1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: In today's episode of Ticket to the Draft, we recapped 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: the entire combat. We watched every single drill, what did 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: we learn, what gave us concern, and what was confirmed 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: That all starts right now. Welcome to Ticket the Draft Podcast, 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: presented by Seekeek, the official primary ticketing partner of the 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here on camera, and we 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: got just a guy, Jason sitting right over there, just 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: just right out of reach. 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: Can never see him. 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: He's just out of reach, just out of reach. That's 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: exactly right, Jace. How you doing, Bud? 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, trying to recover from the combine because 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: those are long days, right, just long days. But we've 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: said it on our previous podcast episodes, we just love 15 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: bat ball. So we're in it. We're in it, we 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: love it. 17 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. 18 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: So on today's episode, I think we're gonna kind of 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: do like a high level recap, just kind of general thoughts, 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: and then if you want more specific stuff, make sure 21 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: you check out the other podcast episode we did because 22 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: we were very, very detailed about a lot of individual 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: performances and and yeah, so this is going to be 24 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: more high level thoughts. 25 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Just kind of recapping the comp. 26 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have four previous podcasts. We did one after 27 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 3: every single day, so we go really in depth on 28 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: O line, running back, wide receiver, like we go, we 29 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: get in it, we get in the weeds for that. 30 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: This is yeah for YouTube for kind of a general 31 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: recap of the combine and what you took away from it. 32 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, you know, just to start off, 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: I think the thing that I came out of it 34 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: with just at the highest level. So you go through 35 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I was going reviewing my notes last night, going through 36 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: each and every position, kind of just saying, I like 37 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: these guys. I thought they perform well. Rewatching some film 38 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: with some guys, and I just think there's this there's 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: like this cliff in the draft this year. I don't 40 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: know exactly where it is, but I think there's a 41 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of really good players, players that are very talented, 42 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: very athletic. I mean, this is one of the most 43 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: athletic combines I remember going to in terms of the 44 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: top end guys. But then I feel like, I don't 45 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: know if it's at the ninety man mark one hundred 46 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: man mark. There's a noticeable difference, Like even just watching 47 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: the drills, Like when you're watching the old line, obviously 48 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: there's the top six, seven, eight guys, you know, kind 49 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: of ending with Sue Mattia there, I think. But then 50 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: afterwards you're like, man, can that guy play offensive line 51 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL? Just from a physical standpoint, The guy's 52 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: a little undersized, the guy's not athletic enough, and it's 53 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: and it just gets it gets really thin, really quick. 54 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: And that's not to say there aren't good football players, 55 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: not to say that those guys from that kind of 56 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: second tier group aren't gonna hit. But I felt that 57 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: way about every position group except for the receivers and 58 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: surprisingly the running backs. And I think like it just 59 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: it just was really interesting to kind of and one 60 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: of the benefits honestly of going to the combine and 61 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: seeing it in person, because you see these guys that 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: are and are for sure NFL players, just the physicality, 63 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: the way they move, the athleticism, and you get into 64 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys you're like, maybe is that guy 65 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: a special teams linebacker that develops into something down the road. 66 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: And again that's where the stuff that we're not privy 67 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: to becomes so important with regards to interviewing and understanding 68 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: the prospects at a higher level. 69 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting what you said when it comes to 70 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: wide receiver and running backs and how you feel like 71 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: it's a deeper class for those guys. But on one 72 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: of our pack podcasts, our previous ones, we have Brad 73 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: Spielberger from PFF. He's a salary cap analyst, and what 74 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: he was kind of alluding to, and what we've talked 75 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: about before on previous podcasts, is that you're gonna probably 76 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: see a lot of wide receivers go in the top 77 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: of this draft because of the value of that position, 78 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: and then you're gonna have running backs kind of fall, 79 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: maybe even the first one taken, not till the third round, 80 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: maybe because of just the value of the position these days. 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: And so while the draft is very, as you say, 82 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: it's kind of like top heavy, we can see that 83 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: there are certain position groups that even if like we 84 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: feel like there's depth there and there's NFL talent there, 85 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that they're going to go in the 86 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: top top round, in the top two rounds. It's weird 87 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: how the draft works like that, which is why mock 88 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: drafts are so volatile, because it's hard to figure out 89 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: exactly where these are going to go based on value 90 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: one d percent. 91 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: I think the I think the offensive line. You said 92 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: this about the offensive line group, and I think it's 93 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. Like when I go through it, 94 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I like these fifteen guys, these you know, 95 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: almost twenty guys that I'm like, wow, these guys are 96 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: really good. But they're talking about eight of those guys 97 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: going in the first round, and so then in the 98 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: third round, you're not going to get your twelfth guy. 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: You're going to get the twentieth guy of that group 100 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: because offensive line and this draft specifically is going to 101 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: push up. And I think that's a reflection kind of 102 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: maybe the lack of true strong linebacker, safety cornerbacks in 103 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: this class. 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: I think there are good players there. 105 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk about those guys in a minute, but it 106 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: just seems like the positions of strength are offensive line. 107 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: They always get pushed up. 108 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: There's again there's like probably fifteen guys or like, these 109 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: guys could help us right now. The thing you said 110 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: about the receivers, I think is one hundred percent right. 111 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: But the other thing about the receiver class is like, 112 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: I know eight guys are going to go on in 113 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: the first round. Maybe nine guys go in the first round, 114 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: but there's probably twenty five guys. And I'm like, this 115 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: guy could play NFL football. And when you watch the 116 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: drill is it's it's it's obvious. And so I think 117 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: with that group, I think you're gonna get You're gonna 118 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: be getting good value adds way later. 119 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: And you mentioned the running back. 120 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a great one just because of how 121 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: the contracts are in the NFL values running backs. Yeah, 122 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: that's gonna start in the third round. And they're not like, 123 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, they're not all. 124 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: Killers, these running backs. 125 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: They're guys that fill needs and maybe that's why I 126 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: feel better about that group. But they're guys that you know, 127 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: like Marshall Lloyd's probably the most well rounded guy. But 128 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: then you get guys like you know, Loud from New 129 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: Hampshire who's more of a pass catcher. So if I 130 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: need a pass catching third down back, maybe that's where 131 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: I go. Ray Davis is a guy that from Kentucky 132 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: who again is a good runner, but is probably not 133 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: your bell cow. A guy that comes in in rotational 134 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: spot that could maybe develop. 135 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: So that's what they are. 136 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: But I think, like that's maybe why I see more 137 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: value there is because I see an opportunity for these 138 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: teams to to to fill. 139 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: A need at running back kind of. It's kind of 140 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 2: to flesh out a room, right. 141 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: You don't need a guy, you need a you need 142 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: a piece of that room. And I think that's why 143 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: the receiver room, that's why the running back room feels 144 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: so deep as opposed to perhaps like linebacker, where you 145 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: need guys, you know, you need a guy that can 146 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: really do it. And that's one of the most challenging 147 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: positions in the NFL right now. So it's like, man, 148 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't see when you're watching the film. I don't 149 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: see the instincts all these guys. I don't see the 150 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: physicality for some of these guys, and so it's really hard, 151 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: I think, to find that piece that kind of fits 152 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: that from a linebacker standpoint or whatever. 153 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, So before we start diving in, I 154 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: want to mention two things to our fans about the combine, 155 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: like little asterisks that like a little footnotes, just to 156 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: keep in mind the entire time that we're talking about this. 157 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: The first one is is that the combine is not 158 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: meant to be the be all and all of evaluation. 159 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: It's a small percentage after film, after pro days, right 160 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: after interviews that we're not privy to. There's visits that 161 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 3: it's just one piece that we see. So you said 162 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: this once this week. Don't fall in love with what 163 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: you see at the combine. It's just a support order. 164 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's it's a good way to 165 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of test athletic measurables, right, So, like there are 166 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: certain athletics for thresholds, especially for like defensive linemen for example. 167 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: You know you need to kind of meet certain physical 168 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: and athletics stress thresholds to be effective and good. So 169 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: you know you probably put a little bit more weight 170 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: on them. And I think it's important. Like Keon Coleman 171 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: is another great example. Like I like his film a lot, 172 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: but he ran a four to six two at the combine. 173 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: So there's not too many receivers that run you know, 174 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: four six twos that are very successful at the NFL level. 