Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is now less successful than
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Hansas, got all the heroes back together,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal back, Mark Sessler Combine week. We're holding it
Speaker 1: down from Los Angeles this year, but the coverage will
Speaker 1: be just as good, if not better. Mark, welcome back.
Speaker 1: How is your time away? There's a lot of mystery
Speaker 1: whenever Mark's away? Where is Mark? Is he coming back?
Speaker 1: The men deserved a vacation, and he took that vacation
Speaker 1: and now he has returned. Well. I pulled a the
Speaker 1: old trick that Greggy used to do, which I think
Speaker 1: I've learned is quite valuable. Which would you often would
Speaker 1: do the right after Super Bowl? Yeah, do the thing.
Speaker 1: I'd wait till May or June and roll in like
Speaker 1: a car that rolled off the road. So it's like
Speaker 1: this was actually a next level move by myself for
Speaker 1: my smart Yeah, got you. I am with myself. Now
Speaker 1: got you two weeks off, so you are fully refreshed.
Speaker 1: I feel great. I understand that you were on a
Speaker 1: cruise during what is some of the most unfortunate wintry
Speaker 1: weather in this region's recent history. How did that guy?
Speaker 1: This is an accurate um audible sound. Bye. It was.
Speaker 1: It was one of these cruises that you can get
Speaker 1: on for very little amount of money, right, And I thought, well, listen,
Speaker 1: I have low expectations. But by the way, just not
Speaker 1: for nothing. You're a successful Well no, I just see
Speaker 1: a personally, I found a park, but found a great deal.
Speaker 1: To you, I just found a great deal like it
Speaker 1: just you know, so it's like it had everything you need.
Speaker 1: But like, um, when we got on, we were initially
Speaker 1: supposed to go to catalin Island, right, which is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a nice, glorious and went down to like Ensnata, Mexico.
Speaker 1: And the first announcement because if you go on these ships,
Speaker 1: like they just pound you with these announcements left rimes
Speaker 1: like right, it's like we are wiping Catalina Island off
Speaker 1: the schedule right away. So there were no stops essentially,
Speaker 1: and they I think they spent one you could do
Speaker 1: in a get back to work is mark shovel's coal
Speaker 1: into the end. They just spent most of the time
Speaker 1: on board, I think trying to steer around inclement weather
Speaker 1: rout at sea. It went from a vacation paradise scenario
Speaker 1: to get everyone back to shore without water in their lungs.
Speaker 1: I mean you could always see um dangerous clouds in
Speaker 1: the distance, but I mean I would say otherwise. It
Speaker 1: just was, you know, it's the only thing worse perhaps
Speaker 1: than going out of cruise during the worst California winter
Speaker 1: storm in twenty five years. Moving so and that was
Speaker 1: Greg's weekend. That was that was unfortunate. It was. I
Speaker 1: didn't at first. I was like, do I use an?
Speaker 1: I mean, it was. It was a lot of rain.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of rain, a lot of moving
Speaker 1: ten years in that place. You know how much junk
Speaker 1: piles up over ten years, a lot. You know how much.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have left a lot of the work to
Speaker 1: the last minute and did so, so you do. It's
Speaker 1: a lot most of his wet um. Well, it's good
Speaker 1: to have everybody back together. And this is a big
Speaker 1: app Let me feel like a real man as you're
Speaker 1: doing a lot of lis for you. You were, you
Speaker 1: were doing well. There was just like a lot of
Speaker 1: extra stuff on top of the move. We had movers,
Speaker 1: of course, but you know there's a lot of extra
Speaker 1: stuff in the sea. You find your tool setting all
Speaker 1: of that left over work. Emmaca is more of the
Speaker 1: handy woman around the house. You're going, you're doing so
Speaker 1: well there. Yes, this is a very important episode in
Speaker 1: the offseason for US. It's Greg Rosenthal's top one on
Speaker 1: one Free Agents is out. Hit me with a little
Speaker 1: celebratory horn gesture, justin, I'll give me the other one.
Speaker 1: I want more, I want bigger, give me it now.
Speaker 1: It is the top one oh one. And he put
Speaker 1: a lot of effort into it. Well maybe not as
Speaker 1: much us here because he was moving. So we'll go
Speaker 1: through Gregs one to one, both the good and the bad.
Speaker 1: And I did study it um at great length this morning,
Speaker 1: and I do have some issues, okay, great, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to those issues. I mean it was published
Speaker 1: about twenty five minutes ago. It was you know, I
Speaker 1: got some intel inside info had the list. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I had the list, but I like to read
Speaker 1: the one thing I like, and I'm starting out bathing
Speaker 1: in it now. The little the nuggets, the little write
Speaker 1: us that that Greg us, I chew those and I
Speaker 1: just stick to the hard data player number. I've got
Speaker 1: some I don't know if it's breaking news or even
Speaker 1: developing news. You got mad at me last time, but
Speaker 1: I just have an update for you for the first
Speaker 1: time ever. My byline ONNFL dot Com says Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast co host. Yeah, I didn't like that. I
Speaker 1: just saw that too. I didn't make that, but I
Speaker 1: think at this point, I think they were tired of it,
Speaker 1: said editor for a long time. And uh, I mean
Speaker 1: I got to see what mine is now at this point,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guarantee this was a bang job. You
Speaker 1: guys know this doesn't sit well with me. No, we
Speaker 1: all worth its hugely important roles on this podcast. It
Speaker 1: doesn't exist unless we're all pulling our weight. U. I
Speaker 1: am the host of the podcast. I don't like the
Speaker 1: co host thing. Oh wow, I didn't know what this
Speaker 1: was about you. It is. It's about me. Um, we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before. I don't remember it. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna like this. It's about me. They actually went completest
Speaker 1: and gave me the same title as as yourself and
Speaker 1: Greg care So I hope so actually, well, that would
Speaker 1: have been upset but a long time because I will
Speaker 1: do radioheads and they'll be like Around the NFL editor,
Speaker 1: and I know it's not worth correcting. It's not worth correcting.
Speaker 1: What if it was just an all caps view talent? WHOA,
Speaker 1: this is weird. They updated Dan's too, and it actually
Speaker 1: says around the NFL assistant's APT. No, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: here if that was the case. That would be instant
Speaker 1: strike material. Um. All right, So anyway, Greggy top one
Speaker 1: on one. We're gonna get to it, um, but first
Speaker 1: let's do some news and get caught up. I have
Speaker 1: seen the future of horror pell Raiser beyond any terror
Speaker 1: you have imagined first pell Raiser. I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: have a real relationship with Tom yet, but at some
Speaker 1: point when we as we continue to build out his nickname,
Speaker 1: which I think is going to have grassroots positive ramifications
Speaker 1: for the man down the line, because it's about branding.
Speaker 1: It's all about branding. It's coming from the new old
Speaker 1: Blue Eyes. This could really help Tom. But maybe we
Speaker 1: need to connect with him and see if he's cool
Speaker 1: with pell Raiser. I think we've rolled out the red
Speaker 1: carpet for a potential, you know, association connection. Should we
Speaker 1: perhaps set up something where we have Tom on the
Speaker 1: show to talk about pell Raiser. I don't know, or
Speaker 1: is this something an offline situation. Either it starts to
Speaker 1: feel weird if we have this home own nickname and
Speaker 1: we have yet to even you know, speak with the man.
Speaker 1: These just things to think about. Yeah, I mean, i'd
Speaker 1: say this is why you're one of the around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast cost. Exactly of the time we just connect
Speaker 1: with the coworker directly. This time we've taken a different route.
Speaker 1: But maybe we just explore it further though, you know,
Speaker 1: we got maybe we gotta yeah, we gotta meet on
Speaker 1: the road of communication. Tom Pellicero the pell Raiser reports
Speaker 1: first news item transition. The Rams have had trade talks
Speaker 1: about six time Pro Bowl cornerback Jalen Ramsey. League sources
Speaker 1: now believe it's very likely Ramsey is dealt in the
Speaker 1: coming weeks. Ramseys do seventeen million this upcoming season on
Speaker 1: a frontloaded deal. According to pell Raiser, that averages twenty
Speaker 1: million in LA is in clearing cap space mode. So
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, would you pay? Would you give up a
Speaker 1: first round pick for Jalen Ramsey in two twenty three?
Speaker 1: I think if I were the type of team where
Speaker 1: you're lower down in the in the draft order and
Speaker 1: you feel like you're a Jalen Ramsey away from having
Speaker 1: a defense that goes from good to great. I think
Speaker 1: he can still be that player. I certainly get why
Speaker 1: the Rams are in the mode of moving on from
Speaker 1: a number of veterans, considering their cap space, which is
Speaker 1: a mess right now, their lack of draft picks, and
Speaker 1: just where they kind of sit in the universe, right
Speaker 1: I threw out the Patriots number fourteen overall. I threw
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne in that deal just for fun, I know,
Speaker 1: but I know Bill doesn't like Kendrick Boorne. And this
Speaker 1: was before this report was out, and now there's actually
Speaker 1: rumors that the Patriots could be in the mix for it,
Speaker 1: and I would give up the fourteenth overall pick. I
Speaker 1: don't think draft picks are overrated because you have that
Speaker 1: contract and it's the best chance you have. Basically, those
Speaker 1: rookie contracts are what makes pain for all these veterans possible.
Speaker 1: But that's a bird in the hand. I think Ramsey
Speaker 1: still great. And I was confused, like, why is this
Speaker 1: so certain? And then there's been further reporting that Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey is looking for more money, and that's the key
Speaker 1: to all this. You have to give him a new contract,
Speaker 1: and that the Rams want to and are willing to
Speaker 1: get out in front of this because they're like, we're
Speaker 1: not going to give you that new contract. Let's just
Speaker 1: like nip this in the bud. This is how we
Speaker 1: got you in the first place. You did great for us,
Speaker 1: but we don't want to give that contract right now,
Speaker 1: so let's just trade you while your values high. And
Speaker 1: on the subject of the Patriots, remember it used to
Speaker 1: be actually a trope during the Brady era that anytime
Speaker 1: a big time player was out there as a trade possibility,
Speaker 1: it was always immediately connected to the Patriots. And they
Speaker 1: do have a history of collecting high profile guys, so
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Jonathan Jones, they moved to the outside
Speaker 1: last year. He's a free agent and I think he's
Speaker 1: on your list, Greggy, Yeah, in a prominent spot. So
Speaker 1: they do have somebody that that slot could be vacated
Speaker 1: and filled with Jalen Ramsey. But there I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are many other teams that would be interested at the
Speaker 1: right price. But that is true. It's two things. You're
Speaker 1: gonna probably give up a first round pick, right and
Speaker 1: then you got to pay him top of the market,
Speaker 1: and then you have to think about it, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into it the top one on one with
Speaker 1: these veterans. Do you are you paying for their prime years? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're paying for Jalen Ramsey's
Speaker 1: prime years. When you give him a top of the
Speaker 1: market salary and then it turns into a two year deal,
Speaker 1: they're allowing some of their top performance of the position
Speaker 1: to move on and free and see a year ago
Speaker 1: this year potentially then you're gonna give up a first
Speaker 1: and then pay him that contract. It's a little atypical
Speaker 1: to all contract thing. That's if he can get it,
Speaker 1: and he probably can. That's probably where the Patriots bow out.
Speaker 1: They like to get the guys when they're at a
Speaker 1: lower value. And uh like, Look, if he was a
Speaker 1: free agent, he would be number two on my list,
Speaker 1: certainly better than your current number two. I mean he
Speaker 1: would be the best defensive player available, maybe two or three.
