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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is now less successful than

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Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Hansas, got all the heroes back together,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal back, Mark Sessler Combine week. We're holding it

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Speaker 1: down from Los Angeles this year, but the coverage will

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Speaker 1: be just as good, if not better. Mark, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: How is your time away? There's a lot of mystery

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Speaker 1: whenever Mark's away? Where is Mark? Is he coming back?

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Speaker 1: The men deserved a vacation, and he took that vacation

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Speaker 1: and now he has returned. Well. I pulled a the

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Speaker 1: old trick that Greggy used to do, which I think

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Speaker 1: I've learned is quite valuable. Which would you often would

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Speaker 1: do the right after Super Bowl? Yeah, do the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'd wait till May or June and roll in like

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Speaker 1: a car that rolled off the road. So it's like

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Speaker 1: this was actually a next level move by myself for

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Speaker 1: my smart Yeah, got you. I am with myself. Now

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Speaker 1: got you two weeks off, so you are fully refreshed.

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Speaker 1: I feel great. I understand that you were on a

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Speaker 1: cruise during what is some of the most unfortunate wintry

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Speaker 1: This is an accurate um audible sound. Bye. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was one of these cruises that you can get

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Speaker 1: on for very little amount of money, right, And I thought, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I have low expectations. But by the way, just not

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Speaker 1: for nothing. You're a successful Well no, I just see

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Speaker 1: a personally, I found a park, but found a great deal.

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Speaker 1: To you, I just found a great deal like it

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Speaker 1: just you know, so it's like it had everything you need.

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Speaker 1: But like, um, when we got on, we were initially

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Speaker 1: supposed to go to catalin Island, right, which is yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a nice, glorious and went down to like Ensnata, Mexico.

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Speaker 1: And the first announcement because if you go on these ships,

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Speaker 1: like they just pound you with these announcements left rimes

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Speaker 1: like right, it's like we are wiping Catalina Island off

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Speaker 1: the schedule right away. So there were no stops essentially,

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Speaker 1: into the end. They just spent most of the time

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Speaker 1: I mean you could always see um dangerous clouds in

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Speaker 1: just was, you know, it's the only thing worse perhaps

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Speaker 1: storm in twenty five years. Moving so and that was

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Speaker 1: Greg's weekend. That was that was unfortunate. It was. I

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Speaker 1: didn't at first. I was like, do I use an?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was. It was a lot of rain.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of rain, a lot of moving

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Speaker 1: ten years in that place. You know how much junk

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have left a lot of the work to

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Speaker 1: a lot most of his wet um. Well, it's good

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of lis for you. You were, you

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Speaker 1: of that left over work. Emmaca is more of the

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Speaker 1: handy woman around the house. You're going, you're doing so

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Speaker 1: well there. Yes, this is a very important episode in

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Speaker 1: the offseason for US. It's Greg Rosenthal's top one on

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Speaker 1: celebratory horn gesture, justin, I'll give me the other one.

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Speaker 1: I want more, I want bigger, give me it now.

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Speaker 1: It is the top one oh one. And he put

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Speaker 1: through Gregs one to one, both the good and the bad.

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Speaker 1: And I did study it um at great length this morning,

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Speaker 1: Greg care So I hope so actually, well, that would

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Speaker 1: seen the future of horror pell Raiser beyond any terror

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Speaker 1: And it was actually the same party that we talked

427
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Speaker 1: about me trying to get the attention of the RAMS CEO.

428
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean this party had some heavy hitters. We're talking

429
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: about the tush push. I think the Eagles are getting

430
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Speaker 1: punished for being so good at it a little bit entirely.

431
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: Every Like Sean Patin's like, well if every everyone could

432
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: go do it, like we're gonna install that, and every

433
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: every team around the league is doing it. Well, why

434
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: didn't they do it? They couldn't do it. They don't

435
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Speaker 1: have Jalen Hurts in that offensive line. Like I do

436
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: think everyone is crying poor a little bit because you

437
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: have maybe the strongest running quarterback alongside Cam Newton, and

438
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. His quads are bigger

439
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: than most of your quarterbacks put together. Like, you don't

440
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Speaker 1: have that offensive line, You're not as like Daring Dew

441
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Speaker 1: in terms of how you call it. You're not as

442
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Speaker 1: well coached. I don't think everyone would do it or

443
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Speaker 1: will do it, because they would be doing it. No,

444
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: you're right, and it's a little annoying to me. They

445
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Speaker 1: only they only made it for being so good. They

446
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: only allowed it to become. They had a rule around

447
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: until sixteen years ago you couldn't, and then for the

448
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: past sixteen years you could, and until the until this season,

449
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: when was it an issue? How about like, why isn't

450
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the response we're defenses, We'll catch up and figure way

451
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: to stop it. We had to go rule change it.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's a great point. Mark, I got

453
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Speaker 1: all right, justin I got our June eighteenth show. We

454
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Speaker 1: open with Tom Pelsero, Okay, we have a frank conversation

455
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Speaker 1: about his nickname. Then we bring in Dean Blandino and

456
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Speaker 1: we just talk sartorial choices, fashion, Dean on fashion, and

457
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Speaker 1: then maybe if we can get him sharing some maybe

458
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Speaker 1: gossip nuggets beachside town rumors with about Greg Rosenthal that

459
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Speaker 1: maybe he's heard, don't think he's aware of fashion existence.

460
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Speaker 1: And then we close with Cavon roll him in Hannibal

461
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Speaker 1: Lecter style. I believe that is the week of the

462
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Speaker 1: nfl um media Thing media summit. All right, let's make

463
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Speaker 1: it twenty fifth I think I think that's a good

464
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Speaker 1: June episode. I literally would be at a loss on

465
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Speaker 1: how to follow up with cavan I think two out

466
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: of three of those are very realistic gets for us.