175 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: So as much as I like the film, I got 176 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: to keep that in mind, and I'm going to downgrade 177 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: him a little bit accordingly. Again, it's the film, and 178 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: and I don't want to say it's it's the six, 179 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: it's the four six two in isolation, because that's not 180 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: it either, it's on film. You have a question about 181 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: his ability to run and separate, and he doesn't. His 182 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: pro agility wasn't good. His three conel wasn't good, his 183 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: top end velocity wasn't good. 184 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: Because and all this supports what you're seeing. 185 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: All this supports what you see on films. You're like, oh, man, 186 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: like I was kind of open, you come out and run, 187 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, four to four, And you're like, well, okay, 188 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: Well maybe he just wasn't being used in the right 189 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: way at Florida State. Maybe they weren't ximizing him. But 190 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: it kind of fits that narrative. And so I think, again, 191 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: it's just a it's like a confirm what I would say, 192 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: it's like a confirming piece or something that makes you 193 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 1: go back and watch the film again. But really, eighty 194 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: five percent of the evaluation is tape, and then obviously 195 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: there's the interviews and all that stuff, which you know, 196 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: I say eighty five percent of the evaluation is tape 197 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: for me because that's what we have access to. But 198 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: if I was a true scout, if I was a coach. 199 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: It would be the interpersonal stuff as well. So it's 200 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: like they because I got to know that I can 201 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: coach this guy or that I can work with this guy. 202 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's something again, it's it's a piece. 203 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: It's just kind of an exclamation point on the evaluation. 204 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: So I know we're going to be talking about a 205 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: lot of players here, just but I think that's a 206 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: really good reminder, Jason, just to keep that at the 207 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: forefront of thought here. 208 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the second thing is that I'm going to 209 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: say that every person we talk about here is going 210 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: to be a draftable NFL talent. 211 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: I think so. 212 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably. So when we are saying like, oh, well, 213 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: we don't like this or we don't like that, we 214 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: are not saying that this player is bad by any 215 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: stretch of the imagination. We're going to split hairs. We're 216 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: gonna nitpick because the difference between somebody going in the 217 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: first round in the second round is going to be 218 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: small little details, but they're both very good NFL prospects. 219 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is here too. 220 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: It's like I've seen people doing this recently on Instagram 221 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: and YouTube where they go back and they review former 222 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: mock drafts, you know, mel Kiper's mock drafts, and he's 223 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: getting a lot of heat and a lot of hate, 224 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: and I think people forget that, like, all we're doing 225 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: in this process is trying to mitigate risks the best 226 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: we can, right exactly, And I think it's there's no 227 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: surefire thing because it's not just the prospect. It's it's 228 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: not just the athlete. It's not as the football player, 229 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: it's the individual, it's the situation they go to, it's 230 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: the coaching when they get there, it's how they're used 231 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: in that scheme. So there's a multitude of things that 232 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: make a successful draft pick. We're just trying to mitigate 233 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: risk from an athletic standpoint and a football playing standpoint 234 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: in our evaluation. So we are splitting hairs and it's 235 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: basically like you know, I mentioned the Kean Coleman thing. 236 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Do I think Kean Coleman's a good football player? Absolutely, 237 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: he's a good football player. But do I think there 238 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: are other football players that project better after the combine 239 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: and after watching his film. Yes, that doesn't mean I 240 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be good or if he 241 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: gets in the right spot, like for example, if some 242 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: team drafts him and uses him like Marcus Colston, you know, 243 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: for the for the for the New Saints, for the Saints. Yeah, 244 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a really good opportunity for him to 245 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: have a very long, productive career because he's tough, he's competitive, 246 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: he catches the football really well. He just doesn't run 247 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: watt routes as well as some of these other guys. 248 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: So again, because the role becomes so specific, it's like 249 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: you gotta, I'm going to move him down my bar. 250 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: He's not a not to catch all for all the teams. 251 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: Right, and Colston worked out not to take anything away 252 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: from his talent, but Sean Payton Drew Brees right, using 253 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: him in a correct way, right, like going to a 254 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: good situation. And that's not to take anything away from 255 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: Colston's talent at all. It's just maximizing, right, putting your 256 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: guys in a position to succeed. 257 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: And he was a seventh round pick, right, And I 258 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: think that's another thing, like he's you know, really awesome 259 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: football player, but that's right, he went to a system 260 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: that maximized he did well, and I'm not sure he 261 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: would have been as effective if you had gone anywhere else. 262 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, so let's get into it. And 263 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: I have a way that I want to go about 264 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: this because I'm a producer and I think about the 265 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: way that we can make this digestible. All right, So 266 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna we're gonna go through each position group, and 267 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: I want we're going to talk in this sense. Tell 268 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: me what from the combine did you learn? Okay, what 269 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: from the combine from this position group confirmed? What you 270 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: what your evaluation? And what from the combine in this 271 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: position group gave you some concern? So learn? Confirm you 272 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 3: want that just generally, right, very general. It can be 273 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: anything you want. But that's kind of going to be 274 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: our structure. So let's start with the defensive line. What 275 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: is something that you Let's start with confirmed. Let's start 276 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: with that one. What's what was confirmed? 277 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: So the defensive line for me, this is this is 278 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: an interesting questionause I don't know if anything was confirmed 279 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: for me with this group specifically because there were so 280 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: many questions about it. Right, you got these guys who 281 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: were all kind of supposed to be really good in 282 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that played fine, but no one really 283 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: like asserted themselves as the guy. So I guess, like 284 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: the question for me was like, how athletic are you guys? 285 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: How do you guys measure? Like? 286 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: Is there a reason it didn't work out for you 287 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three the way everyone thought it would, right, 288 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: And so I think it was really cool to see 289 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: all these guys, kind of the top end guys come out, 290 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, by top end guy, we're talking Byron Murphy, 291 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins from Michigan, Brandon Fiskey from Florida State, Devandre 292 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Schwett from Texas. Right, those guys came out and tested 293 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: really well and basically said I am, my film's really 294 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: good and I'm a top end athlete. And so that 295 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: was a nice thing I guess to see that question 296 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: see answered right, it's because it's not your production wasn't 297 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: because of a lack of athletic talent. And so like 298 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: I think, and again, they're all good football players on film, 299 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: like their film is very excellent. It's just about what 300 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: role do they fit at the next level? And I 301 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of what the testing did for 302 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: me and said, okay, we could. I feel comfortable with 303 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: all these guys from an athletic measurement standpoint, and that 304 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: was something that I'm glad we got answered during the 305 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: combine process. 306 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: All Right, so in your notes right here with Byron 307 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: Murphy Texas, what did you write down next him there? 308 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: Oh? 309 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, go through them real quick. 310 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 311 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: So I said, like, you know, he's a guy that 312 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: I was a little bit worried about, like total size 313 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: and seeing him in person, and he was just this thick, 314 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: big back son of a gun, and his change direction 315 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: was excellent. His explosive measurements were excellent. So I thought, 316 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things you see on film 317 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: and when we do our we do our notes on 318 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: these guys, is I said, man, like, he's a guy 319 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: that could be that elite three technique at the next level. 320 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: And so that was kind of that question answered for me. Right, 321 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins, you know from Michigan. His own is this 322 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: big run stopper and he comes out and has awesome 323 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: explosive measurements. So I think he has this one superpower 324 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: which is stopping the run at a high level. Right, 325 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: But now I see an athletic projection where I say, Okay, 326 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: like that's awesome, man, let's push this guy if he 327 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: gets with the right coach in the right system. He's 328 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: got an athletic profile kind of like Deron Payin that 329 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: could lead to a lot of sack production that wasn't 330 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: there in college, right. And then Brandon Fiskey, I mean everyone, 331 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: if you don't know his name now from Florida State, 332 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: he absolutely murdered the Combine and the way he relentlessly 333 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: plays football. He's a guy that I now feel super 334 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: comfortable betting on it because he's crazy explosive, his work 335 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: ethics awesome. If the role is right for him, he's 336 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: going to be a very productive player at the NFL. 337 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Even then to Andre Sweat, you know, comes in on weight, 338 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: which was an important thing for him. That was a 339 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: big question I had for him specifically, But then ran 340 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: five to two you know or whatever he ran at 341 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: the Combine and he's three hundred and sixty six pounds. 342 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: So I just think that's those were all again, great athletes, 343 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: all of them. The film's good for all of them. 344 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: They answered the question about conditioning, so I think that's 345 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about that that top four group. 346 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: And then Rooke Aroo from Clemson I think could also 347 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: fall in that because again not very productive at Clemson, 348 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: but the athletic and the physical measurables. You're like, man, 349 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: this guy can play and if you again, if he 350 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: gets with the right coach, like here in Washington for example, 351 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: he could be a very productive rotational piece. 352 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: All right, so what from this group? What did you 353 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: learn from what this group of defensive meals? 