Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,
Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here to the whole gang.
Speaker 1: And this makes this an official episode of the Stuff
Speaker 1: You Should Know. Please disregard some previous ones where it
Speaker 1: was just me and Chuck. Just disregard him. I don't
Speaker 1: even listen to them, And if you have listened to them,
Speaker 1: actively forget what you learned. Have you ever seen before well,
Speaker 1: let'sen not reveal what's happened. Did you ever see the
Speaker 1: Georgia guidestones. I was a bit of a schlub and
Speaker 1: assume that I would just be able to some other time. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you No? I never had any interest. I wasn't
Speaker 1: like passionately interested, but I thought i'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 1: And then I looked on a map. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's where they are. I don't really feel like going
Speaker 1: over there, so I'm just going to put it off
Speaker 1: and put it off. I always thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of silly, and I still do even more so probably,
Speaker 1: but sure it's fun to talk about. No, for sure,
Speaker 1: like this is um I think if you don't take
Speaker 1: it as partially silly. You are being a little too serious.
Speaker 1: But that's also not to say like they were intended
Speaker 1: and as any sort of joke or with any sort
Speaker 1: of silliness. I think the earnestness with which they were
Speaker 1: put up, along with the earnestness which with which some
Speaker 1: people took them, that's what really kind of makes it silly.
Speaker 1: From like an outside observer's point of view, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. And what we're talking about are what's known
Speaker 1: as the Georgia Guide Stones a k a. America's Stonehenge.
Speaker 1: Are are ancient, going all the way back to the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. That's why I always thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of silly anytime they say like something sort of hyperbolic
Speaker 1: like that, like this is our stone hinge erected in
Speaker 1: right circa forty two years before present? What is that? Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1: There's six years before Ghostbusters? Oh we are we doing
Speaker 1: that again? No? Maybe just this one time, you know, okay? Um.
Speaker 1: I get why they call them America's Stonehenge though, because
Speaker 1: they look a bit like Stonehenge, these giant granite slabs
Speaker 1: uh set on end with cap stones and such. But
Speaker 1: I think maybe we should go back now. That we've
Speaker 1: at least told people what the heck these things are.
Speaker 1: They're inscribed with words. Uh. And that's all we'll give
Speaker 1: you for now, and then let's go back and talk
Speaker 1: about the history, because the story of it is is
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, I think, definitely interesting. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of mystery that was um purposefully I think,
Speaker 1: kind of generated around the whole thing, and that mystery
Speaker 1: starts at the very beginning when a guy named R. C.
Speaker 1: Christian showed up in Alberton, Georgia. I believe it's the
Speaker 1: county seat of albert County, which is in the I
Speaker 1: think extreme east of Georgia, close to the South Carolina border. Correct. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's about thirty five miles sort of east and
Speaker 1: north of Athens, Georgia, which is, if you don't know
Speaker 1: where Athens is out there, it's about a hundred miles
Speaker 1: Athens isn't But Elberton itself is about a hundred miles
Speaker 1: north and east of Atlanta, so it's headed towards South Carolina,
Speaker 1: but it's not like on the border. Okay, And for
Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar with Atlanta, chuck, how far is
Speaker 1: Atlanta from? Uh? From Montgomery, Alabama. Oh boy, let me
Speaker 1: get up my map. So it's in the east of Georgia.
Speaker 1: It's in as One, I think the publisher of the
Speaker 1: local paper put it. It's as rural as rural can be.
Speaker 1: And um, there's like at the time that all this
Speaker 1: happened nineteen seventy nine, when Narci Christians showed up, there
Speaker 1: were not even six thousand people in the whole town,
Speaker 1: nineteen thousand people in the entire county. And it seems
Speaker 1: like the kind of place where there are probably more
Speaker 1: cows than people at the time. Yeah, I mean, Athens
Speaker 1: is a great city and a great call down and
Speaker 1: there's some the classic city uh and there are some
Speaker 1: great little uh towns outside of Athens, but you know
Speaker 1: they're small towns in the further creep outside of Athens
Speaker 1: against superbural. Have you ever been to Madison, Georgia? Sure,
Speaker 1: Madison is great. It's gorgeous. Man, it is just this
Speaker 1: hidden littles And yeah, okay, So back to Alberton, right
Speaker 1: and R. C. Christian in particular summer of nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: and he shows up in Alberton and probably stuck out
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb he wore a very expensive suit.
Speaker 1: He had a certain air of refinement around him. He
Speaker 1: seemed to be a little erudite. And he showed up.
Speaker 1: He presented himself at the offices of Alberton Granite Finishing Company.
Speaker 1: And we should tell you a little bit about Albert
Speaker 1: County and Alberton in particular. They consider themselves the granite
Speaker 1: capital of the world, and they make a pretty good case.
Speaker 1: They are apparently sitting on some of the finest granite
Speaker 1: in the world in in like right, in like fifty
Speaker 1: different quarries in the air. You so, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to get something done in granted, say like America's Stonehenge,
Speaker 1: this is where you would logically show up. And R. C.
Speaker 1: Christian did show up, and he talked to the president
Speaker 1: of Alberton Grant Efficient Finishing Company, Joe Finley, who welcomed
Speaker 1: him with open arms and got on board immediately. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think Joe Finley, as he probably should
Speaker 1: have been, was a little um well, he was two things.
Speaker 1: A like you said, he was impressed with this sort
Speaker 1: of finely dressed, intelligent gentleman, but he was also once
Speaker 1: he started to hear what this gentleman wanted a little
Speaker 1: wary of him and thought, all right, this guy is
Speaker 1: a little weird to me here in Elberton, and maybe
Speaker 1: some kind of crackpot because Mr Christian, who we would
Speaker 1: find out that's a pseudonym, uh, said, I represent a
Speaker 1: small group of loyal Americans and I would like on
Speaker 1: their behalf to be the liaison to commission a massive
Speaker 1: structure built out of these huge granite stones that will
Speaker 1: be here for millions of years. Irony upcoming just put
Speaker 1: it been in that and it was for the purpose
Speaker 1: of guiding humanity after the apocalypse. And Finley was like,
Speaker 1: m you said a little strange to me in his head,
Speaker 1: but here's what I'll do. I'll do it for this price.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean, he named a very
Speaker 1: expensive price, apparently a few times higher than anything he'd
Speaker 1: ever worked on. And I think it was probably in
Speaker 1: part because it was one of the bigger jobs he'd
Speaker 1: ever worked on, and and there may have been a
Speaker 1: little city boy, country boy thing where he was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I can take this guy for some money. Yeah. Apparently
Speaker 1: it was far and away the biggest project that the
Speaker 1: Alberton had ever seen. The next biggest project was the
Speaker 1: town's bicentennial memorial fountain that they put in the middle
Speaker 1: of the town, which is nothing to sneeze at, but
Speaker 1: compared to these Georgia stone projects, it's yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little aputian um. Compared to the Georgia guidestones, it's it
Speaker 1: is you could sneeze all over it. So it was
Speaker 1: a big project. So it was smart that he was like,
Speaker 1: I need a lot of money for this um, because
Speaker 1: he ended up needing a lot of money for it.
