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Speaker 3: Amazing, Great, that's what.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: I have to move off this chair though, because it's

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Speaker 3: going to sound like I'm farting the whole podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubsentners Podcast. That's

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Speaker 3: how we start our podcast here in New York City.

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Speaker 3: We are in my apartment today because we want to

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Speaker 3: continue to watch the tennis while we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Our pod, and we can't miss a minute of tennis.

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Speaker 3: No, and I am of course joined by the one

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Speaker 3: and only Caitlyn Thompson and Caitlin. People have been asking

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Speaker 3: for Petko to return. How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: I feel great about Petko. I would like to fire

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Speaker 2: myself and replace myself with Petko. Everyone acknowledges that she's unparalleled.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we love Petko.

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Speaker 1: We want her back.

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Speaker 3: She's coming back around Thanksgiving time, so everybody calm the

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Speaker 3: farm until then. She's rather busy in Europe promoting her

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Speaker 2: But I do enjoy languages. But German has not been

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Speaker 2: Yep. She's a pug puppy and about the same size

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Speaker 2: Get they kind of are who They's the same thing

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Speaker 2: Things, all the things. The tennis is great, and Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Let's work on this.

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Speaker 2: Get at us because knows I'm talking about covering body.

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Speaker 1: Cocoa Goff.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I said on our last

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Speaker 3: She served two against Pogola. But Caitlin, that's my point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cuckoo look great, And actually that match made me

439
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 2: really excited about her section because I think she and

440
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: Ega will have a very very competitive match on a

441
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: surface that slightly kind of favors neither of them because

442
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: they're both a little bit better on clay. I would

443
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 2: say Ega is better on clay, then Coco is better

444
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: on hard courts. Yes, but I do think that this

445
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: is a slight advantage to Coco, and I'm really excited

446
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: to see how they're going to match up because they

447
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: kind of have similar games in a way that I

448
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: think like Coco's offense will be effective as she plays

449
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 2: as well as she did against Jess Bagola, So yeah,

450
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: I was really encouraged to see that, and not only

451
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: the double faulting. Just it was pretty comprehensive. I will

452
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: say Jess quite tired, Yeah to me, yeah, which is

453
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: not to make excuses. Coco played great and all credit. Yeah,

454
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: very strange, just did not look like she wanted to

455
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Speaker 2: have her season keep going.

456
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Speaker 1: Yes, which way fair well.

457
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Speaker 3: The flip side of those matches was, of course Ega

458
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: coming back from a set and three love two breaks

459
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 3: to Babora Jikoba.

460
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: That was right. That's when I started watching. I blame myself.

461
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: So you're the lucky chump for Did you guys hear that?

462
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: Did you guys hear that?

463
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: When started watching, she started winning. So she played so

464
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: much better once she started hitting the ball in the court.

465
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: And Borajkova is one of those players somebody, you know, funny,

466
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: We've brought it up before, but someone said, how to

467
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: Bborakjikova win Wimbledon? And she said, because I once ever

468
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: matches in a row. She is the type of player

469
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: when she's on, she's so good, and she's so tough

470
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 3: and so smooth. And I think I did tweet out

471
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: something like when she's smooth, she's so good, but then

472
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 3: when she goes off, she really goes off. It's like

473
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 3: she doesn't seem to find that middle ground area with

474
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: her game, and Eager started to You could tell that

475
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: Eager was like, Okay, started to relax, started to find

476
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: her rhythm a little bit, started playing great in the

477
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: third set, like she was hitting the ball really really

478
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: well in the third and clocking winners all over the place,

479
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: and Babora was just like done.

480
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: But the thing.

481
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: About this tournament is that every game and every match counts,

482
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 3: like every single set, every single game counts. It can

483
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: come back on games won and lost for sure. So

484
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: the fact that Krajikova wana set doesn't count her out,

485
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 3: like for example, Coco won in straight sets, Like for

486
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: someone like Jess to get through, she's going to have

487
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 3: to win both her matches, it seems like, in straight sets.

488
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of variables that go on in

489
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: the WTA finals and literally games can get you through

490
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: the semi finals. So it's going to be interesting to

491
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: see who can come out between the likes of Eager

492
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: and Coco and who can dominate in this part of

493
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: the draw. Now because Kjikov has got a set. Okay,

494
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: that counts, So how will you know the next couple

495
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: of matches go. It'll be interesting, yeah, for sure.

