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Speaker 1: All the Smoke. We begin tremendous love and support responses.

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Speaker 1: Me and Jack couldn't be happier. Man, We appreciate you, guys. Man.

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Speaker 1: Before the new Year, we got a chance to chop

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Speaker 1: it up with Carrie Champion, the Queen of Smoke, the

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Episode twelve, All the Smoke, My brother, my god,

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Speaker 1: amazing Carrie Champion, thank you for yours, your our first

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Speaker 1: I mean, we just love what you've been doing, you

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Speaker 1: hard on yourself. But you can't thank you to ship

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00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,399
Speaker 1: ship ship. So I was just right here and it

427
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 1: was easy. Yeah, sh I was so we just I mean,

428
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,160
Speaker 1: we had a good time. And when I came here,

429
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,879
Speaker 1: I had all these other opportunities. Um. I got to

430
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,120
Speaker 1: work with a lot of people that were nice. Um

431
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,560
Speaker 1: and then you know you, you just you. I'm from here,

432
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,879
Speaker 1: so you have to you have to understand like I

433
00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,760
Speaker 1: measured it. I don't. I'm not out here like you

434
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,280
Speaker 1: know we Brad hit and Angelina Jolie, like people are famous,

435
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,120
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't trip off that. I'm like, okay,

436
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 1: because when you grow up here, like you go out

437
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,680
Speaker 1: of your way to act like you don't see famous people.

438
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,679
Speaker 1: Like is this like all right, right, You're like I

439
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,879
Speaker 1: got cool whatever, That's fine, that's something magic whatever. I'm tripping,

440
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,920
Speaker 1: although I did trip when I first met magic. But yeah,

441
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,800
Speaker 1: some of your favorite moments in sports? What makes you

442
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,440
Speaker 1: for a reward? We know you talk to a lot

443
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 1: of people, You've done a lot of a lot of

444
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,360
Speaker 1: work in the space. What makes you feel rewarded out

445
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,200
Speaker 1: of all the work have you done. I like good stories.

446
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 1: I like just telling really good stories. I like to

447
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 1: see people win, not just physically win, but win in general.

448
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:18,639
Speaker 1: So like um, there's so many Okay, so a personal story,

449
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 1: Like everyone asked how much you love sports? So growing

450
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 1: up here as always a Laker fan, right as all

451
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: the dems you, how good you look, and how we

452
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 1: praise you us know what makes you feel rewarded? Besides

453
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 1: that I get no DM everybody pay all those guys

454
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 1: on your page praise you carry I'll read it all day.

455
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: I read it all day, guys cut read it all day.

456
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: What but what makes you feel good when I when

457
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: I can do a story about somebody who we had

458
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 1: a kid, and what I think is really important? Now

459
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm knowing that a lot of black men are dealing

460
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 1: with a lot of personal issues, right and in sports,

461
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: you guys don't talk about it. But it's becoming more

462
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: and more common that black men are talking about how

463
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: they're dealing with depression or how they are struggling, and

464
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: how it's really hard to live a life that so

465
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: many different people want them to live. Like, I don't

466
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: even think people understand the pressure that it takes. I

467
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: think you can catch a football. You got all this money,

468
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 1: You should be happy you could. You could dribble a ball,

469
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: put it through back. Oh, you should be happy, but

470
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: they don't understand how they grew up or what they're

471
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: dealing with the other side, and people constantly asking for something, money, people, whatever.

472
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 1: Y'all know better than anybody. So for me, I've always

473
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: felt bad for the athletes, like I've have had an empathy,

474
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 1: and now that I can see and be able to

475
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 1: help and witness that a lot of these these young boys,

476
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: even grown men, are coming out saying I need help,

477
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm struggling and life is hard. I'm not as tough

478
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: as I'm trying to make y'all feel like. I don't

479
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: care how much money I got on the change I got,

480
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: how many broads I cry, I cry, she's hard, like

481
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm having a mental breakdown today is tough. Um. And

482
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: we were able to do a story one athlete and

483
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: the fact that he said he was getting help and

484
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 1: starting to get help and feeling a little more, a

485
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: little more easy, not thinking about taking his life. Those

486
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: kind of messages that I get are rewarding, like that,

487
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: that's what we're here to do. We're here to help

488
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: and tell really great stories. Like of course there's a

489
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 1: fun stuff, but to me that's huge because in our community,

490
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, well, you're supposed to be taught be strong,

491
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: be strong, be strong, that's what you just like this,

492
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: to be strong. But it's okay to say I'm not strong.

493
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 1: It's okay to say I heard like my mind's not right.

494
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: Like they've been teaching. They've been teaching us to be

495
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 1: strong and be able to take so much, but they

496
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: don't teach being real with yourself enough, you know what

497
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's when you start to turn the

498
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: corner when you're being real with yourself. Yeah, you can

499
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 1: be tough as hell, but you gotta be real with

500
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: yourself when you're dealing with life and everything you're going through.

501
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Don't live with don't live

502
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: by facade, be real with yourself, and to make it

503
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: for everybody to be real. It's hard because you don't

504
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: want people to like men are, in general, in my opinion, hard.

505
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: They don't. They're not expressive. It's very few men like

506
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: to talk about their feelings. You want to go in

507
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: the cave and figure it out. So then you want

508
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: me to turn around and tell you that I feel

509
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: weak and I haven't figured it out, and I'm vulnerable

510
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: and all these emotions that you're just not familiar with

511
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: that make you feel like somebody could take advantage of

512
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: you in a world where people do nothing but take

513
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,239
Speaker 1: advantage of you. Everybody's asking you for money. Everybody need

514
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: a new house, new car, knew this, knew that. You

515
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: don't know if she really likes you for you? Right,

516
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: you got and you and sometimes you indulge in all

517
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: of that, but it's all a facade because you go

518
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: home and you're tired, and you're weak, and you drained,

519
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: you mentally and physically drained. And now that I'm starting

520
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: to see so many of these guys talk about it

521
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: um in a much more you know, eloquent way, without

522
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: feeling like someone's gonna make fun of them or they

523
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: won't have the same respect in the locker room. To me,

524
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: is rewarding because that's the turn. That's the term where

525
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: you're seeing as we haven't seen that. That's the turn,

526
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. I love it. What's the most positive

527
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: and negative aspects of or the effective had on your

528
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: positive and negative through social media? The positive of social

529
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: media and the negative of social media? Life and career,

530
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, working for who you work for,

531
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: you really have the money to yourself. Oh my god. Yeah,

532
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: that's that's the negative. Like some days I want to

533
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: be on there like so like I'll follow you guys

534
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: stack too. He'll be like cursing, like that's what I

535
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: wanted to say, or like you know what I mean.

536
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: That's just the freedom. When I see people tweet free,

537
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm like freedom, Like I want to say what they're saying,

538
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: or when things are happening, I'm like that that would

539
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: be my tweet, Yeah it or whatever. I like it.

540
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: But I think the negative is that I'm not allowed to,

541
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: which is a good and the bad. I'm not allowed to.

542
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I police myself on what I say

543
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: because a hundred forty characters like you can't really get

544
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: out or even more than that, you can't really have

545
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: a nuanced opinion, and everybody thinks their opinion matters, so

546
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't really delve into Twitter. I think social media

547
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: UM has made everybody feel like they're missing out on

548
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: something or they or that person's life is better or

549
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: they want that, or how come they don't have that?

550
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Or why is she winning or he winning and I'm

551
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: not winning. Those are the things that I think will

552
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: ultimately UM take its toll on you. Sometimes I just

553
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: got to tap out, like I just I can't even

554
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: be on it. Um. I think the beauty of it though,

555
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: is that if you have something special to share you are,

556
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: you want people to know who you really are, you

557
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: can do that Like I feel like sometimes you guys

558
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: post and I'm like, oh, I could tell that's who

559
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: Mad is, or I can tell that's who Stack is,

560
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: or you can really show a side of you that

561
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: people may not be able to get by just listening

562
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: to you on the podcast or see you for two

563
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: minutes on Sports Center and um. And so I use

564
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: that to my platform, like I sell. I sell certain

565
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: things that I want people to know that you know.

566
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: But I'm very look, I'm very private, like social media

567
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: is for my benefit and that's what I've chosen to

568
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: be that way, because I'm goody be like, oh you

569
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: ain't got no miss Y, ain't got no man, that's

570
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: why you're gonna have you know. But that's a that's

571
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: because you know sometimes words that that when people here

572
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: st come about your mom, they can't twist that, but

573
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: you can type up on Instagram and they automatically going twisted.

