would never have occurred to me prior.

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Speaker 2: But can you please share a little bit about what

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Speaker 2: this very unique film is about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's funny because as we're talking about, well

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: not funny, but you know the connection between grief and feelings.

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Speaker 1: And so I'll just tell you how I got involved

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Speaker 1: in the project first, because it is you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a hard situation, but it turned into this you know,

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Speaker 1: beautiful outcome. But I'm not sure if you know Michael

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Speaker 1: lat or have heard about Michael Latt, but He's someone

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Speaker 1: who's been a champion, purpose driven leader. He had an

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Speaker 1: organization called Lead with Love. A lot of people in

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Speaker 1: LA and just nationally knew him and worked with Abra

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: Duffernay in Common and Ryan Coogler and all these amazing folks.

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Speaker 1: And so he's just very aligned with who I am

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Speaker 1: as a person. And so I remember over the years

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Speaker 1: people saying, there's this white guy that does what you do,

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Speaker 1: but in film, they're like, do you know him? He's

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: he's like the white kid. But people always would describe

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Speaker 1: him as that, like he's you know, people used the

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01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: word ally, but he was bigger than that. And so

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Speaker 1: over the years I had never met him. And then

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Speaker 1: eventually I got a phone call of an introduction. They

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: said you need to know Michael. So I say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've heard about you. I keep getting compared

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Speaker 1: to you or people keep saying, you know, you need

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01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: to talk to Michael. And so I was coming to LA.

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Speaker 1: We had dinner, and I get to dinner and he

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Speaker 1: has a book and the book was called True Love.

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Speaker 1: And I was super confused. I was like, why are

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01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: you giving me a book called True Love? I've talked

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01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: to you like three times on the phone. I just

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: was so confused and I knew, like no shade, but

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01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I knew he like black people. I was like,

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: is he trying to holler? Like I don't know what

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01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: was going on?

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And actually, funny enough, last night we had an event

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: and people were saying the first time they met him,

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Speaker 1: they thought they were going on a date. And that's

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: the same experience I had. I was like, is this

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: man taking me on a date? Long story short. While

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Speaker 1: we're sitting there, he says, I'm working on this film

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01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: and it's about Martin Luther King Junior and President Obama

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Speaker 1: in the game of basketball. And you're the only person

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Speaker 1: in the world that's ever done all of those shops.

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Speaker 1: You're the only person who has worked for President Obama

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: who has done the social impact work with the NBA.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm the only one. And so that is

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Speaker 1: first of all, that's just like, you know, to have

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Speaker 1: someone just outwardly say it to you to be seen

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Speaker 1: and that's what he's known for. He's like, you know,

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01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: we've done the research, like it's literally you and he's right,

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Speaker 1: And so just holding space for myself for that, I

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, you know, that's pretty cool. And he said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have this project and I'm thinking maybe

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01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: he's going to ask for my opinion, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: I would love to have you join the team, not

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: just as a person to give feedback, but like as

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Speaker 1: a producer. And I was like, oh, well, funny enough.

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Speaker 1: That has always been something on my list of goals.

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: I've produced podcasts, I've produced you know, commercials for the

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Speaker 1: Obama campaign, Jay Z and others. But I knew there

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Speaker 1: was something in me that said I want to tell

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Speaker 1: stories in a bigger way. So I said, this is

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Speaker 1: a personal goal of mine. So you know, I know

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Speaker 1: it's a documentary. As folks know who are in the industry,

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: documentaries don't really make money. So it wasn't coming from

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Speaker 1: the intention of that. It was coming from the intention

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Speaker 1: that I knew that God was giving me an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to do something that I didn't have to chase and fight.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I mentioned going through this phase of

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Speaker 1: my life where I just want to be in this

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Speaker 1: space of receiving, I was able to receive how he

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01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: spoke of me. I was able to receive the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to be involved in something that I didn't even know

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: if it was going to be a job or create

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01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: financial game for myself, but I knew that it was

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Speaker 1: something that was a goal of mine that I knew

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Speaker 1: that God was placing me in a position to do.

