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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here to the whole gang.

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Speaker 1: And this makes this an official episode of the Stuff

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Speaker 1: You Should Know. Please disregard some previous ones where it

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Speaker 1: was just me and Chuck. Just disregard him. I don't

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Speaker 1: even listen to them, And if you have listened to them,

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Speaker 1: actively forget what you learned. Have you ever seen before well,

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Speaker 1: let'sen not reveal what's happened. Did you ever see the

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Speaker 1: Georgia guidestones. I was a bit of a schlub and

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Speaker 1: assume that I would just be able to some other time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: did you No? I never had any interest. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: like passionately interested, but I thought i'd be kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: And then I looked on a map. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's where they are. I don't really feel like going

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Speaker 1: over there, so I'm just going to put it off

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Speaker 1: and put it off. I always thought it was kind

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Speaker 1: of silly, and I still do even more so probably,

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Speaker 1: but sure it's fun to talk about. No, for sure,

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Speaker 1: like this is um I think if you don't take

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Speaker 1: it as partially silly. You are being a little too serious.

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Speaker 1: But that's also not to say like they were intended

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Speaker 1: and as any sort of joke or with any sort

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Speaker 1: of silliness. I think the earnestness with which they were

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Speaker 1: put up, along with the earnestness which with which some

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Speaker 1: people took them, that's what really kind of makes it silly.

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Speaker 1: From like an outside observer's point of view, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. And what we're talking about are what's known

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Speaker 1: as the Georgia Guide Stones a k a. America's Stonehenge.

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Speaker 1: Are are ancient, going all the way back to the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. That's why I always thought it was kind

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Speaker 1: of silly anytime they say like something sort of hyperbolic

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Speaker 1: like that, like this is our stone hinge erected in

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Speaker 1: right circa forty two years before present? What is that? Ghostbusters?

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Speaker 1: There's six years before Ghostbusters? Oh we are we doing

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Speaker 1: that again? No? Maybe just this one time, you know, okay? Um.

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Speaker 1: I get why they call them America's Stonehenge though, because

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Speaker 1: they look a bit like Stonehenge, these giant granite slabs

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Speaker 1: uh set on end with cap stones and such. But

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Speaker 1: I think maybe we should go back now. That we've

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Speaker 1: at least told people what the heck these things are.

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Speaker 1: They're inscribed with words. Uh. And that's all we'll give

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Speaker 1: you for now, and then let's go back and talk

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Speaker 1: about the history, because the story of it is is

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting, I think, definitely interesting. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of mystery that was um purposefully I think,

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Speaker 1: starts at the very beginning when a guy named R. C.

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Speaker 1: Christian showed up in Alberton, Georgia. I believe it's the

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Speaker 1: county seat of albert County, which is in the I

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Speaker 1: think extreme east of Georgia, close to the South Carolina border. Correct. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's about thirty five miles sort of east and

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Speaker 1: where Athens is out there, it's about a hundred miles

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Speaker 1: Athens isn't But Elberton itself is about a hundred miles

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Speaker 1: but it's not like on the border. Okay, And for

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Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar with Atlanta, chuck, how far is

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Speaker 1: Atlanta from? Uh? From Montgomery, Alabama. Oh boy, let me

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Speaker 1: get up my map. So it's in the east of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: It's in as One, I think the publisher of the

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Speaker 1: And um, there's like at the time that all this

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Speaker 1: against superbural. Have you ever been to Madison, Georgia? Sure,

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Speaker 1: Madison is great. It's gorgeous. Man, it is just this

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Speaker 1: hidden littles And yeah, okay, So back to Alberton, right

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Speaker 1: and R. C. Christian in particular summer of nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: their behalf to be the liaison to commission a massive

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Speaker 1: And Finley called ahead apparently and told Martin, like, this

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Speaker 1: I can never be known. Who I'm doing this on

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Speaker 1: From everything that I've ever read, he didn't even tell

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Speaker 1: and he he signed his name anonymous so on this check.

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Speaker 1: So it was very very weird. Like that seems suspicious,

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Speaker 1: This is a very big job for this company. Like

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Speaker 1: They ended up having to jackhammer fourteen feet into the

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Speaker 1: pyramid quarry quarry, which is it quarry Corey? All right?