Speaker 1: In other RAMS news, Los Angeles has parted ways with
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. This happened after he recorded on Thursday, always Annoying.
Speaker 1: Wagner's release will free up at least five million dollars
Speaker 1: in capsie savings, and it could be more depending on
Speaker 1: if it's a post June one situation. Anyway, Greggy, this
Speaker 1: is a very interesting free agent because Wagner was everything
Speaker 1: the Rams could have asked for in his one year
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. He was still Bobby Wagner graded out
Speaker 1: very high on PFF and other metrics. And he will
Speaker 1: get a job obviously. Then it becomes what kind of
Speaker 1: contract he gets. He will be thirty three in June.
Speaker 1: This was wild. He was a second team All Pro,
Speaker 1: Like he was the best move they made last offseason.
Speaker 1: And this really signified to me more than anything that
Speaker 1: winning in twenty twenty three is not like the only
Speaker 1: or number one objective by the Rams. They're definitely doing
Speaker 1: a reset here because there's no way they're better and
Speaker 1: they're only saving five plus million. By the way, he's
Speaker 1: not on the free agents list now because they're doing
Speaker 1: this thing where they're they're going to cut him on
Speaker 1: March fIF teen, but I think they're trying to help
Speaker 1: him out, and his agents are wanting it out there
Speaker 1: like like hey, save your money, Bobby will be available
Speaker 1: and every where would he be on you, he'd be
Speaker 1: in my top twenty. Levante David is right around twenty
Speaker 1: and he'd be ahead of him. It's a good position
Speaker 1: in free agency, the off ball linebacker. And to some degree,
Speaker 1: and like I think that Wagner, I mean it was
Speaker 1: framed by Schefter is sort of being a mutual parting.
Speaker 1: I kind of get it. Do you want if you
Speaker 1: if you were Bobby Wagner? And it's clear the Rams are,
Speaker 1: you know, shifting down from the worst title defense ever
Speaker 1: to what is kind of a change in philosophy for them.
Speaker 1: It's not just hey, we're one or two major swings
Speaker 1: away from adding this veteran or that to win the division,
Speaker 1: to go into the playoffs. It's like they feel like,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Sean McVay actually signed up for this
Speaker 1: after all the hemming and hawing about coming back at all.
Speaker 1: Everyone should read Our friend Jordan Rodrige wrote a really
Speaker 1: interesting piece about Sean mcvayh and the athletic and how
Speaker 1: he the soul searching and kind of the collapse mentally
Speaker 1: he had last year, and they tied it together that
Speaker 1: he's like got his mojo back essentially and he's excited
Speaker 1: about the challenge. But I don't know, well, maybe that
Speaker 1: was like this, I mean, I get the change in
Speaker 1: direction from the front office, but it's weird to me, Well,
Speaker 1: look at it from a different perspective. Maybe him coming
Speaker 1: back and we're seeing some of the results of that.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was like, I don't want to play that
Speaker 1: game anymore, Like you were going to give up more
Speaker 1: first round picks for a pass rusher last season when
Speaker 1: we weren't even in contention, Like we need to start
Speaker 1: building this a different way. And if I'm a RAMS
Speaker 1: and I know we're probably not winning the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: this year, but you know, if they kept on going
Speaker 1: on that path that they've been on, they were going
Speaker 1: to be a three and fourteen team a year or
Speaker 1: two for you can't keep doing it open over and
Speaker 1: like McVeigh. One thing that article I thought that was
Speaker 1: kind of self aware was he talked about like the
Speaker 1: good version of Sean McVeigh can tug everyone along with him, right,
Speaker 1: but he's got this other and he knows that he's
Speaker 1: got this other McVeigh kind of energy and it comes
Speaker 1: from times when he says nothing to people around the
Speaker 1: building that can take them a totally different player. I
Speaker 1: guess my thought is, like, why isn't that McVeigh gonna
Speaker 1: come out again. If they're three and seven and looking
Speaker 1: at you know, they have a lot of challenges. They're
Speaker 1: losing free agents like Ashan Robinson, Greg Gaines, Nick Scott,
Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp, Troy Hill, not all like huge players, but
Speaker 1: those are all starters. I think it will come out.
Speaker 1: That's a problem. In other news, the increasingly muddled Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson Baltimore Ravens situation. Lamar Jackson has not come out
Speaker 1: publicly and talked, but Stephen A. Smith, a very prominent
Speaker 1: personality for ESPN, set on first take that Jackson's camp
Speaker 1: reached out to him with the following information and it's
Speaker 1: important information if true. Jackson's camp claims that Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: has never demanded a fully guaranteed deal from the Ravens.
Speaker 1: That's been widely assumed for during this whole process. That
Speaker 1: that's the hold up, that Lamar wants all his contract
Speaker 1: guaranteed and the Ravens aren't willing to go there. There
Speaker 1: It's been reported that the Ravens initial offer or a
Speaker 1: current standing offer, is only one hundred and thirty three
Speaker 1: mill and guaranteed, which seems like a lot, but considering
Speaker 1: what the top of the market guys get it's not
Speaker 1: where are we standing on this, Greggy. It does feel
Speaker 1: more and more like a possibility of divorce is happening here.
Speaker 1: I just thought, this is the first time they've come
Speaker 1: out publicly his team and by his team. It's it's
Speaker 1: his mom, he as a lawyer of the nfl PA
Speaker 1: is helping him. But I think with endorsements and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, it's has been his mom and him running
Speaker 1: negotiations for them to come out publicly and say we
Speaker 1: didn't ask for a fully guaranteed contract. To me who
Speaker 1: just was noteworthy, And I'm with you. It feels like
Speaker 1: a public back and forth now to the point where
Speaker 1: it's almost like the Ravens are laying the groundwork with like, see,
Speaker 1: it's not totally our fault. We gotta trade him. I
Speaker 1: mean there is the NFLPA has advised Lamar Jackson to
Speaker 1: some degree and reporting out there. I mean Demorris Smith
Speaker 1: also said at one point that he was trying to
Speaker 1: get a fully guaranteed deal. So it's some back and forth,
Speaker 1: and I know Daniel a little tired of the mechanics
Speaker 1: around the whole thing. Ready, I think everyone's kind of
Speaker 1: everyone's ready for it too. Resolved one where it's a
Speaker 1: Jets fan. I mean, I'm with you that I feel
Speaker 1: like what felt to me like this will get settled,
Speaker 1: the Ravens will franchise him, and they'll find a way
Speaker 1: to get a deal done. I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: learned more. Like I said, it all feels a little
Speaker 1: bit muddled. And you know, much has been made about
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson doesn't have an agent, and but then hear
Speaker 1: his mother's prominently involved, and I just I want to say,
Speaker 1: an alarm butt bell went off a week or two
Speaker 1: ago when I read it. But I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is kind of strange, Like, so it's his mother
Speaker 1: and then he's the NFLPA. The union is directly involved
Speaker 1: in some capacity as well advisory as an advisory role,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, at some point, I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, you have all these different cooks, you know,
Speaker 1: why don't you have an agent, like a high power
Speaker 1: agency that knows how to handle these situations. But I
Speaker 1: can't say how whether he's doing it right or wrong
Speaker 1: until we see how this ends. It's just interesting to
Speaker 1: me that the union is involved in the union also,
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, filed a grievance last season, accusing
Speaker 1: teams of colluding to not give quote certain quarterbacks fully
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts, so they have a stake in it. So
Speaker 1: it's gotten kind of bigger than your typical negotiation, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And I here's the thing. I think them holding a
Speaker 1: hard line and wanting a fully guaranteed contract or something
Speaker 1: close to it makes total sense. We talked about this
Speaker 1: a year ago that like the only way for the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to actually get close to what they're worth were
Speaker 1: to be to play at out like Kirk Cousins, because
Speaker 1: we've seen it. The only time an actual decent, like
Speaker 1: above average starting quarterback got to free agency, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: got at then a record setting contract, got guaranteed money
Speaker 1: last year. The only time we can think of lately
Speaker 1: were a young player who's in the ballpark of Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's talent was available and that was via trade, got
Speaker 1: not only a fully guaranteed contract, he did it while
Speaker 1: he was about to be suspended by the league for
Speaker 1: like terrible off field behavior and he got it so
Speaker 1: because you had four teams bidding. I think if Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson was a free agent, he would get a preposterously
Speaker 1: big contracts, so why not push for that. I do too,
Speaker 1: and I do think it's a situation a little bit
Speaker 1: where if the Ravens there's not a question about Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson and the talent and what he's brought to Baltimore,
Speaker 1: but like that relationship, maybe they would be willing to
Speaker 1: part with them, where another team's like, I don't really
Speaker 1: care if we have to pay him that kind of
Speaker 1: money or what we have to give up. If you're
Speaker 1: the Jets, for instance, where the owners come out and said,
Speaker 1: we are going to get this guy, and maybe you're
Speaker 1: shooting a little higher than Derek Carr if you really
Speaker 1: want to become a Super Bowl contender, then it's like
Speaker 1: the picks the money make a lot more sense to
Speaker 1: another team that has had no in house experience with
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or this drama. And the one thing I've
Speaker 1: learned from this process personally is, you know, don't let
Speaker 1: the wool get pulled over your eyes when the team
Speaker 1: sends their coaching GM out there and tells you everything's fine,
Speaker 1: because that's not the case with this situation, even though
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened with Harbaugh and DaCosta. Last month,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I think it's interesting that, for instance,
Speaker 1: the hiring of Todd Montkin, remember how much was made
Speaker 1: of like, you know, we want to keep Lamar happy,
Speaker 1: we want him involved with the process. And then it's
Speaker 1: also Stephen A. Smith also came out and saying, this
Speaker 1: is a quote from Smith, Lamar Jackson was never consulted
Speaker 1: or talked to or asked what his opinions would be
Speaker 1: about the play caller. He was informed, this is your
Speaker 1: new boss at the offensive coordinator spot, who will be
Speaker 1: calling plays for you. Okay, I mean there's a lot
Speaker 1: of writing on the wall that the Ravens are like,
Speaker 1: that's a gripe from his camp, from the campers, the campers,
Speaker 1: let's send Let's send the campers home soon enough. It's
Speaker 1: your camp, Sonny side Acres, camp happiness. That's what we
Speaker 1: call things were before the world would say, I would
Speaker 1: actually counter that things were impure at times. That's that
Speaker 1: was that's part of what made it so pure for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's a life experience. In other news, a competition
Speaker 1: committee they're you know, they're at that stage of the
Speaker 1: league year where they're talking about potential rule changes for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. How about the push play also known
Speaker 1: as the the quarterback um h, and then the extra
Speaker 1: gross one, the tush push, which I hate. Tush is
Speaker 1: something like you're your aunt says at Thanksgiving like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me, let me pinch that tush. We didn't need
Speaker 1: to bring it back and don't need it, don't want it, Darlina,
Speaker 1: Why is your aunt such a freak she does, aunt,
Speaker 1: LOGI pinches the tush. She's just like riding around pinching
Speaker 1: everyone's hello boundaries. Uh um. Anyway, so the committee is
Speaker 1: talking about whether to outlaw that play, which um has
Speaker 1: become mark a a really effective play. We saw it
Speaker 1: with the Eagles all season long, including the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and now they're thinking, do we need some legislation? So
Speaker 1: this isn't like rugby? Are you kidding me? Yeah? Dean
Speaker 1: plan Dino mentioned that it has too much of the
Speaker 1: aura of a rugby scrumming at the NFL's the NFL
Speaker 1: love seeing Blandino, Yeah, because nobody dresses Nobody dresses more
Speaker 1: different than you would expect than Dean Blandino. Okay, whenever
Speaker 1: we see the Dean at the super Bowl, it's cool jeans,
Speaker 1: it's big leather boots high it's a shirt that costs
Speaker 1: a good amount of money. And then maybe like a
Speaker 1: bitch in leather jacket. And it's always like dno, I
Speaker 1: had that experience to the own. Yeah, like he had
Speaker 1: an entourage, but you've seen him around Santa Monica. That's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with kind of like a hard not dressed to impressed
Speaker 1: though when he's with the kids. I would think keep
Speaker 1: picking up the kids. Um, but yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: still he presents. Can I is he allowed to have
Speaker 1: a personal style? Say something? I think he? Um, I
Speaker 1: like it? What's the what's the word? I believe he
Speaker 1: surpasses the idea of cool dad too. He's actually existing
Speaker 1: in a plane where like I just I just cool,
Speaker 1: that's me. Yeah, And I think that's just a prizing
Speaker 1: And it was actually the same party that we talked
Speaker 1: about me trying to get the attention of the RAMS CEO.
