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Speaker 2: Thankful for you on this Thanksgiving Day for being a

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Speaker 2: listener here on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to the best of Clay Travis and

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Gladwell probably, I think the most famous non fiction

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Speaker 3: celebrity author in America. Would you buy into that designation

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Speaker 3: in terms of book sells, I don't know that anybody

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Speaker 3: would have sold more copies than him.

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Speaker 4: It's him and Michael Lewis probably for our to go

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Speaker 4: to the last twenty years or so, those would be

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Speaker 4: the two that I think are. I met him in France,

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Speaker 4: by the way, for the iHeart event, so I actually

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Speaker 4: met mister Gladwell for the first we shook hands.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he wouldn't you know, He.

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Speaker 4: Had no idea who I was like, hey man, yeah,

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Speaker 4: so yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to play a cut for him. I

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Speaker 3: imagine a lot of you have read his books. Tipping

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Speaker 3: Point is probably the most famous, but he's got a

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Speaker 3: ton of different books, and I think he has a

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Speaker 3: very popular podcast. So I would bet a huge percentage

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Speaker 3: of you are familiar with who Malcolm Gladwell is. So

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Speaker 3: let me take you behind the scenes a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: I sold my company OutKick to Fox in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: On Super Bowl Sunday twenty twenty one, we made two

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Speaker 3: million dollars in affiliate revenue for from FanDuel. That is

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Speaker 3: that Super Bowl Day. The company that I ran, we

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Speaker 3: and founded. We were one of the top affiliates in

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Speaker 3: the entire country. So if you were watching Tom Brady

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Speaker 3: our company and to a large extent me made more

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Speaker 3: money than anybody playing in that game. On sports gambling

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Speaker 3: affiliate referral deals we were for FanDuel, which is the

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Speaker 3: biggest sports affiliate company sports gambling company in the country.

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Speaker 3: We were either their best or second best affiliate partner

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Speaker 3: in the country. Pat McAfee, who now is at ESPN,

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Speaker 3: was also wildly profitable for them. We were their too

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Speaker 3: best at helping to promote and I love sports gambling obviously.

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Speaker 3: We've got a great relationship with Price Picks, which ties

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Speaker 3: in here with that. We made six seven million dollars

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Speaker 3: as a part of the company sold the company. FanDuel

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Speaker 3: said they wouldn't work with me anymore, Buck because I

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Speaker 3: was too outspoken on the trans sports issue. This is

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Speaker 3: a sports gambling company. They said Clay is too controversial

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Speaker 3: because he is saying men should not be competing in

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Speaker 3: women's sports, and FanDuel is worried about the controversy that

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Speaker 3: he brings for being so outspoken on that issue. As

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Speaker 3: a result, FanDuel refused to work with me, and as

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Speaker 3: a result, refused to work withoutkick So me merely saying

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Speaker 3: men should not be able to compete in women's athletics

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Speaker 3: cost the company that I founded and owned around seven

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Speaker 3: million dollars a year. I don't know how much money

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Speaker 3: you guys make, but seven million dollars a year for

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Speaker 3: a media company is a big, huge part of what

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Speaker 3: allows the company to be profitable to employ tons of people.

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Speaker 3: But as a matter of principle, I said, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to stop talking about this, even though FanDuel is saying, well,

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Speaker 3: you're too controversial for saying this. So the reason why

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Speaker 3: I give you that backstory is it was even though

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Speaker 3: it's one hundred percent the right thing to say, it

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Speaker 3: took hutzba It took sometimes turning away from millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars to say what I personally believe to be true

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Speaker 3: and allow the company to be at the forefront of

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Speaker 4: Is no, no, no, no, no, no, not what you not

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Speaker 4: what you personally believe to be true, what is undeniably, unequivocally,

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Speaker 4: obviously and as clear as anything could be true, which

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Speaker 4: I think is important. You weren't penalized, Clay for an opinion.

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Speaker 4: You were penalized for a fact, which is a whole

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Speaker 4: that is Soviet Union level stuff. That is everyone who's starving.

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Speaker 4: Say the grain harvest is the biggest grain harvest of

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Speaker 4: all time. That is a manufactured delusion, my friend.