354 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so defensive tackles. 355 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I think I had this perception that it was like 356 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: this deep class because you look at some of these names, 357 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: like the guys from LSU and there's another name sloating around. 358 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: But then it was going to be there's the top, 359 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: there's a pretty established middle, and then there's a bottom 360 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: end of like developmental guys. And I kind of felt 361 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: like there was no middle class in this in this group, right, 362 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: there are guys that have physical gifts, right, they're big, 363 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: they're fast, but their film was so raw, and so 364 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I think you got to see the athletes are there 365 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: for this group, but the production wasn't there. And like 366 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: we've talked about with defensive Lineman just in general, like 367 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: the production's. 368 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: Got to be there for you to be excited about it. 369 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: So there's this kind of top group of five, six 370 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: seven guys that you're like, Okay, they'll contribute right now, 371 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: very few questions about that. But then there's a gap, 372 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of questions, you know, in this 373 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: middle class, and there's then there's this kind of bottom 374 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: half of guys where who have trades, who have ability, 375 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: but they just haven't been very productive. And I think 376 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: that was the thing that was surprising about this group, 377 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: as I was expecting that middle class to be a 378 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: little bit more out. 379 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: Excuse me, all right, So is that also a little 380 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: bit of what caused some concern coming out of the combine? 381 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: Do those two much together for you? 382 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: I think one hundred percent? 383 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: And like I said at the top here, like I was, 384 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: I expected to be like, okay, because you know, we've 385 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: been to the Combine, this is our third year in 386 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: a row. 387 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: Right, Jason, is that right? 388 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: Yep? 389 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: And every year there's like it seems like there's this 390 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: really gradual kind of descent to like the from. 391 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: The best player to the worst player. 392 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Right, It's like, this guy's the best and there's like 393 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: this nice, easy, gradual decline down to that player that's 394 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: obviously that's going to be borderline drafted. Here, I felt 395 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: like it was like the high end was very high 396 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: and then it was like a little bit of a 397 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: cliff and I feel like this group kind of encapsulates 398 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: that a little bit. 399 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying there aren't. 400 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Good football players outside of these top six guys. It's 401 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: just the projections a little bit more challenging because the 402 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: production or the physical tools weren't there in a way 403 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: that you get They get you excited. 404 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: Let's move on the edge and stay with concern. 405 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: Okay, what gave you a little bit of. 406 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: Concern at the combine with the edge rushers. 407 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think in general, I was relatively pleased 408 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: with this group. I thought they did a good job. 409 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: But like, for example, like Jared Verse, I come out 410 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 1: of there and I'm like, you know, he measured he 411 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: measured crazy. You know he ran crazy. He's explosive, you 412 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: see that on film. He plays hard. He in the 413 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: drills specifically, he was very very tight, very very tight, 414 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: and so my thought is like, yes, you're a very 415 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: good power rusher, excuse me, but at some point you're 416 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: gonna need to bend the edge, and he just didn't 417 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: show very good bend. Like his ankles were tight, his 418 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: hips were tight, and my thought was, I think you're 419 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: going to be a good pro, there's no doubt about it. Like, 420 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: you've got the work ethic, you've got the physical tools, 421 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: it's just what is your ceiling now? Because the bend 422 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: isn't there. And so that was something coming out of 423 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: that group specifically where I was like, Man, I don't know, 424 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: you know, I think I probably I think I actually 425 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: shuffled my top three. So I went, you know, Dallas 426 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: Turner to Latu to Jared Verse because of that concern, 427 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: and again like he might be a fine but for me, 428 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: I just see all the top end edge guys like 429 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: they just bend really, really well, and he just didn't 430 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: have that. So again, I think he's going to be 431 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: a five to seven SAT guy for the most of 432 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: his career and be a good every down player and 433 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: a guy you're happy he's on your team. But I'm 434 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: kind of like, are you gonna want to upgrade from 435 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: him at some point? And it kind of felt like 436 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: yes because of the bend. I just didn't see the 437 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: bend the way it was the way I was hoping. 438 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: To see what guy confirmed for you from this group 439 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: at the. 440 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: Combine, Golly, there's some excellent athletes, you know, like they 441 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: like just some really twitched up dudes, Like I mean, 442 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: there's a reason that like you know, Chop Robinson, Dallas Turner, 443 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: Jared vers or at the top there, like they were 444 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: just so explosive and so twitchy. And then there's I 445 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: think there's some good depth pieces here too, in terms 446 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: of guys that have like measurables, like Miles Cole from 447 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: Texas Tech running a four to six at two hundred 448 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and eighty pounds, Markshawn Neelan, Like the way he moved 449 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: and bent, You're just like, gosh, that guy could play football. 450 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: John Javonte, John Baptiste from Notre Dame. I mean he 451 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: looks like an alien, right, But you see guys, you're like, man, 452 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: that that frame, that which is something we could use. 453 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: And then Chris Braswell is a guy that I forget 454 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: it was even at the combine, but that's a good 455 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: football player. So unlike the defensive tackle class, where I 456 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: felt like it was like top, no, middle, and then 457 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: the bottom, I felt like there was a nice gradual 458 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: glide there of people that had good traits, good production 459 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: that again, in the right system, you're like, man, this 460 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: guy could be really really awesome. So I think that 461 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: was something that I was thinking, and I think a 462 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: lot of people said this is a very weak edge class. 463 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: But I come out of it saying, man, there's probably 464 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: like fifteen or twenty guys here. They're gonna be good 465 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: football players in some capacity for an NFL team. 466 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. Some of these the athletic trait show up on film. 467 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: When you go there, they do these things, run these drills, 468 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: and you're like, yeah, that's it. 469 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: I see that absolutely right. 470 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's confirming what you saw in film, hopefully 471 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 3: not confirmation bias. 472 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: But it's also kind of like this thing where people say, oh, 473 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: it's a weak edge class, and there's many stronger edge classes. 474 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: But I do think that there is kind of like 475 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: the running back class, there are flavors for people. Because 476 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: edge rusher, you can kind of find you can be 477 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: a rotational guy. You could be a first or second down. 478 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: He could be a guy that bumps inside outside. And 479 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,239 Speaker 1: I thought there are a lot of guys. You're like, man, 480 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: that guy could fill a roll. That guy is for 481 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: sure developmental, but is a guy that could fill a 482 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: role potentially and become become a starter, which is something 483 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: that is nice to see, especially with some later round. 484 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 2: Guys, what did you learn learn? 485 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, learned that what's his name, Dallas Turner is an 486 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: absolute freak, is what I learned. Man, Like that, like 487 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: the way that guy came in and tested like I was. 488 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: Everyone said he's gonna test like a freak, right, everyone 489 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: said he's gonna be a freak, But I was not 490 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: expecting that level of freakishness. 491 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: You were high on Leatu Latu coming in and Dallas Turner, 492 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: you were kind of like, oh somewhere right like. 493 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 2: You yea, I think they do? 494 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: I think, uh and again, like it's because I think 495 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: Dallas Turner's film is fine. It's just like when you 496 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: watch lau Lato. He's a pro ready pass rusher, like 497 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: he has a plan, he can he can throw any move. 498 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: And that's another surprising thing for me. He tested better 499 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: than I thought. He ran a four to six, which 500 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: is great for him. I thought he might run like 501 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: a four seven four eight, But showed good twitch, showed 502 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: good explosive miss, showed great hands. But then Dallas Turner 503 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: was just on another planet. He ran a four four 504 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: seven and forty inch vertical, almost had eleven foot broad 505 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: He had a great ten great ten yard split, and 506 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: so you're like, man, and he had what he had, 507 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: thirty five inch arms like he looked like a like 508 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: a like a weird languid alien out there. 509 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 510 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: I just think that those traits in conjunction with his 511 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: production in his film, you say, man, if you get 512 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: him with a coach that knows what he's doing, like 513 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: his ceiling is I don't want to say unlimited, but 514 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: very very high. And you see why, you know, all 515 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: these NFL analysts are like, he's the number one guy 516 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: because those traits, Man, you just can't you can't overlook 517 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: the value of those. And again I think a lot too. 518 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be a better pro probably year one, 519 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: but I think overall those traits are going to be 520 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: hard to bypass. 521 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 3: All right, let's jump the linebacker. 522 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah god, all right. 523 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: So I want you to blend two of these together here. 524 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: I want you to blend what you learned and what 525 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: was confirmed together with these with what. 526 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: I learned and what was confirmed. So I think I 527 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: leave this group with a lot of questions. 