Speaker 1: I mean this party had some heavy hitters. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the tush push. I think the Eagles are getting
Speaker 1: punished for being so good at it a little bit entirely.
Speaker 1: Every Like Sean Patin's like, well if every everyone could
Speaker 1: go do it, like we're gonna install that, and every
Speaker 1: every team around the league is doing it. Well, why
Speaker 1: didn't they do it? They couldn't do it. They don't
Speaker 1: have Jalen Hurts in that offensive line. Like I do
Speaker 1: think everyone is crying poor a little bit because you
Speaker 1: have maybe the strongest running quarterback alongside Cam Newton, and
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. His quads are bigger
Speaker 1: than most of your quarterbacks put together. Like, you don't
Speaker 1: have that offensive line, You're not as like Daring Dew
Speaker 1: in terms of how you call it. You're not as
Speaker 1: well coached. I don't think everyone would do it or
Speaker 1: will do it, because they would be doing it. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, and it's a little annoying to me. They
Speaker 1: only they only made it for being so good. They
Speaker 1: only allowed it to become. They had a rule around
Speaker 1: until sixteen years ago you couldn't, and then for the
Speaker 1: past sixteen years you could, and until the until this season,
Speaker 1: when was it an issue? How about like, why isn't
Speaker 1: the response we're defenses, We'll catch up and figure way
Speaker 1: to stop it. We had to go rule change it.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's a great point. Mark, I got
Speaker 1: all right, justin I got our June eighteenth show. We
Speaker 1: open with Tom Pelsero, Okay, we have a frank conversation
Speaker 1: about his nickname. Then we bring in Dean Blandino and
Speaker 1: we just talk sartorial choices, fashion, Dean on fashion, and
Speaker 1: then maybe if we can get him sharing some maybe
Speaker 1: gossip nuggets beachside town rumors with about Greg Rosenthal that
Speaker 1: maybe he's heard, don't think he's aware of fashion existence.
Speaker 1: And then we close with Cavon roll him in Hannibal
Speaker 1: Lecter style. I believe that is the week of the
Speaker 1: nfl um media Thing media summit. All right, let's make
Speaker 1: it twenty fifth I think I think that's a good
Speaker 1: June episode. I literally would be at a loss on
Speaker 1: how to follow up with cavan I think two out
Speaker 1: of three of those are very realistic gets for us.
Speaker 1: Which one which two? Which one do you think is
Speaker 1: not realistic? The one who's been on the pod many times,
Speaker 1: three times? I feel like he would be the one
Speaker 1: that was the most realistic. I don't We'll see. I
Speaker 1: don't know what our booking department would say if we
Speaker 1: requested him again. I don't think he'll well, he'll remember,
Speaker 1: but not when they asked him. He'll remember once the conversation.
Speaker 1: The minute he sees us on screen, he might remember
Speaker 1: our antics, the athletic moving on, great publication, do nice work.
Speaker 1: Purchased by the New York Times. You're so go, nice investment.
Speaker 1: Goodbye by the Gray Lady. Yeah. They reported that Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson last February asked the Seahawks the ownership, specifically to
Speaker 1: fire head coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider.
Speaker 1: If this is to be believed, Seahawks and said, okay, bro,
Speaker 1: thanks for the input, and then they turned around and
Speaker 1: traded him to the Broncos. And here's how Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: responded to this report. I love Pete and he was
Speaker 1: a father figure to me, and John believed in me
Speaker 1: and drafted me as well. I never wanted them fired.
Speaker 1: All any of us wanted was to win. I'll always
Speaker 1: have respect for them and love for Seattle. Focused on
Speaker 1: moving forward best as a head. Who do you believe?
Speaker 1: Who you got? I mean, are you kidding? Come on?
Speaker 1: Klem Kaylor, Mike Sando, and Jason Jenks, who wrote this
Speaker 1: article are all like incredible reporters. They don't put something
Speaker 1: that big without knowing for a fact that That's what happened.
Speaker 1: There's no question he wanted them gone. Good. Retort, good,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and I throw a sexy deep ball also good.
Speaker 1: How does it How would any of that just bubble
Speaker 1: up out of literally thin air? I mean, there was
Speaker 1: reporting around how unhappy he was for years. Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: was at the center of it. I just think it
Speaker 1: shows because the one thing that was the best part
Speaker 1: of the Russell Wilson Pete Carroll stuff out of the
Speaker 1: gate was that Pete Carroll and John Schneider went atypical
Speaker 1: in the draft to find a quarterback that once Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson succeeded, change the way we draft quarterbacks and think
Speaker 1: about quarterback stature. All of that was great. In the end,
Speaker 1: I think it unmasked Russell Wilson as where he is now,
Speaker 1: and it went all through last season in Denver as
Speaker 1: someone overtaken entirely by Hubris, who literally forgot what Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll did for me. I'm not saying it was a
Speaker 1: perfect relationship. It ran its course, it got ugly and
Speaker 1: needed to end. But the idea that Russell Wilson is
Speaker 1: putting a statement out and had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: this and never said any of this or try to
Speaker 1: wield his power to me as utter nonsense. Lawyers contact
Speaker 1: the Athletic oh with a statement that they were kind
Speaker 1: of like a firearm or anything. Most of the article
Speaker 1: is more about how much he dominated Nathaniel Hackett though
Speaker 1: in their relationship in I didn't love to hear considering
Speaker 1: he's now employed by the Getropolitans. Wow, he's back in
Speaker 1: the Peter Principal good spot. Though I hope down where
Speaker 1: he should. We can only hope that. We can only
Speaker 1: hope right the idea of what Russell Wilson was doing,
Speaker 1: they were having these Tuesday meetings at he had all
Speaker 1: the players attending. Okay, that part makes sense, but then
Speaker 1: he started just like showing plays of like when he
Speaker 1: was playing well, and they were like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: You're just like showing us like, hey, I used to
Speaker 1: be good and well. There was also for what it's within,
Speaker 1: there was also there was a lot of people on
Speaker 1: record saying he worked hard. Clearly he was plugged in,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessarily that he was like aloof and detached.
Speaker 1: It was just it wasn't working. They did also have
Speaker 1: the he had his office, which was on the second level.
Speaker 1: Like we talk about shadowy league figures on the show
Speaker 1: a lot and a lot of the disconnect is just
Speaker 1: about office layout sometimes where you know, we would be
Speaker 1: down in the news room with everybody else down there,
Speaker 1: and then you had these people making decisions that we
Speaker 1: never even really saw the fact that the quarterback's office
Speaker 1: was where all the other the way was putting the
Speaker 1: article and was put well. Like usually when the players
Speaker 1: are up on the floor where Russell wilson office was, uh,
Speaker 1: you're usually like being cut where like your career is
Speaker 1: taking a terrible turn. He was up there with those people,
Speaker 1: and then his entire wall was filled with play designs
Speaker 1: and also motivational scrawl, which totally checks out. We also
Speaker 1: had a staff up there. He had three people that
Speaker 1: he brought along that he essentially made them and Sean
Speaker 1: Payton said all that they got the whole thing that
Speaker 1: keep exciting. He wanted Sean Payton as the replacement in Seattle.
Speaker 1: And so you kind there's the you know, the that's
Speaker 1: almost the good spin on all this, right, or the
Speaker 1: joke out there that he subconsciously tanked last year to
Speaker 1: get Sean Payton into Denver. But the first thing Peyton
Speaker 1: said when they had kind of the meet and greet
Speaker 1: with him was like, wait, so Russell Wilson has got
Speaker 1: his own coach, He's got all this extra stuff adorning
Speaker 1: him on the day to day. Will he will any
Speaker 1: of that be allowed? And Sean Payne was like, absolutely not,
Speaker 1: we don't do that, Like he'll be coached by my staff.
Speaker 1: He hired a new publicist, and none of it would
Speaker 1: matter if he could, you know, play the guitar as
Speaker 1: Dan would. That's the thing is, he couldn't play the guitar.
Speaker 1: And it was like this unmasked situation where yes, Hackett
Speaker 1: got run over a little bit and that's not what
Speaker 1: you needed. But I don't know if he had been
Speaker 1: a great coach whether it would matter that I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. And this isn't really a defending hackeck because
Speaker 1: he played it wrong ultimately. But the whole idea was
Speaker 1: Wilson was getting this fresh start, and he was always
Speaker 1: he always struggled with the power dynamic and being used.
Speaker 1: He always thought he could be used maybe more aggressively
Speaker 1: as a passer and as a leader of the offense.
Speaker 1: And now he was getting this chance and Hackett went
Speaker 1: all in on the quarterback. You could hear his voice
Speaker 1: and that press conference like, I'm okay with this kind
Speaker 1: of being a co CEO situation where it's me and
Speaker 1: Russ because I know he's a stud. And then when
Speaker 1: he couldn't play in Denver, that was catastrophic for everyone
Speaker 1: involved and nobody. I know, Greg, you you were on
Speaker 1: record that you saw him as maybe in decline. Nobody
Speaker 1: saw him doing what he did in year one the
Speaker 1: league because I think now we've just accepted how this
Speaker 1: all happened, and you just adjust and get used to it.
Speaker 1: But it is one of the crazier stories we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Eight o'clock to light widely presumed. First QB off the board,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young he will not throw at the combine, which
Speaker 1: starts later this week. Ohio states C J. Stroud and
Speaker 1: Florida's Anthony Richardson. Will the Lions cut ties with the
Speaker 1: veteran Michael Brockers Adam to the top one oh one?
Speaker 1: Or do you n he didn't make it? He gone?
Speaker 1: Jack's Jags resigned Roy Robertson, Harris and Sam Hurd. Remember
Speaker 1: Sam Hurd. Sam Hurd is out of prison after a
Speaker 1: ten year bit. Sam Hurd was a major trafficker of cocayana,
Speaker 1: but also was a special teams player for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: One of the crazy sports stories in recent memories in
Speaker 1: that order. I remember covering this for PFT and it
Speaker 1: just was wild because it was like you used to
Speaker 1: hearing little off field stories and then you found out that, oh,
Speaker 1: being a special teamer was just a little side hustle
Speaker 1: as he was moving at least like when he got
Speaker 1: caught by federal agents five to ten kilos at about
Speaker 1: twenty five per week though, per week. So that's that's
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar operation. Booger Sugar, that's a ton of
Speaker 1: blow bro. I just looked at Dan's face after uttering
Speaker 1: that phrase. I just wanted to say, booger sugar. But
Speaker 1: I hope he I hope he's learned from his transgressions.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he served ten to fifteen years. It just
Speaker 1: was like a sort of fascinating NFL story back in
Speaker 1: the day that I feel like it was forgotten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should. They could have made it. They would have
Speaker 1: made like a Netflix movie about that, if that was
Speaker 1: a thing at the time. Never generated more than three
Speaker 1: hundred fourteen yards in a season, but he did generate
Speaker 1: um other transactions from what we understand, perhaps some addictions.