496
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: And on the other side, we're seeing suddenly a second match.

497
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: She beat chin one in the first round pretty handily.

498
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 2: And Elena Rebukina, I gotta say we were sort of

499
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: she was a big question mark when we talked about

500
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Speaker 2: this last week because she's not played in a couple

501
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: of months. Very very very excited to see that Elena

502
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: Rebekin is going to be working with Goran even ease

503
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Speaker 2: of it.

504
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what on my list of us to talk about. Yeah,

505
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: I think it's good because he first of all, he's

506
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: going to be eight thousand times more positive than the

507
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: dude before, which we know how we felt about him,

508
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: and Gorin has course been there and done that. And

509
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: that was one of the things that irked me about

510
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 3: the previous coach I'm not even going to say his name,

511
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: is that every time she would look up in big moments,

512
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 3: he would be gesturing. He would be you know, she

513
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: would miss a forehand and he would be like, you know,

514
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: gesturing negatively, be talking to the people around him, and

515
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: it's like when you play. And I said this years

516
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: ago when we first brought this up. I have been

517
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: in those moments. I have been on match point to

518
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: win Grand slams. I have not in singles but in doubles,

519
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: but I have been out there. I have played Grand

520
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: Slam tennis. I've looked up on my coaches when I've

521
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: missed a forehand and my forehand was my weakness if

522
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: I saw them gesturing, and you better believe I'm not

523
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: exactly film positive about the next foehand that I hear

524
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: like I am shitting myself, going, oh my god, Like

525
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 3: I know, I need you to be supportive of me.

526
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Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about it with Sam Stow's for example.

527
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: You know when Sam would miss aforehand return, she would

528
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: just she said to me later, you know, when I

529
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: was coaching her, She's like, I just need you to

530
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: tell me in those moments, you got this. And I

531
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: learned a lot from that from her. You know, instead

532
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: of trying to correct it for her, like get your

533
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: racket back earlier, or finish the shot or whatever sort

534
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: of Q words, she would just say, you got this

535
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: because these tennis players know how to make the shot.

536
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: You just got to make them feel good about it. Yeah,

537
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: And this guy, every time he would be out there,

538
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: he'd be just gesturing, looking like he wanted to kill

539
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: her every time she lost a point. Goran, on the

540
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: other hand, is going to be positive. He's going to

541
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: be he's going to understand what it feels like to

542
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: be vulnerable. He's going to be empathetic. The guy was

543
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: a bit of a mental case.

544
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Speaker 2: On the court himself, and very famously self aware about that, Yes,

545
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 2: aspect of himself, which I love, Yes, which I love. Like, Yes,

546
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: he was a maniac, but he'd be like, Yeah, I

547
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: would go out there and I don't know what Goran

548
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: would be, Yeah, out there with me?

549
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: Well, we know which one he's going to get with

550
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: Rebark in it. It's going to be, you know, poker

551
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: face the whole time. So he's going to love the

552
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: fact that he's working with somebody who's not going to

553
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 3: be demonstrative like him or Goro or Novak. To be honest,

554
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: Novak was you know, knew what you were going to

555
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: get out of him sometimes yelling and screaming at Goron.

556
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: But I'm excited for it because I think it really

557
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: can make a difference for her.

558
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Me too, And I will say, you know, we weren't

559
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: sure what kind of player was going to show up,

560
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: but we know we're rooting for her. And I think

561
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: despite the fact that she lost both of her matches

562
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: to open, she got a set off Chin one yep,

563
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: and she played two pretty close.

564
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: Sets against Paulini.

565
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: Sets against Paulini in a way that made me think, Okay,

566
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: she's not far off from the level this has actually

567
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: got to be. Despite sitting where she says now at

568
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: own two like actually a pretty positive outcome and she's got,

569
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: you know, a year to look forward to where she's

570
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: with a new coach who will be more positive. Like

571
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: to me, there's nothing but upside for her, which.

572
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm excited for the fact that she looks healthy. Yeah,

573
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: she looks happy out there. Yeah, she looks like her

574
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: old self. There is no way she was going to

575
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: do well at this tournament. I would have been shocked

576
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: if she'd won a match, and I all sort of

577
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: have been like, Wow, what extraordinary talent to come back

578
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: after months and months and not you know, play well

579
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: enough to be competitive with these best players in the world.

580
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 3: All these players have been playing for the last three

581
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: months she has not.

