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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to How to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 2: dot Com, Apple podcast, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 5: I can't get enough of him time us. I believe

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Speaker 5: there are a couple of absolutely self involved bullshit artists.

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Speaker 6: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 7: Dude, when I get that can flow fight commentary in

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Speaker 7: my cans, it just sets the whole tone for the

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Speaker 7: goddamn show. Kid, we all want your back, buddy. It's Monday,

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Speaker 7: May eighteenth. It's episode two hundred and fifty of the

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Speaker 7: Week and Floring Podcast. I told my wife it was

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Speaker 7: episode two hundred and fifty. She's like, man, seems like

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Speaker 7: it just started that thing, Like a few days ago.

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Speaker 7: We're five years in honey. But it's good to see you, buddy.

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Speaker 7: It's going to be back in South Florida. What a

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Speaker 7: week for the MMA leader Hat three shows?

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Speaker 8: No problem? Huh, dude, I can't even keep track.

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Speaker 9: You're talking about two hundred and fifty episodes. It seems

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Speaker 9: like UFC two forty nine was like a month ago.

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Speaker 3: Somehow.

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Speaker 9: I don't know. It's really weird, this whole quarantine thing.

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Speaker 9: It's really hard to keep track. I can't tell if

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Speaker 9: time is moving faster slower.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm confused.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the podcast allows us to remember that it is Monday,

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Speaker 7: and certainly having a UFC live event on back to

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Speaker 7: back Saturdays helped a little bit. So, yeah, how are

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Speaker 7: you doing overall? I mean, you got to be sixty

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Speaker 7: plus seventy days in here, kid.

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Speaker 9: It's wild, dude. It's raining here today. I do a

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Speaker 9: lot of walks. I just I know the neighborhood inside

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Speaker 9: and out.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so do you like my antik Employing podcast sweatshirt?

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Speaker 8: By the way, I'm wearing the hoodie today.

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Speaker 9: It's so sick the stuff that I've been getting from us. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: we got a bunch of stuff. It's so comfortable, it's great.

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Speaker 9: I've been wearing it pretty much every day. I think

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Speaker 9: it's all being washed now. So I got another T shirt,

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Speaker 9: but I love it. My daughter's been rocking her Annak

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Speaker 9: and Florian little pink T shirt.

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Speaker 3: She's loving that thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I bought a large sweatshirt because I like

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Speaker 7: it to be a little bit big. But you know,

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Speaker 7: drotted and it maintains the size. You know, you got

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Speaker 7: the Antik Andploring podcast monogram on the back if you

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Speaker 7: want to take it. Oh yeah, look at that. I'll

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Speaker 7: fucking turn around on video. I'll turn around. I look

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Speaker 7: at the goods back down. So we had a lot

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Speaker 7: of people call our voicemail line over the weekend. A

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Speaker 7: five seven three zero one eight nine nine four is

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Speaker 7: just continues to turn through those, So if you do

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Speaker 7: us talking about the broadcast and some of the challenges

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Speaker 7: and the fighters hearing it and everything else. But big picture,

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Speaker 7: a lot of us felt pretty good to get UFC

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Speaker 7: another show done and now of course everybody has left.

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Speaker 7: Remarkable that probably six hundred plus COVID nineteen nasal swaps

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Speaker 7: were administered and only three people tested positive and nobody

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Speaker 7: got sick, right jacka Day and his two training partners.

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Speaker 7: It's not on great authority, but I think I'm pretty

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Speaker 7: convicted and saying they were all asymptomatic, right, So everybody

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Speaker 7: came in, nobody got sick.

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Speaker 8: Largely the shows went off.

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Speaker 7: Can't say that they were all without a hitch, but

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Speaker 7: one of our broadcast partners, Louras Sanko, did leave a

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Speaker 7: very heartfelt voicemail after UFC two forty nine and candidly

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Speaker 7: waking up and hearing this sort of put me in

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Speaker 8: Do we have that Tanco voicemail?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I don't have it. I can look for it.

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Speaker 7: You don't have it, all right, that's okay. I thought

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Speaker 7: but there was one narrative that was out there, the

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Speaker 7: are parallels to be drawn Dana White's Contender series The

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Speaker 7: Ultimate Fighter. I do think those are louder fight atmospheres,

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Speaker 7: got teammates and coaches screaming. Maybe hard to pick up

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Speaker 7: corner audio, but Kenny, the fighters were hearing almost are

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Speaker 7: But at one point we were talking about Ricky Simone's

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Speaker 7: So I was curious what you thought of that whole

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Speaker 3: Awkward.

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Speaker 9: First of all, I want to say that you guys

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Speaker 9: have just did an amazing job all week. Everybody involved

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Speaker 9: in the UFC machine, they're just beasts. I mean the

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Speaker 3: Kudos to the whole UFC team.

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Speaker 9: It's amazing what they've what they were able to accomplish,

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Speaker 9: and yourself included obviously in that. You know, it definitely

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Speaker 9: Right when we were competing, it was literally just the team.

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Speaker 9: So you hear everything, like when the fighters are fighting,

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Speaker 9: a totally different dynamic, and I must imagine, you know,

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Speaker 8: There's a ton of cheering. That's the last thing on

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Speaker 9: But now it seems like every time you open your

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Speaker 3: I mean that that must be.

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Speaker 7: So weird, man, Yeah, I mean the real, the real

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Speaker 7: hard one for me. I think Ben Rothwell landed a

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Speaker 8: John Annick, you know.

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Speaker 7: But you know, if you saw me on Sports Center

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Speaker 7: And obviously we're gonna spend a lot of time talking

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Speaker 7: or scheduled too. But there are a lot of different

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Speaker 7: wonder if coaches will at least pivot or adjust knowing

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Speaker 9: I thought Daniel Cormier was pretty spot on there, and

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Speaker 9: It doesn't allow the fighter to feel the fight through.

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Speaker 3: And I think Daniel was.

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Speaker 3: I mean for a five round fight.

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Speaker 9: The activity that he had in those early rounds was

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Speaker 9: just way too much and the pacing.

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Speaker 3: Was just insane.

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Speaker 9: And I think it did have a lot to do

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Anthony Smith did have part of his training camp compromise.

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Speaker 7: He did say he peaked pretty well for this fight

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Speaker 7: all things considered, but had to have Mark Montoya and

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Speaker 7: James Krause come to Nebraska. And I promised me, I

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Speaker 7: promise you when we talked to Hackeman and Longo, we

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Speaker 7: will get into all the details of these stoppage. But

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Speaker 7: I do think it's an interesting thing for coaches to

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Speaker 7: tweak it. I talked to Longo off the air today

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Speaker 7: and I think he thinks it's pretty interesting to think about,

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Speaker 7: you know, trying to strategize a little bit differently, knowing

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Speaker 7: that everybody can hear your goddamn every word.

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Speaker 9: It's crazy and crowd or no crowd, Why do you

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Speaker 9: even need to do that for a fighter?

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Speaker 3: Well, right, right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: I wish we had a sixty second ticker for the

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Speaker 11: No, it's just really good angles with this new uh

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Speaker 11: what the fuck's he been doing for the last you know,

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Speaker 10: So I started this treating me this morning. No, we don't.

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Speaker 9: It's like me when I do the pod, I'm flexing

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Speaker 8: It up a little bit.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you kind of hit it on the head there.

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Speaker 11: But you know it's it's a you know it just

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Speaker 7: I agree, no, if I am gonna levy a bunch

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Speaker 7: and see if somebody doesn't stop the fight at that

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Speaker 7: So Ian for me, I feel like there was criticism

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Speaker 11: on the whole topic. I think in those situations, listen,

436
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Speaker 11: Anthony Smith has been around for a long time. I

437
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Speaker 11: think people don't know that because you know, the strike

438
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Speaker 11: fource days fighting get middleweight, you know, really hit his

439
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Speaker 11: stride mainstream popularity wise when he jumped into two o

440
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Speaker 11: five and beating some of these legends. But to your point,

441
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Speaker 11: man saying, live to fight another day, and he's in

442
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Speaker 11: a division where the depth is not there, he could

443
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Speaker 11: turn around two fights and be back at the top

444
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Speaker 11: in a similar contender fight. To take so much unnecessary

445
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Speaker 11: damage when and again to Kenny's point, he's not tossing

446
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Speaker 11: up a crazy submission on someone like Glover. You know,

447
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Speaker 11: if that submission was coming, it would have came after

448
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Speaker 11: he would have rocked Glover, jumped on his back and

449
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Speaker 11: landed in a rear naked choke. You know what I'm

450
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Speaker 11: saying something right when Kenny shaking his head yes and

451
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Speaker 11: not trying to chime.

452
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Speaker 10: In, that's the way that I would have that.

453
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Speaker 11: I thought that Anthony would have won the fight if

454
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Speaker 11: it was by submission. You know, Glover even said to

455
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Speaker 11: him during the fight. I'm sorry, it's part of the job,

456
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Speaker 11: and Anthony's going it is what it is. But for Anthony,

457
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Speaker 11: you know, and I love Anthony Smith to call her

458
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Speaker 11: Zog a coward for what.

459
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Speaker 10: He said, that's wrong undred percent.

460
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Speaker 11: I really felt that was so unnecessary, uncalled for, and

461
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Speaker 11: I understand his frustration. As a guy, I wanted to

462
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Speaker 11: be known as a warrior. But at some point, we gotta,

463
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Speaker 11: you know, say to ourselves. Sorry, I know it's it's

464
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Speaker 11: a hard topic, but you know, I'm with you, guys.

465
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Speaker 11: That's that's on the corner. They got to live to

466
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Speaker 11: fight another day.

467
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Speaker 8: I called Ken flaw.

468
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Speaker 7: I was like, yo, would Keith have stopped that fight

469
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Speaker 7: if you were just fucking you know?

470
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Speaker 8: Kenny's like, I think so right.

471
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Speaker 7: You didn't even know how to answer it because you're like,

472
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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna fucking get beat up like that. Come on, Hey,

473
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Speaker 7: TJ's got something on the towel, can float?

474
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Speaker 8: TJ?

475
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Speaker 3: What do you have?

476
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Speaker 6: So there's a big misconception that you can't throw in

477
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Speaker 6: the towel, which is true. You cannot throw in the towel.

478
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Speaker 6: It's a safety issue. The referee may not see it. It

479
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Speaker 6: floats through the air.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

481
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Speaker 6: I did the postfight show with Frank Craigan asked him

482
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Speaker 6: whether or not you can throw in the towel and

483
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Speaker 6: he said, no, physically you cannot. But there's an inspector

484
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Speaker 6: in every corner. Or if you want to stop the fight,

485
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Speaker 6: as the cornerman, you let the inspector know. He stands up,

486
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Speaker 6: starts waving his arms to get another inspector's attention. They

487
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Speaker 6: will get the timekeeper's attention and blow the horn and

488
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Speaker 6: stop the fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool.

490
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Speaker 7: So next time you're with drig just ask him how

491
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Speaker 7: much the fine is and unless it's crazy, I'll pay

492
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Speaker 7: the fine, you know, I mean, I think the point

493
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Speaker 7: remains the same. You know, Nate Diaz right has thrown

494
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Speaker 7: in or Nick Das excused me, right has thrown in

495
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Speaker 7: a towel, correct, right?

496
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you know it is like you can

497
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Speaker 8: fucking jump over the fence.

498
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Speaker 7: So if the fine isn't too prohibitive and stop your

499
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Speaker 7: guy from further punishment. I just would like to see

500
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Speaker 7: us trend more in that direction. And on the referees, Kenny,

501
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Speaker 7: I feel like the referees who allow fights to go

502
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Speaker 7: long and allow maybe a courtesy shot or two. They're

503
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Speaker 7: universally praised. And the guys who have a quick trigger

504
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Speaker 7: and stop fights too early get you know, raked over

505
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Speaker 7: the fire.

506
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Speaker 9: It's two things I think that are preventing people from

507
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Speaker 9: giving up or you know, throwing in the towel, you know,

508
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Speaker 9: figuraly I guess, uh, And it's too thing one it's pride, Okay,

509
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 9: it's just ego. I don't want to see my fighter

510
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Speaker 9: and go out like that, blah blah blah.

511
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Speaker 3: Uh.

512
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Speaker 9: Number two, it's inexperience. It's inexperience in this sport. You

513
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 9: see it in boxing, right.

514
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Speaker 4: Uh.

515
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Speaker 9: And when you're when you have a fighter out there

516
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Speaker 9: who was getting out class and getting beat up, you know,

517
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Speaker 9: for the coach, it's like an insult to them, like, ah,

518
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Speaker 9: my guy's just getting his ass kicked. Who cares put

519
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Speaker 9: the ego aside? You guys, it didn't work out that night, Okay,

520
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Speaker 9: who cares stop the fight? Because these are the kind

521
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Speaker 9: of things that are gonna get someone really really hurt

522
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Speaker 9: or killed in the future because you don't want to

523
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Speaker 9: give up, right is that what we're waiting for?