Speaker 1: We got moved a lot of product. All right, that's
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. We'll take a break and
Speaker 1: we will hit the top one oh one. Welcome back
Speaker 1: every year. At this time, Greg Rosental sits down and
Speaker 1: looks at all of the available free agents, both the
Speaker 1: guys that are out there right now and the guys
Speaker 1: that will be out there effectively. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's in March fifteenth or thereabouts started the new league.
Speaker 1: Here they are his top one on one free agents.
Speaker 1: Why is it one on one? Remind the audience, guys
Speaker 1: just settled on that as just a little little something extra,
Speaker 1: little little land yap for you, symmetrical your basic SI
Speaker 1: it's one hundred. We're gonna give you lil something next job. Right.
Speaker 1: It shows that you're just grinding a little bit harder.
Speaker 1: And we'll here, we did ninety nine and no one
Speaker 1: like that didn't grind is hard. That showed the work
Speaker 1: wasn't being done, but now it is. And we'll get
Speaker 1: to who number one on one is, because that's part
Speaker 1: of the fun. You always want to have a bit
Speaker 1: of a name brand there and you do again this year. Um.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into this and Mark and I
Speaker 1: will share things that we agree with, we will share
Speaker 1: disagreements with you, Greggy. UM, but I guess a good
Speaker 1: way to start here is and first of all, and
Speaker 1: this isn't Greg's set up blurb, just so everyone knows
Speaker 1: each when we talk about their listed age, it's where
Speaker 1: they'll be week one, and you see that on the
Speaker 1: website where you can find at NFL dot com slash
Speaker 1: one one. And the ranking will be updated as players
Speaker 1: are released and become unrestricted free agents, so this will change,
Speaker 1: but this is where it is right now. What did
Speaker 1: you kind of big make sure thoughts, Greggy before we
Speaker 1: dive into this. This list compared to recent years, is
Speaker 1: in a stronger class, weaker class, anything else that kind
Speaker 1: of stood out to you as you did the section.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a bad it's a bad
Speaker 1: class that the drop off around twenty five was even
Speaker 1: greater than normal that year. There's always plenty of players.
Speaker 1: It's like a one year contract league, so it's not
Speaker 1: hard getting to one hundred, but I thought there were
Speaker 1: fewer above average starters available than ever, and especially pass
Speaker 1: rusher wide receiver, you just couldn't. You can't find anyone,
Speaker 1: there's no one available. The NFL is showing you what
Speaker 1: they value in who they won't even let get to
Speaker 1: free agency. Pass rushers, wide receivers, offensive linemen are not
Speaker 1: getting to free agency, especially tackles. Do you think teams
Speaker 1: have gotten better about with the contract structuring in the
Speaker 1: cap of not letting these guys get to this point
Speaker 1: to get to this list? And it's easier. I think
Speaker 1: it challenges like the better team, the better if you're
Speaker 1: if you're one of these, Remember the Dolphins teams have
Speaker 1: old they would throw a ton of money at a
Speaker 1: bunch of players that we're just like shaking our heads,
Speaker 1: like this is sort of for savvier teams to dig
Speaker 1: through this list and find the guys that are the gems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you find like the one year, nine million dollar
Speaker 1: contracts like James Bradberry was for the Eagles last year,
Speaker 1: and like, those are the nice deals that they slipped
Speaker 1: through the cracks. But it's not a lot of great
Speaker 1: value overall. It's the whole thing I would slap on
Speaker 1: the entire exercise is buyer beware and just like you're saying,
Speaker 1: there's a reason a lot of these guys got to
Speaker 1: free agency, why they were allowed out the door. And
Speaker 1: in many cases, these are guys that are closer to
Speaker 1: thirty in many cases than their prime seasons. And the
Speaker 1: wide receiver group, I think is a good a very
Speaker 1: good example. And there aren't a lot of good wide
Speaker 1: receivers out there. But like, if you're a team builder,
Speaker 1: now are you gonna go pay for a twenty eight
Speaker 1: year old, twenty nine year old wide receiver and give
Speaker 1: him good money when A there's a chance that he's
Speaker 1: not the guy that you think he's going to be
Speaker 1: And B we're seeing increasingly that you can go get
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the draft that could impact your
Speaker 1: offense immediately and be cost effective at that That was
Speaker 1: a And there's one wide receiver that really got on
Speaker 1: my nerves that you had him so high. But well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to it. I think I have an idea.
Speaker 1: I think it was, why why do we have to
Speaker 1: want to let's sorry, why is O'Dell fifteen on your list?
Speaker 1: How is that happening? So position scarcity matters. Quarterbacks are higher,
Speaker 1: wide receivers are higher. Pass rushers are higher than they
Speaker 1: probably would be because I think they're worth more and
Speaker 1: unlike the rest of the receiver's available Jacoby Myers, Jiujuicimith Schuster,
Speaker 1: DJ Chark, eventually Michael Thomas OBJ. I think has a
Speaker 1: potential to be a bigger difference maker than those guys.
Speaker 1: So you get him on a one or two year deal,
Speaker 1: I will see how much he costs. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's that crazy high you do fifteen I mean struggled
Speaker 1: with him versus Jacoby Myers. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: really good player. You could put drop him into any
Speaker 1: offense and he's gonna help you. He's a good route runner.
Speaker 1: But would you rather have him or Obj? I mean
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take either of him. I mean, thank Myers
Speaker 1: is fine. Very. I mean it has to be a very.
Speaker 1: We don't need this music justin very ominous. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: like I would. I'd be okay with Jakobe Meyers on
Speaker 1: a short term deal. But everything you're hearing about Odell,
Speaker 1: for instance, is that he's looking for a multi year
Speaker 1: deal and he wants security and he wants a true home.
Speaker 1: And it's like, am I going to roll the dice?
Speaker 1: And a guy I don't even know the last time
Speaker 1: he had a one thousand yard season. I know, you
Speaker 1: look good in the playoffs, but then he'd even play
Speaker 1: last year, and I thought his whole, like a free
Speaker 1: agency tour that he went on late last season was
Speaker 1: a bit of a la Ravil mcnifico on its own, right.
Speaker 1: I just I don't need that guy around when I
Speaker 1: can just get a younger player in the draft. Yank,
Speaker 1: It's like he's the kind of guy where it's not
Speaker 1: like any team should come after him, and you should
Speaker 1: have these self awareness to know that he doesn't really
Speaker 1: fit who we are right now, but you are months
Speaker 1: more removed from the injury. If he's healthy, someone liked
Speaker 1: the Bills that was sort of in the airs courting
Speaker 1: someone like Odell Beckham. I could see that differently than
Speaker 1: if like the Titans went and tried I mean not
Speaker 1: amy that at you, Graver, but just like a team
Speaker 1: that's like in rebuild, no, losing a ton of guys,
Speaker 1: do you build that team around Odell? No, He's like
Speaker 1: he's a little cherry on top. Maybe I'm very easily swayed.
Speaker 1: You know, I could just move him down, But fifteen
Speaker 1: just seems so. I know there's a position scarcity, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean like I think it's in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and like where would O'Dell fit in there? Like, I
Speaker 1: think it's more of a name. He would not drop
Speaker 1: below thirty in any in any scenario for me, whether
Speaker 1: you would put him below Myers, Smith Schuster, who are contributors,
Speaker 1: I could go either way. This is why I need
Speaker 1: West pushing back West. And I did this list, of
Speaker 1: course for for years and years. I'm curious where where
Speaker 1: he would have had Odell he was always a huge fan.
Speaker 1: But I do think some of these guys, like big
Speaker 1: time veterans who've had a really high level of production
Speaker 1: and they're coming off injuries, those are actually the guys
Speaker 1: that end up becoming good values. Why was James Bradberry
Speaker 1: on the market and no one wanted him? I understand
Speaker 1: the Giants trade him, cut him late in the offseason,
Speaker 1: but he still was like a very high level player
Speaker 1: had shown it at certain points, and so those guys
Speaker 1: get a little extra For me, I think OBJ could matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Odell had I mean a thousand yards nearly on the
Speaker 1: nose and eighteen and nineteen, but that's averaging like sixty
Speaker 1: yards a game. His last big time year where he
Speaker 1: was a guy that mattered was twenty sixteen during the
Speaker 1: regular season, and it is fair. He was very good
Speaker 1: for the rams down, the stretching in the plast before
Speaker 1: he blews acl interesting guy, he will get a job.
Speaker 1: I just thought he was a little high where what's what?
Speaker 1: How about you? Mark? While we are on receivers, like
Speaker 1: last year, everyone mocked the Jags for going huge on
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk and Za Jones, Like, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: paid Kirk's seventeen million dollars a year. I think that's
Speaker 1: like what Jacoby Myers is gonna get. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he paid Zaid Jones seven to eight million dollars a years.
Speaker 1: Like year, receivers teams need like four receivers each and
Speaker 1: those guys ended up being good and the Jacks weren't
Speaker 1: getting the benefit of the doubt. Coming off what was
Speaker 1: a clown car season now feels a lot different. Mark
Speaker 1: something that's to me, Well, first one, I think Jakobe Myers,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Patriot, it's just keep him, like, find
Speaker 1: a way to resine him, because I don't know who
Speaker 1: else that they who whe else they're going on that position.
Speaker 1: I always struggle with like the placement of Derek car
Speaker 1: But I want to tell you one guy because I
Speaker 1: think it's a good it's a good safety class, better
Speaker 1: than cornerback. But like Chauncey Gardner, Johnson at number seven
Speaker 1: is probably where he's not landing on a lot of
Speaker 1: other people's lists. I know you like him, but I
Speaker 1: like him a lot too, And I think he's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy. When I talk about this free agent
Speaker 1: class in general, it's like, do you swing for the
Speaker 1: fences for someone who might not give you the money
Speaker 1: you give? But this guy I think changes literally like
Speaker 1: see changes the attitude of a defense. And I thought
Speaker 1: he did that for Philadelphia, was awesome with the Eagles
Speaker 1: when he was healthy, And if the right team adds him,
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that you look back in
Speaker 1: January be like that was an absolutely key ingredient to
Speaker 1: our defensive building. Safety is getting no love, but just
Speaker 1: feels like every team could use a guy like that
Speaker 1: that can play slack corner, that can play safety, that
Speaker 1: can hit. He got fine for that hit he made
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. They didn't even penalize him. Remember
Speaker 1: that that monster hit on the last drive of the game.
Speaker 1: So many safeties are availed about Jordan Poyer. I think
Speaker 1: sounds like he kind of wants out of Buffalo. He's
Speaker 1: talking about the state tax and that it's too cold,
Speaker 1: and Jesse want to play in Miami, right, I mean
Speaker 1: he's been there on Jesse Bates is out there, Von Bell,
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, Jimmy Warts. So you can find safeties and
Speaker 1: that might depress some of their values. But I appreciate
Speaker 1: that Dan asked you to come after me with something
Speaker 1: you didn't like, and you didn't even do that. Well,
Speaker 1: I know I said that Derek Derek cart number six,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I have an issue with Derek Carr with
Speaker 1: teams label. Loom is like he's going to take us
Speaker 1: to the next level. He's gonna keep you adequate. See,
Speaker 1: this is what happens when when we're handing out you know,
Speaker 1: co host titles like Lollipops. You could just disregard my setup.