467
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Speaker 1: Which one which two? Which one do you think is

468
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Speaker 1: not realistic? The one who's been on the pod many times,

469
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: three times? I feel like he would be the one

470
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Speaker 1: that was the most realistic. I don't We'll see. I

471
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Speaker 1: don't know what our booking department would say if we

472
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Speaker 1: requested him again. I don't think he'll well, he'll remember,

473
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Speaker 1: but not when they asked him. He'll remember once the conversation.

474
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Speaker 1: The minute he sees us on screen, he might remember

475
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Speaker 1: our antics, the athletic moving on, great publication, do nice work.

476
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Speaker 1: Purchased by the New York Times. You're so go, nice investment.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye by the Gray Lady. Yeah. They reported that Russell

478
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Speaker 1: Wilson last February asked the Seahawks the ownership, specifically to

479
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Speaker 1: fire head coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider.

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Speaker 1: If this is to be believed, Seahawks and said, okay, bro,

481
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: thanks for the input, and then they turned around and

482
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Speaker 1: traded him to the Broncos. And here's how Russell Wilson

483
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Speaker 1: responded to this report. I love Pete and he was

484
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Speaker 1: a father figure to me, and John believed in me

485
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Speaker 1: and drafted me as well. I never wanted them fired.

486
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Speaker 1: All any of us wanted was to win. I'll always

487
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Speaker 1: have respect for them and love for Seattle. Focused on

488
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Speaker 1: moving forward best as a head. Who do you believe?

489
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Speaker 1: Who you got? I mean, are you kidding? Come on?

490
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Speaker 1: Klem Kaylor, Mike Sando, and Jason Jenks, who wrote this

491
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Speaker 1: article are all like incredible reporters. They don't put something

492
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Speaker 1: that big without knowing for a fact that That's what happened.

493
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: There's no question he wanted them gone. Good. Retort, good,

494
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and I throw a sexy deep ball also good.

495
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Speaker 1: How does it How would any of that just bubble

496
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: up out of literally thin air? I mean, there was

497
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Speaker 1: reporting around how unhappy he was for years. Pete Carroll

498
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Speaker 1: was at the center of it. I just think it

499
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Speaker 1: shows because the one thing that was the best part

500
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Speaker 1: of the Russell Wilson Pete Carroll stuff out of the

501
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: gate was that Pete Carroll and John Schneider went atypical

502
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Speaker 1: in the draft to find a quarterback that once Russell

503
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Speaker 1: Wilson succeeded, change the way we draft quarterbacks and think

504
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Speaker 1: about quarterback stature. All of that was great. In the end,

505
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: I think it unmasked Russell Wilson as where he is now,

506
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Speaker 1: and it went all through last season in Denver as

507
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Speaker 1: someone overtaken entirely by Hubris, who literally forgot what Pete

508
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Speaker 1: Carroll did for me. I'm not saying it was a

509
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Speaker 1: perfect relationship. It ran its course, it got ugly and

510
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: needed to end. But the idea that Russell Wilson is

511
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Speaker 1: putting a statement out and had nothing to do with

512
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Speaker 1: this and never said any of this or try to

513
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Speaker 1: wield his power to me as utter nonsense. Lawyers contact

514
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Speaker 1: the Athletic oh with a statement that they were kind

515
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Speaker 1: of like a firearm or anything. Most of the article

516
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: is more about how much he dominated Nathaniel Hackett though

517
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Speaker 1: in their relationship in I didn't love to hear considering

518
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Speaker 1: he's now employed by the Getropolitans. Wow, he's back in

519
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Speaker 1: the Peter Principal good spot. Though I hope down where

520
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Speaker 1: he should. We can only hope that. We can only

521
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: hope right the idea of what Russell Wilson was doing,

522
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: they were having these Tuesday meetings at he had all

523
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Speaker 1: the players attending. Okay, that part makes sense, but then

524
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: he started just like showing plays of like when he

525
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: was playing well, and they were like, what's going on here?

526
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: You're just like showing us like, hey, I used to

527
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: be good and well. There was also for what it's within,

528
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: there was also there was a lot of people on

529
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: record saying he worked hard. Clearly he was plugged in,

530
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessarily that he was like aloof and detached.

531
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: It was just it wasn't working. They did also have

532
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Speaker 1: the he had his office, which was on the second level.

533
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Like we talk about shadowy league figures on the show

534
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: a lot and a lot of the disconnect is just

535
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: about office layout sometimes where you know, we would be

536
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Speaker 1: down in the news room with everybody else down there,

537
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: and then you had these people making decisions that we

538
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: never even really saw the fact that the quarterback's office

539
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Speaker 1: was where all the other the way was putting the

540
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: article and was put well. Like usually when the players

541
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Speaker 1: are up on the floor where Russell wilson office was, uh,

542
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Speaker 1: you're usually like being cut where like your career is

543
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: taking a terrible turn. He was up there with those people,

544
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: and then his entire wall was filled with play designs

545
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: and also motivational scrawl, which totally checks out. We also

546
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: had a staff up there. He had three people that

547
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Speaker 1: he brought along that he essentially made them and Sean

548
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: Payton said all that they got the whole thing that

549
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: keep exciting. He wanted Sean Payton as the replacement in Seattle.

550
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: And so you kind there's the you know, the that's

551
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: almost the good spin on all this, right, or the

552
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: joke out there that he subconsciously tanked last year to

553
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: get Sean Payton into Denver. But the first thing Peyton

554
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: said when they had kind of the meet and greet

555
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: with him was like, wait, so Russell Wilson has got

556
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Speaker 1: his own coach, He's got all this extra stuff adorning

557
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: him on the day to day. Will he will any

558
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: of that be allowed? And Sean Payne was like, absolutely not,

559
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: we don't do that, Like he'll be coached by my staff.

