WEBVTT - The Georgia Guidestones: The Elite Have a Laugh

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry's here to the whole gang.

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<v Speaker 1>And this makes this an official episode of the Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>You Should Know. Please disregard some previous ones where it

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<v Speaker 1>was just me and Chuck. Just disregard him. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even listen to them, And if you have listened to them,

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<v Speaker 1>actively forget what you learned. Have you ever seen before well,

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<v Speaker 1>let'sen not reveal what's happened. Did you ever see the

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia guidestones. I was a bit of a schlub and

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<v Speaker 1>assume that I would just be able to some other time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>did you No? I never had any interest. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like passionately interested, but I thought i'd be kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I looked on a map. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where they are. I don't really feel like going

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<v Speaker 1>over there, so I'm just going to put it off

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<v Speaker 1>and put it off. I always thought it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of silly, and I still do even more so probably,

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<v Speaker 1>but sure it's fun to talk about. No, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is um I think if you don't take

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<v Speaker 1>it as partially silly. You are being a little too serious.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's also not to say like they were intended

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<v Speaker 1>and as any sort of joke or with any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of silliness. I think the earnestness with which they were

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<v Speaker 1>put up, along with the earnestness which with which some

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<v Speaker 1>people took them, that's what really kind of makes it silly.

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<v Speaker 1>From like an outside observer's point of view, I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. And what we're talking about are what's known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Georgia Guide Stones a k a. America's Stonehenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Are are ancient, going all the way back to the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties. That's why I always thought it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of silly anytime they say like something sort of hyperbolic

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like this is our stone hinge erected in

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<v Speaker 1>right circa forty two years before present? What is that? Ghostbusters?

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<v Speaker 1>There's six years before Ghostbusters? Oh we are we doing

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<v Speaker 1>that again? No? Maybe just this one time, you know, okay? Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I get why they call them America's Stonehenge though, because

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<v Speaker 1>they look a bit like Stonehenge, these giant granite slabs

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<v Speaker 1>uh set on end with cap stones and such. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe we should go back now. That we've

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<v Speaker 1>at least told people what the heck these things are.

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<v Speaker 1>They're inscribed with words. Uh. And that's all we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you for now, and then let's go back and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the history, because the story of it is is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting, I think, definitely interesting. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of mystery that was um purposefully I think,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of generated around the whole thing, and that mystery

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<v Speaker 1>starts at the very beginning when a guy named R. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian showed up in Alberton, Georgia. I believe it's the

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<v Speaker 1>county seat of albert County, which is in the I

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<v Speaker 1>think extreme east of Georgia, close to the South Carolina border. Correct. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's about thirty five miles sort of east and

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<v Speaker 1>north of Athens, Georgia, which is, if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where Athens is out there, it's about a hundred miles

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<v Speaker 1>Athens isn't But Elberton itself is about a hundred miles

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<v Speaker 1>north and east of Atlanta, so it's headed towards South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like on the border. Okay, And for

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<v Speaker 1>those who aren't familiar with Atlanta, chuck, how far is

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta from? Uh? From Montgomery, Alabama. Oh boy, let me

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<v Speaker 1>get up my map. So it's in the east of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in as One, I think the publisher of the

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<v Speaker 1>local paper put it. It's as rural as rural can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, there's like at the time that all this

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<v Speaker 1>happened nineteen seventy nine, when Narci Christians showed up, there

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<v Speaker 1>were not even six thousand people in the whole town,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thousand people in the entire county. And it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the kind of place where there are probably more

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<v Speaker 1>cows than people at the time. Yeah, I mean, Athens

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<v Speaker 1>is a great city and a great call down and

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<v Speaker 1>there's some the classic city uh and there are some

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<v Speaker 1>great little uh towns outside of Athens, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>they're small towns in the further creep outside of Athens

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<v Speaker 1>against superbural. Have you ever been to Madison, Georgia? Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Madison is great. It's gorgeous. Man, it is just this

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<v Speaker 1>hidden littles And yeah, okay, So back to Alberton, right

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<v Speaker 1>and R. C. Christian in particular summer of nineteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and he shows up in Alberton and probably stuck out

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<v Speaker 1>like a sore thumb he wore a very expensive suit.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a certain air of refinement around him. He

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be a little erudite. And he showed up.

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<v Speaker 1>He presented himself at the offices of Alberton Granite Finishing Company.

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<v Speaker 1>And we should tell you a little bit about Albert

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<v Speaker 1>County and Alberton in particular. They consider themselves the granite

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<v Speaker 1>capital of the world, and they make a pretty good case.

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<v Speaker 1>They are apparently sitting on some of the finest granite

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<v Speaker 1>in the world in in like right, in like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>different quarries in the air. You so, if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get something done in granted, say like America's Stonehenge,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where you would logically show up. And R. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian did show up, and he talked to the president

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<v Speaker 1>of Alberton Grant Efficient Finishing Company, Joe Finley, who welcomed

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<v Speaker 1>him with open arms and got on board immediately. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think Joe Finley, as he probably should

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<v Speaker 1>have been, was a little um well, he was two things.

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<v Speaker 1>A like you said, he was impressed with this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of finely dressed, intelligent gentleman, but he was also once

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<v Speaker 1>he started to hear what this gentleman wanted a little

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<v Speaker 1>wary of him and thought, all right, this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>a little weird to me here in Elberton, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of crackpot because Mr Christian, who we would

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<v Speaker 1>find out that's a pseudonym, uh, said, I represent a

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<v Speaker 1>small group of loyal Americans and I would like on

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<v Speaker 1>their behalf to be the liaison to commission a massive

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<v Speaker 1>structure built out of these huge granite stones that will

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<v Speaker 1>be here for millions of years. Irony upcoming just put

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<v Speaker 1>it been in that and it was for the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of guiding humanity after the apocalypse. And Finley was like,

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<v Speaker 1>m you said a little strange to me in his head,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's what I'll do. I'll do it for this price.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I mean, he named a very

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<v Speaker 1>expensive price, apparently a few times higher than anything he'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever worked on. And I think it was probably in

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<v Speaker 1>part because it was one of the bigger jobs he'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever worked on, and and there may have been a

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<v Speaker 1>little city boy, country boy thing where he was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can take this guy for some money. Yeah. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it was far and away the biggest project that the