Speaker 1: I'm just a co host. You know, you'd like to
Speaker 1: be really bothered. You want to and we're pushing against you,
Speaker 1: and then no, I just I would like to hear though, Mark,
Speaker 1: what what is something that you disagreed with I kind
Speaker 1: of don't think that I like. I don't like where
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is. I just don't like him in number six.
Speaker 1: And I think the problem is that he's a quarterback,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna give you more than a safety or
Speaker 1: a cornerback. And it's not a great like market in
Speaker 1: general for these free agents. But I the whole landing
Speaker 1: spot of Derek Carr is the thing of the offseason
Speaker 1: that I struggle with the way he's going to be
Speaker 1: marketed to us until real, real games. But we don't
Speaker 1: have to do with that. He's asking for about thirty
Speaker 1: five million, which sounds right to me. That's about the
Speaker 1: level I think Car would get it. And I struggled
Speaker 1: both him and Daniel Jones. They're five and six. I
Speaker 1: couldn't decide who do you put higher? Daniel Jones a
Speaker 1: Car and I have to admit they were. They were
Speaker 1: both around fourteen fifteen initially, and then I started going
Speaker 1: through it and I'm like, I'm really gonna have him
Speaker 1: lower than Mike McGlinchey, who's like a good starting tackle
Speaker 1: but not like an amazing one. These aren't great names.
Speaker 1: Deron Payne, who had a big season for the Washington Commanders,
Speaker 1: but ultimately he's like their third best defensive lineman, a
Speaker 1: good player. They're close enough to the level at their
Speaker 1: position that Derek Carr is at quarterback that you got
Speaker 1: to move them up. To me. If you put him
Speaker 1: on the Jets, they're just a better team. I think
Speaker 1: above average or even average starting quarterbacks are just worth
Speaker 1: the premium. I don't, yeah, I don't understand how you
Speaker 1: could have him out of the top ten. I mean
Speaker 1: if you look at this exercise and in years past,
Speaker 1: and you look at the raw numbers, and I know
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean everything. And there are reasons why Derek
Speaker 1: Carr makes you scratch your head with some of the
Speaker 1: you know, mistakes he makes and the fact that the
Speaker 1: Raiders have never really had a big run. But that's
Speaker 1: not just on him. They've never had a half decent
Speaker 1: defense when he was there. And you look at his production,
Speaker 1: his raw production, if through the seasons is excellent, especially
Speaker 1: for a guy that's still thirty one years old. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty two in week one, absolutely like you
Speaker 1: have Gino at two. Let me just say the top ten.
Speaker 1: I'll go top ten here. Let's let's give a little context,
Speaker 1: even though you should check it out on NFL dot com.
Speaker 1: Lamar one obvious, Gino two, Jason Hargrave, Javon Hargrave, the
Speaker 1: defensive attack for the Eagles three, Orlando Down tackle Chiefs. Four.
Speaker 1: You have Jones five, Daniel Jones, you have Car six,
Speaker 1: you have Gardner Johnson seven, James Bradberry eight, Jesse Bates nine,
Speaker 1: and then say Quon ten. Like Car for what he's
Speaker 1: proven and his durability and his ability to produce, He's
Speaker 1: so far ahead of all the other quarterbacks to me,
Speaker 1: including Geno Smith, that I would have him at two personally,
Speaker 1: and I would. I know Gino has coming off a
Speaker 1: great year, but I would have had Gino. Maybe I would.
Speaker 1: I would flip him probably. I'd probably have Gino behind
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and Car too. H. I don't agree, but
Speaker 1: I but I also think that Derek Carr has been
Speaker 1: a lightning rod for debate for his entire career because
Speaker 1: you can frame his production from certain angles. Because every
Speaker 1: time you tweet about Derek Carr, raiders fans come out,
Speaker 1: oh the comeback drives and said it's like but then
Speaker 1: from another angle, it's like He's just Derek Carr, and
Speaker 1: I just don't see how he's going to be more
Speaker 1: than that. He's adequate, right. It's also not a great
Speaker 1: list for quarterbacks, so him being second on the list
Speaker 1: doesn't do a lot for me. I think Gino's ceiling
Speaker 1: is higher ceiling being kind of where he was last year,
Speaker 1: but I think he can get better. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: type of quarterback I like. I think he really did
Speaker 1: learn a lot because I think he is similar to
Speaker 1: Eli and Philip Rivers to me in that he can
Speaker 1: play a style that some years is gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of turnovers. But I think he can do everything.
Speaker 1: He can see the field so well, he can make
Speaker 1: next level throws. Derek Cart to me is like a
Speaker 1: little more mechanical, so Daniel Jones, but they're all in
Speaker 1: the same ballpark. Jimmy g is the next one down
Speaker 1: at quarterback, and that is one of the defining traits
Speaker 1: of this free agents in class. There's way more quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Those three top ones, Daniel Jones, Gino, and Lamar aren't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be free agents. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get tagged and maybe in Lamar's keys traded, but there
Speaker 1: really will be free agents, So Jimmy G's gonna be
Speaker 1: a free agent. He's down to twenty ye Garoppolo twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and I think that's good. I think that that's one
Speaker 1: of my takeaways when I looked at this with these
Speaker 1: teams that are looking for a quarterback, and there are
Speaker 1: a few where it's very obvious that they need QB
Speaker 1: help and they want to go get a veteran. If
Speaker 1: you don't end up with Aaron Rodgers and if you
Speaker 1: don't get Derek Carr and Lamar Jackson doesn't head your
Speaker 1: way and you're settling for Jimmy G. I think that's
Speaker 1: bad news. I think Jimmy G is a guy who
Speaker 1: is always hurt, and I don't think he'll ever produce
Speaker 1: at the level he's produced with Kyle Shanahan with that team.
Speaker 1: So I think the team that ends up getting him
Speaker 1: is going to sign up thinking we might get that
Speaker 1: great looking or very good version that we've seen flashed
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, but we'll probably end
Speaker 1: up getting is a less productive but still injury prone dude.
Speaker 1: That's who I don't want the Jets to end up with.
Speaker 1: And I think other teams that are in the market
Speaker 1: for veteran quarterback feel the same way. So I like
Speaker 1: where he is on the list here. It'll be telling
Speaker 1: if they don't really go after considering their institutional knowledge
Speaker 1: that they've had over the years. I know Lafleur's not there,
Speaker 1: but Jacobeer sat at forty four. It was hard to
Speaker 1: rank these guys. Teddy's down at sixty three. Still put
Speaker 1: him in. That does feel is that? I mean, you,
Speaker 1: I know who we've got when we go to one
Speaker 1: oh one. I don't have a problem with being far
Speaker 1: ahead of that guy. But Teddy up where he's done.
Speaker 1: We're like talking. We're talking about durability. His durability hurt
Speaker 1: the Dolphins a lot this past season, and his on
Speaker 1: field performance is a bee. I'd tell you these quarterbacks highly.
Speaker 1: It's one reason I don't think it'd be crazy for
Speaker 1: the Bears to like consider, you know, drafting a quarterback
Speaker 1: to upgrade or have both and then see what happens.
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's at eighty three. I just I just feel
Speaker 1: like those guys are ultimately more valuable than the players
Speaker 1: around them, you know, if you have to do it
Speaker 1: in context of like Teddy Bridgewater or Kaiser White, like,
Speaker 1: do you want you're a good enough who's sixty starting
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker, or do you want like a really
Speaker 1: high level backup quarterback, which is what I remember. You
Speaker 1: still rather have the backup quarter do you? Ustell Us
Speaker 1: craft the uh the top one hundred lists for the
Speaker 1: summertime filling stuff, and like I would put eight quarterbacks
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't value into these guys, so
Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from. But like I guess
Speaker 1: it's like if you're looking to fill certain positions quarter
Speaker 1: an average quarterback, overtaking like a star offensive guard or tackle.
Speaker 1: I think that's where it's a tough debate. The thing
Speaker 1: there's no stars, like where there are really stars on
Speaker 1: this list. It's not a star driven list. It's it's
Speaker 1: role players, guys who will help you out and hopefully
Speaker 1: can start for you. Javon Hargrave, though, is an example
Speaker 1: by the way of a guy who was a free agent.
Speaker 1: We say buy or be aware. That contract he signed
Speaker 1: with the Eagles last time around looks incredible. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was in our top twenty. He signed three
Speaker 1: for forty five and he was one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the league. So it can't happen. Um, just
Speaker 1: cycling back to Teddy, I like, there's little butter knife
Speaker 1: in going out with the stats here with Teddy in
Speaker 1: your blurb, Teddy two gloves had career highs and yards
Speaker 1: for attempt eight point six and touchdown percentage five point
Speaker 1: one on just seventy nine pass attens for Miami with
Speaker 1: both of his starts cut short by injury. That the
Speaker 1: last part of the sent This is the most important
Speaker 1: part of it. He can't stay healthy either. Well, he
Speaker 1: did give me Andy Dalton, who's twenty some odd spots lower.
Speaker 1: He did start twenty nine He started every game. Uh No,
Speaker 1: he started twenty nine games the two previous seasons, and
Speaker 1: the reasons he didn't start the other games was he
Speaker 1: was benched. Right, Well, that's not a huge selling point,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying he's coming. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: long history of being injured. At least the last three years.
Speaker 1: He's been pretty hell, you know with the ten thing.
Speaker 1: And I know you're riding high after the Geno victory,
Speaker 1: but I even went and looked up like, I think
Speaker 1: he's a good quarter When we talked about like his
Speaker 1: Carolina year and how the Panthers should have just kept him.
Speaker 1: Like his last ten starts with Carolina or nine touchdowns
Speaker 1: and ten starts they went one and nine in the starts.
Speaker 1: He passer rating was blow league score scouting. I think
Speaker 1: he watched him. He had his shortcomings, for sure, but
Speaker 1: he was a guy who was moving the football. He
Speaker 1: was the only person who ever moved to football in
Speaker 1: Matt Rule's offense. Okay, you know it's necessarily season was
Speaker 1: not was no treat lost every game he started down
Speaker 1: the stretch and he didn't score at Why are we
Speaker 1: talking Teddy that. I'm just saying, you know, you have
Speaker 1: him so high and it did get on my radar?