574
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: So it's good you don't do that. It's good and

575
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: I think that I mean, I think you touched on

576
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 1: it perfectly for Jack and myself, as you know, we

577
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: were labeled this one way our whole career for different reasons, uh,

578
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: and we just took advantage of being that and it

579
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: got us fourteen year NBA careers and championships and money.

580
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: But I think the platform of Instagram in particular is

581
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: just you know, so on the other side, you know,

582
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: the father, the charitable side of the coach, who I

583
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: really am speaking freely without be worried about being fined

584
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: by the NBA, like you said, with your esp and stuff.

585
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: So it's to really be you. And you know, when

586
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: people are real enough to show you who they are,

587
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think people do appreciate that because, like

588
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: you said, they get a snapshot of you and they

589
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: form an opinion of who they think you are. And

590
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: it could be the furst thing from the truth sometimes. Yeah,

591
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: and they need to listen, Like I think people follow you,

592
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna pay attention, like wait, wait, hold on, I

593
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: see another side. I remember. Can I tell a story

594
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: when I met you both separate instances. I met you

595
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: when I was working on first take and we're on

596
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: the road in San Antonio and you were a guest

597
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: on the show, and and you were I think maybe

598
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: that I think yeah, And you were like Papa's trip,

599
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: like you kept it was like I should be on

600
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: the team or whatever. You were really nice. I thought,

601
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't call you nice. You were very professional,

602
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: and you were very much about your business. And I

603
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: thought to myself, like, because we did another interview with

604
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: you after words and you were talking about it, I

605
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: guess you had an album come out, yeah, and we

606
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: were talking to you about that, and I just thought, Okay,

607
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: he's got layers. I don't think everybody knows like you

608
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: were very very like. I didn't. I didn't say the

609
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: town you were from, right. You made sure you like

610
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: pulled off or you got it wrong, like he was

611
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: like he was all right. Then I thought to myself,

612
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I was like, that's nice, and you were just very professional.

613
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get like, I didn't get DM

614
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: stag Liss. I was just like I appreciate him, like

615
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: I appreciated that because I felt like that was like

616
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: a mutual respect. I met Matt. You you're on my podcast,

617
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: my my podcast to be honest, and it was right

618
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: after we tell we tell the story off to you, Um,

619
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: can I tell it? Okay? It was what he was

620
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: maybe dating Rihanna at the time, where you had just

621
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: got done dating. Okay, well yeah, that's what the whole

622
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: gist it was. And she was one of the people like,

623
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: let me, let me get this, let me get this.

624
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: So they were connected somehow, some way, I guess some teams.

625
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: He came up to you and asked you something something

626
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: like that, and we I had you in the podcast

627
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: and I asked you about it and you don't ask

628
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: my friend or whatever, and you were very I felt

629
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: at the time because somebody had I guess, you know,

630
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: said that on Rihanna's behalf that you didn't know each

631
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: other and you were talking about it. And this was

632
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: the first time I ever really believed to dude, because

633
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, liter Rihanna, everybody goes they are all these

634
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: dudes lines in the date or the date or they

635
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: like her whatever. But then you start telling the story.

636
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, he's telling the truth. Yeah,

637
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: because you could be lying, okay. So I was like, oh,

638
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I was like, that's unfortunate. But you were real chill

639
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: about it. And I was again another instance where I

640
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: was like, he's not at all what I thought. So

641
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that people have these moments,

642
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: like I try not to judge people unless I experience

643
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: that myself. Like I gotta experience you, I gotta sit

644
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: with you, I gotta talk with you. People can look

645
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: at me and say whatever they want, but I want

646
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: them to sit with me and experience me. Yeah, and

647
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I want to take you back

648
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: to two thousand and fourteen, kind of still dealing with

649
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: social media and with that the clown already laying tweeted

650
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: about you and what was what did you learn from that?

651
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: In kinda now that you are someone that's looked in

652
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: at a certain light and there's people that just are

653
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: crazy and disrespectful. Name is fun Boy. Yeah, I's not

654
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: new m. We were, Um, you know that was crazy

655
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: because I never ever, I've never really talked about that.

656
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: We were doing a show and um, you know how

657
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: you check your your social media during we always check

658
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: the doing commercial break and I was like, what it

659
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: was just like these series of tweets and I was

660
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: just I thought it was I don't know I don't

661
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: know what I thought it was. And then I um

662
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: when I went to a guy who were on social

663
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: media at the time, and I was like, I said,

664
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: is this real? And he was like, Yo, this dude

665
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: was crazy. And I was like, yeah, like this is

666
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: And here's the funny thing. I used to be a

667
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: big fan of Howard Stern. He used to be on

668
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: the show and I used to like listening to him

669
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: on Howard Stern and I just thought, I was like,

670
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: why does this white man think it's funny to make

671
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: jokes about slavery? Like I was like, how are we?

672
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: How are whatever? I was just like this is crazy,

673
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: this is and I'm like on a platform, I was like,

674
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: what do you if I didn't look the way, if

675
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: I was blind with this big funny like what what

676
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: joke would he make? Like you say something like that,

677
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get fired so quick. I wouldn't even have

678
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And um, I remember you guys that were

679
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna laugh at this story. I remember going to a

680
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: couple of folks like in the house and they kind

681
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: of just like just like like don't worry about it,

682
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: Like could nobody give a funk? They were just like, yeah,

683
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: shake it off, and it really it really hit me,

684
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: like I was like, yo, that's like no respect, Like damn,

685
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Like I worked this hard and I'm still getting disrespected.

686
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: Nobody has my back. Oh man. I was like, if

687
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: you gotta way to pros and cons, so I have

688
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: enough of the savings. And then I was like, I

689
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: remember your girl. We keep talking about her, Miss Hill.

690
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: She sent out this these series of tweets. You know

691
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: she's good at that, she'll drop them, bomb her words,

692
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: and so she just started, like, I mean literally lit

693
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: him up. I remember going home because I lived in

694
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: Bristol by myself, just turned off my TV, turned off

695
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: my phone. I just went to bed because I was tired.

696
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I was just like I was emotionally drained because I'm

697
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: just like, I'm just damned. This ship is so hard?

698
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Why is it so hard? And then I woke up

699
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: and I was trending. I was like, I didn't know

700
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: what the hell was happening. And apparently like it became

701
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: this thing like people had came at people out of

702
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: the woolwork just went at his head and he was

703
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: and then people started to pay attention. That's the power

704
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: of social media you're talking about. Then people started to say, Okay,

705
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: this fool is a clown, and then it started to

706
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: get talked about it, and then it was like think

707
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: pieces and it was on all these different shows and

708
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: they were like, he's banned from ESPN again, come on

709
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: here anymore. And he he apparently had a friend who

710
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: tried to reach out to me to tell me he

711
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: was sorry. I wasn't even listening. But at the point,

712
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: at that point, it had become so bad. Do you

713
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: remember the movie Twelve Years of Slave. Remember that movie

714
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: was out, and this is how cruel social media is.

715
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Do you remember that the campaign for it, it was

716
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: a slave something right, people happened my face. I don't

717
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: want to laugh. I don't want to laugh believe that.

718
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I was like, yo, how disrespectful is this?

719
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: Like a bunch of people were sending me that, like

720
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: defending him, like having his back, and I was like,

721
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: what world do we live in where that's okay? Like

722
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: none of this is okay. And then and I just

723
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: never talked about it because I was just so hurt.

724
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: I was really hurt because I was just like that, like,

725
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: as a woman who is respected also, I thought or this.

726
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sitting here doing my job, minding my business.

727
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I was like, why is that okay for this white

728
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: man to do that and still treat me this way

729
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: or treat us this way, or have this image of us.

730
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: None of that's funny. None of that's funny. And so

731
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: it just became this whole to do and everyone, you know,

732
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: we already know what happened to him. Yeah, well, speaking

733
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: kind of in this realm, and and with the treatment

734
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: that you guys get in the space, you know Gabby

735
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: is going through right now. We talked about alf Khama,

736
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: how proud of her you are and what she's doing.

737
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I just

738
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I just sent her a message. I said, well, she

739
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: obviously got let go from this show, right, she got

740
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: let go from America's got talent um. And and you

741
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: don't have to renew somebody's contract. We know that's the

742
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: nature of the business. No one's entitled, right, but you

743
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: would think if you do your job and you do

744
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: it well, rewarded and she did that, right, So how

745
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: do you like she We're watching all these people you know,

746
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: fail upward and she's succeeding downward, like how why is

747
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: she not being brought back? Right? So she's just frustrated.

748
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I remember just being like, I'm so frustrated. I don't

749
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: know what's going on. I'm so frustrated, which I understand.