Speaker 1: But I get the impression that he made out pretty
Speaker 1: well too. Yeah, so uh, Finley of the rock Query said,
Speaker 1: go see my buddy, Whyatt Martin, he's the president of
Speaker 1: the local bank here, the Granite City Bank, and go
Speaker 1: talk to him about how we can finance this thing.
Speaker 1: And Finley called ahead apparently and told Martin, like, this
Speaker 1: guy coming over as a little cookie, but you ought
Speaker 1: to see the suit just way, which is way to
Speaker 1: you smell. The guy so fine and he's so intelligent.
Speaker 1: And Martin apparently was also impressed with the guy as well.
Speaker 1: And this is the point in the story where um,
Speaker 1: we learned that Wyatt Martin, of the president of this bank,
Speaker 1: is basically the only person who ever learned the truth
Speaker 1: about who R. C. Christian really was, because you can't
Speaker 1: do banking and do this sort of high profile transactions, uh,
Speaker 1: with pseudonyms. So he tells him his real name, but said,
Speaker 1: here's the deal, man, I gotta we gotta keep this quiet.
Speaker 1: I can never be known. Who I'm doing this on
Speaker 1: behalf of can never be known. And you gotta promise
Speaker 1: me you're never gonna tell anyone. And once we get
Speaker 1: all this stuff done and it's settled, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta burn all these documents so it can remain a secret. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean he chose the right guy to confide
Speaker 1: and because Wyatt Martin later said in an interview I
Speaker 1: think in two thousand thirteen that even if you put
Speaker 1: a gun to his head, he wouldn't tell you the
Speaker 1: actual I love that part, right, the ideality. Sure, I'm
Speaker 1: on board. Yeah, he really, he really went full board.
Speaker 1: From everything that I've ever read, he didn't even tell
Speaker 1: his wife, like he just took the secret to his grave.
Speaker 1: He died I think in um and uh he never
Speaker 1: told a single person. And so after that um RC
Speaker 1: Christian went back to the Alberton Granite finishing company gave
Speaker 1: Joe Finley a U shoebox with like a little wooden
Speaker 1: model of what they were looking for, with some Fisher
Speaker 1: Price people in there for scale, and then there was
Speaker 1: like ten pages of instructions that were that were accompanied
Speaker 1: at and he said to Finley, Uh, you'll never see
Speaker 1: me again. But he did keep in touch with Martin
Speaker 1: because Martin agreed to be his and then in turn
Speaker 1: that group of sponsors representative overseeing the project as as
Speaker 1: as well as the money man and so um. They
Speaker 1: ended up becoming pen pals over the years. They kept
Speaker 1: in touch, um, and they would go to dinner every
Speaker 1: once in a while UM in Athens. Uh. And yeah
Speaker 1: they were. They got to be pretty close actually, but um,
Speaker 1: at the time it was just Martin who was running
Speaker 1: the show, and just Finley, who was the only other
Speaker 1: person who had knowingly met this RC Christian guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I waited tables in Athens during the years
Speaker 1: of I guess that was probably And I always wondered,
Speaker 1: like that I served this guy one night. Could I
Speaker 1: have met this mysterious stranger. I do remember a man
Speaker 1: that smelled really nice in a soup one time, MEXICALI
Speaker 1: girl did you. Yeah, did you ever serve a stone
Speaker 1: silver fox in like a nice suit once with another
Speaker 1: guy who seemed to be a bank president. I did,
Speaker 1: and he he signed his name anonymous so on this check.
Speaker 1: So it was very very weird. Like that seems suspicious,
Speaker 1: but it's college, so I don't care. But here's what happened.
Speaker 1: This is a very big job for this company. Like
Speaker 1: we mentioned, um, these stones were not small like you said.
Speaker 1: They ended up having to jackhammer fourteen feet into the
Speaker 1: pyramid quarry quarry, which is it quarry Corey? All right?
Speaker 1: I always say like k w O R r y quarry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because query sounds like a query that you said someone.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the way arc Christian probably said it.
Speaker 1: Yeah query. I don't know why I said it southern,
Speaker 1: because we really have no idea where he was from.
Speaker 1: He could have been from Boss and for all I know,
Speaker 1: we have potentially an idea. Well that's true, would have
Speaker 1: been in that too. Uh. So they had to jackhammer
Speaker 1: down fourteen ft Uh. They had to use a hundred
Speaker 1: foot tall crane uh to put these stones where they
Speaker 1: needed to go. And they needed a location, and it
Speaker 1: turns out there was a local I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was a real farmer, but he had cattle at
Speaker 1: least in a lot of land. And it was a
Speaker 1: point at the highest elevation in the county. Um. It's
Speaker 1: not you know, some big mountain or anything, because it's
Speaker 1: pretty flat land over there, but it is the highest
Speaker 1: elevation and very importantly had really clear views um all
Speaker 1: around it. Because that'll come into play with sort of
Speaker 1: the purpose of what these things. What they ended up
Speaker 1: needing them for. Uh. And so we got five acres
Speaker 1: for five grand and said here, you and your family
Speaker 1: forever more can still graze your cattle here. I just
Speaker 1: want to put these guide stones up. Yeah. Um. And
Speaker 1: I think the guy, the guy he bought it from,
Speaker 1: his name was mullen Ax and he wasn't just a
Speaker 1: straight up farmer. He was a contract or and part
Speaker 1: of the deal was his company got to um build
Speaker 1: the base that the whole thing was put on. Just
Speaker 1: to swen Yeah, there's like a molinex Ford. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no way they're not related. Somehow, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to school some mullonexis. You never know. Well look
Speaker 1: him up, chuck on Facebook, friend them and get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this mystery. I'm not on Facebook. I'll
Speaker 1: have to send a letter via carrier pigeon like I
Speaker 1: used to. There there's one other thing I just want
Speaker 1: to point out real quick, like this, we said that
Speaker 1: this project was the biggest that this this county had
Speaker 1: ever undertaken, and it served as like a point of
Speaker 1: civic pride from like that point on, Like, no matter
Speaker 1: how anybody in town felt about the guidestones themselves, they
Speaker 1: were probably prideful about the amazing job that this this county.
Speaker 1: The workers in this county came together to produce when
Speaker 1: they were called upon to do so. That was definitely
Speaker 1: part of it because it was a huge, massive undertaking.