582
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: And coming into this with confidence, with a ton of momentum,

583
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: and I mean maybe not eager, but yeah, like.

584
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: Well she's played since the US Open, but she did,

585
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, from coming back from a set and three

586
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: love showed her champion qualities of not tanking but not

587
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: giving up. Also, she was very aware of shit, I

588
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: need to win games right, So they're very aware of that.

589
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the old World tim tennis, you know,

590
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: standpoint of what Billy Geane used to say that every

591
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: point should matter, every game should matter. So that's what

592
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: that's what the WTA Championships does. It actually makes you

593
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: make sure you don't tank a set because that could

594
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: cost you getting into semi finals, which is a lot

595
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: of money. We are sitting here, it's a set and

596
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: two all Sabaalanca just broke back Paulini. But Paulini, there

597
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: was something you was said on Twitter the other day

598
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: from I think it was maybe someday somebody who writes

599
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: to me quite often. How can Paulini so little beat

600
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: someone like Rebakina. I'm like, dude, I'm like, have you

601
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: seen her play tennis? She's so good, she doesn't have

602
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: a weakness and he was just mentioning or she, I

603
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: don't know who, maybe someday isn't boy or girl, but

604
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 3: they were saying, oh, how can she do that?

605
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: She's so little, blah blah blah.

606
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's been a lot of little small tennis

607
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: s pliers that done quite well.

608
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: But I do think for somebody who's maybe not watching

609
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: with a ton of nuance, what I find really interesting

610
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: and useful, which is why the Amanda Kutzers of the world,

611
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: Alisa Raymonds, the Diego Schwartzman's, you know, the.

612
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Five Hey, sorry, Caitlin.

613
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: What's amazing about them is just that they are incredible athletes.

614
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: I would argue, pound for pound, probably better athletes than

615
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: the big players. They don't have to be. Uh, the

616
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: big big players don't have to be. Is incredible at

617
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: movement and a lied to cover court, not to say

618
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: that some of them aren't, but the little ones, without

619
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: fail are, and they're incredibly useful at using their entire

620
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: body to generate power. So what I like watching about

621
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Speaker 2: Paulini is her anticipation, her ability to absorb the power

622
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: of her opponent and redirect it right. And I think

623
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: that to me is indicative of like how to watch

624
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 2: them and how to appreciate them, because yeah, if you're

625
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 2: enormous taking giant cuts, of course you can generate out

626
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: of power. But if you're little, you have to meet

627
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: the ball perfectly timed. Like that's what was so amazing.

628
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: Yes, and no, you have to remember though she has

629
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: unbelievably strong legs, her core is strong, her technique is fantastic.

630
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: She doesn't have a bad technique in her game. Her

631
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: service motion is fantastic, her forehand great. Everything is really

632
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: really solid with her game, and so that's the important thing.

633
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: And can she hit the ball hard? Hell yeah, she

634
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: hits it with a tremendous amount of recket it speed.

635
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: So if she was okay, if she was five ten,

636
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: would she be even a better player. Maybe she would

637
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: be sabal Anchor like because she'd be able to serve

638
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: it bigger. And that's where a lot of these top

639
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: players like Rebuccina, like Rebuccina, like sabal Anca even eager,

640
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: like they get free points on their serve because they

641
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: hit big serves. So yes, being taller does help with

642
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: the serve more than anything. And so that's the thing

643
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: we just saw her getting broke, get broken again, and

644
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: a lot of that is just the pressure on her

645
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: second serve with sabal Anca's return. So is it worse

646
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: than coco second serve? No better than's Coco second serve.

647
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: But you know Coco has one hundred and twenty mile

648
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: an our fur serve. The winds are a lot of

649
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: free points, so why because she's five ten five eleven

650
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: and she can smack the shit out of the ball

651
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: as well. So there are positives to being tall, and

652
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: one of them is more importantly is the serf. But

653
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: Lisa Raymond, my old doubles partner, could hit one hundred

654
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: and twelve mile in our furs serve in the corner,

655
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: and her second serve was a foot from the second

656
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: from the sideline and the baseline service line. So it's

657
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: how you hit the serve, and that's how you technically play,

658
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: and she technically plays very well, which is why she

659
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: does so well on all courts. But the heighth thing,

660
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's more about reach as well. You know,

661
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: she doesn't have the reach.

662
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 2: Of some of these places, but it's going to move

663
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: so much better.

