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Speaker 1: It's my fave, all right. Well, between the Luca trade
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs getting humiliated, I did not have that
Speaker 1: as a two team parlay. You know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this, listen. The Chiefs are going to be fine.
Speaker 1: They knew they were going to probably draft an offensive
Speaker 1: tackle in the first round, and there's plenty of them.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. Brady's three super Bowl losses, the point
Speaker 1: differential was minus fifteen. He could have literally run the table.
Speaker 1: Mahomes it's minus fifty three. With two super Bowl losses,
Speaker 1: He'll be three and two in Super Bowls. But I
Speaker 1: do think I would say this again, Philadelphia. We both
Speaker 1: said they have the better roster. It's just hard to
Speaker 1: go against Andy Reid on two weeks and Mahomes, who
Speaker 1: never loses close games. I did not think it would
Speaker 1: be this, but I do think. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things I was thinking in the first half is that,
Speaker 1: you know, Brady would always generate something. He was just
Speaker 1: so good pre snap, and it was a little you know, listen,
Speaker 1: I know Philadelphia's defense is dynamic and you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't think Kansas City would run much on them, But
Speaker 1: were you a little disappointed that they couldn't generate six
Speaker 1: and seven yard throws? They couldn't max protect it. It
Speaker 1: was like they weren't moving off their game plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought they were overwhelmed at levels in which you
Speaker 3: just don't see good teams overwhelmed in a line of
Speaker 3: scrimmage because it wasn't just edge pressures, it was interior pressures.
Speaker 2: I mean, Mahomes was under.
Speaker 3: Siege that they had I think seven yards after the
Speaker 3: first quarter Colin or excuse me, nineteen yards on seven plays.
Speaker 3: That's because they got a first down in the first
Speaker 3: play from scrimming, and then they essentially went three and out,
Speaker 3: three and out. So I just thought the defensive line.
Speaker 3: Remember two years ago when the Eagles were in the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, they led the league in sacks and they
Speaker 3: had an excellent defensive line. I don't think this defensive
Speaker 3: line was looked as good as that one because it
Speaker 3: wasn't productive top to bottom. But the way they played tonight,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's as well as you can play. And
Speaker 3: I don't know what you can do when your defensive
Speaker 3: tackles are doing that when your defensive ends are doing that.
Speaker 3: I mean that the Chiefs do have a guard playing
Speaker 3: left tackle right well.
Speaker 1: Ten quarterback hits, six sacks, zero blitzes. I mean think
Speaker 1: about that. And you know, as I was watching this
Speaker 1: game with Philadelphia, I kept thinking about this. You know,
Speaker 1: for years and years when Peyton Manning was in your
Speaker 1: division or Brady was, it affected how people in the
Speaker 1: division drafted. You watch Philadelphia's D and O lines, and
Speaker 1: if you're the Rams or the Lions or San Francisco
Speaker 1: or Dallas, don't you watch this game and think, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I'm the Rams. I'm like, you know, a corner or
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the third round. Like it was so
Speaker 1: dominating that it makes me think all the rivals of
Speaker 1: the Eagles have to look at this and think, you know,
Speaker 1: we've we've got to get better in the lines or
Speaker 1: we're not going to compete with this team for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's to me how he and Andy has
Speaker 3: done this too, and the two Super Bowls they've lost,
Speaker 3: their offensive line has just let him down in those games.
Speaker 3: I mean the Tampa situation, remember they were missing two
Speaker 3: tackles and tonight they just got overwhelmed. But it's not
Speaker 3: just Jalen Carter tonight, right, I Mean Brandon Graham does
Speaker 3: everything to come back.
Speaker 2: Off a torn.
Speaker 3: Shoulder or elbow sweat was incredible. Milton Williams has that
Speaker 3: play destroying. You know, he was a third round pick
Speaker 3: years ago. Like he's about to be a free agent.
Speaker 3: He's gonna get a ton of money. And to me,
Speaker 3: the offensive line for the Eagles, how about the difference
Speaker 3: when they would go back and forth, the Chiefs would
Speaker 3: punt and then the Eagles would come back and you'd
Speaker 3: be like, well, they're just not generating any pressure. Jalen's
Speaker 3: sitting back there having a hot dog. He's having some
Speaker 3: gumbo in the backfield. Just who's open, who's not. I'll
Speaker 3: just scramble where mahomes Within a second, he's moving around,
Speaker 3: scrambling left and right. And yeah, I just think the
Speaker 3: offensive line and defensive line for the Eagles tonight and
Speaker 3: really all season down the stretch once they they remember
Speaker 3: they started slow like two and two, and then since
Speaker 3: then they were the best team in football. And tonight
Speaker 3: they dominated. They absolutely dominated this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean before tonight, Kansas City had won the last
Speaker 1: nine playoff games where they did not score first, where
Speaker 1: they trailed. Yeah, but in those games, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was really interesting even early in the game. My first
Speaker 1: take after the first three drives for each team is
Speaker 1: it's one thing if you make mistakes, if you're nervous.
Speaker 1: I'm like Jesus that Philadelphia is not even adding edge pressure.
Speaker 1: They're just putting their four guys out there and they
Speaker 1: can't block them. You know. You know, as I look
Speaker 1: at over my notes, only three minutes time of possession
Speaker 1: in the first quarter, I think we forget we've been
Speaker 1: spoiled John, We've had First of all, it was a
Speaker 1: great season. The quarterback play has never been better. A
Speaker 1: lot of people that were watching our podcast right now
Speaker 1: are in their twenties and thirties. This is what Super
Speaker 1: Bowls look like in the late seventies and eighties and
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety I can remember. I can remember the Giants
Speaker 1: beating Denver thirty nine to twenty, and then San Francisco
Speaker 1: beating Denver fifty five to ten, and Denver got beat
Speaker 1: by Washington forty two to ten, and then the Raiders
Speaker 1: hammered a couple of teams. You go back to the
Speaker 1: eighties right now, google it. If you're listening to us
Speaker 1: and you're watching at home, this is what super Bowls
Speaker 1: look like. I mean, there was a decade people always
Speaker 1: talking about the seventies NBA where there were no great teams.
Speaker 1: The eighties NFL were very few great Super Bowls. So
Speaker 1: we were on a run. We've had so many good
Speaker 1: Kansas City Buffalo games or Buffalo Baltimore games. We've just
Speaker 1: been so lucky in the AFC with Mahomes and Allen
Speaker 1: and Lamar. But you know, there was a run in
Speaker 1: college football with Alabama. This is what the title games
Speaker 1: were looking like, the Bama Notre Dame. This is what
Speaker 1: super Bowls looked like. So we hadn't had I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought the Celtics Mavericks was a lobsided mess. But
Speaker 1: this is one of those where I think it resonates
Speaker 1: beyond the game. I think you look at Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: they're going to have an impact on the draft and
Speaker 1: free agency. People will feel like, in the NFC, you
Speaker 1: cannot compete with this roster for the next two to
Speaker 1: three years if you just don't get better up front.
Speaker 3: Well, I also think it's pretty rare in you know,
Speaker 3: in football, right the coaches are such stars, where in
Speaker 3: basketball and baseball the executives can be pretty big names.
Speaker 3: You know, in basketball, gms are really big deal. Listen,
Speaker 3: I've known Bret Veech for I don't know, fifteen plus
Speaker 3: years Redvechs stud and he's well known. I mean he
Speaker 3: should be. He's been to five Super Bowls, he won
Speaker 3: three of them. But how he is kind of the
Speaker 3: guy that serves the drink.
Speaker 2: With the Eagles.
Speaker 3: He is much closer to someone in baseball or basketball
Speaker 3: where he's the boss. You know, when they needed coordinators,
Speaker 3: he's going after Vic Fangio. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: take anything away from Sirianni. Clearly the guys, you know,
Speaker 3: they beat to his drum like he gets them going
Speaker 3: from a inspirational standpoint, and he's good with the players.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't call plays or anything. And he's a
Speaker 3: younger guy. It's pretty rare to see a CEO head
Speaker 3: coach in his early forties. But the talent on that
Speaker 3: team and the offseason moves. I mean Colin they signed
Speaker 3: a one year, four million dollars back then, who was
Speaker 3: fantastic guard. They got Zach Bond immediate All Pro, and
Speaker 3: they got Saquon Barkley, who had one of.