528 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: So what I learned I didn't really learn. That's the 529 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: thing I didn't learn a lot from. 530 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: That's why I'm asking it this. 531 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't learn a lot from this group because 532 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: obviously you get Peyton will Wilson coming out and testing 533 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: like a freak and everyone knew he's gonna do that. 534 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: I like his film. 535 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: He's probably the best linebacker in the class, right Edgrian Cooper. 536 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: He comes out and he looks he's he's like the 537 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: second linebacker in the class, but he looks more like 538 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: an edge when he's doing the drills, Like is he 539 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: an edge? Is he in true off ball linebacker? Like 540 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: what's the best way to maximize his role? I'd love 541 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: to see, you know, him in a system here like 542 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: in with with with Dan, because I think Dan would 543 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: maximize that. But if he goes to any other system 544 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: in the league, it's like what do you do with 545 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: this guy? 546 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: You know, like how do you maximize him? And then 547 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: you know. 548 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Trotter from Clemson, Tommy Eikenberg from Io State. They 549 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: didn't test right, They didn't do any running, and my 550 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: big question about them was like, how are you going 551 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: to run right? I think you're very smart football players, 552 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: but what is your athletic ceiling? Maurice Luafu from Notre 553 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: Dame is a guy that looked good in the drills, 554 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: but his film didn't look very good. So it's like 555 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: he's big, he's strong, but like, what are you? Who 556 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: are you? Godrey Hunter from Georgia State. I like him 557 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: just generally, but that's more of a confirmation bias and 558 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: a defe. 559 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: From you. 560 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: Dub Test is like an absolute freak, but I don't 561 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: see it on film. So it's like, I feel like 562 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: I come out of here with like more questions with 563 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: this group, specifically like Peyton Wilson, Boom, and then everybody else, 564 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: there's a question about how they fit in what they do, 565 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: and I think it just kind of speaks to how 566 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: challenging this group is to evaluate because I in the 567 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: past have gotten caught up and I think I've told 568 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: you this a million times where I'm like, the most 569 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: important thing for offball i'mbacker is athletic traits, and I 570 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: got burned a bunch of times on that because the 571 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: mental element of that is so important. 572 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: So with a guy like. 573 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: Excuse me, he is, he's above the neck. It looks good, right, 574 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: it looks like he knows what he's doing. He's played 575 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot of football. Smart guys, smart guy comes out 576 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: and tests really well, but I'm like, why didn't you 577 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: look like that on the field, you know? And so like, 578 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: is that because you're having trouble processing? Is that because 579 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: how you were coached? And so I think that's that's 580 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: why this group just becomes a little bit of a missmash, 581 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: kind of wishy washy, because nothing all the questions remain 582 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: questions because either guys didn't tests or the film doesn't 583 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: support their testing numbers or whatever. 584 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: And that's why this group is a little bit a 585 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: little bit tough for your boy to navigate there. 586 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: All right, let's move to the defensive backs. Let's move 587 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: to the corners. Specifically, we're getting into the sports cars. Now, 588 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: sports cars, you're at the combine, So who stood out 589 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: to you? What did you learn from this group at 590 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 3: the combine? 591 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: I learned that Quinya Mitchell might be the best corner 592 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: in the draft class. I think that's what I come 593 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: out of it with is he's he's just a physical 594 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: freak man. Like he again, like his footwork's not the 595 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: best and it's not bad, but it's not great. But 596 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: his ability to explode out of cuts and run with 597 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: number one wide receivers. His size, he's six foot, he's 598 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: almost two hundred pounds. Like his willingness to be a 599 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: tackler in the run game, Like I just say that 600 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: if you're looking for that dude that kind of does everything. 601 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: I think he's probably the guy. Nate Wiggins is a 602 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: guy that I wish I would have seen field work of, 603 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: but I don't really feel like I need to because 604 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: he's the best. He's by far the best coverage corner 605 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: in the class. The question I have with him is 606 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: like do you tackle? And that's not going to be 607 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: answered here at the combine, So that's still a question. 608 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: It's an important part of football. 609 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important part of football. So I think, like 610 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: the Quinna Mitchell, think just how explosive he was. I 611 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: thought was how competitive he was, Like he ran a 612 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: slow forty to start. 613 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: I think he ran a four to four to four and. 614 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: He comes out and people rarely run their faster time 615 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: the second time, and he came out and ran a 616 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: four three nine or four three eight, And like, I 617 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: just love that that competitive drive right there. And the 618 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: drill work looked great, Senior Bowl look great. And so 619 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: it's just like in this offseason process. He just keeps 620 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: stacking days. 621 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: You know, he has incredible and we talked about these 622 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: terms in previous podcasts, but he's got great quick click 623 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: and clothes and covery speed is insane. 624 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: It's really incredible, right, And I think, like I said, 625 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins is probably the best coverage guy, but I 626 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: feel like if you're looking for the whole package, he's 627 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: probably there. And also I think another thing that I 628 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: was maybe confirmed for me was about Tyran Donald from Alabama. 629 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: Is I always questioned on film how good of an 630 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: athlete he was, like in terms of top end speak, 631 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: because sometimes you see him get burnt deep a little bit. 632 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: But I think the thing with him that sticks out 633 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: to me is he's a football player that showed up 634 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: in the drill work, that shows up in his tape. 635 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: And so is he that kind of buffalo nickel nickel 636 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: player kind of like Kwon Martin was fors for this 637 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: team that is a flexible chess piece and I think 638 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: there's value there. You know, they drafted Seattle, drafted Witherspoon 639 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: like in the top ten last year to fill that role. 640 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of that same guy just a 641 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: little bit lesser athlete. So I think the total testing 642 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: probably hurt him, but the field work I think helps him. 643 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: And I think he kind of falls right in line 644 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: with what I'm thinking in terms of my evaluation. So 645 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: any concerns with him, I think it's just like the 646 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: end speed, you know, like when you watch Nate Wiggins, 647 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: like he'll get beat and he can recover, you know, 648 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: his feederrexit, he'll recover. Same thing with quinnyon Mitchell, like 649 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: he got burned. We've talked about this a couple of 650 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: times by Brendan Rice at the Senior ball on a 651 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: post and he got burned pretty bad, but he was 652 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: able to recover intercepting football, and I think Tier and 653 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 1: Arnold the one thing you see on tape is he 654 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have that elite closing ability, which is a little 655 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: bit a little bit concerning. 656 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: So all right, did what did I miss here? I did? 657 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 3: We did, confirmed, confirmed, I learned, learned, got to learn 658 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 3: something here. 659 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: I learned that there's some pretty good corners in this class, 660 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: like pretty good, like outside of those top guys, like 661 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying there's gonna be like a ton 662 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: of like second round corners, but I think if you're 663 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: looking for a cornerback, it's just a good football player 664 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: kind of after like third. 665 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: Round and on. 666 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of guys that aren't perfect prospects, 667 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: like Mike Sanders Still from Michigan is a undersized nickel, 668 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,239 Speaker 1: but he hits like a truck. He's tough, he's got 669 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: good ball instincts, like Bromley from Louisville, right is Brownly 670 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: Excuse me misread that Brownley from Louisville is a tough, 671 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: competitive guy with great instincts and great ball production. Max 672 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: Milton from Rutgers is a guy that at the Senior 673 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: Bowl was great. His film's good, great click and clothes 674 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to that term we were just talking about, and I'm 675 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: just like, man like, there are these and they're not 676 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: perfect prospects, like Brownley's a little bit tight in the 677 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: upper back, Max Millon, I don't know if he's got 678 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: the top end speed. There's a couple of corners from 679 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: Florida State where I was like, this guy could be 680 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: a good night. And so it's just about making sure 681 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: you understand what the player is and then how to 682 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: maximize them. And I think that's something like when you 683 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: listen to Daniel Jeremiah or melk Kiper and they always 684 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: talk about this is what the prospect is. But getting 685 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: them to the right system is so so important. I 686 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: think that leads to success. And I think about my 687 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: own career as a player and how important it was 688 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: that I came here to Washington with Mike Shanahan because 689 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: if I'd gone anywhere else, I don't know if it 690 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: would have made the team. 691 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 692 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: So that there are good football players, it's just about 693 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: how do we maximize what they do at the highest level. 694 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: I want to jump around a little bit on your sheet. 695 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the guys at these they 696 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: cover here, the wide receivers. Oh yeah, let's go over there. 697 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: We gotta let's get some offensive love here the wide receivers. 698 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: This is an incredible group. We mentioned it before. So 699 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: when we're going to mention some like I don't want 700 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: to say negatives, but like some things that bring up 701 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: the concern these we're going to be nitpicking here, like 702 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: a very good group. So let's start there. Where is 703 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: some concern from this wide receiver group coming out of 704 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: the combine. 