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<v Speaker 1>Alberton had ever seen. The next biggest project was the

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<v Speaker 1>town's bicentennial memorial fountain that they put in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the town, which is nothing to sneeze at, but

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<v Speaker 1>compared to these Georgia stone projects, it's yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little aputian um. Compared to the Georgia guidestones, it's it

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<v Speaker 1>is you could sneeze all over it. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big project. So it was smart that he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I need a lot of money for this um, because

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up needing a lot of money for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get the impression that he made out pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well too. Yeah, so uh, Finley of the rock Query said,

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<v Speaker 1>go see my buddy, Whyatt Martin, he's the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the local bank here, the Granite City Bank, and go

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him about how we can finance this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And Finley called ahead apparently and told Martin, like, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy coming over as a little cookie, but you ought

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<v Speaker 1>to see the suit just way, which is way to

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<v Speaker 1>you smell. The guy so fine and he's so intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>And Martin apparently was also impressed with the guy as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the point in the story where um,

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<v Speaker 1>we learned that Wyatt Martin, of the president of this bank,

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<v Speaker 1>is basically the only person who ever learned the truth

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<v Speaker 1>about who R. C. Christian really was, because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do banking and do this sort of high profile transactions, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>with pseudonyms. So he tells him his real name, but said,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the deal, man, I gotta we gotta keep this quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>I can never be known. Who I'm doing this on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of can never be known. And you gotta promise

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<v Speaker 1>me you're never gonna tell anyone. And once we get

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff done and it's settled, you gotta you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta burn all these documents so it can remain a secret. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean he chose the right guy to confide

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<v Speaker 1>and because Wyatt Martin later said in an interview I

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<v Speaker 1>think in two thousand thirteen that even if you put

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<v Speaker 1>a gun to his head, he wouldn't tell you the

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<v Speaker 1>actual I love that part, right, the ideality. Sure, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on board. Yeah, he really, he really went full board.

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<v Speaker 1>From everything that I've ever read, he didn't even tell

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, like he just took the secret to his grave.

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<v Speaker 1>He died I think in um and uh he never

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<v Speaker 1>told a single person. And so after that um RC

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<v Speaker 1>Christian went back to the Alberton Granite finishing company gave

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Finley a U shoebox with like a little wooden

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<v Speaker 1>model of what they were looking for, with some Fisher

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<v Speaker 1>Price people in there for scale, and then there was

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<v Speaker 1>like ten pages of instructions that were that were accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>at and he said to Finley, Uh, you'll never see

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<v Speaker 1>me again. But he did keep in touch with Martin

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<v Speaker 1>because Martin agreed to be his and then in turn

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<v Speaker 1>that group of sponsors representative overseeing the project as as

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the money man and so um. They

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<v Speaker 1>ended up becoming pen pals over the years. They kept

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<v Speaker 1>in touch, um, and they would go to dinner every

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<v Speaker 1>once in a while UM in Athens. Uh. And yeah

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<v Speaker 1>they were. They got to be pretty close actually, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time it was just Martin who was running

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and just Finley, who was the only other

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<v Speaker 1>person who had knowingly met this RC Christian guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I waited tables in Athens during the years

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<v Speaker 1>of I guess that was probably And I always wondered,

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<v Speaker 1>like that I served this guy one night. Could I

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<v Speaker 1>have met this mysterious stranger. I do remember a man

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<v Speaker 1>that smelled really nice in a soup one time, MEXICALI

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<v Speaker 1>girl did you. Yeah, did you ever serve a stone

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<v Speaker 1>silver fox in like a nice suit once with another

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<v Speaker 1>guy who seemed to be a bank president. I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and he he signed his name anonymous so on this check.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was very very weird. Like that seems suspicious,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's college, so I don't care. But here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very big job for this company. Like

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, um, these stones were not small like you said.

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<v Speaker 1>They ended up having to jackhammer fourteen feet into the

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<v Speaker 1>pyramid quarry quarry, which is it quarry Corey? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>I always say like k w O R r y quarry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because query sounds like a query that you said someone.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the way arc Christian probably said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah query. I don't know why I said it southern,

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<v Speaker 1>because we really have no idea where he was from.

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<v Speaker 1>He could have been from Boss and for all I know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have potentially an idea. Well that's true, would have

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<v Speaker 1>been in that too. Uh. So they had to jackhammer

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<v Speaker 1>down fourteen ft Uh. They had to use a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>foot tall crane uh to put these stones where they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to go. And they needed a location, and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out there was a local I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>he was a real farmer, but he had cattle at

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<v Speaker 1>least in a lot of land. And it was a

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<v Speaker 1>point at the highest elevation in the county. Um. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, some big mountain or anything, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty flat land over there, but it is the highest

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<v Speaker 1>elevation and very importantly had really clear views um all

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<v Speaker 1>around it. Because that'll come into play with sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of what these things. What they ended up

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<v Speaker 1>needing them for. Uh. And so we got five acres

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<v Speaker 1>for five grand and said here, you and your family

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<v Speaker 1>forever more can still graze your cattle here. I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to put these guide stones up. Yeah. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think the guy, the guy he bought it from,

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<v Speaker 1>his name was mullen Ax and he wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 1>straight up farmer. He was a contract or and part

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<v Speaker 1>of the deal was his company got to um build

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<v Speaker 1>the base that the whole thing was put on. Just

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<v Speaker 1>to swen Yeah, there's like a molinex Ford. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way they're not related. Somehow, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to school some mullonexis. You never know. Well look

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<v Speaker 1>him up, chuck on Facebook, friend them and get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this mystery. I'm not on Facebook. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to send a letter via carrier pigeon like I

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<v Speaker 1>used to. There there's one other thing I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to point out real quick, like this, we said that

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<v Speaker 1>this project was the biggest that this this county had

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<v Speaker 1>ever undertaken, and it served as like a point of

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<v Speaker 1>civic pride from like that point on, Like, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>how anybody in town felt about the guidestones themselves, they

0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:48.360
<v Speaker 1>were probably prideful about the amazing job that this this county.