664
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: But she moves fantastic and she allies great, so.

665
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: She's got great hands. I mean, don't forget she has

666
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: a gold medal in doubles.

667
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: That's that that she does.

668
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Should with the man?

669
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, sure, go ahead. I'm surprised, but yes.

670
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: Hey, I watched a little bit of it. I watched

671
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: Hugo Umbert, the frenchman.

672
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: I loved Karen Hutchonoff.

673
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: Yes, they had a bit of a silent yeah there.

674
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I agree with him, like you don't need

675
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: to carry on like a pork chop.

676
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah he was carrying on like a pup. But he's

677
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: French playing in Paris. Yeah, I understand that, but that's

678
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: defending it.

679
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: It's like, have some be humble because hutch Enough is.

680
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: Yes, hutching Off famously is a very low key guy.

681
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very low key, but he's also I've seen

682
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: him play against people that have been injured and he

683
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: is the first to be like, yeah, I just walked

684
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: to the net and shake hands and be like, man,

685
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: I hope you're okay. And then and then, as he said,

686
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: shake cans and then go celebrate. You're in Paris, like,

687
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: have at it, go for it. But you don't need

688
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: to be a douche.

689
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: He was being a douche.

690
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: Here's a douche.

691
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little bit of a douche. Yeah,

692
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: I'll agree with that.

693
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: But I do like that we're gonna have all the

694
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: France up in arms.

695
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. I do really like the tennis and

696
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think that's the thing about

697
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: the French. They're self aware, they know that they can.

698
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: That's kind of their own thing is carry and they go,

699
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: what do.

700
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: You have a problem.

701
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, say, it's just what they're like, which is what

702
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: I like about them. But I was, I was sad

703
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: he didn't win the trophy obviously.

704
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: Well he sealed the deal when he carried on like

705
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: a porchtow.

706
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: I think so. And you know, I hate giving credit

707
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: to Alex Aerov, but he has made an impressive comeback

708
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: he has this year, and you know, he lifted the trophy.

709
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: He can win these tournaments. It's the Grand Slams that

710
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: he can't win. Yeah, the three set, three sets, three sets,

711
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: keeping that forehand under control, keeping it in the court,

712
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: not you know, serving out of his mind until it

713
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: really counts, like all the things.

714
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: It's just a mental thing for him. It didn't seem

715
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: like he was under pressure too much. Yeah, that's it.

716
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: Well, and also when you're playing a lefty in your

717
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: backhands your best shot, you're like licking your lips. You're like, yeah,

718
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: bring it on, bring it on.

719
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: What I said, I really do, I really do like

720
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: Google and Bear and I hope he makes a I

721
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: hope he don't. Don't I doubt to learn anything from this.

722
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: My one take of this was Holgaruna, What did you

723
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: make of his sort of I don't know. I'm starting

724
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: to get worried that Holgaruna is not going to materialize

725
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: a little bit.

726
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's technically a little bit off too. You know,

727
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: the forehand is a little weird. It's a bit stiff,

728
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: it's a strange. Yeah, it's it's a very weird technique.

729
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

730
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's sort of semi peaked or

731
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: if he's still trying to find that mentality. But I

732
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: also think just technically he can be attacked on that side,

733
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: and he's a little bit all over the place. I

734
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: don't know.

735
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a little bit of an occult player.

736
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: Likes to come into net, likes to serve volley, likes

737
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: to come into net. So I don't know. I think

738
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: I think his type of tennis and the way he

739
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: plays will get better as he gets older.

740
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: I hope so, because I really do enjoy his type

741
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: of tennis.

742
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

743
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: I bring it up because I want him to be

744
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: winning these kind of tatles. These feel like the potatoes

745
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: he should win.

746
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: But this is also commenting on what we were talking

747
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: about last week, where the indoor court's fast, right, and

748
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: the first thing that Alcarez said when he lost his

749
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: match was the court was so fast. I didn't get

750
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 3: here in time to practice. It was my fault, YadA YadA.

751
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: It's like, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Kaitlin, like, yeah,

752
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: we have to have surfaces that reward players that play quick. Yeah,

753
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: I like that, the play servant volley tennis that come

754
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: into the net. Yeah, fuck you guys like you. Eighty

755
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: nine percent of the tour is played on a slow

756
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: hard court or clay. That's right, like oh and grass,

757
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: which by the way, has been slowed down to the wazoo. Yeah,

758
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: all right, there's a reason why the middle of the

759
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: court at Wimbledon, on the t junction of the service

760
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: box is still green on final set.