705 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: I have generally with the group very little concern. It's 706 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: like you can find your flavor man. You know, everyone 707 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: like Ricky piersall looked great. He tested like an absolute 708 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: freak and that was a big concern, so like clean 709 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: that up. 710 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: You know. 711 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Lad mcconchney tested like a freak, good job, and you 712 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: know everyone's like, oh, those are just slot guys. I 713 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they can play outside now, right, Yeah, 714 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, Roma Dunsa ran. 715 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: Great routes, tested well. 716 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior ran routes about a thousand times better 717 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: than I thought he was going to run routes. 718 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: So I think the tez Walker caught balls. 719 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: Tez Walker caught balls a big deal, you know, I 720 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: get everyone did. 721 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Everyone did well. 722 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: You know, I think the guy the two guys that 723 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: come out being a little concerned about We mentioned Keon 724 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: Coleman because of the lack of top end horsepower, and 725 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: then ad Night Mitchell was a little concerning. 726 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: Again. 727 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: He tested really well, but on the field he just 728 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: looked a little out of sorts, you know, in terms 729 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: of running routes and kind of running the full tree. 730 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: Now because he's got so much horsepower, I'm like, hav 731 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: him run posts and having run goes and have him 732 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: run deep digs that can kind of round into the 733 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: spot and you can find a role for him. And 734 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: that's why receivers so fun because you don't need a guy. Ideally, 735 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: you can get a guy who can do it all 736 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: at your ruma dunes. He can do everything. You feel 737 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: good about it, right, But I think with some of 738 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: these guys, it's like, I can I can have a 739 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: role for you. You can be my three point shooter, right, 740 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: you can be my home run guy. You can run 741 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: the deeper routree. I don't need to run the short 742 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: area of stuff. So I think that makes you feel 743 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: good about and teams seem to have a really good 744 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: feel for how to find and utilize these guys at 745 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: the highest level for whatever reason with receivers. 746 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 3: So, all right, I want to talk out something that 747 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: was confirmed but also a little bit a concern at 748 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: the same time. I'm gonna start it off for you, Yes, sir, 749 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: all right? What was confirmed here? Xavier Worthy is really fast? Yes, 750 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: I mean it was incredible being in that building when 751 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: he broke that record. The fans that were there erupted. 752 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: He erupted, He felt the energy coaches, GMS scouts. The scouts, 753 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: you said, but they were looking at their stopwatching them 754 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: each other like whoa right, Like it was great to 755 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: be a part of that four to two one. He 756 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: stopped and that was his day, and he went, I'm 757 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: not doing anything else, which is a little bit concerning 758 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: because there are questions about the other things. We know 759 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: you're fast, so going out there and confirming that you're fast, great, 760 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: but we want to learn something about you run some 761 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: routes for us. And he was like, no, I'm not 762 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 3: going to do that. That's a little concerning. 763 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: That was a little concerning to me as well. 764 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about this a lot on 765 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: our podcast where we did receivers. He has some route 766 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: running twitch to him, right, He's got some ability, he 767 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: just doesn't show it all the time. And he weighed 768 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five pounds. So like obviously people 769 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: are gonna say, well, Tank Dell was awesome last year. 770 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: Like the reason you remember Tank Dell as being one 771 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pound receiver that was successful is 772 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: because he's the exception, not the rule. And so I'm 773 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: a little bit concerned, and I just want to see 774 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: how he moved around again, he's twitched up. His short 775 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: airy quickness is awesome. I just wanted to see him 776 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: show me right, because at Texas he's running and goes, 777 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: he's running posts. There's some stuff of him in the 778 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: red zone where he's running like corners where he's got 779 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: good stem and good setup. But there's a reason those 780 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: are on his highlights and not every down for him. 781 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: Right. 782 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: I've also seen him get people get hands on him 783 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: and he just gets a race from the play. And 784 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I guarantee you at the NFL level, people are going 785 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: to do that. So I kind of wanted to see, 786 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: like when there's someone in front of you, how do 787 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: your feet look when you have to do like a 788 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: little double stick and shoulder through on something? Because like 789 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: Tank Dell is awesome because he's good with his releases, 790 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: like everything layers in there really nice. 791 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: Do you have that level of nuance? 792 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: And again I'm not as concerned with him because he's 793 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 1: a receiver and there are ways to mitigate some of that, 794 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: like if he goes to like pick your spot, let's 795 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: say val A Rams, Like, I'm very confident he doesn't 796 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: fit that system because he doesn't block, He's not he 797 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have the toughness of Cooper Cup and Pookaakoba. 798 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: Let's say he went there. 799 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm confident Kyle Sewan's gonna be able to figure out 800 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: a way to like short motion him, get him off 801 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: press and have him run a rout tree that fits 802 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: his skill set. I'm very confident about that. But I 803 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: wanted to see I just wanted to see him move 804 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: around and compare him to the other guys, like one 805 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: after the other. And I think it would have really 806 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: helped him in in my opinion, because again, like there 807 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: is stuff on film you're like, this is pretty good. 808 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: How consistently can you get to that stuff? And when 809 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: you're running the comeback are you running a four to 810 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: two to one or are you running a four five six, 811 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: unlike Xavier Laget who's always running a four to three. 812 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: Keep going on at because this is something we've learned. 813 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, like and this is something we learned about. And 814 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: again I like Xavier, like his film, I like his story. 815 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: I'm high on him. 816 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: And he needed to come in and basically say like 817 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: everyone hasn't build as this athletic freak, and he needed 818 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: to show that he was an athletic freak, and he 819 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 1: basically came in and did that. 820 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: You know, he ran four thretey nine. 821 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: He jumped forty inches at two hundred and twenty one 822 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: pounds bodyweight, he's six ' to one. He had like 823 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: an almost an eleven foot broad jump, so tested physically well. 824 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: We knew he was going to do that. 825 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: He also came to the field work ran every route, 826 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: showed an ability to sink his hips, put his feet 827 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: in the ground, stem stuff up, not maybe at the 828 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: highest level, but good enough. 829 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: Did not drop a ball. And the other thing I 830 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: love about his workout is he was in excellent condition. 831 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: He ran probably twenty routes and did not look out 832 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: of breath, did not look fatigued. And I think there's 833 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: something to that. And that's how he plays the game 834 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: with this kind of mindset, this physical toughness. At the 835 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, he's doing gunner drills. You know, like he's 836 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: a guy that is really fun to watch and a 837 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: guy that I have a lot of respect for. 838 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 3: So great. That's a really good group. I mean, is 839 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: there anybody you want to talk about before moving on? 840 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: I know people can listen to our other podcast. Really 841 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: go in that the BA the other one. 842 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think if there's anybody else that's 843 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: stuck out. 844 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's just so many, like even even so 845 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: many like TODJ. 846 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Washington's like, uh, you know, Jakwan Jackson, like all those guys, 847 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: those little receivers did a great job too. 848 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 2: So a lot of really good football players there, all right. 849 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 3: Safety. 850 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: Safety Safety is tough, all right. 851 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,479 Speaker 3: Going back to the other side. Safety is really tough. 852 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: I want to do this one rather quick because it 853 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 3: is tough. Give me something you learned, something that shows concerned, 854 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: something that's confirmed, or is. 855 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: It just like I'm gonna I'm gonna give my guy 856 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: a shout out here because he deserves a shout out. 857 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: It's the Utah safety. I can't get my notes up quickly. 858 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 3: Hockey. 859 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: No, well, Vaki deserves a shout out too, But that's Utah, 860 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: isn't he? Yeah? 861 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: You Tah Cold Bishop is running running mate. Okay, so 862 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: Cold Bishop. I love love his film. He plays in 863 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: the box, he plays in the post. He's a good tackler. 864 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: Just was like, how's this dude gonna test? Dude comes 865 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: out and runs a four three four four three and 866 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: he's six ' two he's two hundred and ten pounds 867 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: and just looks like a football player. 868 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: Johnny he Blitz as well. And so I thought, nice, 869 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: like way to like way to. 870 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: Just come out and any question about your athleticism is 871 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: put to bed. Your football accus high. You communicate well, awesome. 872 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: But then you look at like Tyler Neibaum from Minnesota. 873 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: You look at the kid from Gosh, I forget from you, 874 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: dub or from Washington State, the safety there, Jayden Hicks, 875 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: and neither one of those guys tested. They just did 876 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: feel work and they just looked okay. And Jayan Hicks 877 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: is a box safety, so he's not gonna look great. 878 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: But I just come out of there like not having 879 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: any answers. And then the guys that did test well Tech, 880 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: like the guy from Texas Tech, Dorian Taylor Demirison, excuse me, 881 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: is a true post safety who ran really well. But 882 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: how physically tough are you? I have no idea, right, 883 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: And so I come out of this group kind of 884 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: saying like, there's no guy. Really, there are some guys 885 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: that could be the guy, but those guys didn't test. 886 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: And the guys, you know what I'm saying, I just 887 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: come out with I almost come out with more. It's 888 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: like the linebacker group. There's more questions and I need 889 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: to know that you can play. And I get the 890 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: film's okay for some of these guys, and I think 891 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing about this group, and maybe like that's 892 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get to here, is if they 893 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: come out and tested serviceably, then you say that film, 894 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: which is pretty good, is totally satisfactory in terms of 895 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: me drafting you where I'm going to draft you. But 896 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: no one really came out and blew the doors off 897 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: or you know what I'm saying, Like it just it 898 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: was tough. 