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Speaker 1: And so I met Glencino, who was a director, and

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Speaker 1: Jesse Williams, who's a producer, and so you know, immediately

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Speaker 1: we are so aligned in who we are as people. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Michael was tragically murdered a few days after Thanksgiving by

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01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: a deranged woman, and he never saw He never got

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01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: to sound dance, and so I'm sorry. It was the

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Speaker 1: most terrific thing to have someone who leads with so

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01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: much love, who brought me into a project, and to

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Speaker 1: lose him. He had gone on vacation, you know, with

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Speaker 1: his fiance, and I was talking to him like the

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Speaker 1: day before, and you know, he's just the most amazing person,

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Speaker 1: and so he didn't join a meeting, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you're like talking shit to somebody like how are you

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: not joining the meeting? Like where are you? So I

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01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: ended up calling him and his mother answered the phone

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Speaker 1: and was like he had been murdered. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So the strength of a mother, his mother is just

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Speaker 1: the strongest. She's just so amazing, and so all of

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: that happened, you know, so quickly, and of course naturally

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Speaker 1: we're like, we can't do this film like this was November.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we can't, we can't like continue, you know,

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Speaker 1: and if it wasn't for Glenncino, the director, and other

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Speaker 1: folks on the team in Michael's family, they're like, this

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Speaker 1: would have been his first and last film. We have to, like,

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Speaker 1: we have to do this right. And so I wanted

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Speaker 1: to share that because I think it's you know, when

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Speaker 1: we talk about grief and holding space and doing all

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Speaker 1: these different things we had to deal with and then

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Speaker 1: still find the way, still have their will to yeah,

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Speaker 1: to move it forward, and so there's it's so much

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01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: deeper than even what it looks like on the surface.

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Speaker 1: But the story itself is the untold story of doctor

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Speaker 1: King playing basketball to build community. And then we tell

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Speaker 1: some untold stories around President Obama that people don't know.

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Speaker 1: And when you think about it, you know, the time

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Speaker 1: that we're in now with education and textbooks and people

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: erasing our history, this is actually history no one knew.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: We have doctor Bernice King, his daughter who's an ep

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01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: on the film, and her first response was, thank you

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: so much for showing the side of my father. Ah.

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: And so you know, like there's so to be able

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Speaker 1: to show that Doctor King did not go into Selmon's

1444
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: air by follow me at March. No, that's not how

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: it works. He sent Ambassador Andrew Young and his crew

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01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: and said, go build community, go to the basketball court,

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: meet people where they are. And so for us to

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Speaker 1: be able to tell a story that is so aligned

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Speaker 1: with where we are today, go meet people where they are. Like,

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Speaker 1: everybody has different views and perspectives, but if you look

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01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: at yourselves as part of a team, then you're going

1452
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: to hopefully make the best choices that are for the

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 1: best interests of the team. And so that's what doctor

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Speaker 1: King did, That's what Obama did. And so we have

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01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: Jamel Hill narrating. We have Jerry West's final interview before

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: he passed away, talking about what it's like to only

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: be around black people for the first time as a

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,440
Speaker 1: basketball player and the empathy he developed seeing the injustices

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01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: that were happening with his teammates. And so we're able

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01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: to tell this story that you know, we premiered at

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01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: Sun Dance and you know, are able to you know,

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Speaker 1: we just got a special recognition at the Hampton's Film Festival.

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: We won Cleveland Film Festival. But the most exciting, unexpected

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01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: thing was that Walt Disney, you know, Anscape, which is

1465
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: the Blackland Media Company part of Walt Disney. They bought

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: the film and you know, Jason Adou and his team

1467
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: not just saw the potential and what it could do

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01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: for the country, but they saw the potential in us

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: as filmmakers. And so now I'm able to proudly say

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Speaker 1: I'm a producer, I'm a movie producer, and that amazing

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: working relationship with Glenn and Jesse and others. I'm now

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Speaker 1: a partner in Visibility Media. So we tell stories and

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01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: have other stories and the works that are going to

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01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: break barriers and talk about race and talk about women

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01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: and you know, again just uncover the things that we

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: just don't know, that we need to know. And it's

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01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: a scary time. It's a scary time to be talking

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: about these things. But we're ten toes down knowing that

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: this is our mission to bring stories to life. And

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: it's family friendly, so like kids can watch it and

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01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: it's premiering January nineteenth, on Hulu and Hulu and Disney Plus,

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01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: so we're like really on TV. But everything about it

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01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: has been the most beautiful experience. But it's also been

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01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: a lesson to me and that you know, to say

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: yes when opportunities come, and that my life's work has

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: culminated in something that was on my vision board. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow's exciting.

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01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 2: It's so exciting, and it's just everything that you're sharing.

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01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful roadmap to purpose, you know. And

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01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: I think something so cool is like, as we've moved

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01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: through this conversation, being able to touch on just all

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01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: the layers of a purpose driven life. Also the fact that,

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01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: like you're going to be doing you could be doing

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01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 2: so many different things that you think make no sense together,

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: and you could be grappling with identity inside and being

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01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: like but I'm this, but I'm also this, but I

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01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: want to be this, and but how.