Speaker 1: And it also not only does do you have like
Speaker 1: hats off to the people of Albert County for having
Speaker 1: done this, think about people who used to quarry stuff,
Speaker 1: like the people who made Stonehenge without like hundred foot
Speaker 1: cranes and jackhammers to go fourteen feet into the ground
Speaker 1: like that. It's just mind boggling when you think of
Speaker 1: it like that too. Absolutely uh. And as far as
Speaker 1: Albert County goes, they got a a genuine tourist attraction
Speaker 1: which they didn't have before and so this was sort
Speaker 1: of one of the reasons apparently that Christian picked this
Speaker 1: spot because he kind of figured and was right that
Speaker 1: they would be prideful and kind of take care of it. Um.
Speaker 1: Apparently he had some ancestors that were from the region
Speaker 1: to um. But he also said, you know, our wishes
Speaker 1: that maybe one day the people of Albert County will
Speaker 1: come together or maybe just conservationist in general and uh
Speaker 1: and do some more big stone rings around this thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: That never happened. He never got that wish, But like
Speaker 1: you said, they did take care of very good care
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and like he helped he helped established
Speaker 1: that by by transferring the rights to that land over
Speaker 1: to the people of Albert County, so that that was
Speaker 1: like they would have even more pride in it because
Speaker 1: they owned it. It was public land. From that point on,
Speaker 1: should we take a break, Um, Yeah, let's take a break,
Speaker 1: and well then we'll talk about the monument, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's about it's about to get a little sinister
Speaker 1: right after this stop. Maybe I overstated it doesn't quite
Speaker 1: get sinister. Uh, But from the beginning of this project,
Speaker 1: the local townsfolk, while prideful, there were some that were
Speaker 1: a little worried about it, and this said, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're out in the country and Georgia like that,
Speaker 1: it's nineteen seventy, Like, what do you mean you're gonna
Speaker 1: build this big monument? This sounds to me like, you know,
Speaker 1: the occult or the work of the devil or something.
Speaker 1: And there was a sandblaster that worked on the job
Speaker 1: named Charlie Clamp who will come up a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but he, for one, said that when he was working
Speaker 1: on carving these characters in the stone, that he heard
Speaker 1: strange music and disjointed voices. Uh. And you know, once
Speaker 1: these things were up, apparently some some Wiccans and some
Speaker 1: Pagans did come out and do like some dancing and
Speaker 1: chanting every now and then, which I'm sure was very harmless,
Speaker 1: but would spook the locals. Oh yeah, I mean good lord. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I think it happened almost immediately, like this thing
Speaker 1: went up in March of eighty. I think like the
Speaker 1: Atlanta pagan community had adopted by there's like public land,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Exactly? So another thing that
Speaker 1: makes this whole feat um so amazing is that you
Speaker 1: know R. C. Christians showed up with the idea in
Speaker 1: the summer of nineteen seventy nine, and they dedicated the
Speaker 1: thing on March twenty second night, two days after the
Speaker 1: Spring equinox. No, that is fast turnaround, because not only
Speaker 1: did they have to were it, they had to do
Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff to it. These are not
Speaker 1: schlubby slabs. Slubby they are, they were. They were pretty neat.
Speaker 1: They required a lot of extra work. Rather than just
Speaker 1: quarrying and cutting and polishing. There was more too, it
Speaker 1: wasn't there. Yeah. Absolutely, Uh, they had a big grand opening.
Speaker 1: There were you know, quite a few people, like three,
Speaker 1: three or four hundred folks apparently showed up for the christening.
Speaker 1: And uh, like you said, it was, it was a
Speaker 1: big deal. They were um, not only large, Uh, they
Speaker 1: were you know, very I believe, like nineteen feet tall each.
Speaker 1: Is that how tall they stood? Yeah, which is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's taller than Stonehenge. So take that England Stonehenge, take
Speaker 1: that ancient people's uh so nineteen tall. They weighed about
Speaker 1: close to a hundred and twenty tons and like we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, four thousands sand blasted letters and characters about
Speaker 1: four inches high. Piece that we'll get to what these
Speaker 1: all said. But they're also some cool strological features, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So um, Fendley went to the University of Georgia and said,
Speaker 1: I need an astronomer because I'm being asked to do
Speaker 1: some stuff that I do not know how to do.
Speaker 1: UM and the guide stones were considered a clock, calendar,
Speaker 1: and compass, all kind of ingeniously built into one because
Speaker 1: you've got those four slabs that were arranged in an X.
Speaker 1: Like you said, there's a center stone known as the
Speaker 1: nomen stone, and then on top of it all is
Speaker 1: a capstone, a square capstone that covered the nomen and
Speaker 1: parts of all four of the other slabs that radiated
Speaker 1: out from the nomen And so they had UM you
Speaker 1: could tell what day of the year it was, and
Speaker 1: that it was noon. Um you could see the um
Speaker 1: summer solstice, and I believe the winter solstice as well.
Speaker 1: Like the x is were the like the X or
Speaker 1: the edges of the X word position so that it
Speaker 1: followed the sun or the moon's migration annual migration across
Speaker 1: the sky. There was a lot going on that like
Speaker 1: the average person, including Fendley, could not just just you know,
Speaker 1: guess at it needed to be really precise. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: they're cutting these holes basically, uh, and these little slots
Speaker 1: all around this thing to where you can peek through
Speaker 1: and see those uh sun rises and things during the solstice, uh,
Speaker 1: winter and summer. You can look through one hole and
Speaker 1: look at the North Star. So, like you said, it's
Speaker 1: super exact. Um. There was a plaque on site that
Speaker 1: listed R. C. Christian as the author of these words,
Speaker 1: and it said a small group of Americans who seek
Speaker 1: the age of reason. Uh, And then basically says, there's
Speaker 1: like a time capsule here, here's where the time capsule is.
Speaker 1: And they left this central message that said, let these
Speaker 1: be guidestones to an age of reason. And that was
Speaker 1: in Egyptian hierocliphics, Babylonian Cuneiform, Classical Greek, and Sanskrit. And
Speaker 1: then it lists did and we're gonna read these out,
Speaker 1: but it listed ten guides and eight different languages Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew, English, Russian, Hindi, Spanish,
Speaker 1: and Swahili. Yeah. And so each side of those four
Speaker 1: slabs that radiated from the Noman the center stone had
Speaker 1: a language, so that all all four had two languages
Speaker 1: on each side, right, and in English these were what
Speaker 1: these these rules or guidelines or guides, however you want
Speaker 1: to call them, that were inscribed on the stone. What
Speaker 1: they said? The first one, chuck, was maintained humanity under
Speaker 1: five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature. You here's
Speaker 1: another one. If you don't like that one, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna like this one either, Guide reproduction wisely improving fitness
Speaker 1: and diversity. Yeah problematic? Okay, Well how about this one.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love this. Unite humanity with a living new language. Uh,
Speaker 1: it could be problematic unless we're sucking. Uh. What is
Speaker 1: that one language we did on the years ago? Esperano? Esperanto?