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<v Speaker 1>The workers in this county came together to produce when

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<v Speaker 1>they were called upon to do so. That was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>part of it because it was a huge, massive undertaking.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also not only does do you have like

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<v Speaker 1>hats off to the people of Albert County for having

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<v Speaker 1>done this, think about people who used to quarry stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>like the people who made Stonehenge without like hundred foot

0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.440
<v Speaker 1>cranes and jackhammers to go fourteen feet into the ground

0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's just mind boggling when you think of

0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.480
<v Speaker 1>it like that too. Absolutely uh. And as far as

0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Albert County goes, they got a a genuine tourist attraction

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<v Speaker 1>which they didn't have before and so this was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the reasons apparently that Christian picked this

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<v Speaker 1>spot because he kind of figured and was right that

0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.800
<v Speaker 1>they would be prideful and kind of take care of it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently he had some ancestors that were from the region

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<v Speaker 1>to um. But he also said, you know, our wishes

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe one day the people of Albert County will

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<v Speaker 1>come together or maybe just conservationist in general and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and do some more big stone rings around this thing. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That never happened. He never got that wish, But like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, they did take care of very good care

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, and like he helped he helped established

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<v Speaker 1>that by by transferring the rights to that land over

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<v Speaker 1>to the people of Albert County, so that that was

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<v Speaker 1>like they would have even more pride in it because

0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.800
<v Speaker 1>they owned it. It was public land. From that point on,

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<v Speaker 1>should we take a break, Um, Yeah, let's take a break,

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<v Speaker 1>and well then we'll talk about the monument, right, yeah,

0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's about it's about to get a little sinister

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<v Speaker 1>right after this stop. Maybe I overstated it doesn't quite

0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.280
<v Speaker 1>get sinister. Uh, But from the beginning of this project,

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<v Speaker 1>the local townsfolk, while prideful, there were some that were

0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a little worried about it, and this said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're out in the country and Georgia like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nineteen seventy, Like, what do you mean you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>build this big monument? This sounds to me like, you know,

0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the occult or the work of the devil or something.

0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And there was a sandblaster that worked on the job

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<v Speaker 1>named Charlie Clamp who will come up a little bit later,

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<v Speaker 1>but he, for one, said that when he was working

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<v Speaker 1>on carving these characters in the stone, that he heard

0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:15.200
<v Speaker 1>strange music and disjointed voices. Uh. And you know, once

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<v Speaker 1>these things were up, apparently some some Wiccans and some

0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Pagans did come out and do like some dancing and

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<v Speaker 1>chanting every now and then, which I'm sure was very harmless,

0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.120
<v Speaker 1>but would spook the locals. Oh yeah, I mean good lord. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think it happened almost immediately, like this thing

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<v Speaker 1>went up in March of eighty. I think like the

0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta pagan community had adopted by there's like public land,

0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.200
<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do? Exactly? So another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>makes this whole feat um so amazing is that you

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<v Speaker 1>know R. C. Christians showed up with the idea in

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of nineteen seventy nine, and they dedicated the

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<v Speaker 1>thing on March twenty second night, two days after the

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<v Speaker 1>Spring equinox. No, that is fast turnaround, because not only

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<v Speaker 1>did they have to were it, they had to do

0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other stuff to it. These are not

0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:09.320
<v Speaker 1>schlubby slabs. Slubby they are, they were. They were pretty neat.

0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.760
<v Speaker 1>They required a lot of extra work. Rather than just

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<v Speaker 1>quarrying and cutting and polishing. There was more too, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there. Yeah. Absolutely, Uh, they had a big grand opening.

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<v Speaker 1>There were you know, quite a few people, like three,

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<v Speaker 1>three or four hundred folks apparently showed up for the christening.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, like you said, it was, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. They were um, not only large, Uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>were you know, very I believe, like nineteen feet tall each.

0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that how tall they stood? Yeah, which is I mean,

0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that's taller than Stonehenge. So take that England Stonehenge, take

0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that ancient people's uh so nineteen tall. They weighed about

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<v Speaker 1>close to a hundred and twenty tons and like we

0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.880
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, four thousands sand blasted letters and characters about

0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.640
<v Speaker 1>four inches high. Piece that we'll get to what these

0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.080
<v Speaker 1>all said. But they're also some cool strological features, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So um, Fendley went to the University of Georgia and said,

0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I need an astronomer because I'm being asked to do

0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.399
<v Speaker 1>some stuff that I do not know how to do.

0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.560
<v Speaker 1>UM and the guide stones were considered a clock, calendar,

0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and compass, all kind of ingeniously built into one because

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<v Speaker 1>you've got those four slabs that were arranged in an X.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, there's a center stone known as the

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<v Speaker 1>nomen stone, and then on top of it all is

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<v Speaker 1>a capstone, a square capstone that covered the nomen and

0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.240
<v Speaker 1>parts of all four of the other slabs that radiated

0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.679
<v Speaker 1>out from the nomen And so they had UM you

0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.240
<v Speaker 1>could tell what day of the year it was, and

0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that it was noon. Um you could see the um

0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.840
<v Speaker 1>summer solstice, and I believe the winter solstice as well.

0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Like the x is were the like the X or

0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.359
<v Speaker 1>the edges of the X word position so that it

0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.680
<v Speaker 1>followed the sun or the moon's migration annual migration across

0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.199
<v Speaker 1>the sky. There was a lot going on that like

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<v Speaker 1>the average person, including Fendley, could not just just you know,

0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.119
<v Speaker 1>guess at it needed to be really precise. Yeah. Absolutely,

0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.960
<v Speaker 1>they're cutting these holes basically, uh, and these little slots

0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.560
<v Speaker 1>all around this thing to where you can peek through

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and see those uh sun rises and things during the solstice, uh,

0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.119
<v Speaker 1>winter and summer. You can look through one hole and

0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.679
<v Speaker 1>look at the North Star. So, like you said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>super exact. Um. There was a plaque on site that

0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.439
<v Speaker 1>listed R. C. Christian as the author of these words,

0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.359
<v Speaker 1>and it said a small group of Americans who seek

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<v Speaker 1>the age of reason. Uh, And then basically says, there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a time capsule here, here's where the time capsule is.