761
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: Totally brown and okayly worn down.

762
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: I mean, because nobody comes into that and ever be like, well,

763
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: no one comes into the net because the groundstrokes are

764
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: so good. Now It's like, no, it's because the courts

765
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: are slow. It's because if you have a fast court,

766
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: you can come into the net because it is harder

767
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: to adjust and get positioned to be able to hit

768
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: a winning passing shot when you are getting rushed so

769
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: fast courts indoors. Sorry, Carlos, you are going to have

770
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: to adjust your game which to play on a fast

771
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: card court. If not, you're not going to win indoors.

772
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: It's the same as Raffa. Rauffa had to adjust his

773
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: style of tennis on grass back in the day when

774
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: the grass was a little bit quicker, starting to slow down.

775
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: He started standing up on the baseline, he started flattening

776
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: out his forehand, he started flattening out his surf because

777
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: he knew, if you want to win Wimbledon, I have

778
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: to play to the grass's speed. That's right, And he

779
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: won Wimbledon. He was the type of player that adjusted

780
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: his game to win on fast surfaces. He can win indoors.

781
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: He never won an ATP finals. Ever, Raffia, on the

782
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 3: adult never won the atp Fils. Yeah, wow, why.

783
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: Caitlin, Because it was never played on anything other than

784
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: an indoor a hard court, that's right. Wow. So that's the.

785
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: Reason why you do need to have variations in speed

786
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: of the court, because it it lends itself to someone

787
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: playing faster hard court tennis.

788
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

789
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: So when Alcarez.

790
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: Loses that match, I'm like, good, I mean not good.

791
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: I love Carlos, but you know what I'm saying, Yes.

792
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to see it reward different types of If.

793
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: You're a servant bolley and you grew up as a kid,

794
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: you know, hitting winners and playing and learning on a fast,

795
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: hard court, which a lot of these players do, especially

796
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: indoors in Europe or in the northeast of the United States.

797
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: You then said, oh wait, we got to play on clay.

798
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: You got to learn to play in clay. I had

799
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: to learn to play and clay. I never saw a

800
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 3: clay court until I was like seventeen years of age

801
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: going to Europe, Like, how is that fair to me?

802
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: Then that's thirty percent of the tours on clay when

803
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: I've never seen a clay court. I mean, we had

804
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: shit onto car in Australia, but it played fast and

805
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: it was slippery. It didn't lend itself to playing What

806
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: did you do it was? It's called ontica.

807
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: Is that the name of the material.

808
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's like hard, true, Yes, it's like

809
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: green clay red, but it's like more sandy, it's like weird.

810
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: So it's like I could slide like a mofo because

811
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: I learned. I played a lot on that stuff as

812
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: a kid, but it wasn't slow, right, so I didn't

813
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: develop my patience game learning to play in Australia, right,

814
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: Whereas on clay you grow up learning patience. You learn

815
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: to hit the high ball, you learn to hit kick,

816
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 3: serve the spin, all that stuff stuff because it lends

817
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 3: itself to playing on red clay for sure.

818
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: Right.

819
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden you go on playing a

820
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: fast hard court. You're like, what the fuck do I

821
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: do here?

822
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: Now?

823
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: As an American you learn to play a lot on

824
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: a medium to fast hardcourt. Yeah. Right, So then you

825
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: go to clay on clay and you can't slide. They're like, shit,

826
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: I can't slide? Why because I never learned to play

827
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: and clay. So there's all these variations.

828
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think is amazing, and I love that.

829
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: So I take your point and I agree with it,

830
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: and I think for me, I read a book about

831
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: the secrets of Spanish tennis. Okay, their whole philosophy is

832
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: you must suffer. Yeah, that's it.

833
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: You must suffer, which I don't like. If you're playing

834
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: on a hard court that's quick. The only suffering you're

835
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: going to be doing is losing a lot of tennis

836
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 3: matches because you all of a sudden go, wait a second,

837
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to hit the ball there, and then I'm

838
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: supposed to hit the ball there and then there and

839
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: on a really long, arduous point and be disciplined.

840
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: No. No.

841
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: On fast, hard courts, particularly indoors, if I see a

842
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: ball that's remotely short, I have got to go for

843
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: it and here a winner, because if I don't, my

844
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: opponent will bang bang. And on clay, that's not the case.