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Speaker 3: And if you wonder why did people not step up

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Speaker 3: willing to make this argument. It's because the big advertising

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Speaker 3: out along. This is the truth. Nobody else will even

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Speaker 3: tell you this. I'm telling you directly. Okay, Malcolm Gladwell

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Speaker 3: And he and everybody else on that panel at the

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Speaker 3: refused to speak out against men competing in women's sports

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Speaker 3: because the consequences were real. What I just told you,

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Speaker 3: it could cost your company millions of dollars, It could

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Speaker 3: They were very targeted in the way that they attacked here.

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Speaker 3: And now he's come out, this just happened yesterday, and

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Gladwell says, Hey, I was bullied, I was cowed.

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Speaker 3: I was afraid of the consequences, and now I'm going

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Speaker 3: to tell you the truth. Men shouldn't be able to

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Speaker 3: compete in women's sports.

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Speaker 6: To listen, if we did a replay of that exact

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Speaker 6: in exactly the opposite direction, and it would be I

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Speaker 6: suspect near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have

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Speaker 6: no place in the female category. I don't think this

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Speaker 6: I mean, I felt. I mean the reason I'm ashamed

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Speaker 6: of my performance of that panel because I share your

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Speaker 6: of saying anything on this issue. I was in a

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Speaker 6: I believe in retrospect in a dishonest way.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 6: I was objective in a dishonest way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I give him credit for coming out and being

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Speaker 3: honest about this. I think this is so incredibly important

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Speaker 3: because there are consequences. Unfortunately, when you are willing to

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Speaker 3: speak the truth, your qualification is important there. This is

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Speaker 3: not This is not me arguing what the tax rate

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Speaker 3: in Moldova should be, and we're sitting around and we're like, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is his Dudes are not chicks, and

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Speaker 1: That is what this is.

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Speaker 3: Even in the world of sports, it's beyond that buck

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Speaker 3: because you're saying men don't have a competitive advantage, or

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Speaker 3: you're sitting around you're saying, well, we have to do studies.

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Speaker 1: No, men are.

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Speaker 4: Bigger, stronger and faster than women, you know, but underlying

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Speaker 4: all of it, underlying all of it, and this has

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Speaker 4: to be remembered is that trans for example, and this

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Speaker 4: actual foundational mandatory belief of the trans movement, right is

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Speaker 4: that they transplate what is the phrase trans women are women? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and that's why they should be able to play in

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Speaker 1: That is a lie.

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Speaker 3: I think this is important though, and I see this everywhere,

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Speaker 3: this happen? It was if you were willing to speak

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Speaker 3: out on this issue. Advertisers said, I can't. I won't

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Speaker 3: work with this person anymore. And I'm talking about a

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Speaker 3: friggin sports gambling company. You think that it's a coincidence

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Speaker 3: that that they're, of all companies that should be one

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Speaker 3: that recognized, hey, men and women's sports is ridiculous. They

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Speaker 3: actually pushed back and they said, even though you, Clay

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Speaker 3: and your company have made us tens of millions of dollars,

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Speaker 3: which we had objective reality you could look at and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: people love this, they wouldn't spend money with us anymore.

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Speaker 3: And this is how they control what people say. Because

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Speaker 3: most people are not willing to give up the money.

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Speaker 3: They just pretend this story didn't exist. It wasn't that

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Speaker 3: everybody was as outspoken in as Gladwell is saying there.

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Speaker 3: It was just that a lot of companies just pretended

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you care about that. Why you

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Speaker 4: Well, this is always that. This is always the progression. Right,

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Speaker 4: it's not happening. It's not happening that much. Why do

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Speaker 4: Uh to, It's good, it's happening. Shut your face. We're

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Speaker 4: in charge now. And this is this is this was COVID,

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Speaker 4: this is trans this, this is that is the the

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Speaker 4: slippery slope of leftism in America today. It has to progressivism,

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Speaker 4: it has to progress The argument always has to go

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Speaker 4: to the next level. And it's all based on lies,

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Speaker 4: because of course it is happening because they know what's happening,

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Speaker 4: to do more of it, but they use an incrementalist

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Speaker 4: strategy to chip away at things and for gladwell become

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Speaker 4: out now, Clay, Yeah, because everything has changed now Now

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Speaker 1: Now you can actually because people like.

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Speaker 3: I will say, Buck, I give him some credit for

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Speaker 1: I think that is true.