Speaker 2: The better seasons of the history of the league.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's large remarkable Howie Roseman became a Hall.
Speaker 2: Of Famer tonight.
Speaker 3: He's two Super Bowls with two different coaches and two
Speaker 3: different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: The last three Eagle drafts Quinnon, Mitchell, Cooper, Dejan Jalen Carter,
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, Nakobe, Dean, cam Jurgens, Davante Smith,
Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson, and Milton Williams not bad. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is just absolutely freaking insane.
Speaker 3: And he is her factorylis factor in aj Brown trade
Speaker 3: uh signed Saquon Barkley. I mean, think about the other
Speaker 3: things he's done on top of those draft picks.
Speaker 1: You know, it makes me think about this. I was
Speaker 1: watching the other day. I was watching Rick Patino at
Speaker 1: Saint John's. Saint John's was a dead program. Rick Patino
Speaker 1: takes it over a couple of years. You're like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: are they one of the seven to eight best teams
Speaker 1: in the country now? I don't know if they are.
Speaker 1: But Patino, who just he grinds his staff, he grinds
Speaker 1: his players. He's a very good recruiter. They're just guys
Speaker 1: that are better. And in every industry, you know, the
Speaker 1: top five percent of reelsters make ninety percent of the money.
Speaker 1: And you just start looking at some of these places
Speaker 1: like since and they can't keep They are two years
Speaker 1: ahead of paying Jamar Chase and they're already bailing on
Speaker 1: defensive players. This roster, the only roster I can compare
Speaker 1: it to is the Seahawks roster, you know, the one
Speaker 1: that Brady beat in the Super Bowl, where I mean
Speaker 1: they just they're defensively it was it just Richard Sherman.
Speaker 3: Earl Thomas, cam Chancellor, I mean, Michael Bennett. They were
Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner in his prime. They were loaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were absolutely loaded. But yeah, do you you know, listen,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, I don't think there's much you can do.
Speaker 1: I just think they got sacked. And both, by the way,
Speaker 1: both Super Bowls at Kansas City's gotten drubbed. They just
Speaker 1: couldn't protect Mahomes. But it was different in the first one.
Speaker 1: They were missing a left tackle. They moved Toney over.
Speaker 1: It was still a mess and nothing they could do.
Speaker 1: Do you you know It's interesting about this is that
Speaker 1: I'm watching Jalen Hurts tonight, And I've always said I
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a B plus guy in the pocket,
Speaker 1: really good athlete. I love his personality, like Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: really mature in an a noisy locker room and a
Speaker 1: noisy coach and a noisy city and a noisy you know,
Speaker 1: talk radio. He's just a perfect kind of temperament, just
Speaker 1: a really mature, smart kid. But you know, I was
Speaker 1: watching him tonight. First of all, there's there's a couple
Speaker 1: of routes he throws really well. One of them the
Speaker 1: sideline route. He's great at it, and the other one
Speaker 1: is that kind of underneath that that tight end route
Speaker 1: that Goddard gets about three a game. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's just interesting for all the questions about Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: this is almost you know, like when the Warriors are
Speaker 1: playing small ball and we've never in our life thought
Speaker 1: the NBA the smallest team would win, and the Warriors
Speaker 1: had like this six year run, You're like, the hell
Speaker 1: is this? And everybody was chasing it and we were
Speaker 1: all going, you know, what is this? And you know,
Speaker 1: it's just interesting to watch this Philadelphia team. Is that
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts with any other team. We may look at
Speaker 1: this and just think, you know, this doesn't work. I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure. He's not the perfect quarterback for this team.
Speaker 1: From the tush push, to his personality to he's he's
Speaker 1: he's you know, the routes he throws well are perfect.
Speaker 1: I just look at him tonight and I'm like, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just fit. Draymond Green fit on that Warriors team
Speaker 1: he plays, he plays for the Wizards. Does he ever
Speaker 1: make an impact?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, but I just I love Hurts with this line,
Speaker 1: with Berkley, with a crowd, with the organization.
Speaker 2: He can be. Let's face it.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've won a lot of games when he's
Speaker 3: been off, and it speaks to the talent on their team,
Speaker 3: but there is no disputing when he's on.
Speaker 2: They are an unstoppable force.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you felt it early tonight, You're like, God,
Speaker 3: he looks pretty comfortable. He looks on even that AJ
Speaker 3: Brown passed that he had early in the game that
Speaker 3: they called pass interference on AJ.
Speaker 2: You went, oh, he's kind of feeling it.
Speaker 1: Well, John oxon early?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that play call? What was fantastic? And
Speaker 3: Jalen hit him. He throws his go ball. Is he
Speaker 3: a little bit the modern day Russell Wilson. I mean
Speaker 3: his deep ball is pretty bag.
Speaker 1: He is the modern day Russell Wilson. Well, we don't
Speaker 1: love him in the pocket. You wish it was bigger,
Speaker 1: but he's a.
Speaker 2: More dominant runner. I feel a little bit.
Speaker 3: You know, Russell didn't run quite as much he did early,
Speaker 3: I guess, but I feel like Jalen's a little bit
Speaker 3: more powerful as a runner, a little more, I don't know,
Speaker 3: just more dynamic in the open field, though Russ was
Speaker 3: good when he was young.
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Speaker 1: Hurts wins the MVP Johns seventeen to twenty two for
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty one yards, passing a couple of
Speaker 1: touchdowns and ugly pick rushed eleven times for seventy two yards.
Speaker 1: I think it's your classic Jalen Hurts. I think you
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this. When he's rolling that
Speaker 1: offense looks like it should never punt. And I also
Speaker 1: think two things are true with Jalen Hurts. He knows
Speaker 1: what he is, and I think the Eagles determined what
Speaker 1: he was about game six or seven. Remember they lost
Speaker 1: earlier in the season to Atlanta. I think it takes
Speaker 1: people time to figure out what they are themselves, and
Speaker 1: then teams to figure out what you are. And I
Speaker 1: think him throwing the ball twenty two times and running
Speaker 1: at eleven is perfect. That is in a tush push,
Speaker 1: that is exactly what Jalen Hurt should do. Throw it
Speaker 1: about twenty four times, run eight to twelve. He's not
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want him being Matt Stafford. I
Speaker 1: don't want him throwing thirty seven times. I think I
Speaker 1: think he had the perfect Jalen Hurts game.
Speaker 2: I would agree.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's best when they don't put
Speaker 3: it all on him, and they're also when they're winning
Speaker 3: because they can run the ball, and he tonight was
Speaker 3: a bigger part of that than sakuon uh you know,
Speaker 3: hit me tonight there was a there was a visual
Speaker 3: of Patrick talking to Carson Wentz on the sideline I
Speaker 3: think late in the third quarter. It's like, at one
Speaker 3: point in time, Jalen came in essentially Wally pipped this guy,
Speaker 3: they booted him out, and now he's winning the MVP
Speaker 3: with that guy watching as the backup. I mean, what,
Speaker 3: how crazy is this league that? I mean, this guy
Speaker 3: was drafted number two overall. They gave it, they gave
Speaker 3: him a hundred million dollars, and then not that many
Speaker 3: years later, Jalen gets put in the same situation, highly criticized,
Speaker 3: but figures out a way to you know, become Super
Speaker 3: Bowl MVP. That's I I never would have thought he
Speaker 3: would have been this good when he was coming out
Speaker 3: and I watched a lot of him at Oklahoma. Obviously
Speaker 3: he's improved greatly throughout his time in the NFL. I
Speaker 3: still I think sometimes, you know, he can be a
Speaker 3: little sometimes when he's in the pocket and he doesn't
Speaker 3: see it right away, kind of you know, he kinda
Speaker 3: he kind of feels lost. But tonight he was completely
Speaker 3: under control. And when he's under control and for whatever
Speaker 3: reason the Chiefs weren't getting home. Like sometimes he takes
Speaker 3: some bad sacks.
Speaker 2: You know, his running ability.
Speaker 3: Is a pretty huge added you know, dimension for his game.