Speaker 1: Did we do one on? I think we did a
Speaker 1: video on it. I don't think we ever did this,
Speaker 1: did we do? Yeah? It gets confusing once you get
Speaker 1: back to two thousand eleven twelve, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: We were all confused. Shall I go on? Or you
Speaker 1: want to take over? Go ahead? This is fun? Okay Um.
Speaker 1: The next one says rule, passion, faith, tradition, and all
Speaker 1: things with tempered reason. Down with that protect down meaning
Speaker 1: like you're down with it or down the opposite. I'm
Speaker 1: down with it. No, that sounds great. Up with that.
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. Protect people in nations with fair
Speaker 1: laws and just courts. Sure, who wouldn't let all nations
Speaker 1: rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court. M
Speaker 1: that sounds a little creepy potentially. The next one is
Speaker 1: something the libertarian and all of us can appreciate, avoid
Speaker 1: petty laws and useless officials. I love that one. I
Speaker 1: wonder what that sounds like in HINDI. Uh, drain the swamp. Right.
Speaker 1: There's also balanced personal rights with social duties. It's a
Speaker 1: great one too, if you balance it correctly. Uh. The
Speaker 1: next one is prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with
Speaker 1: the infinite. Pretty new ag. Yeah, I like it though.
Speaker 1: And then be not a cancer on Earth, Leave room
Speaker 1: for nature, Leave room for nature. And then the last
Speaker 1: one Sabbath rules for the z. I thought you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: Megadeth rules Metallica drules Metallica does not drouble. Well, I
Speaker 1: thought Megadeth fans didn't like Metallica. I think that old beef. Sure,
Speaker 1: but it's totally unnecessary because both are great, Okay, especially
Speaker 1: eighties both were great? How about that? Oh? Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're yeah, absolutely so what I'm talking about give me
Speaker 1: some credit. Um. So from the beginning, the people that
Speaker 1: heard about this and uh sort of took it as
Speaker 1: maybe what to do after the apocalypse. But apparently Christian
Speaker 1: had written a little pamphlet like guide book kind of
Speaker 1: thing that talked about, um, not necessarily after the apocalypse,
Speaker 1: but here's how we might can avoid catastrophe more along
Speaker 1: those lines. Yeah, I found a quote from one of
Speaker 1: the from that book that he wrote that said, we
Speaker 1: are like a fleet of overcrowded lifeboats confronted with an
Speaker 1: approaching tempest. And then he says there are alternatives to armageddon.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't find out what those alternatives were. Um,
Speaker 1: but if he didn't provide alternatives, then that's just letting
Speaker 1: everybody's imagination run wild. The other thing that a lot
Speaker 1: of people point out to is that this was These
Speaker 1: were inscribed in nineteen smack dab in the middle of
Speaker 1: the Cold War, which at that time had no ending
Speaker 1: in sight. Um, and a lot of people were very
Speaker 1: worried about a nuclear winner. So if he did mean
Speaker 1: it like um, you know that that it was meant
Speaker 1: to rebuild humanity after a nuclear war, you can understand
Speaker 1: how he would have been coming from that way. The
Speaker 1: other way though, makes a lot of sense too, because
Speaker 1: at the time that whole idea that humanity was going
Speaker 1: to keep growing exponentially was really popular. Still. Do you
Speaker 1: remember Zero Population Growth episode where we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, that that was that big book in
Speaker 1: sixty eight, the population Bomb, which really scared a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Uh, And I don't think we mentioned too that. Um.
Speaker 1: Christian initially said that they had been he and his
Speaker 1: people had been working on this idea for twenty years,
Speaker 1: so it would have been all through the Cold War
Speaker 1: and all through this sort of population scare if he
Speaker 1: was telling the truth that they were coming up with
Speaker 1: these ideas. But even even though the population bomb came
Speaker 1: out in night, this this kind of thought was going
Speaker 1: around because remember our friend Norman Borlog, he saved the
Speaker 1: world in the nineteen forties, and people were predicting like
Speaker 1: exponential growth. I mean, Mauthis has been predicting exponential growth
Speaker 1: since the eighteenth century. So the population bomb really kind
Speaker 1: of presented it in stark contrast, um, and it turned
Speaker 1: out to not be correct at all. But at the time, again,
Speaker 1: people were worried about it. But if you were really
Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. You were probably at least
Speaker 1: a little xenophobic. Um, you're possibly outright racist, and your
Speaker 1: concerns were not about how how fast America's population was growing.
Speaker 1: You're probably concerned about how fast Bangladesh's population was growing,
Speaker 1: or how fast some sub Saharan African nations populations were growing.
Speaker 1: And ultimately you might not have said it what that
Speaker 1: meant for the white race and the white races access
Speaker 1: to all the resources we need to keep being happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'll see this pop up a little bit throughout
Speaker 1: this that some of these notions were possibly guided by um,
Speaker 1: white supremacy or xenophobia, you know it. It It sort of
Speaker 1: danced around those fringes. Um. Not the least of which
Speaker 1: was that first, you know, limit the world population to
Speaker 1: five hundred million. Uh that were close to four and
Speaker 1: a half billion people on the planet in nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty drastic reduction. That's an eight percent reduction. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a pretty foreboding thing to list
Speaker 1: as your first guideline, I think, right exactly, it's but yeah,
Speaker 1: especially if you don't mean it as like a post
Speaker 1: apocalyptic guide, but something we need to do in the future.
Speaker 1: That is just downright scary because first of all, that
Speaker 1: means a lot of people are going to die, but
Speaker 1: also who exactly is calling the shots about who lives
Speaker 1: and who dies and who are these people to to
Speaker 1: say or do something like that. So it takes a
Speaker 1: pretty pretty large amount of just entitlement in general to
Speaker 1: choose that and then inscribe it as your first guide
Speaker 1: on some rocks that you leave standing ostensibly for hundreds
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, and so you couple that with guide
Speaker 1: reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. That's improving fitness is
Speaker 1: sort of the key line that sort of reeks of
Speaker 1: eugenics obviously, uh. And then also you're not humanity with
Speaker 1: the new living language and the idea of a world court.
Speaker 1: All these things are sort of ideas that have been
Speaker 1: bandied about and on the fringes of uh, the Internet
Speaker 1: and conspiracy minded sites about the new world order and
Speaker 1: things like that. And we're not going to dive too
Speaker 1: deep into that world, but suffice to say that these
Speaker 1: are the kind of alarm bells that are going off
Speaker 1: when certain people read the Georgia guide Stones. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm not I couldn't find out who originally interpreted as such.