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Speaker 3: Five years from now, there will not be a single

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Speaker 3: was okay? Oh no, no, men pretending to be women

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Speaker 3: were competing. I disagree with that. There will be people, Clay.

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Speaker 4: There are people that will take this to the very

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Speaker 4: they think that they will find their way back into power,

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Speaker 4: back into the culture. Twenty percent of the country is

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Speaker 4: never going to abandon this. Twenty percent of the country

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Speaker 4: is certifiably insane. I mean they think the common Harris

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Speaker 1: These people are nuts.

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Speaker 3: Well I say this, I mean people who are actual

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Speaker 3: the woman would win, I actually give them a pass

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Speaker 3: because they're so clueless on the difference of biology. But

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Speaker 3: any man, I mean this honestly, any man who has

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Speaker 3: And where it matters is if they can get you

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Speaker 3: the left wing agenda because they've cowed you into silence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and you've you've basically become complicit in your

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Speaker 4: Hear from all of you all across this great land

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Speaker 7: Don't be hating on people who sports the robe. Yes,

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Speaker 7: it is a lifestyle. I'm retiring. Well, I'm not a

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Speaker 7: I'm an avid fly fisherman, have built several poles, So

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Speaker 4: Rena, you are someone who is holding a line on

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Speaker 1: Renee is very civilized. Buck, I love that.

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Speaker 1: All of you. That's right.

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Speaker 3: We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.

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Speaker 4: Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay

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Speaker 3: And there are tons of videos that are going viral

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Speaker 3: You've been there, buck one of the greatest neighborhoods I

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Speaker 3: this of little kids trying to avoid a treat, right

436
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: and they basically come in and they say, hey, if

437
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: you can wait a certain amount of time, will give

438
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: you two. And so there's a treat on the table

439
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: and it's sometimes a cookie donut. I think it started

440
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 3: with marshmallows, and they'll be like, hey, little if you

441
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: can wait, then we'll give you double. And what they

442
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: have been able to find is the kids that are

443
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: able to defer the reward have overwhelmingly higher levels of

444
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 3: success than the kids who take the immediate gratification in

445
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: front of them. And to me, this is a sign

446
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: of that, right, hey, you're still going to get a

447
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: lot of candy. I mean, my son came home with

448
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 3: a whole a pillowcase full of candy. But you have

449
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: to put in the time to go from one house

450
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 3: to another, or you can run up and dump the

451
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: whole thing in at once. I think you're going to

452
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: see that the life results are actually negative for the

453
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Speaker 3: kids that are doing this.

454
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Speaker 4: There's also very clear, very clear data on delaying gratification

455
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Speaker 4: and IQ level. So now you start to get it

456
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Speaker 4: to this part of the conversation as well. Higher IQ

457
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: corresponds directly with a greater likelihood to be willing to

458
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Speaker 4: delay gratification for better reward. So this is true. Any

459
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: of you can, you can check this out. Dumber people

460
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: want it right now? Yeah, just true? No, I mean

461
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 4: look and look.

462
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Speaker 3: For being a parent, I would argue one of the

463
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Speaker 3: most important things you do as a parent is teach

464
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Speaker 3: your kids to play the long game.

465
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Speaker 1: Get good grades in school.

466
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Speaker 3: Do you get immediate gratification because you make good grades

467
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Speaker 3: in school in eighth grade? Not necessarily. Do you get

468
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Speaker 3: immediate gratification for doing your homework every single night, for

469
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Speaker 3: showing up at class, for taking tough courses. Not immediately,

470
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: But you play the long game and overtime, good decisions

471
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: lead to better outcomes. And this is a big part,

472
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Speaker 3: you know, candidly, of what I wrote about. And I'm

473
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 3: asking you to go buy the book, to buy the

474
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: book Balls. It's all about how do we raise better, younger,

475
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Speaker 3: more successful men. And this is something that I spend

476
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: a lot of time thinking about. And when I saw

477
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: these videos of these porch pirates, stealing all the candy.

478
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: I couldn't help but think there's a lot of absent dads,

479
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: I bet, and moms, but particularly dads when it comes

480
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: to bad behavior by kids. So you got to be shameless.

481
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: The book is out tomorrow. I asked you in the

482
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Speaker 3: first hour I'm gonna talk about it tomorrow. Can you

483
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: drive this to the top ten best sellers on Amazon.