524
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Speaker 3: Ah?

525
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Speaker 9: Yeah, my guy, My guy didn't give up, but he's

526
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Speaker 9: fucking dead, like I'm sorry, but it really it pisses

527
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Speaker 9: me off. And this is kind of what's happening. If

528
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Speaker 9: your guy is getting out class, It's okay to stop

529
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Speaker 9: the fight. You didn't do your job, Okay, live to

530
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Speaker 9: fight another day, as he said, like, it's just it's ridiculous.

531
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Speaker 3: Ian.

532
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Speaker 7: I thought Factory X as a team kind of made

533
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Speaker 7: matters worse, at least in terms of the public criticism,

534
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Speaker 7: because they sort of went at the commentary team and said, hey,

535
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Speaker 7: just so you know, it's his Veneers, Right, here's the

536
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Speaker 7: point on this.

537
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Speaker 8: Okay, if it was.

538
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Speaker 7: A tell from Anthony Smith that maybe he was getting

539
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Speaker 7: his ass kicked and was looking for a way out,

540
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Speaker 7: you know, that's what I think a lot of fans

541
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Speaker 7: read into there.

542
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Speaker 8: Maybe that was the case.

543
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Speaker 7: I'm sure Anthony would say, no, it's just my bad Veneers,

544
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Speaker 7: but it was a microcosm, right, I don't read into that.

545
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Speaker 7: You know, it has nothing to do with the fact

546
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Speaker 7: that he has a really bad dentist in Colorado or Nebraska.

547
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Speaker 8: Right, that did these Veneers.

548
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Speaker 7: It's that a lot of us felt like maybe at

549
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Speaker 7: that point in time, the toughest man on the roster

550
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Speaker 7: one of them might have been looking for a way

551
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Speaker 7: out and if that's not the case, then you know,

552
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Speaker 7: so be it.

553
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Speaker 8: But that's in what people read into.

554
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Speaker 7: It was a big part of everything else, all this damage.

555
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Speaker 8: Teeth are falling out. What are we trying to gain here?

556
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Speaker 10: You know?

557
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Speaker 11: And I think Kenny would probably get as the fighter here,

558
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Speaker 11: the most successful fighter here we could test. There's a

559
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 11: big difference between you know, being down and being hurt.

560
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Speaker 10: And talking about in the fight.

561
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Speaker 11: It's like the same guy that goes to his corner

562
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Speaker 11: and says I can't see after getting poked in the eye.

563
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 11: You're drawing attention to the injury, towards the inspector, towards

564
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Speaker 11: the ref towards the commission, especially if you don't want

565
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Speaker 11: to fight to be stopped. We've seen a lot of

566
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Speaker 11: guys that say I can't see or I'm hurting this,

567
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 11: I'm hurting that, and they talk about it in their corner, saying,

568
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Speaker 11: my teeth.

569
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Speaker 10: Are falling out.

570
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Speaker 11: I don't know how you can expect anyone to know

571
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Speaker 11: that those were veneers, you know. I mean, he's got

572
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Speaker 11: a great set of teeth. I was gonna say for

573
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Speaker 11: a fighter like those are beautiful. But you know, when

574
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Speaker 11: you when he's sitting there holding onto another fighter's arm

575
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Speaker 11: and little you know, dropping them to herzog may fight.

576
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Speaker 10: How does that look good?

577
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Speaker 11: I mean, like rand new Kotora said it best when

578
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Speaker 11: he got it knocked by Machet. I went my whole

579
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Speaker 11: career and I get knocked out of my last fight,

580
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Speaker 11: and I lose.

581
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Speaker 10: A fucking tooth. You know, it's just certain things don't

582
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Speaker 10: need happen. Listen.

583
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 11: Hockey players lose teeth, fighters lose teeth. But I when

584
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Speaker 11: you're gonna make it seem like it's coming out of

585
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 11: your brain, you know, like it's an injury, not just that,

586
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 11: Oh he punched the hard, that's when things kind of change.

587
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Speaker 11: I just think the whole thing was an absolute mess.

588
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Speaker 11: I don't think anyone who steps in the cage is

589
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Speaker 11: a coward, period, whether you go out on your shield

590
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Speaker 11: or not.

591
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Speaker 10: I mean, Kenny, have you ever tapped during a jiu

592
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Speaker 10: jitsu practice?

593
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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, it happens.

594
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Speaker 8: I've probably tapped millions of times over the course of

595
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Speaker 8: my career.

596
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Speaker 11: Yeah right, he No, I'm kidding, but that's because it's

597
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Speaker 11: a it's a learning thing, like why break your arm

598
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Speaker 11: in practice? It doesn't mean that you're a lesser fighter.

599
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 11: It's a learning thing. I just think for someone like

600
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Speaker 11: Anthony Smith, he's got on the brain, tough guy on

601
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Speaker 11: the legend. I want to go out my own shield,

602
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 11: and sometimes it doesn't make you look any better, you know,

603
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Speaker 11: And I think guys have to be protected a little

604
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Speaker 11: bit better in the sport.

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Speaker 7: So uh, referees generally speaking are discouraged from coming out

606
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Speaker 7: there publicly and talking about it. I mean, if you

607
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 7: look at any other sport NBA, you know the referees

608
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 7: aren't coming out and talking. I appreciate Jason coming out out,

609
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 7: but generally speaking, these guys are discouraged from doing so.

610
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Speaker 7: And I think the only job that is harder than

611
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 7: maybe MMA judging is probably MMA refereeing. So I do

612
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Speaker 7: want to say that all of these guys who I

613
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 7: am paid to criticize at times have my utmost respect

614
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Speaker 7: as far as the judges are concerned.

615
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Speaker 8: Kenny.

616
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Speaker 7: Overall, there were a lot of fights that a lot

617
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Speaker 7: of people felt like could have gone either way. To me,

618
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Speaker 7: I don't care about media scorecards as much as I

619
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Speaker 7: care about verdict MMA and this global scorecard and what

620
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Speaker 7: they are trying to do from a con consolidation standpoint

621
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Speaker 7: in amassing a bunch of scorecards. So this is the

622
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Speaker 7: best platform for me for real time judging right now,

623
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Speaker 7: and at least as far as the few fights in

624
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Speaker 7: question go. They had Cheeto Vera plus point nine to

625
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Speaker 7: two over Songy Dong, Edson, Barbosa plus point five to

626
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 7: four over Dany Gay, and Angela Hill plus point three

627
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 7: to one.

628
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 8: Over Cloud Jagadelia.

629
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Speaker 7: A lot of close fights this weekend, Kenny, I know

630
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Speaker 7: you and I both thought Dany Gay one. Having watched

631
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Speaker 7: it a second time, now you know again it's just

632
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 7: it's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

633
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 9: I guess listen, I think all of those fights are

634
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 9: relatively close. After going back and watching the Ega Barbosa fight,

635
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 9: I thought it was pretty clear.

636
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: You look at that fight.

637
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 9: I thought Barboso maybe won thirty to forty five seconds

638
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 9: of round two, But other than that, I thought it

639
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 9: was pretty clear Barboso won round one, Ega won round three.

640
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 9: What was the round in dispute? Really round two? Going

641
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 9: back and watching on that much more confident that Ega

642
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 9: won that fight. Now you look, even Barbosa after the fight,

643
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 9: he kind of knew he won the fight.

644
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 8: He was praying hopefully, you know, hoping that he won

645
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 8: the fight.

646
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 9: After the decision was rendered, he was like, he just

647
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 9: walked away, like man, makes sense.

648
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 8: I guess.

649
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure he was disappointed, but he just didn't win

650
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: that fight. I'm sorry.

651
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 9: But the Claudia Gadelia fight, you know, I thought that

652
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 9: was a very close fight, certainly could have gone either way.

653
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 9: I thought Claudia had just edged out. I thought she

654
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 9: was a little busier. I thought that her shots were

655
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Speaker 9: a little bit more impactful, and I thought came back

656
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Speaker 9: came down to that round three. So I thought Gadelia

657
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Speaker 9: with landing the harder strikes against Angie So And then

658
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Speaker 9: in regards to the Vera fight, now that I have

659
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Speaker 9: a problem with.

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Speaker 3: Marlon Vera won that fight. I don't know. I don't know.

661
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Speaker 9: What the judges were watching there. I thought it was

662
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Speaker 9: clear that Vera was not only more active, but he

663
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Speaker 9: was landing more. He was more effective. Sonya Dong was

664
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Speaker 9: given a gift. Okay, I won't say straight out robbery.

665
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Speaker 9: It was a close ish fight because Sonya Dong was

666
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Speaker 9: hanging in there. He was some good exchanges back and forth.

667
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Speaker 9: But man, Marlon Vera won that fight. That's a shame,

668
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Speaker 9: and I know Vera really worked hard. Both guys work hard,

669
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Speaker 9: of course for that fight, but Vera really needed that

670
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Speaker 9: one and that was tough to watch.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with everything out of Ken Flow's mouth there,

672
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Speaker 7: I and I mean, Sonya Dong certainly landed a lot

673
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Speaker 7: of hard shots. But I really feel like Cheeto Vera's

674
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Speaker 7: five fight winning streak was taken away. I guess the

675
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Speaker 7: only thing I would say to Cheeto in person, and

676
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Speaker 7: he and I told you this over the phone this morning,

677
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Speaker 7: I would say, you know, maybe you can't spend the

678
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Speaker 7: first three and a half minutes trying to feel him

679
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Speaker 7: out a little bit, because I do think he did

680
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Speaker 7: give away round number one with sort of that approach.

681
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Speaker 7: But I thought he won rounds two and three and

682
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Speaker 7: won the fight and should be W six right now.

683
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Speaker 7: And I know it's a lot to digest your thoughts.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I had you Dong in a parlay and

685
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Speaker 11: when ah in the fight, when the fight, when the

686
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Speaker 11: fight was over, I went and plays like three more

687
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Speaker 11: bets because I'm like, I fucking lost, and then I'm

688
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 11: walking out of the bathroom like wait, did your dong

689
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Speaker 11: just get out of his decision. I'm like, that's right,

690
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Speaker 11: you dong, you get.

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Speaker 8: Ha ha ha ha.

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Speaker 11: Last card he got me. That draw on the parlay

693
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Speaker 11: saved my ass. This one right, that's right, no fucking

694
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Speaker 11: win win went in doubt. Take you dong this hit

695
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Speaker 11: huh Barlin Gino cannot do what he does every fight. Now,

696
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Speaker 11: every fight he fights in the first round. If he

697
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Speaker 11: doesn't get a knockout, he loses on the scorecards in

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Speaker 11: round one. And we talk about this round two. The

699
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Speaker 11: only thing that made me not question it, so Kenny,

700
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Speaker 11: I sitting back, I don't want you to come forward

701
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Speaker 11: at me, is that Yadog was landing a lot. I

702
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Speaker 11: think the harder shots the jab was making Cheeto's head

703
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Speaker 11: come back, but Chitto.

704
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Speaker 10: Was landing way more.

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Speaker 11: I mean it just that third round was the most

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Speaker 11: decisive round between rounds one and three, with the takedowns

707
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Speaker 11: working the top, and he just was pressing the action more.

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Speaker 11: Just I think sometimes Marlon sits on his bite too

709
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Speaker 11: much in round one for whatever reason. The feel out

710
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Speaker 11: doesn't want to rush in. But that does suck and

711
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Speaker 11: on the pay scale it hurts them. I agree with

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Speaker 11: you with Claudia. I thought Claudia just landed the more

713
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Speaker 11: impactful shots in round three. But I will tell you

714
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Speaker 11: this is a win win for Angie. Look who she

715
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Speaker 11: just competed with, and people think she won a year ago.

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Speaker 11: No one's even thinking she beats bottom bottom part of

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Speaker 11: the top twenty. So to me, it showed the evolution

718
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Speaker 11: in her game. She could still be be the female Cowboys, Saroni.

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Speaker 11: Because she dropped Claudia. Not many people have done that either,

720
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Speaker 11: so good for her. Darren Elkins, in my opinion, was

721
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Speaker 11: probably one of the more wrong guys on this card.

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Speaker 11: I thought he won round three decisively. On one, it's

723
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Speaker 11: too bad that he's got more scar tissue than the.

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Speaker 10: Diz Brothers combined.

725
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Speaker 11: He sneeze on him and he leaks like a He

726
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Speaker 11: leaks like a faucet. You go watch round three. He

727
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Speaker 11: landed way more push forward and the Barboza Egay fight. Listen,

728
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Speaker 11: people could robbery. You cannot call that fight robbery. You can't,

729
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Speaker 11: you know? And I just give so much credit to

730
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Speaker 11: Ega going against a guy like this. I didn't realize

731
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Speaker 11: how big Ega really was for that division too. His

732
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Speaker 11: combinations looked good. I give him a lot of credit. Man,

733
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Speaker 11: this guy has talked a lot, and he's backed it up.