Speaker 1: But the Book of Revelations apparently has been interpreted to
Speaker 1: talk about a world government and be wary of a
Speaker 1: world government because that's the Antichrist who's going to be
Speaker 1: leading it, and they will lead you know, the world
Speaker 1: into darkness and the final fight with God and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So, um, if you read the quotes, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't quite know how you got here. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who's subscribe to that. So when
Speaker 1: they were talking about you know, world courts, that really
Speaker 1: kind of raised the antenna of some fundamentalists and fringe Christians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good way to say it, um, But we we
Speaker 1: can talk about some of the theories as to um,
Speaker 1: maybe who this group might have been, because again Christian
Speaker 1: said that he represented a group of people and it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like his you know, this idea of some
Speaker 1: you know, rich billionaire, although you never know it could
Speaker 1: have been the case because we don't know the truth.
Speaker 1: But the Rosa Crucians, and I believe we talked about
Speaker 1: them and one of our episodes at some point really
Speaker 1: rings a bell. But they were, uh, this society a
Speaker 1: secret society. Those are always fun. That started in the
Speaker 1: fifteenth century Germany, and the person who started it may
Speaker 1: or may not have even existed. It's a gentleman named
Speaker 1: Christian rosen Crates Um may be a fictional human maybe not,
Speaker 1: but was the founder of the Rosicrucians or the rose
Speaker 1: Cross Society. Yeah so, um, the founder rosenkreuz Um supposedly
Speaker 1: got together some Turkish Sufi Persian mystical knowledge, put it
Speaker 1: all in like a nice three ring binder turned to
Speaker 1: some doctor friends and said, let's form a society based
Speaker 1: on this mystical knowledge and do all sorts of neat
Speaker 1: like incantations and stuff like that. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's just take over the world while we're at it too.
Speaker 1: And I don't even get the impression that we're a
Speaker 1: certain that any of this ever existed, that it was
Speaker 1: written about years later, maybe centuries later. Um, but that
Speaker 1: it was possibly one of those things where it was
Speaker 1: like a self fulfilling prophecy, like new groups actually did
Speaker 1: establish themselves after the fiction came out. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but um, it definitely did. Whatever those books were that
Speaker 1: introduced Rosicrucianism to Europe, um. They definitely did influence the
Speaker 1: Enlightenment and Enlightenment thinkers, including Thomas Payne and um. Thomas
Speaker 1: Paine is kind of one of the overlooked founding fathers uh,
Speaker 1: and he really was a founding father. He was, um,
Speaker 1: he was, he founded the or, he came up with
Speaker 1: the idea for the Declaration of Independence. He really kind
Speaker 1: of um lobbied for a constitution in America. But he
Speaker 1: also wrote Age of Reason being an investigation of the
Speaker 1: True and Fabulous theology. He was a deist and he
Speaker 1: thought you could use rationalization or rationalism to investigate religion
Speaker 1: and that a lot of it was just superstition. So
Speaker 1: if you're like a hardcore Christian, you don't really think
Speaker 1: very highly of Thomas Paine. But the Age of Reason thing,
Speaker 1: remember on the cap stone that said let this be
Speaker 1: a way into the Age of Reason on the guidestones.
Speaker 1: That's how a lot of people connect the Rosicrucians to
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones, right, because Thomas Paine was apparently connected
Speaker 1: to them. Right. Yes, Okay, so the rose it's hard
Speaker 1: to say that word for me, The Rosa Crucians, I
Speaker 1: keep wanting to say the Rosa Christians for some reason. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like you said, they popped up before the Enlightenment and
Speaker 1: then kind of went away, and then later pop back
Speaker 1: up in the nineteenth century when there was a big
Speaker 1: revival in the Europe and the US of these sort
Speaker 1: of occult slash secret societies. A couple of them are
Speaker 1: still around today. Apparently the ancient mystical order Rose Crucis
Speaker 1: uh and the Rosicrucian Fellowship are still around. Um. But again,
Speaker 1: who knows if any of the original stuff was actually
Speaker 1: real or just the work of fiction. Either way, um,
Speaker 1: people you know, some people think it might have been
Speaker 1: the Rosicrucians behind these guidestones. And again, like the rose
Speaker 1: Crucians is, it's a secret mystical society, but it also
Speaker 1: is potentially engaged in trying to take over the world.
Speaker 1: So that's what we'd give it, a really ominous association,
Speaker 1: right yeah. And or it also has been theorized that
Speaker 1: it was just a red herring to make people think
Speaker 1: it it was the Rosa Crucians when it really wasn't
Speaker 1: at all, just to get people to sniff them off
Speaker 1: the case. And so the Rosa Crucians there are a
Speaker 1: widely held suspect um and then of course that um
Speaker 1: logically leads to the next subspect Ted Turner. This is
Speaker 1: very tenuous to me, I guess because Ted Turner was
Speaker 1: really rich um, maybe a little eccentric, but not really
Speaker 1: um in the grand scheme of things. But he did
Speaker 1: create what's known as the Turner Doomsday video, which was
Speaker 1: this video that he created and said basically, this is
Speaker 1: the last thing CNN should air if the world was ending.
Speaker 1: And you think, oh my god, what was the Turner
Speaker 1: doomsday video. It's just this one minute video of a
Speaker 1: military band playing the hymn Nearer My God to the
Speaker 1: with one of the loveliest ms out there, is one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. But that that's all it is. That's it,
Speaker 1: that's it. There's over the instructions for surviving the apocalypse,
Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's the lamest doomsday video of all time.
Speaker 1: It just has a network sign off, is what it is. Right.
Speaker 1: But he the reason they called the doomsday videos because
Speaker 1: when he brought CNN onto the air, he said that, um,
Speaker 1: it would keep it would stay on the air until
Speaker 1: you know, the end of the world. So that's where
Speaker 1: the doomsday thing came from. And then the other thing that,
Speaker 1: like you said, Ted Turners maybe was a little out
Speaker 1: there or whatever, at least for his time, like he
Speaker 1: did oversee Captain Planet, that cartoon on TBS in the
Speaker 1: early nineties. Um, but he also gave a billion dollars
Speaker 1: which at the time was a third of his wealth
Speaker 1: to the u N to to establish the u N Foundation,
Speaker 1: which was involved in gender equality, which I think might
Speaker 1: have had some aspects of family planning to it. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's where the eugenics tieing comes from, or the
Speaker 1: population control. And then also has really engaged in environmentalism too.
Speaker 1: So um, that whole harmony with be not a cancer
Speaker 1: the earth thing just really implicates Ted Turner. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you if you grew up in Atlanta in the seventies
Speaker 1: and eighties, Ted Turner was a big deal. Uh, it
Speaker 1: was a name you heard a lot. He owned the Braves,
Speaker 1: He owned the Falcons for or no, no, I think
Speaker 1: he owned the Braves and the Hawks. Yeah, um for
Speaker 1: a long time, and uh was our sort of most
Speaker 1: famous uh dude in town. And I remember seeing him
Speaker 1: at a Willie Nelson concert at Chastain Like it was
Speaker 1: a while ago, but it wasn't way back then. It
Speaker 1: was in the probably early two thousand's. Uh, and I
Speaker 1: got a real kick out of it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen him out in Atlanta before. I was like,
Speaker 1: holy cow, there's Ted Turner. I tipped my scotch to
Speaker 1: you know. He was with a couple of uh, younger women.