560
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: He hired a new publicist, and none of it would

561
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Speaker 1: matter if he could, you know, play the guitar as

562
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Dan would. That's the thing is, he couldn't play the guitar.

563
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: And it was like this unmasked situation where yes, Hackett

564
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: got run over a little bit and that's not what

565
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: you needed. But I don't know if he had been

566
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Speaker 1: a great coach whether it would matter that I was

567
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: gonna say. And this isn't really a defending hackeck because

568
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: he played it wrong ultimately. But the whole idea was

569
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Wilson was getting this fresh start, and he was always

570
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: he always struggled with the power dynamic and being used.

571
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: He always thought he could be used maybe more aggressively

572
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: as a passer and as a leader of the offense.

573
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: And now he was getting this chance and Hackett went

574
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: all in on the quarterback. You could hear his voice

575
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: and that press conference like, I'm okay with this kind

576
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: of being a co CEO situation where it's me and

577
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Russ because I know he's a stud. And then when

578
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: he couldn't play in Denver, that was catastrophic for everyone

579
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: involved and nobody. I know, Greg, you you were on

580
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: record that you saw him as maybe in decline. Nobody

581
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: saw him doing what he did in year one the

582
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: league because I think now we've just accepted how this

583
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: all happened, and you just adjust and get used to it.

584
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: But it is one of the crazier stories we've ever seen.

585
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: Eight o'clock to light widely presumed. First QB off the board,

586
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Bryce Young he will not throw at the combine, which

587
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: starts later this week. Ohio states C J. Stroud and

588
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: Florida's Anthony Richardson. Will the Lions cut ties with the

589
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: veteran Michael Brockers Adam to the top one oh one?

590
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: Or do you n he didn't make it? He gone?

591
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: Jack's Jags resigned Roy Robertson, Harris and Sam Hurd. Remember

592
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Sam Hurd. Sam Hurd is out of prison after a

593
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: ten year bit. Sam Hurd was a major trafficker of cocayana,

594
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: but also was a special teams player for the Cowboys.

595
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: One of the crazy sports stories in recent memories in

596
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Speaker 1: that order. I remember covering this for PFT and it

597
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: just was wild because it was like you used to

598
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: hearing little off field stories and then you found out that, oh,

599
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: being a special teamer was just a little side hustle

600
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: as he was moving at least like when he got

601
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: caught by federal agents five to ten kilos at about

602
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: twenty five per week though, per week. So that's that's

603
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar operation. Booger Sugar, that's a ton of

604
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Speaker 1: blow bro. I just looked at Dan's face after uttering

605
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: that phrase. I just wanted to say, booger sugar. But

606
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I hope he I hope he's learned from his transgressions.

607
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, he served ten to fifteen years. It just

608
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: was like a sort of fascinating NFL story back in

609
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: the day that I feel like it was forgotten. Yeah,

610
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: they should. They could have made it. They would have

611
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: made like a Netflix movie about that, if that was

612
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: a thing at the time. Never generated more than three

613
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: hundred fourteen yards in a season, but he did generate

614
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: um other transactions from what we understand, perhaps some addictions.

615
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: We got moved a lot of product. All right, that's

616
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. We'll take a break and

617
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: we will hit the top one oh one. Welcome back

618
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: every year. At this time, Greg Rosental sits down and

619
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: looks at all of the available free agents, both the

620
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: guys that are out there right now and the guys

621
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: that will be out there effectively. I don't know what

622
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: he's in March fifteenth or thereabouts started the new league.

623
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Here they are his top one on one free agents.

624
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Why is it one on one? Remind the audience, guys

625
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: just settled on that as just a little little something extra,

626
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: little little land yap for you, symmetrical your basic SI

627
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: it's one hundred. We're gonna give you lil something next job. Right.

628
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: It shows that you're just grinding a little bit harder.

629
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: And we'll here, we did ninety nine and no one

630
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: like that didn't grind is hard. That showed the work

631
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: wasn't being done, but now it is. And we'll get

632
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: to who number one on one is, because that's part

633
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: of the fun. You always want to have a bit

634
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: of a name brand there and you do again this year. Um.

635
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into this and Mark and I

636
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: will share things that we agree with, we will share

637
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: disagreements with you, Greggy. UM, but I guess a good

638
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: way to start here is and first of all, and

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Speaker 1: this isn't Greg's set up blurb, just so everyone knows

640
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: each when we talk about their listed age, it's where

641
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: they'll be week one, and you see that on the

642
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: website where you can find at NFL dot com slash

643
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: one one. And the ranking will be updated as players

644
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: are released and become unrestricted free agents, so this will change,

645
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: but this is where it is right now. What did

646
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: you kind of big make sure thoughts, Greggy before we

647
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: dive into this. This list compared to recent years, is

648
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: in a stronger class, weaker class, anything else that kind

649
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: of stood out to you as you did the section.

650
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a bad it's a bad

651
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: class that the drop off around twenty five was even

652
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: greater than normal that year. There's always plenty of players.