750
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: And then she was like, what should I do? And

751
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I remember her just really thinking it through because you

752
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: have to realize, and she's talked about it later. No

753
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: matter what, especially with women of color, no matter what,

754
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: you could whisper, and your voice is still too loud

755
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: for a world that never intended to hear it. You

756
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: could whisper, you could just say, hey, can I talk

757
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: to you and use all my happy words. I'm uncomfortable

758
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: with this and it's still a problem. And so she

759
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: was tired, like her quote, not mine, I'm tired of

760
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: being a happy negro. I'm tired of just being here.

761
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: And the response to what she's dealing with, in terms

762
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: of how people have had her back, has been overwhelming

763
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: because normally you just gets you know, pushed to the side,

764
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: and its who knows, because she knows the end result

765
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: of her speaking up and saying what she said could

766
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: end up with her not having another type of job

767
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: like that again, right, it could and like, well was

768
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: your rich husband. But that's now, that's it's not the

769
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: point at the point, like if you know where she

770
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: want to work hard, she got her own mind. And

771
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: it's also the fact of the respect, like I've been

772
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: in for so long? Are we still doing this? Like

773
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: at the bottom line, like I've been nothing but professional,

774
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: handle myself accordingly, I show up on time, I go

775
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: above and beyond. I'm twice as good as everybody else.

776
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: Why why am I not getting the respect? When do what? Do?

777
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: What do I have to do? And so I was

778
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: really proud of her because for us, a group of

779
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: women have talked about it, it's happening in real life.

780
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: It's like three point oh, I've never seen anybody do

781
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: what she's doing and think at the support. Usually it

782
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: happens and then there's a pushback. They're mad at you,

783
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: you can't work no more, or no one's writing about it,

784
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: or no one's applauding you and saying good for you,

785
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: thank you for standing up. I appreciate that, and I

786
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: mean it's beautiful for us, it's beautiful, and it's big.

787
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: It's not following on deaf ears anymore, you know what

788
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean? I think for so long it fell on

789
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: deaf ears, like they don't want you to speak in

790
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: the first place. So, you know, but it's people are

791
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: you know. I just think we're power social media, you know.

792
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really the power of social media, you

793
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: know when you start. You know, because I spoke to

794
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: it too after it happened, she's you know, so it's like,

795
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I freely speak. I was like,

796
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: whatever you need me to post, let me know. I

797
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: got you. You know, I love that you want to

798
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: come on the show. And she's like, I definitely want

799
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: to come on the show. But it's just like you

800
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: get allies, and now we all have a voice that

801
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: not only certain people have a voice. So now we

802
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: can start attacking or at least fireback. Yeah, I want

803
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: and I want that freedom. What you need me to post,

804
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: That's where I'm going, That's what I'm moving, That's my

805
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: next level. You'll be there soon enough. On the brighter side, huge, huge,

806
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: huge U C l A and Laker fan, but particularly Lakers.

807
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that. I love a Lakers, d'all,

808
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: not just because like you, but not just because they're

809
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: like you guys have to okay, family I'm gonna give

810
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: you out the whole background. I don't get the breakdown.

811
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: Here's the break Okay. So my grandmother grew up in

812
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: the segregated South. Un know I was gonna bring my grandma.

813
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: She grew up in a segregated album. She she she

814
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: played basketball right to all black school in Magnolia, Arkansas,

815
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: And so when her mother moved to California, she left

816
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: secretary school and came here and became a Laker fan

817
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: right away. Now, my grandmother can't drive. This is a

818
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: funny story, still alive. Amazing lady. But she would want

819
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: to go to these Laker games, but no one wanted

820
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: to go with her or drive her. So she would

821
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: catch the bus to the farm where we go with her,

822
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: like eighties, and who would go with her. I don't

823
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: know what was going on, but it was me and

824
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: I'd be right there with her this sitting there on

825
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: her nose bleeds, yes, but I didn't really know what

826
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: was happening. But she's like explaining the game to me

827
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: and how much she loves the Lakers and this that

828
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: in the third and a c green and da dada

829
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: da da. She love him. He was so cute because

830
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: he had Jerry Curl like it was all these it

831
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: was all these stories. She loved Magic, like it was

832
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: all these stories worthy. Like I go down the list,

833
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: Cooper in his socks, and she would just be talking

834
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: about it. That's all she ever talked about when he

835
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: was a kid, when I when she watched us, that's

836
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: because she will always watch this because my mom was working,

837
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: so she would watch this. Oh ever talked about and

838
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: at one point she would take We used to have

839
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: these family photos that were framed up all around the house,

840
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: and whenever she got to meet one of them and

841
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: they signed it, Yeah, don't don't care what coming out.

842
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: That's Magic Johnson. That is a fact. And so our

843
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: pictures would come out one by one and it'd be

844
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: all the Lakers, no love right, literally black and white

845
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: photos of Magic, a c Greek who whoever she met,

846
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: like whoever she caught the bus to meet, Like literally

847
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: she would on the bus to meet anybody wherever they

848
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: were signing, because back then it was easy. You could

849
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: just they signed in here, show up at the warehouse

850
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: or whatever. So obviously I became a Laker fan, and

851
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: it was right, you know, when they were baling the

852
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Celtics and we would just sit and watch and she

853
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: was so into it, so I had to be into it.

854
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: So because that was it, like I was. I was

855
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: literally at her knee all the time. That's all I

856
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: ever knew. And so it went all the way back

857
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: to there. And then of course my fandom is just

858
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: even more crazy, so Kobe Shack amplified. And then when

859
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: they when Kobe and Shack were battling, it was like

860
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: the city was divided. You remember, it was like he

861
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: was shacky with Kobe before it was like it was

862
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: crazy because you was just like who you know at

863
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: the beginning I was with Shack. Of course, everybody was

864
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: a shock initially, Initially everybody was a shock because everyone, yeah, hello,

865
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, hold on, let's not rush

866
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: to judgment. I can understand you wanting a trade. You

867
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: remember he was all bad, right, And then then this

868
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: is my um, the whole thing is like flak. Your

869
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: fans are ridiculous because we're like, we're spoiled and we've

870
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: always been in a conversation and someone we don't want.

871
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: I even have to admit this. I used to talk

872
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: so bad about Lebron, like so bad, like I'd be like,

873
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: he ain't got it. I know, I'm mad. I told myself.

874
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Lebron and I had had this conversation. I was like

875
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: I should I was wrong. I'm sorry. I was like

876
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I did not like you. I was like, welcome, let

877
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: me welcome to the family. I mean, but he was

878
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: just like he was like all Laker fans hated me

879
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: because of Kobe. And you know why, because as Lebron

880
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: started to as sin, we felt like people didn't give

881
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Kobe his his chest do. We felt like it went

882
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: from Michael Jordan Lebron, You're like, wait a minute, Kobe,

883
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: and still they still do right, and so we take it.

884
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: We took its own personal, so personal, like you be

885
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: ready to fight. And I thought to myself, I said, okay,

886
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: I understand why now I think, look, I mean, look

887
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: if somebody put some true sermon, Kobe, he said the

888
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: same thing, like why you don't don't skip over me

889
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: like at all. But the reality is is that when

890
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: you're just such a fan, that's how it was, and

891
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: so you just want to win, like I I just

892
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: it kills me because you know, our fans are self

893
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: and out of them. Then when not something the one

894
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: time I faked the bone, people wanted to really like

895
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I was getting death threat like you know what I mean.

896
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: In the I didn't like you. The Latino population was

897
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: on my head, like you know, Dodgers and Lakers. They'll

898
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: kill for Kobe and they'll kill for the fucking Dodgers.

899
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: So it was really like that summer like ship was crazy.

900
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: But it ended fast because that's the summer Kobe had

901
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: called me like, Yo, come anyone, Carrey. You know the

902
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: fun when we come play with me. So then I

903
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: came to the Lakers, and then all the Mexican people

904
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: because they thought I was Mexican slate, thought, man, we

905
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta Mexican homie on the Lakers now. And

906
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: I would do my signings and they were and I

907
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: finally had tells like I'm not I'm black in the

908
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Italian you know, but they still But it was crazy

909
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: because I tell that story when you said, they would

910
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we have to take out one of

911
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: our own. Yeah, they know, they for real, they thought

912
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: they were gonna have to take out you know, they

913
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: have to take out one of them, and you know,

914
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: someone in their own blood, like they wanted. They were

915
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: wanted off with my head, you know what I mean.

916
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: And then I ended up becoming a Laker right after that.

