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Speaker 1: everyone in the story about when you were hunting that

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Speaker 1: buck and you had them all, you know, watching them

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Speaker 1: all those years. This deer right here, I don't know, no,

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Speaker 1: So I was hunting this deer that I called Moose,

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Speaker 1: and I had pictures of him from the time. It

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Speaker 1: was a year and a half old. And the only

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Speaker 1: reason I knew, you know, a year and a half

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Speaker 1: I think because we're not like a hardcore, super hardcore

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Speaker 1: white tail podcast that when we say I've been hunted

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Speaker 1: deer that I called moose, Okay, I'll get there, there

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Speaker 1: you go, you will thank you. Yeah. Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: understand what origin and I don't even know the damn

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Speaker 1: I don't know this part of the story, but I

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Speaker 1: know what, It's so easy you're gonna ask me. It's

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Speaker 1: so easy to Seth will tell you why the deer

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Speaker 1: it probably had palmated andlers. Stevennel and nailed it. Seth

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Speaker 1: nail gave you a layup dudels. Remind you of a moose? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: okay out incess defense. Incess defense. Sam Longern has a

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Speaker 1: have antlers. True, but what isn't the characteristic of a moose?

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Speaker 1: That is sometimes an attribute to any deer hunter that

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Speaker 1: fixated on antlers. He fetishizes. He's an antler fetishizer. So

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Speaker 1: this deer, basically I got him. I'm still talking about this.

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Speaker 1: we called this old buckle unicorn. I'd say, let me

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Speaker 1: guess we called this buckle rabbit ears. I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: let me guess. Ears look like a rabbit. No, antlers

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Speaker 1: look like a rabbit's ears. Anyway, So their herds pawn shop.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the way. That's good, you nailed that's Steve Palmatian.

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Speaker 1: But what was unique about this deer? So when he

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Speaker 1: Smith would be distinguishable by the body size, by the

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Speaker 1: Because I'm like, because Rick doesn't know and so he

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Speaker 1: know that that sounds like another story. Well, I, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to talk about scrapple. He got talking about

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Speaker 1: Where did this deer live there? You see what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: And that year I saw the deer from the stand

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there, Steven, No, I I've given up. You

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Speaker 1: the whole year. From the stand, I find his shed horns.

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Speaker 1: I get a picture in summer velvet. I've got on

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Speaker 1: that year. I mean, like, why is this part directed

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Speaker 1: to Rick? Just he's engaged? Man, I my body still

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Speaker 1: stings from the cold hunting that deer. And I'm serious,

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Speaker 1: else shot it with us. Mike Mike Lindon moved went

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Speaker 1: over to uh Fondolac, Wisconsin to spear sturgeon on the

424
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: Great Lake Winnebago. And should I explain what that's all about?

425
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: You got two minutes, right, You put me way too

426
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: far back into history to get it this done in

427
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: two minutes. Ah. But yeah, there's this giant prehistoric old

428
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: fish called Lake surgeon that living like Winnebago and there's

429
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: a spearing season for him. One secon one SECONDE see,

430
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: I want people to know that this is a true

431
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: crime story. It is this I just wanted I didn't

432
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: I didn't see it up. Well, it could be. It

433
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: could be its home podcast. It's a true crime story.

434
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: We could if we were like most podcast companies, we

435
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: were turned it into this some eight episode long who

436
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: done it with cliffhangers. But here you get the you

437
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: get the dope quick, yeah, yeah, somewhere between minutes to

438
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: add a little bit to the front end of it,

439
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: which Yanni denies, like he's clean, but like he is

440
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: sort of involved separation. Oh if he gets rolled up

441
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: in this and and all of sudden some people barge

442
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: in this door, cuff him and stuff him. Not surprised.

443
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Another weird thing is is Chester's hometown. I was gonna say,

444
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: I lift your shirt up. I guarantee he's wearing a wire. Yeah,

445
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: Jester might be a little closely related to this story

446
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: than I am. Jes are so slight. His wires is

447
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: that big headsets like, trust me, they'll never know. Right

448
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: here right now, Uh, sturgis spearing you. Uh you have

449
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: a fish shack and ice shack. It's very similar to

450
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: like the shacks you see you guys just doing fishing through,

451
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: except you cut like a six by four foot hole

452
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: and uh put the shack over. And these shacks are

453
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: purpose made for uh spearing sturgeon. You got a big

454
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: old giant spear, I don't know, the sucker waves, probably

455
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. It's got like well, they're heavy spears like that,

456
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: nothing like a pike spear. No, you barely have to

457
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: really chuck them kind of push them. You can just

458
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: about drop them on and it'll it'll get into the

459
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: like pour molten lead in the handle that I don't know. No,

460
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I think it's just a big steal. Any who. So

461
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: we went and did it, and uh we actually did

462
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: it with some of Chester's extended family. His cousin, right

463
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: cousin cousin Jake helped us out, and um, he's he's

464
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: super into it. And out of our group there were

465
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: two sturgeon spirit I believe in three days, and Jake

466
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: and I actually each got to throw at a at

467
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: a at a fish but didn't get one, which in

468
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: the sturgeons about like our squirrel hunt. In the sturgeon spearing,

469
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: uh are just fearing World two is really good. People

470
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: go years without speared. Is sturgeon exactly? Um? Yeah, I

471
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: was happy just to see one. So uh, the surgeon

472
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: have uh row in them if they're a female of

473
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: the right age class, and this rope can be turned

474
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: into caviar caviar eggs, I wouldn't have known what row was.

475
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean I do because I watched Yeah, yeah, fish eggs.

476
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: It can be turned into caviare. Uh, caviar is very expensive.

477
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: That's the one piece of information that I forgot to

478
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: check in on is exactly how expensive it is. That

479
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: do me a favor, just yes, see see what general

480
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: like Lake Lake surgeon caviare could go for. I don't

481
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: he might not be. I don't know. You probably came

482
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: and buy it because it's because there's no there's no

483
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: there's no actual market. Why you're probably under arrest. I

484
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: will be shortly. Well. The farms stuff, which is not

485
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: the real deal, can go for hunterbucks for eight ounces

486
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: American sturgeon cavar, So give a good ball apart. That's

487
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: that's that's farms, the wild stuff. I'm sure there's a

488
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: previous stuff that doesn't sound expensive. I thought it would

489
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: be that's a half a pound the river blueg gold

490
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Sturch and cavre. I don't know how one kilogram for

491
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars. I don't know what. Let's just say

492
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: that to make it more interesting in the story. Yeah,

493
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: real expensive, real expense. When you start talking about stuff

494
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: in kilo's yeah, you know you're talking about expensive stuff.

495
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Um so a year later, well, let me back up

496
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. The reason that I'm like more uh

497
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: raveled up or wrapped up in this a little bit

498
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: is because us for this fur hat ice Fishing Tour

499
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: episode that we did, we interviewed a fellow by the

500
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: name of Ryan Kernis, who is known at in Wisconsin

501
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: as the sturgeon General. He's the lead uh sturgeon biologist.

502
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: That kind of ran like all the management of that

503
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: whole system, and that system is uh very healthy. It's

504
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: like it's them. It's the like the standard by which

505
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: all all others are are are trying to meet. And

506
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: not just in the country, but the world over. People

507
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: would like to have a surgeon fishery like they had

508
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: like a hundred years ago. They're nearly extirpated all over

509
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: the world and now here you have a place where

510
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: it's so good that you can, you know, have a

511
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: surgeon spearing season. Ah. He was very Ryan was very

512
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: helpful in helping us produce the episode, got us a

513
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: bunch of other interviews with great people. Um. He himself

514
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: gave us a good interview. Um. In general, we had

515
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: had good luck working with him. Well year later, right

516
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: before Surgeon season this year, it turns out that Ryan

517
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: was charged has been charged with basically dealing in bartering

518
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: of surgeon eggs. Yeah, so there's we don't know the

519
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: whole story yet, I'm guessing because they're probably withholding some

520
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: evidence as this thing kind of works its way through,

521
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: So we don't know exactly what they're gonna say. But

522
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: what he's actually being charged with is uh more like

523
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: an obstruction because he supposedly lied a little bit about

524
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: what he was doing with the eggs or what or

525
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: how some of the people that were working underneath him

526
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: were in quotes, funneling the eggs from these check stations.

527
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: So when you kill a surgeon, you bring it into

528
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: a check station. Uh, it's mandatory, and there's biologists there

529
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: that takes samples, they cut them open, they tell you know,

530
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: male female, how old the fish is, um all this stuff,

531
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: and that they're just collecting data. Well, supposedly there's a

532
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: couple of different sort of mechanisms that have been in

533
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: place for eggs to be sort of taken from there

534
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: in a casual way and then gone to processors. There

535
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: was supposedly like a cooler with a processor's name on it.

536
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: When people and people and biologists would say, hey, if

537
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: you don't want the eggs, you're not planing on do

538
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: anything that takes the surgeon could keep the eggs, it's

539
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: not it's not why, well can you keep them all? Well?

540
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: Because I mean some people just maybe don't like salty

541
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: fish eggs. Yeah don't. I know they don't have a

542
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: paddlefish that's a that's a valuable cavia and just friends

543
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: of mine that go snag paddlefish. A lot of the

544
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: people are like aware that people do, but there I

545
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: don't like caviar. I don't know, they don't they don't

546
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: want they want the steaks off the fish and they

547
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: don't care. So um yeah, anyways, he so Ryan's been

548
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: charged with it. Alongside there's also there's also three again

549
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: in quotations here caviar processors that have been charged for

550
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: bartering services for caviar. So the way it works, and

551
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: we've gone over this a lot, is that you could

552
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: offer to clean someone's caviar for him for free, give

553
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: them all the caviar or or or the eggs now

554
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: turned into caviar back to them. They could then, if

555
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: they want you, because they're your bodies or whatever, gift

556
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: you as much of that caviar as they wanted, or

557
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: they you could pay the processor to have your uh

558
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: road turned into caviar. But what you can't do is say,

559
00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: let's trade your services of cleaning for my process caviare.

560
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: At that point, you're bartering in the eggs. So uh.

561
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: We've talked about this bartering thing a fair bit. And

562
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories about bartering is a body

563
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: of mine was fishing. He was shrimping. This is in

564
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Washington State. He's shrimping and he's at the boat launch

565
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: and there's a guy coming in from fishing salmon okay,

566
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: and they are like, oh, you got a bunch shrimp tails, Oh,

567
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: you got a bunch of salmon, and just very casually

568
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: this story, if he emerges that they will do a

569
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: swap some shrimp tails for salmon flay. And there was

570
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: an undercover warden on that dock that did citations. But

571
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: fish for shrimp is not because they were bartering. He

572
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: could have said, like because one was given more than

573
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: the other, because it was four, because it's can't trade fish.