899 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 3: So all right, hop on this, hop on this ride 900 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: with me. I'm going to do a segue here from 901 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: safeway safeties to running backs. I'm going to do it Withaki. Yeah, 902 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 3: they're right, Si, Vaki is safety from Utah that I 903 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,959 Speaker 3: was so I want to talk about him so much 904 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 3: that I jumped the gun earlier when talking about his 905 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: running mate. But he looks small right when he's standing 906 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 3: with the others safeties, but very athletic. What we learned 907 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: from him, or rather for us, it's confirmed. I think 908 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 3: what a lot of people in this stadium learned is 909 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 3: this dude can play running back. When the safety drills 910 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 3: were done, they set up the running back drills and 911 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 3: he went and ran a couple of them. And man, 912 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 3: he looks so good at running back. He wants to 913 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 3: play safety. But at U Talk he played a little 914 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: bit of running back out of necessity and he was 915 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: good at it. So let's transition, right, him as a 916 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 3: running back as a safety? Right, would a team take 917 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 3: a chance on that? And then let's talk about the 918 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 3: running back class. 919 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: I certainly hope. 920 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: So I think if he was more open to the transition, 921 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: I think it would be more likely because like when 922 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: you talk about like the pass catching running backs just 923 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: in terms of film, like he's he's up there, man. 924 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: Like his ability again to run like a choice route, 925 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: to run like a wheel route and accelerate, and his 926 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: his his balance and his short airy quickness even in coverage, 927 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: his short airy quickness is insane, like when he's like 928 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: like matching the one on ones at the Senior Bowl 929 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: or matching a deep cross at you know, when he's 930 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: at Utah, Like, I mean, this guy's twitch is incredible 931 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: and you see that as a running back. And so 932 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: I think if he was more open to being drafted 933 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: as a running back. I think he's probably a fourth 934 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: round pick, you know, but I think now because there's 935 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: a little bit of uncertainty about what he's going to be. 936 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: He's five to eleven, he's to twelve. I think he 937 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: ran a four to six, but I think he's much fat, 938 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: plays much faster than that, So I'm not concerned. 939 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 2: Like he has a lot of explosive runs. 940 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: He has a lot of explosive plays kind of coming 941 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: off the edge and blitzing and running with receivers and 942 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: things like that. So I maybe just didn't test extremely well. 943 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: But he's a guy that I think is a lot 944 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: of fun to watch and is really intriguing because I think, 945 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: if I maybe this is my offensive bias, I think 946 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: if he were to play running back, he would be 947 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: an excellent third down back, Like a fantastic third downback. 948 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: Fantastic at it. All Right, we already kind of touched 949 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 3: on Marshaw Lloyd a little bit so and we've definitely 950 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 3: talked about him in our previous podcast about running backs. 951 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 3: Anybody else real quickly, you want to talk about here? 952 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 3: What is something you learned from these guys here? 953 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Isaac Gwendero from Louisville is an absolute monster physically, 954 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: Like I had his film was good and you're like, okay, 955 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: and you just got you're buzzing through guys. There's like 956 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: thirty running backs, so you don't get through every single detail, 957 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: but holy cow, And then when you go back and 958 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: watch them of his explosive runs, you realize, like he 959 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: is legit for three three fast, He's got forty inch vertical, 960 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: he's explosive, he catches the football. Well, he's a guy 961 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: that if I'm the commander's hypothetically and I want a back, 962 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: that's going to make like be an explosive weapon, Like 963 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: why not you know Jaalen Wright too, Like. 964 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: Those two guys are crazy explosive. 965 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 3: Why did they not show up on film as much? 966 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 3: You think? 967 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: Because I think he runs a lot of gap scheme 968 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: inside zone stuff, so like he doesn't have they're not 969 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: like they had another back there at Louisville that they 970 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: use is kind of their perimeter guy, and they use 971 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: him in between the tackles because he's two twenty he's 972 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: two twenty one, big guy. He's six six foot two 973 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: twenty one and and for whatever reason, like he did 974 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: he did. He does great with that, but I want 975 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: to see so you never get to see him kind 976 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: of out in space, you know, with a with a 977 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: head of steam, you know, crossing lines the way that 978 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: I think he can. And so when you watch his 979 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: explosive runs from the inside zone stuff, he's breaking a tackle, 980 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: he's jumping over a guy. He's got to do a 981 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: lot of work to get to the grass, and when 982 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: he gets to the grass, he's explosive and no one 983 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: can catch him. But it's just those runs aren't as 984 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: as common as you would think because he's of the 985 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: style of run that they're using him for. 986 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 3: Tight ends. 987 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: Tight ends, man, I actually this group is really interesting. 988 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: So what I learned other that THEO Theo Johnson is 989 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: that thin from Penn State is a kind of a 990 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: physical freak. Actually, yeah, you know, he's I think he 991 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: came in at two sixty five. I think he was 992 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: six six. He round a four to five nuts, jump 993 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: like thirty seven inches, also nuts, little stiff running routes, 994 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: but he can play in line and for him to 995 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: run like that is pretty impressive. Now, is he gonna 996 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: fight the football a little bit? Is he a little 997 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: stiff in the upper back, yes, but holy cal Like, 998 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: I did not know there was someone like that in 999 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: this class, and I didn't know that it was THEO 1000 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: Johnson either, But kudos to him, and I think he's. 1001 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 2: Something you learned, definitely something I learned. 1002 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 3: Definitely something that gives you some concern with this group. 1003 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: It's the lack of ideal measurables for a lot of them. 1004 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: So like Ben sinat Senate excuse me, from Kansas State, 1005 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: I think tested crazy, but he's like six ' four, 1006 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 1: he's like two fifty. 1007 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 2: Like what do you do you with him? 1008 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: Not because of the measurables, but because, like on film, 1009 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: he's like this past catching f you know, kind of 1010 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: receiving type tight end. But does he have the suddenness 1011 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: at the NFL it does he have because he for 1012 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: sure has a suddenness base and now he tested, But 1013 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: does he have the route running nuance to do it 1014 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: at the next level? 1015 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 3: Okay? 1016 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 2: Or is he a can correct correct? That would be 1017 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 2: my question with him. 1018 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of guys like that, you know, 1019 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: that are kind of like there's this, but this too, 1020 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: and there's it's hard to get a clear even with 1021 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: THEO Johnson, like your little stiff like can you ever 1022 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: be a pass catching Why. 1023 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 3: Was something confirmed for you? And in this does Jatavian 1024 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 3: Sanders Fred Smoot's guy fall in this? I kind of confirmed, Yeah, 1025 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 3: so I think for you. 1026 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: So I think the thing with him is like I 1027 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: just don't know what to do with him because I 1028 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: think he's pretty stiff hipped, and so he's very he's 1029 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: a very linear athlete, so he like runs straight fast. Uh, 1030 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: the problem with him is like, what do you do 1031 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: with a tight end that runs straight fast because most 1032 00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: of the routes they run. 1033 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 2: Think of Travis Kelsey. 1034 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: I think how he's kind of he's kind of like 1035 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: snaking his way through the defense and George Kittle kind 1036 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: of the same way. Mark Andrews kind of the same way. 1037 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: So what is his function at the next level? Is 1038 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: he basically like a big receiver? Is he smaller? And 1039 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 1: also he ran a four to seven as his first forty. 1040 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: He got it down. He got it down in that 1041 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: four to six range, which is great, So like, yeah, 1042 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: like what is like what is he? What is he really? 1043 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: You know, like, how do you utilize him? I thought 1044 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 1: he caught the ball better than I thought he would, 1045 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: like in terms of adjusting the football. So yeah, that's 1046 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about him, and I get 1047 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: those were questions I had about him from his film. Yeah, 1048 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,479 Speaker 1: so I think it's kind of confirmed. There also is like, yeah, 1049 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: what's the what's the role? And then Jared Wiley from TCU, 1050 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: I love the way he moves from a kind of 1051 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: flexibility standpoint, and I thought you saw that when he 1052 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,879 Speaker 1: caught the football on the drill. 1053 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 3: So all right, we're almost too quarterback. 1054 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 2: Almost almost. 1055 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 3: But we got to talk about the guys that protect them. 1056 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, what did you what did you 1057 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 3: learn about this class of tackles? 