917
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: But you make yellow pageo jokes, but they really thought

918
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: I was Mexican. They was on they were at my

919
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: like you the summer and I was reading. I was

920
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: reading these tweets and like a Mexican like and say

921
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: voice like we'll kill you homes and we see you

922
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: tell you ship, I'm like a ship. But been right

923
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: after that and then like and I talked to her

924
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: about sing No, we didn't with you at all. It

925
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: was crazy, It was rude. How do you separate your

926
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: fandom in your professional career? I absolutely do not. You

927
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: ever catch bo TV, I absolutely do not. And the

928
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: reason why I don't, I will tell you this. I

929
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: think that everybody who ever who works in this in

930
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: this arena in any capacity, especially if they haven't played.

931
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: But if you were, you have your teams like you

932
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: love your teams like you know, you know Steven A.

933
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: Les Nicks, you'll talk about how our his Steelers, or

934
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, my my co host David Lloyd loves the Cowboys,

935
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: like everyone talks about their team that they love and

936
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: it's okay. So no, I don't separate it. I I

937
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: don't separate it one little bit. I love it well.

938
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: I like because, like I said, you've always spoken freely,

939
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: and Dwight's first go around with the Lakers, you let

940
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: him know how you feel, then he let you know

941
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: how he feels. Yeah, it was uncompany tell that though,

942
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: because people might I know, and then you guys sat

943
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: down and squashed the beef somewhat. Um, I don't think

944
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: it's yeah. I mean, I'm not mad at him, but

945
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: what I thought, what Dwight did I'm always ahead of

946
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: occurred because I said, I was like, we don't want him.

947
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't like all these key detwelve bill remember the billboards,

948
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: and why so many men out they're killing you? Why

949
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: you choose a woman to go And that's kind of weak,

950
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of wenna. I'm not gonna lie to you though.

951
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: If some women you wouldn't slick to me, you would

952
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: have came remember went back at her. What did I say?

953
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: Tell me what I remember what you said? But it

954
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: was crazy At the time. I was like, Yo, he

955
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: came on, he came on, he came on sports station

956
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: when I was hosting it, and um, he said something

957
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: to me first. Really, yeah, he set the story right. Yeah.

958
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: He said something to me first, saying a woman was slick.

959
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes he gets talked back to what I'm saying. Oh god,

960
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: you see the world I live in working with man,

961
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: do y'all see? But I'm not afraid, I'm furious. I

962
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: don't care. So he said something like he's like but

963
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: not like some people who don't like me. No more,

964
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: he said something like to that effect, like knowing that

965
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. No, I remembering that I didn't

966
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: like him. I said, are you firying to me? And

967
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, no, I didn't. And I said,

968
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I was like fans or no.

969
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: He said, Laker fans treated him really bad when he

970
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: was leaving, and he didn't like it. He was like

971
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: like some people. And he looked at me, and I

972
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: was like, right, because you like it just happens. But

973
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: I get he wanted. He thought it was gonna be

974
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: funny because you know, he's a silly guy. But I

975
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: was ready for it because I I said, again, I

976
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: take everything so personal about my Lakers, and I was

977
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: like I was with the ships. I was like, this

978
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: is why we didn't like you. We felt like you

979
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: let the team down. We felt like the last few

980
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: games you were playing, you know, halfheartedly, like you didn't

981
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: want to be there. Then why even play at all?

982
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Why evencome? Why go through the motions? I just felt

983
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: like you quit on your team, and no athletes should

984
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: ever quit on the team. Like I just felt like,

985
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: you get paid to do a job. Do your damn job.

986
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't care if you don't like what's going on.

987
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: Leave all your emotions out there, like no one has

988
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: time for that, show up and play. And he was like, no, well,

989
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: let me tell you what really happened. I wasn't mad

990
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: at anybody, Mitch cup Check and he was talking about

991
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: the whope, like how he got ejected and he just

992
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: explained it and we just I was, but I was

993
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: with it because I was I have been waiting, I

994
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: have been waiting. I was like, okay, go ahead, sir,

995
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: because I wasn't. I understood that he felt some type

996
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: of way. And then him and Kobe had beef, you know,

997
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: so I was just taking up for Kobe. Kobe needed

998
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: me to take up him because he could, and I

999
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: got it, like kidding, he didn't do that, but it

1000
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: was I'm mad at Dwight. I think Dwight actually is

1001
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: really misunderstood now that I see a lot of them,

1002
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: like I think that. I think knowing him off camera,

1003
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: I think that maturity plays a huge or lack thereof

1004
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: plays a huge role in how he handles himself. He's

1005
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: a big guy, so everybody expecting the biggest, big mein guy.

1006
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: But he told obviously he loves life. He being happy guy,

1007
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: lucky dude. He's a nice guy. He should be a

1008
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: little mean in my book. But yeah, I agree with that,

1009
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: you too, Yeah right though? Yeah, but no, he's a

1010
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: He's a sign this go around. Now he's playing, I

1011
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: think he's the ex factor. Oh no, yeah for sure.

1012
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: And I said it. But when they signed him because

1013
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: we don't want dwighte we remember the first time I'm

1014
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: to myself like this dude knows is his last chance? Yeah,

1015
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: up here, you're done. I was trying to play with

1016
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: my whole career team. I played with him in Orlando

1017
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: when he was the ship people don't really like. Oh

1018
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: nine ish Superman led the league and led the league

1019
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: in All Star votes over Kobe, over Lebron, over Katie.

1020
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: He was two time defensive player. Dwhite was incredible, and

1021
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: then he came to him, no question, he came to

1022
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: the Lakers. They had that back injury, and I think

1023
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: he tried to rush back from that and people don't

1024
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: take it. Like people we talked about this on one

1025
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: of the very first episodes. People don't give it. If

1026
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: you're on that court, they don't give an what's behind you,

1027
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: and like you gotta play and coming back from a

1028
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: back injury. I saw he went from being superman to

1029
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: barely be able to jump. And I'm just like, damn,

1030
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: and you just happen to do that on the Lakers.

1031
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: He can't do that on the Laker stage. He was like,

1032
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: I had a back injury. Nobody knew I was playing injured,

1033
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: and they don't care. Real fans don't give That's how

1034
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: it is, right, everybody's injured, right, welcome, everybody's injured. So anyway,

1035
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: whatever we got, we got, we got over it. But

1036
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: did I was like, you ain't lying. If you had

1037
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: came on the show that I was hosting after you

1038
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: did that to Kobe, we would have fought, like I

1039
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: probably would have agreed that, but put him fasciline on

1040
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: my face. I would have been like, where are you at?

1041
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: Where you at? I would have been like, you would

1042
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: have been like, if she serious, how dare you attack

1043
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Kobe like that? I would do that for you all though,

1044
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Like if you were like, like, if somebody's talking bad

1045
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: about you'all, y'all even now, I would do that the

1046
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: guy that said that about you and tell him were

1047
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: having a Christmas part of Christmas tree and beat the Yeah,

1048
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it Lebron and a D combo.

1049
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean I love it. Um, I got to winning

1050
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: the championship. You do, Yeah, yeah, I got A D

1051
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: has been tim dunking on steroids, And of course I

1052
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: think the Bron is the best player in the world.

1053
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: But if Katie not playing, But you don't think the Clippers.

1054
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: I just think the dynamic of the Lebron been able

1055
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: to do everything and having a play with the caliber

1056
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: playoff a D and what he can do on both

1057
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: sides of the floor, and how he can get forty

1058
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: a night on anybody. Lebron has never had that. He's

1059
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: won championships with less, so to have that, I don't

1060
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's stopping him. So when Lebron was

1061
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: on I have to ask you this because this is

1062
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, Like, I get the Clippers make me nervous,

1063
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: and you on our show, so don't start asking questions

1064
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: like no, I'm nervous, like I love the Lagers. I

1065
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: agree with what you said, and I would like to

1066
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: see him, But I think the Clippers have to upper hid.

1067
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have they have the upperhand

1068
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: in the sense of like defense, like I just get nervous,

1069
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: like I'm like, and then I don't well, And of

1070
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: course I don't thinka is one hunter, but that doesn't

1071
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: really matter at this moment because they're doing his low

1072
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: management and I'm thinking, Okay, so Lebron used to be

1073
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: low low managed, or so does A d like as

1074
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: a fan, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, y'all don't know, Okay,

1075
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: December chill. The best thing for the Legers and the

1076
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: worst thing happened for the Clippers. They beat the Lakers early.