653
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: It's like a one year contract league, so it's not

654
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: hard getting to one hundred, but I thought there were

655
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: fewer above average starters available than ever, and especially pass

656
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: rusher wide receiver, you just couldn't. You can't find anyone,

657
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: there's no one available. The NFL is showing you what

658
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: they value in who they won't even let get to

659
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: free agency. Pass rushers, wide receivers, offensive linemen are not

660
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: getting to free agency, especially tackles. Do you think teams

661
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: have gotten better about with the contract structuring in the

662
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: cap of not letting these guys get to this point

663
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to get to this list? And it's easier. I think

664
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: it challenges like the better team, the better if you're

665
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: if you're one of these, Remember the Dolphins teams have

666
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: old they would throw a ton of money at a

667
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: bunch of players that we're just like shaking our heads,

668
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: like this is sort of for savvier teams to dig

669
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: through this list and find the guys that are the gems. Yeah,

670
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: now you find like the one year, nine million dollar

671
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: contracts like James Bradberry was for the Eagles last year,

672
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: and like, those are the nice deals that they slipped

673
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: through the cracks. But it's not a lot of great

674
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: value overall. It's the whole thing I would slap on

675
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: the entire exercise is buyer beware and just like you're saying,

676
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: there's a reason a lot of these guys got to

677
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: free agency, why they were allowed out the door. And

678
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: in many cases, these are guys that are closer to

679
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: thirty in many cases than their prime seasons. And the

680
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: wide receiver group, I think is a good a very

681
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: good example. And there aren't a lot of good wide

682
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: receivers out there. But like, if you're a team builder,

683
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: now are you gonna go pay for a twenty eight

684
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: year old, twenty nine year old wide receiver and give

685
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: him good money when A there's a chance that he's

686
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: not the guy that you think he's going to be

687
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: And B we're seeing increasingly that you can go get

688
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the draft that could impact your

689
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: offense immediately and be cost effective at that That was

690
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: a And there's one wide receiver that really got on

691
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: my nerves that you had him so high. But well,

692
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to it. I think I have an idea.

693
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: I think it was, why why do we have to

694
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: want to let's sorry, why is O'Dell fifteen on your list?

695
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: How is that happening? So position scarcity matters. Quarterbacks are higher,

696
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers are higher. Pass rushers are higher than they

697
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: probably would be because I think they're worth more and

698
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: unlike the rest of the receiver's available Jacoby Myers, Jiujuicimith Schuster,

699
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: DJ Chark, eventually Michael Thomas OBJ. I think has a

700
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: potential to be a bigger difference maker than those guys.

701
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: So you get him on a one or two year deal,

702
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I will see how much he costs. I don't think

703
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: that's that crazy high you do fifteen I mean struggled

704
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: with him versus Jacoby Myers. So I think it's a

705
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: really good player. You could put drop him into any

706
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: offense and he's gonna help you. He's a good route runner.

707
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: But would you rather have him or Obj? I mean

708
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take either of him. I mean, thank Myers

709
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: is fine. Very. I mean it has to be a very.

710
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: We don't need this music justin very ominous. Yes, No,

711
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: like I would. I'd be okay with Jakobe Meyers on

712
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: a short term deal. But everything you're hearing about Odell,

713
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: for instance, is that he's looking for a multi year

714
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: deal and he wants security and he wants a true home.

715
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: And it's like, am I going to roll the dice?

716
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: And a guy I don't even know the last time

717
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: he had a one thousand yard season. I know, you

718
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: look good in the playoffs, but then he'd even play

719
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: last year, and I thought his whole, like a free

720
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: agency tour that he went on late last season was

721
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: a bit of a la Ravil mcnifico on its own, right.

722
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: I just I don't need that guy around when I

723
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: can just get a younger player in the draft. Yank,

724
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like he's the kind of guy where it's not

725
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: like any team should come after him, and you should

726
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: have these self awareness to know that he doesn't really

727
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: fit who we are right now, but you are months

728
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: more removed from the injury. If he's healthy, someone liked

729
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: the Bills that was sort of in the airs courting

730
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: someone like Odell Beckham. I could see that differently than

731
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: if like the Titans went and tried I mean not

732
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: amy that at you, Graver, but just like a team

733
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: that's like in rebuild, no, losing a ton of guys,

734
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: do you build that team around Odell? No, He's like

735
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: he's a little cherry on top. Maybe I'm very easily swayed.

736
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, I could just move him down, But fifteen

737
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: just seems so. I know there's a position scarcity, but

738
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean like I think it's in twenty twenty five,

739
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: and like where would O'Dell fit in there? Like, I

740
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: think it's more of a name. He would not drop

741
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: below thirty in any in any scenario for me, whether

742
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: you would put him below Myers, Smith Schuster, who are contributors,

743
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: I could go either way. This is why I need

744
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: West pushing back West. And I did this list, of

745
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: course for for years and years. I'm curious where where

746
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: he would have had Odell he was always a huge fan.

747
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: But I do think some of these guys, like big

748
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: time veterans who've had a really high level of production

749
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: and they're coming off injuries, those are actually the guys

750
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: that end up becoming good values. Why was James Bradberry

751
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: on the market and no one wanted him? I understand

752
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: the Giants trade him, cut him late in the offseason,

753
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: but he still was like a very high level player

754
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: had shown it at certain points, and so those guys

755
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: get a little extra For me, I think OBJ could matter. Yeah,

756
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Odell had I mean a thousand yards nearly on the

757
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: nose and eighteen and nineteen, but that's averaging like sixty

758
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: yards a game. His last big time year where he

759
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: was a guy that mattered was twenty sixteen during the

760
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: regular season, and it is fair. He was very good

761
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: for the rams down, the stretching in the plast before

762
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: he blews acl interesting guy, he will get a job.

763
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I just thought he was a little high where what's what?

764
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: How about you? Mark? While we are on receivers, like

765
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: last year, everyone mocked the Jags for going huge on

766
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk and Za Jones, Like, oh my god, he

767
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: paid Kirk's seventeen million dollars a year. I think that's

768
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: like what Jacoby Myers is gonna get. Oh my god,

769
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: he paid Zaid Jones seven to eight million dollars a years.

770
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: Like year, receivers teams need like four receivers each and

771
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: those guys ended up being good and the Jacks weren't

772
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: getting the benefit of the doubt. Coming off what was

773
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: a clown car season now feels a lot different. Mark

774
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: something that's to me, Well, first one, I think Jakobe Myers,

775
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: if I'm the Patriot, it's just keep him, like, find

776
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: a way to resine him, because I don't know who

777
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: else that they who whe else they're going on that position.