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Speaker 11: I mean, not many guys bring that fight to Barboza,

735
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Speaker 11: get dropped, get up that flying me off the cage

736
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Speaker 11: after getting rocked. I mean, good for him, you know,

737
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Speaker 11: really good for him on this win. And I thought,

738
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Speaker 11: and I thought, Barboza still looked very good at forty five.

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Speaker 11: You know, I was pleasantly surprised with him. Egay is

740
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Speaker 11: no slouch and uh again, more fresh blood in the division.

741
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Speaker 11: But man, these judges fucking I don't know what they're

742
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Speaker 11: watching sometimes. I mean, like, I don't know, Kennedy, did

743
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Speaker 11: you watch the Elkins fight, because if you did, how

744
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Speaker 11: I get at thirty twenty seven?

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Speaker 9: That's yeah, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Yeah, it was

746
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Speaker 9: a little mind boggling on that one. And you know,

747
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Speaker 9: in regards to Ega, yeah, I mean listen, no Hawaiian

748
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 9: is going to go away easily. You know, they're not

749
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Speaker 9: giving up. I mean, these are just tough as nails, man.

750
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Speaker 9: So he represented his state extremely well. He's definitely someone

751
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Speaker 9: to watch in the one hundred and forty five pound division,

752
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Speaker 9: which is just insane. And you look at what he

753
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Speaker 9: accomplished against barbos who did a lot of great things

754
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Speaker 9: at onety five and Ian, I agree with you, Angie, man,

755
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Speaker 9: she has improved leaps and bounds. Man, it was great

756
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Speaker 9: to see that kind of improvement. And she's someone to

757
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Speaker 9: watching that division as well. I think a rematch I

758
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Speaker 9: would lean towards Andrew's way if.

759
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Speaker 8: He had a longer show go ahead.

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Speaker 11: In well, that last time to say for Angie, I

761
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 11: think she just showed him she can keep the fight standing.

762
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Speaker 11: She could probably stand with the best of them, you know,

763
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Speaker 11: And that's really where she's got to play into her strengths.

764
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Speaker 7: If we didn't have so much on the plate, we

765
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Speaker 7: could spend fifteen minutes just talking about Danny Gay and

766
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Speaker 7: Cheeto Vera and their individual evolution. Right, Egay is shorter

767
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 7: on UFC experience than Cheeto at this point. But Ken Flall,

768
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 7: I mean, do you remember calling Cheeto's early fights. I mean,

769
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Speaker 7: look where this kid is right now. I know that

770
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Speaker 7: this fight happened at one hundred and forty five pounds,

771
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Speaker 7: and there's a whole other conversation we could have about

772
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Speaker 7: some of these guys, given this global pandemic backdrop competing

773
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Speaker 7: up a weight class. I mean, look, how good Cheeto

774
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 7: Vera looked at one hundred and forty five pounds. But

775
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 7: I mean, this guy's a credential band weight. I mean,

776
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 7: we didn't fancy him a contender back in the day.

777
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Speaker 9: Look at fucking Cheeto. Now, Cheeto's huge for the division.

778
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 9: This is a guy who clearly loves what he does.

779
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 9: I mean, he's hit me up for questions on you know,

780
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 9: how to do certain things, and you know he's training

781
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 9: with some of the best guys in the world, you know,

782
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 9: on the ground and the striking department wrestling. He absolutely

783
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 9: loves what he does and you could see it in

784
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 9: his passion. The improvement that he has made since we

785
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 9: call his first fight man is absolutely insane. He's big

786
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 9: for the division and he had some great momentum. That's

787
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Speaker 9: why it hurt really to see him lose that decision.

788
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 9: That was that was not a loss, So Cheeto, keep

789
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 9: your head up, man, all.

790
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Speaker 7: Right, Ian, you've taken three of ray long Go's fifteen

791
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Speaker 7: minutes anything on the way out before we let you fly, kid,

792
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Speaker 7: the Ray.

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Speaker 10: Longo fifteen minutes show.

794
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Speaker 4: I like it.

795
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Speaker 10: He deserves it.

796
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Speaker 11: Look honestly, this was I'm happy that UFC did this.

797
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 11: It seems like everyone John you look healthy. I mean,

798
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 11: you got a few nasal swabs. I'm glad they didn't

799
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 11: turn you around and do it the other way. That

800
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Speaker 11: would have been terrible for you.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, you know, listen, great set of fights. I

802
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 10: think a lot for a lot of people, you know.

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Speaker 11: Like I said, sometimes in these losses they really win.

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Speaker 8: Angie.

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Speaker 11: I mean, she know, I forgot that fight was even

806
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Speaker 11: at forty five. Nothing like fighting at forty five of

807
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Speaker 11: you don you know, But that doesn't get old. I'm

808
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Speaker 11: gonna use that all the time.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 8: I love him all right, Longo's gonna kill me. I

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Speaker 8: love you, buddy.

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Speaker 7: Well, we will make some picks hopefully next week, right

813
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Speaker 7: May twenty fifth, If there's a show May thirtieth, we're

814
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Speaker 7: making picks next week.

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Speaker 11: So and it's only seventy four ninety nine for the

816
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Speaker 11: five fight card right now.

817
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 7: So yeah, Well, I don't have a fight card in

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Speaker 7: front of me, if that makes you feel any better.

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Speaker 7: I might have an inkling where fight island is at

820
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 7: this point in time, but I don't have a fight card.

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Speaker 10: The co main event is Mackie Patolo versus.

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Speaker 11: I don't know who is the comane at the moment,

823
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Speaker 11: So coconut bombs.

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Speaker 8: All right, k, we'll get you out of here on that.

825
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Speaker 8: Have a good week.

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Speaker 7: We'll talk to you next monthy kid, you guys Ian

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Speaker 7: Parker Mma on social media, give the kid a follow?

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Speaker 7: Uh if you are so inclined. All right, Ray Long Ago,

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Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Longo minute.

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00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 11: I'm gonna punch a hole in his fucking up.

872
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 8: That's what I wanted, the Ray Longo minute.

873
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 5: During Ray long.

874
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: The John Nik and Kenny Florian.

875
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 8: Podcast, Ray long Ago now joins, says.

876
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 12: Lie, listen, John, John, just just let's go over a

877
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 12: couple of ground rules. Don't ever fucking do that to

878
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 12: me again. Please, I can't listen to that guy.

879
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: Why'd you do that?

880
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 12: You gave the guy two seconds he went off of

881
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 12: fifteenth minutes? Yeah he did, Henny, no wonder.

882
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 10: I don't listen to the show.

883
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 12: This is why. This is why you don't listen to the.

884
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 10: Guy damn show. Yeah, he's like, okay, real quickly.

885
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 9: And anything anything quick on the way out, he goes

886
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 9: for fifteen minutes.

887
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 12: Oh my golly, shit, holy crap. What if you didn't

888
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 12: cut him off? He was not stopped. He wasn't stopping.

889
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 8: Hey, you you always lead the show. You always lead

890
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 8: the show. But we figured we keep you right on

891
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 8: the screws one o'clock.

892
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 7: We got your boy al Joe coming up, so things

893
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 7: are structured a little bit differently. You're right, I probably

894
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 7: shouldn't have given the kid a parting shot.

895
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 8: I don't know what to tell you.

896
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 12: I mean, listen, John, I don't care about leading the show,

897
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 12: being last on the show. Just don't let me don't

898
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 12: don't all right, don't please don't do that to me again.

899
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 8: Come on alright for me. Next time we'll bridge it bridge.

900
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 12: They didn't turn you around, John and stick with the

901
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 12: cut of the whole. Yeah, So I had to call you.

902
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 7: I had to call you before the show because I

903
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 7: wanted to bounce some stuff off of you. So, uh,

904
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 7: you know one thing that you have brought up with me,

905
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 7: and you're not the first to bring it up, But

906
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 7: was that Tony Ferguson got a worse beating than Anthony

907
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 7: Smith and sort of insinuating where's the outcry for Ferguson's

908
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 7: corner when everybody is banging on Anthony Smith's corner. You know,

909
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: I don't like to see anybody take a beating that

910
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 7: results in UFC President Dana White, my boss, going over

911
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 7: to the bottom of the stairs as he often does.

912
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 7: To check on an athlete. But I do think you know,

913
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 7: you bring up an interesting point. I guess my counter

914
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 7: would be that I think most people felt like Ferguson's

915
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 7: body language was more of a man who was really

916
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 7: still in that fight, even though he was absorbing a

917
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 7: lot of head shots.

918
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 12: Uh yeah, his body language was a guy like like

919
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 12: he always does. He spins around. He took a beat man.

920
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 12: Either way you look at it, you know, here's the

921
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 12: I mean, first off, Glover hits hard, GEI Chee hits hard,

922
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 12: ge che hits a hard and fast. That's I think

923
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 12: the difference. I think Anthony Smith at least had his

924
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 12: hands up most of the times he was taking those shots.

925
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 12: I mean, Ferguson was taking clean shots. Man, it was starting.

926
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, look, I guess you have to

927
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 12: know your athlete, and I guess you know, when you

928
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 12: run off eleven straight and you haven't lost, you know,

929
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 12: don't think it's even possible. Maybe that's a power problem.

930
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 12: And and with Anthony Smith, you know, he's a big,

931
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 12: strong heavyweight, he's got great powers. Only takes one shot

932
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 12: to turn that fight around. Who knows. But uh, my

933
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 12: point was the consistency in attacking one corner and the

934
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 12: other corner just goes unnoticed. I would that That's kind

935
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 12: of where I was going, Like I thought, you know, uh,

936
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 12: and I look, we we know everybody, and we I

937
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 12: like everybody, you know, so it's I don't want to

938
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 12: criticize or whatever, but constructively, I thought, I thought Ferguson

939
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 12: was getting a really bad beating, man, I really did.

940
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 12: I thought those shots were clean, his hands were never

941
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 12: near his head, which is normal for him, and uh,

942
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 12: you know, like again, you don't think Ferguson is gonna lose.

943
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 12: We've seen him in trouble a million times and he's

944
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 12: come back and won to fight. So that that causes

945
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 12: a big problem in there. They have faith and the

946
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 12: guy's going to pull through, and the you know, same

947
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 12: thing I think, uh, you know, goes to the other

948
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 12: the other side. You know, we know that that smeth

949
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 12: has big power, and you know, Glove is an older guy.

950
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 12: He could always have gassed out, you know what I mean.

951
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 12: There's a lot of things that go into it, so

952
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 12: it's hard to criticize, but from calling, it's just a

953
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 12: consistency thing. I think that's where I was having the problem, Like,

954
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 12: you know, one corner is getting annihilated. And as it

955
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 12: was going on, my first inclination was Maniga, DC's really

956
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 12: going hard on these guys with the over coaching, and

957
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 12: then it just seemed to, you know, get worse and

958
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 12: worse as time went on. But you know, that's part

959
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 12: of the game, man. You gotta if you're in any

960
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 12: aspect of this game, you have to be able to

961
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 12: accept criticism. And trust me, I know, because I get

962
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 12: fucking destroyed a lot of times. So it's part of

963
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 12: the game.

964
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 10: Man.

965
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 12: I don't I really never took anything personal because it

966
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 12: is what it is, and you can't stop people from

967
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 12: their opinion. So I don't know if that puts any

968
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 12: clarity on anything, but that was my gut feel on that.

969
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 7: So we all come at these situations with a different perspective,

970
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 7: you know, as Ivik's playing to people over the last

971
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 7: forty eight hours. I come at this as with the

972
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 7: perspective of a guy who covered a boxing death in

973
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 7: two thousand and five. So maybe I'm a little bit

974
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 7: more sensitive to these situations.

975
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Right.

976
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 7: Have you ever had to throw in a towel or

977
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 7: verbally stop a fight?

978
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: Now?

979
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 12: You know, Look, my guys tell me not definitely never

980
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 12: to do that. So that's the other thing. You don't

981
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 12: know the relationship between everybody. But I definitely was under

982
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 12: a lot of criticism for Wideman rock Hole at that

983
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 12: time because he was taken, you know, he took kind

984
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 12: of a prolonged, you know, beating. But again, from my standpoint,

985
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 12: Whideman hadn't lost yet, and I know from the gym

986
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 12: he could always come back, so you want to give

987
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 12: him the extra chance to do that. It didn't happen

988
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 12: in that case, but you know, at that point, honestly,

989
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 12: in my head, I didn't think Whidman was capable of losing.

990
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 12: I mean, it was almost I mean, I'm saying that

991
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 12: I'll get attacked for that too, but you know, but

992
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 12: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Like you, you're

993
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 12: used to the guy pulling through. You've seen him hit

994
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 12: adversities come back, so you give him the extra time.