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.240
<v Speaker 1>And they left this central message that said, let these

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.840
<v Speaker 1>be guidestones to an age of reason. And that was

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:59.399
<v Speaker 1>in Egyptian hierocliphics, Babylonian Cuneiform, Classical Greek, and Sanskrit. And

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.200
<v Speaker 1>then it lists did and we're gonna read these out,

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:09.200
<v Speaker 1>but it listed ten guides and eight different languages Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew, English, Russian, Hindi, Spanish,

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and Swahili. Yeah. And so each side of those four

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<v Speaker 1>slabs that radiated from the Noman the center stone had

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a language, so that all all four had two languages

0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.439
<v Speaker 1>on each side, right, and in English these were what

0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 1>these these rules or guidelines or guides, however you want

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<v Speaker 1>to call them, that were inscribed on the stone. What

0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>they said? The first one, chuck, was maintained humanity under

0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:41.720
<v Speaker 1>five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature. You here's

0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.280
<v Speaker 1>another one. If you don't like that one, you're not

0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna like this one either, Guide reproduction wisely improving fitness

0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and diversity. Yeah problematic? Okay, Well how about this one.

0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:58.120
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna love this. Unite humanity with a living new language. Uh,

0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it could be problematic unless we're sucking. Uh. What is

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that one language we did on the years ago? Esperano? Esperanto?

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Did we do one on? I think we did a

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:09.920
<v Speaker 1>video on it. I don't think we ever did this,

0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 1>did we do? Yeah? It gets confusing once you get

0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.560
<v Speaker 1>back to two thousand eleven twelve, that kind of thing.

0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:17.920
<v Speaker 1>We were all confused. Shall I go on? Or you

0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.440
<v Speaker 1>want to take over? Go ahead? This is fun? Okay Um.

0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 1>The next one says rule, passion, faith, tradition, and all

0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:31.080
<v Speaker 1>things with tempered reason. Down with that protect down meaning

0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.560
<v Speaker 1>like you're down with it or down the opposite. I'm

0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.719
<v Speaker 1>down with it. No, that sounds great. Up with that.

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm down with that. Protect people in nations with fair

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.920
<v Speaker 1>laws and just courts. Sure, who wouldn't let all nations

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:49.040
<v Speaker 1>rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court. M

0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that sounds a little creepy potentially. The next one is

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<v Speaker 1>something the libertarian and all of us can appreciate, avoid

0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.840
<v Speaker 1>petty laws and useless officials. I love that one. I

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:07.440
<v Speaker 1>wonder what that sounds like in HINDI. Uh, drain the swamp. Right.

0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>There's also balanced personal rights with social duties. It's a

0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>great one too, if you balance it correctly. Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>next one is prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the infinite. Pretty new ag. Yeah, I like it though.

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<v Speaker 1>And then be not a cancer on Earth, Leave room

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.679
<v Speaker 1>for nature, Leave room for nature. And then the last

0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:38.800
<v Speaker 1>one Sabbath rules for the z. I thought you're gonna say,

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Megadeth rules Metallica drules Metallica does not drouble. Well, I

0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 1>thought Megadeth fans didn't like Metallica. I think that old beef. Sure,

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's totally unnecessary because both are great, Okay, especially

0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.720
<v Speaker 1>eighties both were great? How about that? Oh? Sure, yeah,

0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 1>we're yeah, absolutely so what I'm talking about give me

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<v Speaker 1>some credit. Um. So from the beginning, the people that

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.640
<v Speaker 1>heard about this and uh sort of took it as

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe what to do after the apocalypse. But apparently Christian

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>had written a little pamphlet like guide book kind of

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:22.240
<v Speaker 1>thing that talked about, um, not necessarily after the apocalypse,

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 1>but here's how we might can avoid catastrophe more along

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>those lines. Yeah, I found a quote from one of

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.280
<v Speaker 1>the from that book that he wrote that said, we

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.919
<v Speaker 1>are like a fleet of overcrowded lifeboats confronted with an

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 1>approaching tempest. And then he says there are alternatives to armageddon.

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't find out what those alternatives were. Um,

0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.400
<v Speaker 1>but if he didn't provide alternatives, then that's just letting

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 1>everybody's imagination run wild. The other thing that a lot

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 1>of people point out to is that this was These

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:55.679
<v Speaker 1>were inscribed in nineteen smack dab in the middle of

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.639
<v Speaker 1>the Cold War, which at that time had no ending

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>in sight. Um, and a lot of people were very

0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.920
<v Speaker 1>worried about a nuclear winner. So if he did mean

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it like um, you know that that it was meant

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to rebuild humanity after a nuclear war, you can understand

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>how he would have been coming from that way. The

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 1>other way though, makes a lot of sense too, because

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 1>at the time that whole idea that humanity was going

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 1>to keep growing exponentially was really popular. Still. Do you

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.720
<v Speaker 1>remember Zero Population Growth episode where we talked a lot

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 1>about that. Yeah, that that was that big book in

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.200
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight, the population Bomb, which really scared a lot

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.479
<v Speaker 1>of people. Uh, And I don't think we mentioned too that. Um.

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Christian initially said that they had been he and his

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 1>people had been working on this idea for twenty years,

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.480
<v Speaker 1>so it would have been all through the Cold War

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and all through this sort of population scare if he

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:51.399
<v Speaker 1>was telling the truth that they were coming up with

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:55.439
<v Speaker 1>these ideas. But even even though the population bomb came

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>out in night, this this kind of thought was going

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>around because remember our friend Norman Borlog, he saved the

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>world in the nineteen forties, and people were predicting like

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>exponential growth. I mean, Mauthis has been predicting exponential growth

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 1>since the eighteenth century. So the population bomb really kind

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of presented it in stark contrast, um, and it turned

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.160
<v Speaker 1>out to not be correct at all. But at the time, again,

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>people were worried about it. But if you were really

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>into that kind of thing. You were probably at least

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:29.120
<v Speaker 1>a little xenophobic. Um, you're possibly outright racist, and your

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 1>concerns were not about how how fast America's population was growing.

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>You're probably concerned about how fast Bangladesh's population was growing,

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>or how fast some sub Saharan African nations populations were growing.

