Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed the first few months of
Speaker 1: All the Smoke. We begin tremendous love and support responses.
Speaker 1: Me and Jack couldn't be happier. Man, We appreciate you, guys. Man.
Speaker 1: Before the new Year, we got a chance to chop
Speaker 1: it up with Carrie Champion, the Queen of Smoke, the
Speaker 1: first Lady of SMO. And since then she's announce she's
Speaker 1: leaving ESPN, which was kind of shook everybody. She look
Speaker 1: at me, but we're happy for. We're happy for because
Speaker 1: I told her personally, she's never hotter than she's you know,
Speaker 1: she she's on fire right now. So for her to
Speaker 1: venture out and do whatever she can do take over
Speaker 1: the world. So we wanted to give you guys that
Speaker 1: intro to the situation. We hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Episode twelve, All the Smoke, My brother, my god,
Speaker 1: we're back. Some powder on your hands. We got the amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing Carrie Champion, thank you for yours, your our first
Speaker 1: female guests. I know, okay, how how'd that happen? You
Speaker 1: had an eye for you? Okay, now to keep it real,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just love what you've been doing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, the fact that you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're heading Sports Center, and that's only one of the
Speaker 1: many things you're doing. You know, with the success from
Speaker 1: television obviously in the sports world, that's open a lot
Speaker 1: of doors. Tell some of the other stuff you're doing.
Speaker 1: First off, I have to say, I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: be here because I work with you guys both. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if people know this because they sit
Speaker 1: here and they see you guys, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they just talk and they have such fun and they're
Speaker 1: cool and they know people in the league. But you
Speaker 1: guys have really transition. That ship's hard to do, right. So, like,
Speaker 1: as an athlete to become a broadcaster, you have a
Speaker 1: voice that people respect. Obviously they respect you, but you
Speaker 1: do it so effortlessly both y'all. And I just I
Speaker 1: think that nobody acknowledges that, Like, the ship is not easy.
Speaker 1: We get appear and we talk and they think it's
Speaker 1: easy and all these so many athletes, I me, especially
Speaker 1: while players, they want to transition. They want to. Basketball
Speaker 1: players want to do this. They want to And you
Speaker 1: can't just sit up here and just start talking and
Speaker 1: think it's gonna work because it doesn't work right. You appreciate. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of jobs I have. I work
Speaker 1: on a show with the Rock called Titan Games that
Speaker 1: hears on NBC. So I host that show, which I
Speaker 1: love because it lets me. Do I have more personality?
Speaker 1: You guys both know off camera I have more personality.
Speaker 1: I think people feel like I'm really like elegant and
Speaker 1: up time, and that's not me. So let's be a
Speaker 1: little more comfortable. And then, um, I host a lot
Speaker 1: of different things where I just try to, you know,
Speaker 1: have a little bag and keep it aside for myself.
Speaker 1: I like to make all my money. I don't have
Speaker 1: to wait on nobody give me no money, all my
Speaker 1: little change. And then I have a foundation that I
Speaker 1: run what's called Brown Girl's Dream where I I um
Speaker 1: it's so many like dope. Young ladies would always hit
Speaker 1: me up in my my inbox and say, carry how
Speaker 1: do you do this? Or how did you do that?
Speaker 1: Or can you help me? Whether it be in front
Speaker 1: of the camera behind the scenes, they just want to
Speaker 1: they want some help. And I know when I was
Speaker 1: coming up, there was nobody like I just had to
Speaker 1: figure it out on my own, and so I created
Speaker 1: this really formal mentorship where I help young girls who
Speaker 1: in the age is very right, it could be anywhere
Speaker 1: from twenty to thirty, but I helped them get into
Speaker 1: a world where otherwise people just overlooked them because so
Speaker 1: many women, especially if you are a woman of color,
Speaker 1: you're overlooked. You might be qualified, but you're overlooked. So
Speaker 1: I'm just taking them to the front of the line
Speaker 1: and I'm like, here you go, here's somebody who's great.
Speaker 1: You may have overlooked her. She deserves an opportunity. Just
Speaker 1: having so important for sure, that's that's the biggest thing,
Speaker 1: especially for the young youth, just to have a resource
Speaker 1: and nowhere to go. I think that's that's huge on
Speaker 1: your point. Thank you, I appreciate it. There's a handful
Speaker 1: of you guys are really in the space women of
Speaker 1: color who are opening doors and letting women know. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, This isn't this is a platform
Speaker 1: you can utilize now. Before it was unheard of to
Speaker 1: have a black woman, it was a voice on television,
Speaker 1: it was on the outside of Oprah has been doing
Speaker 1: it for some years. That's why I love Oprah, Like
Speaker 1: I that's what I was a kid. I saw Oprah.
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, I want to do what this
Speaker 1: lady is doing because she looks like my auntie or
Speaker 1: like somebody to be in the house like you would
Speaker 1: watch her AND's just like wow, she's she's fascinating and
Speaker 1: she just obviously she was. If you see it, you
Speaker 1: can believe it. And I think when I started at UM,
Speaker 1: like I have been, I was a journalist for a minute.
Speaker 1: But when I started at ESPN, which was like seven
Speaker 1: years ago, I was hosting a show called First Take
Speaker 1: with Steven had him on here and Skip Bayless at
Speaker 1: the time, and I remember I could count in my
Speaker 1: hands how many women I thought looked like me that
Speaker 1: I saw on TV all the time. Was only seven
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, I know, it feels like forever, right,
Speaker 1: it feels like forever. UM. But they had just became partners,
Speaker 1: like Skipped and Steven A had just became partners. They
Speaker 1: weren't they weren't always. They had just started that relationship
Speaker 1: and then they wanted somebody just to sit in the
Speaker 1: middle and kind of tee it up. And it was
Speaker 1: just a real simple role. I wasn't supposed to really
Speaker 1: like get into it or get into the debates or
Speaker 1: any of that stuff, which was cool, which was fine.
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I just like the opportunity. But at
Speaker 1: the time, there was no at ESPN, there was no
Speaker 1: black woman working Monday through Friday sitting at a desk,
Speaker 1: and especially on that show. That show was like high visibility.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to you know, it wasn't tough, but
Speaker 1: it was high visibility. And at the time I did
Speaker 1: not know that I was working with those two personalities.
Speaker 1: You just don't have had no idea. And I remember
Speaker 1: Jamal Hill pulled me aside one day and was like, girl,
Speaker 1: so let me just put you on some game real
Speaker 1: quick and try to tell me what it would be.
Speaker 1: She was like, I was supposed to get this gig.
Speaker 1: They told me it was mine. Um, in so many words,
Speaker 1: they gave it to you. People may want us not
Speaker 1: to like one another, right because you got it and
Speaker 1: not me. She was like, but I will not let
Speaker 1: that narrative live. She was like, I have your back
Speaker 1: from day one to tear me. That's tell me that's
Speaker 1: not that's she I'm a big fan of her Man
Speaker 1: in the space. I know Jack has a good relationship
Speaker 1: with her, she's been she's always kept it real. Who
Speaker 1: does that and speaks your mind? I mean I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, for you, we spoke a little bit off.
Speaker 1: Cameron will get into Gabby as well, but you know,
Speaker 1: for you, you're someone who speaks your mind. She's someone
Speaker 1: who speaks her mind and is refreshing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Because it's always the pictures, always paying it
Speaker 1: as you know, an angry black women or you know,
Speaker 1: hard to work with. The stereotypes and the labels get
Speaker 1: pushed around. But it's good to see that you guys
Speaker 1: have made it through. Although it's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing battle, but you're at a place where
Speaker 1: you can, you know, you freely speak for the most part. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that that those labels will always be there,
Speaker 1: which is why I started the foundation because I feel like,
Speaker 1: and you guys know what it is like you you
Speaker 1: come on TV and you don't look like the rest
Speaker 1: of the analyst, you don't talk like the rest of
Speaker 1: the analysts, and so if people don't understand who you are,
Speaker 1: they judge you or they're uncomfortable. And so I got
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, why does your the
Speaker 1: level of your uncomfortable. Why does that have to affect me?
Speaker 1: You're uncomfortable, you have to get comfortable, Like, that's not
Speaker 1: my situation. So I feel like, you know, with Jay,
Speaker 1: and Jay taught me this a lot. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: she was really my mentor, Like she schooled me on
Speaker 1: a lot at ESPN and how to move and make
Speaker 1: sure you have people who have your back or have
Speaker 1: an advocate because those closed door meetings, watch the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: watch the motherfucker's right, so many words what she was saying,
Speaker 1: watch your back, watch hi, because if you ain't got
Speaker 1: nobody you you're in trouble because people can say yes
Speaker 1: or no, and that can affect your career, not be
Speaker 1: the end of it. Um. So I think that that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do with my foundation. And I
Speaker 1: think that I've gotten to a point where like Jamal
Speaker 1: will always be like or some of the people that
Speaker 1: we have in common will be like and I'll just
Speaker 1: say at work will be like, you know, the athletes funk,
Speaker 1: would you carry you? Like? They get you, They get it,
Speaker 1: they get it like they know it's not easy. I'm
Speaker 1: not sitting up here just pretending and and and and
Speaker 1: moving through life like there's no care. They know how
Speaker 1: hard it is, behind it, behind you know, behind the doors,
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Where did all this begin? Like your
Speaker 1: your love of sports and your aspirations to take this? Um,
Speaker 1: I worked, Okay, So I wasn't kidding when I told you.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I saw Oprah and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do whatever that is. Mom. Okay,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't wasn't saying it wasn't nothing. Well,
Speaker 1: I ran track in high school and I wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: I played. I ran track and play basketball in high school,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't good enough. And knew that. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, so what else can I do? But I
Speaker 1: always talk. Teachers would be like, I always be the student.
Speaker 1: I was talking too much? Can you get your daughter?
Speaker 1: She talked to damn much. You're right at nothing chance
Speaker 1: talk running my mouth with the back of class not
Speaker 1: paying attention. Um. And then and I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Like of course I had, you know, modeling moments,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be in videos and stuff growing
Speaker 1: up here in l A. Because I grew up, I
Speaker 1: went to U C. L A. I went to passing
Speaker 1: in high school. So yeah, for the best. No, we
Speaker 1: haven't been very good lately, but yeah, just the family. Family.
Speaker 1: The family is dope. So um. Then I got my
Speaker 1: first job in West Virginia. So I drove my little
Speaker 1: Nissan ultimately West Virginia to be a reporter. And I
Speaker 1: was a one man band. So you see how like
Speaker 1: they got their cameras in tripod. That's what I was doing,
Speaker 1: running around West Virginia film and stories. Hello, racist, people
Speaker 1: will call me the colored lady, but I love what
Speaker 1: I was doing. I didn't care like you didn't care
Speaker 1: that you was making two dollars an hour and you
Speaker 1: look crazy on TV. I was telling stories that I
Speaker 1: was living my best life, and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: this is what I this is what I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to do. Was a complimentary hi, I was, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad at I was just loving life. And
Speaker 1: then what you do is when you work in local news,
Speaker 1: you just work your way up. And then I got
Speaker 1: fired in Atlanta. That was like market. I think there's
Speaker 1: like two D markets, right, So Atlanta was like top
Speaker 1: ten market. And I got fired when I was there
Speaker 1: because I was just being me and what that means
Speaker 1: is I have a lot of fire in my family,
Speaker 1: so as and so you. But there's a way you
Speaker 1: go about it right. Because I had never lived outside
Speaker 1: of l A. So really living in Atlanta and you
Speaker 1: know how right, I was like, wait, oh this is
Speaker 1: this is what this is. It's totally different. I had
Speaker 1: to learn. It was on the job training, um, and
Speaker 1: it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: Because I had to I had to reboot. I had
Speaker 1: to change my trajectory and I went into sports and
Speaker 1: I started working in tennis, and I saw she wrote,
Speaker 1: I flew myself out to ESPN Like every job, I
Speaker 1: get a hustle, and nobody's been like you know what,
Speaker 1: brown girl, let me fool with you so heavy, like
Speaker 1: you're so bad, let me No one does that now.