Speaker 1: He's with a couple of younger ladies. But I think
Speaker 1: they were, Um, I think they might have been family
Speaker 1: members or something, is what someone told me. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was like out Fox Stratton with a couple
Speaker 1: of gotcha young young girls. He was no stone silver
Speaker 1: Fox like RC. Christian. Oh sure he was. He kidn't
Speaker 1: make now. He was a handsome man. But the upshot
Speaker 1: of Ted Turner's involvement as one of the suspects is
Speaker 1: basically strictly because of his proximity to Alberton. That's it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is it. If Ted Turner was a billionaire in Kansas,
Speaker 1: his name would have nothing to do with this whatsoever.
Speaker 1: So that makes him a very lame suspect. I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna say suspect denied. We need a little sound
Speaker 1: effect there. Uh if Jerry listened to these episodes and
Speaker 1: we might actually get I know it's gonna be great
Speaker 1: that because we're gonna say all this and it's gonna
Speaker 1: pass by silently. Alright. So who else we could talk about,
Speaker 1: um some religious galbaty cook. Because from the beginning, there
Speaker 1: were Christians nearby that said, this is the work of
Speaker 1: the devil. Uh, and this is like satanic occultis stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: There was a Christian minister named Reagan R. Davis who
Speaker 1: visited in two thousand to the Guide Stones and said,
Speaker 1: these are the ten commandments of the Antichrist and this
Speaker 1: is a culling of the human population by the anti Christians,
Speaker 1: is basically what we're looking at. And then of course
Speaker 1: all kinds of right wing conspiracy crack pots get involved
Speaker 1: and start calling them, uh, you know, Satan based or
Speaker 1: Luciferian secret societies and the New World Orders coming and
Speaker 1: all of that fun stuff that exists on the fringe,
Speaker 1: right yeah. And so I mean there's some holes in
Speaker 1: those theories that this is a the new World Order
Speaker 1: headed by the elite who are actually following the anti
Speaker 1: Christ who was being powered by Lucifer himself. And where
Speaker 1: the holes, right, the holes are that this monument, which
Speaker 1: is it was impressive, right, is a neat feat, especially
Speaker 1: for the people of Alberton, but it objectively pales in
Speaker 1: comparison to even the ruins of Stonehenge. That this is
Speaker 1: the best that the Luciferian elite of the New World
Speaker 1: World Order, right, the richest of the rich, the most
Speaker 1: powerful of the powerful. This is this is the best
Speaker 1: they could do. And they put it in Alberton, Georgia.
Speaker 1: And there's just the one. And this is how they
Speaker 1: revealed their plans. Right. They wouldn't just go ahead and
Speaker 1: carry out like mass sterilization projects, or actually go ahead
Speaker 1: and create the one world currency in government. They would
Speaker 1: just erect this relatively small monument in the most rural
Speaker 1: of rural Georgia and just leave it at that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and wait decades for the news to trickle out from
Speaker 1: the Alberton County Times to the Alberton six o'clock news
Speaker 1: and then the Atlanta six o'clock news and so on
Speaker 1: and so on until it takes over the world. Yes, so,
Speaker 1: and I saw it like put his like that, really
Speaker 1: it was the New World Order, like having a laugh
Speaker 1: by making just so blatant and just even more ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I didn't when I when I was like,
Speaker 1: we should do one on the Georgia guidestones, it didn't
Speaker 1: even occur to me that it was going to take
Speaker 1: us down the path of conspiracy theorists. But it really
Speaker 1: did because they latched onto this, and so I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this, Chuck, I was like, why, why, you know,
Speaker 1: what is it about that? I mean, obviously it's mysterious,
Speaker 1: and you know, some of the stuff that's talking about
Speaker 1: is kind of weird and scary and possibly downright immoral, right,
Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, it's like people who
Speaker 1: are into conspiracy theories are unsettled by uncertainty, and so
Speaker 1: they need, like it's way scarier to have an indifferent
Speaker 1: world that that couldn't care less about you, that doesn't
Speaker 1: even know you exist, and that is so complex it
Speaker 1: can't possibly make sense to anybody that's way scarier than you. No,
Speaker 1: there's actually a cabal led by the Antichrist that it
Speaker 1: probably involves Nancy Pelosi that we can like focus all
Speaker 1: of our attention and energy on. It makes it less scary,
Speaker 1: It gives it a form. Whenever you give something form,
Speaker 1: it becomes less scary. And then also this is my
Speaker 1: own theory, it also puts the conspiracy theorist on some
Speaker 1: sort of equal footing, so it gives them importance because
Speaker 1: they are a sworn enemy of that antichrist led cabal,
Speaker 1: and so they're important as well. So I think for
Speaker 1: all of those reasons, it's that's that's why things like
Speaker 1: the Guide Stones attract conspiracy theorists, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why conspiracy theorists exists in general. They're afraid of the world.
Speaker 1: They're afraid of the world, so they make it what
Speaker 1: seems to the rest of us like a far scarier
Speaker 1: place because they can't accept that it's just not that
Speaker 1: way at all, that things just aren't that neat and
Speaker 1: tidy and black and white. They're basically all gray. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they're also fed a steady diet of paranoia and
Speaker 1: doomsday uh news and paranoia news, and it in filtrates
Speaker 1: their brains. So you know, you can also go outside
Speaker 1: and the planet flower and drink in some sunshine, take
Speaker 1: a walk. Yeah, yeah, it did. It's very sad, like
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not mad at them, I feel bad
Speaker 1: for them. I'm mad at like the people who profit
Speaker 1: off of it, the ones who like stoke those claims.
Speaker 1: I consider them. They're like expansive thinkers with small minds.
Speaker 1: That's what like the leaders of conspiracy theorist kind of
Speaker 1: world remind me of, you know, no, But otherwise you're right,
Speaker 1: it's a very sad life. It is because you're just
Speaker 1: scared or mad all the time, all the time, my soapbox.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll mention Freemasons and take a break and
Speaker 1: reveal some some clues here. But obviously the Freemasons are
Speaker 1: gonna pop up anytime you talk about the New World Order.
Speaker 1: Alberton itself, um, of course as a small town in Georgia,
Speaker 1: so there are Freemasons there. Uh. Samuel Albert, who founded Elberton,
Speaker 1: built a Masonic lodge. A lot of people say that
Speaker 1: family and Martin were both Masons, which is no big
Speaker 1: surprise in a small town. That's a very common thing
Speaker 1: for civic and business leaders to be Masons. So, but
Speaker 1: Freemason's are always targeted with a conspiracy minded stuff, so
Speaker 1: of course they were going to be mentioned as well.