Speaker 1: What else? What else for you? Mark? I would ask
Speaker 1: one question though about the whole this, Would you ever
Speaker 1: flip the draft and free agency? I would love to
Speaker 1: because we're talking about like like what if you make
Speaker 1: if you write, I think it would hurt veterans obviously,
Speaker 1: because a lot of these guys would not be needs,
Speaker 1: but you could fill in all these big spots, especially
Speaker 1: on quarterback well right, but the Union wouldn't want it,
Speaker 1: But it just seems like it would clear up a
Speaker 1: lot of the weirdness around free agency. And the deals
Speaker 1: that don't make sense at this point, because it's like
Speaker 1: my issue with these quarterbacks is if you go get
Speaker 1: a Jimmy g like you're selling that and then maybe
Speaker 1: you don't do that in the draft, you don't go
Speaker 1: trade up for the right guy in the draft or something,
Speaker 1: and you're stuck in middle tier mezzanine level. I think
Speaker 1: it'd be a better better for the league. The NBA
Speaker 1: has their draft first, It just makes more sense. I
Speaker 1: don't think it would actually hurt the players necessarily because
Speaker 1: I think it would create like ultra needs. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't make logical sense to me. Maybe it would hurt
Speaker 1: the players. I don't really know. But like these running backs,
Speaker 1: for instance, there's such good running backs available, but I
Speaker 1: do think like depending on the class that's out there
Speaker 1: in the draft, like that'll diminished the spending because people
Speaker 1: feel like we can fill those holes. I have a
Speaker 1: good value at running back. Yeah, there's a lot of them,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe he's a little low, maybe I
Speaker 1: have him a little higher. But I can't really quibble
Speaker 1: because running backs, obviously they have a different value in
Speaker 1: the open market because of their position. But Miles Sanders
Speaker 1: is a fifty six for you. Yeah, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about one team in particular, Like everybody's been connecting
Speaker 1: the Bills. They got to add some some more talent,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh, maybe they'll get se Quon, Oh maybe
Speaker 1: they'll get Derrick Henry. How about Miles Sanders to a
Speaker 1: team like the Bills, And he's coming off a season
Speaker 1: where he was kind of back to himself. He had
Speaker 1: a lost twenty twenty one, and he had nearly fourteen
Speaker 1: hundred total yards this past season. He was a very
Speaker 1: big contributor to one of the best offenses in the league.
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders at twenty six years old in Week one,
Speaker 1: give him to me, especially if the price is right right,
Speaker 1: his question will be like, is he a difference maker?
Speaker 1: He put thirteen hundred yards up in his rookie year,
Speaker 1: he did it last season, but he was in the
Speaker 1: best situation ever. And is he much different than a
Speaker 1: Damien Harris. Yeah, let's singletary who I like? These are
Speaker 1: all lower on the list. David Montgomery. Montgomery outside your
Speaker 1: top one hundred, I think that I'd have a gripe
Speaker 1: with that. To me, he's kind of just a guy,
Speaker 1: but he does what's happening down in that eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1: I just think he fits in that world. I had
Speaker 1: so many running backs there too, most Jamal Williams is
Speaker 1: there with Shad Penny, who was hurt lest year. There's
Speaker 1: just so many guys available to But to me, there's
Speaker 1: three difference makers. I think running backs have been under
Speaker 1: rated on some level. Uh And I think sae Quon
Speaker 1: and Josh Jacobs and Pollard to a lesser degree, will
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see Pollard I might have had
Speaker 1: above sa Quon, and I certainly would have had above
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs. Raiders fans aren't like that, but he's coming
Speaker 1: off of a really serious broken leg and ankle injury.
Speaker 1: But those three guys, to me, are difference makers. You
Speaker 1: can't tell me they're worth less than like a slot
Speaker 1: receiver or Roy Robertson Harris just got three for thirty.
Speaker 1: I just can't buy it that they're worth less than
Speaker 1: Roy Robertson Harry going back to the first name, like,
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't be on board with Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: being behind O'Dell Beckham on this list. Jacobs, I think
Speaker 1: is had an excellent season, had a lot of touches,
Speaker 1: But I think he's somebody. He's still just twenty five
Speaker 1: years old. He's a guy that I would That's the
Speaker 1: type of deal I would do in three agency guys
Speaker 1: that are in their mid twenties at running back. That's
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. You have sa Quan at ten,
Speaker 1: He's obviously your highest running back. I'm kind of fascinated.
Speaker 1: But to see what kind of deal sa Quon gets
Speaker 1: um if he doesn't come back with the Giants in
Speaker 1: and I know, Pollard, who you have? What do you
Speaker 1: have twenty three? How much of the leg injury effect
Speaker 1: in his rank? King? Would he be significantly Higher'd be
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. Okay, that makes sense to me
Speaker 1: as long as the rehab goes right. I would be
Speaker 1: stunned that the Cowboys didn't bring them back and didn't
Speaker 1: just ask Zeke to take a massive haircut as ze
Speaker 1: could use air. I mean, also, like, let's move on
Speaker 1: from Zeke and nine. But Tony Pollard, I think you
Speaker 1: could These guys are all franchise tag clear cut tag candidates.
Speaker 1: I think for each of those running backs, that's true.
Speaker 1: Se Quon might not get the tag just because they
Speaker 1: have to use it for Daniel Jones, right, Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: would be interesting. I mean they didn't he was another guy.
Speaker 1: They didn't give the fifth year option like that. That
Speaker 1: came back to haunt the Giants. With Daniel Jones, the
Speaker 1: Raiders were sitting out there with no quarterback. Right now,
Speaker 1: here's what I'd be a little worried about with Jacobs.
Speaker 1: Though three ninety three touches last year by far the
Speaker 1: most of his career. He's been pretty durable as a pro.
Speaker 1: But did the Raiders get his best year? You know
Speaker 1: that is easily leading the whole thing in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. With these free angels. Let's take a break
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Speaker 1: the whole show. I don't care what else you're doing. UM,
Speaker 1: let's do something here. Let's let's spin the wheel of destiny.
Speaker 1: UM with the player. We're gonna talk about we got
Speaker 1: the one on one, the top one on one here, UM,
Speaker 1: eliminate the guys we've already talked about. Spin the wheel
Speaker 1: and wherever it lands, we're gonna have a conversation about
Speaker 1: that player. Hit it all right, here we go. God,
Speaker 1: I hope it's someone somewhat interesting, but you can always
Speaker 1: like to spin off to a side conversation that's fair
Speaker 1: to the fun. We got number ninety eight Larry Ogan Jobi.
Speaker 1: That's great, go ahead, Greggy. So he's a guy though
Speaker 1: that everyone gets excited because he makes those couple of
Speaker 1: slash plays every year. But then you see like the
Speaker 1: Browns kind of didn't really want him back and the
Speaker 1: Bengals I think we're happy. I mean, the Bengals were
Speaker 1: happy with him, but not as happy as they were
Speaker 1: with b J. Hill. And like he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys when you keep coming back to free agency. To me,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a red flag sign. That
Speaker 1: huge deal with the Bears that fell through because of
Speaker 1: the physical spin it again, nice little uh compent. I
Speaker 1: thought we were going to just like have some Steelers
Speaker 1: like defense stock. I'm sorry, forty Ben Powers. I like
Speaker 1: the getting the random names because offensive guard aged twenty six. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this week one this gets to um, why you
Speaker 1: know when you peep behind the curtain, sometimes the one
Speaker 1: on one's a little dicey. Where am I really coming
Speaker 1: from grading all these guards. Of course I talked to
Speaker 1: some people. I look at PFF and you try to
Speaker 1: like put them, But like, how do I grade and
Speaker 1: put Ben Powers, for instance, versus Jacoby Brissette or Brandon
Speaker 1: Graham and these players. I could get you suggestion you
Speaker 1: didn't ask me before tape dog Just do the work,
Speaker 1: grind it out, hours and hours and weeks and weeks
Speaker 1: of dogging. Even then it's like, what exactly am I
Speaker 1: looking for? Totally like you, like I do talk to
Speaker 1: people who know and trust people that know more ultimately,
Speaker 1: But I struggled with these guards. For instance, Powers was
Speaker 1: fighting for a training camp spot at this time a
Speaker 1: year ago or going into the season, was not even
Speaker 1: a locked in guard. Then ended up having a season
Speaker 1: that PFF one crazy for the Raven said he was
Speaker 1: their best offensive lineman. He has positioned versatility, He kind
Speaker 1: of came out of Noor and so I actually put him,
Speaker 1: I think, first among all the guards. But it's like him,
Speaker 1: it's Nate Davis, your guy in Tennessee who I was
Speaker 1: pumping you for information throughout the year. It's a year
Speaker 1: long process. But these guys who are like slightly above
Speaker 1: average guards, But you really want to like spend a
Speaker 1: lot of money to me, like, I'd rather spend my
Speaker 1: money at other positions. Get an offensive line coach, get
Speaker 1: with that. But I think if you're like, let's say
Speaker 1: you're the Rams and you don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: draft picks and you have to fix that line, like
Speaker 1: someone like Ben Powers becomes the guy that twelve articles
Speaker 1: are written about a week in the summer. If he
Speaker 1: becomes a figure, those guys pay off that much. Though,
Speaker 1: I feel like if you can just have a good
Speaker 1: coaching staff and you develop your own guys, That's that's
Speaker 1: why I have him low as like the best guard available. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and some would say, you know, the wheel segment of
Speaker 1: this conversation is not going well, But that was the
Speaker 1: number one guard in the market, So you tell me,
Speaker 1: was it not a bad place? So how would you
Speaker 1: Nate Davis, Isaac Solomalo, Dalton Reisner, Ben Powers, And let's
Speaker 1: throw on Ethan Pocheck because you know, really more of
Speaker 1: a sixteen twenty four and the order that you just saidabetically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that a scattered them through the list. No one's gonna
Speaker 1: notice the guards. Ralph just simply off about guard change
Speaker 1: in your life. I want multiple more spins. All right,
Speaker 1: spin it again. This needs to be something someone that
Speaker 1: everyone knows. Yeah why, I don't know. Just this is
Speaker 1: the time for Ben Powers to get his airtime. He's great.
Speaker 1: Number seventy Damian Harris, all right, he did touch on
Speaker 1: Damian though didn't way well barely. Though Damien was on
Speaker 1: your fantasy team though, Dad, he was once upon a time.
Speaker 1: He's a good I think he's better, but he kind
Speaker 1: of fell out of favor, maybe a favor with Belichick,
Speaker 1: but he certainly Remondre Stevenson kind of became the guy there.
Speaker 1: But Harris, I think is a good one two punch
Speaker 1: type dude. I don't know if I want him leading
Speaker 1: my field. I think he's an amazing free agent pick up.
Speaker 1: Like I'd actually rather have him than Miles Sanders maybe
Speaker 1: now that I think, how about how about those guys
Speaker 1: as a tandem that perfect like just as a pure
Speaker 1: runner explosiveness making him as he's one of the best
Speaker 1: pure runners I think the Patriots have ever had. But
Speaker 1: he's been hurt in a little limited in passing game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just do a little, uh little wiggle here,
Speaker 1: a little audible. I'm gonna talk about the guy ahead
Speaker 1: and below, Damien Harris, Fletcher Cox. How about that? Fletcher
Speaker 1: Cox will be thirty two, was a major part of
Speaker 1: what was until Super Bowl fifty seven a dominant defensive
Speaker 1: line for the Eagles. Brandy Graham is also in the
Speaker 1: mix here. These pass rushers, Greg, They're not gonna get
Speaker 1: big deals, but they'll they should get those one maybe
Speaker 1: two year deals. Is a rotational type guy. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: had Cox almost off the list because he was at
Speaker 1: first and then I looked in at the end of
Speaker 1: the year he was really playing well. Graham was is
Speaker 1: gonna be in the top forty? Is Graham on the list?
Speaker 1: We've had these debates with guys who are avoided or
Speaker 1: not because technically saying Graham is at some point he
Speaker 1: will be there. Though he will he is there at
Speaker 1: forty five, there's different variations. And then we have at
Speaker 1: number seventy one, Alan Lazard. Interesting Aaron Rodgers. As you wrote, Greg,
Speaker 1: he was big last season offseason, before the season started out.
Speaker 1: This is the dude, he's my number one receiver. Um,
Speaker 1: what kind of market would he have with the Packers
Speaker 1: want to bring that guy back? He said he was
Speaker 1: Scaron Rodgers or Jordan l It was gonna be bougie
Speaker 1: about where he where he went. He's had a great experience,
Speaker 1: great experience in Green Bay's gonna go to some half
Speaker 1: baked operation. Like I kind of qualified as like every
Speaker 1: team needs three or four receivers. How many that are
Speaker 1: available you can put into one of those rotations and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good player for you. Lazard was
Speaker 1: kind of my cutoff. Yeah, I like Darius Slayton a lot,
Speaker 1: and in the fifties, I like Dju Like they can
Speaker 1: be in that rotation. After that, then you're kind of guessing.