Speaker 1: But everything I've ever gotten literally has been on my own.
Speaker 1: And I flew myself at the ESPN. I was just
Speaker 1: knocking on doors and then they were like, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: get back to you. And then I would just keep
Speaker 1: calling and keep calling. I just check in, said my resume,
Speaker 1: reel check in. And one day they called and they
Speaker 1: were like, you want to host this show called first take,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, bullshit and they were like no,
Speaker 1: like do you want to host this show? And I'm
Speaker 1: like what about the guy who? You know? Jay Crawford
Speaker 1: was the host at the time in Data And I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, we're and they're like, oh, they're moving on,
Speaker 1: Da da da da, And I was like okay. So
Speaker 1: I go out do the audition, literally auditioning with skim
Speaker 1: and steaping the outside of me. So I'm I'm nervous,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretending like I'm not nervous. But in general,
Speaker 1: I don't know them. I know nothing about it. But
Speaker 1: they were in the show. They're yelling back and forth,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dare they're gonna yell at me? And
Speaker 1: what's forth? So I'm reading the prompter and so they
Speaker 1: do a series of things right just to throw me off.
Speaker 1: So I'm reading the prompter and I'm taking teaking them
Speaker 1: both up with questions and stuff, and then the prompter
Speaker 1: just goes off and then they say they me to
Speaker 1: go from the script from memory. They just turned the
Speaker 1: prompter off, like to see if she can can she
Speaker 1: add it? Can she freest out? Can she do it
Speaker 1: on her own? And I kept my cool and it
Speaker 1: was a wrap. So, um, I killed that ship, and
Speaker 1: I swear on my life, I was like, I killed it.
Speaker 1: Then I remember talking to a friend of mine and
Speaker 1: I said, I did great, but I'm black. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get it. And she was like what. I was like,
Speaker 1: They're not looking for no black girl to host that show.
Speaker 1: They're looking for a blonde. Like what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: I remember just having this honest conversation like I might
Speaker 1: be freelancing and be working for the Lakers or something like.
Speaker 1: This is just my thought process. I said, if they
Speaker 1: call me by a certain time, which was like two
Speaker 1: weeks later, because I was going to I was working
Speaker 1: at the Tennis Channel, and I said, if they called
Speaker 1: me by the US Open and say, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be here in New York, can you come up? I
Speaker 1: got the job. So no call, no call, spent two
Speaker 1: weeks no call. Um, you already know how the story
Speaker 1: go obviously. So then like I was flying out on
Speaker 1: Monday and they called me on Saturday and said can
Speaker 1: you come and one meet Jamie who was hiring at
Speaker 1: the time at the US Open, and then two can
Speaker 1: you come up to the studio one more time? And
Speaker 1: do an audition again. And I was like, okay, and
Speaker 1: I saw she wrote it was a rap. It's done.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Ship? But that's why I always
Speaker 1: held people like just hustle, like nothing comes to you.
Speaker 1: I can't stand at people want nothing. I flew myself
Speaker 1: out there. I stayed in a little broke down brust
Speaker 1: the hotel, not the nice one that they got nowt
Speaker 1: of the Double Tree, but it was even more broke
Speaker 1: down than that. I probably have no money, like I was,
Speaker 1: just I had whatever I had, and I just paid
Speaker 1: for myself to go there and back. And I was
Speaker 1: there for two days, just sitting in the lobby waiting
Speaker 1: for people to beat me. No, I had no planned meetings.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, whoever wont to come see me?
Speaker 1: I wait, I wait? And then I was at and
Speaker 1: I got the job, and then my entire life change,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, wait, why is it? Why is
Speaker 1: everybody tweeting me? Why? Why? Because you know it was
Speaker 1: aggressive as fans and they were so mean. They were
Speaker 1: like I was like, what, what's what's happened? And then
Speaker 1: it was exactly exactly what we talked a little bit
Speaker 1: the other day when I was able to host Sports Center,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things you told me,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, I just signed a deal
Speaker 1: with ESPN and I'm going to start being doing it more.
Speaker 1: She's like, you need to go to prestil, you need
Speaker 1: to sit down and knock on these doors. You need
Speaker 1: to take these lunches, you need to take these dinners.
Speaker 1: And she was kind of laying it out, and I
Speaker 1: think it was dope, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: I think, you know, once they let us in and
Speaker 1: they're kind of scared because we're you know, we're good
Speaker 1: at it, you know what I mean, they're like, uh,
Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute, what's happening. Where'd you come from?
Speaker 1: Going on? What's going on? Tell me some of the
Speaker 1: difficulties you faced first and almost being a woman, but
Speaker 1: then being a woman of color on on your journey
Speaker 1: to the top. I think just the obvious stuff. I
Speaker 1: think I'm always in a room and I'm the only
Speaker 1: one like now right, it's always just in this a
Speaker 1: lot of male energy. And if it's a lot of
Speaker 1: male energy, and if you're not comfortable, that's intimidating. And
Speaker 1: it takes a long time to be yourself I think
Speaker 1: working especially, I have so many lessons just from first take.
Speaker 1: When I was on first I'd be the only one
Speaker 1: in the room and then they'd be like, here are
Speaker 1: your thoughts, and I'm like nervous, aren't pits wet? And
Speaker 1: then I just finally was you get so y'all know
Speaker 1: how it feels. I don't know what how it was
Speaker 1: translating basketball. You get to the point where you just
Speaker 1: don't care anymore and you just yourself and you just
Speaker 1: so like take it to leave it. And it got
Speaker 1: to the point where I was there were so many
Speaker 1: nose and that doesn't make sense. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't know much about a lot of
Speaker 1: different sports. I knew basketball, but I had to learn football.
Speaker 1: I had to learn a lot of different things. And
Speaker 1: it was on the job training and I would you know,
Speaker 1: they would look past you like a lot of the
Speaker 1: times when I was you know, first take people who
Speaker 1: look past you like or or there would be people
Speaker 1: who didn't address you, they just addressed them. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: I can count so many times I was embarrassed daily.
Speaker 1: I was daily embarrassed or humbled, and and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I remember picking up I remember picking up
Speaker 1: Jamale one day. I keep throwing her back because that
Speaker 1: was my dog and I had um I had some
Speaker 1: champagne in my cup. You're not supposed to drink and
Speaker 1: drive guys. And so I picked her up and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I quit and she was like what. I had been
Speaker 1: there like a year. She's like, what else? I quit?
Speaker 1: I'm done. I said, I'm telling my Monday. And she
Speaker 1: was like, what's wrong with you? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. It's breaking my spirit. And I
Speaker 1: was like, it's cold, it's miserable. I ain't got no friends,
Speaker 1: no family, and she wasn't living there at the time.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just hard because it's ship's hard.
Speaker 1: And I just every day you get up, you get dressed,
Speaker 1: you do your best, and somebody's telling you you're not
Speaker 1: doing your best. How do you how do you deal
Speaker 1: with that? You know? How do you how do you
Speaker 1: keep finding your encouragement? And then I just had to
Speaker 1: dig deep because I'm not a quitter, but I but
Speaker 1: I tell you, it was it was close. It's hard
Speaker 1: when stacked against it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: find your motivation. It's hard to trust anybody because you
Speaker 1: can't trust anybody right, And then you find yourself in
Speaker 1: this situation where you're like, how do I keep getting
Speaker 1: up dealing with this every day being told? And at
Speaker 1: that time you have to understand like that show was
Speaker 1: like off the It's still popular, but it was off
Speaker 1: the charge with those two. And then I had people
Speaker 1: telling me on social I wasn't nothing, and I got
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sitting in this cold he's trying
Speaker 1: to find my footing, like I want to do something
Speaker 1: else because I can't really talk on the show like
Speaker 1: it was this tough um and then I just it's preseverance.
Speaker 1: You just pushed through. I was determined that I was
Speaker 1: like after I had my little, my little breakdown, my
Speaker 1: little emotional breakdown, and um, I just was like I
Speaker 1: gotta figure this shoot out. And I did and it
Speaker 1: ended up working in my favor. And none of it
Speaker 1: has been easy. But when you know, when you get
Speaker 1: to a certain level, none of it's supposed to be easy.
Speaker 1: None of it's supposed to be easy. All of it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be hard. And if it's not hard, you're
Speaker 1: not working enough. So I'm okay with all of that.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it was like having to pay your
Speaker 1: dues in Bristol and then finally being coming back to
Speaker 1: California where you're from and now you're I was, you
Speaker 1: know what, it was weird. I didn't even know I
Speaker 1: was coming back. They they were like, hey, I think
Speaker 1: we're going to create a show called Close to Coast.
Speaker 1: You want to go back home? I was like, I
Speaker 1: thought there was planning. I was like, y'all, y'all being funny,
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, I'm serious. And it was great
Speaker 1: because when I here's the thing Michael Smith told me
Speaker 1: this a long time ago, when I started shout out
Speaker 1: to Mike, that's my dog, right, we love him. So
Speaker 1: when I first got to I'll just give you all
Speaker 1: the business. When I first got there, I had been
Speaker 1: there for about maybe a year and a half, maybe two,
Speaker 1: and we were going to maybe it was a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Was traveling somewhere and I was walking around with Mike
Speaker 1: and um people were stopping me and asking me for
Speaker 1: my autographer to take a picture, and it was like
Speaker 1: other athletes are just people in general, and I was
Speaker 1: I was so shocked. I was like, wait, oh, there
Speaker 1: there asking for to take a picture with me. This
Speaker 1: is when I had just had been been at ESPN
Speaker 1: for two years and Mike turning to me, he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh you still I ain't ship bubble huh. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like what. He's like, Oh you
Speaker 1: still think you ain't ship Oh they got you? Okay.
Speaker 1: He was like, they got you. You need to get
Speaker 1: like he shook me, and he was like, you have
Speaker 1: to understand where we live and where we work. It's
Speaker 1: not real life. He was like, you're doing your thing
Speaker 1: and if nobody tells you, I'm here to tell you.
Speaker 1: So you gotta get out of that bubble because you're
Speaker 1: just you're like this. And then uh, I come to
Speaker 1: l A and I was like, oh wait okay, and
Speaker 1: people I was like okay, maybe okay. I'm like you
Speaker 1: know when about it, but like okay, which was good
Speaker 1: for me, right because I want I wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: you don't want to get too hired, too low. You
Speaker 1: just want to be like this. You don't want to
Speaker 1: get too hired, too low, so you can't be too
Speaker 1: hard on yourself. But you can't thank you to ship
Speaker 1: ship ship. So I was just right here and it
Speaker 1: was easy. Yeah, sh I was so we just I mean,
Speaker 1: we had a good time. And when I came here,
Speaker 1: I had all these other opportunities. Um. I got to
Speaker 1: work with a lot of people that were nice. Um
Speaker 1: and then you know you, you just you. I'm from here,
Speaker 1: so you have to you have to understand like I
Speaker 1: measured it. I don't. I'm not out here like you
Speaker 1: know we Brad hit and Angelina Jolie, like people are famous,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't trip off that. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: because when you grow up here, like you go out
Speaker 1: of your way to act like you don't see famous people.
Speaker 1: Like is this like all right, right, You're like I
Speaker 1: got cool whatever, That's fine, that's something magic whatever. I'm tripping,
Speaker 1: although I did trip when I first met magic. But yeah,
Speaker 1: some of your favorite moments in sports? What makes you
Speaker 1: for a reward? We know you talk to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, You've done a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: work in the space. What makes you feel rewarded out
Speaker 1: of all the work have you done. I like good stories.
