WEBVTT - Patriots Draft Prospect Review: Receivers 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.920 This is the Draft Prospect Review Podcast on Patriots dot 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.280 Com Radio. Welcome to the NFL Draft. The Draft Prospect 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.200 Review Podcast is your source for all the latest news 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.520 and information on the NFL Draft. The New England Patriots 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.840 like now here to preview the wide receivers and tight ends. 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.079 The writers of Patriots dot Com Time yet again for 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:25.479 another draft review podcast. Here with Mike desol Matisse, Bowman 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.760 and myself Paul Perillo, coming at you with a big, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.760 big position. We're gonna talk about pass catchers in general, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.960 but obviously we're gonna focus more on wide receivers number 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.320 one because it's more fun to talk about wide receivers 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.800 number two. Because I think, guys, the Patriots could be 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:48.200 in the market for one anywhere in this draft, including 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.920 at the top. What say you, I think absolutely, I 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.040 think it's I mean, I've been here three years, it's 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.760 the third year in a row. There's a bunch of 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.840 really good wide receivers. Pick whatever kind you like. You 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.440 want a big one, you want a fast one, you 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.800 want to fast, big one. They've got them all. It's 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.880 just I think a question of preference and you know 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.160 what they exactly like. But there's plenty to like about 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.920 the whole class once again, all right, a lot of 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.800 different opinions as to um which guys people are the 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.920 consensus like the most, but also some question marks in 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.280 terms of health with some of the high rated guys. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.319 So tis I'll go to you, um, which which guy? 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.959 Forget about where in the draft, but if you had 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:26.960 to pick one receiver, which guy do you like the most? 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.039 Jamison Williams one. I think he's just the all around 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.679 guy and he's against Deuce. Here we go. We don't 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.080 need a guy who can make an impact this year. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.399 So I've joked I was doing damage in the SEC 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.520 and that says a lot. So yeah, I mean, and look, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.160 he's a great player and we have some some funny 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.160 side things on PU about him, but I can't sit 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.040 here and tell you he's not a dynamic threat, explosive athletic. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.240 I do think that that some of his questions are 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.680 um a little bit swept away. Maybe that's because he 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.960 has the ACL and you know that's the issue that 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.680 people are focused on. I think he's gone, uh just 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.760 just you know, he's a little undersized. I think there's 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.200 some questions about how's he going to deal with the 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.360 physicality in the NFL. Why you know, the left Ohio 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.960 state You've got two other Ohio state receivers who are 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.680 highly ranked as well. Um, So you know, little things, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.079 but um, overall, I think he's very good. I also 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.000 I really like Garrett Wilson. Um. You know. And it 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.520 was interesting kind of development with him because I think 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.600 initially in the draft process people are always gonna run 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.800 like a five four or five five. He's he's not 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.560 as fast as Olave is um. And then he ran 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.040 like you know four three eight, Uh, you know, which 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.000 is faster than Olave. But I just think he's a 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.000 versatile guy. With the ball in his hands, he's tough. Um. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:40.839 I like, I like how he runs with the ball 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:46.000 is good, versatile, his he's with Duce has learned from 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:51.080 from Paulie. Like you can say facts but don't explain 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.840 it at all. Like as an example, one of the 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.600 questions about Jamison Williams is his size at six one 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.639 seventy nine, Um, Garrett Wilson, he like better at six 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.480 feet one hundred and eighty three much bigger, much bigger, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.880 much bigger. Uh. You know a lot of questions about 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.880 Garrett Wilson speed, but he ran at four three eight, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:14.400 which was actually faster than Chrystal Lays four three nine. Like, wow, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:19.359 he's made difference between four. He's brilliant. He's brilliant. Uh, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.880 they're all that's trailing Burkes's four to five five. That's that. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.200 That's a different that's a different animal. Uh, totally different 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.200 skill set too. But I actually I'm not going to 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.080 break the tie. I'm gonna tell you I like them both. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.119 I do like Williams better. I think he has enormous potential, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:40.640 and I do think that he at Ohio State found 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.200 a way to make some place. It wasn't like he 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.040 was just buried and never saw the field. I think 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.440 he looked at it and knew that Ohio State was 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:51.240 going to be three guys, four guys, and at Alabama 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.800 he had a chance to be the man. And he 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.520 was right. He stepped in with you know, eighty catches 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.200 fifteen hundred yards twenty yards to catch. I mean, like 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.880 just really incredible production. But yeah, you can't ignore the 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.560 torn acl and a guy who is just so incredibly dynamic. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.280 I know that medicine nowadays these guys get past this, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.920 But you do wonder if he loses a step. Mike 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.200 is right, he's one hundred and eighty pounds, soak and wet. 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.880 You know, does he have enough physicality if he's not 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.320 quite as lightning quick? But I'm with tease. I would 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.320 take Williams. I like Wilson a lot as well, and 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.120 I do I think like Traylan Burks more than Mike does. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.200 I think he's a really interesting guy who I'd like 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.440 to see in a more traditional passing offense that's like 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.839 Arkansas to me, is still one of those kind of 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.880 stone age kind of offenses that didn't accentuate. They did 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.800 a lot to get the ball in his hands, and 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.640 I think he's dynamic enough that he made plays, but 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.040 I like to see him in a more sophisticated passing attack. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.240 Do you have anything on Burkes because I got some, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.400 so I'm a little more out on Burks. Yeah. I 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.360 think I like Christian Watson more in that type of 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:59.760 role where you can get the ball and he'll just 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.120 do it thing level of play. Yeah, I like both those. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.719 I really like Burks, Paul, I mean, he is really 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.800 I think an option at the end of the first round. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.800 I really am kind of thinking that Jamison Williams probably 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.720 going to be gone, so I don't dedicate too much 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.599 of my head space to him now. But I came 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.960 into Trail and Burkes thinking I got nick kill Harry Ptsd. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:24.040 I'm worried about a guy who doesn't have maybe the speed, um, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.920 you know, and but he can play. And I think 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.560 that's the thing that they move him all around. I 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.960 think you're totally right Paul about you know, more traditional role. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.520 How does he fit is he? I don't think he's 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.400 really that outside burner guy. I think he's an inside guy. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.080 I think that, you know, and they're able to move 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.480 him around do some different things with him. Had a 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.560 chance to talk to him at the Combine a little bit. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.800 I love saying that kind of stuff, um, But but 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.599 really liked him, really liked his his personality. He just 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.440 seemed focused on on, you know, what he was, what 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.920 he had to do. Um. I'm a big Burks fan, 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.120 and I think he could be a realistic option down 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.080 a down at twenty one in And I also love 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.840 Christian Watson. I think, you know, I I look at 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.200 him almost as a budget Jamison Williams a little bit, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.239 you know, he's got similar I mean, he's a little taller, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.200 I think, But I think he's a guy that praised 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.120 for character, you know, those kind of things. I know 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.560 that they that they qualify as well as you know, 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.520 just able to do a bunch of different things, kind 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:18.880 of like Burke. So I think he's kind of maybe 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.720 a little bit of a mesh of those two first 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.080 couple of guys that we talked. But I like Watson too. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.680 I will I love Watson now let tease talk about 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.920 him because it looks like he's the guy that it's 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.800 actually not my main guy, but he does have some 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.560 moves that like, you know, he just he's always there 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.599 in NORTHDA Coast, State's offensively ran through him. So yeah, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.640 and a really dynamic player. I just I always worry 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.080 at that level. You know what the especially with speed guys, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.720 speed and like size guys like is you're just bigger 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.080 and faster than everybody that you're playing against. And that's 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.479 why I don't think that's true. I think this guy 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.880 is going to be a good pro, you know, I 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.120 don't know, second third round, maybe somewhere in there, I 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.720 don't know what you guys see him following. I think 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.159 he's a chance to be a really good player. You 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.039 can't teach the kind of measurables that he has. I 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.440 did like him, and I like Alavi a lot too. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:08.839 I mean, we just we brought his name up. We 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.840 haven't really talked about him. But it was funny, like 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.880 I read some of these different things and you hear like, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.240 really technically sound route runner, and then you hear like, oh, 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.239 needs help with his footwork. And how could two guys 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.200 watch a guy and get two diametrically opposite views. But 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.840 no question, a lot of different opinions. The smoothest guy 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.440 in the draft, and I count that for both that's great, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.640 but it's also how much does it tell you about 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.440 how his game is going to translate to the pros. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.480 I think there's a little bit of question, you know, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.800 same thing, the size stuff with him, But just's he's 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.600 fun to watch, just how smooth he is, how easy 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.160 he makes everything look. I'm a little bit on the 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.760 fence with him at twenty one overall, but but I 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.920 think he's a good player. Yeah, I don't know about 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:53.440 twenty one. I don't know if I would take a 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.240 receiver at twenty one. So I mean, I do think 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.120 there's a lot of needs that the Patriots have and 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.920 I don't know if that's the biggest one. I don't 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.800 know if I would take one at twenty one. I 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.160 think if you really believed in somebody like Burkes could 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.480 be like a game changer, maybe what they thought Harry 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.120 was gonna be. You know, who can play anywhere and 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.760 so scary to do that though, because of the comparisons, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:20.760 I know, I know, tease anyone, um Wandale Robinson. You know, 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:25.360 he's just the gadget guy. I have a star, a 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.880 little small, but I mean he can do everything. He 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:33.960 can return kicks, Cato yep, yeah, I wrote Debo yep him. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.200 I mean, there's just so much upside on Day two guy, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.400 late day two guy. Uh. These are the kinds of 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.240 players I think you can find, um and I think 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.160 these are the kinds of players teams have found in 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.600 the second in early in the third day of the draft. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.520 It doesn't have to be twenty one. I love one. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.880 Dale Robinson, Um, by the way, just learning how to play. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.400 He played he was a running back, so he's just 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.480 sort of learning how to be a receiver. He's small, compact, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.160 but tough in plays with a ton of heart. Um. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.080 I think that's the kind of guy that could could take, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.040 you know, maybe make some some short passes and make 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.000 big plays out of them. That's the kind of guy, Paul, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.840 And we've we talk about this all the time about 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.920 you know, people call into the show and ask about 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.719 drafting a receiver first overall, and it's it's that kind 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.360 of guy that they need more of. And I take 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:19.959 a couple of them, you know, I take a couple 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.160 of those kind of guys that are just electric. I mean, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.960 I just sudden was the word that I wrote down, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.480 And I mean, I think you ran a four four 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.840 nine and it's not not crazy, but it's just a 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.720 guy with the ball in his hands to makes things happen. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.880 So tough too, and similar to to to kind of 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.120 bringing it Skymore, I thought they were similar kind of players. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.160 I think Skymore maybe has a little bit more pedigree 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.880 right now, just as far as what people think he Um, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:45.160 you know, might be able to do a little bit 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.280 smaller Um in terms of height, But I think Skymore 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.480 is another one electric inside kind of guy. Um makes 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.600 a lot of plays with the ball on the inside 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.600 portion of the field. So what are your thoughts on Metchi? So, 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.079 I mean I I'm with everybody. I think every but 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.000 he thinks, hey, he knows Mac. He's got a degree 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.080 of familiarity. We do have the you know, the ACL 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.840 issue with acl ACL issue with him as well. But 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.000 I think he's another great fit. I love these day 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.680 two guys, and he might even be, you know, a 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.280 third rounder I think based on based on the health. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.440 But just it's got to be intriguing to Patriots fans, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.080 no one. The connection there exists. You can bring in 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.600 a young guy that's going to be here for four 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.960 years and they can continue to grow together. I gotta 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.360 be honest. If he wasn't an Alabama guy, I don't 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.800 think I'd be overly interested. The connection does intrigue me, 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.800 and I know that, you know, people have watched like 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.000 Borrow and Chase and Tua and Waddle and they've said, hey, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.760 you know, let's get one of these for Mac, and 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.800 I am sort of interested in it. From that perspective. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.400 I think he's a good player. I don't think he's 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.520 anything special. I think he's I think he's a good 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.680 college receiver who I thought was kind of average in 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.240 terms of creating separation. I think there's so much space 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.480 in that offense, it's kind of hard to develop in 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.000 it might listen, maybe I'm getting claud By Williams for 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.080 the same reason. Yeah, you know, maybe there's just so 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.200 much space in that offense that these guys all look 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.240 better than they are. I'll tell you a guy, you know, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.360 a Day two guy that the numbers don't jump out 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.280 at you average to below average speed, which is a 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.600 concern the Patriots don't want another slow receiver. But David 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:24.240 Bell at Purdue is a guy that in an offense 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.319 that was basically David Bell, he was the guy. This 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.360 is sort of the opposite of the Alabama thing that 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.959 