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Speaker 1: I always say like k w O R r y quarry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because query sounds like a query that you said someone.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the way arc Christian probably said it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah query. I don't know why I said it southern,

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Speaker 1: because we really have no idea where he was from.

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Speaker 1: He could have been from Boss and for all I know,

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Speaker 1: least in a lot of land. And it was a

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Speaker 1: of presented it in stark contrast, um, and it turned

425
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Speaker 1: out to not be correct at all. But at the time, again,

426
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: people were worried about it. But if you were really

427
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. You were probably at least

428
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: a little xenophobic. Um, you're possibly outright racist, and your

429
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: concerns were not about how how fast America's population was growing.

430
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: You're probably concerned about how fast Bangladesh's population was growing,

431
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: or how fast some sub Saharan African nations populations were growing.

432
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Speaker 1: And ultimately you might not have said it what that

433
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: meant for the white race and the white races access

434
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: to all the resources we need to keep being happy. Yeah,

435
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: and you'll see this pop up a little bit throughout

436
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: this that some of these notions were possibly guided by um,

437
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: white supremacy or xenophobia, you know it. It It sort of

438
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: danced around those fringes. Um. Not the least of which

439
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: was that first, you know, limit the world population to

440
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: five hundred million. Uh that were close to four and

441
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: a half billion people on the planet in nineteen eighties.

442
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty drastic reduction. That's an eight percent reduction. Um.

443
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a pretty foreboding thing to list

444
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: as your first guideline, I think, right exactly, it's but yeah,

445
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: especially if you don't mean it as like a post

446
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: apocalyptic guide, but something we need to do in the future.

447
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: That is just downright scary because first of all, that

448
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: means a lot of people are going to die, but

449
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: also who exactly is calling the shots about who lives

450
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Speaker 1: and who dies and who are these people to to

451
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: say or do something like that. So it takes a

452
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty large amount of just entitlement in general to

453
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: choose that and then inscribe it as your first guide

454
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Speaker 1: on some rocks that you leave standing ostensibly for hundreds

455
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, and so you couple that with guide

456
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Speaker 1: reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. That's improving fitness is

457
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: sort of the key line that sort of reeks of

458
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: eugenics obviously, uh. And then also you're not humanity with

459
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: the new living language and the idea of a world court.

460
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: All these things are sort of ideas that have been

461
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: bandied about and on the fringes of uh, the Internet

462
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: and conspiracy minded sites about the new world order and

463
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: things like that. And we're not going to dive too

464
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: deep into that world, but suffice to say that these

465
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: are the kind of alarm bells that are going off

466
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: when certain people read the Georgia guide Stones. Yeah, because

467
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm not I couldn't find out who originally interpreted as such.

468
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: But the Book of Revelations apparently has been interpreted to

469
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: talk about a world government and be wary of a

470
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: world government because that's the Antichrist who's going to be

471
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: leading it, and they will lead you know, the world

472
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: into darkness and the final fight with God and all

473
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. So, um, if you read the quotes, you're like,

474
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't quite know how you got here. But there's

475
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people who's subscribe to that. So when

476
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: they were talking about you know, world courts, that really

477
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: kind of raised the antenna of some fundamentalists and fringe Christians. Yeah,

478
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: it's good way to say it, um, But we we

479
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: can talk about some of the theories as to um,

480
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: maybe who this group might have been, because again Christian

481
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: said that he represented a group of people and it

482
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: wasn't just like his you know, this idea of some

483
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, rich billionaire, although you never know it could

484
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: have been the case because we don't know the truth.

485
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: But the Rosa Crucians, and I believe we talked about

486
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: them and one of our episodes at some point really

487
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: rings a bell. But they were, uh, this society a

488
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: secret society. Those are always fun. That started in the

489
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: fifteenth century Germany, and the person who started it may

490
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: or may not have even existed. It's a gentleman named

491
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: Christian rosen Crates Um may be a fictional human maybe not,

492
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: but was the founder of the Rosicrucians or the rose

493
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: Cross Society. Yeah so, um, the founder rosenkreuz Um supposedly

494
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: got together some Turkish Sufi Persian mystical knowledge, put it

495
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: all in like a nice three ring binder turned to

496
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: some doctor friends and said, let's form a society based

497
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: on this mystical knowledge and do all sorts of neat

498
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: like incantations and stuff like that. And I don't know,

499
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: let's just take over the world while we're at it too.