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Speaker 3: Does it all make sense?

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 2: And then it's like literally and then this phone call

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Speaker 2: comes and it's.

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01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 3: Like, hey, I need exactly you.

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01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: You're the only one because.

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,879
Speaker 2: You've been this, this, this.

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01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: None of those things make sense, but that's what this

1505
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 3: is about.

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: Like it's just like.

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 3: God is such a master of creation, like.

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01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: It is just so.

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 2: Powerful and also fun. I hope everyone's really hearing the

1510
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: fun in this, like how much fun can also be present,

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01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, and how you can even release the stress

1512
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: of thinking that you don't make sense right and just saying, God,

1513
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 2: show me how it all makes sense.

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01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: Oh girl, when I tell you the level of inner

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: piece I feel, I've never felt this sense of I'm

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01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: so regulated, Like even in all the conversation we just

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: had and all the struggles, I feel like I'm exactly

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01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: where I need to be. Yeah, and that feeling right there.

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01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: You can't there's no price tag you can put on that.

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: And the people that I'm working with I love and

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01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: the way that I'm seen, and just in general just

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01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: being free. You talk about freedom, I feel so free.

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01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: I feel like I can do whatever I want to do.

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: Coakana by tell me shit, and it's amazing, you know,

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: Like I really I feel like I'm like literally, I'm like,

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm a filmmaker, like it is. It is so cool.

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: And then I don't know what's next, right because to

1528
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 1: your point, all the connectivities and the pathways and it's

1529
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: all it doesn't have to make sense in the moment

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01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: for anyone. Just know that the way that God is

1531
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: looking at how you're living your life, He's going to

1532
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: work it out. He's going to give you the pavers

1533
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: and then you just have to step on him and

1534
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: then take the next step and take the next step.

1535
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like in this journey, like I said yes,

1536
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, this is I've never done

1537
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: this in this way, but I trust the people I'm

1538
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: working with and like and teach me something. You know,

1539
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: when I'm sure you feel this way too, when you're

1540
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and when you're leading so many people, I

1541
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: want to be I don't want to be the smartest

1542
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: person in the room. Yeah, I want to learn. I

1543
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: want to please. Yes, I'm like please, like, so I'm

1544
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: learning so much and that has been what's your point

1545
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: about having fun? Like this is fun because I you know,

1546
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: I know so much about the things where I'm an expert,

1547
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: but like this area has been so much fun to

1548
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: unpack and uncover and the people I'm meeting has been

1549
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: amazing and I love it.

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 3: Ah.

1551
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: I am just like girl, I'm on the edge.

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,560
Speaker 3: Must seat can't be all the things.

1553
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: And the movie again, I just can't overstate it's such

1554
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: a special movie.

1555
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 3: Everybody has to watch it.

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 2: It was so fun to watch and also really inspiring because,

1557
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 2: like to the way you were describing it, this this

1558
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: really creative understanding of like how to cultivate like community,

1559
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, and and in such non traditional ways you know,

1560
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: And it all eventually makes sense because it feeds the

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01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: greater work of you know, what we need from everyone

1562
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 2: in the moments that we need it.

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01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just so I'll say this.

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01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 2: This is this is my last question before I introduce,

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01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: before I invite you to do some soul work with

1566
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: the audience. As you move into this new season of

1567
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: your life and your work, what is feeling most alive

1568
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 2: in you right now?

1569
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: I think this idea that I'm a creative because I

1570
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I've been again a community builder

1571
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: for so long and it's been about bringing people together.

1572
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: This season of being a producer and seeing what it's

1573
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: like to storytell has unlocked a creativity in me that

1574
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: isn't the title or the label I would have given

1575
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: myself before. Like I knew that I was able to

1576
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: see things and be a strategist and bring things to life,

1577
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I want to paint. I know that

1578
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: sounds like random, Like now I want out it all,

1579
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I want to paint. I want

1580
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: to go and you know, be in spaces where I'm

1581
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: around other creatives, and I feel like there's something in

1582
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: me that's going to come out again. I don't know

1583
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: what it is, yeah, but I feel like there's something

1584
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: that is has been sparked in me that's going to

1585
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: really surprise myself. And so that may makes me feel

1586
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: really really alive. And the other thing I would say is,

1587
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: and I know we talk about this as it relates

1588
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: to bringing people together, like the way I look at

1589
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: retreating and you have a whole entire section in your

1590
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: book that I just re listened to around retreats, and like,

1591
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: I feel like that makes me feel alive. This idea

1592
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: to create space for myself and others where where we