995
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 12: But that retirement a sport like this, the next rap

996
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 12: five to ten seconds is huge, So you know, would

997
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 12: I go back and do that differently, I don't know,

998
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 12: but I came unto criticism for that. But that was

999
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 12: my mentality, is that, you know, I really believed in

1000
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 12: this kid, and I thought he was. He had a

1001
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 12: good first round and I thought he could have turned

1002
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 12: that around if he got up and you know, made

1003
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 12: things happen a little differently.

1004
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, there are a few fighters I have more respect

1005
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 7: for on the roster than Alistair Overreim. And the way

1006
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 7: he handled being the B side in Walt Harris's return

1007
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 7: was just so classy, so inspiring. You know, Alistair Overreim

1008
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 7: is a father of daughters, and the way he came

1009
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 7: over and consoled Walt after the fact, I just I

1010
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 7: have so much respect for the rem you know, because

1011
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 7: when he came into the UFCA, the debolition man and

1012
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 7: of course I've been watching this guy obviously since the

1013
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 7: late nineteen nineties, can flow, but I don't know, I

1014
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 7: just have a lot of respect for the way he

1015
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 7: handled himself and wanted to get Kenny your thoughts on

1016
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 7: that fight, and Ray you can follow.

1017
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 9: You know, I've been thinking a lot about that fight.

1018
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 9: First of all, you know, just seeing the segments on

1019
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 9: Walt Harris, you know, out of the five interviews or

1020
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 9: whatever that they showed over the course of that day,

1021
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 9: and obviously we know we've talked about the story we

1022
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 9: followed it. We were, you know, praying for Walt and

1023
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 9: his family throughout that whole ordeal. I probably cried three

1024
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 9: out of the five times just listening to that dang thing.

1025
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just heartbreaking.

1026
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 9: And I can't even imagine the courage just to get

1027
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 9: out there and start training and get ready for a

1028
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 9: professional fight.

1029
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: Myself. If I'm Alister overhim, I don't take that fight.

1030
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to do it.

1031
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 9: I wouldn't be able to compete against someone like that,

1032
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 9: Like my heart is with their family way too much,

1033
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 9: you know, like my emotions are with them, and I

1034
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 9: wouldn't be able to do it. And the fact that

1035
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 9: Overhim was able to do that and then handle himself

1036
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 9: the way that he did after taking you know, a

1037
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 9: beating from Walt Harris in round one, I thought was

1038
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 9: really admirable, really classy. He was in a very different

1039
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 9: situation himself, and he couldn't have he couldn't have done

1040
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 9: anything more perfect in my opinion, And uh, it just

1041
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 9: the whole night. It was just one of those things

1042
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 9: where you know, you had to believe that everyone in

1043
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 9: that arena was cheering for Walt Harris and wanted him

1044
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 9: to win and over him must have been aware of that,

1045
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 9: and I thought he just handled it beautifully, man, And yeah,

1046
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 9: just what a night.

1047
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 8: It was crazy. What do you think about Walt?

1048
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 12: He's suing that up pretty pretty damn good. John. And

1049
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 12: uh and you know, John, you because if you've ever

1050
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 12: met Walal Harris is not a sweet and nicer guy around,

1051
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 12: I mean you know, I mean he's always I don't

1052
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 12: I'm not saying I know him well, but any interaction,

1053
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 12: any hello was so hot, felt and just warm, and

1054
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 12: you could see that guy's a good guy. And I

1055
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 12: agree with Kenny, man, I I I cried probably every

1056
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 12: time I saw that. My heart went out to him.

1057
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 12: And again, which even makes it it is, I do

1058
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 12: feel what Kenny's saying, man if fits. I think I'd

1059
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 12: let the guy beat the crap out of me. I

1060
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 12: gotta tell you, man, just for the just for the

1061
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 12: greater cause. I mean, I don't know, but Overream handled

1062
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 12: that thing. I mean, he just goes up a thousand

1063
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 12: notches in anybody's book. I mean it, that's such a touchy,

1064
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 12: touchy thing that that happened, and what we witnessed, I'm

1065
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 12: just I'm happy for everybody I hope, I hope Wolf

1066
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 12: moves on. He's a great fighter and then overream man,

1067
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 12: only the best of that guy, because he handled that

1068
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 12: like a gentleman. And you could see he felt that.

1069
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 12: You know, it wasn't you know, it wasn't bullshit. You know,

1070
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 12: it wasn't. It wasn't like you know, let me just

1071
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 12: he he felt it, man, it was. It was very

1072
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 12: very special and uh it's it's emotional man. And again,

1073
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 12: congrats to Wolf Harris Reeve and making that walk. And

1074
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 12: I hope it was you know, with something that that

1075
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 12: really made him feel better and you know, you know,

1076
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 12: he was in there for the right cause. And I

1077
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 12: just hope he goes on and is able to deal

1078
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 12: with this as best as possible, which John, you know,

1079
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 12: as a parent, who the heck no. I mean, that's

1080
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 12: a toughie man. That's a tough one, and God bless him,

1081
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 12: and I just really wish the best for him and

1082
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 12: his family.

1083
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 8: I love him.

1084
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 7: I love Walt and his wife Angela, and I'm excited

1085
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 7: to see Walt, you know, get this chapter done with right,

1086
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 7: even though it didn't go his way. Kenny Walt as

1087
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 7: a fighter can be really scary. I mean, not quite

1088
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 7: in gone new level, but there's no denying the tools.

1089
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 7: And had he just had a little bit of a

1090
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 7: more measured approach, maybe a little bit of a higher

1091
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 7: fight IQ in the moment, maybe he would have allowed

1092
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 7: over him back to his feet and we'd be celebrating

1093
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 7: a Walt Harris knockout here.

1094
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely listen. And I think two things really affected

1095
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 9: that fight. I think number one inexperience, as you said,

1096
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 9: and number two emotions. I mean, he had him out

1097
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 9: up against the cage. I think that kick at the

1098
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 9: end was unnecessary. Maybe not the best in shot selection there,

1099
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 9: but again he's gonna learn from this. And again, how

1100
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 9: about Walt Harris's tweet after the fight, Just I know,

1101
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 9: you know the classiness and you know, the ability to

1102
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 9: look at himself honestly and look at that fight. I mean,

1103
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 9: how could you not bring emotions into that fight? That's

1104
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 9: what I was concerned with more than anything else. It

1105
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 9: looked like he was just out there to kill over

1106
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 9: him and that you know, everyone thinks, you know, a

1107
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 9: lot of people who don't fight think that, like, oh man,

1108
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 9: if you get out there and you get angry, you're

1109
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 9: gonna go out there and beat someone up. No, you

1110
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 9: know you're not You're not able to think as clearly

1111
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 9: when when you're that emotional. And I think that was,

1112
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 9: you know, a tough thing for Walt Harris to deal

1113
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 9: with that. That is an extremely difficult thing for anyone

1114
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 9: to deal with coming back like that and relatively quickly.

1115
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 9: But a big learning lesson all the way, all the

1116
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 9: way around, and I think Walt Harris showed some improvement

1117
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 9: in his skill. He was sharp with his boxing, excellent

1118
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 9: footwork to get in and get out, and I think

1119
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 9: we're gonna see a better Walt Harris next time, for sure.

1120
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 7: Hey, Ray, at one point I was calling a Justin

1121
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 7: Geechee fight. I think what I said on the spot

1122
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 7: was have you ever seen anything like Justin Geechee and

1123
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 7: his opponents? And one of our listeners, Chris chimed in

1124
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 7: and I've updated the record since, but opponents record after

1125
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 7: fighting Justin Geechee in the UFC is a combined four

1126
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 7: and thirteen Seronio and two Barbosah and two, vic Oh

1127
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 7: and three, Poorty A two and one, Eddie Alvarez two

1128
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 7: and one, but oh and one of the UFC. And

1129
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 7: then I think Michael Johnson two and four. Uh ray,

1130
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 7: have you ever seen anything like justin Gaichie. I'm getting

1131
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 7: asked an awfully lot about this guy, and he certainly

1132
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 7: deserves the shine.

1133
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 12: Well, you know what's crazy, man, because look, he definitely

1134
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 12: showed the ability to maintain his composure like he's never

1135
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 12: done before in the past. And I think that sounds

1136
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 12: like nothing, but that's a huge thing because he definitely

1137
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 12: hits hard, he's accurate, and if he could stop swinging

1138
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 12: for defenses and just do exactly what Trevor told him,

1139
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 12: you got to relax. And you know, there's a saying

1140
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 12: I have. I'd rather hit a guy at fifty percent

1141
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 12: that miss him at one hundred percent any day of

1142
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 12: the week, you know what I mean. So you've got

1143
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 12: to take something north, you've got to make contact and

1144
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 12: then you can load up to the big shots. But

1145
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 12: he's a right now. He's a very scary individual. He's

1146
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 12: on a roll. He loves to fight. You could see

1147
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 12: that when he during his interviews that I don't think

1148
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 12: there's one ounce of bullshit. I think that guy shoots

1149
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 12: from the hip and man, we haven't even seen him,

1150
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 12: you know, integrate his wrestling yet, which is scary. I mean,

1151
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 12: because he's a pretty good, decorated wrestler, So I don't know,

1152
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 12: he's he's on a roll man, He's he's he's looking good,

1153
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 12: and I'm going to say, no, I've never seen anything

1154
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 12: like that. Way a guy came in and he's making

1155
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 12: the adjustments a little later on, which is which is

1156
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 12: phenomenal for him.

1157
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 9: You know, John, he really reminds me of Robbie Lawler

1158
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 9: when he came back to get the title at one

1159
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy pounds, when he went on that amazing

1160
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 9: run and then had those classic fights against Rory McDon

1161
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 9: on ald and Carlos Condon and all those crazy fights

1162
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 9: against Tyn Woodley. You know, I think balancing, you know

1163
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 9: that aggression and knockout power and emotions is is just

1164
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 9: that perfect storm for a guy like Kachie to become

1165
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 9: a true champion in the sport. Clearly, he has the heart,

1166
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 9: he has the mindset, he's got the skills, but now

1167
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 9: that he's managing the pacing and he's managing his efficiency

1168
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 9: and his emotions, this is a guy who I think

1169
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 9: matches up really well against a guy like Kabib. You know,

1170
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 9: they still have Habib as a favorite for sure, But

1171
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 9: I mean justin Gaegi with that wrestling background, could really

1172
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 9: pose a lot of problems for Habib and every second

1173
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 9: that fights on the feet, Geegie can knock him out.

1174
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 9: So it gets really interesting moving forward. And Gaechie really

1175
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 9: is something special man.

1176
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then while we're on mentioning Kabib, man just

1177
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 12: shout out to him. I hope his dad's doing that.

1178
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 12: I've read that over the week two which goes on uh.

1179
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 12: I don't know if we've talked about that yet, but

1180
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 12: you could see that guy's the patriarch of a lot

1181
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 12: of families. I mean when we were in Russia, he

1182
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 12: walks in, It's like John Gotti walking in, you know

1183
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 12: what I mean. So you could see he gets a

1184
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 12: lot of respect and just prayers go out to him

1185
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 12: because I know this thing sucks, and you know he's

1186
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 12: not a he's not a young guy, and I hope

1187
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 12: he pulls through. I really did, because you could see

1188
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 12: to have a special special relationship there too. So with

1189
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 12: that being said, I think Kenny's right with Gaechie though.

1190
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 12: Man Geigie, I'm gonna say at this stage of the game,

1191
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 12: I pick Gaichie to win that fight, and I know

1192
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 12: his way out, but I think he's on I think

1193
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 12: he's on the roll, and he's a he's a totally

1194
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 12: different cat at this point. Man and the wrestling, which

1195
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 12: is could be his biggest thing. If he could stymied

1196
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 12: out it all and not get tired, that's gonna be

1197
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 12: a that's a long night for the other guy.

1198
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 7: Well, Team Elevation right now. Front runner for Team at

1199
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 7: the year, Alistair Overiam Justin Gaegee Drew Dover with a

1200
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 7: huge week in Jacksonville. Cory Sandhagen is lurking. Ray Longo

1201
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 7: is always lurking. Hey, thirty seconds before we let you go,

1202
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 7: what should I ask Al Joe today? I didn't prepare.

1203
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 12: Al Joe. You could ask him why he was not

1204
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 12: the hills yesterday? With everybody we missed him?

1205
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 8: Were you not at the hills?

1206
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: All right?

1207
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 8: I got it.

1208
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for the extended time, buddy, And uh, we

1209
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 7: will never make you listen to Ian Parker when you're on.

1210
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: Hold of But that was rough Man.

1211
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 12: Really seriously, send over an insurance guy, send somebody over

1212
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 12: to the life in sewarts and said anything.

1213
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: All right, come on, buddy, I'm sorry, Ray.

1214
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 12: Take it easy. Guys, I'll take the swab up my

1215
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 12: ass before I do that again, give me this, I'll

1216
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 12: take that.

1217
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 8: At the pros on Fire is on fire today?