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.439
<v Speaker 1>And ultimately you might not have said it what that

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>meant for the white race and the white races access

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to all the resources we need to keep being happy. Yeah,

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and you'll see this pop up a little bit throughout

0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>this that some of these notions were possibly guided by um,

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>white supremacy or xenophobia, you know it. It It sort of

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 1>danced around those fringes. Um. Not the least of which

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>was that first, you know, limit the world population to

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 1>five hundred million. Uh that were close to four and

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 1>a half billion people on the planet in nineteen eighties.

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's a pretty drastic reduction. That's an eight percent reduction. Um.

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's a that's a pretty foreboding thing to list

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>as your first guideline, I think, right exactly, it's but yeah,

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>especially if you don't mean it as like a post

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>apocalyptic guide, but something we need to do in the future.

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>That is just downright scary because first of all, that

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>means a lot of people are going to die, but

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 1>also who exactly is calling the shots about who lives

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and who dies and who are these people to to

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 1>say or do something like that. So it takes a

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty large amount of just entitlement in general to

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.919
<v Speaker 1>choose that and then inscribe it as your first guide

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>on some rocks that you leave standing ostensibly for hundreds

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 1>of years. Yeah, and so you couple that with guide

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 1>reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. That's improving fitness is

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.919
<v Speaker 1>sort of the key line that sort of reeks of

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>eugenics obviously, uh. And then also you're not humanity with

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the new living language and the idea of a world court.

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>All these things are sort of ideas that have been

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>bandied about and on the fringes of uh, the Internet

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy minded sites about the new world order and

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>things like that. And we're not going to dive too

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>deep into that world, but suffice to say that these

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>are the kind of alarm bells that are going off

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 1>when certain people read the Georgia guide Stones. Yeah, because

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I couldn't find out who originally interpreted as such.

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>But the Book of Revelations apparently has been interpreted to

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about a world government and be wary of a

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>world government because that's the Antichrist who's going to be

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>leading it, and they will lead you know, the world

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>into darkness and the final fight with God and all

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. So, um, if you read the quotes, you're like,

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't quite know how you got here. But there's

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:01.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who's subscribe to that. So when

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about you know, world courts, that really

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of raised the antenna of some fundamentalists and fringe Christians. Yeah,

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>it's good way to say it, um, But we we

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>can talk about some of the theories as to um,

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe who this group might have been, because again Christian

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>said that he represented a group of people and it

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just like his you know, this idea of some

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, rich billionaire, although you never know it could

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>have been the case because we don't know the truth.

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>But the Rosa Crucians, and I believe we talked about

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>them and one of our episodes at some point really

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>rings a bell. But they were, uh, this society a

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>secret society. Those are always fun. That started in the

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>fifteenth century Germany, and the person who started it may

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>or may not have even existed. It's a gentleman named

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Christian rosen Crates Um may be a fictional human maybe not,

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>but was the founder of the Rosicrucians or the rose

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Cross Society. Yeah so, um, the founder rosenkreuz Um supposedly

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>got together some Turkish Sufi Persian mystical knowledge, put it

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>all in like a nice three ring binder turned to

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>some doctor friends and said, let's form a society based

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>on this mystical knowledge and do all sorts of neat

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like incantations and stuff like that. And I don't know,

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>let's just take over the world while we're at it too.

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And I don't even get the impression that we're a

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 1>certain that any of this ever existed, that it was

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>written about years later, maybe centuries later. Um, but that

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it was possibly one of those things where it was

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>like a self fulfilling prophecy, like new groups actually did

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>establish themselves after the fiction came out. I'm not sure,

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>but um, it definitely did. Whatever those books were that

0:28:55.080 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>introduced Rosicrucianism to Europe, um. They definitely did influence the

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Enlightenment and Enlightenment thinkers, including Thomas Payne and um. Thomas

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Paine is kind of one of the overlooked founding fathers uh,

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and he really was a founding father. He was, um,

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he was, he founded the or, he came up with

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the idea for the Declaration of Independence. He really kind

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of um lobbied for a constitution in America. But he

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>also wrote Age of Reason being an investigation of the

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>True and Fabulous theology. He was a deist and he

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>thought you could use rationalization or rationalism to investigate religion

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and that a lot of it was just superstition. So

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're like a hardcore Christian, you don't really think

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>very highly of Thomas Paine. But the Age of Reason thing,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>remember on the cap stone that said let this be

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a way into the Age of Reason on the guidestones.

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>That's how a lot of people connect the Rosicrucians to

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the Georgia guidestones, right, because Thomas Paine was apparently connected

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to them. Right. Yes, Okay, so the rose it's hard

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to say that word for me, The Rosa Crucians, I

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>keep wanting to say the Rosa Christians for some reason. Uh,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, they popped up before the Enlightenment and

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>then kind of went away, and then later pop back

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>up in the nineteenth century when there was a big

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>revival in the Europe and the US of these sort

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:22.479
<v Speaker 1>of occult slash secret societies. A couple of them are

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>still around today. Apparently the ancient mystical order Rose Crucis

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>uh and the Rosicrucian Fellowship are still around. Um. But again,

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>who knows if any of the original stuff was actually

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>real or just the work of fiction. Either way, um,

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>people you know, some people think it might have been

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the Rosicrucians behind these guidestones. And again, like the rose

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Crucians is, it's a secret mystical society, but it also

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>is potentially engaged in trying to take over the world.

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's what we'd give it, a really ominous association,

0:30:55.680 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>right yeah. And or it also has been theorized that

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>it was just a red herring to make people think

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it it was the Rosa Crucians when it really wasn't

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>at all, just to get people to sniff them off

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the case. And so the Rosa Crucians there are a

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>widely held suspect um and then of course that um

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>logically leads to the next subspect Ted Turner. This is

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>very tenuous to me, I guess because Ted Turner was

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>really rich um, maybe a little eccentric, but not really

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>um in the grand scheme of things. But he did

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>create what's known as the Turner Doomsday video, which was

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>this video that he created and said basically, this is

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the last thing CNN should air if the world was ending.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>And you think, oh my god, what was the Turner

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>doomsday video. It's just this one minute video of a

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>military band playing the hymn Nearer My God to the

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>with one of the loveliest ms out there, is one

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of my favorites. But that that's all it is. That's it,

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>that's it. There's over the instructions for surviving the apocalypse,

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing like that. It's the lamest doomsday video of all time.

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>It just has a network sign off, is what it is. Right.