Speaker 3: And then when his deep ball's on, he's just he's
Speaker 3: a tough player to play and because their receivers are
Speaker 3: so good. I'm telling you, when he hit that first
Speaker 3: ball to AJ, I was like, WHOA, he's feeling confident
Speaker 3: to night because he had a astride and then the
Speaker 3: rest of the night he never missed. But you know,
Speaker 3: congratulations to a guy you play in Philly, And I
Speaker 3: think he tell you like I played for Nick Saban
Speaker 3: for three years, like I'm used to getting screamed at all.
Speaker 2: The time, Like I've heard it all.
Speaker 3: I heard it all by the time I was twenty
Speaker 3: one years old, So not an easy time to play
Speaker 3: in Man. And he's he's he's handled it pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's the old saying about inner scoreboard,
Speaker 1: outer scoreboard. I think he's the classic inner scoreboard guy.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of pro athletes flex or entertainers,
Speaker 1: and deep down they're just wildly insecure. Jalen Hurts never
Speaker 1: has to brag. I think it just shows you the
Speaker 1: inner scoreboard. The inner confidence he has is he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to constantly project. He doesn't care what people think.
Speaker 1: And I think there's that simmering confidence that in any profession.
Speaker 1: Saban talked about this for years. Warren Buffett's talked about this.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talkers, there's a lot of and
Speaker 1: then there's the guys that just they're just really good.
Speaker 1: They know they're good, they don't have to tell you.
Speaker 1: And I think that's Jalen Hurts. I think he's I
Speaker 1: think Jalen Hurts looks at himself deep down and goes,
Speaker 1: you know what, I know what I'm good at. I
Speaker 1: squat six hundred pounds, I'm mobile, I'm smart, I'm hard working.
Speaker 1: And I'll say it, there are some routes in this league.
Speaker 1: He throws. He throws a beautiful sideline ball. Beauty and
Speaker 1: by the way, tonight he hit on a deep ball.
Speaker 1: As Brady said during the broad that's the throw of
Speaker 1: a lifetime like that was a perfect seed down the field.
Speaker 3: If I would have told you ten years ago the
Speaker 3: Eagles would have two Super Bowls with Nick Foles and
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts, you know who would have thought? I mean
Speaker 3: It's just that's the crazy part about football is you know,
Speaker 3: Nick wins one as a backup quarterback. Jalen's draft in
Speaker 3: the second round, people thought it was an insane pick
Speaker 3: because they had Carson Wentz. A couple of years later,
Speaker 3: they've built all franchise around him and now he's a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 1: I mean it just what did what did Jerry Krouse say?
Speaker 1: Franchises win championships?
Speaker 3: And I think the Eagles are a very good example
Speaker 3: of that because they that they truly have won it
Speaker 3: that way as a team where I think sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: the Chiefs can be very andy Spags Mahomes depended, the
Speaker 3: two coaches, the schemes, and the quarterback doing stuff.
Speaker 2: Where the Eagles is like all their guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, they had random DB's tonight making plays.
Speaker 2: Cooper dejan the second guy they drafted as a pick six.
Speaker 2: You got that's not Jalen Hurt or that's not Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3: That's their fifth defensive line than making us sacks, Like
Speaker 3: where are these guys coming from?
Speaker 1: I do think we have to and listen. I don't
Speaker 1: want to overreact to the game, but in this instance, John,
Speaker 1: it's hard not to overreact. I mean, I'm watching the
Speaker 1: Celtics drub the Knicks last night, and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: Celtics team has so much depth. I'm not trying to overreact.
Speaker 1: But when they won the finals last year, you're like,
Speaker 1: they're like significant, significantly better than every team in the league.
Speaker 1: And I watched them last night and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not overreact. Boston's gonna win it again. They're just better
Speaker 1: than everybody. Yeah, And I'm watching Philadelphia here and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this team's not going anywhere, because it would be one
Speaker 1: thing if the quarterback was cocky, or if they had
Speaker 1: a bunch of free agents or they didn't draft well
Speaker 1: John seven of their best players are like in year
Speaker 1: one or two.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it.
Speaker 3: They just won the Super Bowl in two of the
Speaker 3: better players in franchise history, Jason Kelcey and Fletcher Cox,
Speaker 3: had retired this year. So you know what hit me
Speaker 3: tonight is remember when Fangio and the Miami Dolphins like
Speaker 3: got a divorce and then Howie hires him twenty four
Speaker 3: hours later.
Speaker 2: In the Dolphins, he was just too mean, he was
Speaker 2: too demanding.
Speaker 3: It's like, guys, this is football, and this is defensive football.
Speaker 3: I got news for you. The guy knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: And the one thing we've seen with Vic with Jim
Speaker 3: Harbaugh the one year when they was he was with
Speaker 3: the Naggy and the Bears and they traded for Khalil Mack.
Speaker 3: And then this year with you give him talent, it
Speaker 3: is on because one thing you and I talked about
Speaker 3: is like his record against Andy Reid, but it's like, well, really,
Speaker 3: if you siphon those teams out, he did not have
Speaker 3: good teams in Denver, so nothing of the caliber of
Speaker 3: talent that he was rolling into this Super Bowl with.
Speaker 2: I mean Colin the when you.
Speaker 3: Have one good unit, you could have a good defense,
Speaker 3: right when all four of you or three of your
Speaker 3: levels of.
Speaker 2: Defense are good.
Speaker 3: Their defense line is outstanding, the linebackers, they have an
Speaker 3: all Pro linebacker and Bond who had a pick tonight.
Speaker 2: And then all their.
Speaker 3: Dvs are good, you know, I mean CJ. Will Hit,
Speaker 3: Cooper dejen and Mitchell. The rookie corners are excellent and
Speaker 3: Slay is still a solid player. So they're good at
Speaker 3: every single level of the defense. And they have one
Speaker 3: of the best defensive coordinators in the league, like he's
Speaker 3: he can't win it because he's a coach. But if
Speaker 3: you told me they gave the Super Bowl MVP to
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio because the game was it felt like over
Speaker 3: pretty early on because defensively the Eagles were I don't
Speaker 3: remember the eighty five Bears, but I would have had
Speaker 3: they smothered him. It was like, have they even made
Speaker 3: it past midfield? And then finally Burkhart's like they have
Speaker 3: not crossed midfield yet, Like didn't feel.
Speaker 1: Like it, you know, John. One of the of the
Speaker 1: many reasons the NFL is king and I'm you and
Speaker 1: I are both football guys. I do love the NBA playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I love March Madness, and I love a good
Speaker 1: I love a good golf major, and I love the
Speaker 1: World Cup. And by the way, last year, I love
Speaker 1: baseball playoffs. Last year I thought they just spent Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought the National League Playoffs were insanely good. But
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that the NFL continues to have
Speaker 1: such a visceral connection with US is college football and
Speaker 1: the Eagles are an advertisement forget the draft, right, And
Speaker 1: this is why you and I are draft guys. And
Speaker 1: I've told my friends this for years is you can't
Speaker 1: buy your way to a championship. All the bad gms
Speaker 1: in football overspend in free agency. We're in the NBA.
Speaker 1: If the Lakers get Luca, you're like in a big trade.
Speaker 1: At the trade deadline, You're like, Wow, the Eagles are
Speaker 1: just an advertisement for you. Start nailing multiple drafts. That's
Speaker 1: why you can go get AJ Brown. That's why you
Speaker 1: can pay Saquon and AJ Brown because you just keep
Speaker 1: nailing draft pick after draft picks. Like the Rams are
Speaker 1: in a spot now they'll keep Stafford, but they've hit
Speaker 1: on like six straight defensive draft picks. If they have
Speaker 1: another good draft, it's like, okay, then you get to
Speaker 1: the point where you can just go buy elite players.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I've mentioned this to you and it's I
Speaker 3: think it's been well documented. Is once they missed on
Speaker 3: Jalen Rager for Justin Jefferson, they had an internal meeting
Speaker 3: that what are we doing overthinking this. We're gonna take
Speaker 3: the best players from the best program. So when you
Speaker 3: listed all those players, that was a lot of Alabama
Speaker 3: and Georgia in that list of players, and it paid dividends.
Speaker 3: I mean it paid big time dividends because you know,
Speaker 3: from Jalen Carter to DeVante Smith to Landon Dickerson to
Speaker 3: this year was somewhat unique with Mitchell and Cooper Dejen.