778
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: I always struggle with like the placement of Derek car

779
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: But I want to tell you one guy because I

780
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: think it's a good it's a good safety class, better

781
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: than cornerback. But like Chauncey Gardner, Johnson at number seven

782
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: is probably where he's not landing on a lot of

783
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: other people's lists. I know you like him, but I

784
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: like him a lot too, And I think he's the

785
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of guy. When I talk about this free agent

786
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: class in general, it's like, do you swing for the

787
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 1: fences for someone who might not give you the money

788
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: you give? But this guy I think changes literally like

789
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: see changes the attitude of a defense. And I thought

790
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: he did that for Philadelphia, was awesome with the Eagles

791
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: when he was healthy, And if the right team adds him,

792
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that you look back in

793
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: January be like that was an absolutely key ingredient to

794
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: our defensive building. Safety is getting no love, but just

795
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: feels like every team could use a guy like that

796
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: that can play slack corner, that can play safety, that

797
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: can hit. He got fine for that hit he made

798
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. They didn't even penalize him. Remember

799
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: that that monster hit on the last drive of the game.

800
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: So many safeties are availed about Jordan Poyer. I think

801
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: sounds like he kind of wants out of Buffalo. He's

802
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: talking about the state tax and that it's too cold,

803
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: and Jesse want to play in Miami, right, I mean

804
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: he's been there on Jesse Bates is out there, Von Bell,

805
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, Jimmy Warts. So you can find safeties and

806
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: that might depress some of their values. But I appreciate

807
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: that Dan asked you to come after me with something

808
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: you didn't like, and you didn't even do that. Well,

809
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I know I said that Derek Derek cart number six,

810
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. I have an issue with Derek Carr with

811
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: teams label. Loom is like he's going to take us

812
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: to the next level. He's gonna keep you adequate. See,

813
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: this is what happens when when we're handing out you know,

814
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: co host titles like Lollipops. You could just disregard my setup.

815
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm just a co host. You know, you'd like to

816
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: be really bothered. You want to and we're pushing against you,

817
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: and then no, I just I would like to hear though, Mark,

818
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: what what is something that you disagreed with I kind

819
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: of don't think that I like. I don't like where

820
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is. I just don't like him in number six.

821
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: And I think the problem is that he's a quarterback,

822
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: so he's gonna give you more than a safety or

823
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: a cornerback. And it's not a great like market in

824
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: general for these free agents. But I the whole landing

825
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: spot of Derek Carr is the thing of the offseason

826
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: that I struggle with the way he's going to be

827
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: marketed to us until real, real games. But we don't

828
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: have to do with that. He's asking for about thirty

829
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: five million, which sounds right to me. That's about the

830
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: level I think Car would get it. And I struggled

831
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: both him and Daniel Jones. They're five and six. I

832
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: couldn't decide who do you put higher? Daniel Jones a

833
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: Car and I have to admit they were. They were

834
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: both around fourteen fifteen initially, and then I started going

835
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: through it and I'm like, I'm really gonna have him

836
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: lower than Mike McGlinchey, who's like a good starting tackle

837
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: but not like an amazing one. These aren't great names.

838
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Deron Payne, who had a big season for the Washington Commanders,

839
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: but ultimately he's like their third best defensive lineman, a

840
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: good player. They're close enough to the level at their

841
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: position that Derek Carr is at quarterback that you got

842
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: to move them up. To me. If you put him

843
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: on the Jets, they're just a better team. I think

844
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: above average or even average starting quarterbacks are just worth

845
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: the premium. I don't, yeah, I don't understand how you

846
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: could have him out of the top ten. I mean

847
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: if you look at this exercise and in years past,

848
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: and you look at the raw numbers, and I know

849
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean everything. And there are reasons why Derek

850
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: Carr makes you scratch your head with some of the

851
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, mistakes he makes and the fact that the

852
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Raiders have never really had a big run. But that's

853
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: not just on him. They've never had a half decent

854
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: defense when he was there. And you look at his production,

855
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: his raw production, if through the seasons is excellent, especially

856
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: for a guy that's still thirty one years old. He's

857
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty two in week one, absolutely like you

858
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: have Gino at two. Let me just say the top ten.

859
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll go top ten here. Let's let's give a little context,

860
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: even though you should check it out on NFL dot com.

861
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Lamar one obvious, Gino two, Jason Hargrave, Javon Hargrave, the

862
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: defensive attack for the Eagles three, Orlando Down tackle Chiefs. Four.

863
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: You have Jones five, Daniel Jones, you have Car six,

864
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: you have Gardner Johnson seven, James Bradberry eight, Jesse Bates nine,

865
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: and then say Quon ten. Like Car for what he's

866
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: proven and his durability and his ability to produce, He's

867
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: so far ahead of all the other quarterbacks to me,

868
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: including Geno Smith, that I would have him at two personally,

869
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: and I would. I know Gino has coming off a

870
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: great year, but I would have had Gino. Maybe I would.

871
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: I would flip him probably. I'd probably have Gino behind

872
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and Car too. H. I don't agree, but

873
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: I but I also think that Derek Carr has been

874
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: a lightning rod for debate for his entire career because

875
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: you can frame his production from certain angles. Because every

876
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: time you tweet about Derek Carr, raiders fans come out,

877
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: oh the comeback drives and said it's like but then

878
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: from another angle, it's like He's just Derek Carr, and

879
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see how he's going to be more

880
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: than that. He's adequate, right. It's also not a great

881
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: list for quarterbacks, so him being second on the list

882
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: doesn't do a lot for me. I think Gino's ceiling

883
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: is higher ceiling being kind of where he was last year,

884
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: but I think he can get better. Maybe it's a

885
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: type of quarterback I like. I think he really did

886
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: learn a lot because I think he is similar to

887
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Eli and Philip Rivers to me in that he can

888
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: play a style that some years is gonna have a

889
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: lot of turnovers. But I think he can do everything.