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>But he the reason they called the doomsday videos because

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>when he brought CNN onto the air, he said that, um,

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>it would keep it would stay on the air until

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, the end of the world. So that's where

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the doomsday thing came from. And then the other thing that,

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like you said, Ted Turners maybe was a little out

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>there or whatever, at least for his time, like he

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>did oversee Captain Planet, that cartoon on TBS in the

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>early nineties. Um, but he also gave a billion dollars

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>which at the time was a third of his wealth

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to the u N to to establish the u N Foundation,

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>which was involved in gender equality, which I think might

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>have had some aspects of family planning to it. So

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's where the eugenics tieing comes from, or the

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>population control. And then also has really engaged in environmentalism too.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>So um, that whole harmony with be not a cancer

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the earth thing just really implicates Ted Turner. Yeah, if

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you if you grew up in Atlanta in the seventies

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and eighties, Ted Turner was a big deal. Uh, it

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>was a name you heard a lot. He owned the Braves,

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>He owned the Falcons for or no, no, I think

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he owned the Braves and the Hawks. Yeah, um for

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a long time, and uh was our sort of most

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>famous uh dude in town. And I remember seeing him

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>at a Willie Nelson concert at Chastain Like it was

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>a while ago, but it wasn't way back then. It

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>was in the probably early two thousand's. Uh, and I

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>got a real kick out of it. I was like,

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen him out in Atlanta before. I was like,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>holy cow, there's Ted Turner. I tipped my scotch to

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you know. He was with a couple of uh, younger women.

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>He's with a couple of younger ladies. But I think

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>they were, Um, I think they might have been family

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>members or something, is what someone told me. I don't

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>think he was like out Fox Stratton with a couple

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>of gotcha young young girls. He was no stone silver

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Fox like RC. Christian. Oh sure he was. He kidn't

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>make now. He was a handsome man. But the upshot

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 1>of Ted Turner's involvement as one of the suspects is

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>basically strictly because of his proximity to Alberton. That's it, Yeah,

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 1>that is it. If Ted Turner was a billionaire in Kansas,

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>his name would have nothing to do with this whatsoever.

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>So that makes him a very lame suspect. I think

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna say suspect denied. We need a little sound

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>effect there. Uh if Jerry listened to these episodes and

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>we might actually get I know it's gonna be great

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>that because we're gonna say all this and it's gonna

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>pass by silently. Alright. So who else we could talk about,

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>um some religious galbaty cook. Because from the beginning, there

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>were Christians nearby that said, this is the work of

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the devil. Uh, and this is like satanic occultis stuff. Um.

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 1>There was a Christian minister named Reagan R. Davis who

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 1>visited in two thousand to the Guide Stones and said,

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>these are the ten commandments of the Antichrist and this

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>is a culling of the human population by the anti Christians,

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>is basically what we're looking at. And then of course

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of right wing conspiracy crack pots get involved

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and start calling them, uh, you know, Satan based or

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Luciferian secret societies and the New World Orders coming and

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>all of that fun stuff that exists on the fringe,

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>right yeah. And so I mean there's some holes in

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>those theories that this is a the new World Order

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>headed by the elite who are actually following the anti

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Christ who was being powered by Lucifer himself. And where

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the holes, right, the holes are that this monument, which

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>is it was impressive, right, is a neat feat, especially

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>for the people of Alberton, but it objectively pales in

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>comparison to even the ruins of Stonehenge. That this is

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.959
<v Speaker 1>the best that the Luciferian elite of the New World

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>World Order, right, the richest of the rich, the most

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 1>powerful of the powerful. This is this is the best

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>they could do. And they put it in Alberton, Georgia.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And there's just the one. And this is how they

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>revealed their plans. Right. They wouldn't just go ahead and

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>carry out like mass sterilization projects, or actually go ahead

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and create the one world currency in government. They would

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>just erect this relatively small monument in the most rural

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>of rural Georgia and just leave it at that. Yeah,

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and wait decades for the news to trickle out from

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the Alberton County Times to the Alberton six o'clock news

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and then the Atlanta six o'clock news and so on

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and so on until it takes over the world. Yes, so,

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 1>and I saw it like put his like that, really

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it was the New World Order, like having a laugh

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>by making just so blatant and just even more ridiculous,

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I didn't when I when I was like,

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>we should do one on the Georgia guidestones, it didn't

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>even occur to me that it was going to take

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>us down the path of conspiracy theorists. But it really

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>did because they latched onto this, and so I was

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking about this, Chuck, I was like, why, why, you know,

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>what is it about that? I mean, obviously it's mysterious,

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.479
<v Speaker 1>and you know, some of the stuff that's talking about

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>is kind of weird and scary and possibly downright immoral, right,

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>But I think more than anything, it's like people who

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>are into conspiracy theories are unsettled by uncertainty, and so

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>they need, like it's way scarier to have an indifferent

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 1>world that that couldn't care less about you, that doesn't

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>even know you exist, and that is so complex it

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>can't possibly make sense to anybody that's way scarier than you. No,

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>there's actually a cabal led by the Antichrist that it

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 1>probably involves Nancy Pelosi that we can like focus all

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 1>of our attention and energy on. It makes it less scary,

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>It gives it a form. Whenever you give something form,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it becomes less scary. And then also this is my

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>own theory, it also puts the conspiracy theorist on some

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of equal footing, so it gives them importance because

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>they are a sworn enemy of that antichrist led cabal,

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and so they're important as well. So I think for

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>all of those reasons, it's that's that's why things like

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the Guide Stones attract conspiracy theorists, and I think that's

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 1>why conspiracy theorists exists in general. They're afraid of the world.

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>They're afraid of the world, so they make it what

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>seems to the rest of us like a far scarier

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>place because they can't accept that it's just not that

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>way at all, that things just aren't that neat and

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>tidy and black and white. They're basically all gray. Yeah,

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>And they're also fed a steady diet of paranoia and

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>doomsday uh news and paranoia news, and it in filtrates

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>their brains. So you know, you can also go outside

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and the planet flower and drink in some sunshine, take

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 1>a walk. Yeah, yeah, it did. It's very sad, like

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I'm not mad at them, I feel bad

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>for them. I'm mad at like the people who profit

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.240
<v Speaker 1>off of it, the ones who like stoke those claims.