Speaker 1: I like just telling really good stories. I like to
Speaker 1: see people win, not just physically win, but win in general.
Speaker 1: So like um, there's so many Okay, so a personal story,
Speaker 1: Like everyone asked how much you love sports? So growing
Speaker 1: up here as always a Laker fan, right as all
Speaker 1: the dems you, how good you look, and how we
Speaker 1: praise you us know what makes you feel rewarded? Besides
Speaker 1: that I get no DM everybody pay all those guys
Speaker 1: on your page praise you carry I'll read it all day.
Speaker 1: I read it all day, guys cut read it all day.
Speaker 1: What but what makes you feel good when I when
Speaker 1: I can do a story about somebody who we had
Speaker 1: a kid, and what I think is really important? Now
Speaker 1: I'm knowing that a lot of black men are dealing
Speaker 1: with a lot of personal issues, right and in sports,
Speaker 1: you guys don't talk about it. But it's becoming more
Speaker 1: and more common that black men are talking about how
Speaker 1: they're dealing with depression or how they are struggling, and
Speaker 1: how it's really hard to live a life that so
Speaker 1: many different people want them to live. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: even think people understand the pressure that it takes. I
Speaker 1: think you can catch a football. You got all this money,
Speaker 1: You should be happy you could. You could dribble a ball,
Speaker 1: put it through back. Oh, you should be happy, but
Speaker 1: they don't understand how they grew up or what they're
Speaker 1: dealing with the other side, and people constantly asking for something, money, people, whatever.
Speaker 1: Y'all know better than anybody. So for me, I've always
Speaker 1: felt bad for the athletes, like I've have had an empathy,
Speaker 1: and now that I can see and be able to
Speaker 1: help and witness that a lot of these these young boys,
Speaker 1: even grown men, are coming out saying I need help,
Speaker 1: I'm struggling and life is hard. I'm not as tough
Speaker 1: as I'm trying to make y'all feel like. I don't
Speaker 1: care how much money I got on the change I got,
Speaker 1: how many broads I cry, I cry, she's hard, like
Speaker 1: I'm having a mental breakdown today is tough. Um. And
Speaker 1: we were able to do a story one athlete and
Speaker 1: the fact that he said he was getting help and
Speaker 1: starting to get help and feeling a little more, a
Speaker 1: little more easy, not thinking about taking his life. Those
Speaker 1: kind of messages that I get are rewarding, like that,
Speaker 1: that's what we're here to do. We're here to help
Speaker 1: and tell really great stories. Like of course there's a
Speaker 1: fun stuff, but to me that's huge because in our community,
Speaker 1: you know, well, you're supposed to be taught be strong,
Speaker 1: be strong, be strong, that's what you just like this,
Speaker 1: to be strong. But it's okay to say I'm not strong.
Speaker 1: It's okay to say I heard like my mind's not right.
Speaker 1: Like they've been teaching. They've been teaching us to be
Speaker 1: strong and be able to take so much, but they
Speaker 1: don't teach being real with yourself enough, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's when you start to turn the
Speaker 1: corner when you're being real with yourself. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: be tough as hell, but you gotta be real with
Speaker 1: yourself when you're dealing with life and everything you're going through.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Don't live with don't live
Speaker 1: by facade, be real with yourself, and to make it
Speaker 1: for everybody to be real. It's hard because you don't
Speaker 1: want people to like men are, in general, in my opinion, hard.
Speaker 1: They don't. They're not expressive. It's very few men like
Speaker 1: to talk about their feelings. You want to go in
Speaker 1: the cave and figure it out. So then you want
Speaker 1: me to turn around and tell you that I feel
Speaker 1: weak and I haven't figured it out, and I'm vulnerable
Speaker 1: and all these emotions that you're just not familiar with
Speaker 1: that make you feel like somebody could take advantage of
Speaker 1: you in a world where people do nothing but take
Speaker 1: advantage of you. Everybody's asking you for money. Everybody need
Speaker 1: a new house, new car, knew this, knew that. You
Speaker 1: don't know if she really likes you for you? Right,
Speaker 1: you got and you and sometimes you indulge in all
Speaker 1: of that, but it's all a facade because you go
Speaker 1: home and you're tired, and you're weak, and you drained,
Speaker 1: you mentally and physically drained. And now that I'm starting
Speaker 1: to see so many of these guys talk about it
Speaker 1: um in a much more you know, eloquent way, without
Speaker 1: feeling like someone's gonna make fun of them or they
Speaker 1: won't have the same respect in the locker room. To me,
Speaker 1: is rewarding because that's the turn. That's the term where
Speaker 1: you're seeing as we haven't seen that. That's the turn,
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. I love it. What's the most positive
Speaker 1: and negative aspects of or the effective had on your
Speaker 1: positive and negative through social media? The positive of social
Speaker 1: media and the negative of social media? Life and career,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, working for who you work for,
Speaker 1: you really have the money to yourself. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the negative. Like some days I want to
Speaker 1: be on there like so like I'll follow you guys
Speaker 1: stack too. He'll be like cursing, like that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to say, or like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's just the freedom. When I see people tweet free,
Speaker 1: I'm like freedom, Like I want to say what they're saying,
Speaker 1: or when things are happening, I'm like that that would
Speaker 1: be my tweet, Yeah it or whatever. I like it.
Speaker 1: But I think the negative is that I'm not allowed to,
Speaker 1: which is a good and the bad. I'm not allowed to.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I police myself on what I say
Speaker 1: because a hundred forty characters like you can't really get
Speaker 1: out or even more than that, you can't really have
Speaker 1: a nuanced opinion, and everybody thinks their opinion matters, so
Speaker 1: I don't really delve into Twitter. I think social media
Speaker 1: UM has made everybody feel like they're missing out on
Speaker 1: something or they or that person's life is better or
Speaker 1: they want that, or how come they don't have that?
Speaker 1: Or why is she winning or he winning and I'm
Speaker 1: not winning. Those are the things that I think will
Speaker 1: ultimately UM take its toll on you. Sometimes I just
Speaker 1: got to tap out, like I just I can't even
Speaker 1: be on it. Um. I think the beauty of it though,
Speaker 1: is that if you have something special to share you are,
Speaker 1: you want people to know who you really are, you
Speaker 1: can do that Like I feel like sometimes you guys
Speaker 1: post and I'm like, oh, I could tell that's who
Speaker 1: Mad is, or I can tell that's who Stack is,
Speaker 1: or you can really show a side of you that
Speaker 1: people may not be able to get by just listening
Speaker 1: to you on the podcast or see you for two
Speaker 1: minutes on Sports Center and um. And so I use
Speaker 1: that to my platform, like I sell. I sell certain
Speaker 1: things that I want people to know that you know.
Speaker 1: But I'm very look, I'm very private, like social media
Speaker 1: is for my benefit and that's what I've chosen to
Speaker 1: be that way, because I'm goody be like, oh you
Speaker 1: ain't got no miss Y, ain't got no man, that's
Speaker 1: why you're gonna have you know. But that's a that's
Speaker 1: because you know sometimes words that that when people here
Speaker 1: st come about your mom, they can't twist that, but
Speaker 1: you can type up on Instagram and they automatically going twisted.
Speaker 1: So it's good you don't do that. It's good and
Speaker 1: I think that I mean, I think you touched on
Speaker 1: it perfectly for Jack and myself, as you know, we
Speaker 1: were labeled this one way our whole career for different reasons, uh,
Speaker 1: and we just took advantage of being that and it
Speaker 1: got us fourteen year NBA careers and championships and money.
Speaker 1: But I think the platform of Instagram in particular is
Speaker 1: just you know, so on the other side, you know,
Speaker 1: the father, the charitable side of the coach, who I
Speaker 1: really am speaking freely without be worried about being fined
Speaker 1: by the NBA, like you said, with your esp and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's to really be you. And you know, when
Speaker 1: people are real enough to show you who they are,
Speaker 1: you know, I think people do appreciate that because, like
Speaker 1: you said, they get a snapshot of you and they
Speaker 1: form an opinion of who they think you are. And
Speaker 1: it could be the furst thing from the truth sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they need to listen, Like I think people follow you,
Speaker 1: They're gonna pay attention, like wait, wait, hold on, I
Speaker 1: see another side. I remember. Can I tell a story
Speaker 1: when I met you both separate instances. I met you
Speaker 1: when I was working on first take and we're on
Speaker 1: the road in San Antonio and you were a guest
Speaker 1: on the show, and and you were I think maybe
Speaker 1: that I think yeah, And you were like Papa's trip,
Speaker 1: like you kept it was like I should be on
Speaker 1: the team or whatever. You were really nice. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't call you nice. You were very professional,
Speaker 1: and you were very much about your business. And I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, like, because we did another interview with
Speaker 1: you after words and you were talking about it, I
Speaker 1: guess you had an album come out, yeah, and we
Speaker 1: were talking to you about that, and I just thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got layers. I don't think everybody knows like you
Speaker 1: were very very like. I didn't. I didn't say the
Speaker 1: town you were from, right. You made sure you like
Speaker 1: pulled off or you got it wrong, like he was
Speaker 1: like he was all right. Then I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's nice, and you were just very professional.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get like, I didn't get DM
Speaker 1: stag Liss. I was just like I appreciate him, like
Speaker 1: I appreciated that because I felt like that was like
Speaker 1: a mutual respect. I met Matt. You you're on my podcast,
Speaker 1: my my podcast to be honest, and it was right
Speaker 1: after we tell we tell the story off to you, Um,
Speaker 1: can I tell it? Okay? It was what he was
Speaker 1: maybe dating Rihanna at the time, where you had just
Speaker 1: got done dating. Okay, well yeah, that's what the whole
Speaker 1: gist it was. And she was one of the people like,
Speaker 1: let me, let me get this, let me get this.
Speaker 1: So they were connected somehow, some way, I guess some teams.
Speaker 1: He came up to you and asked you something something
Speaker 1: like that, and we I had you in the podcast
Speaker 1: and I asked you about it and you don't ask
Speaker 1: my friend or whatever, and you were very I felt
Speaker 1: at the time because somebody had I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: said that on Rihanna's behalf that you didn't know each
Speaker 1: other and you were talking about it. And this was
Speaker 1: the first time I ever really believed to dude, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, liter Rihanna, everybody goes they are all these
Speaker 1: dudes lines in the date or the date or they
Speaker 1: like her whatever. But then you start telling the story.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, he's telling the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you could be lying, okay. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's unfortunate. But you were real chill
Speaker 1: about it. And I was again another instance where I
Speaker 1: was like, he's not at all what I thought. So
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that people have these moments,
Speaker 1: like I try not to judge people unless I experience
Speaker 1: that myself. Like I gotta experience you, I gotta sit
Speaker 1: with you, I gotta talk with you. People can look
Speaker 1: at me and say whatever they want, but I want
Speaker 1: them to sit with me and experience me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I want to take you back
Speaker 1: to two thousand and fourteen, kind of still dealing with
Speaker 1: social media and with that the clown already laying tweeted
Speaker 1: about you and what was what did you learn from that?
Speaker 1: In kinda now that you are someone that's looked in
Speaker 1: at a certain light and there's people that just are
Speaker 1: crazy and disrespectful. Name is fun Boy. Yeah, I's not
Speaker 1: new m. We were, Um, you know that was crazy
Speaker 1: because I never ever, I've never really talked about that.