890
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: He can see the field so well, he can make

891
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: next level throws. Derek Cart to me is like a

892
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: little more mechanical, so Daniel Jones, but they're all in

893
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: the same ballpark. Jimmy g is the next one down

894
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: at quarterback, and that is one of the defining traits

895
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: of this free agents in class. There's way more quarterbacks.

896
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: Those three top ones, Daniel Jones, Gino, and Lamar aren't.

897
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be free agents. They're gonna

898
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: get tagged and maybe in Lamar's keys traded, but there

899
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: really will be free agents, So Jimmy G's gonna be

900
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: a free agent. He's down to twenty ye Garoppolo twenty nine,

901
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: and I think that's good. I think that that's one

902
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: of my takeaways when I looked at this with these

903
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: teams that are looking for a quarterback, and there are

904
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: a few where it's very obvious that they need QB

905
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: help and they want to go get a veteran. If

906
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you don't end up with Aaron Rodgers and if you

907
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: don't get Derek Carr and Lamar Jackson doesn't head your

908
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: way and you're settling for Jimmy G. I think that's

909
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: bad news. I think Jimmy G is a guy who

910
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: is always hurt, and I don't think he'll ever produce

911
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: at the level he's produced with Kyle Shanahan with that team.

912
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: So I think the team that ends up getting him

913
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: is going to sign up thinking we might get that

914
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: great looking or very good version that we've seen flashed

915
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, but we'll probably end

916
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: up getting is a less productive but still injury prone dude.

917
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: That's who I don't want the Jets to end up with.

918
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: And I think other teams that are in the market

919
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: for veteran quarterback feel the same way. So I like

920
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: where he is on the list here. It'll be telling

921
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: if they don't really go after considering their institutional knowledge

922
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: that they've had over the years. I know Lafleur's not there,

923
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: but Jacobeer sat at forty four. It was hard to

924
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: rank these guys. Teddy's down at sixty three. Still put

925
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: him in. That does feel is that? I mean, you,

926
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: I know who we've got when we go to one

927
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: oh one. I don't have a problem with being far

928
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: ahead of that guy. But Teddy up where he's done.

929
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: We're like talking. We're talking about durability. His durability hurt

930
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: the Dolphins a lot this past season, and his on

931
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: field performance is a bee. I'd tell you these quarterbacks highly.

932
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: It's one reason I don't think it'd be crazy for

933
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: the Bears to like consider, you know, drafting a quarterback

934
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: to upgrade or have both and then see what happens.

935
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's at eighty three. I just I just feel

936
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: like those guys are ultimately more valuable than the players

937
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: around them, you know, if you have to do it

938
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: in context of like Teddy Bridgewater or Kaiser White, like,

939
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: do you want you're a good enough who's sixty starting

940
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker, or do you want like a really

941
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: high level backup quarterback, which is what I remember. You

942
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: still rather have the backup quarter do you? Ustell Us

943
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: craft the uh the top one hundred lists for the

944
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: summertime filling stuff, and like I would put eight quarterbacks

945
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't value into these guys, so

946
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from. But like I guess

947
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: it's like if you're looking to fill certain positions quarter

948
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: an average quarterback, overtaking like a star offensive guard or tackle.

949
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: I think that's where it's a tough debate. The thing

950
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: there's no stars, like where there are really stars on

951
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: this list. It's not a star driven list. It's it's

952
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: role players, guys who will help you out and hopefully

953
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: can start for you. Javon Hargrave, though, is an example

954
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: by the way of a guy who was a free agent.

955
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: We say buy or be aware. That contract he signed

956
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: with the Eagles last time around looks incredible. I don't

957
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: think he was in our top twenty. He signed three

958
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: for forty five and he was one of the best

959
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: players in the league. So it can't happen. Um, just

960
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: cycling back to Teddy, I like, there's little butter knife

961
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: in going out with the stats here with Teddy in

962
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: your blurb, Teddy two gloves had career highs and yards

963
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: for attempt eight point six and touchdown percentage five point

964
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: one on just seventy nine pass attens for Miami with

965
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: both of his starts cut short by injury. That the

966
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: last part of the sent This is the most important

967
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: part of it. He can't stay healthy either. Well, he

968
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: did give me Andy Dalton, who's twenty some odd spots lower.

969
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: He did start twenty nine He started every game. Uh No,

970
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: he started twenty nine games the two previous seasons, and

971
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: the reasons he didn't start the other games was he

972
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: was benched. Right, Well, that's not a huge selling point,

973
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying he's coming. He doesn't have a

974
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: long history of being injured. At least the last three years.

975
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: He's been pretty hell, you know with the ten thing.

976
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: And I know you're riding high after the Geno victory,

977
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: but I even went and looked up like, I think

978
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: he's a good quarter When we talked about like his

979
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Carolina year and how the Panthers should have just kept him.

980
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: Like his last ten starts with Carolina or nine touchdowns

981
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: and ten starts they went one and nine in the starts.

982
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: He passer rating was blow league score scouting. I think

983
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: he watched him. He had his shortcomings, for sure, but

984
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: he was a guy who was moving the football. He

985
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: was the only person who ever moved to football in

986
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: Matt Rule's offense. Okay, you know it's necessarily season was

987
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: not was no treat lost every game he started down

988
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: the stretch and he didn't score at Why are we

989
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: talking Teddy that. I'm just saying, you know, you have

990
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: him so high and it did get on my radar?