Speaker 3: But Mitchell is a good example of a guy like
Speaker 3: Ashton Genty this year with Boise, he could have got
Speaker 3: a million dollars and gone to Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State,
Speaker 3: but he chose to stay at his program. That's why
Speaker 3: he was I think Tulane or Toledo. I think it
Speaker 3: might have been Toledo, and Cooper Regene was Iowa, which
Speaker 3: is one of the better defenses in the league. But
Speaker 3: they're not drafting little school guys anymore. They've been burned,
Speaker 3: you know, Carson, I think you know that situation. Then obviously,
Speaker 3: the Jalen reaguer over Justin Jefferson at the time was
Speaker 3: the COVID draft, and remember, uh, the Minnesota Vikings were
Speaker 3: on the clock next and they go to the video
Speaker 3: of Spielman and he's laughing him and Zimmer because they
Speaker 3: couldn't believe that they didn't just take Justin Jefferson, and
Speaker 3: that scarred how he and how he's come back swinging.
Speaker 3: I mean to go to two Super Bowls in three years,
Speaker 3: and let's face it, this was a lot different team
Speaker 3: than than two years ago. Right, Kelsey's gone, Fletcher Cox gone,
Speaker 3: So they had to kind of, you know, reshape the
Speaker 3: squad with some impact players, and they did it with
Speaker 3: you know, Jurgens and Landon Dickerson inside and Aden Beckton.
Speaker 3: But to me, Jalen Carter, who you know, Tonight's not
Speaker 3: gonna be his greatest performance, but what he's meant to
Speaker 3: him this year, I mean he he's a dominant, dominant
Speaker 3: impact player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: You know, their roster is really good. I mean, if I.
Speaker 1: Thought tonight John you know who else won tonight? Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're if you're in, if you're in
Speaker 1: the target zone of Philadelphia. I'm sitting around and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at I'm Buffalo, or maybe I'm Kansas City, or
Speaker 1: I'm one of these teams. I'm the Rams, and I
Speaker 1: think to myself, look at Philadelphia's roster. Guys, we can't
Speaker 1: catch up to that in a draft. We're paying staffer
Speaker 1: too much any one of these teams. Maybe it's it's
Speaker 1: the Chargers, but I kept I'm watching this tonight and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, boy, if I'm a GM in a week draft.
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett makes up a lot of ground.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I'll tell you who will sniff around
Speaker 2: on Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3: It'll be how he and the Eagles. Because Josh Sweat
Speaker 3: I think he is a free agent. Milton Williams definitely is,
Speaker 3: and Bond is too. Though I think they'll want to
Speaker 3: keep them, maybe franchise them at worst. But I could
Speaker 3: see them offering two first round picks and paying Miles
Speaker 3: Garrett and just letting Sweat and Milton Williams go and
Speaker 3: just plug him right in there with your young guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I think be in the mix. I'll
Speaker 2: promise you that.
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this tonight. The crowd
Speaker 1: was about seventy thirty Philadelphia, and a lot of that
Speaker 1: is because Philadelphia is just a much bigger city and
Speaker 1: they've got more fans, and it's probably a closer flight,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people in Philadelphia that make
Speaker 1: a lot of money. It's a you know, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a major you know, your typical East Coast city
Speaker 1: with a lot of affluence. And I gotta be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I really like, I'm very happy for Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: I thought Kansas City would win. But John, I've said
Speaker 1: this before. When the SEC was kicking everybody's ass, I
Speaker 1: used to say, well, they care more. There's no reason
Speaker 1: Ohio State football is that good. Ohio's not a rich state,
Speaker 1: but they have the biggest nil. The state has probably
Speaker 1: fifteen good high school players a year, really elite high
Speaker 1: school players. USC should be better, Texas should be better,
Speaker 1: Georgia's should be better. The Florida school should better. Ohio
Speaker 1: State just cares more. And when the SEC was crushing everybody,
Speaker 1: my take was, Okay, it means more.
Speaker 2: It's like the.
Speaker 1: Slogan you work for the Philadelphia Eagles. They freaking care.
Speaker 1: Go listen to sports talk radio in Philadelphia. Go look
Speaker 1: at the ratings of sports talk radio and Philadelphia. They
Speaker 1: are so passionate. And I gotta be honest to you.
Speaker 1: When I was a sportscaster on the West Coast and
Speaker 1: I was doing morning drive radio and the eleven o'clock news,
Speaker 1: I remember one time one of the announcers in town
Speaker 1: came up to me. He was an older guy, and
Speaker 1: he said, you're going to kill yourself. You're sleeping four
Speaker 1: and a half five hours at night. And then I
Speaker 1: moved ESPN on the East Coast, and my takeaway was,
Speaker 1: everybody works like that in the East Coast. It's just
Speaker 1: like that's like on the West Coast. I was a workaholic.
Speaker 1: In the East Coast, I was just a worker. And
Speaker 1: my take is Philadelphia just so deeply cares the media,
Speaker 1: the fans, the organization. Howie Roseman, we just have so
Speaker 1: much damn respect for the for the Eagles, I just
Speaker 1: I'm not unhappy tonight.
Speaker 2: Their owner cares a lot. He pumps a lot of
Speaker 2: money in that franchise.
Speaker 3: When you and I record a podcast, one day would
Speaker 3: have been Wednesday when I got the New Orleans maybe
Speaker 3: it was Tuesday, and I went out and met some
Speaker 3: people from the Eagles and the Chiefs. The way they
Speaker 3: talked about the Eagles draft room, I mean the amount
Speaker 3: of money that Jeffrey Lury built building their draft room,
Speaker 3: which is relatively new. I mean, it's like second to night.
Speaker 3: It's stuff you know in the NFL. You know, Clark
Speaker 3: Hunt takes a lot of crap because he doesn't pump
Speaker 3: that much money into stuff. And he goes, well, we're
Speaker 3: not this isn't college. We're not recruiting here is the NFL, right,
Speaker 3: that has never been Jeffrey Lewry's thing that he has
Speaker 3: invested a ton, so I it really does start there.
Speaker 3: But you know, and I've seen this with the Warriors.
Speaker 3: You gotta win or else he gets edgy and they'll
Speaker 3: not fireing right, you know, but they win, they'll pay guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at last year their season ended. That
Speaker 3: was pretty crazy. They started one and then they couldn't
Speaker 3: win a game. Their defense was atrocious and they got destroyed.
Speaker 3: I think was it Monday Night Football against the Bucks.
Speaker 3: I think thirty two to nine. They fire everybody, and
Speaker 3: it felt like besides Sirianni Howie and the players.
Speaker 2: They build a new staff.
Speaker 3: They get the highest paid defensive coordinator and Kellen Moore
Speaker 3: that they had a unique relationship with because he was
Speaker 3: with the Cowboys forever and they paid him a lot
Speaker 3: of money and it paid dividends. Immediately, we all agreed
Speaker 3: Vic fangiol is one of the best defensive coordinators the league,
Speaker 3: and Kellen Moore immediately becomes a head coach. The one
Speaker 3: thing is with Philly, and this is true with Andy
Speaker 3: Reid back in the day and now in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: You go work there as a coach, as an executive.
Speaker 3: Like you go places, you know, it's one of those
Speaker 3: places that like send you to greater heights. And I
Speaker 3: think it's a lot because, like you said, the vibe
Speaker 3: in the building. I remember coming from Fresno State from
Speaker 3: Pat Hill who had worked at Belichick, and my first week,
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna last.
Speaker 2: It's like Wall Street.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just intense. You know, I'm twenty four
Speaker 3: years old. It's just an we're in OTAs. I'm like
Speaker 3: this Howie Roseman guy's insane.
Speaker 2: But there's just he has.
Speaker 3: He has an ambition and an energy that, you know,
Speaker 3: talking to people when I was in New Orleans, that's
Speaker 3: no different from what I've been told than it was
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago. And I've heard that about Andy Reid forever.
Speaker 3: His work ethic now is no different than it was
Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven. Still gets the office at
Speaker 3: the same time, still the same passion. These guys are
Speaker 3: just driven on that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Phil Savage used to call it the football treadmill, and
Speaker 3: Sabing and Belichick would get on it in the beginning
Speaker 3: of like July or you know, the beginning of August
Speaker 3: when camp would start, and they just never break.