500
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: And I don't even get the impression that we're a

501
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: certain that any of this ever existed, that it was

502
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: written about years later, maybe centuries later. Um, but that

503
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: it was possibly one of those things where it was

504
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: like a self fulfilling prophecy, like new groups actually did

505
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: establish themselves after the fiction came out. I'm not sure,

506
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: but um, it definitely did. Whatever those books were that

507
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: introduced Rosicrucianism to Europe, um. They definitely did influence the

508
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: Enlightenment and Enlightenment thinkers, including Thomas Payne and um. Thomas

509
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Paine is kind of one of the overlooked founding fathers uh,

510
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: and he really was a founding father. He was, um,

511
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: he was, he founded the or, he came up with

512
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: the idea for the Declaration of Independence. He really kind

513
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: of um lobbied for a constitution in America. But he

514
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: also wrote Age of Reason being an investigation of the

515
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: True and Fabulous theology. He was a deist and he

516
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: thought you could use rationalization or rationalism to investigate religion

517
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: and that a lot of it was just superstition. So

518
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: if you're like a hardcore Christian, you don't really think

519
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: very highly of Thomas Paine. But the Age of Reason thing,

520
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: remember on the cap stone that said let this be

521
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: a way into the Age of Reason on the guidestones.

522
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: That's how a lot of people connect the Rosicrucians to

523
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones, right, because Thomas Paine was apparently connected

524
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: to them. Right. Yes, Okay, so the rose it's hard

525
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: to say that word for me, The Rosa Crucians, I

526
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: keep wanting to say the Rosa Christians for some reason. Uh,

527
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: Like you said, they popped up before the Enlightenment and

528
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: then kind of went away, and then later pop back

529
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: up in the nineteenth century when there was a big

530
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: revival in the Europe and the US of these sort

531
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: of occult slash secret societies. A couple of them are

532
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: still around today. Apparently the ancient mystical order Rose Crucis

533
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: uh and the Rosicrucian Fellowship are still around. Um. But again,

534
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: who knows if any of the original stuff was actually

535
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: real or just the work of fiction. Either way, um,

536
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: people you know, some people think it might have been

537
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: the Rosicrucians behind these guidestones. And again, like the rose

538
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: Crucians is, it's a secret mystical society, but it also

539
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: is potentially engaged in trying to take over the world.

540
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: So that's what we'd give it, a really ominous association,

541
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: right yeah. And or it also has been theorized that

542
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: it was just a red herring to make people think

543
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: it it was the Rosa Crucians when it really wasn't

544
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: at all, just to get people to sniff them off

545
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: the case. And so the Rosa Crucians there are a

546
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: widely held suspect um and then of course that um

547
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: logically leads to the next subspect Ted Turner. This is

548
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: very tenuous to me, I guess because Ted Turner was

549
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: really rich um, maybe a little eccentric, but not really

550
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: um in the grand scheme of things. But he did

551
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: create what's known as the Turner Doomsday video, which was

552
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: this video that he created and said basically, this is

553
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: the last thing CNN should air if the world was ending.

554
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: And you think, oh my god, what was the Turner

555
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: doomsday video. It's just this one minute video of a

556
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: military band playing the hymn Nearer My God to the

557
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: with one of the loveliest ms out there, is one

558
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: of my favorites. But that that's all it is. That's it,

559
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: that's it. There's over the instructions for surviving the apocalypse,

560
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's the lamest doomsday video of all time.

561
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: It just has a network sign off, is what it is. Right.