991
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: What else? What else for you? Mark? I would ask

992
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: one question though about the whole this, Would you ever

993
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: flip the draft and free agency? I would love to

994
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: because we're talking about like like what if you make

995
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: if you write, I think it would hurt veterans obviously,

996
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: because a lot of these guys would not be needs,

997
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: but you could fill in all these big spots, especially

998
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: on quarterback well right, but the Union wouldn't want it,

999
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: But it just seems like it would clear up a

1000
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: lot of the weirdness around free agency. And the deals

1001
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: that don't make sense at this point, because it's like

1002
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: my issue with these quarterbacks is if you go get

1003
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: a Jimmy g like you're selling that and then maybe

1004
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: you don't do that in the draft, you don't go

1005
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: trade up for the right guy in the draft or something,

1006
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: and you're stuck in middle tier mezzanine level. I think

1007
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: it'd be a better better for the league. The NBA

1008
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: has their draft first, It just makes more sense. I

1009
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: don't think it would actually hurt the players necessarily because

1010
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: I think it would create like ultra needs. It just

1011
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: doesn't make logical sense to me. Maybe it would hurt

1012
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: the players. I don't really know. But like these running backs,

1013
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: for instance, there's such good running backs available, but I

1014
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: do think like depending on the class that's out there

1015
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: in the draft, like that'll diminished the spending because people

1016
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: feel like we can fill those holes. I have a

1017
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: good value at running back. Yeah, there's a lot of them,

1018
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: and I think maybe he's a little low, maybe I

1019
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: have him a little higher. But I can't really quibble

1020
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: because running backs, obviously they have a different value in

1021
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: the open market because of their position. But Miles Sanders

1022
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: is a fifty six for you. Yeah, and I was

1023
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: thinking about one team in particular, Like everybody's been connecting

1024
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: the Bills. They got to add some some more talent,

1025
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: you know. Oh, maybe they'll get se Quon, Oh maybe

1026
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: they'll get Derrick Henry. How about Miles Sanders to a

1027
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: team like the Bills, And he's coming off a season

1028
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: where he was kind of back to himself. He had

1029
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: a lost twenty twenty one, and he had nearly fourteen

1030
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: hundred total yards this past season. He was a very

1031
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: big contributor to one of the best offenses in the league.

1032
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders at twenty six years old in Week one,

1033
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: give him to me, especially if the price is right right,

1034
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: his question will be like, is he a difference maker?

1035
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: He put thirteen hundred yards up in his rookie year,

1036
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: he did it last season, but he was in the

1037
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: best situation ever. And is he much different than a

1038
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: Damien Harris. Yeah, let's singletary who I like? These are

1039
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: all lower on the list. David Montgomery. Montgomery outside your

1040
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: top one hundred, I think that I'd have a gripe

1041
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: with that. To me, he's kind of just a guy,

1042
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: but he does what's happening down in that eighties and nineties.

1043
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: I just think he fits in that world. I had

1044
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: so many running backs there too, most Jamal Williams is

1045
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: there with Shad Penny, who was hurt lest year. There's

1046
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: just so many guys available to But to me, there's

1047
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: three difference makers. I think running backs have been under

1048
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: rated on some level. Uh And I think sae Quon

1049
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: and Josh Jacobs and Pollard to a lesser degree, will

1050
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see Pollard I might have had

1051
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: above sa Quon, and I certainly would have had above

1052
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs. Raiders fans aren't like that, but he's coming

1053
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: off of a really serious broken leg and ankle injury.

1054
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: But those three guys, to me, are difference makers. You

1055
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: can't tell me they're worth less than like a slot

1056
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: receiver or Roy Robertson Harris just got three for thirty.

1057
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: I just can't buy it that they're worth less than

1058
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: Roy Robertson Harry going back to the first name, like,

1059
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't be on board with Josh Jacobs

1060
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: being behind O'Dell Beckham on this list. Jacobs, I think

1061
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: is had an excellent season, had a lot of touches,

1062
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: But I think he's somebody. He's still just twenty five

1063
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: years old. He's a guy that I would That's the

1064
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: type of deal I would do in three agency guys

1065
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: that are in their mid twenties at running back. That's

1066
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. You have sa Quan at ten,

1067
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: He's obviously your highest running back. I'm kind of fascinated.

1068
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: But to see what kind of deal sa Quon gets

1069
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: um if he doesn't come back with the Giants in

1070
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: and I know, Pollard, who you have? What do you

1071
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: have twenty three? How much of the leg injury effect

1072
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: in his rank? King? Would he be significantly Higher'd be

1073
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. Okay, that makes sense to me

1074
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: as long as the rehab goes right. I would be

1075
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: stunned that the Cowboys didn't bring them back and didn't

1076
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: just ask Zeke to take a massive haircut as ze

1077
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: could use air. I mean, also, like, let's move on

1078
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: from Zeke and nine. But Tony Pollard, I think you

1079
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: could These guys are all franchise tag clear cut tag candidates.

1080
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: I think for each of those running backs, that's true.

1081
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: Se Quon might not get the tag just because they

1082
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: have to use it for Daniel Jones, right, Josh Jacobs

1083
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: would be interesting. I mean they didn't he was another guy.

1084
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: They didn't give the fifth year option like that. That

1085
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: came back to haunt the Giants. With Daniel Jones, the

1086
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: Raiders were sitting out there with no quarterback. Right now,

1087
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: here's what I'd be a little worried about with Jacobs.

1088
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: Though three ninety three touches last year by far the

1089
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: most of his career. He's been pretty durable as a pro.

1090
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: But did the Raiders get his best year? You know

1091
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: that is easily leading the whole thing in a lot

1092
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: of ways. With these free angels. Let's take a break

1093
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: and then we'll do something fun. All right, we are

1094
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: back justin Graver the grave digger. What's up, buddy? Hey,

1095
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: how's it going? Just give your finger above that button

1096
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: the whole show. I don't care what else you're doing. UM,

1097
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: let's do something here. Let's let's spin the wheel of destiny.