574
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: There was a formal. But what you can do is

575
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: I could go to your house. I can go to

576
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: your house and I could be like, Clay, I just

577
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: got back from my fish. Act man, Uh, I love

578
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: to have here's some halibut. And you could you could say, like,

579
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: I just gotta you know, I just put the uh,

580
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: pulled a bunch of tomatoes. Take some tomatoes back. I

581
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: know you love tomatoes. That's fine as long as we said, well,

582
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, I would give you some of my halibit,

583
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: but what's in it for me? And you say, well,

584
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: I happen to have some some home grown tomatoes, and

585
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: I say, oh, that sounds like a deal. So it's

586
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: just it's bartering. Okay, that makes sense. I mean, it's

587
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: just semantics, though, is it not. It's the quid pro

588
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: que of trading things. This for that, and all Americans

589
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: all the world essentially like if we went I mean,

590
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: if we went turkey hunting and I killed a bear

591
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: and you killed a turkey, and I was like, hey,

592
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: you take some bear meat home, and you were like,

593
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: well take take a turkey breast. That's fine. Yeah, but

594
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: if you said if I'll trade you, we had not.

595
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: I want to point this out now too, And we

596
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: point this out for but I want to keep because

597
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: we keep getting emails about it. To keep talking about it.

598
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: I went to are you got a good place hold

599
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: around this sturgeon story? Me? Yeah. I went to uh

600
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: an attorney that represented Wilming fishing game for many years,

601
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: and and and he said, we have only he could

602
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: remember he could recall no instance of the bartering and

603
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: trading prosecution outside of someone like really asking for it

604
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: and it being a broader package of violations. That's the

605
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: that's the situations when he could it's a bad guy

606
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: that they're trying to just stick it. Someone was just like,

607
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: because I mean, how else would you I guess I

608
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: also to come up except for the body of mine,

609
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: who were an undercover guy just hanging out of the docks.

610
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Scene who's coming and going witnesses a formal offer of exchange.

611
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, like a pro like a provisional I'll do this,

612
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: you do this. Wow, So is that what we're talking

613
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: about here? I mean, that's what we think happened. Now

614
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: if this guy lied, Well, so there's two, there's two separate.

615
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: So there's the Ryan Canics thing going on, right where again,

616
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't think we know exactly all the evidence, right nobody,

617
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: you can't reach HNA talk to him. But what he's

618
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: been charged with is that there that he like lied

619
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: about what was going on. And then he also has

620
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: wiped his DNR issued telephone. That's where it got weird

621
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: as they interviewed him, right, and then he waved this phone. Yeah, okay,

622
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: So then these other there's I think there's three other

623
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: people not knowingly the other folks have been charged in

624
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: the Fondolack area for basically you know, well, I think

625
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: there's two that were charged with with processing the eggs

626
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: and then trading their services for finished caviar. And then

627
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: another fellow was charged for somehow get for basically serving

628
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 1: the caviar in a restaurant. So the thread goes deep.

629
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Just like when I first heard of the story, I

630
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: heard that he was channel it to the Rooskis, which

631
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was actually connected, so that

632
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: that that that titilated me. Yeah, and I've heard some

633
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: other things that we hadn't reported on, sort of like

634
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: stories that people have heard, and I don't think I

635
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: want to bring them up because it's just like they are.

636
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: I have just I want to defend it. I heard

637
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: that I have read or see nothing that suggests anything

638
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: to do with any roost. It sounds good, though, but

639
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: I think I think it's worth noting that the real

640
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: like there might be people listening that would understand that

641
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: one of the pillars of the North American Mile of

642
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: Wildlife Conservation is non commercial use of wildlife. That's just

643
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: real simple. Yeah, but it just gets complicate, like we

644
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: can't sell like I can kill it deer and sell it,

645
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: but you can you can sell furs, you can sell

646
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: bear oil as a hairdressing. You cannot sell it as

647
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: a food. That's another podcast. You can sell beaver meat,

648
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: you can sell like there's it's generally generally generally yes,

649
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: but fur bears and there's all these other design but

650
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: generally yes, generally crect. So that's that's why you can't

651
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: just take a big surgeon filets eggs and sell its

652
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: eggs or trade it. So that that's the that's the crime. Yes, yeah,

653
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: and that's what we're Yeah. So a couple of these

654
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: processors have been previously warned that the way that they

655
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: were doing it was illegal. Yeah, that titilates me, and

656
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: a sort of kept on, you know and doing their program.

657
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Um y'all need to know. Yeah, needs like a subject

658
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: matter expert listening over here here, this is without notes.

659
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: How much of this did you steal from Durkin? I mean,

660
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know I had. It's all the same information,

661
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, I certainly to prepare for this, I read

662
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: his article. Did you do Did you do any original

663
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: research Johnny? Outside of me being there a year ago?

664
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit. Yeah, I made I made one

665
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: phone call, but it was more just to see how

666
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: the sturgeon was going, the sturgeon fishing was going this year,

667
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: and we just happened to talk about this a little bit. Yeah,

668
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: which I'll tell you right now. It's what it is,

669
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: and which is why it makes it like a controversial,

670
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: contentious kind of a deal right now, Because as easy

671
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: as it is for all of us to do what

672
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: we all just said, say, hey take some tomatoes. Oh yeah, great, awesome,

673
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: I brought you some halibit. Uh. It's it's very close

674
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: to being illegal, right, and and you can't trade these

675
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: things right and so um. I don't want to say

676
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: they're making an example out of it because it's illegal

677
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: and you can't do it right the laws of law.

678
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: But that's the way these things work, though, is that

679
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: culture begins to establish itself and then at some point

680
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: they go enough is enough, and they pick somebody and

681
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: they nail them. I have had two people in two

682
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: different states right to me with proposals that they were

683
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: doing on their own nonprofity where they were looking to

684
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: set up wild game exchanges through a social community, a

685
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: social network community of participants. Was like, dude, you can't, like,

686
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: you cannot do that. They're like, I have so much elk,

687
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: I need some one of them. The guy one of

688
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: the guy with in the in the town we live in, Yeah,

689
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: wild game exchange. Yeah. So the local uh, I think

690
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: feeling a lot of people are like, oh, come on,

691
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: why you gotta do this to these folks and you know,

692
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: put them through the ringer. You know so much good

693
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: has been done by you know, these people for the surgeon,

694
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: because all these people that are involved in this have

695
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: also been very um active in sturgeon preservation preservation restoration

696
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: for a long long time. And uh, they feel that

697
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: it's like making a big deal out of a yeare

698
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: you're going to talk about the older couple who you

699
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: know some stuff? Well, yeah, that's why I just decided

700
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: to like to limit my I had to cut it

701
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: off at some point, otherwise it's going I'm not trying

702
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: to tell that part. Yeah, just because I don't know,

703
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: I just didn't seem like it. We needed to know

704
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: who exactly these people are. You know, we're talking about

705
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: who's you know what the problem is? Because that was

706
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: and really quick just having grown up in that area.

707
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: If you know, Wisconsin Nites very great. A lot of

708
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: them are just great, very great people with no ill intentions.

709
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: You find that not to be true in the other

710
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: four nine states. No, but it would be like you

711
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: could go over there right now and you probably run

712
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: into somebody on the street and they'd be like, hey,

713
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: can you come over here and get the leaves out

714
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: of my gutter? And my mom will trade you for

715
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: a couple of rhubarb pies, you know, like and tell

716
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: tell your wild game. No, but I'm just saying like,

717
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: it's just like always these little um culture of Barterine.

718
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Just a little crime break, but not not even not

719
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: even like it's a community. They don't know they're doing it.

720
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: They don't know them patchwork held together by the Commission

721
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: of Small Crimes. Yes, it's just people being nice doing

722
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: crimes that they don't know that they're doing. Yeah, and

723
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I welcome to rural America. Like, yeah, So she was

724
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: having a problem with the old man, and I'm a

725
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: good neighbor, so I shot him. Just that's just the

726
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: community we live in. That would be knowing here's a pie.

727
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I'm with Chester, I'm with you.

728
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: It's like I'm just teasing you. I mean, the law

729
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: is the law at the end of the day. So

730
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: that's that's what it comes down to. But people trying

731
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: to be good people is what I think a lot

732
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: of this, maybe not on Ryan's side, but on some

733
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: of the other folks side. I think that that could

734
00:44:46,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: have been the case. I'm gonna editorialize here in moment,

735
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: and I don't know anything beyond what Yanni just told me.

736
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm like these people, but to editorialize a little bit segment, Yeah,

737
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: this is this the opinion segment. You and he gave

738
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: the facts, I'll give the opinion. And I don't even

739
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: really know. I could see it's easy for me to

740
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: envision if I like lived here and understood this all.

741
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to envision coming to that the

742
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: conclusion of uh really really in terms of the the

743
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: extent of the press coverage even and we're we're adding

744
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: to the problem right now that it it's like unless

745
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: if the story was that people were going out out

746
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: of season, okay, or like or or um fabricating permits

747
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: or committing wire fraud. To let me slip something in here,

748
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: is that like if can eggs all of a sudden

749
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: is caught with like an extra fift k that no

750
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: one knows where it came from. Yeah, and he's got

751
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: like three dead surgeon in his trunk. Honestly, you know something.

752
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: But you could just picture one of being that there's

753
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: just during the season, there's this mad rush of all

754
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: these freaking eggs, right and over the years it just

755
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: has kind of become the some jars eggs get scattered

756
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: around and and everybody feels like they're promoting sturgeon and

757
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: looking out for the resource and we're not out like

758
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: killing them just to carve eggs out of them. And

759
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I could just see that. You

760
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: would be like, man, they were being wrong. They need

761
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: to be putting their place. But it's getting a little crazy,

762
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: the reporting and the yeah, because the fines are pretty

763
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: happy to forget the dollar amount, but I want to say,

764
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: like it's like up to nine it's nine months in

765
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: prison something like that, you know, with like you know,

766
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars and fines. Mhmm, yeah, yeah,

767
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be interesting, you know. I hope that

768
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: it can be resolved in a way where the folks

769
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: that did the wrong understand and will you know, change

770
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: their ways, and um, you know that the public that

771
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: is looking at this will also go Okay. That was

772
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: educational for me too. I know what I can and

773
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: cannot do and I won't you know, participate and stuff

774
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: like that. A couple of years ago, I don't think

775
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: we ever reported on this too much, but a couple

776
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: of years ago it was a guy there's a you know, uh,

777
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to name who he is. There's a

778
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: hunter who does a lot of outdoor media and all

779
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: over the news one day like it and not the news,

780
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: but sort of like in the text message hunting's you know,

781
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: sphere and on blogs and stuff is like, oh, it's

782
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: a poacher, got caught poaching. Hunt license all over plasure

783
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: here was so and so huntment, no license and the

784
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: wound up being he had a license, hunting had. What

785
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: he didn't have is his five dollar archery stamp. He

786
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: didn't have his five dollar archery stamp which he was

787
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: eligible to have purchased. So he had his certificate number

788
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: for the bow, Like what is that that the national

789
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: the sort of nationally recognized. Yeah, that the archery safety class,

790
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: but hadn't so he had bought his like six and

791
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: some odd dollar out permit but didn't get the five

792
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: dollar archery enhancement. But right, and people get really excited

793
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: about this stuff and you look into it and it's

794
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of like I have a feeling

795
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: that he wasn't Like I'll show I just found a

796
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: way to save five dollars. They'll never catch me, you

797
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It happens. Yeah, yeah, he's not

798
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: a poacher. Yeah, it happens where people get really excited

799
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff. So but the phone deleting, Yeah, yeah,

800
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: there's some shady stuff and the phone is a little

801
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: I think we'll know more and we'll just a dirty

802
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: sound of word. But this is not dirty. Nothing wrong

803
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: with that word. But man, does it sound dirt. I

804
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: wonder what the outcome would have been if there wasn't

805
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: any hint of malice. Like, I don't know, I don't

806
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: know this guy at all. I just I just would

807
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: bet my truck that he's a good guy that wasn't

808
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: trying to do anything wrong. But the whole delete the

809
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: phone thing, like maybe he's just a stupid criminal. Maybe

810
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: he's been the best guy his whole life and then

811
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: realized he was a little bit of trouble and then

812
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: did something stupid. When a good criminal who's been a

813
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: criminal their whole life, we're known not to do that.