Speaker 2: Stride until the season ends.
Speaker 3: Or most guys you know in football, Hell, i'd get exhausted,
Speaker 3: but they are just unfazed by the pressure, by the games,
Speaker 3: by the injuries. And I think, you know, I think both,
Speaker 3: I think Alie and you know Andy.
Speaker 2: I mean Andy already was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: I don't see how he two super Bowls, two different coaches,
Speaker 3: two different quarterbacks, and a five six year span colin
Speaker 3: pretty unheard of.
Speaker 2: In this modern day NFL.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's as a guy that does have all the power,
Speaker 3: you know that some gems don't like he does.
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Speaker 1: fascinating to me because I've said before, you know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this tonight. There are two different kind
Speaker 1: of coaches, and this is I'm talking successful coaches. There's
Speaker 1: two types of coaches that are successful in this league.
Speaker 1: There's the scheme guys. Shanahan is a scheme.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is a scheme guy be Kevin O'Connell. I
Speaker 1: think Belichick defensively was a scheme guy. He and then
Speaker 1: there's culture guys. Vrabel I think is. I think Dan Campbell,
Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh is known as Is. Mcvay's a
Speaker 1: little bit of both where he's got great culture but
Speaker 1: he can do the schemes. But you generally, it's like that.
Speaker 1: For years and years, they talked about the walk around coaches,
Speaker 1: the guy some guys call plays. Other guys are like
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. They walk around and they coach their coaches.
Speaker 1: Saban was always like that, he coaches his coaches. But Siriani,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he is. He's not a scheme guy. Clearly,
Speaker 1: the minute he gives up play calling, they're better. He
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's the culture guy. It feels more
Speaker 1: like it's Howie and Laurie. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: categorize him. And this is not a criticism of him,
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about this tonight watching the game.
Speaker 1: It's like there are people that I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: have a strong opinion.
Speaker 2: My take is.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a perfect fit for Philly. Maybe this roster
Speaker 1: is so damn good that it's hard to screw it up.
Speaker 1: What don't we classify Sirianni as a guy that literally
Speaker 1: his his position. Coaches literally had to con front him
Speaker 1: because he was because he was jawing at like Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1: It's like, what the hell am I watching?
Speaker 2: I will say this talking to people in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: The people in the building really really like him. So
Speaker 2: he is well liked and has a lot of respect
Speaker 2: from players and coaches.
Speaker 3: Tonight, the way they came out, you know, he is
Speaker 3: in charge of just the messaging of the team, right
Speaker 3: team meetings, they were ready and they were loose, that
Speaker 3: they didn't feel tight, that they came out swinging. You know,
Speaker 3: if Nick Sirianni was Jim or John Harball and his
Speaker 3: team had just looked like that, we would be calling
Speaker 3: it one of the great Super Bowl performances in recent memory, right, because,
Speaker 3: like you said, we don't have that many blowouts in
Speaker 3: the last the Internet age.
Speaker 2: They were all like when I was a kid in
Speaker 2: the nineties, those.
Speaker 3: Type games don't really exist, and he just did it
Speaker 3: in some way because of I don't want to say
Speaker 3: the negative connotation around him, but I think fans and
Speaker 3: definitely people that talk about football probably don't put him
Speaker 3: on the same level as some of these other guys.
Speaker 2: But he has been to.
Speaker 3: Two Super Bowls in three years, you know, and he
Speaker 3: went toe to toe with Andy Reid in the last one.
Speaker 3: He beat the crap out of him in this one.
Speaker 3: It's got to mean something. So I've been hard on him,
Speaker 3: but I don't You got to give him his credit
Speaker 3: and his flowers for this performance because his team, they
Speaker 3: just showed up with an etche and so whether that's
Speaker 3: you know, knowing the right things to say to your coaches,
Speaker 3: knowing when to leave them alone.
Speaker 2: However, they handled the.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl week of being loose but also being focused
Speaker 3: because approaching these two weeks is not easy. He also
Speaker 3: has some young players. I mean they're starting multiple rookies.
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter's the second year guy, so that they do
Speaker 3: have young guys, and it's not like Kelsey and Fletcher
Speaker 3: Coxe there to hold everyone's hand. So I think he
Speaker 3: deserves a lot of credit for just how focused the
Speaker 3: team will. I mean, coming out you could tell early,
Speaker 3: like God, the Eagles are here to play. I didn't
Speaker 3: think it was gonna you know, a quarter in you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the Chiefs will figure it out, but this is gonna
Speaker 3: be hard.
Speaker 2: And then they just never left their foot off the pedal.
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Speaker 1: game day. So as we're watching, we started this before
Speaker 1: the end of the game. A home sit Worthy on
Speaker 1: a deep ball plus the two point conversion, it's forty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Now here's the good news for Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Rashi Rice looked like a number one when he got hurt.
Speaker 1: Worthy now has established himself as a big time player.
Speaker 1: They finally have their receiver situation kind of sorted out.
Speaker 1: They're going to have to figure out tight end, and
Speaker 1: they're going to draft a left tackle with our first pick.
Speaker 1: So Kansas City's going to be fine. Let's not for
Speaker 1: the record, Brady didn't lose. I mean, one of the
Speaker 1: great things about Tom Brady is that Brady just didn't
Speaker 1: lose big very often, and I think so much That's
Speaker 1: where Brady's underrated. The other day I had him on
Speaker 1: the show on Friday. Tom just wouldn't call plays if
Speaker 1: he thought it was trouble. He's the greatest quarterback ever.
Speaker 1: He and Peyton Manning at the line of scrimmage, they're
Speaker 1: just just either it's smart either whatever, it's cognitive, it's
Speaker 1: homework prep, whatever it is. But I look at this
Speaker 1: game tonight, it's not going to tarnish my Homes. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but he has now two blowout
Speaker 1: losses where they look lost in Super Bowls. Do you
Speaker 1: look at it? Just do you look at him just
Speaker 1: slightly differently because pregame we're talking about is he going
Speaker 1: to be in that? Are we going to start struggling
Speaker 1: with the argument? And you kind of watch this thing
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, they didn't move the chains when
Speaker 1: Philadelphia was rolling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, he had a long way to go
Speaker 3: to catch Tom. I mean one Tom played to lose
Speaker 3: forty five when a Super Bowl in his forties, he
Speaker 3: beat my Homes twice. I think that talk was a
Speaker 3: little premature because even if he had one to night,
Speaker 3: he would have won four Thomas seven. The other thing
Speaker 3: is Patrick Mahomes. Let's say he had one to night.
Speaker 3: Wasn't not only he wasn't the best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: There were multiple quarterbacks better than him. You know, we
Speaker 3: talk about because of his resume, is so much better
Speaker 3: than Lamar, Josh and Joe that he gets put ahead
Speaker 3: of them, and rightfully so, but just on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3: I mean, Joe Burrow was elite this year. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 3: was better this year than he was last year, and
Speaker 3: he won the MVP, and Josh Allen literally just won
Speaker 3: the MVP. But he beats them in playoff games, and
Speaker 3: that has an outweighed importance. So I'm all for it.
Speaker 3: But I just think Patrick Mahomes, I think right where
Speaker 3: he sits right now, and he's thirty years old, so
Speaker 3: he has a long way to go. Is much more
Speaker 3: in the in the Peyton Manning. You know Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3: I vividly remember the pick six he had and the
Speaker 3: Sean Payton Super Bowl in two thousand and nine. To
Speaker 3: Tracy Porter, he played was a Seattle and that in
Speaker 3: that in their first Super Bowl and they won seventy
Speaker 3: to zero or whatever the score. I mean they housed
Speaker 3: him when the first play was snapped over. So it's
Speaker 3: you know, Peyton Manning had some weird playoff moments. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, Tom's career is pretty unprecedented, and even Patrick
Speaker 3: is like you said, I mean the point differential in
Speaker 3: the two games.
Speaker 2: Tom didn't have those games.
Speaker 3: Now, I also think you can call plays for Patrick,
Speaker 3: and Patrick can do things in plays that gets them
Speaker 3: in situations when it's not going well. He's doing three
Speaker 3: sixties and running into sacks. Tom Brady didn't have that.