484
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: That would mean a tremendous amount to me, all of

485
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: the proceeds going to charity. Just got to sell the

486
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: book is Balls. I'm holding it up on the video

487
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: feed from our New York City studio. You're going to

488
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: see me all over Fox News selling this book. But

489
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: it would mean a lot to me if you guys

490
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: would go buy a copy and give it to someone else.

491
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: Buy a copy for somebody that you think needs some

492
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: balls in their life, either metaphorically speaking. Again, it's everywhere.

493
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: It's going to be in every bookstore. My name Clay Travis.

494
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: The book is Ball. Please go buy it. Buck's gonna

495
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: have a book out in uh in January.

496
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Speaker 1: I'm told the publisher is very happy. I bought a

497
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Speaker 1: copy of Balls.

498
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: I got Balls on the way.

499
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: He got Balls on the way. His roommate who loves

500
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: Polish sausages told him, Hey, you might as well add

501
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: some balls to it too.

502
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna throw this out there because I

503
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: didn't want to. I didn't want to start this once again,

504
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: because he actually is a real roommate from the Chicago area.

505
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 7: Uh.

506
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: He also was a robe guy.

507
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: Which maybe is not surprising Polish sausage, this guy being

508
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: a robe guy.

509
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that you know it would just

510
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: say it.

511
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: He also would walk around our dorm room in h

512
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Speaker 4: in a row or you know, our dorm housing in

513
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: a robe all the time. So Polish sausage and robe

514
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: they can go hand in hand.

515
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: You never know.

516
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: We got an email rolling in here from a VIP

517
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: I thought this was funny. Matt Wright caught up yesterday

518
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: on the Sunday Hang. I encourage all of you. Sunday

519
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 3: Hang is fun, just like a not very serious. If

520
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: you're just looking for something to hang with, it's a

521
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: great name for it. Producer ally puts this together. I

522
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: have a bone to pick with you for two horrible

523
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: takes number one, and I'm gonna stand by these takes, Buck,

524
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: but I want you to hear them. Chick fil A

525
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: biscuits are terrible, way too sweet. Your credibility took a

526
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: nose dive after hyping them up. I will go to

527
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: war that Chick fil A biscuits are amazing, and I

528
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: bet I have an entire army of people lining up

529
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: behind me. Matt, you're wrong on that second part.

530
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Speaker 1: Here.

531
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Speaker 3: You grilled Buck on why he showered in a swimsuit

532
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: with his dog, Ginger after she rolled around in poop.

533
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: Paraphrasing Buck's response, I wanted to protect my man region

534
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: from dog peep dog poop. How about I don't want

535
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: to shower with my dog naked. That'd be a strange

536
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: thing to do. And then he comes after me, and

537
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: then he comes after me. Hold on, Clay, love you man,

538
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: But after hearing your sentiment on nudity, you strike me

539
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: as one of the old guys at the gym who

540
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: chills in the locker room for way too long, strikes

541
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: up conversations with everyone while all caps fuck naked.

542
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: Cheers. Fella, keep up the good work.

543
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: I think it would. I think I understand your argument

544
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: for why you were in a swimsuit. I think it's

545
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: weirder to be in the shower with the dog in

546
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: a swimsuit.

547
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: Can we swim trunks? Can we call them swim trunks

548
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: or something? Or swim shorts?

549
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: You know, swimsuit makes it sound like I'm wearing a

550
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: one piece in there, But yes, yes, swimsuit.

551
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't think the dog would be troubled by your nudity.

552
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: And and maybe I I, I.

553
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: Well, may this may shock the collar. The dog is

554
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: naked when it sleeps in my bed every night. The

555
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: dog is constantly walking. The dog walks around my house

556
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: naked all the time. Doesn't even care, So I don't

557
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: think the dog minds. I'll also point this out. I'm

558
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: not a locker room naked guy, but I don't care

559
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: if people see me naked. Most of my life has

560
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: been trying to get people to be willing to see

561
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: me naked as a single man. We have a new

562
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: house that we built.

563
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: The window, the mirrors, I mean the uh the window

564
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: treatments are not in yet, and there are people building

565
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: across the street. I just walked through right naked. My

566
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: wife is like, oh my god, they're gonna see you.

567
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: Why do I care? It's all male construction workers. Now, she,

568
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: because she is a woman, is used to people trying

569
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: to see her naked, so she protects her nudity. I

570
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: got no issues if people want to watch me as

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: I'm walking from my shower to go get my first

572
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: is not that exciting of a view for the construction guys.