562
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: But he the reason they called the doomsday videos because

563
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: when he brought CNN onto the air, he said that, um,

564
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: it would keep it would stay on the air until

565
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, the end of the world. So that's where

566
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: the doomsday thing came from. And then the other thing that,

567
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: like you said, Ted Turners maybe was a little out

568
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: there or whatever, at least for his time, like he

569
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: did oversee Captain Planet, that cartoon on TBS in the

570
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: early nineties. Um, but he also gave a billion dollars

571
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: which at the time was a third of his wealth

572
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: to the u N to to establish the u N Foundation,

573
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: which was involved in gender equality, which I think might

574
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: have had some aspects of family planning to it. So

575
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: maybe that's where the eugenics tieing comes from, or the

576
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: population control. And then also has really engaged in environmentalism too.

577
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: So um, that whole harmony with be not a cancer

578
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: the earth thing just really implicates Ted Turner. Yeah, if

579
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you if you grew up in Atlanta in the seventies

580
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: and eighties, Ted Turner was a big deal. Uh, it

581
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: was a name you heard a lot. He owned the Braves,

582
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: He owned the Falcons for or no, no, I think

583
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: he owned the Braves and the Hawks. Yeah, um for

584
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: a long time, and uh was our sort of most

585
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: famous uh dude in town. And I remember seeing him

586
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: at a Willie Nelson concert at Chastain Like it was

587
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: a while ago, but it wasn't way back then. It

588
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: was in the probably early two thousand's. Uh, and I

589
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: got a real kick out of it. I was like,

590
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen him out in Atlanta before. I was like,

591
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: holy cow, there's Ted Turner. I tipped my scotch to

592
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: you know. He was with a couple of uh, younger women.

593
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: He's with a couple of younger ladies. But I think

594
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: they were, Um, I think they might have been family

595
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: members or something, is what someone told me. I don't

596
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: think he was like out Fox Stratton with a couple

597
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: of gotcha young young girls. He was no stone silver

598
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Fox like RC. Christian. Oh sure he was. He kidn't

599
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: make now. He was a handsome man. But the upshot

600
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: of Ted Turner's involvement as one of the suspects is

601
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: basically strictly because of his proximity to Alberton. That's it, Yeah,

602
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: that is it. If Ted Turner was a billionaire in Kansas,

603
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: his name would have nothing to do with this whatsoever.

604
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: So that makes him a very lame suspect. I think

605
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna say suspect denied. We need a little sound

606
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: effect there. Uh if Jerry listened to these episodes and

607
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: we might actually get I know it's gonna be great

608
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: that because we're gonna say all this and it's gonna

609
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: pass by silently. Alright. So who else we could talk about,

610
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: um some religious galbaty cook. Because from the beginning, there

611
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: were Christians nearby that said, this is the work of

612
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: the devil. Uh, and this is like satanic occultis stuff. Um.

613
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: There was a Christian minister named Reagan R. Davis who

614
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: visited in two thousand to the Guide Stones and said,

615
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: these are the ten commandments of the Antichrist and this

616
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: is a culling of the human population by the anti Christians,

617
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: is basically what we're looking at. And then of course

618
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: all kinds of right wing conspiracy crack pots get involved

619
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: and start calling them, uh, you know, Satan based or

620
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: Luciferian secret societies and the New World Orders coming and

621
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: all of that fun stuff that exists on the fringe,

622
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: right yeah. And so I mean there's some holes in

623
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: those theories that this is a the new World Order

624
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: headed by the elite who are actually following the anti

625
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: Christ who was being powered by Lucifer himself. And where

626
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: the holes, right, the holes are that this monument, which

627
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: is it was impressive, right, is a neat feat, especially

628
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: for the people of Alberton, but it objectively pales in

629
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: comparison to even the ruins of Stonehenge. That this is

630
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 1: the best that the Luciferian elite of the New World

631
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: World Order, right, the richest of the rich, the most

632
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: powerful of the powerful. This is this is the best

633
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: they could do. And they put it in Alberton, Georgia.