814
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not defending the guy been like he'd

815
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: have been like can't text, I'll call Yeah, yeah, so

816
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: when I'll call you from a pay phone. Yeah, that's

817
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: what the good criminals do. You know, if there's a story.

818
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: That's all right now. I feel like it came out before,

819
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: though I don't really understand this. Someone check into this

820
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: for me because Kran pointed it out to me, and

821
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: it's here in my notes. The does every year. This

822
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: does every year the squirrel hunting contests in New York

823
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: by the German Sportsman's Association. They try to shut down

824
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: their squirrel hunting tournament. Oh so February, the German Town

825
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Sportsman Association has their annual squirrel hunting tournament seven years running.

826
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: I should go. I'd like to go hunt this tournament man.

827
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: Seven years running? Teams or is it solo? They're getting

828
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: death threats, They're getting vulgar phone call and they are

829
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: not going to shut down their squirrel hunting contest. Keep

830
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: it alive. Man. All the meat gets used. They use

831
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: it for their fundraiser, they use it for the banquet.

832
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: The argument against it is this killing in the name

833
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: of fun and family bonding seems contradictory. They've never been

834
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting because boy, is it fun and do you

835
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: get to do some bonding? They want them to replace

836
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: it with something that promotes family values. What do they suggest?

837
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: A beef steak? Does that pose family values? Yeah? If

838
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: they had a big old beef steak, if they had

839
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: a steak dinner, would anybody be giving them grief? And

840
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: the damage in so many ways would be so much greater.

841
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: You get they I like this, it's the weight of

842
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: your bag. It's a good bass fishing. Yeah. So you

843
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: get a limit. They weigh out your limit, man, Yeah,

844
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: you better go on. I want to count disc tournaments

845
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: so bad German town sports his association so and making

846
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: their death giving them death threats and whatnot. You should

847
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: call them and say, I hope that you stay alive

848
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: a long time. Um, Steve by their rules can use dogs,

849
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: Me and you and y'all do could roll up there

850
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: with a couple of hot mountain fights and they might

851
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: not know what hit him. I know that on Facebook

852
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: they have Somebody's gonna People are talking about six fourteen likes,

853
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: But no, I don't know the details. We can get

854
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: back with you on that, or if you'd like, Clay,

855
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 1: we'll go up there with some meals and dogs. Listen,

856
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: I got this idea. Why don't you all over, Why

857
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: don't you call over, conduct some interviews and come back

858
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: and report to us about new York Squirrel Hunting Tournament

859
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: done another quick squirrel A couple quick you go, I'm

860
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: going to leave him behind. I'm going no, no, no,

861
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying to not go. Is she not gonna

862
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: make it this year? Oh no, this is a quick turnaround.

863
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: Teams have two look at this guy. This guy's like

864
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: a we'll split it up cash prize, will take tests. Bonus.

865
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: So if you get a black face, if you get

866
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: a black now do they mean red? Like what what

867
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: do they mean? Fox guaranteed? So bonus for fox really

868
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: bonus and you get a bonus for black phase gray.

869
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Mm no, that's getting a little too flashy for me. Boys,

870
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm all about that when it comes to squirrel. I

871
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: know it was a spot in New York where all

872
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: you see is black face gray, get over there. Yeah,

873
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: if you want, I know a spot in southwest Michigan,

874
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: same thing. So if you wanted to do, if you're

875
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: like a you know, smart criminal, you could hunt up

876
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: a bunch there and make drivedle detecting over the piles

877
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: of squirrels. Make sure someone didn't like stuff like lead

878
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: balls down their throat. Yeah, I remember that reading about

879
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: that in a Shark tournament. They found a shark pack

880
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: full of sash weights, so then they started X ray

881
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: and the sharks. Hey, that might be a reason to

882
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: use a lead shot for squirrels up there rather than

883
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: head shoot. Yeah, because head shot you lose weight. Yeah,

884
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: you that carries off some of the weight. You know.

885
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: I one time, I wanna get back to this squirrel news.

886
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: But we years ago. We're turkey hunting. Turkey hunt in

887
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and the local bar, which like all the revenue

888
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: at this bar sees have come from the same six alcoholics.

889
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: What was that town? Oh yeah, no, damn it, we're

890
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: all looking at Chester. No, not Roscoe. You oh yeah,

891
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: you're onto it. Hey wait this here's the funniest part

892
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: about the story. So there's too funny part. Anyways, there's

893
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: a bar in Elroy and no, no, no, no misrespect

894
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: to the to the drunkards to spend their entire day

895
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: in this bar. But if you ask them, they are

896
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: all exceptional turkey hunters. So I get a big turkey

897
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, and my body had already signed me

898
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: up for the big turkey contest. He had to put

899
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: like three bucks in your five bucks in to sign

900
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: me up. For the Big Turkey contest. I killed turkey,

901
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: got it, I got it and bring it down. But

902
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: it winds up being like, for a while it's on

903
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: the leaderboard. I'm like number one heavy turkey. You're trying

904
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: to tell him, Oh, if I hadn't get it, Oh

905
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: in the old drunks in this bar, he got in

906
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: the turkey. Have you ever he got in the turkey.

907
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: We go back into a couple days later and I

908
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: can hear him and they're still in there, and get it,

909
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: get this, he got in the turkey and I lost

910
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: that damn thing by ounces. The funniest part about is

911
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: I knew we were like by Doug Durn's kinda and

912
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: Doug Durn's talking about being over in Elroy, like like

913
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: you're in Marrakesh, Okay, Like, oh my god, over in Elroy.

914
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: Who right? And one day we decided to go to

915
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: Dougs and it's like we'd like drive down the road

916
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: like I don't know minutes and we're at Dug's house.

917
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: Those people. I thought, it's like Dug could like yell

918
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: over to Elroy, Oh my god, Elroy. Uh so, oh,

919
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: here's no good squirrel story. They had a squirrel with

920
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: a radio collar. We're talking about squirrel distribution, which I've

921
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: taken interest. And I don't want to tell anybody why

922
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: a secret. But in fact, there was a thing about

923
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: what I don't want to talk about in here in

924
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: my notes, and I why I deleted it. Then I

925
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: put it back in, but put a note, a comment,

926
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: note that this is a secret, secret thing I know about. Anyhow,

927
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: the secret I know prompted prompted a question to uh

928
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: are the squirrel biologist we recently had on that episode

929
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: is called the squirrel Doctors in um in Pennsylvania, Seth,

930
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this. In Pennsylvania they had a ear tagged

931
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: squirrel that traveled sixty two miles. Really, mhm, I believe it?

932
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: What have you? What have master years and p a

933
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: where it's just there's just nothing in all the squirrels

934
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: disappear gone. I can't find a squirrel anywhere travel And

935
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: then and then you next year, good master year, all

936
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: the squirrels are back. You know what I do? You

937
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: know what a radius is? In the circle I would

938
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: put the I would make a radius around that. Wherever

939
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: you are, I'd make a radius sixty two miles around that.

940
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: Point and then I'd get in my car and drive

941
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: do some surveys. Someone real sharp can figure out how

942
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: far are you'd have to drive? I drive, Yeah, that's

943
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: the equation, and I'd find him. It's recomference. He little

944
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: something something hie r. Okay, Clay, do you want to

945
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: start on? Do you want to start on? What do

946
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: you want to start on? We start on raccoons really okay,

947
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: m hmm. Yeah, it's fresh. Yeah, manly because I feel

948
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: like we've reported on squirrels so heavily over the years,

949
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to report on squirrels. We're gonna report

950
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: on squirrels today, but we have not given due reporting

951
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: hunting to coon hounding. Yeah, we've had a tough we've

952
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: had We've so now you've only been here for three nights, Steve,

953
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: so you've hunted the last three nights. Yanni and I

954
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: have hunted the last four nights together. And this is

955
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: about as tough of conditions as we've as I've ever

956
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: hunted in you know we have right now in the

957
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: Ozarks or when Yannie got here, there was six eight

958
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: inches of snow on the ground, which for here is

959
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: a lot. It does happen but it's a lot. We

960
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: had records. Yeah, it's so to back you up, it's

961
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: so rare that I called a buddy of mine who

962
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: used to hunt a lot of coons in southern Missouri,

963
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: which is not far from here, and I was asking

964
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: about cold, snowy conditions. He's like, I really can't tell

965
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: you because I think I hunted those conditions twice in

966
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: all my years. Well, that's exactly what I told you.

967
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: You You said, hey, Clay, have you ever hunted in

968
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: the snow? And I was like, one time I hunted

969
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: in the snow, So I didn't really know what to

970
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: expect um, But the record lows. It was negative twelve

971
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: on my phone for the town that I live in

972
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: the northwest Arkansas, like two days before you got here Sunday.

973
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: There's ponds around here. It looks like you could walk

974
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: on on the ice and go I fishing. I walked

975
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: out on one, and my uh Seth knows about this

976
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: ice talks to me. I walked out on one and

977
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: it was not It wasn't. I don't like it. Yeah,

978
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: it went just about it and I got off quickly.

979
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: But still, how often do you even see a pond

980
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: frozen over. I mean not like this, so so what

981
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: was you know what? Hold on a second. I didn't

982
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: set this up properly. I didn't do a good I

983
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: have a train. I have a better okay, because see

984
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: I was set it up like we're going into squirrel,

985
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: but we went into coons. So check this out let

986
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: her rip. We're talking about how, uh when they trained

987
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: dogs in Germany, apparently Navid and all that. Mhm, you

988
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: make the dog get into a barrel or a cage

989
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: and scrap with a raccoon. You know about this. I've

990
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: heard of it. And I got talking about, uh, people

991
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: putting a dog in to fight with a weasel or

992
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: to fight with a rat. I've done the weasel fight thing.

993
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: Really yeah really just like with what kind of dog? No?

994
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: Just personal? Oh yeah yeah in a culver pipe? Yeah,

995
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: did you have to scrap? He was he was setting

996
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 1: a trap and he went down there and set the trap,

997
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: and the weasel was in the culvert already they're going

998
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: to set screamed like a baby. Not you got this

999
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: is in Texas. This is he talked about it on

1000
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: I reached down in a culvert pipe to set a

1001
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: trap and there was a weasel in there. It snarled

1002
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: at me, but it was in a culvert pipe, so

1003
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it sounded like a tiger. He's it's a

1004
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: bank of tiger there. It made me step back. And

1005
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: when you put your nose down and you can just

1006
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 1: smell that weasel in there too, I think you should

1007
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: take out Steve, say Navita too, because I believe Nada

1008
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: North America. I know, but it's all listen, no, okay,

1009
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: take out me could not be able to find my stuff.