Speaker 1: We were doing a show and um, you know how
Speaker 1: you check your your social media during we always check
Speaker 1: the doing commercial break and I was like, what it
Speaker 1: was just like these series of tweets and I was
Speaker 1: just I thought it was I don't know I don't
Speaker 1: know what I thought it was. And then I um
Speaker 1: when I went to a guy who were on social
Speaker 1: media at the time, and I was like, I said,
Speaker 1: is this real? And he was like, Yo, this dude
Speaker 1: was crazy. And I was like, yeah, like this is
Speaker 1: And here's the funny thing. I used to be a
Speaker 1: big fan of Howard Stern. He used to be on
Speaker 1: the show and I used to like listening to him
Speaker 1: on Howard Stern and I just thought, I was like,
Speaker 1: why does this white man think it's funny to make
Speaker 1: jokes about slavery? Like I was like, how are we?
Speaker 1: How are whatever? I was just like this is crazy,
Speaker 1: this is and I'm like on a platform, I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you if I didn't look the way, if
Speaker 1: I was blind with this big funny like what what
Speaker 1: joke would he make? Like you say something like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get fired so quick. I wouldn't even have
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And um, I remember you guys that were
Speaker 1: gonna laugh at this story. I remember going to a
Speaker 1: couple of folks like in the house and they kind
Speaker 1: of just like just like like don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: Like could nobody give a funk? They were just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: shake it off, and it really it really hit me,
Speaker 1: like I was like, yo, that's like no respect, Like damn,
Speaker 1: Like I worked this hard and I'm still getting disrespected.
Speaker 1: Nobody has my back. Oh man. I was like, if
Speaker 1: you gotta way to pros and cons, so I have
Speaker 1: enough of the savings. And then I was like, I
Speaker 1: remember your girl. We keep talking about her, Miss Hill.
Speaker 1: She sent out this these series of tweets. You know
Speaker 1: she's good at that, she'll drop them, bomb her words,
Speaker 1: and so she just started, like, I mean literally lit
Speaker 1: him up. I remember going home because I lived in
Speaker 1: Bristol by myself, just turned off my TV, turned off
Speaker 1: my phone. I just went to bed because I was tired.
Speaker 1: I was just like I was emotionally drained because I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I'm just damned. This ship is so hard?
Speaker 1: Why is it so hard? And then I woke up
Speaker 1: and I was trending. I was like, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what the hell was happening. And apparently like it became
Speaker 1: this thing like people had came at people out of
Speaker 1: the woolwork just went at his head and he was
Speaker 1: and then people started to pay attention. That's the power
Speaker 1: of social media you're talking about. Then people started to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this fool is a clown, and then it started to
Speaker 1: get talked about it, and then it was like think
Speaker 1: pieces and it was on all these different shows and
Speaker 1: they were like, he's banned from ESPN again, come on
Speaker 1: here anymore. And he he apparently had a friend who
Speaker 1: tried to reach out to me to tell me he
Speaker 1: was sorry. I wasn't even listening. But at the point,
Speaker 1: at that point, it had become so bad. Do you
Speaker 1: remember the movie Twelve Years of Slave. Remember that movie
Speaker 1: was out, and this is how cruel social media is.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that the campaign for it, it was
Speaker 1: a slave something right, people happened my face. I don't
Speaker 1: want to laugh. I don't want to laugh believe that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I was like, yo, how disrespectful is this?
Speaker 1: Like a bunch of people were sending me that, like
Speaker 1: defending him, like having his back, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what world do we live in where that's okay? Like
Speaker 1: none of this is okay. And then and I just
Speaker 1: never talked about it because I was just so hurt.
Speaker 1: I was really hurt because I was just like that, like,
Speaker 1: as a woman who is respected also, I thought or this.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sitting here doing my job, minding my business.
Speaker 1: I was like, why is that okay for this white
Speaker 1: man to do that and still treat me this way
Speaker 1: or treat us this way, or have this image of us.
Speaker 1: None of that's funny. None of that's funny. And so
Speaker 1: it just became this whole to do and everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: we already know what happened to him. Yeah, well, speaking
Speaker 1: kind of in this realm, and and with the treatment
Speaker 1: that you guys get in the space, you know Gabby
Speaker 1: is going through right now. We talked about alf Khama,
Speaker 1: how proud of her you are and what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I just
Speaker 1: I just sent her a message. I said, well, she
Speaker 1: obviously got let go from this show, right, she got
Speaker 1: let go from America's got talent um. And and you
Speaker 1: don't have to renew somebody's contract. We know that's the
Speaker 1: nature of the business. No one's entitled, right, but you
Speaker 1: would think if you do your job and you do
Speaker 1: it well, rewarded and she did that, right, So how
Speaker 1: do you like she We're watching all these people you know,
Speaker 1: fail upward and she's succeeding downward, like how why is
Speaker 1: she not being brought back? Right? So she's just frustrated.
Speaker 1: I remember just being like, I'm so frustrated. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. I'm so frustrated, which I understand.
Speaker 1: And then she was like, what should I do? And
Speaker 1: I remember her just really thinking it through because you
Speaker 1: have to realize, and she's talked about it later. No
Speaker 1: matter what, especially with women of color, no matter what,
Speaker 1: you could whisper, and your voice is still too loud
Speaker 1: for a world that never intended to hear it. You
Speaker 1: could whisper, you could just say, hey, can I talk
Speaker 1: to you and use all my happy words. I'm uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with this and it's still a problem. And so she
Speaker 1: was tired, like her quote, not mine, I'm tired of
Speaker 1: being a happy negro. I'm tired of just being here.
Speaker 1: And the response to what she's dealing with, in terms
Speaker 1: of how people have had her back, has been overwhelming
Speaker 1: because normally you just gets you know, pushed to the side,
Speaker 1: and its who knows, because she knows the end result
Speaker 1: of her speaking up and saying what she said could
Speaker 1: end up with her not having another type of job
Speaker 1: like that again, right, it could and like, well was
Speaker 1: your rich husband. But that's now, that's it's not the
Speaker 1: point at the point, like if you know where she
Speaker 1: want to work hard, she got her own mind. And
Speaker 1: it's also the fact of the respect, like I've been
Speaker 1: in for so long? Are we still doing this? Like
Speaker 1: at the bottom line, like I've been nothing but professional,
Speaker 1: handle myself accordingly, I show up on time, I go
Speaker 1: above and beyond. I'm twice as good as everybody else.
Speaker 1: Why why am I not getting the respect? When do what? Do?
Speaker 1: What do I have to do? And so I was
Speaker 1: really proud of her because for us, a group of
Speaker 1: women have talked about it, it's happening in real life.
Speaker 1: It's like three point oh, I've never seen anybody do
Speaker 1: what she's doing and think at the support. Usually it
Speaker 1: happens and then there's a pushback. They're mad at you,
Speaker 1: you can't work no more, or no one's writing about it,
Speaker 1: or no one's applauding you and saying good for you,
Speaker 1: thank you for standing up. I appreciate that, and I
Speaker 1: mean it's beautiful for us, it's beautiful, and it's big.
Speaker 1: It's not following on deaf ears anymore, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I think for so long it fell on
Speaker 1: deaf ears, like they don't want you to speak in
Speaker 1: the first place. So, you know, but it's people are
Speaker 1: you know. I just think we're power social media, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really the power of social media, you
Speaker 1: know when you start. You know, because I spoke to
Speaker 1: it too after it happened, she's you know, so it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I freely speak. I was like,
Speaker 1: whatever you need me to post, let me know. I
Speaker 1: got you. You know, I love that you want to
Speaker 1: come on the show. And she's like, I definitely want
Speaker 1: to come on the show. But it's just like you
Speaker 1: get allies, and now we all have a voice that
Speaker 1: not only certain people have a voice. So now we
Speaker 1: can start attacking or at least fireback. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: and I want that freedom. What you need me to post,
Speaker 1: That's where I'm going, That's what I'm moving, That's my
Speaker 1: next level. You'll be there soon enough. On the brighter side, huge, huge,
Speaker 1: huge U C l A and Laker fan, but particularly Lakers.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that. I love a Lakers, d'all,
Speaker 1: not just because like you, but not just because they're
Speaker 1: like you guys have to okay, family I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you out the whole background. I don't get the breakdown.
Speaker 1: Here's the break Okay. So my grandmother grew up in
Speaker 1: the segregated South. Un know I was gonna bring my grandma.
Speaker 1: She grew up in a segregated album. She she she
Speaker 1: played basketball right to all black school in Magnolia, Arkansas,
Speaker 1: And so when her mother moved to California, she left
Speaker 1: secretary school and came here and became a Laker fan
Speaker 1: right away. Now, my grandmother can't drive. This is a
Speaker 1: funny story, still alive. Amazing lady. But she would want
Speaker 1: to go to these Laker games, but no one wanted
Speaker 1: to go with her or drive her. So she would
Speaker 1: catch the bus to the farm where we go with her,
Speaker 1: like eighties, and who would go with her. I don't
Speaker 1: know what was going on, but it was me and
Speaker 1: I'd be right there with her this sitting there on
Speaker 1: her nose bleeds, yes, but I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: was happening. But she's like explaining the game to me
Speaker 1: and how much she loves the Lakers and this that
Speaker 1: in the third and a c green and da dada
Speaker 1: da da. She love him. He was so cute because
Speaker 1: he had Jerry Curl like it was all these it
Speaker 1: was all these stories. She loved Magic, like it was
Speaker 1: all these stories worthy. Like I go down the list,
Speaker 1: Cooper in his socks, and she would just be talking
Speaker 1: about it. That's all she ever talked about when he
Speaker 1: was a kid, when I when she watched us, that's
Speaker 1: because she will always watch this because my mom was working,
Speaker 1: so she would watch this. Oh ever talked about and
Speaker 1: at one point she would take We used to have
Speaker 1: these family photos that were framed up all around the house,
Speaker 1: and whenever she got to meet one of them and
Speaker 1: they signed it, Yeah, don't don't care what coming out.
Speaker 1: That's Magic Johnson. That is a fact. And so our
Speaker 1: pictures would come out one by one and it'd be
Speaker 1: all the Lakers, no love right, literally black and white
Speaker 1: photos of Magic, a c Greek who whoever she met,
Speaker 1: like whoever she caught the bus to meet, Like literally
Speaker 1: she would on the bus to meet anybody wherever they
Speaker 1: were signing, because back then it was easy. You could
Speaker 1: just they signed in here, show up at the warehouse
Speaker 1: or whatever. So obviously I became a Laker fan, and
Speaker 1: it was right, you know, when they were baling the
Speaker 1: Celtics and we would just sit and watch and she
Speaker 1: was so into it, so I had to be into it.
Speaker 1: So because that was it, like I was. I was
Speaker 1: literally at her knee all the time. That's all I
Speaker 1: ever knew. And so it went all the way back
Speaker 1: to there. And then of course my fandom is just
Speaker 1: even more crazy, so Kobe Shack amplified. And then when
Speaker 1: they when Kobe and Shack were battling, it was like
Speaker 1: the city was divided. You remember, it was like he
Speaker 1: was shacky with Kobe before it was like it was
Speaker 1: crazy because you was just like who you know at
Speaker 1: the beginning I was with Shack. Of course, everybody was
Speaker 1: a shock initially, Initially everybody was a shock because everyone, yeah, hello,
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, hold on, let's not rush
Speaker 1: to judgment. I can understand you wanting a trade. You
Speaker 1: remember he was all bad, right, And then then this
Speaker 1: is my um, the whole thing is like flak. Your
Speaker 1: fans are ridiculous because we're like, we're spoiled and we've
Speaker 1: always been in a conversation and someone we don't want.
Speaker 1: I even have to admit this. I used to talk
Speaker 1: so bad about Lebron, like so bad, like I'd be like,
Speaker 1: he ain't got it. I know, I'm mad. I told myself.