Speaker 3: Tom had to if it was if he was under arrest.
Speaker 3: The ball is either going to Julian Daman or grow
Speaker 3: quick or throwing the ball away or hitting the ground.
Speaker 3: He's not doing any of that. Patrick Mahomes, I don't
Speaker 3: want to say hero ball because for a lot of it,
Speaker 3: it works tonight when when it looks bad, it looks
Speaker 3: really when it looks bad, it looks like he's playing
Speaker 3: like Russell Wilson or something tonight. Right, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: justin fields and it's.
Speaker 2: Just played off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm in the first half. My takeaway was, oh,
Speaker 1: Tom would engine or something here. Tom would get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball. Like I'm watching their routes. Tom would
Speaker 1: shorten the routes. Tom would go to the sidelines. Tom
Speaker 1: would say in that first half, it was twenty four
Speaker 1: to nothing and a half and everything looked the same.
Speaker 1: And that's where I think you see the difference with
Speaker 1: Brady and Mahomes. Tom. If Tom had back to back
Speaker 1: poor drives, he would go to the sidelines, he'd bark,
Speaker 1: he would on the fly just change stuff. And I
Speaker 1: mean he said it again on my show Friday. I
Speaker 1: go to the line if I don't think we if
Speaker 1: we're not lined up, I'm not calling that play. I'm
Speaker 1: audibling out of that play. I didn't see a lot
Speaker 1: of that with Mahomes. I think they just kind of
Speaker 1: stuck with what they were doing. At one point they
Speaker 1: showed a shot from behind him and they were running
Speaker 1: deep routes in the first half, and I was thinking, guys,
Speaker 1: you have to shorten every route. You got two seconds
Speaker 1: max to throw.
Speaker 3: I think if they could do it over again, they
Speaker 3: would have tried to run the ball more early. They
Speaker 3: were passing it don stop, and it just was not working.
Speaker 3: Even if you're only gained in a couple of yards,
Speaker 3: it just settles everyone down. They didn't start running it
Speaker 3: to like the third or fourth drive, and it was
Speaker 3: already felt like it was.
Speaker 2: Too late, and I think they got.
Speaker 3: They came in with the game plan that they could
Speaker 3: throw on them, and after that first play where I
Speaker 3: think they hit Juju for a first down first play
Speaker 3: the game, it was a disaster. You know, just Kelsey
Speaker 3: wasn't moving that fast. They were just out of sink.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he retired. I think he retires.
Speaker 2: I think he does too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I mean, I think he's a
Speaker 3: shell of himself physically, and listen, he's one of the
Speaker 3: all time great NFL athletes. I think it really jumped
Speaker 3: out to me in that Houston Texans game when he
Speaker 3: had a huge play and he was running, It's like, whoa,
Speaker 3: he looks way slower.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You're Kansas City, Travis Kelsey retires,
Speaker 1: he's off the books, Chris Jones, you get Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: Kelsey's gone. I mean, you're not paying your receivers. You're
Speaker 1: paying Mahomes, Chris Jones, Miles Garrett, your receiver, you're all free.
Speaker 1: You're going to draft a left tackle. You're not paying
Speaker 1: your running backs. You're not paying a lot of these
Speaker 1: young defensive players. You're not paying McDuffie.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 1: Why can't Kansas City look at this game and go,
Speaker 1: let's go get Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: I mean I think they would think long and hard
Speaker 2: about it. I mean they will be in the mix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've they've made trades like this before,
Speaker 3: they'll make them again. So yeah, I would be they'll
Speaker 3: be sniffing around.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he may not be Reggie White or
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor or Aaron Donald, he's he is the closest
Speaker 1: thing to it.
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty close. I think I think he's.
Speaker 3: I think if he played for the Chiefs or the Ravens,
Speaker 3: or the Packers or the Niners, I think we would
Speaker 3: talk about him closer to that than he plays for
Speaker 3: the Brown So he does get quite discussed like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think you're right. I think he's. I
Speaker 1: think there are these players how often and he's still
Speaker 1: I think in this prime he's in great shape?
Speaker 2: Free.
Speaker 1: How How often in your lifetime is Reggie White available?
Speaker 1: Reggie White was available because the owner of the Eagles
Speaker 1: was so cheap. He was asking players to pay for equipment.
Speaker 1: If you remember, this was pretty Jeffrey Lourie, it was
Speaker 1: a mess. I think the owner had hired Rich code tight.
Speaker 1: He let Reggie White go. He was just a mess
Speaker 1: as an owner. It's like Miles Garrett Buffalo. I mean,
Speaker 1: Buffalo already allowed Kansas City to draft Mahomes and Worthy
Speaker 1: and by the way, Trent McDuffie, I mean they moved
Speaker 1: up for Trent McDuffie. Like, if I'm Buffalo, I go
Speaker 1: by Miles Garrett. I just I figure out a way
Speaker 1: to make it work. I'm not paying James Cook, I'm
Speaker 1: not paying my tight end Kincaid. I'm not paying Campbell
Speaker 1: the receiver. I mean, you're I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I look up Miles Garrett and I and I'm watching
Speaker 1: the Eagles tonight, and if I'm Kansas City or Buffalo,
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, how do we make up ground considerably
Speaker 1: in an off season? This is a week draft. It
Speaker 1: can't be the draft. Yeah, I just think I kept
Speaker 1: saying tonight watching this, I'm like, if I Miles Garrett's
Speaker 1: agent should feel great.
Speaker 3: I would throw the NFC North teams in there as well,
Speaker 3: the Packers. I know the Lions have Aiden Hutchinson, but
Speaker 3: I did want two of them. I would throw the
Speaker 3: Vikings too if they end up not going with Sam
Speaker 3: Donald and they let Sam Donald go somewhere else. They're
Speaker 3: gonna go with JJ McCarthy. They should be all over
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett as well. So I think the teams that
Speaker 3: are drafting in the twenties, not only are every single
Speaker 3: one of those teams on the phone with Cleveland, the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns already, I think they've already made like substantial offers,
Speaker 3: Like just to let you know, our starting offers are
Speaker 3: two ones and a two.
Speaker 2: We're open for business. Counter offer us.
Speaker 3: We got you see our fifty three man roster, you
Speaker 3: see our draft picks.
Speaker 2: If you want more, shoot me an email. But that's
Speaker 2: where we start.
Speaker 3: And you guys come back at us, because I think
Speaker 3: clearly the Browns don't want egg on their face, Like
Speaker 3: you never want to be the person trading great players who,
Speaker 3: like you said, this is a This is not a
Speaker 3: fat overweight agent guy. He is a physical freak. He's
Speaker 3: like Lebron a football, but he is He was smart
Speaker 3: about it. He handled it in a classy way. Then
Speaker 3: he went to the media row or whatever and just
Speaker 3: kind of doubled down in just in a very measured way.
Speaker 3: Sometimes these can feel a little like this is a
Speaker 3: weird I was like, yeah, I respect this guy. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to play in Cleveland either if I was him, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, I have an opportunity to be an all
Speaker 3: time great.
Speaker 2: I'm stuck here.
Speaker 3: We also have the situation of Deshaun Watson's anchor contract,
Speaker 3: you know, and we I don't see the playoffs coming.
Speaker 2: For the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3: We got Joe Flacco lightning in a bottle. When's that
Speaker 3: happening again?
Speaker 2: Probably not?
Speaker 3: And if you're Cleveland you can ship him out. You
Speaker 3: kind of reset while you have this Deshaun Watson albatross
Speaker 3: of a contract for another one hundred plus million dollars
Speaker 3: on the books. You got the number two pick, you
Speaker 3: trade Miles Garrett. You kind of restart your.
Speaker 1: Franchise forty twenty two Eagles in an absolute route.
Speaker 2: Got a it's not good for Dallas. I always thinking
Speaker 2: about that, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I wrote this down, figured it out.
Speaker 3: The Eagles who are gonna be awesome and again next year.
Speaker 2: I wrote this.
Speaker 1: Dallas needs six to seven more elite players to compete
Speaker 1: with Philadelphia. Six to seven more elite player. That's why
Speaker 1: I've said do you move? Because I think Mike Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons a good player. I don't think he's close to
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett or CJ.