1010
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: But keep Yannie in saying to take out NAVDA because

1011
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: NAVDA is heavily influenced by German versatile hunting dogs stuff

1012
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: heavily influenced. But I know, I just don't want it

1013
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: to make it sound like you're saying that NAVDA now

1014
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: has these things going on where they like. I can

1015
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: tell you they maybe don't condone it, they maybe don't

1016
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: talk about it, but I can listen. I'll take this

1017
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: to the grave. I can tell you there are people

1018
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: who are Okay, not NAVDA. There are people who are

1019
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 1: into the versatile hunting dog aesthetic on this continent who

1020
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: might uh pay attention to NAVDA and be interested in

1021
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: the stuff, who are still believers in making them duke

1022
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: it out with a raccoon. I totally agree. Okay, this

1023
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: guy has firsthand knowledge of a farmer who had a

1024
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: weener dog doins. He's a grain farmer, and he had

1025
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: a dot. He even has it here, a dots and

1026
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: parenthesy weener dog. I'm looking at it right here. I

1027
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: believe it's right the other way with it. I don't

1028
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce it. I don't wanna get caught

1029
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: not knowing how to pronounce it. It looks like and

1030
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: I knew I'd messed it up, and then everybody have

1031
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: a laugh at my expense. And I like to laugh

1032
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: at everybody, but I want to be laughing at me.

1033
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: So he had a grain stylo. So he's got a

1034
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: grain farmer. He had a weener, a dashing dotson dock Dockson.

1035
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: He had a docks and he would put in a

1036
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: box and make him duke it out with pack rats

1037
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: because cause he had such a problem with pack rats

1038
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: destroying the wiring on his trucks and equipment when he

1039
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: stored it for the winner. So this docks and am

1040
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: I saying that right Dockson hated pack rats because I

1041
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 1: have him to fight him in that box and would

1042
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: go hunt him and protect the equipment and trucks during

1043
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: winter storage. We had who would lie in an email? Yeah?

1044
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: Right here? Where are we for everyone we've ever elected

1045
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: the office? We've had thousands of dollars of damage on

1046
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: my wife's car from pack rats getting in and chewing wires.

1047
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: I bet that's what your dog ate last night. I

1048
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: was thinking about what the dog ate. I wasn't thinking

1049
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: about it. That's what it was. Yeah, what the hell

1050
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: else would have been? Yeah, that's the only kind of

1051
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: big rat we have. Oys hell are we talking about? Oh?

1052
01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: I still haven't seg watch this now? Um made him

1053
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: right in? Was Yannie talking about his his raccoon, his dog?

1054
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: That was a good lead. Now I'll go talking about

1055
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: coon's Yeah, oh we know like a long time ago,

1056
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: and I was talking about training mingus on the trap raccoon. Yeah,

1057
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: so I brought a full circle. That's good. That's really

1058
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: good here Now people would be better prepared to track

1059
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: the conversation. So we've just we've so, I mean, I

1060
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: I have I have raccoon house to start from zero

1061
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: to bring everybody up to speed. I have raccoon hounds Okay,

1062
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: a raccoon is a mammal, I would say coon, I

1063
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: would say, I mean, I would just be not super

1064
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: close cousins to a bear. Yeah, So I have coon hounds,

1065
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: and so coon hounds are they're multiple breeds of coon hounds,

1066
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: five or six different u k c. Registered. Well, there's

1067
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: a walker, blue tick, black, and tan, red bone English

1068
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: in plot? Is that all? Is that? All six of them?

1069
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: Sounds like yeah? And so tell about how the one

1070
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: hand all five? So well, it's easier to say the plothhound,

1071
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: the American plothhound is the only treehound that did not

1072
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: descend from European fox hounds. So black and tan, blue tick, walker,

1073
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: red bone English all descended from European fox hounds. If

1074
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: you look above, you, gentlemen, you'll see uh banning on

1075
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: the wall. I can tell you about that. I'm sorry. Yeah,

1076
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's an from this that's a

1077
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: whole another story. You want me to talk about that later?

1078
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: To guard the gate thing. Essentially, that scene no longer

1079
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: exists on the earth because those dudes didn't didn't didn't

1080
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: do it right. And I understand the principal garden the gate,

1081
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: and I believe in Garden the Gate. But I just

1082
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: don't know how. I just don't consider that my those

1083
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: my brethren, Well listen, let me let me. I'm with you.

1084
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't even dress up fancy little hats and riding

1085
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: around on a horse, Jason the fox. I mean, I

1086
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: just still, I just don't look. Look at that scene

1087
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: that was us yesterday. Look, there's a fan, there's a

1088
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: family of people. They're they're on that play dogs. We'll

1089
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,479
Speaker 1: talk about a separate answer. No, I'm just saying those

1090
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: that was a valuable So what I've got, guys, is

1091
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: I've got this old painting of a European fox hunting scene,

1092
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: men on horseback, there's twenty walkers. There's not even that.

1093
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up everybody's time. I'll talk

1094
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: about it with you later. Sure, God, but I hope

1095
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: they hunt and chase fox till the tills come home.

1096
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: It just isn't relevant. If you had let me tell

1097
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: the story, you can see why it's relevant. But why

1098
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: that's there, No, no, no, no, I don't want to

1099
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: talk about that. All that is symbolic that picture because

1100
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: that no longer exists. That's why it's on the ceiling.

1101
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: I put everything that no one because I'm slapping Yanni

1102
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: on the knee for emphasis. I don't want there to

1103
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: be a painting of me and Steve and Joannice on

1104
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: mules with feists and coonhounds, but they have to make

1105
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: paintings of because you can't do it anymore. Do you

1106
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That's that's the metaphor. That's why

1107
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: it's up there, because I don't want that to be me.

1108
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: I want my kids to be able to ride mules

1109
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: and hunt with dogs and do the stuff that we've done.

1110
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: So that's that's the metaphor. I think it's a little

1111
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: flawed though, because I think usually people make paintings of

1112
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: things that are celebrated. So in a way, I do

1113
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: want a painting of us, but I don't want that

1114
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: paint to go on. You don't want it on the

1115
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: ceiling of this place. So so we coon hunt. So

1116
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: we have coonhounds. Uh, it's something that I got my

1117
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: first coon hounds when I was fourteen years old. I

1118
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: hunted until I went to college, got rid of my dogs,

1119
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: took a hiatus from coon hunting for about fifteen years

1120
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: until my family was kind of of age and my

1121
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: kids and people were interested, and six I think six

1122
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: years ago I got back into coon hunting and just

1123
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: kind of stepped back into it. And it's a it's

1124
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: a pretty it's I mean, if you're an outdoorsman and

1125
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,959
Speaker 1: you're looking for places to spend time in the outdoors,

1126
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: it's pretty unique because you do it at night. I

1127
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: mean almost even from like a logistical perspective. First of all,

1128
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: it's an animal that is abundant that most people don't

1129
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: care about, and you hunted at night. Yeah, involves a dog.

1130
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: It's there's virtually no there's virtually no stress on the

1131
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: resource right now because the furs are not valuable enough

1132
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: to warrant trapping for him, and generally trappers trappers are

1133
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: like when fur prices are high, they're killing nine out

1134
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: of ten that get killed. Yeah, high volume commercial dudes.

1135
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: And that's not nerd even more, you know the whole

1136
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: messo predator seeing like mid sized predators. You know, the

1137
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: big main predators in North America in this part of

1138
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: the world, which would have been mountain lion wolf, they're gone.

1139
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: The messo predators, mid sized predators are more there. I've

1140
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 1: got some research papers over here from some stuff I

1141
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: was looking at, like there is an unnatural amount of

1142
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: raccoons in North America right now as compared to pre

1143
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: European settlement. So yeah, I was reading in our little

1144
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: fact sheet. I want to say, it was like how

1145
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: many people are in America now around I think it

1146
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: was around three hundred million raccoons in our country. I

1147
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: remember thinking like, wow, it's almost as many people's lived here.

1148
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: I think that that's incorrect. You do just got just

1149
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: got couldn't you see how fast he grabbed that phone.

1150
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: That's like the kind of thing. Yeah, but you know

1151
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: why is because he wrote that fact. I actually alright,

1152
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: so eat, when you hunt and you cast million turn loose,

1153
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: really three in a million coons? Nor do you ever

1154
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: hear about how they how they do that? Wildlife Services

1155
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: does that drop of rabies vaccination pills from the air

1156
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: to spread to stop raccoon rabies. That's some interesting stuff.

1157
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: I was just I was just gonna describe. Yeah, and

1158
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: I called the guy and I'm like, I'm bringing some

1159
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: shid horns. So when we coon hunt, what we do

1160
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: is we go out to a likely spot. Usually involves water,

1161
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: big woods, like you want to turn out around a creek,

1162
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: around a pond. And these are trained dogs. And you know,

1163
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: we could go a thousand different ways of how you

1164
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: train dogs. A lot of it is breeding, getting the

1165
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: right dog to start with, and then you condition that

1166
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: dog and train it. We have to get into the

1167
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: training a little bit because that's the whole reason that

1168
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: Chester and I are driving twenty hours each direction with

1169
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: my dogs so he gets training done. Let me just

1170
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: like set up what coon hunt. It is how we

1171
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: do it. So we turn loose our dogs in a

1172
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: likely spot. These dogs are free cast, which means we

1173
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: just turn them loose, and the idea is that they

1174
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: would they would go out on their own, find coon scent,

1175
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: trail the coon, and tree the coon. And so what

1176
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: I was telling, I want to add into that, like

1177
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: the reason there's like a name for free cast, you know,

1178
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: that's not the reason. But the other version of cut

1179
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 1: cutting a hound loose to go track something is that

1180
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: you like we do in Montana looking for mountain lions.

1181
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: We find the track and then you put the dog's

1182
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: nose literally on that track and started the humans finds

1183
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: the track in the snow or in the mud. You

1184
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: turn a dog, you'd bring a dog to set them

1185
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: in the right direction to free cast is where I

1186
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: don't know where a coon is, you know, I just

1187
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: I just know by this pond there's likely a coon

1188
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: within three yards here. Maybe he's fifty yards, maybe he's

1189
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: five hundred yards. I'm gonna turn this dog loose. This

1190
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: dog has the instinct to hunt and pray drive. He's

1191
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna seek out coon scent and real quick.

1192
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: Interesting you told me tell him about what's it called anie?

1193
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: When you don't FreeCast, is there a turn for it?

1194
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: Put him on the track. Well, I mean, if you're

1195
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: big game, so there's lots of different things. If you're

1196
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: big game hunting a lot of guys rigged dogs, which

1197
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: means you drive around. No, no, I mean, what's it

1198
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: called to stick his nose in a track? I mean,

1199
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: just turn them out on the track, turn him on

1200
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: a track. We talked about this. I was like, what

1201
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: happens when people if coon cuts across the road in

1202
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: front of you. Clay was saying that the strategy is

1203
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: drive past it, wait a while so it's not too hot,

1204
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: and then bring them back and put him on it

1205
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: when it's not too hot. Anybody that's listening to this

1206
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: podcast that's a coon hunter for very long has had

1207
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 1: this happen. You're going coon hunting and you see a

1208
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: coon cry us the road. The first instinct you have

1209
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: is to slam on the brakes, jump out, grab your dog,

1210
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: and just throw it on the track. And I mean

1211
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: just universal have done it, Oh yeah, many times. A

1212
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: probably learned I'm not just from my experience, but from

1213
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: others telling me the same corresponding story. Dogs have a

1214
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: real hard time with a super fresh track. They'll usually

1215
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: take it the wrong way. This happened. I saw a

1216
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: coon track. This was like three or four years ago.