Speaker 1: Lebron and I had had this conversation. I was like
Speaker 1: I should I was wrong. I'm sorry. I was like
Speaker 1: I did not like you. I was like, welcome, let
Speaker 1: me welcome to the family. I mean, but he was
Speaker 1: just like he was like all Laker fans hated me
Speaker 1: because of Kobe. And you know why, because as Lebron
Speaker 1: started to as sin, we felt like people didn't give
Speaker 1: Kobe his his chest do. We felt like it went
Speaker 1: from Michael Jordan Lebron, You're like, wait a minute, Kobe,
Speaker 1: and still they still do right, and so we take it.
Speaker 1: We took its own personal, so personal, like you be
Speaker 1: ready to fight. And I thought to myself, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I understand why now I think, look, I mean, look
Speaker 1: if somebody put some true sermon, Kobe, he said the
Speaker 1: same thing, like why you don't don't skip over me
Speaker 1: like at all. But the reality is is that when
Speaker 1: you're just such a fan, that's how it was, and
Speaker 1: so you just want to win, like I I just
Speaker 1: it kills me because you know, our fans are self
Speaker 1: and out of them. Then when not something the one
Speaker 1: time I faked the bone, people wanted to really like
Speaker 1: I was getting death threat like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: In the I didn't like you. The Latino population was
Speaker 1: on my head, like you know, Dodgers and Lakers. They'll
Speaker 1: kill for Kobe and they'll kill for the fucking Dodgers.
Speaker 1: So it was really like that summer like ship was crazy.
Speaker 1: But it ended fast because that's the summer Kobe had
Speaker 1: called me like, Yo, come anyone, Carrey. You know the
Speaker 1: fun when we come play with me. So then I
Speaker 1: came to the Lakers, and then all the Mexican people
Speaker 1: because they thought I was Mexican slate, thought, man, we
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta Mexican homie on the Lakers now. And
Speaker 1: I would do my signings and they were and I
Speaker 1: finally had tells like I'm not I'm black in the
Speaker 1: Italian you know, but they still But it was crazy
Speaker 1: because I tell that story when you said, they would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we have to take out one of
Speaker 1: our own. Yeah, they know, they for real, they thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna have to take out you know, they
Speaker 1: have to take out one of them, and you know,
Speaker 1: someone in their own blood, like they wanted. They were
Speaker 1: wanted off with my head, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then I ended up becoming a Laker right after that.
Speaker 1: But you make yellow pageo jokes, but they really thought
Speaker 1: I was Mexican. They was on they were at my
Speaker 1: like you the summer and I was reading. I was
Speaker 1: reading these tweets and like a Mexican like and say
Speaker 1: voice like we'll kill you homes and we see you
Speaker 1: tell you ship, I'm like a ship. But been right
Speaker 1: after that and then like and I talked to her
Speaker 1: about sing No, we didn't with you at all. It
Speaker 1: was crazy, It was rude. How do you separate your
Speaker 1: fandom in your professional career? I absolutely do not. You
Speaker 1: ever catch bo TV, I absolutely do not. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I don't, I will tell you this. I
Speaker 1: think that everybody who ever who works in this in
Speaker 1: this arena in any capacity, especially if they haven't played.
Speaker 1: But if you were, you have your teams like you
Speaker 1: love your teams like you know, you know Steven A.
Speaker 1: Les Nicks, you'll talk about how our his Steelers, or
Speaker 1: you know, my my co host David Lloyd loves the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: like everyone talks about their team that they love and
Speaker 1: it's okay. So no, I don't separate it. I I
Speaker 1: don't separate it one little bit. I love it well.
Speaker 1: I like because, like I said, you've always spoken freely,
Speaker 1: and Dwight's first go around with the Lakers, you let
Speaker 1: him know how you feel, then he let you know
Speaker 1: how he feels. Yeah, it was uncompany tell that though,
Speaker 1: because people might I know, and then you guys sat
Speaker 1: down and squashed the beef somewhat. Um, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's yeah. I mean, I'm not mad at him, but
Speaker 1: what I thought, what Dwight did I'm always ahead of
Speaker 1: occurred because I said, I was like, we don't want him.
Speaker 1: I don't like all these key detwelve bill remember the billboards,
Speaker 1: and why so many men out they're killing you? Why
Speaker 1: you choose a woman to go And that's kind of weak,
Speaker 1: that's kind of wenna. I'm not gonna lie to you though.
Speaker 1: If some women you wouldn't slick to me, you would
Speaker 1: have came remember went back at her. What did I say?
Speaker 1: Tell me what I remember what you said? But it
Speaker 1: was crazy At the time. I was like, Yo, he
Speaker 1: came on, he came on, he came on sports station
Speaker 1: when I was hosting it, and um, he said something
Speaker 1: to me first. Really, yeah, he set the story right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He said something to me first, saying a woman was slick.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he gets talked back to what I'm saying. Oh god,
Speaker 1: you see the world I live in working with man,
Speaker 1: do y'all see? But I'm not afraid, I'm furious. I
Speaker 1: don't care. So he said something like he's like but
Speaker 1: not like some people who don't like me. No more,
Speaker 1: he said something like to that effect, like knowing that
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. No, I remembering that I didn't
Speaker 1: like him. I said, are you firying to me? And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, no, I didn't. And I said,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I was like fans or no.
Speaker 1: He said, Laker fans treated him really bad when he
Speaker 1: was leaving, and he didn't like it. He was like
Speaker 1: like some people. And he looked at me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, right, because you like it just happens. But
Speaker 1: I get he wanted. He thought it was gonna be
Speaker 1: funny because you know, he's a silly guy. But I
Speaker 1: was ready for it because I I said, again, I
Speaker 1: take everything so personal about my Lakers, and I was
Speaker 1: like I was with the ships. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is why we didn't like you. We felt like you
Speaker 1: let the team down. We felt like the last few
Speaker 1: games you were playing, you know, halfheartedly, like you didn't
Speaker 1: want to be there. Then why even play at all?
Speaker 1: Why evencome? Why go through the motions? I just felt
Speaker 1: like you quit on your team, and no athletes should
Speaker 1: ever quit on the team. Like I just felt like,
Speaker 1: you get paid to do a job. Do your damn job.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you don't like what's going on.
Speaker 1: Leave all your emotions out there, like no one has
Speaker 1: time for that, show up and play. And he was like, no, well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what really happened. I wasn't mad
Speaker 1: at anybody, Mitch cup Check and he was talking about
Speaker 1: the whope, like how he got ejected and he just
Speaker 1: explained it and we just I was, but I was
Speaker 1: with it because I was I have been waiting, I
Speaker 1: have been waiting. I was like, okay, go ahead, sir,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't. I understood that he felt some type
Speaker 1: of way. And then him and Kobe had beef, you know,
Speaker 1: so I was just taking up for Kobe. Kobe needed
Speaker 1: me to take up him because he could, and I
Speaker 1: got it, like kidding, he didn't do that, but it
Speaker 1: was I'm mad at Dwight. I think Dwight actually is
Speaker 1: really misunderstood now that I see a lot of them,
Speaker 1: like I think that. I think knowing him off camera,
Speaker 1: I think that maturity plays a huge or lack thereof
Speaker 1: plays a huge role in how he handles himself. He's
Speaker 1: a big guy, so everybody expecting the biggest, big mein guy.
Speaker 1: But he told obviously he loves life. He being happy guy,
Speaker 1: lucky dude. He's a nice guy. He should be a
Speaker 1: little mean in my book. But yeah, I agree with that,
Speaker 1: you too, Yeah right though? Yeah, but no, he's a
Speaker 1: He's a sign this go around. Now he's playing, I
Speaker 1: think he's the ex factor. Oh no, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: And I said it. But when they signed him because
Speaker 1: we don't want dwighte we remember the first time I'm
Speaker 1: to myself like this dude knows is his last chance? Yeah,
Speaker 1: up here, you're done. I was trying to play with
Speaker 1: my whole career team. I played with him in Orlando
Speaker 1: when he was the ship people don't really like. Oh
Speaker 1: nine ish Superman led the league and led the league
Speaker 1: in All Star votes over Kobe, over Lebron, over Katie.
Speaker 1: He was two time defensive player. Dwhite was incredible, and
Speaker 1: then he came to him, no question, he came to
Speaker 1: the Lakers. They had that back injury, and I think
Speaker 1: he tried to rush back from that and people don't
Speaker 1: take it. Like people we talked about this on one
Speaker 1: of the very first episodes. People don't give it. If
Speaker 1: you're on that court, they don't give an what's behind you,
Speaker 1: and like you gotta play and coming back from a
Speaker 1: back injury. I saw he went from being superman to
Speaker 1: barely be able to jump. And I'm just like, damn,
Speaker 1: and you just happen to do that on the Lakers.
Speaker 1: He can't do that on the Laker stage. He was like,
Speaker 1: I had a back injury. Nobody knew I was playing injured,
Speaker 1: and they don't care. Real fans don't give That's how
Speaker 1: it is, right, everybody's injured, right, welcome, everybody's injured. So anyway,
Speaker 1: whatever we got, we got, we got over it. But
Speaker 1: did I was like, you ain't lying. If you had
Speaker 1: came on the show that I was hosting after you
Speaker 1: did that to Kobe, we would have fought, like I
Speaker 1: probably would have agreed that, but put him fasciline on
Speaker 1: my face. I would have been like, where are you at?
Speaker 1: Where you at? I would have been like, you would
Speaker 1: have been like, if she serious, how dare you attack
Speaker 1: Kobe like that? I would do that for you all though,
Speaker 1: Like if you were like, like, if somebody's talking bad
Speaker 1: about you'all, y'all even now, I would do that the
Speaker 1: guy that said that about you and tell him were
Speaker 1: having a Christmas part of Christmas tree and beat the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it Lebron and a D combo.
Speaker 1: I mean I love it. Um, I got to winning
Speaker 1: the championship. You do, Yeah, yeah, I got A D
Speaker 1: has been tim dunking on steroids, And of course I
Speaker 1: think the Bron is the best player in the world.
Speaker 1: But if Katie not playing, But you don't think the Clippers.
Speaker 1: I just think the dynamic of the Lebron been able
Speaker 1: to do everything and having a play with the caliber
Speaker 1: playoff a D and what he can do on both
Speaker 1: sides of the floor, and how he can get forty
Speaker 1: a night on anybody. Lebron has never had that. He's
Speaker 1: won championships with less, so to have that, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's stopping him. So when Lebron was
Speaker 1: on I have to ask you this because this is
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, Like, I get the Clippers make me nervous,
Speaker 1: and you on our show, so don't start asking questions
Speaker 1: like no, I'm nervous, like I love the Lagers. I
Speaker 1: agree with what you said, and I would like to
Speaker 1: see him, But I think the Clippers have to upper hid.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have they have the upperhand
Speaker 1: in the sense of like defense, like I just get nervous,
Speaker 1: like I'm like, and then I don't well, And of
Speaker 1: course I don't thinka is one hunter, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter at this moment because they're doing his low
Speaker 1: management and I'm thinking, Okay, so Lebron used to be
Speaker 1: low low managed, or so does A d like as
Speaker 1: a fan, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, y'all don't know, Okay,
Speaker 1: December chill. The best thing for the Legers and the
Speaker 1: worst thing happened for the Clippers. They beat the Lakers early.
Speaker 1: The best thing for Lebron was he took that and
Speaker 1: he got a lot of flat when he didn't beat
Speaker 1: the when he didn't play as hard as Kauai did
Speaker 1: that first game, like I took the challenge. He guarded
Speaker 1: him all that Lebron I didn't do that. So the
Speaker 1: next day he was getting killed in the media. It
Speaker 1: was since then he'd been on the triple. He heard
Speaker 1: heard he was another game. He was on his head.