Speaker 2: Watt.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's in that class. My take is,
Speaker 1: do you move my Do you move him and get
Speaker 1: two first round picks. Dallas just doesn't have the offensive firepower.
Speaker 1: Now Dak's off his second injury. No, I wrote it down.
Speaker 1: I kept this. I thought this game, I thought Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: this resonates with a lot of teams. I'm thinking Dallas
Speaker 1: has to look at this and goes, you know, ship,
Speaker 1: we we we got more. We need six more good players.
Speaker 1: And if you're paying Ceedee, Lamb and Dak, we're not
Speaker 1: getting them in the draft. It's a weak draft. We
Speaker 1: have to move people and hit on draft picks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't want to be you know again, you know, hyperbolic,
Speaker 1: but you just looked this. Andy Reid does not get humiliated.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like they got humiliated in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl where their left tackle got hurt late they could
Speaker 1: not move the chains. It was funny because my producer
Speaker 1: Ryan sent me something during the game. He said, it's
Speaker 1: the fewest first half yards with Mahomes quarterback.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 1: They had twenty three total yards in the first half
Speaker 1: forty five penalty yards.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: What you watched was one of the greatest dismantling in
Speaker 1: the first half. They had one first down in two turnovers.
Speaker 1: This thing was and that's Mahomes and Reid and that's Kelsey.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 3: I think one thing the Chiefs, you know, Pachaco's a
Speaker 3: solid player, but they could just use I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: like a Saquanner McCaffrey, but this drafted guy in like
Speaker 3: the second or third round, who's just a really good
Speaker 3: starter and who could be your star running back behind
Speaker 3: him for a long time. I think that would you know,
Speaker 3: or tight in one of those two positions with Kelsey going,
Speaker 3: because that that position helps. I mean, how much does
Speaker 3: that help Jalen Hurts just being able to dump it
Speaker 3: off to God or throw it to sake one all
Speaker 3: the time, because it was so evident through that game.
Speaker 3: Obviously they hit some huge place to aj and DeVante
Speaker 3: Smith and even to Goddard as well, but they also
Speaker 3: just have some easy first downs where like the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: how hard did they have to work to gain like
Speaker 3: three arcs. It's like this is not sustainable, Like this
Speaker 3: is this is not this is not possible. I actually
Speaker 3: think Michael Parsons, I think the Chiefs would be all
Speaker 3: over him as well.
Speaker 2: I mean it would not shock me.
Speaker 3: I think remember Steven had some comments toward the end
Speaker 3: of the season that you know, we gotta you only
Speaker 3: have so much money to build the team.
Speaker 2: Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Obviously you want to have Michael Parsons on your team,
Speaker 3: but financially, And then I saw rap sheet said today
Speaker 3: like they've already had internal discussions.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Miles.
Speaker 3: Garrett is a better all around player, but I yah,
Speaker 3: when you when you look at his age and you
Speaker 3: know this would be his first contract, I think you're
Speaker 3: getting multiple ones in a two like that. They would
Speaker 3: get a haul for Micah Parsons and yep and the
Speaker 3: good teams, you know. I think what would complicated for
Speaker 3: the Cowboys is like, would you trade Michael Parsons? Would
Speaker 3: they do it to the Packers, the Lions probably not,
Speaker 3: or the Washington Obviously they wouldn't do it to Washington.
Speaker 2: So the should you bring.
Speaker 3: Up the Bills Like if Michaeh Parkson, you should be
Speaker 3: all over Michah Parsons.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you're the Bills, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean because listen, Kansas City's dropped thirty five plus
Speaker 1: points against Buffalo every time they play in these playoff games,
Speaker 1: like with Sean McDermott. So listen, you got to create something,
Speaker 1: you you know, sometimes these these markets like Green Bay
Speaker 1: or Buffalo because the media. Part of the success of
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is the media is so relentless. And I can
Speaker 1: remember when I lived in Connecticut listening to WFA N
Speaker 1: and occasionally WIP, and there was no question that front
Speaker 1: offices were pressurized, no question by the onslaught of fans.
Speaker 1: Owners listen to fans, owners talk to GMS, and I
Speaker 1: do think it's one of the advantages in the Northeast.
Speaker 1: Right now, the Celtics are the best NBA team and
Speaker 1: the Eagles are the best NFL team, and that you
Speaker 1: know in baseball the Dodgers just by the best players.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a pressurized environment and it's
Speaker 1: like normalized now, like everybody understands. You go play in
Speaker 1: the East, the media is tough, the fans are tough,
Speaker 1: like it's just part of it. Everybody. If you can't
Speaker 1: handle it, don't go there. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think these markets like Green Band, Buffalo. It's let's
Speaker 1: be honest, the media is not as loud, it's more supportive.
Speaker 1: I mean, in Philadelphia, Sean McDermott is out of a job.
Speaker 1: It's done. He's already been canned. If he could not
Speaker 1: beat a team where you felt like you had, you know,
Speaker 1: at least as talent as a quarterback, McDermott would be
Speaker 1: gone in Philadelphia. And so I think, you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: those markets they're too nice, you know, Buffalo and Green Bay.
Speaker 1: To me, both those teams need Miles Garrett. You're not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I mean, it's like I like Laflora, I
Speaker 1: like McDermott. These Buffalo is not winning that game. They
Speaker 1: get out coach to out played. Just go go buy him,
Speaker 1: So go trade for him. I'd love to see it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I'm trying to wrap tonight's game in a
Speaker 1: bow before I move on for about ten minutes on
Speaker 1: something else. I'm just I'm not unhappy Philadelphia front office ownership.
Speaker 1: Quarterback down earned tonight.
Speaker 3: Good for them, Yeah, I mean, I think what happened
Speaker 3: to him last year, they're turned around this year. The
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley signing. I mean's just an all timer, Colin.
Speaker 2: It's just you see it.
Speaker 3: You see in basketball and baseball football free agency. You
Speaker 3: know the days of like Reggie White or Deon Sanders.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't really happen anymore. With franchise tags.
Speaker 2: It's just very rare.
Speaker 3: I mean, great players change teams, but it's usually big trades.
Speaker 3: In the NFL, it's very rare. A guy twenty five,
Speaker 3: twenty six year old blue chip guys just available on
Speaker 3: the open market, and how he signed him, and then
Speaker 3: the guy ran for a total I think if you
Speaker 3: count the playoffs, like twenty five hundred yards.
Speaker 2: So I mean, just very cool moment for him.
Speaker 3: I you know, you know, Jalen had a good game,
Speaker 3: and he takes a lot of shit. But Jalen's been
Speaker 3: making fifty million for a couple of years, Like, he's
Speaker 3: pretty well established as a good player. The Saquan situation,
Speaker 3: any time you're drafted really high and you go to
Speaker 3: a shitty team and everyone's like, wow, is he really
Speaker 3: worth it? We all agree he wouldn't have been as
Speaker 3: good on the Giants, but it's pretty clear it wasn't
Speaker 3: his fault when he was on the Giants. It's all
Speaker 3: the Giants, because if you put that guy in a
Speaker 3: good team, man, that's I mean, he had it's only
Speaker 3: one season, but that's like a Hall of Fame level season.
Speaker 3: One year goes to the Eagles, helped pretty much leads
Speaker 3: their offense to the Super Bowl and their Super Bowl champs.
Speaker 2: So congrats to saque Bar because that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Before we go, how about five minutes on this, Jordan
Speaker 1: Schultz and then Jay Glazer reported the Jets moved off
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. So for the second time in a couple
Speaker 1: of years, a team as Aaron flew out to New
Speaker 1: York thinking positively optimistically it would happen, they moved off him.
Speaker 1: I think the Colts and the Raiders work. I think
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly. They have two tackles, they have a center,
Speaker 1: they have two good tight ends. Then they're running back
Speaker 1: in a receiver. I think I think the Raiders works
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. He'd take that over the Colts and
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen. But you know, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady
Speaker 1: late in their careers leave and have some success. Brett
Speaker 1: Farve did as well, got to an NFC championship a
Speaker 1: throw from the Super Bowl. Are you surprised that it
Speaker 1: was just two years of nothing and the second team
Speaker 1: bailed on him. I'm not but are you.