634
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: And there's just the one. And this is how they

635
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: revealed their plans. Right. They wouldn't just go ahead and

636
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: carry out like mass sterilization projects, or actually go ahead

637
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: and create the one world currency in government. They would

638
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: just erect this relatively small monument in the most rural

639
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: of rural Georgia and just leave it at that. Yeah,

640
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: and wait decades for the news to trickle out from

641
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: the Alberton County Times to the Alberton six o'clock news

642
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: and then the Atlanta six o'clock news and so on

643
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and so on until it takes over the world. Yes, so,

644
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: and I saw it like put his like that, really

645
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: it was the New World Order, like having a laugh

646
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: by making just so blatant and just even more ridiculous,

647
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, I didn't when I when I was like,

648
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: we should do one on the Georgia guidestones, it didn't

649
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: even occur to me that it was going to take

650
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: us down the path of conspiracy theorists. But it really

651
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: did because they latched onto this, and so I was

652
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: thinking about this, Chuck, I was like, why, why, you know,

653
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: what is it about that? I mean, obviously it's mysterious,

654
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: and you know, some of the stuff that's talking about

655
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: is kind of weird and scary and possibly downright immoral, right,

656
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, it's like people who

657
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: are into conspiracy theories are unsettled by uncertainty, and so

658
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: they need, like it's way scarier to have an indifferent

659
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: world that that couldn't care less about you, that doesn't

660
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: even know you exist, and that is so complex it

661
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: can't possibly make sense to anybody that's way scarier than you. No,

662
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: there's actually a cabal led by the Antichrist that it

663
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: probably involves Nancy Pelosi that we can like focus all

664
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: of our attention and energy on. It makes it less scary,

665
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: It gives it a form. Whenever you give something form,

666
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: it becomes less scary. And then also this is my

667
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: own theory, it also puts the conspiracy theorist on some

668
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: sort of equal footing, so it gives them importance because

669
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: they are a sworn enemy of that antichrist led cabal,

670
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: and so they're important as well. So I think for

671
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: all of those reasons, it's that's that's why things like

672
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: the Guide Stones attract conspiracy theorists, and I think that's

673
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: why conspiracy theorists exists in general. They're afraid of the world.

674
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: They're afraid of the world, so they make it what

675
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: seems to the rest of us like a far scarier

676
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: place because they can't accept that it's just not that

677
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: way at all, that things just aren't that neat and

678
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: tidy and black and white. They're basically all gray. Yeah,

679
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: And they're also fed a steady diet of paranoia and

680
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: doomsday uh news and paranoia news, and it in filtrates

681
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: their brains. So you know, you can also go outside

682
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: and the planet flower and drink in some sunshine, take

683
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: a walk. Yeah, yeah, it did. It's very sad, like

684
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not mad at them, I feel bad

685
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: for them. I'm mad at like the people who profit

686
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: off of it, the ones who like stoke those claims.

687
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: I consider them. They're like expansive thinkers with small minds.

688
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: That's what like the leaders of conspiracy theorist kind of

689
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: world remind me of, you know, no, But otherwise you're right,

690
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: it's a very sad life. It is because you're just

691
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: scared or mad all the time, all the time, my soapbox.

692
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: All right, we'll mention Freemasons and take a break and

693
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: reveal some some clues here. But obviously the Freemasons are

694
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: gonna pop up anytime you talk about the New World Order.

695
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Alberton itself, um, of course as a small town in Georgia,

696
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: so there are Freemasons there. Uh. Samuel Albert, who founded Elberton,

697
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: built a Masonic lodge. A lot of people say that

698
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: family and Martin were both Masons, which is no big

699
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: surprise in a small town. That's a very common thing

700
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: for civic and business leaders to be Masons. So, but

701
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Freemason's are always targeted with a conspiracy minded stuff, so

702
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: of course they were going to be mentioned as well.

703
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: You can listen to our episode on Mason's that we

704
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: did years and years ago, many years. Um. So let's

705
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: take that break and we'll come back and perhaps reveal

706
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: the real identity of R. C. Christian right after this stop. Okay, Chuck,

707
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: So we're back, and I think it's high time that

708
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: we revealed the possible identity of R. C. Christian. And

709
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: it is not nearly as um earth shaking as you'd think,

710
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: because it's possible it as a crank from Iowa. Maybe. UM.

711
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: There's a documentary from about seven years ago called Dark

712
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: Clouds over Elberton, Colin the True Story of the Georgia Guidestones.