Speaker 1: You can listen to our episode on Mason's that we
Speaker 1: did years and years ago, many years. Um. So let's
Speaker 1: take that break and we'll come back and perhaps reveal
Speaker 1: the real identity of R. C. Christian right after this stop. Okay, Chuck,
Speaker 1: So we're back, and I think it's high time that
Speaker 1: we revealed the possible identity of R. C. Christian. And
Speaker 1: it is not nearly as um earth shaking as you'd think,
Speaker 1: because it's possible it as a crank from Iowa. Maybe. UM.
Speaker 1: There's a documentary from about seven years ago called Dark
Speaker 1: Clouds over Elberton, Colin the True Story of the Georgia Guidestones.
Speaker 1: It's a Christian documentary filmmaker name named Christian Pinto that's
Speaker 1: as Christian as very much. And this filmmaker basically said,
Speaker 1: there's a gentleman named Herbert Henzi Kirsten Uh from Fort Dodge, Iowa.
Speaker 1: He was a doctor born in nineteen twenty and he
Speaker 1: was outed as and there's some pretty pretty good little
Speaker 1: convincing clues here for sure that this might have been
Speaker 1: the dude. So. UM. He was a Republican, check, he
Speaker 1: was into the environment, he was a conservationist. UM. He
Speaker 1: supposedly in a letter to the South Florida Sun Sentinel,
Speaker 1: UM talked about like how David Duke was one of
Speaker 1: the few politicians representing America UM and The thing is, though,
Speaker 1: is he's saying like David Duke is leading America. And remember,
Speaker 1: David Duke was like the head of the ku Klux
Speaker 1: Klan who kind of supposedly disavowed the clan and tried
Speaker 1: to run for public office many times in the eighties.
Speaker 1: He won at some point, right, did he please tell
Speaker 1: me he did? And I thought he was unsuccessful every time.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure what it was off the dumb, but
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he won at one point. Well, that
Speaker 1: is pretty shameful. Whatever state elected David Duke, that's pretty
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. Okay, okay, so um, But he was supporting
Speaker 1: David Duke in this quote new era of internationalism, So
Speaker 1: it sounds like he wasn't down with internationalism, which would
Speaker 1: kind of go against the whole idea of creating world
Speaker 1: courts and the like. Uh. I had to look it up.
Speaker 1: David Duke. Yeah, he was in the Louisiana State House
Speaker 1: of Representatives for a little while. Um. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Um. But also in his obituary when Kirsten
Speaker 1: died in two thousand five, it said that he was
Speaker 1: very involved in environmental and world population issues. Uh, and
Speaker 1: held ay quote broad vision of humanity. So I guess
Speaker 1: some stuff kind of checks out, some stuff kind of doesn't.
Speaker 1: One of the things that links him though, to at
Speaker 1: least Um Martin. Whyatt Martin, Um, the banker from the
Speaker 1: Granite State Bank who was the one person who knew
Speaker 1: who R. C. Christian was, was that there was definitely correspondence.
Speaker 1: Uh that was I guess it was written down in
Speaker 1: a log or something, but that Herbert Kirsten and Whyat
Speaker 1: Martin did correspond at some point. So that's I think
Speaker 1: what really kind of links them more than anything. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. Um. Interesting, And I don't
Speaker 1: think we mentioned too when Christian arc Christian corresponded with Martin.
Speaker 1: They were letters sent from kind of all over the
Speaker 1: United States, I guess in a bid to keep the
Speaker 1: identity a secret. Yeah that's what I took it as too. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that Kirsten actually was in touch, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, pretty pretty good clue there. But we should
Speaker 1: also say that that South Florida's on Sentinel Calumnists said
Speaker 1: that his letter from is full of exclamation points and
Speaker 1: underlined words, which automatically says, don't take me seriously. Um,
Speaker 1: there's another theory that I think it's pretty lame. Basically
Speaker 1: is that the Alberton Granite Association kind of surreptitiously or
Speaker 1: at least under the table, ordered this thing, uh to
Speaker 1: stir up a lot of um maybe not conspiracy, but
Speaker 1: just interest as a tourist attraction, and it was just
Speaker 1: sort of an inside job for the county to begin with,
Speaker 1: and it ended up you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: people from around the world eventually would come and see
Speaker 1: this thing, uh and check it out in person. So
Speaker 1: it did work. But I just don't know if if
Speaker 1: that holds up well. Even at first in the internally
Speaker 1: in the town, Friendly and Martin the grantit finisher and
Speaker 1: the banker were accused of being the ones behind it,
Speaker 1: and they actually took very publicly lie detector tests I
Speaker 1: think it Alberton City Hall and both passed. So after
Speaker 1: that they the cloud of suspicion they were under kind
Speaker 1: of past. But um, yeah, that was I guess kind
Speaker 1: of a bit of a controversy from the outset because
Speaker 1: you know, um, Findley really kind of made out with
Speaker 1: this job and it just kind of dropped into his lap.
Speaker 1: So I think some of the other granite finishers were
Speaker 1: suspicious of it. So the guy Charlie Clamp, this carver
Speaker 1: who heard the voices and stuff, his son Mark Clamp,
Speaker 1: which is a great name. UM, would like propose the
Speaker 1: idea for like week long festivals, and they would use
Speaker 1: that as evidence that it was an inside thing. But
Speaker 1: I just saw that as like a younger generation saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: we got this thing, let's like try and make some
Speaker 1: money off of it. Yeah. I think there are plenty
Speaker 1: of people in town. I saw in and there was
Speaker 1: a Wired article that in two thousand nine it was
Speaker 1: like the definitive story that for a long time. UM.
Speaker 1: And they said that it literally put Alberton on the
Speaker 1: map because it was first included in two thousand five
Speaker 1: and National Geographics Geo Tourism Map Guide to Appalachia. There
Speaker 1: you have it. Yeah, And like Alberton would not have
Speaker 1: been included in that had it not been for the
Speaker 1: Georgia guidstone. So yeah, like it definitely had an impact
Speaker 1: on the local economy for decades because it just brought
Speaker 1: people who otherwise would not have shown up. Alright, So
Speaker 1: the guidestones are there for quite a long time, beginning
Speaker 1: in sort of the mid two thousand's. Uh, there was
Speaker 1: some vandalism that started popping up here and there, UM
Speaker 1: spray painting them Jesus will beat you, Satanist, the letter
Speaker 1: you uh no one World government. Uh. Some of them
Speaker 1: talked about nine eleven being an inside job. Some talked
Speaker 1: about Obama like Obama berthers and saying that he was
Speaker 1: a Muslim. My favorite joke, can I share? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're about Yeah, go ahead. My favorite was the
Speaker 1: Council on Foreign Relations is ran by the devil, talk
Speaker 1: about sticking into the new World Order? Am I right?