1217
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: I saw a coon across the road in front of

1218
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: my truck going to the right, going off down the valley.

1219
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: I turned fern loose on that hot track. She just erupts.

1220
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: She goes two hundred and fifty yards the other way

1221
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: and trees a coon on the side of the mountain

1222
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: over the head, dead serious like that. You know, you

1223
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: just feel like she's gonna hit there. So so what

1224
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: you do, if you can discipline yourself enough to do it,

1225
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: is you just well basically wait ten minutes before you

1226
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: turn on the track, and then they hit the track

1227
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: and whatever happens with the scent. So like, there's a

1228
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of science behind the way dogs use

1229
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: their nose with scent, Like there's a scent plume. Like

1230
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: that dog is sometimes tracking ground scent, which means the

1231
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: paths of that coon are touching dirt and grass and soil,

1232
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: leaving scent. The primary way that they're trailing a hot

1233
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: track is from a scent plume. So as that coon

1234
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: or even you or me are walking through the air,

1235
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: micro particles are constantly falling off of our body. I

1236
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: mean like skin particles, hair particles, particles from your shirt

1237
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: falling off, creating a scent plume. That's why a dog

1238
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: will run with his head up and not put his

1239
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: head right into a track. And so depending upon how hot,

1240
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: how fresh the scent is, and how um good the

1241
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: conditions are, conditions are everything. If it's cold, it's one way,

1242
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: if it's hot, it's another way. Um Like, So there's

1243
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 1: just all these variables that come with the olfactory conditions

1244
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: that a dog and trump. So what to go back

1245
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: to the sequence that I wanted, I told Johnson Steve

1246
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: so to a coon hunter, like the the objective is

1247
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: to get a coon, Like we're after a coon. There

1248
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: are better ways to get coons than with a dog.

1249
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: Like if we were just like if Steve was like Clay,

1250
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: I gotta come to Arkansas and bring ten coons home

1251
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: with me, I would have said, well, let's put out

1252
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: some dog proof traps. You know. That's like there there's

1253
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: a more conficient Yeah, there's a more official way. So

1254
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: like the whole thing is about working with this dog.

1255
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: That's part of it. And so what happens when you're

1256
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: a coon hunter is if I took Rick Smith out,

1257
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: he might have if he hadn't heard to spill. The

1258
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: first night just been like the dogs barked and then

1259
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: there was a coon, Like, big deal, My yard dog barks. Well,

1260
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: to a coon hunter, the nuance inside of those barks,

1261
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: it's like a book. It's like a story. And man,

1262
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all, it was dark last night and I

1263
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 1: can't hear out of my right ear, and that you

1264
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: got you want to talk about a handicap this guy,

1265
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: no doubt. I'm sure everybody knows this, but when you

1266
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: hear a sound, your ears are making a calculate It

1267
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: seems crazy, but this is when a sound hits your head.

1268
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: What are you laughing about? That's true. That sounds insane.

1269
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: Your brain knows which your ears the sound got to first,

1270
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: as fast as that is traveling. In fact, that's why

1271
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: when you're underwater, you can't tell where it came from,

1272
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: because it's traveling. What thirteen times fast or something like that.

1273
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: Look that up, my guess that's seven times fast. Look

1274
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: at them. When you're underwater and you hear like a

1275
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: way away off or you hear um boat motor, you

1276
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: feel you're gonna get faster than in there. Oh yeah,

1277
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: so fast that you brain, I can't pick it. That's

1278
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: why when you that's why when you hear an outboard,

1279
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: when you're diving under water and you hear outboard, it

1280
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: feels like it's gonna hit you from some direction you

1281
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: can't tell water. You feel like you're surrounding by whales

1282
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: when they're that's what the whale sounds like, um so whistle. Yeah,

1283
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: that's why it's so disorienting. Your brain knows what year

1284
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: that sound hit first, and then like through some calibrated

1285
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Clay has got a bad a bum here

1286
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: every noise Clays like, where'd that come from where'd that

1287
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: come from? He cannot tell where it came from. So

1288
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: you can play a hell of a trick on you,

1289
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: Oh you could. For sure. I'm gonna start hiding out

1290
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: in the woods at night. Hey, do you know do

1291
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: you want to know how I learned that I couldn't

1292
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: hear direction? When I was a kid, I'd be hunting

1293
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: with my dad and he'd holler at me from you know,

1294
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: we'd we'd split up to scout for deer, and he'd

1295
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: be like clay and I'd be like, yeah, come over here,

1296
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: there's a bucker uh. And I'd just take off going

1297
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: that way and he'd holler hey, and I'd be like yeah,

1298
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: and he's further away, and I'd take off after and

1299
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean it would just so that's not that's not

1300
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: like a result of blowing in the era. When I

1301
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: was in the ninth grade, my ear started ringing after

1302
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: getting a twenty two pistol and burning up about two

1303
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 1: thousand rounds out of there. But but I didn't shoot

1304
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: at home kids where it's like day eight dollars, short

1305
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: dude runs around all day or the ear plugs in thought, Steve,

1306
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: if you clapped your hands real hard, by me my

1307
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: bad here that I can't hear out of well ring

1308
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: so loud. I can't hardly hear people talk, like if

1309
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: you just went yeah, I mean like, so i'd really

1310
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: take care of my bad here because that's the one

1311
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: that rings. So that's when when you'll learned if you

1312
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: hunt with me very much. I always ask people to

1313
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: tell direction. I was doing it with you all yesterday.

1314
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: I was like, which direct point? I say, point point

1315
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: where that dog is, and Steve would be like this way, Michael,

1316
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: and here does it where? I say, pointed those dogs

1317
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: because I hear them, because I got a good ear.

1318
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,520
Speaker 1: I've got one here that's great, which is a blessings,

1319
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, if they're both bad. I couldn't hear people talk.

1320
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: I can hear you talk, fine, Oh no, you hear it.

1321
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: I just don't know where it makes for a tough

1322
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: turkey hunt. Oh dude. It's sort of ruined my solo

1323
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: turkey career, no doubt. I want to train my mule

1324
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: to key in on. I'm serious. I thought about getting

1325
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: a gobble machine and and then go feed the feed

1326
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: the feed of a treat next to it, and then

1327
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 1: so when she hears a gobble on a colt on

1328
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: a spring morning. Here's to go up the mule that

1329
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: the mule I was riding squirrel hunting. I was kind

1330
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: of wondering, how much would you need to do this

1331
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: before when those dogs bade they go to them, that

1332
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: the mule will just be like, I might as just

1333
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: go over there because this guy is gonna be kicking

1334
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: my side, yanking out my reins and whatnot. I feel like, now, see,

1335
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: the mule you were riding would be one that we

1336
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: ride less, like is he my mule? Like every time

1337
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: that we hunt on mules, I'm riding her. And I'd

1338
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: be stretching to say that when she hears dog barks,

1339
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: she just starts going. It eventually happens. She she tends

1340
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: to go the way they go. You should every time

1341
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: you get a squirrel feeder, give that mule something to

1342
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: eat that's good. So she's like over there where those

1343
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: dogs are dogs, Those dogs are banned by some green

1344
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: that's solid that it really would work. Those those mules

1345
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: would sell their soul for a handful. And Phil Phil

1346
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: cut that dogs. I'm actually gonna sell that idea to

1347
01:21:51,160 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: somebody a book. He's gonna make a book. M We

1348
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: were talking about the sequence, and I said, like, in

1349
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: the dark, you're listening for these certain things to happen.

1350
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: What might seem just like a bark to someone else's

1351
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: like this this story, and so there's four things that

1352
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 1: are happening on a coon hunt. You turn the dogs,

1353
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: you free cast the dogs. In the first bark that

1354
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: you hear that it is what we call strike. So

1355
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: you would hear us say that man Fern just struck

1356
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: a con. That would mean she located the scent of

1357
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: a coon. And there is an excited bark. I mean,

1358
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 1: it could be a variation of barks, but it just

1359
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: there's no like someone stepped on their tail, they strike

1360
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: the con. There's no exactly okay, like for instance, and

1361
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even have time to get into it the

1362
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: other night. But there was one time when Fern went

1363
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: way out embark down in that field where we thought

1364
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: we her to coyote, And when I heard her open strike,

1365
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a coon. I thought she

1366
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: was booger barking. Well, no, she got sprayed in the

1367
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: face by a skunk. That was another time. You gotta

1368
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: explain booker bark. Well, let's let's not let me just uh, well,

1369
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, a booker bark would just be

1370
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: a meaning the dog was scared by something. And like

1371
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: if a ups man drove up in the front of

1372
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: your yard and the dog was out, it would be like,

1373
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stand there and look. When fern strikes,

1374
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,959
Speaker 1: she has a squall. And when I hear a squeaky

1375
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: squall at a fern, I feel good about that. As

1376
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: a coon she's after. So they strike. The next thing

1377
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: they do is they trail the coon. And this is

1378
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: this is the part of the sequence that every dog

1379
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: is gonna be different. There's no dog that's gonna be

1380
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: the same. But what they're doing is they're trailing the ground.

1381
01:23:53,840 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: Sin of that coon, the tempo, cadence, loudness, excited, this

1382
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: of that bark tells you how hot that track is.

1383
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: If they just blow out of there, then man, you're like, man,

1384
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: it's a hot track. If it's like we heard a

1385
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: lot of this this week, you're just saying, man, they're

1386
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: they're working it. And on a textbook track, the track

1387
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: would get hotter and hotter, but it's rarely textbook. So

1388
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: there's there's the trail sounds when you're hunting an animal

1389
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: that climbs trees, you have in these dogs are tree dogs,

1390
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: which means they are bred to run game, and when

1391
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: that game runs up a tree, they stay there and bark.

1392
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: And that's a special thing because most most most hounds

1393
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: would be dogs that would just want to pursue game.

1394
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: So like running dogs, that's what we call a running dog.

1395
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: A running hound, and a treehound is different. A running hound,

1396
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: when he chases a coon and it goes up a tree,

1397
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: he goes, dang, this isn't he fun anymore. I'm gonna

1398
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: go somewhere else and find another one to try to catch.

1399
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: A treehound, when he gets to where he believes the

1400
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 1: animal left the earth and is standing up in a tree,

1401
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: he will stay there and bark, which is think about

1402
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: this though, Rick Smith, this is an unnatural thing for

1403
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: an animal to do. Like in the wild, there's no

1404
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: replication of that thing, because a treehound has a human

1405
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: partner that will then come to the tree and harvest

1406
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: the animal. So like a wolf wouldn't be a treehound.

1407
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: A wolf would run you up a tree and be like,

1408
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: I ain't getting that guy, I'm gonna go catching it.

1409
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: You see, what I'm saying. So it's this influence of

1410
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: human artificial selection and breeding that makes something really special.

1411
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: So like when I say that dog is a tree dog,

1412
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: Like what I'm gonna say about a little bit question.