I just talked about. Everybody on the field knew the 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.640 balls going to David Bell, and he just produces every 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.600 single week with an average quarterback on an average team, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.280 and they find ways to win games because David Bell 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.120 was better than the guys covering him on a week 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.079 to week basis. But he's like a four sixty. He 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.720 did not test well. He had a bad pro day, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.240 so I understand if teams are gonna but because of that, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.640 if you could get him in the third round instead 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.600 of the second round, I think there's a guy that 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.000 you might have to look at smart player. Yeah, he's 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.520 He's the guy that just kind of knows how to 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.920 play and maybe makes the most of what he Ninety 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.320 three catches almost fourteen yards to catch. That's a lot 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.840 of catches for an average that that high last year. Uh. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.960 One other guy that I wanted to bring up was 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.000 George Pickens from from Georgia. Uh. He tore his ACL 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.360 in the spring, right, Yeah, and yeah, he had only 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.600 four games played, which I think really impressed scouts that 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.920 he worked so hard to get back before the end 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.040 of the year, ended up being a contributor in the 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.960 National Championship game. Caught a bomb in that game. Um really, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.240 I mean I think he played four games, right, is 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:39.040 that right? Four games? Thirty six catches, Like the guy, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.800 the guy can play, The guy can play. Um yeah, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.280 that's another one where you talk about coming off an injury. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.640 Maybe that that affects his status a little bit. I mean, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.559 I love not to again go back to Harry and blocking, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.920 but watching him block is just hilarious because he just 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.160 tosses guys left him right, Why would you watch him block? 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.800 I don't know. Somebody cut up something and I enjoy it. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.840 I enjoy seeing people go flow. So I mean there's 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:04.240 a lot of a lot of other names that we 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:09.680 haven't even mentioned. Yeah, so I mean Drake London, I know. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.000 So I'm not huge. I'm not huge, and he's and 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.920 I always have problems with guys when you turn it 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.600 on and all the highlights are contested catches down the field, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.800 you know. And but when I was in the when 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.280 I was at the combine um, he seemed to me 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.640 like a kid who's still very much growing into what 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.559 he's going to be. And that was my pause for him, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.640 because going into it, I didn't I wasn't really too 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.480 high on him. It just seemed like he's bigger than 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.920 everybody else and is able to go up and get 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.480 the ball. Um. But there is part of it that 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.800 I think if a team reached on him, I could 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.240 see them saying, I think he's going to develop into 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.640 a more well rounded guy. He certainly has the size. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:46.959 Do you think he's gonna be a top ten pick? 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.600 I mean I'm seeing people saying that, and that's still 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.560 surprising to me because I don't see the overall dominance 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.080 of a top ten pick where you know, Jamison Williams 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.439 his best highlights that's a top ten plar. That's a 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.280 guy who is making people miss left and right, tear 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:04.480 him him around. Did I see but that's clear. I don't. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.319 I don't see him. And to be honest, I think 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.000 with even with Garrett Wilson, I don't really see a 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.200 top ten pick there. I see a mid mid first 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.040 round kind of a guy. I'm not sure that this 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.319 class has what last year's class had in terms of, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.280 you know, the waddles and the chases of the world. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.160 I don't know if you guys know we're gonna talk 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.800 about tight ends a little bit. I'd like to throw 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.120 two more and I want to know if there was 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.360 like a late, like a Day three guy, maybe you 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.360 guys had had an eye on I got. I gotta 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.760 mention Kyle Phillips just from UCLA. I call him a 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.880 Wes Welker cost player. UM actually did talk to him 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.760 with the combine, asked him about Welker and he was like, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.800 you know that's my guy, Um, But you know he's 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.080 a he's a Day three we talk about slot. He's 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.440 a Day three slot kind of a guy. But surehanded 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.760 catches everything his way. You watch you watch him in film, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.040 he they just the same thing as Welker. Guys just 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.680 can't seem to cover him. He has a smart attitude 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.160 about how he plays and setting guys up. I think 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.840 he's a punt returner. He can do a number of things. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.160 He's just seeing him give people problems. He doesn't look 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.720 like much standing there, but he seems to me like 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.720 a patriot guy. And and one other guy throwing the 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.520 mix was Khalil Shaker from Boise State, who I like him. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.680 Did it all you know, direct snaps, part return, kickoff, 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.240 run after catch um. I think he's another guy that 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:14.880 that I gave a start too, along with with jan 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.840 Dale Robinson. That those are two guys I look at 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.360 that day two, day three kind of area that that 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.760 could come in and and bring something to the table 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.640 that they need. Teaset did you have one? I had 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.200 Taekwon Thornton from Baylor. I mean he's just a burner. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.360 He did a four point two eight forty and I 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.400 think you can't go wrong tessing anything with that. Just 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.400 throw it deep and he'll be there. You can't teach me. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.160 I also liked Calvin Austin as a late, late round 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.520 kind of guy, another one of those sort of hybrid 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.560 cat too. I think you could. I think you could 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.080 use him in a lot of different ways. Small five eight, tiny, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.560 tiny guy to about a thousand yard seasons maybe, but 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.080 maybe you can find a way to use him. I 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.960 just think explosive athlete his first thing that I wrote 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.320 down when I was watched him a little bit, uh, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.400 And he has good hands and rint looked like he 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.200 got open like ran good route too. So yeah, there's 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.040 some interesting guys top to bottom in this class. I 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.120 think we'd all be stunned if the Patriots don't come 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.640 out of this draft selecting at least one wide receiver 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.360 type player. I would have said that last year too, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.160 and I was surprised, But you know, with just Kendrick 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.240 Bourne under contract for next year, you know potentially, you 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.320 know you have to address the position long term, and 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.760 I think to get some youth to get any one 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.760 of these guys, and some of us are higher or 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.280 lower on certain guys, I would take literally any single 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.760 one of them. I feel I could help this this 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.000 group right before I close it with tight ends and 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.720 we're not going to talk about them for a long time. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.920 But if it was twenty one, at twenty one, who's 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.000 your pick you had to take a receiver for at 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:46.040 twenty one? Burks? I think I would do it Teas Williams, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.000 James and Williams at twenty one. You think he's gonna 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.120 be available at twenty one? All right? For who's available, 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.720 I'm taking Pickens. Oh, I like Pickens, but I'm gonna 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.200 go Burks as well. But I think the three of 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.720 us would all agree that it's probably unlikely at twenty 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.560 one for a wide receiver. I think so, especially with 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.359 the depth that we just talked about. I mean, there's 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.840 gonna be guys, let's get deep into the weeds into 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.320 late day two, early day three, because I believe that's 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.920 about the high point of where any of these tight 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.080 ends are gonna come off the board. Um, most of 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:22.119 the experts have guys like Trey McBride, Jalen Widemeyer, Kay Doughton, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.480 Jeremy there's a lot of sort of workman like college 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.720 wide receivers in this in this group, and I think 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.600 there's some potential for teams like the Patriots that like 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:37.439 to use two tight ends. I kept reading solid option 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.840 as t E two in twelve personnel. Yeah, and there's 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.720 a lot you know, the Kaye Doughton's of the world, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:47.439 even the kid Jake Ferguson, Barry Alvarez's grandson from Wisconsin. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.520 A lot of these guys just really good college tight ends, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.960 but I think all would need some development. Yeah, I mean, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.600 I think Tray McBride would probably be the one that 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.480 I was, you know, most impressed with. Most of that's 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.280 coming from just getting a chance to see him at 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.800 the Senior Bowl a little bit um and the practices, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.200 and I mean, I think he has potential to kind 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.840 of develop into into an all around tight end. But 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.879 I think the thing with this position group in general 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:11.919 right now is that you mostly have guys who are 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.240 just bigger than the defensive backs that are trying to 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.479 cover them, and so they're able to just go up 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.600 and get the ball, and if they're able to, you know, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.800 sneak out and get wide open and so you see 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.600 a lot of that run after catching. But there's not 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.919 any burners. Really. There's some athletic guys Isaiah likely I 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.640 know Tease likes him, yeah, from Everett High that Paul 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.919 knows him well. Um, but you know, I think he 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.280 was he was an athletic downfield, could could have. He 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.399 came out of a wide receiver and they made him 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.320 into a tight end at coach and I and I 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.000 agree with with teeth. If you were going to take 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.200 a flyer on a guy with the most upside, now 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.359 I don't there's a chance that he'll give you nothing. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.199