713
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: It's a Christian documentary filmmaker name named Christian Pinto that's

714
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: as Christian as very much. And this filmmaker basically said,

715
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: there's a gentleman named Herbert Henzi Kirsten Uh from Fort Dodge, Iowa.

716
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: He was a doctor born in nineteen twenty and he

717
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: was outed as and there's some pretty pretty good little

718
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: convincing clues here for sure that this might have been

719
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: the dude. So. UM. He was a Republican, check, he

720
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: was into the environment, he was a conservationist. UM. He

721
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: supposedly in a letter to the South Florida Sun Sentinel,

722
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: UM talked about like how David Duke was one of

723
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: the few politicians representing America UM and The thing is, though,

724
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: is he's saying like David Duke is leading America. And remember,

725
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: David Duke was like the head of the ku Klux

726
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Klan who kind of supposedly disavowed the clan and tried

727
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: to run for public office many times in the eighties.

728
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: He won at some point, right, did he please tell

729
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: me he did? And I thought he was unsuccessful every time.

730
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure what it was off the dumb, but

731
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he won at one point. Well, that

732
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: is pretty shameful. Whatever state elected David Duke, that's pretty

733
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. Okay, okay, so um, But he was supporting

734
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: David Duke in this quote new era of internationalism, So

735
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: it sounds like he wasn't down with internationalism, which would

736
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of go against the whole idea of creating world

737
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: courts and the like. Uh. I had to look it up.

738
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: David Duke. Yeah, he was in the Louisiana State House

739
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: of Representatives for a little while. Um. Yeah, that's a

740
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: good point. Um. But also in his obituary when Kirsten

741
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: died in two thousand five, it said that he was

742
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: very involved in environmental and world population issues. Uh, and

743
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: held ay quote broad vision of humanity. So I guess

744
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: some stuff kind of checks out, some stuff kind of doesn't.

745
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: One of the things that links him though, to at

746
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: least Um Martin. Whyatt Martin, Um, the banker from the

747
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: Granite State Bank who was the one person who knew

748
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: who R. C. Christian was, was that there was definitely correspondence.

749
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Uh that was I guess it was written down in

750
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: a log or something, but that Herbert Kirsten and Whyat

751
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: Martin did correspond at some point. So that's I think

752
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: what really kind of links them more than anything. Oh okay,

753
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. Um. Interesting, And I don't

754
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: think we mentioned too when Christian arc Christian corresponded with Martin.

755
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: They were letters sent from kind of all over the

756
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: United States, I guess in a bid to keep the

757
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: identity a secret. Yeah that's what I took it as too. Okay,

758
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know that Kirsten actually was in touch, So yeah,

759
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, pretty pretty good clue there. But we should

760
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: also say that that South Florida's on Sentinel Calumnists said

761
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: that his letter from is full of exclamation points and

762
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: underlined words, which automatically says, don't take me seriously. Um,

763
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: there's another theory that I think it's pretty lame. Basically

764
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: is that the Alberton Granite Association kind of surreptitiously or

765
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: at least under the table, ordered this thing, uh to

766
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: stir up a lot of um maybe not conspiracy, but

767
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: just interest as a tourist attraction, and it was just

768
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: sort of an inside job for the county to begin with,

769
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: and it ended up you know a lot of people

770
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: people from around the world eventually would come and see

771
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: this thing, uh and check it out in person. So

772
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: it did work. But I just don't know if if

773
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: that holds up well. Even at first in the internally

774
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: in the town, Friendly and Martin the grantit finisher and

775
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: the banker were accused of being the ones behind it,

776
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: and they actually took very publicly lie detector tests I

777
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: think it Alberton City Hall and both passed. So after

778
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: that they the cloud of suspicion they were under kind

779
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: of past. But um, yeah, that was I guess kind

780
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: of a bit of a controversy from the outset because

781
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, um, Findley really kind of made out with

782
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: this job and it just kind of dropped into his lap.