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Speaker 7: Hey long ago making it memory Bell on our two

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1220
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Speaker 12: Take it easy, guys.

1221
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Speaker 4: Oh love you.

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Speaker 8: That's why we brought you on episode one. Don't forget

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Speaker 8: All right, lot still to get to.

1252
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 7: Of course, it was a big Wednesday night for Glover

1253
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 7: to share a he's a man, he's forty, but the

1254
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 7: version that we saw against Anthony Smith might actually be

1255
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 7: the best version to date, and that is a scary

1256
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 7: proposition for the rest of the light heavyweight division. Glover,

1257
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 7: I think, turned pro back in two thousand and two

1258
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 7: and really looks prime to potentially make a championship run

1259
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 7: here and now joining us.

1260
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 8: This guy's a legend.

1261
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 7: I mean, as far as ken Flow and I are concerned,

1262
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 7: no doubt about a trainer to the stars, trainer to

1263
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 7: the average man like me. On social media, I love

1264
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 7: those Pitmaster videos. Of course, he was in Clover to

1265
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 7: share his corner on Wednesday night for that huge win.

1266
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 7: The Pitmaster John Hackelman now joins us Live. Good morning, sir, Hey,

1267
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 7: good morning guys. Hear me, okay, sound great. You look great.

1268
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 7: The terminal fasting is working for you, as are many

1269
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 7: other things. But you and Ken Flow go way back.

1270
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 7: And I know he was excited to hear you were

1271
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 7: going to be on the show today.

1272
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: I love kid Flow and then the whole then Ben

1273
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 5: Stiller thing, he's such as it's you know what I love, man.

1274
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 10: I love these.

1275
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 5: Guys that are I mean, they're the toughest humans in

1276
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 5: the world, you know, and and and then they just

1277
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 5: all of a sudden they can switch. You know, they

1278
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 5: got that switch. They can flip and now they're great announcers,

1279
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 5: are great whatever else they do. But like such a

1280
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 5: good announcer. It's like he was made for that. But

1281
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 5: then you watch him in the cage, you think, I

1282
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 5: think he's like he's like he's fighting like a he's

1283
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 5: fighting like a warrior. It's like wasn't that wait, No,

1284
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: it's it's really it's.

1285
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 4: Really good to that, like uh.

1286
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 5: I think I think uh CC does that really well too,

1287
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 5: and and you know, you know Felder does that really well.

1288
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 5: And you know this thing, it's like watching these warriors

1289
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 5: like you know, like Ken Flow, Kenny Florian and then

1290
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 5: you watch him, it's like they're so good at announcing.

1291
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 5: It's like that's what they you know, it's like they

1292
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 5: were made to do that. But then you realize not

1293
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 5: that long ago they were kicking the ship out of people.

1294
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 4: Like.

1295
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 5: How did that happen?

1296
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 10: Like did you like did you did you have to

1297
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 10: go to.

1298
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 5: School for this?

1299
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 9: Or seriously, I had a really good partner in John Annick.

1300
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 9: This guy showed me the rope, showed me how to

1301
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 9: do things, so that that that honestly he is he's I.

1302
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 5: Mean, I hardly go to fights anymore, like because I

1303
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 5: don't have that many fighters. I'm kind of going at

1304
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 5: the twilight of my career and I'm kind of like

1305
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 5: I've had enough. But watching it watch it now on TV,

1306
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 5: and why see it is so it's so important who's

1307
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 5: announcing it. It's so important, you know, and having guy

1308
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 5: you know, John with working with when he works with

1309
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 5: Dcor or Michael or or Joe Rogan and just having

1310
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 5: those guys are either really really really good or they suck,

1311
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: And when they suck, it does take away from the fight.

1312
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 5: Even a great fight isn't as good if you don't

1313
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 5: have great announcers, and a terrible fight it is a

1314
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 5: little bit better with terrible announcers, so they really can

1315
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 5: make or break the fight. And so I mean, John

1316
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 5: Attack is like made.

1317
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: To do this.

1318
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 5: I'm sure, I'm sure he'll be doing this forever.

1319
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 8: Well, I you know, I appreciate your support.

1320
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 7: And there's nothing like getting that Pitmaster text after a

1321
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 7: long night on the microphone.

1322
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 8: And you know I appreciate that.

1323
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 7: But when I see you at these fight weeks, as

1324
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 7: I did last Wednesday, and there's no arrogance to you whatsoever.

1325
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 7: But you do walk around the host hotel like a

1326
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 7: guy who knows something that maybe the rest of us

1327
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 7: don't know about. Your guy glover to Shaa Cashing as

1328
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 7: a plus one sixty underdog this weekend, and he looked

1329
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 7: to be an outstanding shape. I didn't believe that he

1330
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 7: was properly priced in that range as the underdog but

1331
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 7: I mean he looks great. You obviously deserve a lot

1332
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 7: of the credit, which you will deflect. But congrats on

1333
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 7: a huge Wednesday night, my man.

1334
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 10: I thank you. Yeah.

1335
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 5: I've had Glover since his first fight, and I used

1336
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 5: to make him study his homework because he lived in

1337
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 5: my He lived at my house for a long time

1338
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 5: and taught at my school. He taught the kids best.

1339
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 5: I mean, he's such a good kids, uh martial arts.

1340
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 5: But I used to make him first homework. Hey, coach,

1341
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna go bed and now I go

1342
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: watch Mike Tyson tapes for ten minutes. First said Mike Tyson,

1343
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 5: because he had that style.

1344
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 10: Now with that said.

1345
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 5: And that he is a training machine. He loved his training,

1346
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 5: you know, like the barrels, the sledgehammer. He was made

1347
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 5: for that old school stuff that we do in my compound.

1348
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 5: But now at forty, right, it is a bit much.

1349
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 5: So he was getting a little like like he did

1350
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 5: with a couple of fights, like with Gastapson and Corey

1351
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 5: Corey Anderson. Sometimes it was it's hard because he's getting

1352
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 5: a little older, but he still wanted to train super hard.

1353
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 5: But with that new UFC whatever, PI thing that they

1354
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 5: have like that the UFC. I can't even tell you

1355
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 5: how much I love the UFC and Dana White. We've

1356
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: had our ups and downs, especially over Chubb, but he

1357
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 5: is doing such a good job. He's put such a

1358
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 5: thing together that's I mean, just such a brand. But

1359
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 5: that UFC, they train the fighters and you can go there,

1360
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 5: and they had these excellent physical training coaches. Yeah, Glas

1361
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 5: Glover has taken some of that combined it with the

1362
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 5: old school pit stuff. So now he's doing their workouts

1363
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 5: plus our workouts and and and the result is what

1364
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 5: you saw, uh, you know Wednesday night as well as

1365
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 5: he's taken the old school you know, uh Mike Tyson

1366
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 5: style that he had Bobby and weave in and coming

1367
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 5: in with his you know, really powerful strikes he has.

1368
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 5: He already has excellent wrestling and jiu jitsu, we know that.

1369
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 5: But his boxing coach in Connecticut is phenomenal. A lot

1370
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 5: of that head head boom and game. The guy's name

1371
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 5: is for uh Nelly right for Nellie for Lee's and

1372
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 5: he his two sons are heavyweight Golden Glove Boxing Champions

1373
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 5: and that's Glover's top Now those are his main spine

1374
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 5: partners and he has to get out of the way

1375
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 5: with them because they are boxing phenoms. I mean, what

1376
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 5: was then the Olympic team of a.

1377
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, Glover shouted one of them out right for Nelly

1378
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 7: Flees Junior. I believe that the win, right, Yeah.

1379
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 5: Unbelievable and they spar with him. So it's like they

1380
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 5: spar with him, like like they're teaching him and he's

1381
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 5: teaching them, and then all of a sudden he'll do

1382
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 5: a you know, a takedown and ship and these guys

1383
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 5: are boxers, but but they allow him to do that

1384
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 5: with him, So he has best spar And then he

1385
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: has Kyle Magalas, who has fun in the UFC, but

1386
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 5: he's one of the toughest, strongest, most brutal jiu jitsu

1387
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 5: grapplers there is. He's just a brutal guy. He fights

1388
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 5: at one eighty five, but he's he's powerful. So between

1389
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 5: those two right there, Glover has the best, I think,

1390
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 5: one of the best training camps.

1391
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 10: You know.

1392
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 5: I came in so I have my part and I

1393
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna say I'm not an influence at all,

1394
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 5: but right now with his training camp in Connecticut, it's

1395
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 5: like Stepe, you know, they don't have to go to

1396
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 5: the big time training camps with one hundred and eighty fighters.

1397
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 5: They all hate each other and his politics and you

1398
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 5: know like that his training camp is is is his gym,

1399
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 5: and you got to remember globatics. Shara runs a successful

1400
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 5: martial arts gym where he teaches Hawaiian KEMPFO our system

1401
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 5: to kids and adults. Okay, he runs a successful fight team.

1402
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 5: He coaches a successful fight team where his fighters fighting Bellator,

1403
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 5: PFL and even one's going into the UC and he's

1404
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 5: in charge of that. He's a landlord, right, He's a homeowner, right,

1405
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 5: So I mean, and he's a UFC fighter and he's

1406
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 5: doing all of that at the same time. He is

1407
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 5: an amazing and he's never stopped smiling. So he's an

1408
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 5: amazing person that you know, I'm so I'm so lucky

1409
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: to work with. But a lot of what he is

1410
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 5: coming up with, you know, because he was he was

1411
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 5: self trained for a while. You know, when you got

1412
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 5: when you got exiled to Brazil for a few years.

1413
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 5: You know, he was self trained. But when he came

1414
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 5: back he was doing okay. But you know, he moved

1415
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 5: to Connecticut, So I have a hard time. So now

1416
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 5: with all the stuff he has going on right now

1417
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 5: and in Connecticut, is I can't I can't be happier.

1418
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 5: It's like I'm watching you don't even need more than that.

1419
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 5: He doesn't need need a plethora of sparing partners. He

1420
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 5: doesn't need a cornucopia of fucking different looks. He gets

1421
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 5: all the different looks because those boxers, they'll give him

1422
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 5: the different look right. The only thing is we need

1423
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 5: to work on his kicks a little more.

1424
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: So.

1425
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 5: I was working on the spinning back kick, and you

1426
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 5: see how quickly he picks shit like that up boom,

1427
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 5: that's spinning back kick he landed. You could tell how

1428
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 5: much that hurt. I'm telling you right now, it really does.

1429
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 9: It's it's probably the most underrated technique in mixed martial arts.

1430
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: It's such a great counter that people don't use enough of. John.

1431
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 8: It's and it's great to see karate come back.

1432
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1433
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 9: You know for a lot of the elite fighters, Like now,

1434
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 9: people are realizing, like shit, we've been leaving all these

1435
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 9: amazing techniques on the table.

1436
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 8: But John, when you were.

1437
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 5: That, I know, I know karate And then they get

1438
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 5: dropped with this spinning bag exactly. Glover picks up. He's

1439
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 5: such an anthlete, he's like he's like Court McGee. Those

1440
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 5: two guys are the most conditioned athletes. They come out

1441
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 5: of the fifth round just as just as ready and

1442
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 5: just as conditioned as the first round.

1443
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 4: That was.

1444
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 9: That was a big difference fight with Anthony Smith. I think,

1445
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 9: and you know early on, John, what was going on

1446
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 9: in your mind? And what did you tell a Glover

1447
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 9: after that first round? Because Anthony Smith looked great after

1448
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 9: that first round. You, I know you've been there and

1449
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 9: done that, You've seen it all. What did you tell

1450
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 9: a Glover after that first round when things started to

1451
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 9: kind of really turn around?

1452
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 5: For I wanted to. I wanted to I wanted to

1453
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 5: trap against the cage bar, like not follow but but

1454
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 5: off the cage. More. I wanted to start using is

1455
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 5: whichever way he's going use a kick, So I wanted

1456
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 5: to start kicking over the late kick or the spinning

1457
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 5: back kick, and uh and then and then uh Brnale

1458
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 5: wanted more heavy one. You got to realize that first

1459
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 5: round in which he did lose on all three judges

1460
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 5: including mine, the punches weren't landing like I thought they were,

1461
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 5: even when I was watching. When I watched it in

1462
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 5: slow motion, he was riding like Roberto Duran used to, Yeah,

1463
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 5: writing almost all of the punches, not all of them.

1464
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 5: A couple of them got in, but not nearly as

1465
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 5: much as people thought. People thought a lot of them

1466
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 5: got in, but some did, and he did win the

1467
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: round because he was more He was more aggressive and effective,

1468
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 5: but not as effective as it looked. And that's why

1469
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 5: Roberta Duran, a lot of people thought he was getting

1470
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 5: punched more than he was because they'd ride with the

1471
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 5: punch and Glovert is doing that great now, and that

1472
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: a lot has to do with Bernalito Feliz.

1473
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 8: And his dad.