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I consider them. They're like expansive thinkers with small minds.

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what like the leaders of conspiracy theorist kind of

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>world remind me of, you know, no, But otherwise you're right,

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a very sad life. It is because you're just

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>scared or mad all the time, all the time, my soapbox.

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll mention Freemasons and take a break and

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>reveal some some clues here. But obviously the Freemasons are

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna pop up anytime you talk about the New World Order.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Alberton itself, um, of course as a small town in Georgia,

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>so there are Freemasons there. Uh. Samuel Albert, who founded Elberton,

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>built a Masonic lodge. A lot of people say that

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>family and Martin were both Masons, which is no big

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 1>surprise in a small town. That's a very common thing

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>for civic and business leaders to be Masons. So, but

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Freemason's are always targeted with a conspiracy minded stuff, so

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>of course they were going to be mentioned as well.

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You can listen to our episode on Mason's that we

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>did years and years ago, many years. Um. So let's

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>take that break and we'll come back and perhaps reveal

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:36.919
<v Speaker 1>the real identity of R. C. Christian right after this stop. Okay, Chuck,

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>So we're back, and I think it's high time that

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>we revealed the possible identity of R. C. Christian. And

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 1>it is not nearly as um earth shaking as you'd think,

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's possible it as a crank from Iowa. Maybe. UM.

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a documentary from about seven years ago called Dark

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Clouds over Elberton, Colin the True Story of the Georgia Guidestones.

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>It's a Christian documentary filmmaker name named Christian Pinto that's

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>as Christian as very much. And this filmmaker basically said,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 1>there's a gentleman named Herbert Henzi Kirsten Uh from Fort Dodge, Iowa.

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>He was a doctor born in nineteen twenty and he

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>was outed as and there's some pretty pretty good little

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>convincing clues here for sure that this might have been

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the dude. So. UM. He was a Republican, check, he

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:42.279
<v Speaker 1>was into the environment, he was a conservationist. UM. He

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>supposedly in a letter to the South Florida Sun Sentinel,

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>UM talked about like how David Duke was one of

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.879
<v Speaker 1>the few politicians representing America UM and The thing is, though,

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>is he's saying like David Duke is leading America. And remember,

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>David Duke was like the head of the ku Klux

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Klan who kind of supposedly disavowed the clan and tried

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>to run for public office many times in the eighties.

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 1>He won at some point, right, did he please tell

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>me he did? And I thought he was unsuccessful every time.

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure what it was off the dumb, but

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure he won at one point. Well, that

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>is pretty shameful. Whatever state elected David Duke, that's pretty

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana. Okay, okay, so um, But he was supporting

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>David Duke in this quote new era of internationalism, So

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.439
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like he wasn't down with internationalism, which would

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of go against the whole idea of creating world

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 1>courts and the like. Uh. I had to look it up.

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>David Duke. Yeah, he was in the Louisiana State House

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>of Representatives for a little while. Um. Yeah, that's a

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>good point. Um. But also in his obituary when Kirsten

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>died in two thousand five, it said that he was

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>very involved in environmental and world population issues. Uh, and

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.919
<v Speaker 1>held ay quote broad vision of humanity. So I guess

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>some stuff kind of checks out, some stuff kind of doesn't.

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that links him though, to at

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 1>least Um Martin. Whyatt Martin, Um, the banker from the

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Granite State Bank who was the one person who knew

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>who R. C. Christian was, was that there was definitely correspondence.

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh that was I guess it was written down in

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>a log or something, but that Herbert Kirsten and Whyat

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Martin did correspond at some point. So that's I think

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>what really kind of links them more than anything. Oh okay,

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I see what you mean. Um. Interesting, And I don't

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.720
<v Speaker 1>think we mentioned too when Christian arc Christian corresponded with Martin.

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>They were letters sent from kind of all over the

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 1>United States, I guess in a bid to keep the

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>identity a secret. Yeah that's what I took it as too. Okay,

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that Kirsten actually was in touch, So yeah,

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, pretty pretty good clue there. But we should

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 1>also say that that South Florida's on Sentinel Calumnists said

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that his letter from is full of exclamation points and

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>underlined words, which automatically says, don't take me seriously. Um,

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>there's another theory that I think it's pretty lame. Basically

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>is that the Alberton Granite Association kind of surreptitiously or

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>at least under the table, ordered this thing, uh to

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>stir up a lot of um maybe not conspiracy, but

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>just interest as a tourist attraction, and it was just

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of an inside job for the county to begin with,

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.399
<v Speaker 1>and it ended up you know a lot of people

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>people from around the world eventually would come and see

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>this thing, uh and check it out in person. So

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 1>it did work. But I just don't know if if

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that holds up well. Even at first in the internally

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>in the town, Friendly and Martin the grantit finisher and

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the banker were accused of being the ones behind it,

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and they actually took very publicly lie detector tests I

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 1>think it Alberton City Hall and both passed. So after

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 1>that they the cloud of suspicion they were under kind

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 1>of past. But um, yeah, that was I guess kind

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>of a bit of a controversy from the outset because

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, um, Findley really kind of made out with

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 1>this job and it just kind of dropped into his lap.

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 1>So I think some of the other granite finishers were

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>suspicious of it. So the guy Charlie Clamp, this carver

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>who heard the voices and stuff, his son Mark Clamp,

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>which is a great name. UM, would like propose the

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>idea for like week long festivals, and they would use

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that as evidence that it was an inside thing. But

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I just saw that as like a younger generation saying like, hey,

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>we got this thing, let's like try and make some

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 1>money off of it. Yeah. I think there are plenty

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>of people in town. I saw in and there was

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a Wired article that in two thousand nine it was

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 1>like the definitive story that for a long time. UM.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And they said that it literally put Alberton on the

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.399
<v Speaker 1>map because it was first included in two thousand five

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 1>and National Geographics Geo Tourism Map Guide to Appalachia. There

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you have it. Yeah, And like Alberton would not have

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>been included in that had it not been for the

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Georgia guidstone. So yeah, like it definitely had an impact

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 1>on the local economy for decades because it just brought

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 1>people who otherwise would not have shown up. Alright, So

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the guidestones are there for quite a long time, beginning

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>in sort of the mid two thousand's. Uh, there was

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 1>some vandalism that started popping up here and there, UM

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 1>spray painting them Jesus will beat you, Satanist, the letter

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 1>you uh no one World government. Uh. Some of them

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>talked about nine eleven being an inside job. Some talked

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>about Obama like Obama berthers and saying that he was

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a Muslim. My favorite joke, can I share? Yeah, I

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 1>think you're about Yeah, go ahead. My favorite was the

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Council on Foreign Relations is ran by the devil, talk

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>about sticking into the new World Order? Am I right?