Speaker 1: That was that was bad for the league because now
Speaker 1: he's gonna destroy everybody. And I was I was someone
Speaker 1: saying he was just feeling out his surroundings. That started
Speaker 1: effort to say, Okay, let me see what we got
Speaker 1: with a D. And it took a little bit for
Speaker 1: a D to get his feet wet. But they're rolling down,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that they had a hell
Speaker 1: of that. The Clippers make me nervous. I don't I Look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say all day the Lakers are gonna be
Speaker 1: in the finals, but I really want them to manage them.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they don't have Lebron's like, I
Speaker 1: don't believe in little management. I'm like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to play every game, dog, Like, yeah, save it, save it.
Speaker 1: This is this, it's too early for all this, Like
Speaker 1: I get it, but chill out. I can look. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think that the way that
Speaker 1: they're handling Kauai makes me a little nervous like I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not one hundred, but it's smart, like they
Speaker 1: don't need to win every game. They're looking at this
Speaker 1: whole marathon. It's not this little little sprint right here.
Speaker 1: They got the whole marathon. And then it's really gonna
Speaker 1: come down to coaching, Like is Vogel coaching or is it? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You can't get Voge his respecting boys, number
Speaker 1: one record in the NBA. Yeah, because they got um
Speaker 1: one coach of the Year over the line of hollers
Speaker 1: and they got J Kid right there. That's why you
Speaker 1: think Jed, I just feel like LaMnO and out there
Speaker 1: like we got But I just know what. I just
Speaker 1: know what guys like J Kid been, having him on
Speaker 1: the bench and having line of hones both players both
Speaker 1: have been had a success in coach. I know what
Speaker 1: that do. When you have a player on the sideline,
Speaker 1: that's different. That's definitely if you had Kobe Kobe on
Speaker 1: the sideline and Vogel, who your player going to talk
Speaker 1: to during the time out? Damn, so're not gonna be Vocus.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you having J Kid on the sideline,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you up fighting that at all. So you
Speaker 1: think kind of like us that the conference finals will
Speaker 1: be Lakers Clippers. Yeah, for sure, I definitely think that.
Speaker 1: I feel like in the East Bucks, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like they have you know, Perkis was on
Speaker 1: the show the other day and he said something I
Speaker 1: thought that we don't pay attention to. They kind of
Speaker 1: have a three. They kind of have a big three
Speaker 1: with Chris and Bledsoe like in you honest, I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily know if they but I mean
Speaker 1: to me, that's all I see. Celtics look good like,
Speaker 1: but I'm not believing. I think the Celtic sort of
Speaker 1: piece away. I like feely feely can figure out what
Speaker 1: they have. I think losing Jimmy Beller was big, huge,
Speaker 1: but we'll see, you know what I mean, I still like,
Speaker 1: you know, embed I don't know, and be got called
Speaker 1: out by Ship Yeah, so he got motivated, but I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just felt it too mature.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're there yet maturing. Well. Miami's one
Speaker 1: piece of way to what they trade? Who do they
Speaker 1: give away? Who do they have to give away? Do
Speaker 1: you bring in? What kind of player. Yeah, Miami's good,
Speaker 1: patro it makes them happen. Okay, Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it'll come down to coaching. I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I think, no one
Speaker 1: saying anything about Frank Bogo because there's a winning So
Speaker 1: if they start losing, he'll probably give Morebody said, what
Speaker 1: happens when they hit it two or three games Slater
Speaker 1: we start talking about then we'll say, Okay, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. But I like everybody said, everybody everyone,
Speaker 1: No one's giving him any respect at all. No one's
Speaker 1: giving Vogal any respect. But what about the Pacers team?
Speaker 1: They didn't he coach them when they were at their best,
Speaker 1: when it was Joe to see in them. Remember they
Speaker 1: win anything? No, but they were always in the conference
Speaker 1: finals like a lot of teams compete. But he was
Speaker 1: doing well with that team. Like, wasn't that he ant
Speaker 1: Boy or Roy Hibbert? Like what I mean, what happened
Speaker 1: to these guys? Like in my mind, I'm like where
Speaker 1: hibberw was the ship? He didn't play anywhere you go,
Speaker 1: right right? He was a liking for like five minutes
Speaker 1: they needed. That's all they needed to where's Roy I
Speaker 1: don't know where. Who are some of your your favorite
Speaker 1: young players in the NBA right now? I like Donovan
Speaker 1: mitchell Um, I like I like John Moran Actually don't know,
Speaker 1: but he's actually I like his swag, like he plays
Speaker 1: like he believes. It took Tho so long. I'm talking
Speaker 1: Alonzo because I was such a die hard you say,
Speaker 1: a Laker fan. It took him so long to believe,
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, how do you how do you
Speaker 1: come out believe it? In others don't Like Zoe didn't
Speaker 1: have that and I didn'tyone say it might be his
Speaker 1: dad whatever. I don't know about all that, but I
Speaker 1: just like it. It's a lot of these intangibles in
Speaker 1: terms of how they are off the court, like how
Speaker 1: they handle themselves, how they how they believe, how they
Speaker 1: come at these these vests, like I don't care, like
Speaker 1: different walks, like you know what you know what means?
Speaker 1: That don't mean to other kids, it means something to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him. I like, I'm looking. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with I on I'm waiting to see
Speaker 1: what he'll be like. That's to me is that that's
Speaker 1: the big question Mark Wese kids split out of the
Speaker 1: shoes and everybody waiting to see him play, and his
Speaker 1: knees hurt, and is he too big? He does he
Speaker 1: need to lose weight? You can't tell so many questions.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to come down to to sixty five?
Speaker 1: Is to eighty five is big, especially for the rigors
Speaker 1: in in the length of the NBA season and the
Speaker 1: travel schedule, in the practice. I think we'll see the
Speaker 1: best Zion it to sixty five. But it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: once he kind of gets in the rhythm and starts
Speaker 1: going I like your young to bad team. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like game. Yeah, there's a handful. It's you know, we
Speaker 1: spoke you know, to d Way a while back, and
Speaker 1: and and and you know, once Lebron leaves, like, I
Speaker 1: think the NBA is going to be in great hands.
Speaker 1: You know, what can you do? Yeah? Who's the next Lebron?
Speaker 1: I don't know if there don't will never be another Bron.
Speaker 1: But who's the next big star? Katie Janice Luca. Hey,
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Katie, I was saying before he
Speaker 1: got hurt, breaking records and ship Yeah, I think so, okay,
Speaker 1: I think so it's me sacking to see. I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll see Superstars And you know the next year we
Speaker 1: had the Warrior's back in Rath for him. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, we'll see I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I have a question. Yeah you go, I had
Speaker 1: a question. You know I'm gonna ask a question. So
Speaker 1: why do people think? And I asked you this already?
Speaker 1: So when people think about you, when they say they
Speaker 1: see you like, I just don't go. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You say, whatever come to mine? Do people
Speaker 1: see what I think? I see the sensitivity of who
Speaker 1: you are, like the nice guy? Do you show that
Speaker 1: to everybody? You're kind? I think I do. She's about
Speaker 1: to make against cry right now, I think I do.
Speaker 1: I mean I tried to. I try to beat me.
Speaker 1: I want my emotions on my sleeve. So but how
Speaker 1: you express them as different express them is very different.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody don't follow me. So they followed my Instagram,
Speaker 1: they see a totally different side of me. You know,
Speaker 1: I listened to gospel every Sunday on my life, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So people might not know that
Speaker 1: they don't follow me. Um, I'm a very emotional guy.
Speaker 1: Very emotional, but you would you have to be around
Speaker 1: me to know that. At work, one time, I think
Speaker 1: it was Valentine's Day, he brought all the girls a
Speaker 1: single rose, rainbow roses. Well, no, he was, No, it
Speaker 1: was you know what if trying to hype that devil. Yes,
Speaker 1: a little bit of it was a little bit was
Speaker 1: the player in me. But it was, you know, it
Speaker 1: was Valentine's Day. I was going to work. And one
Speaker 1: thing about working at the time, all the women they're
Speaker 1: treating me. Well, you know, I spoke to everybody and
Speaker 1: that's just the country boy and me and being raised
Speaker 1: by a beautiful woman, my mom, I've always had respect.
Speaker 1: So working there, you don't see that a lot. You
Speaker 1: don't see people doing stuff like that and respecting women
Speaker 1: and saying how how you doing. So I made it
Speaker 1: a point to do that on Valentine's Day and they
Speaker 1: loved it. No, not only did they love it. First
Speaker 1: of all, he don't know this before Before he even
Speaker 1: gave out the roses, the rainbow colored roses, which I
Speaker 1: thought was so sweet, he walked up to every single
Speaker 1: girl and gave it to I was like, what kind
Speaker 1: of sweet little menister? Don't society, society, A little set
Speaker 1: you still, I like my mouth was open. He was
Speaker 1: just really sweet. And he's shy too, like he's there's
Speaker 1: a shy element to you that people, it sounds crazy.
Speaker 1: Everything I'm saying sounds crazy somebody who don't know you. Right. So, then,
Speaker 1: but before he gave out the roses, I gotta put
Speaker 1: all the girls would be like, he's so cute. He's
Speaker 1: so cute. They like because jealous. You think I'm starting
Speaker 1: to look good because I've been using this product, you know,
Speaker 1: don't you don't think I've been I've been had a
Speaker 1: little glow on me. Man, I've been had a little glow.
Speaker 1: And they pretty boy at miss but they really they
Speaker 1: really see it now Anyway, the girls loved him maybe
Speaker 1: like what what's the situation? I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: my business like, but all the girls loved him, like
Speaker 1: make up somehow he was really nice all girls because
Speaker 1: they all loved him makeup. He simply in the make
Speaker 1: a room talk to the girls and asked them about
Speaker 1: their day. How they doing this? Because once he opens up,
Speaker 1: motherfucker talking face on talk your whole goddamn face all
Speaker 1: the way off the ground. You ain't like oh. I
Speaker 1: was telling him about this recipe I made the other day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will with you. Being such a big
Speaker 1: you know, got me blushing. I love you. You blush
Speaker 1: like legit blush. If he wasn't so dark, I said,
Speaker 1: your cheeks are a little red. I can't really see them,
Speaker 1: but I can imagine dark tents like Mahogany dark tent.
Speaker 1: It's like a little bit of red. Your hands probably
Speaker 1: fall color. You know, are your hands sweat right now?
Speaker 1: Before before they was drinking that it was barred coming
Speaker 1: to little baby job back and the things. That's what
Speaker 1: your hands? You got jack over your blushing and ship.
Speaker 1: Would you be in such a prominent voice in the
Speaker 1: sports world. What is your thoughts on the U n
Speaker 1: b A and the progress and the growth they're trying
Speaker 1: to make in the equal pace stuff. I feel like
Speaker 1: the w BA is kind of suffering from what I
Speaker 1: was telling you about earlier about women who feel like
Speaker 1: they can't talk. Are the right, They'll never work again.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very I feel like most of
Speaker 1: the women I speak to off camera want to say
Speaker 1: more about what's not right. I think if the men
Speaker 1: who played in the league or men and positions, like
Speaker 1: you guys start talking about their traveling conditions and how
Speaker 1: they're being treated so poorly. If that became more of
Speaker 1: a story than people that have these networks, I eat ESPN,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it more like I feel the women
Speaker 1: don't feel I know for a fact they don't feel respected.
Speaker 1: I think it's getting better. But you have this one
Speaker 1: product in the NBA that is booming, right, booming, booming.