1077
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: The best thing for Lebron was he took that and

1078
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: he got a lot of flat when he didn't beat

1079
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: the when he didn't play as hard as Kauai did

1080
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: that first game, like I took the challenge. He guarded

1081
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: him all that Lebron I didn't do that. So the

1082
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: next day he was getting killed in the media. It

1083
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: was since then he'd been on the triple. He heard

1084
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: heard he was another game. He was on his head.

1085
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: That was that was bad for the league because now

1086
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna destroy everybody. And I was I was someone

1087
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: saying he was just feeling out his surroundings. That started

1088
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: effort to say, Okay, let me see what we got

1089
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: with a D. And it took a little bit for

1090
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: a D to get his feet wet. But they're rolling down,

1091
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that they had a hell

1092
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: of that. The Clippers make me nervous. I don't I Look,

1093
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say all day the Lakers are gonna be

1094
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: in the finals, but I really want them to manage them.

1095
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they don't have Lebron's like, I

1096
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: don't believe in little management. I'm like, you don't have

1097
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: to play every game, dog, Like, yeah, save it, save it.

1098
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: This is this, it's too early for all this, Like

1099
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: I get it, but chill out. I can look. I

1100
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think that the way that

1101
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: they're handling Kauai makes me a little nervous like I'm thinking, Okay,

1102
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: maybe he's not one hundred, but it's smart, like they

1103
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: don't need to win every game. They're looking at this

1104
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: whole marathon. It's not this little little sprint right here.

1105
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: They got the whole marathon. And then it's really gonna

1106
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: come down to coaching, Like is Vogel coaching or is it? Okay, Okay,

1107
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You can't get Voge his respecting boys, number

1108
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: one record in the NBA. Yeah, because they got um

1109
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: one coach of the Year over the line of hollers

1110
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and they got J Kid right there. That's why you

1111
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: think Jed, I just feel like LaMnO and out there

1112
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: like we got But I just know what. I just

1113
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: know what guys like J Kid been, having him on

1114
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: the bench and having line of hones both players both

1115
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: have been had a success in coach. I know what

1116
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: that do. When you have a player on the sideline,

1117
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: that's different. That's definitely if you had Kobe Kobe on

1118
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: the sideline and Vogel, who your player going to talk

1119
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: to during the time out? Damn, so're not gonna be Vocus.

1120
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you having J Kid on the sideline,

1121
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you up fighting that at all. So you

1122
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: think kind of like us that the conference finals will

1123
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: be Lakers Clippers. Yeah, for sure, I definitely think that.

1124
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: I feel like in the East Bucks, but I don't know,

1125
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: I feel like they have you know, Perkis was on

1126
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: the show the other day and he said something I

1127
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: thought that we don't pay attention to. They kind of

1128
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: have a three. They kind of have a big three

1129
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: with Chris and Bledsoe like in you honest, I feel

1130
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily know if they but I mean

1131
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: to me, that's all I see. Celtics look good like,

1132
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not believing. I think the Celtic sort of

1133
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: piece away. I like feely feely can figure out what

1134
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: they have. I think losing Jimmy Beller was big, huge,

1135
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: but we'll see, you know what I mean, I still like,

1136
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, embed I don't know, and be got called

1137
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: out by Ship Yeah, so he got motivated, but I

1138
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just felt it too mature.

1139
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they're there yet maturing. Well. Miami's one

1140
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: piece of way to what they trade? Who do they

1141
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: give away? Who do they have to give away? Do

1142
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: you bring in? What kind of player. Yeah, Miami's good,

1143
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: patro it makes them happen. Okay, Yeah, So I don't know.

1144
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: I think it'll come down to coaching. I think at

1145
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I think, no one

1146
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: saying anything about Frank Bogo because there's a winning So

1147
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: if they start losing, he'll probably give Morebody said, what

1148
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: happens when they hit it two or three games Slater

1149
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: we start talking about then we'll say, Okay, he doesn't

1150
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. But I like everybody said, everybody everyone,

1151
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: No one's giving him any respect at all. No one's

1152
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: giving Vogal any respect. But what about the Pacers team?

1153
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: They didn't he coach them when they were at their best,

1154
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: when it was Joe to see in them. Remember they

1155
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: win anything? No, but they were always in the conference

1156
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: finals like a lot of teams compete. But he was

1157
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: doing well with that team. Like, wasn't that he ant

1158
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Boy or Roy Hibbert? Like what I mean, what happened

1159
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: to these guys? Like in my mind, I'm like where

1160
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: hibberw was the ship? He didn't play anywhere you go,

1161
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: right right? He was a liking for like five minutes

1162
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: they needed. That's all they needed to where's Roy I

1163
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: don't know where. Who are some of your your favorite

1164
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: young players in the NBA right now? I like Donovan

1165
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: mitchell Um, I like I like John Moran Actually don't know,

1166
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: but he's actually I like his swag, like he plays

1167
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: like he believes. It took Tho so long. I'm talking

1168
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Alonzo because I was such a die hard you say,

1169
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: a Laker fan. It took him so long to believe,

1170
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, how do you how do you

1171
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: come out believe it? In others don't Like Zoe didn't

1172
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: have that and I didn'tyone say it might be his

1173
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: dad whatever. I don't know about all that, but I

1174
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: just like it. It's a lot of these intangibles in

1175
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: terms of how they are off the court, like how

1176
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: they handle themselves, how they how they believe, how they

1177
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: come at these these vests, like I don't care, like

1178
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: different walks, like you know what you know what means?

1179
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: That don't mean to other kids, it means something to him. Yeah,

1180
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I like him. I like, I'm looking. I don't know

1181
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: what's going on with I on I'm waiting to see

1182
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: what he'll be like. That's to me is that that's

1183
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: the big question Mark Wese kids split out of the

1184
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: shoes and everybody waiting to see him play, and his

1185
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: knees hurt, and is he too big? He does he

1186
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: need to lose weight? You can't tell so many questions.

1187
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: I think he needs to come down to to sixty five?

1188
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: Is to eighty five is big, especially for the rigors

1189
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: in in the length of the NBA season and the

1190
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: travel schedule, in the practice. I think we'll see the

1191
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: best Zion it to sixty five. But it'll be interesting

1192
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: once he kind of gets in the rhythm and starts

1193
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: going I like your young to bad team. Yeah, I

1194
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: like game. Yeah, there's a handful. It's you know, we

1195
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: spoke you know, to d Way a while back, and

1196
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: and and and you know, once Lebron leaves, like, I

1197
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: think the NBA is going to be in great hands.

1198
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: You know, what can you do? Yeah? Who's the next Lebron?

1199
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if there don't will never be another Bron.

1200
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: But who's the next big star? Katie Janice Luca. Hey,

1201
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Katie, I was saying before he

1202
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: got hurt, breaking records and ship Yeah, I think so, okay,

1203
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: I think so it's me sacking to see. I don't know,

1204
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: we'll see Superstars And you know the next year we

1205
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: had the Warrior's back in Rath for him. So I

1206
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, we'll see I don't know. Okay,

1207
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: So I have a question. Yeah you go, I had

1208
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: a question. You know I'm gonna ask a question. So

1209
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: why do people think? And I asked you this already?

1210
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: So when people think about you, when they say they

1211
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: see you like, I just don't go. You know what

1212
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean? You say, whatever come to mine? Do people

1213
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: see what I think? I see the sensitivity of who

1214
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: you are, like the nice guy? Do you show that

1215
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: to everybody? You're kind? I think I do. She's about

1216
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: to make against cry right now, I think I do.

1217
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean I tried to. I try to beat me.

1218
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: I want my emotions on my sleeve. So but how

1219
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: you express them as different express them is very different.

1220
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody don't follow me. So they followed my Instagram,

1221
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: they see a totally different side of me. You know,

1222
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: I listened to gospel every Sunday on my life, you

1223
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So people might not know that

1224
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: they don't follow me. Um, I'm a very emotional guy.

1225
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: Very emotional, but you would you have to be around

1226
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: me to know that. At work, one time, I think

1227
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: it was Valentine's Day, he brought all the girls a

1228
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: single rose, rainbow roses. Well, no, he was, No, it

1229
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: was you know what if trying to hype that devil. Yes,

1230
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of it was a little bit was

1231
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: the player in me. But it was, you know, it

1232
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: was Valentine's Day. I was going to work. And one

1233
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: thing about working at the time, all the women they're

1234
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: treating me. Well, you know, I spoke to everybody and

1235
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: that's just the country boy and me and being raised

1236
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: by a beautiful woman, my mom, I've always had respect.