783
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: So I think some of the other granite finishers were

784
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: suspicious of it. So the guy Charlie Clamp, this carver

785
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: who heard the voices and stuff, his son Mark Clamp,

786
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: which is a great name. UM, would like propose the

787
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: idea for like week long festivals, and they would use

788
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: that as evidence that it was an inside thing. But

789
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: I just saw that as like a younger generation saying like, hey,

790
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: we got this thing, let's like try and make some

791
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: money off of it. Yeah. I think there are plenty

792
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: of people in town. I saw in and there was

793
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: a Wired article that in two thousand nine it was

794
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: like the definitive story that for a long time. UM.

795
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: And they said that it literally put Alberton on the

796
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: map because it was first included in two thousand five

797
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: and National Geographics Geo Tourism Map Guide to Appalachia. There

798
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: you have it. Yeah, And like Alberton would not have

799
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: been included in that had it not been for the

800
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Georgia guidstone. So yeah, like it definitely had an impact

801
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: on the local economy for decades because it just brought

802
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: people who otherwise would not have shown up. Alright, So

803
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: the guidestones are there for quite a long time, beginning

804
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: in sort of the mid two thousand's. Uh, there was

805
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: some vandalism that started popping up here and there, UM

806
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: spray painting them Jesus will beat you, Satanist, the letter

807
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: you uh no one World government. Uh. Some of them

808
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: talked about nine eleven being an inside job. Some talked

809
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: about Obama like Obama berthers and saying that he was

810
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: a Muslim. My favorite joke, can I share? Yeah, I

811
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: think you're about Yeah, go ahead. My favorite was the

812
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: Council on Foreign Relations is ran by the devil, talk

813
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: about sticking into the new World Order? Am I right?

814
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: My favorite was the isis one which was reported to

815
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: the FBI, But it said I am isis Goddess Love,

816
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: which is you know, talking about the Egyptian goddess? Isis

817
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: not not Isis? Isis not isol isis whoever alerted the

818
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: FBI makes no distinction between those two apparently, Uh, that's right.

819
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: And so these things have been sort of vandalized over

820
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: the years. And this culminated in uh just a little

821
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: over a month ago, July six this year, UM, at

822
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: four am in the morning, a bomb went off in

823
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: and destroyed enough of the Georgia guide stones to call

824
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: them dangerous and call for their complete demolition by the county. Um,

825
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: they have it on video because they did have cameras

826
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: kind of monitoring this thing. Uh, and there was a

827
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a blurry video that you can

828
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: look it up online. You can see the bomb going off. Um,

829
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: you don't really get a very clear look at the car.

830
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: You don't get a very clear look at a human

831
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: to silver sedan. I looked up just today to see

832
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: if there were any new leads and I think they're

833
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: kind of coming up empty so far on who actually

834
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: demolished this thing. Yeah, I saw that the a t

835
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: F is trying to figure out what explosive was used,

836
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: and the g b I is looking for this person

837
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: who is going to charge them with a terroristic act

838
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. But sadly, Albertson voted to give the remains

839
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: over to the Granite Council, and the Granite Council voted

840
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: not to rebuild, So the Georgia guidestones are gone forever.

841
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: Because when there's fundamentalist conspiracy theorists around, we just can't

842
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: have nice things. You can't have nice things. You got

843
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: anything else? I got zero nice things left? All right? Well,

844
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 1: since Chuck said that everybody, it's time for a listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this a couple of breakfast emails. Are

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Speaker 1: that episode just dropped today? I r l about our

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Speaker 1: breakfast foods and people seem to like it. The first

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Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say is I misspoken. Said sour cream

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Speaker 1: on my bagel instead of cream cheat what everybody's been

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Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, I didn't. Obviously, it was just a

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Speaker 1: verbal typo and you didn't even catch it. So um.

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Speaker 1: The people that said, hey, you clearly misspoke, thank you.