1413
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: Can all of the so the breeds of the hounds,

1414
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: can they all be tree dogs? Well, I mean they

1415
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: all running hounds, like like like all the six breeds

1416
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: that I just all, they're all treehounds. What's a hound

1417
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: that is not a treehound? Well, there's lots of walkers

1418
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: that are running walkers like guys that run deer, guys

1419
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: that run foxes, guys that run coyotes. Those are running dogs. Um,

1420
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: so is a bagle. Beagles are running dog. If a

1421
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: bagel a rabbit could climb a tree, a bagle would

1422
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 1: just leave in the tree and go find another rabbit

1423
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: to run. My dog, my dogs a snuggling dog. See

1424
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:37,879
Speaker 1: someone on the couches. That's where it's going artificial human selection.

1425
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 1: Our dog is such a snuggling dog that now, en

1426
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: if we let the kids go into we don't have

1427
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: like a living room with the TV area, and and

1428
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: when the kids go into the I was like, oh yeah,

1429
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: we get sick of them, Like you guys can go

1430
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: watch the show. If that dog hears that a cartoon

1431
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: or something come on, like a bline runs in, No

1432
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: one that can go snuggle with the money. That's a

1433
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: snuggle dog. Yeah, stays on that snuggle. So we're a

1434
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: part two of four. So so strike, trail and then

1435
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: locate and these are all things that I could call

1436
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: in a sequence. The locate bark is when the the

1437
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: the animal and in our case of coon has gone

1438
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 1: up the tree. And it may seem like the dog

1439
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: would just trail footsteps right up to a tree and

1440
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: just start barking, but it's never the way it happens.

1441
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: Like y'all saw last night, Like fern trail, that coon

1442
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: got to generally where she believed it was, but the

1443
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: scent trail was indistinct to which tree it was. I mean,

1444
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: she was checking every tree in a fifty sixty square

1445
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: yard area. She didn't know where it was, and she

1446
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: during that time will lead out a series of elongated

1447
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: barks that indicate that she is no longer on the

1448
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: actual linear trail that coon and she's like do circles

1449
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: and and every dog will be different. I know what

1450
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 1: ferns locate bark sounds like if you're a coon hunter,

1451
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: you'd say, she's looking up, but she doesn't know where

1452
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: it's at. Looking up with mean the dog is trying

1453
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 1: to locate the coon in the tree, but it's not

1454
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: real clear. They almost always locate, and so you get

1455
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: excited when your dog locates. So the dog strikes, the

1456
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 1: dog trails, and then when she locates, you slap your

1457
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: buddy on the knee and you go, may, we're about

1458
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: to be looking at the coon. And then the fourth thing,

1459
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: the fourth sequence is the dog begins to tree. That's

1460
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: when the dog locates the coon, and the dog begins

1461
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: an excited series typically of chops oh oh, oh, oh oh.

1462
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: Not all dogs chop some dog's ball, but like eight

1463
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: percent of these coon hounds that are in these breeds

1464
01:28:54,120 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: will chop on the tree. So it's like locate, oh oh,

1465
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: strike trail, okay tree. When last night when we were

1466
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,520
Speaker 1: having such a time, when they're having such time untangling

1467
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: that track, well I thought was interesting was you, um,

1468
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: they hit a tree and you said, I think the

1469
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: tree and we ran over there and I said, well,

1470
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 1: there it is. I could see it up in the tree,

1471
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: and you seem real surprised. Yeah, man, just because you

1472
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: were getting frustrated with how long it took to sort

1473
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: the track out. You know. Yeah, what we saw last

1474
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: night was it was in some ways it was great

1475
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: dog work and other ways it was bad dog work.

1476
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just kind of which side of it

1477
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: you wanted to look at. For whatever reason, that was

1478
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: a hard track for them to sort out. And I

1479
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: can't tell you why it was. Um, they made a

1480
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: massive loss. So I should have never gone in there, Steve,

1481
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I was. I was just confused. Well, it doesn't help

1482
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: him any But like when I was looking at my

1483
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: garment and there's like eight people looking over my shoulder

1484
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: and we've been hunting for four nights and and we

1485
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: hadn't even seen a coon yet. And this is so

1486
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: not a big deal to one o the morning. And

1487
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm here Fern locating and I'm watching my garment and

1488
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: I see her doing tight circles. I felt like she

1489
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: was treated, and I said, let's go to her. And

1490
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I made the decision we're gonna go. And we got

1491
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: in there. And as soon as we got in there,

1492
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: she wasn't where I left her, you know, she wasn't

1493
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: And and and it wasn't. She didn't leave the tree

1494
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: like a bad thing. That would be a bad thing.

1495
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: She just hadn't committed. They hadn't got bored left. No, No,

1496
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: she just she just knew it wasn't there. She wasn't

1497
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: certain where it was. So we got in there and

1498
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: I saw her nose on the ground and not pointing

1499
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: the tree. I just was like, Doc, got it. And

1500
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: this is after several nights a tough coon hunting. I

1501
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: like that. You yelled at me in there to uh

1502
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: you said, don't start shining your light up in the

1503
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: trees because then they'll think they got the tree. Which

1504
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: is interesting that they got that. They bunch of dudes

1505
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: come in and shine light the tree. They're like, it

1506
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: must be the raccoon exactly. I mean, think, think about

1507
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred times or more in their life.

1508
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: The only time we shot up in a tree, a

1509
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: coon comes falling down, you know what I mean. So

1510
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: you don't, especially when they're struggling, you don't. You just

1511
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: cut your lights. You just kind of want And when

1512
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: we did go in on the tree, when you finally

1513
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: like you the dogs were doing a bunch of they

1514
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: going all over the place, and couldn't sort it out.

1515
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: But then they found it, like really committed to a tree.

1516
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: But you're still a little incredulous just because there's so

1517
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: much weirdness has already gone on. You had me switch

1518
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: my light to a green light so that I didn't

1519
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: get so that I didn't if they were not if

1520
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: they were not sure yet, that I didn't make too

1521
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: much of a suggestion. Okay, that wasn't my thought at all,

1522
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: that I thought. I assume that's what it was. Okay, Yeah,

1523
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I can see why you think that, because I was

1524
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: telling you at one time not to shine your light

1525
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: and then you said put it on green, and put

1526
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: it on Yeah, I had mine on red. The reason

1527
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I did that, Steve, is because we were in a

1528
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: cedar thicket, and those coons would get up in the

1529
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: top of those thirty foot cedars and you can't see them.

1530
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: You might it was another five ten ft higher in

1531
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: that tree would have been harder to pick up. Oh

1532
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't You saw how quick I found that quick?

1533
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: You know what I saw that tail, the ring on

1534
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the tail, it was beautiful. Well, what I wanted that

1535
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: coon to do was look at it. He'll look at

1536
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: a red light, and he won't look at a bright light.

1537
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh so that's what you were thinking, because looking eyes

1538
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: shine a lot of times you get you get one

1539
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 1: flicker of a con i right when you walk up.

1540
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: When you walk up, they're trying to figure out what's

1541
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: going on. They'll look at you, and then they'll closer

1542
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: us and just hunker down. And if they're up in

1543
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: the top of a cedar tree that you can't see

1544
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: all of it, you might get one look at him

1545
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: in a red light. They'll look at a red light

1546
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: or a green light. So I was worried about finding

1547
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 1: the coon. I saw a fern standing on the tree barking.

1548
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: I was like, whether she's got it or not, she's committed.

1549
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm going in. And then the coon was not very

1550
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: far up the tree. You saw it right away. I

1551
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 1: was excited. Man, you know, it feels way up. I

1552
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: could have saw it right away. To Clay, do you

1553
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: think the dogs getting sprayed by the skunk messed with

1554
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 1: him at all? You know, because that's Jester said it.

1555
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Somebody said it. I kind of doubt it did. And

1556
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: let me tell you why. We have this sense of

1557
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: what it's like to use your nose to navigate life

1558
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: because but a dog's navigation of life through its nose

1559
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: is vastly different than ours. The way I've heard it

1560
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: described by someone, it would be like walking into a house,

1561
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: and let's say your wife was cooking lasagna. You were

1562
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: cooking lasagna, Johnny, and you'd walked into the house. You

1563
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: would smell lasagna. Your dog would walk in and he

1564
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: would smell tomato, sauce, boiled noodles, ricotta, cheese, and Italian sausage,

1565
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: and he could distinct. They would be like distinct colors

1566
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: that he could separate from one another. So, yeah, are

1567
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: my dogs were out? I gotta qualify this because people

1568
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: are gonna think I have skunk dogs. Uh, my dogs were.

1569
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 1: I think they were working a little drainage and both

1570
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: of them just erupted, just just for probably four or

1571
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: five seconds into it. I think they just spooked. There

1572
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: was a lot, don't if you noticed, there was a

1573
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: lot of skunk tracks last night they were, Yeah, because

1574
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: I think that warm break in the weather, so in

1575
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot of greener tracks. Yeah, we haven't seen a

1576
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: greener track. I don't think. I didn't see one. I

1577
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: saw it. We saw as he left. I don't know,

1578
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 1: if you went and looked around that area, it looked

1579
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: like he had had a hole down in that area.

1580
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Is that yeah? M hm, he'd been working and work

1581
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: and working, and it was I remember asking you what

1582
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: that little outburst was. The dogs like kind of went

1583
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: crazy there for a second. Right, They probably just jumped something. Yeah,

1584
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: And that's not you said. They maybe they maybe like

1585
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: kicked up a deer and it scared him or whatever.

1586
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Because they didn't run it. I mean that like, you know,

1587
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: to run it out of the cunt. I mean, they

1588
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: just typically don't. They're pretty straight dogs. But it was

1589
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: as tough of conditions as I've ever been in for

1590
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: tree coon the last several days. And just so everyone knows,

1591
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 1: those dogs treat that coon after they got sprayed by

1592
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 1: that skunk. So yeah, probably thirty forty minutes after they

1593
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: got sprayed by scunt. Yeah they did. Uh what do

1594
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: you think about that one? You know, Yanni's one of

1595
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: his nicknames is the lavin Eagle. What do you think

1596
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: when Yannie spotted that squirrel's eyeball up in that tree?

1597
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: I was oppressive, it really was. Man. Good Ah, that's

1598
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: when the I know save this. You know, we had

1599
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: we lost the squirrel in the tree. This is a

1600
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: segway in the squirrel hunt. No, we forgot something, Yeah,

1601
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: the Ballad of Mingus the dog Um. We lost a

1602
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: squirrel the tree and Yanni there's a crack in the tree.

1603
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: And Yanni found its eyeball up in the crests like

1604
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 1: a little hole look like a you know, like a yeah,

1605
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: not too small, and he could probably make a volleyball

1606
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: stick into it. Jam it in there, eyeball looking at

1607
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: but it wasn't deep. And so when I glassed up there,

1608
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: you could see a little squirrel head. You can see

1609
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: a head in the shine of its eye. That was

1610
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 1: an interesting call on squirrel hunting, is like you can

1611
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: see his head in there, and you definitely could have

1612
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: shot him in the head. But then if you stoned

1613
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: him he might not come out. But the nature of

1614
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 1: the whole was such that you had to actually do something,

1615
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: go for a less ethical kill, in order that it

1616
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: would have a lot enough life to scurry itself out

1617
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: of that crack. Well that's not what we did, though,

1618
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: didn't do You know what we did? You spooked him out.