1237
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: So working there, you don't see that a lot. You

1238
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: don't see people doing stuff like that and respecting women

1239
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: and saying how how you doing. So I made it

1240
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: a point to do that on Valentine's Day and they

1241
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: loved it. No, not only did they love it. First

1242
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: of all, he don't know this before Before he even

1243
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: gave out the roses, the rainbow colored roses, which I

1244
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: thought was so sweet, he walked up to every single

1245
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: girl and gave it to I was like, what kind

1246
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: of sweet little menister? Don't society, society, A little set

1247
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: you still, I like my mouth was open. He was

1248
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: just really sweet. And he's shy too, like he's there's

1249
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: a shy element to you that people, it sounds crazy.

1250
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: Everything I'm saying sounds crazy somebody who don't know you. Right. So, then,

1251
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: but before he gave out the roses, I gotta put

1252
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: all the girls would be like, he's so cute. He's

1253
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: so cute. They like because jealous. You think I'm starting

1254
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: to look good because I've been using this product, you know,

1255
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: don't you don't think I've been I've been had a

1256
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: little glow on me. Man, I've been had a little glow.

1257
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: And they pretty boy at miss but they really they

1258
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: really see it now Anyway, the girls loved him maybe

1259
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: like what what's the situation? I'm like, I don't know

1260
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: my business like, but all the girls loved him, like

1261
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: make up somehow he was really nice all girls because

1262
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: they all loved him makeup. He simply in the make

1263
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: a room talk to the girls and asked them about

1264
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: their day. How they doing this? Because once he opens up,

1265
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: motherfucker talking face on talk your whole goddamn face all

1266
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: the way off the ground. You ain't like oh. I

1267
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: was telling him about this recipe I made the other day.

1268
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will with you. Being such a big

1269
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, got me blushing. I love you. You blush

1270
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: like legit blush. If he wasn't so dark, I said,

1271
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: your cheeks are a little red. I can't really see them,

1272
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: but I can imagine dark tents like Mahogany dark tent.

1273
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: It's like a little bit of red. Your hands probably

1274
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: fall color. You know, are your hands sweat right now?

1275
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Before before they was drinking that it was barred coming

1276
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: to little baby job back and the things. That's what

1277
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: your hands? You got jack over your blushing and ship.

1278
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: Would you be in such a prominent voice in the

1279
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: sports world. What is your thoughts on the U n

1280
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: b A and the progress and the growth they're trying

1281
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: to make in the equal pace stuff. I feel like

1282
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: the w BA is kind of suffering from what I

1283
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: was telling you about earlier about women who feel like

1284
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: they can't talk. Are the right, They'll never work again.

1285
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very I feel like most of

1286
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: the women I speak to off camera want to say

1287
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: more about what's not right. I think if the men

1288
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: who played in the league or men and positions, like

1289
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: you guys start talking about their traveling conditions and how

1290
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: they're being treated so poorly. If that became more of

1291
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: a story than people that have these networks, I eat ESPN,

1292
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it more like I feel the women

1293
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: don't feel I know for a fact they don't feel respected.

1294
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: I think it's getting better. But you have this one

1295
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: product in the NBA that is booming, right, booming, booming.

1296
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what these television contracts are. And you're

1297
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: telling me you can't take that model and somehow make

1298
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: it work for in any capacity more so than what

1299
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: it is working now for the women. You're making dollars minimum, right,

1300
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: you're traveling um in the worst conditions. You are playing

1301
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: some of your your playoff games in high school arenas.

1302
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to me, And like seriously,

1303
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: and and I don't think a lot of people go

1304
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: to w NBA games, which you've been, and you go,

1305
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: it's the fundamentals, and it's a good vibe. It's the fundamentals.

1306
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: You like, it is, family, is fun, it's everything. I

1307
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: think we'll hurt sim as athleticism. And you don't understand,

1308
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: and you don't appreciate the game for as a purist,

1309
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: you'll you'll overlooking because of that. Yeah, because you feel

1310
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: like you need to have this. I want to hear

1311
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: low the room, make them done higher, whatever you want

1312
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: to say. I just feel as if I feel like

1313
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: it's a great game and they're not publicizing it, well,

1314
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: we buy stuff that we don't even want because of

1315
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: the way it's marketed in everyday life, whether they be

1316
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: closed shoes anything tag in the So how come you

1317
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: can't market this product? There's no way you can figure

1318
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: out to market this product. Just be like or do

1319
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: you not care? Right? It's the people who run it

1320
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: and you have to you gotta puld people accountable. But

1321
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: it's come a long way, but it's been twenties in

1322
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: my year or something like damn got they gotta stuff

1323
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: adding Like I think like even with like the All

1324
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: Star weekend, if they had like the women's have the

1325
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: women integrated some type of way, you know what I mean,

1326
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: to start making people see the game and see the

1327
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: involved like that, and do a little bit with like

1328
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: the shooting competitions. But I think deeper ingrainment in the

1329
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: NBA game to have you know, it could be much more.

1330
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: Have an All Star game that weekends, yes, the same

1331
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: week that before before they play the All Star game,

1332
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: or have their game a game in general that played

1333
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: that weekend. There's a way to do it. You just

1334
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: have to decide if you wanted the money to pay

1335
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: you some money to get behind the scenes of hell Listen,

1336
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: you know our mutual friend Christine Simmons, we've talked about

1337
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: that in so many different ways. It's just you have

1338
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: to want to change it. And I don't necessarily think

1339
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: they want to. It's a lot too. I don't think

1340
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: they social issues and having a platform like Champion causes

1341
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: speak on that. You know, there's there's so much going

1342
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: on into today's society with right and wrong and police

1343
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: brutality and human trafficking and all that kind of stuff.

1344
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Like because I know all that touch of you're someone

1345
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: who's very aware of the news, speak on that things

1346
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: that registered with me. Um, And it's so funny. I

1347
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: have and they don't have any particular order, probably a

1348
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: little more passionate about others, um, but I I don't

1349
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: like the way that black men are treated like. That's

1350
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: one of my one of my big big issues. I

1351
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: feel like the the Black family is is destroyed in

1352
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: so many different ways, and I feel like they tacked

1353
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: the men and as a result, the women are left

1354
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: to do so many different things. And then when that happens,

1355
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: you break up this culture and you don't know your history,

1356
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: you don't know where you come from. So that's one

1357
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: of my really big issues. And I like to talk

1358
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: about the idea of black love and us taking care

1359
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: of one another in a in a much more village

1360
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: family type way. Like if you look at different cultures,

1361
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: you look at how the Jewish people or the Italians

1362
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: stay together, like you go to Italian like and I'm

1363
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: pretty sure they have their dysfunction as well. But this

1364
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: this connection that we don't have, our lack thereof, is

1365
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: why the women are you know, like me, where I

1366
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: grew up fearless, which is great, but I needed. I

1367
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: think I need a healthy fear of male respect, right

1368
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: of my male my whether be my my mate, my husband,

1369
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: my boss, and air quotes, whatever it is. I think

1370
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: there should be a level of respect there and I

1371
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: don't have that because I didn't have my father growing up,

1372
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: so I'd just be in your face, ready to ready

1373
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: to tell do y heating nothing, you know what I mean,

1374
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think yeah, and it's not and it's

1375
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: not a apropriate, but it's a I'm a I'm a

1376
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: creature of habit that the environment the product of my environment.

1377
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: And so the more I get older and the more

1378
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: I realize that that's not necessarily the way to approach life,

1379
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: I understand why I'm doing it. So I'm trying to

1380
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to auto correct. But I also think at

1381
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: the same turn, I think men don't do that for women,

1382
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: especially for Black women. I feel like we're the most

1383
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: unprotected group of people ever and no one is having

1384
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: our back and consistently being criticized for us, you know,

1385
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: behaving the way in which we behave because of the

1386
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 1: result of our product rights. So this is vicious cycle.

1387
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: So it's one of these things that I try to

1388
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: talk about a lot. I'm really big on us just

1389
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: working as a whole for women, Like I think, I

1390
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: have so many like interpersonal issues that I found just

1391
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: growing up in this world and growing up in this

1392
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: working environment, and they're all about how we interact and

1393
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: how we treat people like I. Ultimately, I would I

1394
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: would love to say that I have great relationships with everybody.

1395
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: To have a good healthy respect for everybody, I don't.

1396
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think we really

1397
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: should start valuing, which we don't. It's just our time

1398
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: and our human and human life. Like we don't spend

1399
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: time appreciating the people we are with. So when I'm

1400
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: teasing you about giving the girls flowers and roses, like,

1401
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean that ship like the girls, that's that kind

1402
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: of thing means a lot. You don't know what somebody, Yeah,

1403
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: you don't know what their day is like, you don't

1404
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: know how that touched somebody's heart, where they had a

1405
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: crush on you or not, stack like those things matter.