Speaker 1: There's Mac Collins, There's Jarvis Landry if he can stay healthy,
Speaker 1: Nelson Agilar, bunch of guys, Sterling Shepard. I'm waiting healthy,
Speaker 1: just a bunch of guys. I want to spend the
Speaker 1: wheel again. I don't care what Dan says, let's go.
Speaker 1: I didn't say we shouldn't spend the wheel good. I said,
Speaker 1: let's get a let's get a name that matters all.
Speaker 1: They're human beings, see that. I'm just gonna spin the
Speaker 1: wheel one hundred and fifty times. What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Mike has to talk about that. I think Mike Gasecki,
Speaker 1: who was you know, talked about last summer, is like, oh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit into the Mike McDaniel offense. Like Mike Asecki,
Speaker 1: there are a couple interesting tight ends in general in
Speaker 1: this whole free agent crop, and I think he in
Speaker 1: the right offense, is a difference maker. I'd like him,
Speaker 1: And I don't know why people say he's uh Mikasecki.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think who would say that? Stop?
Speaker 1: I think he said it. Well, well, some people thought
Speaker 1: that when he wasn't producing. But yeah, maybe he just
Speaker 1: needs to wait beyond Is he your second tight end
Speaker 1: after Schultz? H Ingram right above him, So there are
Speaker 1: three good tight end. Schultz last year was very productive
Speaker 1: once he was back from injury with Dak Prescott, like,
Speaker 1: I think they kind of have to keep him, and
Speaker 1: then Evan Ingram had a nice season. I think they
Speaker 1: will franchise tag him. But Gasecki is a good example
Speaker 1: of one of my things is people just make these
Speaker 1: rankings and they just talk about the previous year and
Speaker 1: they don't look at the whole. But when they were
Speaker 1: just using him as a slot receiver, he's a great
Speaker 1: tight end. Slot receiver, which to me is a very
Speaker 1: useful trait. You know who could use him. It's your
Speaker 1: New York Jets because they have a lot of tight ends.
Speaker 1: We have so many, but they don't have one that
Speaker 1: matters to me that like is a plus starter. They're
Speaker 1: they're fine, Tyler Conklin. They improved greatly from like one
Speaker 1: of the worst groups in the league to like now
Speaker 1: we're okay. Uh And maybe they're a team that should
Speaker 1: draft someone with But they have a Samah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they don't have a quarterback. More the issue
Speaker 1: than this, to me, I think they would be they
Speaker 1: have a perfectly services would be an instant. It could
Speaker 1: run like three. How many of those guys are making
Speaker 1: big player? I think, as Conklin was, Zama is not
Speaker 1: a pass catcher. You know, he's a blocking guy. How
Speaker 1: many yards did he had? Two hundred yards? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were using I don't know if they I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's got a future of the team. I know
Speaker 1: he probably didn't sign up for the role he ended
Speaker 1: up having. You know, I like him in England. By
Speaker 1: the way, I think you have Ingram one spot ahead
Speaker 1: of gaseki Um and I think the Jaguars will be
Speaker 1: crazy to let him get away, because yeah, that feels
Speaker 1: like a thing where if he ever got to the
Speaker 1: open market, um, and you had an offense that could
Speaker 1: use him the right way. AKA, don't ask him to
Speaker 1: be a you know, a blocking type tenant, Let him
Speaker 1: be a playmaker. I think he's an ascending guy that's
Speaker 1: gotten out of the giants uh mud and found his
Speaker 1: way with Jacksonville Wells. One of the types of guys
Speaker 1: that I actually you can find value in free agency.
Speaker 1: It's possible. They signed him last year for one year,
Speaker 1: nine million dollars. I mean, that was a nice deal.
Speaker 1: Now they've just got to tag him for a similar amount.
Speaker 1: He was number fifty on my list a year ago,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at this list and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I underrated him, And then I'm also seeing Hassan Reddick
Speaker 1: wasn't even in the top. It happens, It happens, It happens.
Speaker 1: Who all right, who in this list? Greg, are you
Speaker 1: most worried about becoming the Hassan redd of twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: because there will be somebody, so anybody that you really
Speaker 1: you had him lower and you're like, oh, my way
Speaker 1: off on this one. I gotta roll forward. I gotta
Speaker 1: I got the movers come in. I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of bob. My wife's got to do the plumbing. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of issues this weekend that we who
Speaker 1: do you worry about that can greatly exceed in terms
Speaker 1: of value based on where you have them? Win is
Speaker 1: at fifty one. He's a Patriot's first round pick that
Speaker 1: at times episode a very high level of play. Those
Speaker 1: are the types of players that worry me. But he's
Speaker 1: coming off some injuries and was definitely out of favor
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. But like he's shown it, maybe in
Speaker 1: the right system he could do it. He's won. Did
Speaker 1: I underrate some of these pass rushers? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sampson Ebacom was pretty good last year. What if you
Speaker 1: get like a late career or a latter career like
Speaker 1: latent vandersh explosion with the right team like vanderish Port.
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams seventeen touchdowns this year and he's at seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Our friend, he was one of those where I was
Speaker 1: like doing the third pass and I was like, shoot,
Speaker 1: I don't even have Jamal Williams on this ranking at all.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta after he came on our show,
Speaker 1: he's gotta come on. Let's zoom him up to seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Julian loves it. Interesting safety. You kind of came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere for the Giants last year had a nice
Speaker 1: lot of safety. Robert Woods made the top one hundred.
Speaker 1: I was shot an old guy there, Bobby Trees. How
Speaker 1: about this? Is it when you you've been on the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, you get preferential treat all right,
Speaker 1: that's only makes sense. Um. Or if we think you're
Speaker 1: coming on the air on the NFL podcast and then
Speaker 1: a safety shows up instead, roll out the carpet for you. UM.
Speaker 1: Is it the way to judge whether or not you
Speaker 1: UM got it right? Quote unquote. Is it how the
Speaker 1: guy plays in the upcoming season? Or is it when
Speaker 1: let's say, I'll throw a name out there. If if
Speaker 1: Justin Houston ends up getting a nice deal for instantly
Speaker 1: he's too old, let me go with Tyler Rapp ends
Speaker 1: up getting a much bigger deal than you thought he would.
Speaker 1: Does that mean it's already the your list was off.
Speaker 1: It's what teams think. I think if you, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to do it, you'd have to
Speaker 1: like look a year from now and compare it to
Speaker 1: other lists who I was higher on versus them, and
Speaker 1: how those players did. Like Zach Allen was one as
Speaker 1: I did the list Cardinals, and no one, uh you know,
Speaker 1: benefited more from Hard Knocks than Zach Allen. I know one.
Speaker 1: No one watched Hard Knocks. He's at fourteen, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: at fourteen. He kept a sneaking up the list higher
Speaker 1: and higher, higher and higher, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: who I would want and free. What was it like,
Speaker 1: Zach Allen? Million people that didn't see it? What did
Speaker 1: Zack Allen do on Hard Knocks that he just seemed
Speaker 1: like like a good guy to have around. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be the next JJ Watt and
Speaker 1: he kept and he played really well. He was one
Speaker 1: of their few players and he had a monster see vance.
Speaker 1: Joseph also to me was highly impressive. I think if
Speaker 1: you were an owner and he watched them, You're just like,
Speaker 1: that's a freaking dude that I would want in front
Speaker 1: of my player. He did the rare thing where he
Speaker 1: went back to the team where he failed his head coach.
Speaker 1: You don't write, you don't see that. I kind of
Speaker 1: dig that was for that. This was Mark's U take.
Speaker 1: You got to you gotta be open to go back
Speaker 1: to remember this take of yours last week when we
Speaker 1: mentioned the Evans Joseph news and he said that was
Speaker 1: Mark's long standing take and didn't remember. You just said
Speaker 1: it again. It's multiple times where it's like you go
Speaker 1: when you at the Peter Principal thing, you fail as
Speaker 1: the head coach, but there's that opening you go back
Speaker 1: to a place, come back home. I was impressed with
Speaker 1: his leadership. But Zach Allen, let's go Zach Allen, Draymont Jones,
Speaker 1: let's go. Those are guys I'm pretty high. I like, uh,
Speaker 1: since I'm looking at it, Lavante David at nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: three years old, but I could see him having even
Speaker 1: though it didn't work. Again, it didn't work out with
Speaker 1: the Rams and Bobby Wagner. If you're a team that's
Speaker 1: looking for some a veteran that could come in and
Speaker 1: deliver some high level play for a year or two,
Speaker 1: you do a lot worse than him. Right. That's the
Speaker 1: thing is like people are always looking for the young
Speaker 1: guys that can spend huge money on. But you Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner was a great deal last year. Ultimately, like he
Speaker 1: performed for more than he was worth. Right, he's not
Speaker 1: on the team anymore. Very straight greg Number twenty four
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport. I feel like that's a tough guy to know,
Speaker 1: like to spend a lot of money on because he
Speaker 1: seems like he could be awesome, but then he's also
Speaker 1: unavailable half the time. He would have been in the
Speaker 1: top ten if it was a year ago. I've always
Speaker 1: been a huge fan of Davenport. He's a kind of player.
Speaker 1: I like he's like a poor man's Jadevian Clowney. He's
Speaker 1: just so strong and he creates pressure and he's just
Speaker 1: like doesn't need to be subtle because he just makes
Speaker 1: other guys look. But he never stays healthy. And the
Speaker 1: Saints were very glad to see you finally took Clowney
Speaker 1: off this list because now he's there one. What is this?
Speaker 1: I can't I can't show. I can't shake my fists
Speaker 1: anymore about this one season season last year, down on
Speaker 1: the team at the end of well, that's why I
Speaker 1: put him down at forty one. I think that's lower
Speaker 1: that only the duck that he quit on the team.
Speaker 1: Let's check some other list I have drop. Now it's
Speaker 1: time for me to check him because I don't want
Speaker 1: them get let's war it is PFF clowney. Let's just
Speaker 1: find him. What is this? What does okay? I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: am I crazy? He's always been like a PFF darling
Speaker 1: that guy. I think Also, it's a there's a lack
Speaker 1: of edge rushers, and maybe you're just taking a position
Speaker 1: and moving it up a little bit because it's it's
Speaker 1: rough out there. If you're looking for an edge rusher,
Speaker 1: you're looking to the drift or trades. There's gotta be
Speaker 1: some good names being cut that I'll make this list
Speaker 1: look a little sexier. You do have Unique and Gawquay
Speaker 1: at thirty three. That's a pretty good edge rusher. Good
Speaker 1: point forgot about him. It's been the wheel again. Oh good.
Speaker 1: As we wrapped this up, we're bringing it in for
Speaker 1: a landing. Caleb McGarry. Let's get Caleb McGarry in there,
Speaker 1: number thirty. Oh well, I just brought him up. Wait,
Speaker 1: who is it? I landed on Unique and Gaway? Who
Speaker 1: I just that's Bridget. It's a little worrisome. He's like
Speaker 1: gonna be on his fifth team into four years, but
Speaker 1: he does produce fifty three. Marcus Peters, Oh, Marcus Peters.