1619
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: I shot right under the hole. So what we did

1620
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: so we had twenty two's on him. We had Michael

1621
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: Lanier with the twelve gauge. I was carrying a four ten,

1622
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: and I the fact that we could see the squirrel

1623
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: and the hole told me that the hole didn't go

1624
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: deeper like advantage of it. He was just in a

1625
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: little cavity, and so I said, well, I'll just shoot

1626
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: right beneath the hole, and that's what we did. It worked,

1627
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: shot and he ran out of the hole. It was

1628
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: delayed though I shot boom. He didn't move and then

1629
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: he broke like a few seconds later. That's why I

1630
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: remember it. And then he ran up the tree. And

1631
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: then I guess Michael ended up shooting it with a

1632
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: shotgun as it was going up the tree. Yeah, all right,

1633
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: talk about Amingus Update. We need a jingle for Amingus Update.

1634
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: A little song. Oh you know what I want to do?

1635
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I wanna you know that old kiss song Beth. It

1636
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: goes Beth. You hear me calling Beth, to hear me

1637
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: calling you calling, But I can't come home. I'm gonna

1638
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: do one. I want to rewrite it so it's seth.

1639
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: But I can't see if I wanted to be a

1640
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: turkey hunting song fleshing songs did last night. Well, I know,

1641
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: but now I got thinking Seth. I hear him calling, Well,

1642
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: I like that. That'd be us here in to gobbel

1643
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: it be all about me and Seth here in to

1644
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: go Seth. I hear him calling. I like that. I

1645
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: like that better than the fleshing. Yeah. I'm just in

1646
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: a Turkey state of mind right now. It's coming. It's

1647
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna be sweeping. I get that song written up. Jesse

1648
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 1: is gonna help me with it. The creative projects just

1649
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: flow around here and put some chords in there. So

1650
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: then also when you get working at it, work up

1651
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: a jingle for Yanni's Mingus update. Okay, yours will be

1652
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Mingus mingas Mingus. Don't make it that they're all the same. Well,

1653
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: I'll let Clay speak to it more because Clay has

1654
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: got more experienced so he can see what my dog

1655
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: didn't learned. But two set it up. Mingus has been

1656
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: trained a little bit with uh one live con and

1657
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: a dead coon in Montana, maybe four days total, and

1658
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: uh he got to trail one and he fought one

1659
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then we shot it out

1660
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: of a tree. And um, you know you got to

1661
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: smell it a little bit when it was when it

1662
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: was not that much exposure, with not much, not much,

1663
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: And he's been at two lion trees. Now he's been

1664
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: on quite a few more hunts, but my hunts just

1665
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: haven't been panted out, so he hasn't actually gotten to

1666
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: run a lot of tracks. So I wanted to bring

1667
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: him down here for this so you get some more experience. Well,

1668
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: first of all, for the houndsmen out there, or the

1669
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: non hounsmen, Mingus is a and I'm not just saying

1670
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,640
Speaker 1: this because I don't just walk around telling people they

1671
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: got good looking hounds. That's just not a compliment you

1672
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: throw around too lightly. But Vengus is like big, old,

1673
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: handsome looking dog. It really is. For a hound, handsome

1674
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: looking dog, loud are most hound is known to be ugly.

1675
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're not always pretty, and I'm being serious,

1676
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 1: they're working dog. What sentence would sound more familiar to you?

1677
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: And up on the porch is ugly old hound dog,

1678
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: or and up on the porch it's a beautiful old

1679
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: hound dog. Ugly like something you wouldn't You don't really,

1680
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really call a hound beautiful. You might call

1681
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: him handsome Regal or you know, I'm just like Regal Eagle. Yeah, no,

1682
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: it really when I saw him, I'd seen him when

1683
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,560
Speaker 1: he was younger back in Montana, you know, when he

1684
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: was just kind of a pup, maybe three quarter grown.

1685
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: But boy's a big old dog. And uh in a

1686
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 1: pound puppy pound. Yeah, you honest got him from a pound.

1687
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: Didn't know anything about him, so we we don't know

1688
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: the daughters picked him up. This. This is what would

1689
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: be interesting about mingus to me is that John's doesn't

1690
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: know any history of this dog. Like my dogs, I

1691
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,919
Speaker 1: would be able to tell you back to about seventeen

1692
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: fifty their lineage. And I'm sort of being serious, uh

1693
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: like you know, you just know so much. Uh, this dog,

1694
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: we don't know anything. But yann say he's gonna bring

1695
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: the dog. Um I didn't. I mean I was all

1696
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: for it. I didn't think the dog would do much,

1697
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: not because he's a bad dog, just because he was

1698
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: coming to a new environment. He's gonna be with new dogs,

1699
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a new territory, running something he's not

1700
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 1: familiar with. And uh and he's just yeah, he's a pup,

1701
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: he's a how old is he Yeah, and anything under

1702
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: two years old, and a hunting dog would be kind

1703
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 1: of considered a young dog, and he might be out

1704
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 1: of the puppy stage. You might be into a young

1705
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: dog stage. They're pretty pliable until they're about two two

1706
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: and a half years old. You got a lot of

1707
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 1: room to train and such. But the dog, we cast

1708
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: the dogs with my dogs, and uh, I mean he

1709
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: went hunting, which number one, that's a good thing. He

1710
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 1: didn't just stay at our feet the whole time. Yeah,

1711
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 1: he'd go away the hell off and that That's one

1712
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: of the main things I'm looking for is just drive

1713
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: to go, you know, because you know my dog go

1714
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: back to the truck. Well, you kept saying, you kept

1715
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 1: making the joke of when you'd see a dog that

1716
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 1: was doing that. What's the joke? What's the line? I remember? Oh,

1717
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: you're always saying like, oh me, it's is just over

1718
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: there standing there thinking like un yeah, Fern. Every now

1719
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 1: and then it comes back and she'll hear jed bark

1720
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: out there four hundred yards and she'll just perk up

1721
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: and listen like she's so proud of him. She's just

1722
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 1: like like, man, she loves hearing a good coon race

1723
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 1: and then yeah, so so we cast the dog um

1724
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: And what I was most impressed with was the first

1725
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: night my dogs went I think eight hundred yards, which

1726
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: is essentially half a mile intreed, so solid, and we're

1727
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 1: going to the tree. And my dogs are not big dogs.

1728
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: These in my plots are not loud like they're just

1729
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: average and a lot of things which is not factors

1730
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm that worried about. And we hear like the volume

1731
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: and you can you said it to Saith, the volume

1732
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: of noise coming from that tree like tripled. Oh it's right,

1733
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you guys can hear it would be like this would

1734
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 1: be like two. I mean, it's just like we thought.

1735
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: They had turned around and came towards us, and and

1736
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: essentially Mangus went to him and started treeing, which which

1737
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: to me, that's what I was impressed with, its tree instinct,

1738
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: that he didn't see them, just that he has the

1739
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 1: idea that you stand here, put your feet on the tree,

1740
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: chew on the bark, make a rucus, and don't leave you.

1741
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: You don't know how special that is unless you're you're

1742
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: after a tree dog, and you see all the ones

1743
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: that won't do that, even ones that are bred to

1744
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: do that that don't do it very well well. And

1745
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: the reason I have some now understanding of why it's

1746
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: it is something whether especially or not, I don't know,

1747
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: but you know it wasn't but probably I don't know.

1748
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 1: In December sometimes so to three months ago, we're at

1749
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: a tree with three other dogs that are treeing, barking

1750
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 1: nuts and there's a lion in the tree and Mingus

1751
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: is walking around and wanting to play grab bass with

1752
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the dogs and just kind of wagging his tail and

1753
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: like not putting two and two together at all, you

1754
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I remember you're saying you were

1755
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: trying to make him look up the tree, and someone

1756
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: told you that don't work. Yeah, So like, yeah, even

1757
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: though there was ah, we knew it was a very

1758
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 1: because on a on a lion when you come up

1759
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: to that tree, that lion ran into that tree. Like

1760
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 1: a coon might have been there for half an hour, right,

1761
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 1: but a lion has been there for minutes by the

1762
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 1: time those dogs get there, you know, I mean, it

1763
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: happens like that. And uh, even with that, he just

1764
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: would like kind of put a pop up on the tree.

1765
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: But there was no barking. He's just kind of like,

1766
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: so what what turned him around on that? They just click, man,

1767
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: They just they just well eventually, yeah, So that the

1768
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: next time, the lion was a little bit lower on

1769
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: an exposed branch where you could just see the whole cat.

1770
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: And the hill was so steep when you backed ten

1771
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 1: yards off the tree, you're almost eye level with it.

1772
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 1: And he was kind of just walking around and looking looking.

1773
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: The other dogs are barking. That's when I grabbed his

1774
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: head and I pointed it up there. I felt his

1775
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: head quiver for a moment as he locked on, and

1776
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 1: then he almost blew my hands on. Yeah. Yeah. And

1777
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 1: when when Menga says, guys, guys, there's a cat in

1778
01:45:44,960 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 1: a tree, he goes, it's but I was. I was

1779
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: just impressed they did that. And so you wouldn't you.

1780
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 1: So if you, if you imagine your own honor as

1781
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: a man, clay, you wouldn't shine your honest up just

1782
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 1: for the sake of sparing his feelings. I really wouldn't.

1783
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: I now what I want to qualify. I've tried to

1784
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 1: be encouraging to your honest because a child, no, no, no, no,

1785
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 1: I just know there's a lot of people that if

1786
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: your dog does something good, they wouldn't tell you it

1787
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 1: was good if it was the best dog in the world.

1788
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: And I'm just not gonna be that guy. You know.

1789
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, the dogs are doing good. I don't

1790
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 1: want to say that. Like, there's so many other components

1791
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: that make a whole balanced hound. That's just one of them,

1792
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: and he's got it good. So there's all like So

1793
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 1: that doesn't just mean because I say he's a good

1794
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: tree dog. It means that Mingus is gonna be the

1795
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: best lion hound in the West. There's a lot of

1796
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: other factors that come in that are gonna determine like

1797
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: his end goal. But for a pound dog that's been

1798
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 1: your yard dog, I mean I was totally impressed. I mean,

1799
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: my dog that I've got out here that's the same

1800
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: age as Mingus, that we did not hunt, um that

1801
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 1: was bred specifically. I mean, it's out of my fern.

1802
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 1: Dog won't won't do that. So I mean I'm just

1803
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: saying you're hoping it will. Yeah, it will at some point.

1804
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: It just hadn't yet. But so I'm not trying to

1805
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 1: shine him, but I've just impressed with a dog. Well, look,

1806
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 1: we ure we as a team Mingus got benched to

1807
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: you yesterday because it was I'll tell you that I'm

1808
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: not afraid to hurt his feelings, because I actually wanted

1809
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 1: to talk to you about that in private to make

1810
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: sure you didn't think it's being a jerk. I understood.

1811
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,679
Speaker 1: I would tell this, you tell me if I mess

1812
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: it up. The dogs are struggling on a couple of

1813
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: tracks that were hard to sort out, and Mingus being

1814
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: impressionable as a young youngster and liking all that excitement.

1815
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:58,759
Speaker 1: The dogs would come in and they check some trees

1816
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure it out, and Mingus would

1817
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 1: be like, there it is. It must be in the tree.

1818
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: And then he gets worked up and they're like, well,

1819
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 1: it must be in the tree because look at him.