Speaker 1: I don't know what these television contracts are. And you're
Speaker 1: telling me you can't take that model and somehow make
Speaker 1: it work for in any capacity more so than what
Speaker 1: it is working now for the women. You're making dollars minimum, right,
Speaker 1: you're traveling um in the worst conditions. You are playing
Speaker 1: some of your your playoff games in high school arenas.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to me, And like seriously,
Speaker 1: and and I don't think a lot of people go
Speaker 1: to w NBA games, which you've been, and you go,
Speaker 1: it's the fundamentals, and it's a good vibe. It's the fundamentals.
Speaker 1: You like, it is, family, is fun, it's everything. I
Speaker 1: think we'll hurt sim as athleticism. And you don't understand,
Speaker 1: and you don't appreciate the game for as a purist,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll overlooking because of that. Yeah, because you feel
Speaker 1: like you need to have this. I want to hear
Speaker 1: low the room, make them done higher, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say. I just feel as if I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a great game and they're not publicizing it, well,
Speaker 1: we buy stuff that we don't even want because of
Speaker 1: the way it's marketed in everyday life, whether they be
Speaker 1: closed shoes anything tag in the So how come you
Speaker 1: can't market this product? There's no way you can figure
Speaker 1: out to market this product. Just be like or do
Speaker 1: you not care? Right? It's the people who run it
Speaker 1: and you have to you gotta puld people accountable. But
Speaker 1: it's come a long way, but it's been twenties in
Speaker 1: my year or something like damn got they gotta stuff
Speaker 1: adding Like I think like even with like the All
Speaker 1: Star weekend, if they had like the women's have the
Speaker 1: women integrated some type of way, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: to start making people see the game and see the
Speaker 1: involved like that, and do a little bit with like
Speaker 1: the shooting competitions. But I think deeper ingrainment in the
Speaker 1: NBA game to have you know, it could be much more.
Speaker 1: Have an All Star game that weekends, yes, the same
Speaker 1: week that before before they play the All Star game,
Speaker 1: or have their game a game in general that played
Speaker 1: that weekend. There's a way to do it. You just
Speaker 1: have to decide if you wanted the money to pay
Speaker 1: you some money to get behind the scenes of hell Listen,
Speaker 1: you know our mutual friend Christine Simmons, we've talked about
Speaker 1: that in so many different ways. It's just you have
Speaker 1: to want to change it. And I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: they want to. It's a lot too. I don't think
Speaker 1: they social issues and having a platform like Champion causes
Speaker 1: speak on that. You know, there's there's so much going
Speaker 1: on into today's society with right and wrong and police
Speaker 1: brutality and human trafficking and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Like because I know all that touch of you're someone
Speaker 1: who's very aware of the news, speak on that things
Speaker 1: that registered with me. Um, And it's so funny. I
Speaker 1: have and they don't have any particular order, probably a
Speaker 1: little more passionate about others, um, but I I don't
Speaker 1: like the way that black men are treated like. That's
Speaker 1: one of my one of my big big issues. I
Speaker 1: feel like the the Black family is is destroyed in
Speaker 1: so many different ways, and I feel like they tacked
Speaker 1: the men and as a result, the women are left
Speaker 1: to do so many different things. And then when that happens,
Speaker 1: you break up this culture and you don't know your history,
Speaker 1: you don't know where you come from. So that's one
Speaker 1: of my really big issues. And I like to talk
Speaker 1: about the idea of black love and us taking care
Speaker 1: of one another in a in a much more village
Speaker 1: family type way. Like if you look at different cultures,
Speaker 1: you look at how the Jewish people or the Italians
Speaker 1: stay together, like you go to Italian like and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they have their dysfunction as well. But this
Speaker 1: this connection that we don't have, our lack thereof, is
Speaker 1: why the women are you know, like me, where I
Speaker 1: grew up fearless, which is great, but I needed. I
Speaker 1: think I need a healthy fear of male respect, right
Speaker 1: of my male my whether be my my mate, my husband,
Speaker 1: my boss, and air quotes, whatever it is. I think
Speaker 1: there should be a level of respect there and I
Speaker 1: don't have that because I didn't have my father growing up,
Speaker 1: so I'd just be in your face, ready to ready
Speaker 1: to tell do y heating nothing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And I don't think yeah, and it's not and it's
Speaker 1: not a apropriate, but it's a I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: creature of habit that the environment the product of my environment.
Speaker 1: And so the more I get older and the more
Speaker 1: I realize that that's not necessarily the way to approach life,
Speaker 1: I understand why I'm doing it. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I'm trying to auto correct. But I also think at
Speaker 1: the same turn, I think men don't do that for women,
Speaker 1: especially for Black women. I feel like we're the most
Speaker 1: unprotected group of people ever and no one is having
Speaker 1: our back and consistently being criticized for us, you know,
Speaker 1: behaving the way in which we behave because of the
Speaker 1: result of our product rights. So this is vicious cycle.
Speaker 1: So it's one of these things that I try to
Speaker 1: talk about a lot. I'm really big on us just
Speaker 1: working as a whole for women, Like I think, I
Speaker 1: have so many like interpersonal issues that I found just
Speaker 1: growing up in this world and growing up in this
Speaker 1: working environment, and they're all about how we interact and
Speaker 1: how we treat people like I. Ultimately, I would I
Speaker 1: would love to say that I have great relationships with everybody.
Speaker 1: To have a good healthy respect for everybody, I don't.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think we really
Speaker 1: should start valuing, which we don't. It's just our time
Speaker 1: and our human and human life. Like we don't spend
Speaker 1: time appreciating the people we are with. So when I'm
Speaker 1: teasing you about giving the girls flowers and roses, like,
Speaker 1: I mean that ship like the girls, that's that kind
Speaker 1: of thing means a lot. You don't know what somebody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know what their day is like, you don't
Speaker 1: know how that touched somebody's heart, where they had a
Speaker 1: crush on you or not, stack like those things matter.
Speaker 1: Knowing that somebody sees you and can relate to you
Speaker 1: and touch you and say I feel your spirit. You matter.
Speaker 1: So I feel that's kind of where I'm at peace,
Speaker 1: love and happiness and joy. That's where I'm matterness in
Speaker 1: this phase of my life and in terms of professionally
Speaker 1: and issues that matter for me. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to transition. I want to go to a new level,
Speaker 1: Like I like working where I work, but it's time
Speaker 1: for me. I think I'm getting the itch and it's
Speaker 1: time for me to be in a place in which
Speaker 1: I can use my voice in a much louder way, right, unapologetically. Well,
Speaker 1: would something like that for me? That is working more
Speaker 1: in a personality realm where I could host different shows
Speaker 1: where I could um talk about what I love, like
Speaker 1: I love doing this. I know nos as hell and
Speaker 1: I ask questions, but that's just a natural curiosity. I'm
Speaker 1: just a business, right, and I want to be able
Speaker 1: to do more of that. I want to. I definitely
Speaker 1: want to work in the arena of mental health, Like
Speaker 1: that's so huge, Like I want to be able to
Speaker 1: tell those stories and how people and how it's okay
Speaker 1: to get therapy and we shouldn't have to pay for therapy.
Speaker 1: Therapy is crazy. There be a million dollars a session.
Speaker 1: Why am I paying? You know? I want to be
Speaker 1: able to be on that forefront. I want to be
Speaker 1: able to advocate for that because I've seen it change
Speaker 1: lives and I've seen it destroy lives. Right, Like in
Speaker 1: my family, I don't know how you guys grew up.
Speaker 1: I'm like going too that. I was like, coming to
Speaker 1: your therapy, let's talk about some of our issues, what
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. Should I don't believe in that. Why not?
Speaker 1: Well that's how they grew up and they don't think
Speaker 1: it's right. But I want to be able to talk
Speaker 1: about that on the level. And if you see celebrities
Speaker 1: doing it and people with influence doing it and people
Speaker 1: who matter talking about it, then you're like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not It doesn't have that stigmatism to it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have that like, oh, I don't do that. If everybody's
Speaker 1: doing it, right, why not. Do you feel the responsibility
Speaker 1: of you know, obviously, like you just spoke on your
Speaker 1: platform and who you are and what you've been able
Speaker 1: to accomplished. Um, do you feel responsibility of being a mentor? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's honestly. Like I tell these girls, I
Speaker 1: was like, I know, I'm cute, my new goal hair
Speaker 1: and legs out. I'm real, I'm real put together, but
Speaker 1: I'm at the end of the day, like all you
Speaker 1: see is that part. Like I was like, it's hard work,
Speaker 1: Like I just didn't show up and put on a
Speaker 1: little dress and go out here and start talking. All
Speaker 1: of this is hard work. And so if you're not
Speaker 1: giving back and you're not explaining that, then you're not
Speaker 1: doing nothing. I Oh, everything I love. Your job is service.
Speaker 1: If you are not giving back, you're not worth anything.
Speaker 1: I swear That's the only reason I say that to everybody,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, why do I have this platform?
Speaker 1: Why do I have this pocket? Why do I have
Speaker 1: this little bit of change? Why do I have this
Speaker 1: What everything I have is not just to keep right,
Speaker 1: It's not to keep You're supposed to share. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to give it out like and I'm doing that and
Speaker 1: the only way that I know how to do it.
Speaker 1: And and because somebody did it for me. All you
Speaker 1: need is one Yes, you need one person to believe in.
Speaker 1: You always say we're not we're not out of supporting
Speaker 1: each other than what we're doing. And you know we're
Speaker 1: not doing we waste some time. You know, this is
Speaker 1: a perfect time for especially us as a race, our race.
Speaker 1: We've seen the twenty th make more money than we've
Speaker 1: ever made in this time, so it's even more imperative
Speaker 1: that we support each other and build each other up
Speaker 1: along the way. It's really important. What do you think
Speaker 1: when you hear like a girl like I want to
Speaker 1: be just like you? What is that when your journey
Speaker 1: and what it took to get here. What is it?
Speaker 1: What do you think? I'm like, what what you mean?
Speaker 1: What was that? Man? I'm thinking about, like, well do
Speaker 1: you want to be like being upset with some bullshit?
Speaker 1: Like but when little girls, you know, little girls, if
Speaker 1: I immediately go to me, did they see what I
Speaker 1: was doing the other day? Um, I'm such a mess.
Speaker 1: I think it's super I loved that though, That's what
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you got to show that here because
Speaker 1: I've known you for a while and you know just
Speaker 1: how cool and you don't get that on you know,
Speaker 1: I can't, given right, I just can't. You know, like
Speaker 1: you such an elegant hood lady. I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 1: I take that. Yeah, yeah, because it's funny. They'll be
Speaker 1: like you seem so I'm like, I get it. I
Speaker 1: know I'm not, damn it. But I'm humbled by that
Speaker 1: because I think that, Um, I think that were I
Speaker 1: knew when I was a little kid. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: guys can relate to this. When you were a little kid,
Speaker 1: did you did you feel whatever it was that was
Speaker 1: special about you or different about you? Whenever there's a
Speaker 1: moment in our lives and we're just like you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing something special. Well, we've had it. If
Speaker 1: you haven't had it, I want you guys to really,
Speaker 1: whoever this is listening to the podcast, I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: I want you to look for it because you can
Speaker 1: still have it as an adult. But there's a time
Speaker 1: when I was a kid and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm supposed to do. Like I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: touch people, I'm supposed to read people. I mean, I
Speaker 1: swear to god, I can remember the day. And then
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was gonna do with it,
Speaker 1: but I knew that it was supposed to be bigger
Speaker 1: than than just me. And you know, it's not an
Speaker 1: accident that everybody has this platform because you knew the moment.
Speaker 1: You remember the day. Who's someone you looked up to
Speaker 1: in this space? You mentioned Oprah? Was she your main focus?
Speaker 1: Was there anyone in the sports realm that you looked
Speaker 1: up through? Female? Wise? Yeah? I like, you know this
Speaker 1: is so weird. Job Like, I'm about to give you
Speaker 1: guys this thing. I'm like, who was like her? Um?