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>My favorite was the isis one which was reported to

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the FBI, But it said I am isis Goddess Love,

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, talking about the Egyptian goddess? Isis

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>not not Isis? Isis not isol isis whoever alerted the

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>FBI makes no distinction between those two apparently, Uh, that's right.

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>And so these things have been sort of vandalized over

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the years. And this culminated in uh just a little

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>over a month ago, July six this year, UM, at

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 1>four am in the morning, a bomb went off in

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and destroyed enough of the Georgia guide stones to call

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 1>them dangerous and call for their complete demolition by the county. Um,

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>they have it on video because they did have cameras

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of monitoring this thing. Uh, and there was a

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of a blurry video that you can

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>look it up online. You can see the bomb going off. Um,

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't really get a very clear look at the car.

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 1>You don't get a very clear look at a human

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>to silver sedan. I looked up just today to see

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>if there were any new leads and I think they're

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of coming up empty so far on who actually

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>demolished this thing. Yeah, I saw that the a t

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>F is trying to figure out what explosive was used,

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and the g b I is looking for this person

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 1>who is going to charge them with a terroristic act

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:27.800
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But sadly, Albertson voted to give the remains

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>over to the Granite Council, and the Granite Council voted

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 1>not to rebuild, So the Georgia guidestones are gone forever.

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Because when there's fundamentalist conspiracy theorists around, we just can't

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>have nice things. You can't have nice things. You got

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>anything else? I got zero nice things left? All right? Well,

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.959
<v Speaker 1>since Chuck said that everybody, it's time for a listener mail.

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this a couple of breakfast emails. Are

0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that episode just dropped today? I r l about our

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 1>breakfast foods and people seem to like it. The first

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>thing I'm gonna say is I misspoken. Said sour cream

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>on my bagel instead of cream cheat what everybody's been

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>talking about. Yeah, I didn't. Obviously, it was just a

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 1>verbal typo and you didn't even catch it. So um.

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>The people that said, hey, you clearly misspoke, thank you.

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>The people that are like, what you eat sour cream

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 1>on bagels? Like come on, come on, come on? All right,

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.279
<v Speaker 1>So there's there's a couple of them. Hello, Chaps, really

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed your show about breakfast. But have you ever had

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 1>a great British fry up a k a. A full

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.320
<v Speaker 1>English breakfast? It's basically a heart attack on a plate. Bacon, sausage,

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>grilled tomatoes, baked beans, mushrooms, black pudding, toast and or

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>fried bread, hash brown patty style and at least two

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>fried eggs, the ultimate hangover your cure, and the greatest

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 1>meal of all time, washed down with copious cups of

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>hot tea and complimented with HP brown sauce that is

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 1>from Donna Kay in the UK, and uh, yeah, don

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I've had that. I don't like the mushroom part, and

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really big on grilled tomatoes. What about the beans?

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you like the beans? I do? I love them.

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm down with all the really because you know, you

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 1>see those beans and you're like, man, all that's gonna

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 1>be low too with brown sugar, and then you take

0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 1>a bite and you're like, oh nope, they're not like

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Georgia barbecue. It tastes like Roger Daltry. That's good. Think

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 1>what a great who reference. I'm pretty proud of that

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 1>one too. Did you write that down? You just think

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.399
<v Speaker 1>of it because you didn't even know. This is coming,

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>very very well done. All right, here's the other one. Hey, guys,

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Breakfast episode is wonderful. We're gonna do a little Judge

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>John Hodgman here. We're gonna actually intervene here and make

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a decision. I keep having to pause the episode to

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>text my partner, Uh new mind blowing facts that I

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>had learned, and I was hoping you would say something

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>that would validate my opinions on brunch, but at last

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 1>you did not brunch is breakfast food at lunchtime, and

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 1>this is the hill I will die on. I start

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>this debate regularly as my in laws like to plan

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>brunch no lunch food at all for nine am, and

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I argue that the word they're looking for is just breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no leg to stand on. Thanks for all

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<v Speaker 1>you do, and this is from Stephanie. Uh. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Stephanie a couple of follow up questions. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, um, do they sort of alcohol at

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<v Speaker 1>this nine am quote unquote brunch? And do they usually

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<v Speaker 1>eat it like five am? And so this would be

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<v Speaker 1>much much much later for them? Uh? And Stephanie said, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my mother and father in law don't really eat breakfast normally.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone else probably does have something and possibly early since

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<v Speaker 1>most of them are teachers. Um, but nothing agreed. Just

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<v Speaker 1>I think mimosas are fair game, so maybe that's fair

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<v Speaker 1>enough to get it class about his brunch. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>most of these mimosas are mostly o J unless I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of making them. So I'm gonna rule this

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<v Speaker 1>is just breakfast. Yeah, I would call that boozy breakfast. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that ain't brunch brunch. You gotta eat it after

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<v Speaker 1>after ten thirty at least more like Yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say ten thirties the early, the earliest you'll walk

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<v Speaker 1>past the rooster crowing. Maybe yeah, at that time nine

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<v Speaker 1>a m. Is it's just I'm sorry, Stephanie's in laws.

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<v Speaker 1>It's breakfast and we have ruled on it. I'm Jesse Thorn.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean throw a throw a tuna melt on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you have a case, but if you're deserving breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>items at nine am, then it's breakfast. He really is.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also, Stephanie, I want to put in a

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<v Speaker 1>word for your in laws, like you just lay off

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it brunch if they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right, yeah, you are correct. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like Stephanie and can solva dispute, No, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that, John Dodgment, does that best? The other person?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the other person's name? The first guy? Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>got you? The first person was I like that swinging

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<v Speaker 1>in though, Chuck, that was great stuff. Donna Kay. Okay,

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