1474
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 7: So in terms of the stoppage, right, a lot of

1475
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 7: us saw a glover to share, a who was not

1476
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 7: slowing down at all. A lot of the masses out

1477
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 7: there saw opportunities for the corner, if not the referee,

1478
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 7: to involve themselves and maybe stop the fight.

1479
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 8: What did you think about the stoppage being in the

1480
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 8: opposite corner.

1481
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're gonna need an extra sip of water for

1482
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 7: this answer, Johnny boop up.

1483
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 5: Is the corner as the corner. I didn't think it'should

1484
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 5: be stopped, okay, because I was watching Glover only I

1485
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 5: was worried about Glover. If you guys know, I don't know,

1486
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 5: if you know, like the referees, noe. Big John knows it.

1487
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 5: He talks about it at fighter meetings. He used to

1488
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 5: talk about I stopped fights like that. I mean, I

1489
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 5: stopped fights. The towel goes in, like you know a

1490
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 5: lot of I can name a lot of them.

1491
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 10: I don't want to, but I.

1492
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 5: Stopped fights too early. So I'm I'm that guy, and

1493
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 5: and I tell my fighters I'm gonna stop the fight

1494
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 5: really early. And if you don't like that, if you

1495
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 5: want to tough it out, get someone else in your corner.

1496
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 5: I will throw on the towel. So but with that said,

1497
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 5: as being in Glover's corner, I'm only worried about Glover

1498
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 5: and how he's doing. I didn't even notice. I really

1499
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 5: didn't notice that it should have been stopped, or shouldn't

1500
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 5: have been stopped with with Anthony, So I didn't even

1501
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 5: think about it during the fight, like it should have

1502
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 5: been stopped. Watching it after right, I would have stopped it.

1503
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 5: But but you got to realize when like not that

1504
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 5: long ago, Keith Peterson was being you know, dogged for

1505
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 5: stopping it too soon, right, That was that was crazy

1506
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 5: and it was really rude too, saying he smelled like alcohol.

1507
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 5: But let's not talk about that. But but with this fight,

1508
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 5: I didn't see as much opportunity for the referee to

1509
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 5: stop it because I see giving him every chance. It's

1510
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 5: a five round fight. The corner. I would have stopped

1511
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 5: it in the middle, the middle part, even before the

1512
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 5: middle of the third round, I would have thrown the

1513
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 5: towel without a doubt. But you got to realize this,

1514
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 5: even after I would have stopped it, Anthony was still

1515
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 5: dangerous and he actually connected with Glover a couple of times.

1516
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 5: We've all seen people getting the shit kicked out of

1517
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 5: him and then win in the last ten seconds with

1518
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 5: one punch like uh one Rose, no, Genis.

1519
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 8: Boyfriend, Yeah, Pat Berry and check Kongo.

1520
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that fight should have been stopped without a doubt.

1521
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 5: He had a bad kincussion. That's what I want to

1522
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,440
Speaker 5: stop a fight, right, a bad concussion.

1523
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 10: So but then he won.

1524
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 5: So when when when I stopped a fight too early,

1525
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 5: which which I do sometimes, I'm stealing potentially half of

1526
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 5: my f purse. I'm taking it off off the it's

1527
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 5: no more on the table, so I take it off

1528
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 5: that and and that and maybe a title shot, maybe,

1529
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 5: you know whatever else. Their pride, I take that away

1530
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 5: from them. And that's what a trainer does when he

1531
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 5: stops to fight too early. So I would have stopped

1532
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 5: the fight without a doubt the middle of the third round.

1533
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 5: And Glover knows that, Chuck knows that found that out

1534
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 5: a few times, right, But it's not. That doesn't mean

1535
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 5: that I'm more of a caring coach or like I

1536
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 5: have a bigger heart for my fighters. And that's what

1537
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 5: people say. Okay, I don't know if that's true or not,

1538
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 5: but I tell you this, I've taken the I've taken

1539
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 5: the opportunity of some of my fighters. I've taken a

1540
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 5: win off the table for them prematurely. And I know

1541
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 5: that for a fact that some of the fights I've stopped,

1542
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 5: I've stopped like John Polakowski buckets of blood. I've stopped

1543
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 5: a couple of his fights where he could have easily

1544
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 5: came back and won. But I just don't want to

1545
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 5: see it. And I love my guys and it makes

1546
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 5: me sad, make right, and I don't want to see

1547
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 5: them get hit anymore because I go crazy. You know.

1548
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a tricky thing.

1549
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 7: It's a tricky thing because that corner is essentially your

1550
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 7: family and I can't even imagine the conversation.

1551
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 5: Mark Montoya loves it. Mark Montoya loves his guys, you know,

1552
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 5: he loves it just like I do. He loves fighters.

1553
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 5: He's a close git Jim, so like to say something

1554
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 5: rude about him and mean is just it makes him

1555
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 5: feel bad. It makes him sad, just like it's just

1556
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 5: like whatever fucking Dominic was saying to Keith Peterson that

1557
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 5: hurt his feelings. That makes Peterson really sad. It was

1558
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 5: really uncalled for it and made him sad, you know.

1559
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 5: And and and saying these things about Mark Montoya and

1560
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 5: printing things that makes Mark sad. Maybe he just up

1561
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 5: the fight, you know, But but that's between him and

1562
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 5: his his family member. Who who is Anthony Smith? And

1563
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 5: the only person that matters to is is Mark Montoya

1564
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 5: and Anthony Smith. And Anthony Smith is okay, was okay

1565
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 5: with with him not stobbing it, So really doesn't matter.

1566
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 5: It's a moot point. Whoever does think it?

1567
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 10: Now?

1568
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 5: A lot of times I watch fights and I want

1569
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 5: the referee to stop it, and I'll be yelling at

1570
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 5: the screen. Of course, I hate watching fights.

1571
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 10: I'm like this.

1572
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 5: It's like if as soon as somebody gets hit more

1573
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 5: than once, I'll just watch something else. I'll go on

1574
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 5: my computer. I don't want to see it. Of course,

1575
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 5: I see another man you punch in the face, I

1576
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 5: hate it.

1577
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 8: You know.

1578
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 5: That's one reason I'm like this in corner. That's why

1579
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 5: I'm so bad as the corner man.

1580
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 10: I hate this.

1581
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 5: I hate that part of this sport, and I wish

1582
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 5: to god they could change shit and people don't get

1583
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 5: hit in the head anymore. So Mark Montoya, maybe sure,

1584
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 5: stop maybe not, But Anthony doesn't think he should have,

1585
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 5: and Mark's okay with it. So everybody else's opinion between

1586
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 5: two family members, I don't know, you know, I.

1587
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 7: Think well, right, I like it well, and that's why

1588
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,839
Speaker 7: they should just take my opinion as one man's opinion.

1589
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 8: And I love Mark Bontoy.

1590
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 7: And maybe when I say, as I did earlier on

1591
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 7: the show, that it's an opportunity to affect change, I'm

1592
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 7: sure he doesn't care about that. He's focused on his

1593
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 7: athlete and his team. But I'm telling you, John, if

1594
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 7: there were more high profile corner men like you in

1595
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 7: high profile situations who threw in a towel. I think

1596
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 7: in the future, future corner men and women would have

1597
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 7: less pause to try to save their fighter. Go ahead,

1598
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 7: flow and John, I was going to ask you.

1599
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 9: You know, you've been around the game for a long time,

1600
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 9: and I think this is probably the reason that you

1601
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 9: lean that way. But why is it that you feel

1602
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 9: you're more willing to stop a fight over maybe the

1603
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 9: current crop of coaches. And I know you wouldn't want

1604
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 9: to throw anyone down there, but but what's the reason

1605
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 9: for you wanting to because you've seen the effects of it,

1606
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 9: or or.

1607
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 5: What I think, because I've been there and I know

1608
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 5: how it feels to just get hit in the head

1609
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 5: and fucking not you've.

1610
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 3: Been a fighter yourself obviously as well.

1611
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, hearing your mom calling you home for like mom's

1612
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 5: calling you for breakfast in the morning, you know, like

1613
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,799
Speaker 5: and she's not even there or like or like sometimes

1614
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 5: you get hit really really hard and you have a

1615
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 5: we call it. Oh you don't have a registered nurse too,

1616
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 5: And that's that's a terrible thing for a for a fighter,

1617
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 5: a coach to be because now I have all the

1618
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 5: knowledge about what's going on every time they get hit,

1619
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh shit. And and you know,

1620
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,799
Speaker 5: you smell things that aren't there. And just like sometimes

1621
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 5: you get it real hit, real hard, you smell alcohol

1622
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 5: on the referee breath. I mean, you have these hallucinations.

1623
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 5: It's a terrible thing and I hate to see.

1624
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 4: I just hate it.

1625
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, hey, listen, my man. So we got Aljamaine Sterling

1626
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 7: in the queue. I wish we had more time, but

1627
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 7: you are the best. We got to do a full

1628
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 7: sixty minutes with you, honestly, because there are a lot

1629
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 7: of things I want to get.

1630
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 3: To with you.

1631
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 7: So in a couple of weeks we're going to hit

1632
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 7: you up and we're going to do a Hackleman episode.

1633
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 7: We're going to do a full sixty minutes. But you're

1634
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 7: the best. Keep it up on social media and any

1635
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 7: parting shop before we let you fly, bro, I just

1636
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 7: want to.

1637
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 5: Say, without guys like you out there, you know, both

1638
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 5: of you guys are so good for the sport, and

1639
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 5: you guys representing the sport like that. As for a

1640
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 5: fan like me, which I love this sport, I just

1641
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 5: hate when they get hit. You make it so much better.

1642
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 8: So thank you, well, congrats on it. We appreciate you,

1643
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 8: and we'll do it extendedly soon.

1644
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 10: My man.

1645
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 7: There he is the pitmaster, John Hackerman with us here

1646
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 7: on the Anak and Florian podcast. And it's important insight

1647
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 7: to get from him, right, because he has a wealth

1648
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 7: of experience and knowledge and he presents it in a

1649
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 7: way that I think is digestible. And if you do

1650
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 7: look at his videos too, I mean there's so many

1651
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 7: of these elite striking coaches, Ken Flow, Henry Hoof, John Hackleman.

1652
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 7: It's a simplification process, you know. Yeah, And I like

1653
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 7: that spinning back kick stuff out of you guys. That's

1654
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 7: what gets me going, you got. So we'll see how

1655
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 7: the Anthony Smith recovery goes. And I do think big picture,

1656
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 7: he's the guy right who stands by his corner man.

1657
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 7: And I don't believe Anthony Smith is doing that just

1658
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 7: for any public appeal, because it's the opposite of the

1659
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 7: stance that maybe some people would like him to take.

1660
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 7: You know, I said earlier, I didn't love to hear

1661
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 7: him say that he thought Herzog's comment that he should

1662
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 7: have stopped the fight was cowardly, you know. But I

1663
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 7: do believe that Anthony Smith, if he could do it again,

1664
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 7: he wants the opportunity to throw what I called cosmetic

1665
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 7: offense and try to find a way to pull a

1666
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 7: rabbit out of the hat.

1667
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, and again after a little while, it just it

1668
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 9: just wasn't going to happen. He didn't have the conditioning,

1669
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 9: he was exhausted, didn't have you know, those moves in

1670
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 9: his back pocket to pull off the wind against an

1671
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 9: experience and tough guy like Glover Tsira, and you know

1672
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 9: it's already been done, but they should to stop the

1673
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 9: fight early. I hope, I hope that you know, those

1674
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 9: later what round and a half or so doesn't have

1675
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 9: its effect on Anthony Smith and that he could still

1676
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 9: have the.

1677
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 3: Career that he could have moving forward.

1678
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 7: And Tony Ferguson is the terminator. And I'm not sure

1679
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 7: what his species is, whether he's a human being or not.

1680
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 7: When I see him dancing in the hospital and it

1681
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 7: looks like he's already recovering, the swelling is starting to

1682
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 7: really dissipate. But yes, I was more bothered as a

1683
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 7: fight fan. I know I have a hot microphone, but

1684
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 7: by the Ferguson thing, I guess than the Anthony Smith thing,

1685
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 7: because I think about the long term damage that Tony

1686
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 7: Ferguson took in that fight, and I think a lot

1687
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 7: of these guys are victims of their own toughness. And again,

1688
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 7: we're gonna be having conversations down the line, and hopefully

1689
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 7: those are good conversations and twenty five years down the line,

1690
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 7: all right now with us, and we apologize for keeping

1691
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 7: him waiting. He's a good man. He's the number two

1692
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 7: rank UFC Bandaway contender right now. Man, just looking to

1693
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 7: prove that he's the best guy in the world at

1694
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 7: one hundred and thirty five pounds and might just get

1695
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 7: that opportunit unity sooner than you think. The great bunk

1696
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 7: mass Al Jamain Sterling is here a man, baby, I'm

1697
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 7: hand baby.

1698
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 3: It looks so good.