1593
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: can just be and just the idea of being able

1594
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: to be more aligned with that. I was talking to

1595
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: my girlfriend the other day and we were talking about

1596
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: travel and like, I've been traveling so much for work,

1597
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: I haven't been traveling for self lately, and so just

1598
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: this idea of how I can do more of that,

1599
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: it gets me excited, like I haven't done it yet,

1600
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I'm feeling alive by the idea of

1601
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: creativity and even Amani does these like creative sabbaticals. I'm

1602
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: intrigued by that. And so the aliveness in me is

1603
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: a curiosity, like I'm really really curious around this stage

1604
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, ah, you had a special place

1605
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: to be in Oh yeah, that is so beautiful. Thank you.

1606
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: I invite you now to share some soul work. So

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01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: this is our integration piece after everything we've kind of

1608
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: listened to. We've been moving through so many themes and

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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 2: this episode around purpose and service and community and the

1610
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 2: peaks and the valleys. If there is a practice of

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01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: some sort soul work that everyone can take with them

1612
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 2: and maybe work on after they finished this episode or

1613
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 2: in the coming days. It can be a practice, it

1614
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: can be a quote, it can be a prompt, but

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: just something to work with.

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01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was sharing with you earlier, but around

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01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: my birthday practices. You know, I look at my birthday

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: as my renewal. You know, I think about the fact

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: that God brought me into the world on this you know,

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: October twenty ninth, and that you know, the fact that

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: he's allowed me to live another year is I mean,

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01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: I have so much gratitude for that. So I think

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01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: a practice something that I'm doing actively right now is

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01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: this idea to look back at the past year and

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01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: what are the things that you wanted to accomplish that

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: you didn't not from a space judgment, but from a

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: space of just understanding why, And then do those things

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: still matter to you? And they may not right and

1629
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: if they don't, then you can leave them by by

1630
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: the wayside and no longer think about them and have

1631
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: them on your mind space. Is something that you didn't do?

1632
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: And the second piece of that is if there's a

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01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: why to it and if there's a solution to that why.

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01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: And I know for myself, I was just talking about

1635
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: retreat so it made me think of that, like I

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01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: haven't done one yet, but or one of the way

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01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: that I want to. And I think it's because this

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01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: idea of having to plan an event by myself that

1639
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: I can enjoy seems overwhelming, but I still want to

1640
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: do it, so like that's a why that I can

1641
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: can combat. The other thing I would say is you know,

1642
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: what do you want to learn? I know we are

1643
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: always striving to be students of things, and sometimes that

1644
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: can be overwhelming, but you know, just this idea of

1645
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: this thought process of what do I want to learn

1646
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: this year? And for me, it's something as simple as swimming.

1647
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: I know it sounds random, but I thought black people

1648
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: couldn't swim and going to we were going to keep

1649
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: along that that that wrong, you know, title or tag

1650
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: that we gave ourselves. And so I've been joking with

1651
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: my friends like everybody learned how to swim and didn't

1652
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: tell me that that was like the thing you're supposed

1653
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: to do. So but you know, that's just my example. Yeah, yeah,

1654
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: it is my example of that's something that I want

1655
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: to learn. It's not about being a student in something

1656
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: more deep or learning how to be in, you know,

1657
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: a class. It's something that's going to make me feel

1658
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: more free because I'm connected to water. It's not that

1659
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: I need to save myself if I'm in the ocean.

1660
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,839
Speaker 1: It's actually not that deep. It's because I feel free

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01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: connected to water, and I want to be able to

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01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: have that practice more deeply. In order to do that,

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01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: I need to learn how to swim. And it's something

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: that I see Denny's BOSSI actually on Instagram, I've been

1665
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: following her journey of learning how to swim, and it's

1666
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: since been really inspiring. And so, you know, I feel

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: like those or two of the things like what do

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01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: you what have you not done in the past year

1669
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: that maybe you want to leave behind or pick back up?

1670
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: And what do you want to learn? Oh? I love that.

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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: That's a really great practice. I love that so much.

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01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: Alexis feaster Ter, Thank you so much for joining usurs.

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01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: I have the best time. Thank for sharing all your lists.

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01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I love you.

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01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 2: I love you.

1676
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: Everyone goes see this movie.

1677
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: It is so inspiring and good and creative and just

1678
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: really interesting. Got my wheels turning. As always, thank you

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01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:16,440
Speaker 2: so much for listening.

1680
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 3: To this show.

1681
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: Please rate and review, Share this episode with a friend

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Speaker 2: who needs to hear this today, and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: Now I must day.

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