845
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: You might have a shot you think you need to

846
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: winter on. You're like, yeah, but then I'm sort of

847
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: out of position, and then I have to quickly get back.

848
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: I've got a slide to the There's so many more

849
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: variables that go into clay.

850
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Now, is there a positive.

851
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: To that or a negative?

852
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: To that.

853
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, But far as I'm concerned, different speeds

854
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: on that thing is why tennis is the hardest sport

855
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: in the world to be great at, for sure, because

856
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: you got to learn to play on all surfaces.

857
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. It's like they should switch

858
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: up the surface of a football game or a baseball

859
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: game or basketball every like, yeah, every other game. You know,

860
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, no, we're going to play.

861
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: Are you a Yankees fan by any chance?

862
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm married into a Yankee fan.

863
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: Well, how did they feel about that fifth innings the

864
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 3: other day?

865
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: I think they thought it was a pretty atrocious showing

866
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: by the Yankees generally.

867
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: I said, after that game, I know we're pivoting out

868
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: of tennis, but I saw that game. I said, if

869
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: I as a player, or let's know, as a coach,

870
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: if I'm sitting there as a coach and I.

871
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: See that play for the listeners, what happened?

872
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: Okay, So what happened? Well, there was a lot of

873
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: mess ups in the fifth inning. First of all, Judge

874
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: had a routine fly ball right in his glove, and

875
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 3: instead of catching the ball first, he decided to semi

876
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: catch it because it was so easy and look to

877
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: see if the runner was running. Mate. You got to

878
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: make the catch first.

879
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a classic sports don't take your

880
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: out of the ball. Okay.

881
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: And as a good friend of mine and my ex

882
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: who used to play softball used to say errors or

883
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: kill your sure And that started that inning of getting

884
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: him on base okay, because he dropped the ball made

885
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: it to second base or first base. Then later on

886
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: in the same then then there was a fuck up

887
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 3: at third base with a terrible throw to third Okay,

888
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: another error. So now the base is essentially loaded. I

889
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: think at this point two outs, nobody has scored. It's

890
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: still five zero, but the bases are loaded. It's not

891
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 3: looking good here for the Yankees. If something happens, well,

892
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: God bless. Pitcher pitches a great game, Paul Cole, I

893
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: mean he played. He just pitched such a good game,

894
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: makes a great pitch. Ball rolls to Rizzo at first base,

895
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: who's standing behind first base by about tip fifteen feet,

896
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: gets the ball. Rizzo. Now, I've watched baseball a lot

897
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: in my life. Usually the pitcher runs to first base

898
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: to take that ball thrown at them, but also at

899
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: the same time, the guy with the ball also has

900
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: to calculate should I throw this and risk or should

901
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: I run to the base. And a lot of times

902
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: it's a double whammy thing where they both run to

903
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 3: the base and then they make that this while running

904
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: to the base, and neither of them ran to the base.

905
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, one of you has to run

906
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: the base, and then Cole points at rizout and goes

907
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: you run to the base, and he's like, what the

908
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: fuck do you run to the It was like it

909
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: was little if I was the coach of that team managing.

910
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: If I was in practice and they did it in practice,

911
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: I would make them run around those bases one hundred

912
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: and fifty times. Sure, I would say, Okay, you don't

913
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: want to run to the base. You're going to run

914
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: to every base one hundred and fifty times until you

915
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: get dizzy. That's how I would have to handle that.

916
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: That costs him The game should have cost them the

917
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: World Series.

918
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: Probably not well.

919
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: LA were probably going to go back to LA and win,

920
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: but they should have won that game. Seriously, that would

921
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: have been inning over five, zero game over.

922
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: I have not watched a baseball game in a couple

923
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: of years. After being a very intense Yankees fan.

924
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so you were a a Birds Thinkers fan.

925
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: I was. I also really like the Dodgers and I

926
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: tend to rude for them.

927
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually know the owners of the Dodgers. I

928
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: know that's such a wanky thing to say, but I

929
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 3: really do. The well To family are great. They're friends

930
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: of mine from Chicago when I was living there. They

931
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: gave a lot of money to the South Side of

932
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: South Side of Chicago.

933
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: It's actually going to bring this full circle. The reason

934
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm a Dodgers fan is because they do fan engagement.

935
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: They have engaged their Spanish speaking fans. Yeah, to such

936
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: a degree that they have the best food in baseball

937
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: Mexican and they've.