1699
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 7: I mean, if I could have bought stock in this

1700
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 7: guy a few years ago, Ken Flow, if I could

1701
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 7: have bought stock in Aljamain Sterling, I would have bought

1702
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 7: and I wouldn't be selling now with this four fight

1703
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 7: winning street six of seven.

1704
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 8: You're looking great, man? How you feeling pretty good?

1705
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 4: We just got a dog pound workout session this morning.

1706
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 4: We got another one later tonight crushing Man getting geared

1707
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 4: up for June six. Hopefully we could put that on

1708
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,879
Speaker 4: pause and get ready for a title fight instead.

1709
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 7: So let's start with the wrist then, because I know

1710
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 7: it was a pretty invasive surgery. I know you went

1711
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 7: to the UFCPI to really try to dive into the rehabilitation.

1712
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 7: Where is the risk and how satisfied are you with

1713
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 7: that part of the process now in the rear view mirror,

1714
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 7: I mean.

1715
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 4: I'm satisfying in terms of the pain. The pain is gone.

1716
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 4: I don't to be one hundred percent honest. I don't

1717
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 4: have full range of motion, which is okay, it's better

1718
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 4: than what it was before. I actually have grip strength,

1719
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 4: can actually hold people now again and get takedown. So

1720
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 4: that's the one relief after finally getting this prosizure done.

1721
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 4: But I wish I had got it done a little

1722
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 4: bit earlier because I think the range emotion would have

1723
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 4: been a little bit better had I gotten it right

1724
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 4: after the Pedro fight instead of being told that I

1725
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: might fight Frank Jeger at MSG. You know, so I

1726
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 4: was willing to put that off on hold, and I

1727
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 4: was even willing to fight Pdon to figure out who

1728
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 4: the real number one contender was to kind of get

1729
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 4: ready for Henry Siulo to come back from his surgery.

1730
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1731
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,799
Speaker 4: It seems like the stars kind of aligned for everybody

1732
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,759
Speaker 4: and hopefully better for myself.

1733
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, so al jaw.

1734
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 9: You know, I don't know if there's more clarity or

1735
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 9: less clarity after the title fight that just happened between

1736
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 9: Suhuto and Dominica Cruz, But I guess I have two questions.

1737
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 9: Number one, what did you think of the stoppage? And

1738
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 9: number two, what do you think is gonna happen with

1739
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 9: Sahudo and the rest of the division. Do you think

1740
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 9: that's a legitimate retirement from Suhudo or do you think

1741
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 9: he's gonna be able to stay of UFC.

1742
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,520
Speaker 4: I will say I thought the I thought the stoppage

1743
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 4: was like right on the border. But I do think

1744
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 4: dom was done. He hated about we counted thirteen on

1745
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 4: answered strikes and I'm not saying they were the biggest bombs,

1746
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 4: and some of them were kind of glancing, But I

1747
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 4: don't think he was in a bad way when he

1748
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 4: got hit with that. As Dominic Reyes puts it, a

1749
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 4: crow hawk. After the knee his whole head planted. It

1750
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 4: was it did not look good. I'm not saying he

1751
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 4: couldn't have Raley back. We would never know, but there

1752
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 4: was some pretty significant strikes and it was kind of

1753
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 4: it kind of reminded me of TJ. Dill Show when

1754
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: he fought Henry S as well in that same position.

1755
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: And the one thing I will give credit for it

1756
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: for say, you know did really well when he had

1757
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 4: him in the turtle position. He didn't have a tight

1758
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 4: weights with his right arm and just punched with the left.

1759
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,839
Speaker 4: He took his right hand and he froze Dominic Cruz's

1760
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 4: right arm to the match, so he couldn't do the

1761
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 4: granby role that he normally does or try to get

1762
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 4: back to his feet. So him blocking the arm lad

1763
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 4: of nose strikes took away Cruise's ability to block the

1764
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 4: punches and for him to roll out of danger to

1765
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 4: kind of recover. So so you know did a really

1766
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 4: good job in that position. And even though he was

1767
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 4: he was on his way up when the ref jumped in,

1768
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 4: So it's really hard to say that Cruz was still

1769
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 4: in it. I mean, he could have probably landed another

1770
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 4: three or four punches, and we really don't know what

1771
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 4: would have happened. I don't know. So that I felt

1772
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 4: like it was okay, stop you ate that many strikes

1773
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 4: you didn't block, you couldn't roll. It's really hard. I

1774
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 4: don't even I don't know, man. It's one of those

1775
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 4: things where it's a title fight. I know what he's

1776
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 4: talking about and giving him every opportunity, but we saw

1777
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,839
Speaker 4: every opportunity against Anthony Smith versus Globe to Shara.

1778
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 7: All right, you know, and you know what's interesting to

1779
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 7: Al Joe is that Keith Peterson said all he was

1780
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 7: really looking from Dom was one hand to the face, right,

1781
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 7: just show me that you're trying to block a headshot.

1782
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 7: And of course his right arm wasn't able to do that,

1783
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 7: but he was trying to post. And people talk a

1784
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 7: lot about the referee needed to know how much times

1785
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 7: in the round. I do believe it's coming upon the athlete.

1786
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 7: If there's only two seconds, just total desperation, put a

1787
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 7: hand up, whatever you gotta do. He couldn't extend to

1788
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 7: the third and here's our reality.

1789
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 4: You know, I agree, when you're in the heat of

1790
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 4: the moment, the ref's not checking his wristwatch and going away,

1791
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 4: there's only four seconds left. Let me see if he survive.

1792
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 4: It doesn't really work like that. They're on full on

1793
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 4: panic mode to make sure they make the right stoppage

1794
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 4: at the right time. And it's a stressful, a stressful

1795
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 4: situation for job, for for refs. You know, it's not

1796
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 4: an easy it's a very unforgiving job. You know. I

1797
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 4: can definitely attest to that just watching from the outside, like,

1798
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 4: damn if you do, damn if you don't. And to

1799
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 4: answer your other question, I don't know Sayoda's really retiring.

1800
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 4: I just started hearing rumblings from Ali saying that he's

1801
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 4: gonna be gearing up the fight in July or at

1802
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 4: the end of the summer or something like that, So

1803
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's just trying to get extra money.

1804
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 4: If he's going away, that'd be great for the division.

1805
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 4: We could start finally getting some normalcy with the best

1806
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 4: guys fighting the best guys and not make this like

1807
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 4: boxing with the clown fights. And you're not saying Dom

1808
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 4: is a clown, but I'm saying he hasn't fall in

1809
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 4: just about four years. So for him to not fighting

1810
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 4: four years and then jump in and think that you

1811
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 4: deserve a shot coming off of a dominant loss. Right,

1812
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 4: That's where for me kind of it's on that borderline

1813
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 4: of a clown fight. Yeah, he was the greatest of

1814
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 4: all time, I think for all the time has passed

1815
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 4: him on, and I'm not taken away from his accompli

1816
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 4: accomplishments in the past, but we're in a different eror baby, Right,

1817
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 4: you got Myself, you got Sanhagen, you got the Pitons,

1818
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 4: you got the song, You're Donald You's got the Marlon Vera's,

1819
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 4: you got Marlin Mariaz. There's a lot of tough people

1820
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 4: out there that are looking up to these guys, and

1821
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 4: we're trying to fill those shoes and close that gap

1822
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 4: from the king with all the rest of the competition.

1823
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 7: So in terms of the risk, just to go back

1824
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 7: to that, right, part of the reason that Domina Cruz

1825
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 7: maybe got this fight and you didn't could have been

1826
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 7: the fact that maybe the timeline wasn't perfect. Couldn't it

1827
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 7: have been that Tehuto didn't want to fight you, right,

1828
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 7: That Tahudo right felt like you were the most dangerous

1829
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 7: guy at one hundred and thirty five pounds, and maybe

1830
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 7: that was the reason you didn't get the fight.

1831
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 4: It could be I think there's a lot of pieces

1832
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 4: to the puzzle that for so, you know, to take

1833
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 4: a fight with any one of us young guys, it's

1834
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,480
Speaker 4: the wrestling. For me, it's the reach, it's the durability

1835
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 4: in terms of punishment, and I think I'm a fresher guy.

1836
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 4: I can take that. I could wear the damage a

1837
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 4: little bit better. I mean, I've been hit got hit

1838
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 4: with some bombs from from uh Paedri Munhos and I,

1839
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, not rather one bit. So I think it's

1840
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 4: a little bit different when he's cracking these other guys

1841
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 4: and he can kind of get them out there a

1842
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 4: little bit easier. Not saying like Marlon, but Marlin's been TKO,

1843
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of times, not just the one

1844
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 4: time against Seyudo, So I think it's tough to say.

1845
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 4: I hope it wasn't the hand because I told him

1846
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 4: I was good to go. I threw my name in

1847
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 4: the hat, and if it was for a title fight,

1848
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 4: that's a risk I'm willing to take. Even during the

1849
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 4: coronavirus quarantine, that's the risk I'm willing to take. The

1850
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 4: pay is two and a half times the amount that

1851
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 4: I'm getting now, so I think financially, I can make

1852
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,839
Speaker 4: cat make a lot of sense and a lot of commas,

1853
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 4: you know, So I think it's good though. You know,

1854
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 4: he got his money fight. He was on a big

1855
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 4: car with Tony Ferguson versus justin Gaegee. So I think

1856
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 4: that worked out for him in his favor, and hopefully

1857
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 4: that's enough for him to ride off into the sunset

1858
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 4: and never come bother us again.

1859
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 7: And I didn't put it right in terms of the rist,

1860
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 7: I guess the better question would be, do you think

1861
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 7: that a month later, competing in mid June or late June,

1862
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 7: that the range of motion in the wrist could be

1863
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 7: that much better if you get an extra four or

1864
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 7: five weeks before you fight.

1865
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred percent more. I said the same thing

1866
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 4: to Sean Shelby. He asked me when i'd be ready

1867
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 4: to go back in like I think the UFC Virginia card.

1868
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 4: I saw him and I said, you know what, more

1869
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 4: time is always going to be best. But I'm good

1870
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 4: to go now. I was cleared. I'm training, I'm sparring,

1871
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 4: doing everything I'm supposed to be doing as a high

1872
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 4: level athlete. It's just I'm just a little bit limited

1873
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 4: in terms of the ranger motion. But some people are

1874
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 4: limited with their kicks, you know, so my deficit mikes

1875
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 4: up for someone else's deficits. So kind of honest hisself out,

1876
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 4: that's the way I kind of look at it. My

1877
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 4: best me today, the best version of me versus the

1878
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 4: best version of you today. So I would have been

1879
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 4: one hundred percent down to take a fight in. More

1880
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 4: time is always always better. More time is always better.

1881
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 7: So in my mind, you are the number one Bandamway contender.

1882
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 7: And I say that with all due respect to Marlon

1883
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 7: but Ice, who has the number one next to his name.

1884
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 7: But I believe on the strength of the Pedro munoz

1885
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 7: Win that being your fourth in a row, six of

1886
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 7: seven and everything you bring to the table, and it's

1887
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 7: not because Long goes on the fucking show. I believe

1888
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 7: you to be the most worthy of a championship opportunity.

1889
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 7: But you have risen to that status right now while

1890
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 7: there's this COVID nineteen backdrop. So what do you do

1891
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 7: in terms of your training regiment knowing that not only

1892
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 7: could you be fighting one of the other best guys

1893
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 7: in the world here in three weeks, but you might

1894
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 7: be fighting for a vacant UFC Bandaway Championship in a month.

1895
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy. It's a lot to take in, man,

1896
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 4: I tell you what, it's a blessing to be in

1897
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 4: this position. I really truly do feel I worked my

1898
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 4: ass off to get back here. I know I will

1899
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 4: never stop saying it. You know, a loss like that

1900
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 4: to Marlin and devastating, notckout, even though I still believe

1901
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 4: personally is my fault, my own undoing. And you know,

1902
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 4: Malin kind of subtly admitted to that that that wasn't

1903
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 4: the exact thing he was looking to do. But that's

1904
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 4: a career changer. Man. There's a lot of people who

1905
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 4: don't bounce back from that, especially being so young and

1906
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 4: in your career. It kind of make you have all

1907
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 4: these self doubts and from there you can just spiral,

1908
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 4: spiral down with the two three four losses in a

1909
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 4: row and get cut. You know, sometimes it's just two losses,

1910
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,680
Speaker 4: you know. So I'm just glad I've been able to

1911
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 4: bounce back, keep my head on right, and I got

1912
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 4: the right coaches in my corner, the good teammates, and

1913
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 4: I did the right things after that knockout. I took

1914
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 4: some time off from from from sparring and from training.

1915
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 4: And I think when I fought picked Brett Johns, I didn't.

1916
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 10: Spar and toe.

1917
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 4: What was it the last week before the fight or

1918
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 4: the weekend half before the fight, And that was the

1919
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,839
Speaker 4: only sparring I actually did. And all I did was Russell.