573
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm not going to.

574
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: Be running across like the room like trying to shield

575
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: myself like there's some like great scandal of minudity.

576
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: So maybe I am the old actually blown right now?

577
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: Brian and Wooster, I said that Buck needs to prepare

578
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: himself for Gavin Newsom to be campaigning in the South

579
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: and suddenly debut a great and by great.

580
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean ridiculous Southern accent. Uh.

581
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: And I said we need a mixture between Keanu Reeves

582
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: and a guy from Mobile, Alabama. And Brian says he's

583
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: got a theory for you, Buck, on a little bit

584
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: of research.

585
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Let's play. Ahh.

586
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 7: If you want to hear what Keanu Reeves would sound

587
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 7: like if he was born in the South, all you

588
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 7: have to do is watch Devil's Advocate with him and Pacino,

589
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 7: one of the worst Southern accents ever put on film.

590
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: I think we have a clip of that, Buck. This

591
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: is what Keanu sounded like, actually, it was a pretty

592
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: good movie. I thought Devil's Advocate back in the day.

593
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot worse movies. But here's

594
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: what he sounded like.

595
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 7: How about Cullen, how's it going? Have youth on beam?

596
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: That's a long conversation. I want to come up and

597
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: tell me.

598
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: Now, let's talk tomorrow.

599
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: All right, So there's Keanu.

600
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: You can go watch Devil's Advocates and I that was

601
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: a pretty bad Southern accent. I don't recall it. He's

602
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: an attorney JJ Don in Florida. I think he this

603
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: is the worst Southern accent in a movie. Don what

604
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: you got for us?

605
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: Hey, claym Buck, you want the war a Southern accent?

606
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: Look at Nicholas Cage and con Air.

607
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage and con Air is a the bunned Down.

608
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: I remember that.

609
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: It is an unbelievably awful Southern accent. It's not an

610
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: awful movie. I mean, given the premise.

611
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's an absurd movie, but not an

612
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: awful movie. Right, That's that's yes, Yes, that's what I'm saying.

613
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: Like the premise is ridiculous and it shouldn't be as good.

614
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: I mean much like honestly, the uh, the movie about

615
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: the the oh, what's it called?

616
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: The rock?

617
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: The Rock from the nineteen nineties, the Alcatraz movie with

618
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage is actually a really fun movie.

619
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: It's patently absurd in many differences talked to bottom. Yes,

620
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: yea possibly, but really a fun watch. And uh and

621
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: those are these let's uh, let's play this. Maybe we

622
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: can talk about this a bit tomorrow, Buck. Karine Jean

623
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: Pierre has got a book out, I guess, and she's

624
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: doing all sorts of touring. And I want to roll

625
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: over a couple of these cuts. The other one, roll

626
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: it over, guys. But let's play this first one from

627
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: Karine Jean Pierre. She's asked whether she basically bears any

628
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: blame at all for Joe Biden. Listen to her answer.

629
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: This is perfect watch Charin, Do you have any regrets

630
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 3: at all for anything that you said while you were

631
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: speaking on behalf of this administration.

632
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Look, it's a simple answer.

633
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: No, no, no, Because you're asking for answer, no question.

634
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 5: I want to put some context to it too. I

635
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 5: woke up every day, I woke up every day very

636
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 5: proud to be the White House Press secretary.

637
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 8: I woke up every day.

638
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 5: As a as a black woman who is queer, who

639
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 5: had never no one had ever seen someone like me

640
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: at that podium, standing behind that lecture. It was an

641
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: honor and a privilege to have that job, and I

642
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: did it to the best of my abilities.

643
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Immediately going to no, you know, we covered up.

644
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: We lied about a guy who had no business being

645
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: in the White House too. Oh well, let me talk

646
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: about the fact that I'm black and gay in case

647
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: you didn't know, rather than actually answer your question.

648
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 8: Yeah.

649
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: I think that her book is going over so poorly

650
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: that it actually has made one hundred and seven days

651
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: Kamala's book which you left me behind on the battlefield

652
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: to read solo, which was way harsh. I think that

653
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: Karine Jean Pierre's book is even more negatively received by

654
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Speaker 4: Democrats than Kamala's book was, which tells you a lot

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