Speaker 1: Is that a nice career to put him higher? Or
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see how long can we stay
Speaker 1: silent and Dan just talk about thirty Okay. Well, he's
Speaker 1: back from the ACL and he's a starting quarter Okay,
Speaker 1: I think he's a starting good spot. And actually the
Speaker 1: fact that he stepped in last year, it was like
Speaker 1: immediately back to being solid enough. He just seems like
Speaker 1: one of those guys so you can kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they age really well until they don't
Speaker 1: and then they're done. But he's just like a player,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying it right, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of like a dog. He knows how to play. You
Speaker 1: can put him on any team and he can take
Speaker 1: up snaps for you. There's actually some decent cornerbacks available
Speaker 1: above him. Jonathan Jones I mentioned Jamal Dean is a
Speaker 1: good starter who's in my top twenty for the Bucks.
Speaker 1: He's a solid player. Bradberry and now, without further ado,
Speaker 1: we discuss as as he every year. He likes to
Speaker 1: have a name brand Greggy at one oh one and
Speaker 1: this year is no different. Drum roll please, The number
Speaker 1: one oh one ranked player and Greg's NFL free agents
Speaker 1: countdown is Baker Mayfield. I mean it is it even perfect?
Speaker 1: One on one? He is not accurate, but it is perfect.
Speaker 1: It's not accurate. I think it's perfect. What what if
Speaker 1: I told you that there was another quarterback and his
Speaker 1: last seventeen starts when you measure the two QB's last seventeen,
Speaker 1: this guy too that this quarterback has more touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: fewer turnovers, a higher passer rating, more passing yards, a
Speaker 1: higher completion percentage, fewer sacks, less drama. But you know
Speaker 1: who I was talking about? Yeah, I don't know. Come on,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Oh, those are all facts. That's not
Speaker 1: my opinion. All all that data favors Darnald. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a human, absolutely right, And if he just hadn't made
Speaker 1: that last start of the season, which I happened to watch,
Speaker 1: I'm a human and sometimes the last sometimes the last
Speaker 1: thing you saw ways too heavily. I will admit to
Speaker 1: having that problem. Like Miles Sanders was a kind of
Speaker 1: a problem for the Eagles in the Super Bowl. A
Speaker 1: couple bad runs couldn't keep him in bouncing too the outside.
Speaker 1: That hurt him. Sam Darnald had that great run where
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is everything we ever wanted out
Speaker 1: of Sam Darnald. He's really better than ever. And then
Speaker 1: he showed up in week eighteen. I think it was
Speaker 1: against the Saints. I watched that game and he was
Speaker 1: a total disaster and it was just like, I get
Speaker 1: dressed this guy, Get dressed him. I think he saved
Speaker 1: his career though as a like a number two. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can go in with the starter if
Speaker 1: you're if you're Sam Darnald, but I think Baker Mayfield too.
Speaker 1: At mid season, we had a conversation that Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: may never play again because of the Baker Mayfield experience
Speaker 1: on top of the bad play. The Rams thing was
Speaker 1: kind of a blessing. It was like it was I
Speaker 1: think saved his career and got him another number two country.
Speaker 1: The Saints are talking about him as a potential starter,
Speaker 1: which sounds like did you well, so did you see
Speaker 1: like Baker's last start of the season, for instance, against
Speaker 1: the Yeah, Bakers had some ugly My point is not
Speaker 1: I don't want to get to go down when I
Speaker 1: do this five for fifteen for forty three and three
Speaker 1: turn rivers, and that was after hitting like his last
Speaker 1: two or three passes. I think he had like here
Speaker 1: what the Christmas Day start where he was like twenty two.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about yeah Mayfield. Let me just say this
Speaker 1: that I'm not saying that Sam Donald should be one
Speaker 1: oh one. I'm saying I think I saw your your
Speaker 1: raw list and you had Donald at one fourteen or so.
Speaker 1: I think that's where Baker should be as well. I
Speaker 1: think they're basically the same. Like if you want a
Speaker 1: guy who's a backup, but if you want a little
Speaker 1: more sizzle on your steak. Well thought about Minshew because
Speaker 1: he felt like a nice one. That's who I wrote.
Speaker 1: I haven't written right here, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna give Minshew some credit. I'm actually
Speaker 1: gonna just I would rather have beensued than Baker. I
Speaker 1: got him a little higher up. I got him for
Speaker 1: this exercise. Baker's the perfect one and one to go
Speaker 1: to Sean Kipson. There's nothing I mean, I don't have
Speaker 1: an issue with it. I just was pointing out that statistically,
Speaker 1: and it's not just staring at box scores or whatever it's.
Speaker 1: You know, Baker would give you some moments. I take
Speaker 1: Mayfield's highs over Darnold ties, but I take neither of
Speaker 1: them as I think Baker could be like a fitzpat
Speaker 1: Patrick type guy where he can come in for three
Speaker 1: or four games and give you some juice. I mean,
Speaker 1: Saints are talking about making him the starter. P Saints
Speaker 1: have no the Saints are out of out of options.
Speaker 1: In general, there's interest in Baker Mayfield. Like I think
Speaker 1: I had to do it. I think I had to
Speaker 1: do it just twenty five free agents of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: like before the season started, and you know, Baker was
Speaker 1: in the top five. So it wasn't that long ago
Speaker 1: that I had a completely different opinion, not blind. I
Speaker 1: think it's changed. There's something about Baker that people gravitate towards,
Speaker 1: and it's when he has those games people get excited
Speaker 1: about him. I think I think he might be the
Speaker 1: best one on one ever in the sense that like
Speaker 1: well GINO one to number two, Well, I mean no,
Speaker 1: I just mean in juice and just like yeah, I
Speaker 1: like I like it. I like the idea of having
Speaker 1: someone in there that spurs debate. I think he's limited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, and maybe you think I overrate Gino and
Speaker 1: I definitely have a certain type. I like the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that are really quarterbacking out there, and I feel like
Speaker 1: that's where Baker. I don't know if he's ever gonna
Speaker 1: get there in terms of like making full feel reads
Speaker 1: and like, but he can give you us, give us
Speaker 1: some juice. But Gino, like I, I disagreed with you
Speaker 1: that I think Derek Carr is better value. But I
Speaker 1: have right around top five as well. It's six or that.
Speaker 1: Actually know what i'd have Gino over Daniel Jones. I
Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you, so I would I would
Speaker 1: have him at maybe five on this list. But otherwise, Greg,
Speaker 1: you've done great work. Mark. Do you have any final thoughts?
Speaker 1: I am bowled over by the work Greg is done.
Speaker 1: Been excellent. Yes, it continues to be. You know what's
Speaker 1: it doesn't bowl me over is that one x drow
Speaker 1: week that we uh work now because of the eighteenth
Speaker 1: Yes season, you feel one no one season really start.
Speaker 1: You know, it's there's no cruise for me anymore. That
Speaker 1: it's ruined my that little spot that's a tough that
Speaker 1: is got to get in there. It's a bad beat,
Speaker 1: but you're also extremely fortunate, incredibly, we are very lucky
Speaker 1: to do what we do. Yeah, maybe I think we
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're still talking about the eighteenth week
Speaker 1: of the season. Maybe we need a table that combo.
Speaker 1: It's not changing, it's gonna get longer. So we're we're
Speaker 1: based on the only people left still talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed. Uh, this is continuing, all right, justin
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts before we say goodbye? Wow,
Speaker 1: Robert Woods on the list, Come on, it's personal for you.
Speaker 1: Taylor the one not on the list, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a t said like he doesn't
Speaker 1: know if he can like function in his everyday life
Speaker 1: and he's not sure if he ever wants to play football.
Speaker 1: That's a gots to go off the list situation. He
Speaker 1: was on it until then. So he's also got a
Speaker 1: hit podcast of his own by the way, so oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where we got the quotes from. And then he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like, I don't know if I'm ever sorry.
Speaker 1: Did you dig into all the other players that that
Speaker 1: podcasts on this list to see anywhere their mental Patrick
Speaker 1: Peterson for example, he's a show let's get on the list,
Speaker 1: which is another year of removed from that surgery, which
Speaker 1: is a hard one to recover from. And he had
Speaker 1: a couple of moments where it's like, I think you
Speaker 1: could he passed my like can you throw him into
Speaker 1: a good team as your third or fourth receiver and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get you six hundred yards and help your team.
Speaker 1: I think he could see the Rams bringing him back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cooper Couple is locker room leader, making it, making noise
Speaker 1: about it. Bobby Trees also he took a picture with
Speaker 1: my son. That's that's nice that colors. You're ranking No.
Speaker 1: Di Teller one is thirty one. He's three time Pro bowler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't literally been able to stay on the field.
Speaker 1: And he he was saying, uh, that doesn't hurt you
Speaker 1: know Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater has played football in the
Speaker 1: last few years, and he wasn't saying that he might
Speaker 1: not be able to continue to play football. Taylor Lawan
Speaker 1: two out of the last three years played five games
Speaker 1: or less and it's coming up. It might not play.
Speaker 1: It sounded like he was going to retire. That was
Speaker 1: part of the I agree with that. It did sound
Speaker 1: like it sounded like he doesn't want to play football anymore.
Speaker 1: He's got a thriving podcast up. This podcast, it's come
Speaker 1: up multiple times. Is it Busting with the Boys? Good?
Speaker 1: It's he's He's drive the Pat McAfee. Uh, I've yet
Speaker 1: to catch an app. Will Compton is also like a
Speaker 1: major Him and Taylor Lawan did this together. And Will
Speaker 1: always gets offended because everyone just says it's Taylor's podcast,
Speaker 1: and like Will does a lot of the legwork. But
Speaker 1: tough sitch. Yeah, I'm sure he's thrilled or discussing that, right, right,
Speaker 1: I M it happens on all podcast as, even to
Speaker 1: all three co hosts. Right, just not good. It bothers me.
Speaker 1: But why is it so important? I'll talk to my
Speaker 1: age and about host. Is you understand Greg and I
Speaker 1: did not engineer that. We just discovered that. I don't
Speaker 1: want I feel like hosts. You are the host of
Speaker 1: this podcast. But when you think of hosts in the
Speaker 1: traditional sense, that's sort of like an old media thing
Speaker 1: where it's like the host doesn't have their own opinions necessarily,
Speaker 1: they're not They're just like setting people up and this
Speaker 1: and that and that's not you either, So you want
Speaker 1: to be put I think sane. I think I am
Speaker 1: a new age host. I think innovator age. It's not
Speaker 1: it wouldn't. Um, that's These are all terms that people
Speaker 1: have thrown out. Um, where did we start? How long
Speaker 1: is this podcast? What is the appropriate term for what
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg do on the show? If it's not
Speaker 1: co question, I would ask that, Um, can you give
Speaker 1: me one show, like a day to think about it?
Speaker 1: And then I'll yeah, I'll throw out some analyst. But
Speaker 1: that feels it's too important for that side. No, I
Speaker 1: think yeah, I think what's what's crucial is you need
Speaker 1: to make a line of demarcation. Justin that shows that
Speaker 1: we are lesser than and it makes Dan feel better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: justin throwing out sidekicks that would work. I think they
Speaker 1: would like that. What if I run an analysis on
Speaker 1: all the minutes that each of you have spent talking
Speaker 1: on this show? I don't want to find out. I
Speaker 1: don't think that would help anyone. Um, all right, that's it.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Check it out, Greggy, excellent work. Top one
Speaker 1: on one. We'll be back on Wednesday and we're gonna
Speaker 1: start digging into the coaches, GM's press conferences, the news.
Speaker 1: Maybe Lamar Jackson gets traded. That would be nice. A
Speaker 1: lot coming up. He the call,