1406
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: Knowing that somebody sees you and can relate to you

1407
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: and touch you and say I feel your spirit. You matter.

1408
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: So I feel that's kind of where I'm at peace,

1409
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: love and happiness and joy. That's where I'm matterness in

1410
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: this phase of my life and in terms of professionally

1411
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: and issues that matter for me. I want to I

1412
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: want to transition. I want to go to a new level,

1413
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: Like I like working where I work, but it's time

1414
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: for me. I think I'm getting the itch and it's

1415
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: time for me to be in a place in which

1416
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: I can use my voice in a much louder way, right, unapologetically. Well,

1417
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: would something like that for me? That is working more

1418
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: in a personality realm where I could host different shows

1419
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: where I could um talk about what I love, like

1420
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: I love doing this. I know nos as hell and

1421
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: I ask questions, but that's just a natural curiosity. I'm

1422
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: just a business, right, and I want to be able

1423
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: to do more of that. I want to. I definitely

1424
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: want to work in the arena of mental health, Like

1425
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: that's so huge, Like I want to be able to

1426
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: tell those stories and how people and how it's okay

1427
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: to get therapy and we shouldn't have to pay for therapy.

1428
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: Therapy is crazy. There be a million dollars a session.

1429
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: Why am I paying? You know? I want to be

1430
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: able to be on that forefront. I want to be

1431
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: able to advocate for that because I've seen it change

1432
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: lives and I've seen it destroy lives. Right, Like in

1433
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: my family, I don't know how you guys grew up.

1434
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm like going too that. I was like, coming to

1435
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: your therapy, let's talk about some of our issues, what

1436
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. Should I don't believe in that. Why not?

1437
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: Well that's how they grew up and they don't think

1438
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: it's right. But I want to be able to talk

1439
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: about that on the level. And if you see celebrities

1440
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: doing it and people with influence doing it and people

1441
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: who matter talking about it, then you're like, Okay, it's

1442
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: not It doesn't have that stigmatism to it. It doesn't

1443
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: have that like, oh, I don't do that. If everybody's

1444
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: doing it, right, why not. Do you feel the responsibility

1445
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: of you know, obviously, like you just spoke on your

1446
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: platform and who you are and what you've been able

1447
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 1: to accomplished. Um, do you feel responsibility of being a mentor? Yeah?

1448
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's honestly. Like I tell these girls, I

1449
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: was like, I know, I'm cute, my new goal hair

1450
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: and legs out. I'm real, I'm real put together, but

1451
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm at the end of the day, like all you

1452
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: see is that part. Like I was like, it's hard work,

1453
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: Like I just didn't show up and put on a

1454
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: little dress and go out here and start talking. All

1455
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: of this is hard work. And so if you're not

1456
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: giving back and you're not explaining that, then you're not

1457
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: doing nothing. I Oh, everything I love. Your job is service.

1458
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: If you are not giving back, you're not worth anything.

1459
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: I swear That's the only reason I say that to everybody,

1460
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, why do I have this platform?

1461
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: Why do I have this pocket? Why do I have

1462
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: this little bit of change? Why do I have this

1463
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: What everything I have is not just to keep right,

1464
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: It's not to keep You're supposed to share. You're supposed

1465
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: to give it out like and I'm doing that and

1466
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: the only way that I know how to do it.

1467
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: And and because somebody did it for me. All you

1468
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: need is one Yes, you need one person to believe in.

1469
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: You always say we're not we're not out of supporting

1470
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: each other than what we're doing. And you know we're

1471
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: not doing we waste some time. You know, this is

1472
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: a perfect time for especially us as a race, our race.

1473
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: We've seen the twenty th make more money than we've

1474
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: ever made in this time, so it's even more imperative

1475
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: that we support each other and build each other up

1476
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: along the way. It's really important. What do you think

1477
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: when you hear like a girl like I want to

1478
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: be just like you? What is that when your journey

1479
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: and what it took to get here. What is it?

1480
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: What do you think? I'm like, what what you mean?

1481
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: What was that? Man? I'm thinking about, like, well do

1482
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: you want to be like being upset with some bullshit?

1483
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: Like but when little girls, you know, little girls, if

1484
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: I immediately go to me, did they see what I

1485
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: was doing the other day? Um, I'm such a mess.

1486
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: I think it's super I loved that though, That's what

1487
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you got to show that here because

1488
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: I've known you for a while and you know just

1489
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: how cool and you don't get that on you know,

1490
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: I can't, given right, I just can't. You know, like

1491
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: you such an elegant hood lady. I'm like, thank you.

1492
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: I take that. Yeah, yeah, because it's funny. They'll be

1493
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: like you seem so I'm like, I get it. I

1494
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: know I'm not, damn it. But I'm humbled by that

1495
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: because I think that, Um, I think that were I

1496
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: knew when I was a little kid. Okay, so you

1497
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: guys can relate to this. When you were a little kid,

1498
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: did you did you feel whatever it was that was

1499
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: special about you or different about you? Whenever there's a

1500
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: moment in our lives and we're just like you're supposed

1501
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: to be doing something special. Well, we've had it. If

1502
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: you haven't had it, I want you guys to really,

1503
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: whoever this is listening to the podcast, I'm watching it.

1504
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: I want you to look for it because you can

1505
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: still have it as an adult. But there's a time

1506
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: when I was a kid and I was like, Okay,

1507
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: that's what I'm supposed to do. Like I'm supposed to

1508
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: touch people, I'm supposed to read people. I mean, I

1509
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: swear to god, I can remember the day. And then

1510
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was gonna do with it,

1511
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: but I knew that it was supposed to be bigger

1512
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: than than just me. And you know, it's not an

1513
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: accident that everybody has this platform because you knew the moment.

1514
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: You remember the day. Who's someone you looked up to

1515
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: in this space? You mentioned Oprah? Was she your main focus?

1516
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: Was there anyone in the sports realm that you looked

1517
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: up through? Female? Wise? Yeah? I like, you know this

1518
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: is so weird. Job Like, I'm about to give you

1519
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: guys this thing. I'm like, who was like her? Um?

1520
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: I like Diane Sawyer? M I like Diane Sawyer. And

1521
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why she was like a beauty

1522
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: queen before she became that journalist type check right, And

1523
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: she was always so beautiful and hell again but always

1524
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: so real and honest and her questions she was just

1525
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: very sincere. She would just ask you a question and

1526
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: she could politely tear you up, get all in your business,

1527
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: but still look at you with such a loving, endearing way.

1528
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: And I was like that ship is great because she

1529
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: genuinely Yeah, it's a gift because she's literally connecting with

1530
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: your soul but telling you you ain't ship if that's

1531
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: the case, right, Like at the same time, it's like

1532
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: but it's like it's a genuine thing. And I just

1533
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: always liked her what I thought was authenticity and um,

1534
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: I never like when I would watch her as a kid,

1535
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's great. Obviously it was Oprah, but in

1536
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: terms of her style, how she carried herself. I think

1537
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: a lot of women in my business, even before I

1538
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: got to ESPN, I felt like a lot of women

1539
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: thought they had to be dressed like boys, right, like

1540
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: wear suits and yeah, right, I was like, you could

1541
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: do both. You could. It's who says you can't, Like

1542
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all about it, Like it's not fake that

1543
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: I want to do it all like instant, and you

1544
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: ultimately will have to pay attention to me. Whether you

1545
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: might be looking at whatever, but you're gonna ultimately pay

1546
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: attention to me too. And I think she was to

1547
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: me one of the first real elegant women world put together.

1548
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: Um and once she got past all that, you could

1549
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: listen to this. We've got some quick hitters before you

1550
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 1: get out of here. Okay, Jackie, want to start it?

1551
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: Top off sneakers of all time? You're you're a low

1552
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: key sneakerhead. I do have a lot of s you

1553
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: know what. I wear A lot of Jordan's, Like I

1554
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: have so many of these, Like I can't even get

1555
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: you get boxes of Jordan's sent to you or how

1556
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: you get on? I do? I do? I do get this.

1557
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 1: I do get them sent to me. But I I

1558
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: asked you, like sorry, I asked to like people say, hey,

1559
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: carry let me send you something. I'm like, yeah, okay,

1560
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: send me. Say everybody got a hook up? You gotta

1561
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: try out to Samantha Baker, you gotta hook up. Don't

1562
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: get fed? Yeah? Hi? Yeah. Jack has a biging section

1563
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: of our of our show that he gets fed with. Oh,

1564
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: I like those because I wanted a pair of those,

1565
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: So Kobe sent those to you. Head lady gave him

1566
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: to you. I just got hooked up, you know, you

1567
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: know someone that somebody. I'm definitely blessed me and I

1568
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: think and I don't. I've never straight away from Nike,

1569
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: like I wasn't the only thing. I can't give you

1570
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: top five. I once I used to wear Adidas back

1571
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: in the day, like I used to like easies, but

1572
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean that, and I was just real trendy, like

1573
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: everybody was wearing right because everybody thought they was the ones.