1920
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I'm going to wrestle.

1921
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 4: I told these guys come after me. I want to

1922
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 4: see where my chin's at. And thank god I didn't

1923
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 4: get hit. But you know, I just wrestled. You know,

1924
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm just doing the right things, you know, trying to

1925
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 4: take less damage to the brain, trying to preserve my

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Speaker 4: body more longevity, and maybe one day I can have

1927
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Speaker 4: a career like you guys in color commentating or a

1928
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Speaker 4: successful podcast and doing things like that. And obviously you

1929
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Speaker 4: need your brain and your health intact. And that's one

1930
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Speaker 4: of the things I'm really really focused on. Like by

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Speaker 4: name is great, I love it. Trust me. I come

1932
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Speaker 4: from a rustling background. We used to do this for

1933
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Speaker 4: free cut wait for free week at the you're telling me,

1934
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Speaker 4: I can make a couple of thousand dollars, like a

1935
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Speaker 4: pay for a couple of houses and go vacations and

1936
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Speaker 4: lavish luxuries places and like sign me up man. I

1937
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Speaker 4: like so gravy man, and I see the proper twelve.

1938
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Speaker 4: You know, there's nothing wrong having one of those at

1939
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Speaker 4: a hard earned fight cam and especially a hard earned victory.

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Speaker 7: Dude, there are a lot of guys like you and

1941
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Speaker 7: Francis and Ghanu that I do believe that with the

1942
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Speaker 7: belt around your waist you can take that step to superstart.

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Speaker 7: I mean you might not even need the belt. I mean,

1944
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Speaker 7: you know, if you need a reference for TV, I

1945
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Speaker 7: got that in my back pocket for you any day.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: You're doing your podcast, the Weekly Scraps, obviously, so I

1948
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Speaker 7: know you ingest a lot of this MMA stuff to

1949
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 7: begin with. But do you find that you're either watching

1950
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Speaker 7: the fight game more analytically than before for knowing that

1951
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Speaker 7: you have to talk about it on the other side,

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Speaker 7: or is it just the way you are and have

1953
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Speaker 7: always been.

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Speaker 4: Definitely more for the analytical side and just because I

1955
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Speaker 4: enjoy it. I watch. I'm one of those guys who

1956
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Speaker 4: watches the first prelims to the main event.

1957
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Speaker 3: This is really all I do.

1958
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Speaker 4: This a little bit of real estate on the side,

1959
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Speaker 4: and now I'm kind of working on my green thumb

1960
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 4: outside in the yard and doing a little bit of

1961
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Speaker 4: handy work. I really been doing some stuff. I' about

1962
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Speaker 4: to start the cabinets hopefully sometime this week. And I'm

1963
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Speaker 4: just still all about learning. Man, that's really it, and

1964
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Speaker 4: to just kind of be a sponge. I don't have

1965
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Speaker 4: any other job that's bringing in money, so this is

1966
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Speaker 4: my main focus, focus on fighting. I could talk about fighting.

1967
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Speaker 4: It's kind of like when I was coaching, and when

1968
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Speaker 4: I was coaching wrestling, and like right after I was wrestling,

1969
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Speaker 4: I think anak Floria. You know, once you go from

1970
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Speaker 4: being the student to now the teacher, you start to

1971
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 4: understand the philosophy is a little bit deeper and you

1972
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 4: could see it way better, and you get a better

1973
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Speaker 4: understanding of how things work and what positions and kind

1974
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 4: of just know off the rip, okay, this is what

1975
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Speaker 4: I need to do in comparison to before, where you're

1976
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 4: sometimes your your brain just doesn't see it, but when

1977
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Speaker 4: you take a step back, it gives you, like that

1978
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Speaker 4: bigger picture and you can understand just breaking down the

1979
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Speaker 4: small minute details that make the situations work a little

1980
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Speaker 4: bit better. Especially by im in Ma. Man, we're fighting

1981
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Speaker 4: like it's a game. Of benches. You know, you use

1982
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Speaker 4: zigs or zag one way an inch or sending me

1983
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Speaker 4: to one way. That could be you on the canvas,

1984
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Speaker 4: or you being in a submission getting tapped and truncked out,

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Speaker 4: you know, or your arm even broken.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 4: So, uh, I think coaching has helped me out a lot,

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Speaker 4: and I think I'm watching the fights and breaking it

1989
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Speaker 4: down for the podcast has given me more opportunities to see, okay,

1990
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Speaker 4: what people are doing in different situations. Take those skills

1991
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 4: and but hey, guys, Kobe Covinton did this in the

1992
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Speaker 4: fight against Robby Lolo. This is what we're gonna work

1993
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,799
Speaker 4: on this this single leg. We're gonna work our strikes

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Speaker 4: into our entry. Once he gets to the cage, we're

1995
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Speaker 4: gonna step over the leg. We're gonna drive the knee inside.

1996
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Speaker 4: This is gonna give us a better position to grab

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Speaker 4: the ankle, scoop it out, and then we're gonna fut

1998
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Speaker 4: tweoplem in return to the mat and then we're gonna

1999
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Speaker 4: go from there and start working our transition. So it's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's been a big help, big.

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Speaker 7: T And even guys like me can understand what the

2002
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 7: fuck you just said. There see, and that's like simplifying.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 7: We got rapid fire questions here with the great al

2005
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 7: Jamain Sterling on the way out, So weapon for weapon,

2006
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Speaker 7: I've said, I think you're the most dangerous guy right

2007
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 7: now at one hundred and thirty five pounds with this

2008
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 7: presumed to be vacant title, who do you think is

2009
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Speaker 7: the most dangerous guy in the division?

2010
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Speaker 8: Is that a fair question to ask? It's uh, it's

2011
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 8: some one pass so if you want to pay, yeah, it's.

2012
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Speaker 4: Uh, who do I think is the most dangerous guy

2013
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 4: right now? Man? I'm I'm like torn between a Pan

2014
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Speaker 4: and Marlon Marais.

2015
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If I had to pick one, I think Yon because

2017
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 4: he has the cardio durability that we've seen, and we've

2018
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 4: seen Marlon kind of fade in the past. So for

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Speaker 4: my pick, I think it's pet On.

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Speaker 7: All right, Total fights for Al Joe in twenty twenty,

2021
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 7: you're trying to get two in this year.

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Speaker 4: What do you think I would love to if I

2023
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 4: can get one in June, I'm hoping I could fight

2024
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Speaker 4: again in November or December. That would be ideal.

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Speaker 8: All Right, This question much harder over under two and

2026
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Speaker 8: a half total kids for you and your lovely girlfriend

2027
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Speaker 8: when that time comes.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's the way when what time comes to have

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Speaker 4: the kids?

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Speaker 7: I'm saying you have an over under two and a half, right, So,

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Speaker 7: and if you say you're having over meaning you want

2032
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Speaker 7: three children or more, is it like a time frame

2033
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Speaker 7: on this or no?

2034
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Speaker 8: No time frame? Just how many kids are you gonna

2035
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 8: have over under two and a half.

2036
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go over two and a half.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, right, there's nothing but childcare for ten years.

2038
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 7: So let's talk first at least before you go run

2039
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 7: it back a third time. All right, factor fiction. If

2040
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 7: you were getting married this weekend, Morob Dwallish Willie gets

2041
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 7: a slot as a groomsman. Ooh, it's a good question, right,

2042
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 7: It is like you can pass on that probably.

2043
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 4: I got a lot of friends that feel like they

2044
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 4: probably shouldn't be.

2045
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Speaker 10: All right, Well, I just wanted to do you get?

2046
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 4: How many do you get?

2047
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 8: By the way, if I'm out, as many as you want?

2048
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2049
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 7: Ken Flow actually had a replacement groomsman the week of

2050
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 7: his wedding podcast, and I didn't get the calls the

2051
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 7: replacement grooms So all right, but well you've got time

2052
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 7: to think about it. But I want to start the

2053
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 7: campaign from a rob at least right now, other than

2054
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 7: mixed martial arts or wrestling, what sport were you best at?

2055
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 4: I mean, if you asked me, if you ask other people,

2056
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 4: they might say something else. I'm going to say basketball.

2057
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 8: I'm going to say basketball, basketball, all right.

2058
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 7: Two more, are you a sports fan at all? Like

2059
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 7: if you could pick one team to win a pro

2060
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 7: or college championship? Is there any team that.

2061
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 8: You root for?

2062
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 4: The New York Giants? But you know, just with getting

2063
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 4: fully invested into MMA, is hard to find that time

2064
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 4: to train twice a day, sometimes three, to go watching

2065
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 4: other sports. I just try to catch the highlights if

2066
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 4: I can, and watch the playoffs.

2067
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Speaker 3: All right?

2068
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 8: Last question?

2069
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 7: How old is Raymond Peter Longo? Over under sixty years

2070
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 7: of age over? He knows the answer, all right, Aljamaine Sterling,

2071
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 7: the funk Master. We appreciate your time, man, and sincerely

2072
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 7: hope you get that championship opportunity. You got ten UFC wins.

2073
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,799
Speaker 7: You've laid it all down and I think you're richly deserving.

2074
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 7: I don't know which way they're gonna go, but we

2075
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 7: appreciate your time and hope that the balls fall your way, kid.

2076
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 10: Thank you.

2077
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thank you guys for having me, and

2078
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 4: hopefully we get that crack man. I'm gonna try to

2079
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 4: seize the opportunity to get paid and put on a

2080
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 4: real championship campaign and actually fight the number one contenders,

2081
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 4: you know, try to bring it back to making the

2082
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 4: UFC great again.

2083
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 3: I love it all.

2084
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 7: Very healthy, dude, take care of yourself there. He is

2085
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 7: the funk master Al Jamaine Sterling. And you hear from

2086
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 7: a lot of these number one contender types and the

2087
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 7: champions they want a meritocracy, right Justin Gaetzchee wants to

2088
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 7: fight the most deserving kabibnrmago Medov has always carried his

2089
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 7: championship rain that way. Max Holloway Alexander Volkanovski, Right, I

2090
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 7: mean you think Holloway he could have probably avoided Volkanovsky,

2091
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 7: but he wanted to fight the number one contender, you know,

2092
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 7: and Volkanovsky is cut from the same class.

2093
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 8: So I like hearing aw just say that on the

2094
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 8: way up.

2095
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 9: Absolutely, yeah, they understand, you know, the fans know this

2096
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 9: sport now and they want to be truly validated as

2097
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 9: the champ. They want to earn it and uh, and

2098
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 9: they also know they're going to benefit from it. That

2099
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 9: experience of fighting the best guys is going to get

2100
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 9: you the respect and it's going to give you the

2101
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 9: skills as well.

2102
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Speaker 7: All Right, Anna florianpodcast dot com. If you do want merchandise,

2103
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Speaker 7: there is a ten percent off promo code. I believe

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Speaker 7: it's af on the website as well. May ROCKYBJJ dot

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2106
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Speaker 7: Jitsu school there in the greater Los Angeles area. Hopefully

2107
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Speaker 7: they will be opening those doors in the not too

2108
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Speaker 7: distant future. Also the voicemail line, so next Tuesday, May

2109
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Speaker 7: twenty six, this ken Flow's birthday, so eight five, seven,

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Speaker 7: three oh one eighty nine ninety four. I'm only picking

2111
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Speaker 7: like two birthday voicemails and if there's no comedic value,

2112
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Speaker 7: they almost assuredly will not get picked. So the can

2113
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Speaker 7: Flow birthday voicemail. And I'll close the show with this boy.

2114
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 7: I just got a text from Cheeto Vera as we're

2115
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Speaker 7: closing the show and he said, my man, thanks for

2116
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 7: the support. And you know, I just feel bad for

2117
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 7: men and women who put so much into this and

2118
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 7: feel like they've done everything right and then all of

2119
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 7: a sudden they have to stare at a one fight

2120
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Speaker 7: losing streak instead of six in a row. So Cheetoh

2121
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 7: you got our support, Angela Hill, everybody else. Feel for

2122
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 7: all of you, but UH live to fight another day

2123
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 7: and I guess we'll be back for the birthday week

2124
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Speaker 7: on Monday. Kid, you got anything else, that's it, man, No,

2125
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 7: just thank you for bringing those fights and putting that

2126
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 7: energy and effort into it and to what you gave

2127
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Speaker 7: all the fans.

2128
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Speaker 3: Man, an amazing job to you and the whole team.

2129
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Speaker 3: And let's keep it going. Let's go.

2130
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

2131
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Speaker 7: Love my colleagues and thanks for the coin words. And

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Speaker 7: with that, thanks to John Hackelman, Ray Longo, Ian Parker, TJ. Santis,

2133
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Speaker 7: Cody Merrow. Hope I'm not leaving everybody out for can't

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Speaker 7: flom John Anacanacoran podcast dot com talking next week. Until then, YO,

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Speaker 7: fucking later,