938
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: Best stated Dodger Stadium.

939
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium is amazing. Oh, it's incredibly well landscaped. It's

940
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: an incredible fan experience. And I think for me, what

941
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: I've just really sort of taken away, especially in a

942
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: year that tennis has exploded in popularity, viewing, Grand Slam, attendance,

943
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: top line revenue, all those things that people looked for

944
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: as healthy economic indicators, but we're still seeing major issues

945
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: at smaller tournaments failing to attract fans tournaments going away,

946
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: some new ones on the calendar, not getting a lot

947
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: of support, and a lot of infighting still happening. For me,

948
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: the strategy to engage fans and get casual tennis players

949
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: into the sport is something that needs to happen at

950
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: the highest levels, and I just don't think that's happening.

951
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: I think that's why we're seeing a lack of people

952
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: in the stadium as we watch Jasmin Paulini be in

953
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: a position now to maybe serve.

954
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Out the second set.

955
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: I know as we're sitting here, Pauolini has broken back

956
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: and is up five four in the second set. One

957
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: of the great things about Paolini is that she tries

958
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. She is the Raphael Nadal school of

959
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: tennis of not giving away anything and enjoy every moment

960
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: on the tennis court.

961
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: I need you want to wrap up with any questions or.

962
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: No, did I didn't ask for any questions today from

963
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: our listeners. What we we.

964
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: Have had plenty of to talk about.

965
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm excited for this WTA Finals to get going and

966
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: get into the meat and potatoes of the tournament. After

967
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: that happens and we get into the semis and finals.

968
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: My prediction is Sabalanca is going to win this tournament,

969
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: even though it's looking a little dodgy right now.

970
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: We might be going into three sets.

971
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: And I love Jasma Paolini, and let me tell you something,

972
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 3: I would love to see her win this tournament as well.

973
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: And is she capable of doing that? Abs?

974
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 3: Absolutely. This girl can play on eddie surface. Her game

975
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: lends itself to all surfaces. And she is my as

976
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: you know, Caitlin, she is literally my favorite player to

977
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: watch because I love watching your.

978
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Play very happy.

979
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: And when we do our next pod.

980
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: Caitlin, you will be headed to spin.

981
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: I will be almost on my way to Spain, and

982
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: we will have a female president's hope. So that's what

983
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Insulaula Insula. All right, guys, well listen, we

984
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: appreciate you listening to us waffle on today. We were

985
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: kind of all over the place, but were appreciative of

986
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: your ears listening to our podcast. Can you do me

987
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: a favorite? Because I forget to ask you all to

988
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 3: do this, can you please subscribe and like and rate

989
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: our podcast. We've never asked our listeners.

990
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: But we have quite a bit of feedback on there,

991
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: mostly from when we used to do this with terrible microphones. Yeah.

992
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: And then also from anytime one of us, usually me

993
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: upsets an entire nation.

994
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you usually do.

995
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying not to do that so much.

996
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good, it's good. I mean, we we have

997
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 3: to be nicer to all of our people that listen

998
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 3: to us. Caitlin, we do have some people that love

999
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: you that when I had only pet Goo on this podcast,

1000
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: they were like, where's Caitlin? Because I think we give

1001
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 3: nuances on all different things and.

1002
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: That's what I love about us.

1003
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: But I have no fear Petco will be back back

1004
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: here in the US because she lives part time here

1005
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn in New York anyway.

1006
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: So will it be all three of us then for

1007
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: a very special.

1008
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: All three of us for a Thanksgiving episode? Maybe we

1009
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: should do a live one.

1010
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good idea. Actually, we do have a

1011
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: docket on the calendar to be determined. But I have

1012
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: a date and I have a very special invitation for us,

1013
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: So stay tuned. Those of you who live in New York,

1014
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: those of you who live in LA will be making

1015
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: announcement very soon about something you can participate in and

1016
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: come to you and those of you who live in

1017
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: New York, Hey, listen. Maybe I'll listen to neither. You know,

1018
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: no time like the present to get.

1019
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: On a plan, and maybe I'll get a couple of

1020
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: the players playing in the showdown here in New York.

1021
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: December four, indoors.

1022
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: Seem to my Heart Radio to do a little interview.

1023
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: That would be great, would be great.

1024
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for listening to us.

1025
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: We really appreciate it, and we'll see you next week.