Speaker 1: I like Diane Sawyer? M I like Diane Sawyer. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why she was like a beauty
Speaker 1: queen before she became that journalist type check right, And
Speaker 1: she was always so beautiful and hell again but always
Speaker 1: so real and honest and her questions she was just
Speaker 1: very sincere. She would just ask you a question and
Speaker 1: she could politely tear you up, get all in your business,
Speaker 1: but still look at you with such a loving, endearing way.
Speaker 1: And I was like that ship is great because she
Speaker 1: genuinely Yeah, it's a gift because she's literally connecting with
Speaker 1: your soul but telling you you ain't ship if that's
Speaker 1: the case, right, Like at the same time, it's like
Speaker 1: but it's like it's a genuine thing. And I just
Speaker 1: always liked her what I thought was authenticity and um,
Speaker 1: I never like when I would watch her as a kid,
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's great. Obviously it was Oprah, but in
Speaker 1: terms of her style, how she carried herself. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of women in my business, even before I
Speaker 1: got to ESPN, I felt like a lot of women
Speaker 1: thought they had to be dressed like boys, right, like
Speaker 1: wear suits and yeah, right, I was like, you could
Speaker 1: do both. You could. It's who says you can't, Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all about it, Like it's not fake that
Speaker 1: I want to do it all like instant, and you
Speaker 1: ultimately will have to pay attention to me. Whether you
Speaker 1: might be looking at whatever, but you're gonna ultimately pay
Speaker 1: attention to me too. And I think she was to
Speaker 1: me one of the first real elegant women world put together.
Speaker 1: Um and once she got past all that, you could
Speaker 1: listen to this. We've got some quick hitters before you
Speaker 1: get out of here. Okay, Jackie, want to start it?
Speaker 1: Top off sneakers of all time? You're you're a low
Speaker 1: key sneakerhead. I do have a lot of s you
Speaker 1: know what. I wear A lot of Jordan's, Like I
Speaker 1: have so many of these, Like I can't even get
Speaker 1: you get boxes of Jordan's sent to you or how
Speaker 1: you get on? I do? I do? I do get this.
Speaker 1: I do get them sent to me. But I I
Speaker 1: asked you, like sorry, I asked to like people say, hey,
Speaker 1: carry let me send you something. I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: send me. Say everybody got a hook up? You gotta
Speaker 1: try out to Samantha Baker, you gotta hook up. Don't
Speaker 1: get fed? Yeah? Hi? Yeah. Jack has a biging section
Speaker 1: of our of our show that he gets fed with. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like those because I wanted a pair of those,
Speaker 1: So Kobe sent those to you. Head lady gave him
Speaker 1: to you. I just got hooked up, you know, you
Speaker 1: know someone that somebody. I'm definitely blessed me and I
Speaker 1: think and I don't. I've never straight away from Nike,
Speaker 1: like I wasn't the only thing. I can't give you
Speaker 1: top five. I once I used to wear Adidas back
Speaker 1: in the day, like I used to like easies, but
Speaker 1: I mean that, and I was just real trendy, like
Speaker 1: everybody was wearing right because everybody thought they was the ones.
Speaker 1: But you didn't. You didn't wear I've never bought one pair.
Speaker 1: You never wore one pair. That's because see you did
Speaker 1: though I was Adidas. It's like the last two years
Speaker 1: of my crew when bro. Yeah, so I was with
Speaker 1: Adida since I was like you, they didn't know. They
Speaker 1: don't understand what being a rider was at the time,
Speaker 1: so they decided to take my deal. They thought I
Speaker 1: was just going up through a willing willy niarly now
Speaker 1: I was going to wrap my homeboys. You know, they
Speaker 1: took my deal. But shout out to Zack at Adidas.
Speaker 1: If I need something still, look to take care of you. Yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I decide I just only wear ones, and then of
Speaker 1: course I had low tops. I love them like I
Speaker 1: bought it. I mean that the special edition ones. Now
Speaker 1: every every every actress, every celebrity, every every movie start
Speaker 1: got some version of ones. Have you noticed that? Like?
Speaker 1: Did you say? I'm like, d how come you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, what's going on? I want one to
Speaker 1: Secret Society. Just a Nike girl. I don't have anything else.
Speaker 1: I only wear one. I like, I only wear Jordan's
Speaker 1: and I think that that's just because they look good
Speaker 1: on my feet. I don't even have an endorsement. You
Speaker 1: need to tell him. I tried. What happened? Jack knows
Speaker 1: some people in Jordan. They took his boxes away, but
Speaker 1: he still knows some people. I can't help you right now.
Speaker 1: Why not, Jordan's tell about your boxes? What happened your boxes?
Speaker 1: What happened? They cut his boxes off? But the guy
Speaker 1: used to run join at the time. What's kind of weird, dude,
Speaker 1: And he doesn't he doesn't work done them more. He's
Speaker 1: the guy that stopped sending me boxes. Now, all the games,
Speaker 1: we've been trying to get a message back to MJ
Speaker 1: that Jack needs. Actually shout out to MJ's daughter. She
Speaker 1: texts me, and I've actually been talking to her. Yes, yes, Marcus,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler plug shout. Marcus Jordan was on one of
Speaker 1: my other shows I host for Complex. Yeah, he gave
Speaker 1: me his number. So it's still open up invitation. What
Speaker 1: are you waiting on? I don't know. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to tease you with a little bit cool. I'm just
Speaker 1: glad you got the next question. A dream dinner table
Speaker 1: where you can soak up as much knowledge as you
Speaker 1: can give me. The top five people that are a
Speaker 1: lot you've had at that table with you, Maya Angelou,
Speaker 1: knos A Rice. This is so because I've been listening
Speaker 1: to these master classes, um DJ and I don't know
Speaker 1: him like that Dwayne Johnson, but I would like I
Speaker 1: would you guys. Yeah, but we don't sit and talk
Speaker 1: and get real like I want to have some tequila
Speaker 1: with him and talk about just the movies he's making
Speaker 1: and how you monster and the biggest start probably biggest
Speaker 1: star in the world, not the world. I went from
Speaker 1: playing at Miami to get playing like playing kicked out
Speaker 1: of CFL. Then I'm gonna be ar wrestled like my family.
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna start guest starring in movies, like but
Speaker 1: just be myself in movies. But then I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: actually doing movies and be really bad at it and
Speaker 1: then really just perfect my craft and become a decent actor.
Speaker 1: And then like shows in every way, every way got
Speaker 1: under armur line. It's like it sells out more than
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's Like what and theory? Yeah, like all of that,
Speaker 1: So I would I want to know, like and he
Speaker 1: stays up, like how do you do that? He was like, no,
Speaker 1: it's so neat. Like when when we filmed that show,
Speaker 1: he would we would wrap at three am, he go
Speaker 1: work out and then started his second job where he
Speaker 1: was doing voice over and I was just like what
Speaker 1: is that? Where does that come from? And he too
Speaker 1: talked about battling depression like I'm still dealing with it. Like,
Speaker 1: so he would be there, Um, clearly I have over there,
Speaker 1: and then I would have my dad and my mom. Wow. Nice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be some good food. Top two most memorable interviews
Speaker 1: so many um or favorite membable or favorite either one
Speaker 1: for me and here Brother fan Magic came on f
Speaker 1: T for an hour and some change. First time I
Speaker 1: ever met him, and that was like a moment like
Speaker 1: it's magic. That was my favorite player growing up too.
Speaker 1: I was with you look at me, my whole heart, Grandma,
Speaker 1: look at me. Now you know y'all know I magic.
Speaker 1: How cool he is. I remember one day calling his
Speaker 1: assistant on Christmas Day, like probably like five years ago,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's magic around on Christmas Day
Speaker 1: because it was like a game they always put on
Speaker 1: Christmas Day. I want him to speak to my grandmother.
Speaker 1: Do you know what? We gotta talk to my grandmother
Speaker 1: for five minutes? Do you know she could just she
Speaker 1: could have died and went to heaven at that moment,
Speaker 1: the look at her eyes, she was so happy. I've
Speaker 1: never seen this woman flinch, be nervous. She's so like
Speaker 1: well put together. She was so nervous, so happy. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm outset. That was it. That's how I
Speaker 1: ever did. So that was one I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: if this was a great interview, But do you guys
Speaker 1: remember when Chad Johnson came out first take, right after
Speaker 1: he got kicked out a league for allegedly not touching
Speaker 1: his his his his then wife or ex wife do
Speaker 1: you remember that. I don't remember the detail um that was.
Speaker 1: That was one of the most memorable moments because they
Speaker 1: came at his head and when I tell you, it
Speaker 1: was like a Spanish inquisition. I felt I felt so
Speaker 1: bad for him, and then they were like, okay you
Speaker 1: could and then to be a part of that, to
Speaker 1: ask all these questions and see him how he I mean,
Speaker 1: you could cut the tension with a knife. It was
Speaker 1: like you can't turn away from it because he wasn't talking,
Speaker 1: but they were. It was just it was crazy. Chad
Speaker 1: just was not backing down. I was produd of him,
Speaker 1: but it was the most It was one of those
Speaker 1: moments that like remember those are like there were so
Speaker 1: many of these different moments where you have and you
Speaker 1: sitting and you're watching these people. Are like when t
Speaker 1: O came on there, he looked like he wants to
Speaker 1: fight Skip. Like those moments you can't you can't relive
Speaker 1: those moments, like to be there when they're getting ready
Speaker 1: to go at each other and commercial break, you're just
Speaker 1: like ship who can like somebody about to get beat it.
Speaker 1: I literally felt Tia was about to jump across the
Speaker 1: table and beat Skip's asked like it was that uncomfortable
Speaker 1: because up until that moment, TiO hadn't talked to anybody,
Speaker 1: and skip me to talk so bad about him, remember
Speaker 1: when he's a cowboy. He was talking so bad about him,
Speaker 1: and you could, and you know t O was an
Speaker 1: emotional guy anyway, you could just feel like he was
Speaker 1: about to jump out of the screen and beat hisself.
Speaker 1: There was one of those moments. We can curse, we
Speaker 1: can say whatever. Last question, Yes, if you can have
Speaker 1: a sentence or a billboard to share with the world,
Speaker 1: what would your message be? So deep? But nobody need
Speaker 1: damn what M share with the world. Don't get too high.
Speaker 1: Don't get too low. That's simple. Don't get too high.
Speaker 1: I don't get too low. That's the only reason why
Speaker 1: I think I'm successful. I don't believe all the hype,
Speaker 1: and I don't believe all the hate right in the mail.
Speaker 1: Even I like that. I don't believe the height, and
Speaker 1: I don't believe all because I've never said extreme. It's
Speaker 1: never that extreme. We appreciate you, appreciate you. Thanked, he smoked.
Speaker 1: I'll go run and get it right now. That's a rap.
Speaker 1: Episode twelve with the Lovely Carrie Champion herself, my brother
Speaker 1: Jack another great show. You can catch us on Showtime
Speaker 1: Basketball YouTube channel or any platform streaming podcast at all
Speaker 1: of them. The old US is, we've been building, building, building.
Speaker 1: When the opportunity do come my way, that's when the
Speaker 1: magic happens. Going under the Endeling Household was crazy, impression, anxiety.
Speaker 1: Those are things I had I hatter before. I've just
Speaker 1: gotten more now. Legalizing sports gambling might just well legalized
Speaker 1: cocaine and crystal mouth. So many people wanted sunny dead.
Speaker 1: Question is who got through the first? This is the
Speaker 1: all word point. It's the parted. Do we help people
Speaker 1: understand football? Just spoke, go fight Yeah, spole h