1820
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 1: He's why would he be that excited? And then it

1821
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,799
Speaker 1: sets off a false tree, and I, Yeahni, I wouldn't

1822
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: have known that except for when I walked away from

1823
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: At one point, I walked away from the guys, and

1824
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 1: I walked in there and I watched fern on my

1825
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 1: garmen come down make a certain it's in the dark.

1826
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm just watching a garment and listening with my one

1827
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: good ear, and I hear Fern locate bark like once

1828
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 1: or twice, make a couple of tight circles, and then

1829
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: move on. Mingus comes out and I don't have him

1830
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 1: on my garment, but Mingus comes down, gets to the

1831
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 1: same spot Fern was and just just starts treating like crazy.

1832
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 1: Fern pedals around for probably five or six minutes out here, hunting,

1833
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 1: trying to work the actual track out, and then Jed

1834
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: here's Mingus and Jed's three yards away. He comes to

1835
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 1: the tree and Jed's like, oh, it's here. He starts treeing,

1836
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 1: and then Ferns like, well, dog on Mingus and jet

1837
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 1: or treeing over there here. I am like, some sucker, yeah,

1838
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,680
Speaker 1: and so and that's a fault of my dog. And

1839
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to say last night. I wasn't

1840
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,759
Speaker 1: trying to make an excuse for my dogs slick treying

1841
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: essentially like tree and where there is not a coon,

1842
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 1: because it's like, and that's just whatever. They just did it.

1843
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 1: You know. You know, Yanni's honorable man himself, and he's

1844
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: a growing up. I don't think you hurt his feelings. Yeah,

1845
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 1: but I didn't want it to sound like did he

1846
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 1: strike he was being diminished and hurt last night, seth oh, No,

1847
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 1: you thought Yanni took like a man. I thought it

1848
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: was he was taking as like, this is more valuable

1849
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: for my dog to do this right. Well. And the

1850
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 1: thing is, if we hunted together two or three nights

1851
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 1: a week, it wouldn't be any big deal. I would probably,

1852
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean just but we were we kind of had

1853
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: a mission we had to accomplish, which was Tria coon

1854
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 1: and and it just it was just another factor. And

1855
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 1: then we could even go deeper on why my dogs

1856
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:17,679
Speaker 1: are more susceptible to honoring another dog, which is true.

1857
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 1: My my dogs away their bread. If they hear another

1858
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 1: dog bark, they're probably gonna go to them. A more

1859
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: independent bredhound would hear mingus barking would be who cares,

1860
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to find my own coin. Yeah, Clay was

1861
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: talking about in uh coon hunting contests where you like,

1862
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: basically it's a it's a dog handling, like a display

1863
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 1: of dog handling that they might put out multiple dogs

1864
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: that are competing against one another, and they each gotta

1865
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 1: find their own thing. And you gotta get a dog

1866
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't care what's going on that he's in a

1867
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 1: silo not like a group thing, but in other kinds

1868
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 1: of hunting you want that group aspect. So in big

1869
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: game hunting, it takes more than one dog to tree,

1870
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 1: a bear, a lion, and so you want a dog

1871
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: that one we call it honor will honor another dog.

1872
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: And uh, my dogs come from a long lineage of

1873
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 1: big game hounds. So they're not they have not been

1874
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,439
Speaker 1: influenced by the competition coon world, because they could breathe that.

1875
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: They got a pack mentality. Yeah, so they hear mingus

1876
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 1: and they're like going to him, so and that and that.

1877
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 1: So what happens when guy's dogs struggle? And I was frustrated,

1878
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:25,600
Speaker 1: I really was. I mean, you guys come all the

1879
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: way down here to go coon on with me, and

1880
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, we'll treat all the kind of

1881
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 1: coons and then we can't treat coon. I'm frustrated. And

1882
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm not frustrated at mingus for you. I'm really not,

1883
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 1: but I just I see what's happening, and I'm like,

1884
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: probably the best holding back. What I thought was fun

1885
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 1: to watch because it's on such a micro scale, is

1886
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: watching the when you when you're in your body, head

1887
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 1: out the four squirrel dogs, and there's no leaves on

1888
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: the trees, so you see pretty far all the woods,

1889
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 1: and a lot of times you kind of know where

1890
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 1: they're all at and wanted to hit a tree liked,

1891
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 1: and just watching those other ones like yeah, let's go

1892
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 1: come running from all directions to join that one of

1893
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: the tree was kind of fun, man, And I won't lie.

1894
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: It's like, it's no fun to get taken out of

1895
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: the game. No different you're in a basketball game and

1896
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: you know you're taken out. You want to be in

1897
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: the game, and now you don't. You're just sitting there

1898
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 1: like trying to hang onto the seventy pound beasts trying

1899
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: to yanke you through the woods. But I told you

1900
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 1: that the first night, or maybe the second night, I said, Man,

1901
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 1: if I could just hear him bark out in the

1902
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 1: woods one time on like what we think is a

1903
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 1: coon track or a coon tree, like, I'll consider this

1904
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: trip of success. So when I thought that through, I

1905
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: was like, man, we're like, we blew that goal out

1906
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 1: of the water. You know, I've got a question for it.

1907
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 1: You know, you're saying, how competition dogs are good? When

1908
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,600
Speaker 1: they get him out of the truck, they get on

1909
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 1: sent and tree quick. Do you think Mingus would be

1910
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 1: a good competition dog because he does lockdown in tree

1911
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: or you know what I'm saying in I see what

1912
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 1: you're saying. And I don't think that we have enough

1913
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 1: data points to like say that for sure, because there's

1914
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: other things. I mean, like my dogs will go out

1915
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 1: and tree a coon quick and lockdown on a tree

1916
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: if there's a fresh coon track there, you know, I mean, like, uh,

1917
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: we saw kind of an atypical series of coon hunts

1918
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: this week because of the extreme temperatures and whatnot. Oh

1919
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know on that extreme temperature point, um

1920
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 1: that what's interesting as hell. We're all squirrel hunting and

1921
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:42,719
Speaker 1: ridge pounder finds like it looked like a taxidermy robin

1922
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 1: laying on the ground, not a ruffled feather on it.

1923
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: They're like, what the hell is that all about? Like

1924
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 1: no broken neck, nothing, And last night what we find

1925
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 1: three frolls of death woodpeckers laying there like completely completely fine,

1926
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 1: Like anytime you find a burden woods. He looks roughed

1927
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 1: up generally like it's some way roughed up, just like

1928
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 1: like you've gassed it in a bag. And and and

1929
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: laid it out on the forest floor. I just got

1930
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 1: froze out negative twenty or whatever. Fayettville got killing all

1931
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 1: these migrat killing like migratory like killing birds that are.

1932
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 1: There was a dead bird wrapped by my house. I

1933
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: didn't tell you all that, but the morning I was

1934
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 1: skinning squirrels after our first day, there was a hat.

1935
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he was alive laying there. I kind of

1936
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 1: nudged him and they I could tell he was going down. Yeah,

1937
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 1: those woodpeckers like froze to death all of the same

1938
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: vintage too. It was like, oh, he died a month ago.

1939
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: It was like, remember when we went and got coffee

1940
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: the first morning we park. I get out and I

1941
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: couldn't missed it. But you don't think I would miss it,

1942
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,880
Speaker 1: because it's like it's one of those spots on this

1943
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: sidewalk where they've got a little spot cut out. There's

1944
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 1: like a little bit of dirt and a tree growing

1945
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 1: out of it. You know. There was snow tree, well

1946
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:10,280
Speaker 1: whole snow holding there and it was fresh as could be.

1947
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna get coffee and I come back and I

1948
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: opened the door. And as I opened the door, and

1949
01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: I looked to the ground and right there, you know,

1950
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 1: like the door had to swing over the top of

1951
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 1: it is a dead bird. And I was pretty he

1952
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: had a window. But now right mass event, just thinking

1953
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:31,880
Speaker 1: how many we may have cleaned the clean the woodpeckers

1954
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 1: out of this place, or were not just woodpeckers. But

1955
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I bet a lot of birds died. I wouldn't. I

1956
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have picked birds to die. I would have thought

1957
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 1: like rabbits died, you know. And and this this strikes

1958
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: at me personally cause I have an interest there. But

1959
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of nil guy died in Texas. No way,

1960
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: they just aren't built for cold now, h I guess

1961
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 1: it was real hard on seek a deer, no not

1962
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 1: seek as us. A lot of dead access here, a

1963
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 1: lot of dead yoga, a lot of those exotics. Just

1964
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:11,560
Speaker 1: did the book, I mean, when did you start coon

1965
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 1: hunting into the book Where the Red Fern Grows? How

1966
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,640
Speaker 1: did that? Did you read it as a kid? You know,

1967
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't It was influenced. It influenced me, just kind

1968
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 1: of culturally. I can't say that like I read Where

1969
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 1: the Red Fern Grows and wanted to start doing you know,

1970
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I want to start coon hunting but you know, so

1971
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: that book was took place in northeast Oklahoma. If you

1972
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 1: remember in the book tal the city of Talaqua is mentioned.

1973
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 1: That's where Billy Coleman got his dog. Anyway, Talaqua is

1974
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes from here. Yeah, so I mean

1975
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: it's like this is this is coon hunting country. You know.

1976
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: It's funny when I when I was a kid and

1977
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 1: read that book, I didn't really I can I imagine

1978
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 1: the South, but at all it didn't really I didn't

1979
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: think of like a place like this. Yeah, I felt

1980
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,080
Speaker 1: like it was I don't know, but that was the

1981
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 1: first book I read that. I remember that that I

1982
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: that I cried after reading. Really yeah, I just remember

1983
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 1: being like, we're born to be a coon hunter. Rick Smith.

1984
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: You never know, you never know what's gonna happen. Suburbs

1985
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 1: of Bellevue. Come on. There's a there's a marketing thing

1986
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 1: that people use a marketing about touch points, and you

1987
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:24,080
Speaker 1: like to get someone to buy something right there. Oftentimes

1988
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 1: it needs to be six touch like on the average,

1989
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 1: like six touch points, and in marketing you're just trying

1990
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:32,600
Speaker 1: to provide you yet another touch point. You could describe

1991
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 1: where the red Fern grows as perhaps a touch point.

1992
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah in your journey for sure. Read the book. Great movie,

1993
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:46,200
Speaker 1: especially like the nighttime scenes really felt like it was nighttime.

1994
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: Really warms my heart. Are nighttime scenes are going to

1995
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 1: really feel like nighttime. We've got some good stuff next season.

1996
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 1: For all you listeners out there and all the child

1997
01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 1: for all the child performances were stellar. Well, everybody did

1998
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job. Child actors back. Clay and I are

1999
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: going to go out again tonight. Is he back on

2000
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: the Team'na, We're gonna get that. That's what I wanted,

2001
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 1: Gonna bring you out of you out there and make

2002
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 1: up standard. Trying to restrain that dog, That's what I

2003
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 1: was saying. If there's not anything, we'll just turn him

2004
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: loose tonight on the planet. Man, Poor Yanni stand here

2005
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: trying to restrain that. I want to say, your son

2006
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 1: Bear and I we have a plan. That dog crying

2007
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 1: because he can't go out. No, Hey, it means the

2008
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 1: world to me. You guys came to Darkansas for real,

2009
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean like for real. To my family, Thanks for

2010
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 1: having us, Thanks down here. Wouldn't miss it. Thank you everybody,