1574
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: But you didn't. You didn't wear I've never bought one pair.

1575
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: You never wore one pair. That's because see you did

1576
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: though I was Adidas. It's like the last two years

1577
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: of my crew when bro. Yeah, so I was with

1578
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: Adida since I was like you, they didn't know. They

1579
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: don't understand what being a rider was at the time,

1580
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: so they decided to take my deal. They thought I

1581
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: was just going up through a willing willy niarly now

1582
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: I was going to wrap my homeboys. You know, they

1583
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: took my deal. But shout out to Zack at Adidas.

1584
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: If I need something still, look to take care of you. Yeah, no, yeah,

1585
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: I decide I just only wear ones, and then of

1586
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: course I had low tops. I love them like I

1587
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: bought it. I mean that the special edition ones. Now

1588
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: every every every actress, every celebrity, every every movie start

1589
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: got some version of ones. Have you noticed that? Like?

1590
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: Did you say? I'm like, d how come you? Yeah?

1591
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, what's going on? I want one to

1592
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: Secret Society. Just a Nike girl. I don't have anything else.

1593
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: I only wear one. I like, I only wear Jordan's

1594
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: and I think that that's just because they look good

1595
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: on my feet. I don't even have an endorsement. You

1596
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: need to tell him. I tried. What happened? Jack knows

1597
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: some people in Jordan. They took his boxes away, but

1598
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: he still knows some people. I can't help you right now.

1599
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: Why not, Jordan's tell about your boxes? What happened your boxes?

1600
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: What happened? They cut his boxes off? But the guy

1601
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: used to run join at the time. What's kind of weird, dude,

1602
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: And he doesn't he doesn't work done them more. He's

1603
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: the guy that stopped sending me boxes. Now, all the games,

1604
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: we've been trying to get a message back to MJ

1605
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: that Jack needs. Actually shout out to MJ's daughter. She

1606
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: texts me, and I've actually been talking to her. Yes, yes, Marcus,

1607
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler plug shout. Marcus Jordan was on one of

1608
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: my other shows I host for Complex. Yeah, he gave

1609
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: me his number. So it's still open up invitation. What

1610
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: are you waiting on? I don't know. I just wanted

1611
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: to tease you with a little bit cool. I'm just

1612
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 1: glad you got the next question. A dream dinner table

1613
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: where you can soak up as much knowledge as you

1614
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: can give me. The top five people that are a

1615
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: lot you've had at that table with you, Maya Angelou,

1616
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: knos A Rice. This is so because I've been listening

1617
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: to these master classes, um DJ and I don't know

1618
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: him like that Dwayne Johnson, but I would like I

1619
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: would you guys. Yeah, but we don't sit and talk

1620
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: and get real like I want to have some tequila

1621
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: with him and talk about just the movies he's making

1622
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: and how you monster and the biggest start probably biggest

1623
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: star in the world, not the world. I went from

1624
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: playing at Miami to get playing like playing kicked out

1625
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: of CFL. Then I'm gonna be ar wrestled like my family.

1626
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna start guest starring in movies, like but

1627
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: just be myself in movies. But then I'm gonna start

1628
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: actually doing movies and be really bad at it and

1629
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: then really just perfect my craft and become a decent actor.

1630
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: And then like shows in every way, every way got

1631
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: under armur line. It's like it sells out more than

1632
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's Like what and theory? Yeah, like all of that,

1633
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: So I would I want to know, like and he

1634
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 1: stays up, like how do you do that? He was like, no,

1635
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: it's so neat. Like when when we filmed that show,

1636
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: he would we would wrap at three am, he go

1637
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: work out and then started his second job where he

1638
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: was doing voice over and I was just like what

1639
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: is that? Where does that come from? And he too

1640
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: talked about battling depression like I'm still dealing with it. Like,

1641
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: so he would be there, Um, clearly I have over there,

1642
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: and then I would have my dad and my mom. Wow. Nice, Yeah,

1643
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: I'll be some good food. Top two most memorable interviews

1644
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: so many um or favorite membable or favorite either one

1645
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: for me and here Brother fan Magic came on f

1646
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: T for an hour and some change. First time I

1647
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: ever met him, and that was like a moment like

1648
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: it's magic. That was my favorite player growing up too.

1649
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: I was with you look at me, my whole heart, Grandma,

1650
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: look at me. Now you know y'all know I magic.

1651
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: How cool he is. I remember one day calling his

1652
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: assistant on Christmas Day, like probably like five years ago,

1653
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's magic around on Christmas Day

1654
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: because it was like a game they always put on

1655
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 1: Christmas Day. I want him to speak to my grandmother.

1656
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: Do you know what? We gotta talk to my grandmother

1657
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: for five minutes? Do you know she could just she

1658
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: could have died and went to heaven at that moment,

1659
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: the look at her eyes, she was so happy. I've

1660
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: never seen this woman flinch, be nervous. She's so like

1661
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: well put together. She was so nervous, so happy. I

1662
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: was like, I'm outset. That was it. That's how I

1663
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: ever did. So that was one I don't necessarily know

1664
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: if this was a great interview, But do you guys

1665
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: remember when Chad Johnson came out first take, right after

1666
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: he got kicked out a league for allegedly not touching

1667
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: his his his his then wife or ex wife do

1668
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: you remember that. I don't remember the detail um that was.

1669
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: That was one of the most memorable moments because they

1670
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: came at his head and when I tell you, it

1671
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: was like a Spanish inquisition. I felt I felt so

1672
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: bad for him, and then they were like, okay you

1673
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: could and then to be a part of that, to

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Speaker 1: ask all these questions and see him how he I mean,

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Speaker 1: you could cut the tension with a knife. It was

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Speaker 1: like you can't turn away from it because he wasn't talking,

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01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: but they were. It was just it was crazy. Chad

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: just was not backing down. I was produd of him,

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Speaker 1: but it was the most It was one of those

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: moments that like remember those are like there were so

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: many of these different moments where you have and you

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: sitting and you're watching these people. Are like when t

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01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: O came on there, he looked like he wants to

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,959
Speaker 1: fight Skip. Like those moments you can't you can't relive

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: those moments, like to be there when they're getting ready

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01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: to go at each other and commercial break, you're just

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Speaker 1: like ship who can like somebody about to get beat it.

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01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: I literally felt Tia was about to jump across the

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01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: table and beat Skip's asked like it was that uncomfortable

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01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: because up until that moment, TiO hadn't talked to anybody,

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01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: and skip me to talk so bad about him, remember

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: when he's a cowboy. He was talking so bad about him,

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01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: and you could, and you know t O was an

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01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: emotional guy anyway, you could just feel like he was

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01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: about to jump out of the screen and beat hisself.

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01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: There was one of those moments. We can curse, we

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01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: can say whatever. Last question, Yes, if you can have

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01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: a sentence or a billboard to share with the world,

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01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: what would your message be? So deep? But nobody need

1700
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: damn what M share with the world. Don't get too high.

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01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: Don't get too low. That's simple. Don't get too high.

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: I don't get too low. That's the only reason why

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: I think I'm successful. I don't believe all the hype,

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01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: and I don't believe all the hate right in the mail.

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: Even I like that. I don't believe the height, and

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01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't believe all because I've never said extreme. It's

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01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: never that extreme. We appreciate you, appreciate you. Thanked, he smoked.

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Speaker 1: I'll go run and get it right now. That's a rap.

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Speaker 1: Episode twelve with the Lovely Carrie Champion herself, my brother

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: Jack another great show. You can catch us on Showtime

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Speaker 1: Basketball YouTube channel or any platform streaming podcast at all

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01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: of them. The old US is, we've been building, building, building.

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Speaker 1: When the opportunity do come my way, that's when the

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01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: magic happens. Going under the Endeling Household was crazy, impression, anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Those are things I had I hatter before. I've just

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 1: gotten more now. Legalizing sports gambling might just well legalized

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01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: cocaine and crystal mouth. So many people wanted sunny dead.

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Speaker 1: Question is who got through the first? This is the

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Speaker 1: all word point. It's the parted. Do we help people

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Speaker 1: understand football? Just spoke, go fight Yeah, spole h