Speaker 3: You know this new culture coming in, you know, Aaron
Speaker 3: Glen's at former high level player. Yes, looks like do
Speaker 3: I want to deal with some old a aging You know,
Speaker 3: what's the hardest thing to deal with sometimes in pro
Speaker 3: sports an aging former superstar, especially one.
Speaker 2: That's a little different. You know Peyton Manning that last year.
Speaker 3: Remember Kubiak and Elway had to sit him down and
Speaker 3: like it was difficult, he took a pay cut. These
Speaker 3: are these are tough conversations. But I think it was
Speaker 3: pretty clear that the Johnson family was over this guy
Speaker 3: about two months left to go in the season. I
Speaker 3: wonder if part of the interviews was like Aaron's done here,
Speaker 3: which most of these new code who cares like? It's
Speaker 3: not like okay, fine, I don't need them anyway. I
Speaker 3: think the question now is is he even tradable because
Speaker 3: he's on the books for this year, his cash you know,
Speaker 3: his cap hits twenty three million dollars.
Speaker 2: I honestly think they'd probably have to cut him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if anyone had even trade for him,
Speaker 3: so It's like, I think they just cut him, cut him,
Speaker 3: and then someone signed them for ten million bucks.
Speaker 2: I mean, is he is that what he's getting.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a unique because if you think about it,
Speaker 3: Roethlisberger's arm gave out on him, it was clear, but
Speaker 3: he just ends as a Steeler. Manning's arm doesn't work,
Speaker 3: wins the Super Bowl, but then no one would resign him.
Speaker 3: Breeze's arms started going and it just ended.
Speaker 2: Is he really just gonna go play? Like?
Speaker 3: What if the Titans outbid that and they give him
Speaker 3: twelve million? The Raiders were only willing to give him,
Speaker 3: So he's gonna finish his career on the Titans. Because
Speaker 3: I do think it wouldn't just be those two.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of teams.
Speaker 3: Would be interested just to try to get their franchise.
Speaker 3: You know, these owners give them a little oomph. If
Speaker 3: you got some cap face, I'll give Aaron Rodgers fifteen
Speaker 3: if you're the Titans, why wouldn't you pay him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a house in Nashville. I mean, let's say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll give you two years. Got a house in Nashville.
Speaker 1: It's an easy division. And then you have that number
Speaker 1: one pick, you could trade down, get a bunch of
Speaker 1: players around him. It's just interesting. I was told that
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, for the people that didn't hear my pre
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifteen minute rant, I was told by somebody
Speaker 1: I trust that Aaron Glenn, coming from a really strong
Speaker 1: culture in Detroit, wants to mimic that right, duplicate that
Speaker 1: in New York, and he didn't want Aaron Rodgers the
Speaker 1: player or the person in the room. And they'll say
Speaker 1: all the right stuff, but in the end, I mean
Speaker 1: Green Bay caught him off guard. The Jets kind of
Speaker 1: caught him off guard. Aaron has that disease of has
Speaker 1: to be the smartest guy in the room. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do my own homework on the internet. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think in the end, Aaron, I mean, I could
Speaker 1: write chapters in a book on things I've heard from
Speaker 1: people that have been around him. He's really moody guy.
Speaker 1: You can get good Aeron or bad Aeron, but in
Speaker 1: the end, he's just not good enough. Now he's probably
Speaker 1: the fifteenth best quarterback in the league. He's just not
Speaker 1: good enough for the bs you deal with. Like, he's
Speaker 1: not early to the locker room. He's not optimistic like
Speaker 1: Brady to the end. I mean it was just like
Speaker 1: high energy, high optimism, high standards. I'm not sure Aaron
Speaker 1: loves the game. I think, you know how when he
Speaker 1: ever worked with somebody or you have somebody in your
Speaker 1: family and they're like I work hard, and you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: hard work is sixty five hours a week, not forty two.
Speaker 1: I think Aaron says he loves the game. I don't
Speaker 1: see it. I don't I don't see that just just unbridled,
Speaker 1: like just relentless passion for it. I think I think
Speaker 1: Aaron thinks he loves the game, but he doesn't love it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't love it the way the guys that I
Speaker 1: see it in pro sports love it.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be very telling that when they cut.
Speaker 3: Him, if he's only getting seven, eight, ten million dollar off,
Speaker 3: he doesn't need the money, right, He's worth hundreds of
Speaker 3: millions of dollars. At this point in time, it was
Speaker 3: clear he did not want to get hit last year.
Speaker 2: Don't blame him. He's forty years old, right, So is
Speaker 2: he going to go play for some of these teams?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll calls the Titans, call like yeah, this this
Speaker 3: might not go well again.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The one thing Aaron Rodgers has a good feel for,
Speaker 3: you know, the most of his career is what a
Speaker 3: good team looks like. So this could be really like,
Speaker 3: you go sign up for one of these teams. Best
Speaker 3: case scenario might be like seven wins and you, you know,
Speaker 3: struggled to stay hurt last year on a roster that's
Speaker 3: going to be better more than likely than one of
Speaker 3: these teams interested in you. So I wonder if he
Speaker 3: gets to the point where it's like, am I really
Speaker 3: going to do a one year for eight, nine, ten
Speaker 3: million dollars?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And the only thing he willest this year paying him
Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars. If someone was willing to pay
Speaker 3: him that, I think he would for sure play sure, Sure,
Speaker 3: But I have a hard time if you're ten million
Speaker 3: dollars and it's like the best option is the Titans.
Speaker 3: Him just going I'm just gonna go hang out in
Speaker 3: Malibu and just kick it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a beautiful house. I watched that documentary Enigma,
Speaker 1: and it was interesting, you know. I watched the first episode,
Speaker 1: was bored out of my mind. I gave it a
Speaker 1: second episode that was better.
Speaker 3: Third episode, like I gave ten minutes and I turned
Speaker 3: it off. I'm like, I don't even care.
Speaker 2: It wasn't for me. You're a better man than me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I kind of felt like I for the
Speaker 1: audience I had to go watch it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just think he's just a different cat, and I
Speaker 1: think over the last six or seven years, he's got
Speaker 1: to be really high maintenance. But I don't know what
Speaker 1: the Jets are going to do at quarterback. But I
Speaker 1: and I ran into Chip Kelly Saturday night briefly, and
Speaker 1: this was before I knew the era and news, and
Speaker 1: my take is that's probably the best place for him. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's probably the best. If I was him, I can
Speaker 1: be closer to Malibu, it's probably the best place for him.
Speaker 3: I saw a headline today that the Raiders might be
Speaker 3: interested in Sam Donald, and I actually ran into Sam
Speaker 3: Donald at the hotel gym the day I was leaving,
Speaker 3: and I talked to him again in the elevator. You
Speaker 3: know one thing that really stands out to me. I
Speaker 3: had a bunch of players staying at the hotel I
Speaker 3: was staying at. Ran into like Ladanian Tomblinson, and I
Speaker 3: know Lorenzo O'Neil really well, so I went up and
Speaker 3: talked to him about low Neil and a lot of
Speaker 3: just good, easy going guys, like you can just have
Speaker 3: a normal conversation with Ladanian Tomlinson, like in the in
Speaker 3: the hotel gym for five minutes, where it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: this is one of the great running backs in the
Speaker 3: history of the league. Like I don't know if you know,
Speaker 3: the equivalent in some of these other sports will just
Speaker 3: do that. But these guys, you know, Sam Darnold, who
Speaker 3: just had one of the great seasons in the league,
Speaker 3: he's just besm with me about where he's gonna play
Speaker 3: golf this summer in LA. It's just it's just an
Speaker 3: easy going group of people. And my theory has always
Speaker 3: been is they're they're the most they have the most
Speaker 3: in common with normal people because their job is one
Speaker 3: they get caught all the time. One they also get
Speaker 3: screamed at at their job a lot, like if it's
Speaker 3: not going well, you're getting criticized by your bosses like
Speaker 3: normal human beings do. And there's just they just communicate
Speaker 3: very well with non you know, famous people, which it
Speaker 3: can be a struggle with people making a lot of
Speaker 3: money and it's I was just very impressed. All the
Speaker 3: players that I ran into the hotel just had brief
Speaker 3: conversations with the volume