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Speaker 1: The people that are like, what you eat sour cream

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Speaker 1: on bagels? Like come on, come on, come on? All right,

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Speaker 1: So there's there's a couple of them. Hello, Chaps, really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed your show about breakfast. But have you ever had

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Speaker 1: a great British fry up a k a. A full

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Speaker 1: English breakfast? It's basically a heart attack on a plate. Bacon, sausage,

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Speaker 1: grilled tomatoes, baked beans, mushrooms, black pudding, toast and or

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00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: fried bread, hash brown patty style and at least two

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Speaker 1: fried eggs, the ultimate hangover your cure, and the greatest

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Speaker 1: meal of all time, washed down with copious cups of

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Speaker 1: hot tea and complimented with HP brown sauce that is

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Speaker 1: from Donna Kay in the UK, and uh, yeah, don

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Speaker 1: I've had that. I don't like the mushroom part, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not really big on grilled tomatoes. What about the beans?

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Speaker 1: Do you like the beans? I do? I love them.

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Speaker 1: I'm down with all the really because you know, you

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Speaker 1: see those beans and you're like, man, all that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be low too with brown sugar, and then you take

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Speaker 1: a bite and you're like, oh nope, they're not like

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Speaker 1: Georgia barbecue. It tastes like Roger Daltry. That's good. Think

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Speaker 1: what a great who reference. I'm pretty proud of that

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Speaker 1: one too. Did you write that down? You just think

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Speaker 1: of it because you didn't even know. This is coming,

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Speaker 1: very very well done. All right, here's the other one. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: Breakfast episode is wonderful. We're gonna do a little Judge

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Speaker 1: John Hodgman here. We're gonna actually intervene here and make

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Speaker 1: a decision. I keep having to pause the episode to

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Speaker 1: text my partner, Uh new mind blowing facts that I

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Speaker 1: had learned, and I was hoping you would say something

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Speaker 1: that would validate my opinions on brunch, but at last

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Speaker 1: you did not brunch is breakfast food at lunchtime, and

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Speaker 1: this is the hill I will die on. I start

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Speaker 1: this debate regularly as my in laws like to plan

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Speaker 1: brunch no lunch food at all for nine am, and

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Speaker 1: I argue that the word they're looking for is just breakfast.

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Speaker 1: I have no leg to stand on. Thanks for all

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Speaker 1: you do, and this is from Stephanie. Uh. And so

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Speaker 1: I asked Stephanie a couple of follow up questions. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I was like, um, do they sort of alcohol at

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Speaker 1: this nine am quote unquote brunch? And do they usually

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Speaker 1: eat it like five am? And so this would be

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Speaker 1: much much much later for them? Uh? And Stephanie said, Uh,

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Speaker 1: my mother and father in law don't really eat breakfast normally.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else probably does have something and possibly early since

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Speaker 1: most of them are teachers. Um, but nothing agreed. Just

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Speaker 1: I think mimosas are fair game, so maybe that's fair

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Speaker 1: enough to get it class about his brunch. But uh,

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Speaker 1: most of these mimosas are mostly o J unless I'm

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Speaker 1: in charge of making them. So I'm gonna rule this

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Speaker 1: is just breakfast. Yeah, I would call that boozy breakfast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that ain't brunch brunch. You gotta eat it after

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Speaker 1: after ten thirty at least more like Yeah, no, I

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Speaker 1: would say ten thirties the early, the earliest you'll walk

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Speaker 1: past the rooster crowing. Maybe yeah, at that time nine

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Speaker 1: a m. Is it's just I'm sorry, Stephanie's in laws.

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Speaker 1: It's breakfast and we have ruled on it. I'm Jesse Thorn.

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Speaker 1: I mean throw a throw a tuna melt on there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you have a case, but if you're deserving breakfast

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Speaker 1: items at nine am, then it's breakfast. He really is.

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Speaker 1: But then also, Stephanie, I want to put in a

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Speaker 1: word for your in laws, like you just lay off

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it brunch if they want to.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, yeah, you are correct. If you want

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Speaker 1: to be like Stephanie and can solva dispute, No, we

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Speaker 1: can't do that, John Dodgment, does that best? The other person?

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Speaker 1: What's the other person's name? The first guy? Oh, I

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Speaker 1: got you? The first person was I like that swinging

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Speaker 1: in though, Chuck, that was great stuff. Donna Kay. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to be like Stephanie and Donna

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Speaker 1: Kay and get in touch with us, we would love

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Speaker 1: that you can send us an email to stuff podcast

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