1058 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 2: Learned that it's a pretty freaky group, especially like in 1059 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: the top ten guys like very freaky big athletes. And 1060 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 2: Joe isn't he like the tallest He's like ever, I 1061 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 2: think he's the second tallest guy ever ever. Yeah, ever at. 1062 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: Nine it's like six eight and three fourths but yeah, 1063 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: let's give him six to nine. 1064 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's he's big. 1065 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 2: He's a big, tall guy. 1066 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: I came away with him kind of being like, he's 1067 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: a little bit stiffer than I thought he would be. 1068 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: And I think the height kind of explains some of 1069 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,479 Speaker 1: that because like, when you're that tall, it's just hard 1070 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: to be that bendy, you know. And I think the 1071 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: other thing is he looks like a little baby out 1072 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: there because he's, you know, he's twenty one. 1073 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 2: I think he's still kind of grown into his body, 1074 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 2: a little big baby. Yeah. I don't know about a 1075 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 2: little baby baby, do you know what I'm saying? 1076 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: Though he looks a little bit different than the other 1077 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: guy's got that. You look to the young baby face 1078 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: and a guy that definitely can fill out his frame, 1079 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: and I think you look at him and you say, like, 1080 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: that's great potential. But in the same way that Colston 1081 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: Miller for Las Vegas has a lot oftential. It took 1082 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: him four years to get there, So like, what are 1083 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 1: you getting with him? If you take him with I 1084 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: think he's still deserving him a top ten pick, but 1085 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: I just think the developmental period for him is probably 1086 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: a little bit longer. 1087 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 3: Where's your concern in this offensive line group? 1088 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: My concern is that, like after the top let's say 1089 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: seventeen guys, I get a little worried about who who 1090 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: can play at the NFL level. And there are guys 1091 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: that are good athletes, There are guys that are big, 1092 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: but there are they just don't look like they're physically 1093 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: developed yet. 1094 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 2: I think you got yes, yeah, yeah, and. 1095 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: It's very good, like I mean, like Patrick Paul, like 1096 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: Kingsley Sumataia, like Amar Mary Smims, like freaks, like absolute freaks. 1097 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: But after that, it's like kind of can I hate that. 1098 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: This is a question I hate as an evaluator, is 1099 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: can you physically ever play in the NFL. That's a 1100 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: question I hate asking because I don't like that uncertainty 1101 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: because you're saying, oh, if this guy gains twenty five pounds, 1102 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: if this guy can fix this technique, if this guy 1103 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: can do this, if this guy can do this, and 1104 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're like, I don't want 1105 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: to put my money on that, but I need a guard. 1106 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: I need a swing guard, I need a developmental peace. 1107 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna pick this guy because I like the 1108 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: person and I think he's going to develop. And I 1109 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: think that's why this class, in particular, after those let's 1110 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: say twenty just to make it easy, you're kind of like, 1111 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: where are we? And you know, like Patrick Paul, I 1112 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: think is a great example of this. He's a guy 1113 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: that in the pre draft process everyone had as a 1114 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: third round pick, but now after the combine, he's in 1115 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: first round mox and I think because you see the 1116 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: physical tools. He's six seven and a half, he's three 1117 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: thirty five, he's long, he's athletic, so he's going to 1118 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: push up the board, right, and so all these guys 1119 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: you thought, oh, maybe I can get him later. I 1120 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: don't think there's a chance of that now. 1121 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. We mentioned this one one of our previous podcasts 1122 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 3: when we dive into the O line that this group 1123 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 3: more than any other. It seems like you're measurables, how 1124 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 3: like how God built you. Yeah, is a big part, 1125 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 3: big part of what we're going to do with them. 1126 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 3: And you said a lot of that has to do 1127 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 3: with how college football is being played these days. 1128 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: That's one hundred. I'm glad you brought that up. Because 1129 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: college football, there's the spread. Now, they don't run a 1130 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: lot of pro style protections, they don't run a lot 1131 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: of pro style run schemes, so like, guys technically aren't developed. 1132 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: So you look at a guy like Tyler Guidon from Oklahoma, 1133 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: who again measured bigger than he was listed in college, 1134 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 1: which is crazy. He's been playing football for two years, 1135 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: playing offensive tackle for two years. They moved him from 1136 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: defensive end when he transferred from Texas Tech. You say, 1137 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this guy physically can do it so 1138 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: technically raw like ye, the footwork's not always right, the 1139 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: hand place is not always right, the physical strength isn't 1140 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: always elite. But he's a guy that you like to 1141 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: bet on because he's got the athletic profile. So imagine 1142 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: if I said, like, let's take player X who can't 1143 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: physically get in the positions I want, Like, is he 1144 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: ever going to be a good pro? As opposed to 1145 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: Tyler Guiden, who's physically capable of it and physically capable 1146 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: of doing it well. Kind of pushes you forward because 1147 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: now NFL offensive line coaches, you have to develop these guys, 1148 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: even guys that are really well established, you have to 1149 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: develop them at a high level. And I think that's 1150 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: where because of the college game, And that's why this 1151 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: group feels so weird to me is because it's it's 1152 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: like there are big athletic guys, but they're just going 1153 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: to be pushed up the board like crazy. Like Amarius 1154 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: Mams is a great example. He's played seven college football 1155 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,359 Speaker 1: games seven. Yeah, but he's one of the freakiest human 1156 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: beings ever to measure at the combine, so he's probably 1157 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: gonna go the first round. Yeah, And there is there 1158 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a projection there, one thousand percent, 1159 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: like what's his football IQ. He's still relatively he's twenty 1160 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: one years old. He's a baby. He's a baby by 1161 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: NFL standards now, and he's gonna go on in the 1162 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: first round as a developmental project. 1163 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna do the concern with this group and 1164 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a little rant and then we can 1165 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 3: move on. So all right, My concern is that we're 1166 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 3: having these guys run forty times. Yeah, there were so 1167 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 3: many injuries, Like it's not what they're built to do. 1168 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 3: And I understand we want one to one comparisons with 1169 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 3: what we have over the year, but there's got to 1170 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 3: be something else we can do for these three hundred 1171 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 3: sometimes three hundred and fifty plus guys to show their explosiveness, 1172 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 3: their burst. Then having them run forties where they're pulling 1173 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 3: their hamstrings, tearing acls and then we don't get to 1174 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 3: see them do drill work and it could affect their future. 1175 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 3: And that's frustrating for me. So that's a concern. We 1176 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 3: got to figure something out because it's fun watching these 1177 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 3: guys run forties, but at the same time, it is 1178 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 3: heartbreaking to see them just drop like flies. 1179 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: And it's also not fair to them too, because they've 1180 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: changed the structure of the combine. Right, So it used 1181 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: to be it was all done in three days. Everyone 1182 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: would kind of test back to back to back. You'd 1183 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: be in there and it would be done in three days. 1184 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: We were there for five days watching testing. They still 1185 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: had to be there on Wednesday for the medical stuff 1186 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: and for the interviews. They had to be there three 1187 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: days longer than everybody else. They run on Sunday, and 1188 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: they are the group that's most likely to not do 1189 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: well on this. So for me, it's like, if you 1190 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: want him to run forties, have them do it the 1191 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: first day they're there. 1192 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 2: They're primed up, they're. 1193 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: Not sitting in the hotel room for twelve hours at 1194 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: a time, they're not walking all these miles. If you're 1195 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,439 Speaker 1: going to do it, let's train the structure here. Because like, yeah, 1196 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, there were six guys who pulled 1197 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: their six guys, two of them are definitely going in 1198 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: the first round of Mary Smims and Olufashano. Yeah, I 1199 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: want to see those dudes run around. I want to 1200 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: see them do stuff, you know what I'm saying, And 1201 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: to not get that opportunity was it was extremely disappointing. 1202 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my little rant. Yeah, I was concerning, 1203 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 3: all right, we're here, We've made it to the quarterbacks. 1204 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,439 Speaker 3: Now we know Caleb Williams, Yeah, Jade and Daniels, Drake 1205 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 3: May they did not throw. They were there for interviews, 1206 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 3: they didn't throw. So that put the spotlight on Bonex, 1207 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:51,240 Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, Spencer Ratler, Joe Milton, Michael Pratt, 1208 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,440 Speaker 3: am I missing somebody, Sam Hartman. 1209 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,280 Speaker 2: San Hartman, and then the kid from Eastern Yeah, Leary. 1210 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: But those are the guys. Those the no offense to 1211 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: those other guys. Those are the guys you're there to watch. 1212 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 3: And so what was concerning about that group? 1213 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 1: What was concerning I think with the first group, so 1214 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: bon Nickx, JJ McCarthy, Joe Milton, and then. 1215 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 3: Hartman Hart there was a little. 1216 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 2: Bit of an accuracy issue from all of them. 1217 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: And I know JJ McCarthy is catching a lot of 1218 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: heat for that on social media, but they had a 1219 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: hard time and especially on the big outs and stuff 1220 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: of like lining up with the receiver and now some 1221 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: of that's the receiver, some of that's the quarterback. But 1222 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: that was the slightest bit concerning right, But I don't 1223 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: really put a lot of weight in that, like in 1224 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: terms of like the grand scheme of things, Like I'm 1225 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,959 Speaker 1: kind of like, did you hit every throw? I don't 1226 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: really care. If you don't have every throw at your 1227 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: pro day, then I'm going to care because you had 1228 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: time to prep this. You know, those guys like here, 1229 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,359 Speaker 1: it's like you're in a new environment. You're throwing new footballs, 1230 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 1: like you're throwing a guy you've never thrown to before. 1231 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: Like there was one time where Keon Coleman's runninger out 1232 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: and he falls down and slips bad coming out of 1233 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: the break and the ball, I'd say, by JJ's in 1234 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,919 Speaker 1: a pretty good spot and just misses. But I think 1235 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,760 Speaker 1: that's the receiver. That's new turf. 1236 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 2: It's all these different. 