Speaker 1: My favorite was the isis one which was reported to
Speaker 1: the FBI, But it said I am isis Goddess Love,
Speaker 1: which is you know, talking about the Egyptian goddess? Isis
Speaker 1: not not Isis? Isis not isol isis whoever alerted the
Speaker 1: FBI makes no distinction between those two apparently, Uh, that's right.
Speaker 1: And so these things have been sort of vandalized over
Speaker 1: the years. And this culminated in uh just a little
Speaker 1: over a month ago, July six this year, UM, at
Speaker 1: four am in the morning, a bomb went off in
Speaker 1: and destroyed enough of the Georgia guide stones to call
Speaker 1: them dangerous and call for their complete demolition by the county. Um,
Speaker 1: they have it on video because they did have cameras
Speaker 1: kind of monitoring this thing. Uh, and there was a
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a blurry video that you can
Speaker 1: look it up online. You can see the bomb going off. Um,
Speaker 1: you don't really get a very clear look at the car.
Speaker 1: You don't get a very clear look at a human
Speaker 1: to silver sedan. I looked up just today to see
Speaker 1: if there were any new leads and I think they're
Speaker 1: kind of coming up empty so far on who actually
Speaker 1: demolished this thing. Yeah, I saw that the a t
Speaker 1: F is trying to figure out what explosive was used,
Speaker 1: and the g b I is looking for this person
Speaker 1: who is going to charge them with a terroristic act
Speaker 1: or whatever. But sadly, Albertson voted to give the remains
Speaker 1: over to the Granite Council, and the Granite Council voted
Speaker 1: not to rebuild, So the Georgia guidestones are gone forever.
Speaker 1: Because when there's fundamentalist conspiracy theorists around, we just can't
Speaker 1: have nice things. You can't have nice things. You got
Speaker 1: anything else? I got zero nice things left? All right? Well,
Speaker 1: since Chuck said that everybody, it's time for a listener mail.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this a couple of breakfast emails. Are
Speaker 1: that episode just dropped today? I r l about our
Speaker 1: breakfast foods and people seem to like it. The first
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say is I misspoken. Said sour cream
Speaker 1: on my bagel instead of cream cheat what everybody's been
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, I didn't. Obviously, it was just a
Speaker 1: verbal typo and you didn't even catch it. So um.
Speaker 1: The people that said, hey, you clearly misspoke, thank you.
Speaker 1: The people that are like, what you eat sour cream
Speaker 1: on bagels? Like come on, come on, come on? All right,
Speaker 1: So there's there's a couple of them. Hello, Chaps, really
Speaker 1: enjoyed your show about breakfast. But have you ever had
Speaker 1: a great British fry up a k a. A full
Speaker 1: English breakfast? It's basically a heart attack on a plate. Bacon, sausage,
Speaker 1: grilled tomatoes, baked beans, mushrooms, black pudding, toast and or
Speaker 1: fried bread, hash brown patty style and at least two
Speaker 1: fried eggs, the ultimate hangover your cure, and the greatest
Speaker 1: meal of all time, washed down with copious cups of
Speaker 1: hot tea and complimented with HP brown sauce that is
Speaker 1: from Donna Kay in the UK, and uh, yeah, don
Speaker 1: I've had that. I don't like the mushroom part, and
Speaker 1: I'm not really big on grilled tomatoes. What about the beans?
Speaker 1: Do you like the beans? I do? I love them.
Speaker 1: I'm down with all the really because you know, you
Speaker 1: see those beans and you're like, man, all that's gonna
Speaker 1: be low too with brown sugar, and then you take
Speaker 1: a bite and you're like, oh nope, they're not like
Speaker 1: Georgia barbecue. It tastes like Roger Daltry. That's good. Think
Speaker 1: what a great who reference. I'm pretty proud of that
Speaker 1: one too. Did you write that down? You just think
Speaker 1: of it because you didn't even know. This is coming,
Speaker 1: very very well done. All right, here's the other one. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: Breakfast episode is wonderful. We're gonna do a little Judge
Speaker 1: John Hodgman here. We're gonna actually intervene here and make
Speaker 1: a decision. I keep having to pause the episode to
Speaker 1: text my partner, Uh new mind blowing facts that I
Speaker 1: had learned, and I was hoping you would say something
Speaker 1: that would validate my opinions on brunch, but at last
Speaker 1: you did not brunch is breakfast food at lunchtime, and
Speaker 1: this is the hill I will die on. I start
Speaker 1: this debate regularly as my in laws like to plan
Speaker 1: brunch no lunch food at all for nine am, and
Speaker 1: I argue that the word they're looking for is just breakfast.
Speaker 1: I have no leg to stand on. Thanks for all
Speaker 1: you do, and this is from Stephanie. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: I asked Stephanie a couple of follow up questions. Basically,
Speaker 1: I was like, um, do they sort of alcohol at
Speaker 1: this nine am quote unquote brunch? And do they usually
Speaker 1: eat it like five am? And so this would be
Speaker 1: much much much later for them? Uh? And Stephanie said, Uh,
Speaker 1: my mother and father in law don't really eat breakfast normally.
Speaker 1: Everyone else probably does have something and possibly early since
Speaker 1: most of them are teachers. Um, but nothing agreed. Just
Speaker 1: I think mimosas are fair game, so maybe that's fair
Speaker 1: enough to get it class about his brunch. But uh,
Speaker 1: most of these mimosas are mostly o J unless I'm
Speaker 1: in charge of making them. So I'm gonna rule this
Speaker 1: is just breakfast. Yeah, I would call that boozy breakfast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that ain't brunch brunch. You gotta eat it after
Speaker 1: after ten thirty at least more like Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: would say ten thirties the early, the earliest you'll walk
Speaker 1: past the rooster crowing. Maybe yeah, at that time nine
Speaker 1: a m. Is it's just I'm sorry, Stephanie's in laws.
Speaker 1: It's breakfast and we have ruled on it. I'm Jesse Thorn.
Speaker 1: I mean throw a throw a tuna melt on there.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a case, but if you're deserving breakfast
Speaker 1: items at nine am, then it's breakfast. He really is.
Speaker 1: But then also, Stephanie, I want to put in a
Speaker 1: word for your in laws, like you just lay off
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it brunch if they want to.
Speaker 1: But you're right, yeah, you are correct. If you want
Speaker 1: to be like Stephanie and can solva dispute, No, we
Speaker 1: can't do that, John Dodgment, does that best? The other person?
Speaker 1: What's the other person's name? The first guy? Oh, I
Speaker 1: got you? The first person was I like that swinging
Speaker 1: in though, Chuck, that was great stuff. Donna Kay. Okay,
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