1237 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 3: Things they think of when you go play football with 1238 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 3: just like your family owned Thanksgiving or whatever, and your 1239 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 3: uncle decides, hey, I'm gonna run a four to four 1240 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 3: right now and just sprints. You're gonna underthrow them because 1241 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 3: like what are you doing? Uncle? Right? Like and then 1242 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 3: you have like your your your cousin or whatever, and 1243 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 3: she's like, I'm just gonna jog everything. So you're like 1244 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,839 Speaker 3: trying to I'm not saying that this group was like 1245 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,439 Speaker 3: that like wide receiver groups, but you don't know, you've 1246 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 3: never played with these guys. You're overthrown it. It takes 1247 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,839 Speaker 3: a second to figure out what each guy does does well, 1248 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,319 Speaker 3: how fast, where to put the ball for them. It 1249 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 3: makes a little bit. 1250 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 2: They all run the route like it's your point different, 1251 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,280 Speaker 2: like they all I think. 1252 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 3: They're all different. 1253 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,359 Speaker 2: They're all running it hard, they're all trying to get 1254 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 2: after it. I respect the hell out of that. It 1255 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,879 Speaker 2: looks different, looks different, the move different. Yeah yeah, all. 1256 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 3: Right, So what was confirmed? And why is it Joe 1257 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 3: Milton has a laser kit? 1258 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 2: Dude? 1259 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: It's because god man, he just was ripping that he 1260 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: does have a laser can and that's for sure. I 1261 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: think you know, we saw him do the ball velocity 1262 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: throw through sixty two miles an hour and then like 1263 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: they do this thing where they go through the whole 1264 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: route tree. 1265 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 2: It's like the last throw. 1266 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,319 Speaker 1: Of the day, and I'm like, Joe Milton's about to 1267 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: bomb this thing seventy yards like I knew it. 1268 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,359 Speaker 2: And then to see him. 1269 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 1: Take his drop, take that little giddya up, pause like 1270 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,720 Speaker 1: he's getting a cup of coffee, and then just aramel 1271 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: that thing in a perfect spiral seventy yards. 1272 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the thing that made the crowd oob 1273 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 3: before the ball even left, is he drops back and 1274 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 3: then just stands there because the receiver sprinting. Yeah, he 1275 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 3: still has to wait, yes, because his ball and he 1276 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 3: would pause for a good long time. I think the 1277 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,280 Speaker 3: receiver almost ran forty yards before you even let it go. 1278 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,880 Speaker 2: Which was which is wild. 1279 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 3: So that was pretty cool to see. 1280 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 2: It was very cool. And then like yeah, so that 1281 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 2: was so that was confirmed? Yea, you know what I mean? 1282 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 3: What was learned that A J. 1283 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: McCarthy's got a cannon for an arm, Like I knew that. 1284 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: I knew it was a good arm. But it's like 1285 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: watching him throw, Like, so watching Joe Milton throw, who's 1286 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: I think got the best arm that I've ever seen. 1287 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 3: Seventy yards was about what he was doing. 1288 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then to watch JJ do. 1289 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 3: It, which I had marked at sixty five yards. 1290 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,920 Speaker 1: Sixty five years and then he threw the ball sixty 1291 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: one miles an hour. Ye, the outs, the deep, crosses, 1292 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: the corners, like he can make every throw. And you know, 1293 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: I think bo Nix has a good arm, but JJ 1294 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: McCarthy was like, hold my beer, dude, check this out 1295 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: real quick. And that was something I knew it was. 1296 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: I knew they both had good arms, but the difference 1297 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 1: in the caliber, the physicality of the arm was was 1298 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: pretty dramatic. 1299 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 3: We talk about how Penix has a good arm, and 1300 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:43,959 Speaker 3: JJ's looked a little better. 1301 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 2: It looked significantly better. 1302 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,840 Speaker 1: And I think that was the that was crazy to 1303 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: me because I thought Penis had Like at the Senior 1304 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: Bowl Penis, I was like, dude, this arm's fantastic. Yeah, 1305 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: And then JJ gets out there, and I think the 1306 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: other thing is, like, I know he missed some throws 1307 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 1: to start, so I'm not trying to say it a 1308 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,800 Speaker 1: perfect day, but his ability to kind of layer throws 1309 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,399 Speaker 1: like Joe Milton's throwing a fastball every time he's back there, 1310 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: Panics are throwing a fastball every time he's back there. 1311 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,359 Speaker 1: But Ja DA's ability to kind of say, oh, I'm 1312 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: going to hit the hit the wedge. Here, I'm going 1313 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 1: to hit the driver. I'm gonna hit the putter. Like 1314 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,120 Speaker 1: I just it was. It was cool. It was cool 1315 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 1: to see and again it wasn't wasn't a perfect day, 1316 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: but to see that arm in person, I get. I 1317 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 1: don't want to say it was the most impressive thing 1318 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: of the weekend, but it was definitely top five because 1319 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 1: here's a guy that all of a sudden, all this 1320 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,880 Speaker 1: conversation about him being like a top ten pick. It 1321 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 1: starts to become way more clear as to why NFL 1322 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,760 Speaker 1: executives are so high on him, because you just can't 1323 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: coach that. And then I think, you know, obviously Joe 1324 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,799 Speaker 1: Milton's got the cannon, but then the deck steria to 1325 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: say I know how to use this tool in a 1326 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 1: way that these other guys don't know how to use. 1327 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: It was very, very impressive. 1328 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 3: That's the NFL combine logan. 1329 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: That is the NFL com that was we did it. Yeah, 1330 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,920 Speaker 1: we did it. Man went through everything. What did you learn, Jason? 1331 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,680 Speaker 1: What was the your big take I gave by take 1332 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: it back at the game. What's your big takeaway? 1333 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 3: What I learned? What I learned is that it's the 1334 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,799 Speaker 3: nuances that you're looking for in these guys that separate them. 1335 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,359 Speaker 3: And it's so minute that I would say that I thought, 1336 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 3: having been a fan of football for thirty years and 1337 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 3: have been watching it intently for the last twenty just 1338 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,160 Speaker 3: because of my age, right, that I knew what I 1339 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 3: was looking at, right, Like I can look at that 1340 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,319 Speaker 3: and say okay. But then when I get here and 1341 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,960 Speaker 3: I see especially top end, like wide receiver for example, 1342 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 3: especially top end, I go, wow, they're all good. So 1343 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 3: I start realizing that my opinions on these guys come 1344 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 3: a lot from the medium and what has been told 1345 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 3: to me. So sitting here and listening to you to 1346 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 3: describe look at his hips here, look at his legs here, 1347 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 3: look at how he chops here like you want it smooth, 1348 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 3: you don't want him to jump, like you're saying all 1349 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 3: these things, and it's like, I've never noticed those because 1350 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 3: it's it happens so fast and you have to look 1351 00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 3: for it. You know what to look for in order 1352 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,600 Speaker 3: to see it. So I would say that, like, yeah, 1353 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 3: I can look and I can see Santana Moss is 1354 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 3: like a superpower in his change of direction speed, But 1355 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 3: why does he do that? So well. And it's how 1356 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 3: he uses his hips right, how he keeps his He 1357 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 3: never his speed, never slows down, even when his feet 1358 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 3: are doing different things right. Like I never could say that, 1359 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 3: I could just say, oh, look at that, right, that 1360 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 3: was lightning. I saw it now being able to describe 1361 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 3: exactly hen see how he sunk his hips, how he 1362 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 3: keep his feet there, like, that's what I'm starting to learn. 1363 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,959 Speaker 3: I don't have it down. That's what I'm learning here 1364 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 3: is that that's what the combine's for. You're finding those 1365 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 3: little things that are going to separate somebody from going 1366 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 3: in the top ten to the end of the first round. 1367 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 3: And they are so small, and you've got to know 1368 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 3: what you're looking for, and you got to have someone 1369 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 3: teach it to you, to be honest, like it's it's 1370 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,280 Speaker 3: not instinctial. 1371 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: And we're on the Command Center show, the main show. 1372 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: We're going to break down some of those drills this 1373 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: week and so kind of give some of that insight. 1374 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: Hopefully that helps people kind of when they say, oh, 1375 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: this is a good this is a good gauntlet drill. 1376 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 2: This is bad gallant drill. Soot that why is it? 1377 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had we had somebody sitting behind us when 1378 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 3: we were watching gauntlet drills, and one of them said 1379 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 3: to the other they were they were just fans, they're 1380 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 3: just watching. And they were like, so if everybody catches 1381 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 3: the ball, what are you learning from this, right, because 1382 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,280 Speaker 3: that's what they think. Just drill is about catching the ball. 1383 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 3: Of course, catching the ball is important, right, But then 1384 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 3: you told me, well, you want to they don't want 1385 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 3: to leave their feet. It needs to be same speed 1386 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 3: all the way through. You want to see that they're 1387 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 3: in a nice straight line, like you're telling me all 1388 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 3: these things. You're looking for that maybe he drops a ball, 1389 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,840 Speaker 3: but it looks better than the guy that catches. And 1390 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 3: I didn't know any of that. I didn't know any 1391 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,280 Speaker 3: of that because no one told me, no one showed 1392 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 3: it to me, no one explained it to me. And 1393 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 3: you do an excellent job at that which I was 1394 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 3: seat get got me the best seat in the house, 1395 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 3: which was right next to you during the combine. And 1396 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 3: you know Fred Santana, they're both very good at explaining 1397 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 3: the nuances of their positions in particular, so having the 1398 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 3: three of you guys on command center, especially during this process, 1399 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 3: is awesome. Our fan should definitely check it out, especially 1400 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 3: when you're doing field demos and film breakdowns. But yeah, 1401 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 3: that's what I learned. That's pretty long winded. That's a 1402 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 3: lot of you staring at the camera. 1403 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,200 Speaker 2: No, but I think that's good. But I think that's good. 1404 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 2: That's very good. 1405 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. 1406 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thanks for joining us. Yeah, appreciate it. 1407 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 2: That's it, that's it.