1098
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: UM with the player. We're gonna talk about we got

1099
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: the one on one, the top one on one here, UM,

1100
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: eliminate the guys we've already talked about. Spin the wheel

1101
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: and wherever it lands, we're gonna have a conversation about

1102
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: that player. Hit it all right, here we go. God,

1103
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: I hope it's someone somewhat interesting, but you can always

1104
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: like to spin off to a side conversation that's fair

1105
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: to the fun. We got number ninety eight Larry Ogan Jobi.

1106
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: That's great, go ahead, Greggy. So he's a guy though

1107
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: that everyone gets excited because he makes those couple of

1108
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: slash plays every year. But then you see like the

1109
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: Browns kind of didn't really want him back and the

1110
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: Bengals I think we're happy. I mean, the Bengals were

1111
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: happy with him, but not as happy as they were

1112
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: with b J. Hill. And like he's one of those

1113
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: guys when you keep coming back to free agency. To me,

1114
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a red flag sign. That

1115
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: huge deal with the Bears that fell through because of

1116
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: the physical spin it again, nice little uh compent. I

1117
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: thought we were going to just like have some Steelers

1118
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: like defense stock. I'm sorry, forty Ben Powers. I like

1119
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: the getting the random names because offensive guard aged twenty six. Okay,

1120
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: so this week one this gets to um, why you

1121
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: know when you peep behind the curtain, sometimes the one

1122
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: on one's a little dicey. Where am I really coming

1123
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: from grading all these guards. Of course I talked to

1124
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: some people. I look at PFF and you try to

1125
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: like put them, But like, how do I grade and

1126
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: put Ben Powers, for instance, versus Jacoby Brissette or Brandon

1127
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: Graham and these players. I could get you suggestion you

1128
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: didn't ask me before tape dog Just do the work,

1129
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: grind it out, hours and hours and weeks and weeks

1130
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: of dogging. Even then it's like, what exactly am I

1131
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: looking for? Totally like you, like I do talk to

1132
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: people who know and trust people that know more ultimately,

1133
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: But I struggled with these guards. For instance, Powers was

1134
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: fighting for a training camp spot at this time a

1135
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: year ago or going into the season, was not even

1136
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: a locked in guard. Then ended up having a season

1137
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: that PFF one crazy for the Raven said he was

1138
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: their best offensive lineman. He has positioned versatility, He kind

1139
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: of came out of Noor and so I actually put him,

1140
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: I think, first among all the guards. But it's like him,

1141
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: it's Nate Davis, your guy in Tennessee who I was

1142
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: pumping you for information throughout the year. It's a year

1143
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: long process. But these guys who are like slightly above

1144
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: average guards, But you really want to like spend a

1145
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: lot of money to me, like, I'd rather spend my

1146
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: money at other positions. Get an offensive line coach, get

1147
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: with that. But I think if you're like, let's say

1148
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: you're the Rams and you don't have a lot of

1149
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: draft picks and you have to fix that line, like

1150
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: someone like Ben Powers becomes the guy that twelve articles

1151
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: are written about a week in the summer. If he

1152
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: becomes a figure, those guys pay off that much. Though,

1153
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: I feel like if you can just have a good

1154
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: coaching staff and you develop your own guys, That's that's

1155
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: why I have him low as like the best guard available. Yeah,

1156
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: and some would say, you know, the wheel segment of

1157
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: this conversation is not going well, But that was the

1158
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: number one guard in the market, So you tell me,

1159
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: was it not a bad place? So how would you

1160
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: Nate Davis, Isaac Solomalo, Dalton Reisner, Ben Powers, And let's

1161
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: throw on Ethan Pocheck because you know, really more of

1162
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: a sixteen twenty four and the order that you just saidabetically, Yeah,

1163
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: that a scattered them through the list. No one's gonna

1164
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 1: notice the guards. Ralph just simply off about guard change

1165
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: in your life. I want multiple more spins. All right,

1166
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: spin it again. This needs to be something someone that

1167
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: everyone knows. Yeah why, I don't know. Just this is

1168
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: the time for Ben Powers to get his airtime. He's great.

1169
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: Number seventy Damian Harris, all right, he did touch on

1170
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: Damian though didn't way well barely. Though Damien was on

1171
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: your fantasy team though, Dad, he was once upon a time.

1172
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: He's a good I think he's better, but he kind

1173
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: of fell out of favor, maybe a favor with Belichick,

1174
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 1: but he certainly Remondre Stevenson kind of became the guy there.

1175
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: But Harris, I think is a good one two punch

1176
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: type dude. I don't know if I want him leading

1177
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: my field. I think he's an amazing free agent pick up.

1178
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: Like I'd actually rather have him than Miles Sanders maybe

1179
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: now that I think, how about how about those guys

1180
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: as a tandem that perfect like just as a pure

1181
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: runner explosiveness making him as he's one of the best

1182
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: pure runners I think the Patriots have ever had. But

1183
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: he's been hurt in a little limited in passing game.

1184
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just do a little, uh little wiggle here,

1185
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: a little audible. I'm gonna talk about the guy ahead

1186
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: and below, Damien Harris, Fletcher Cox. How about that? Fletcher

1187
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: Cox will be thirty two, was a major part of

1188
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: what was until Super Bowl fifty seven a dominant defensive

1189
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: line for the Eagles. Brandy Graham is also in the

1190
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: mix here. These pass rushers, Greg, They're not gonna get

1191
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: big deals, but they'll they should get those one maybe

1192
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: two year deals. Is a rotational type guy. Yeah. I've

1193
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: had Cox almost off the list because he was at

1194
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: first and then I looked in at the end of

1195
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: the year he was really playing well. Graham was is

1196
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: gonna be in the top forty? Is Graham on the list?

1197
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: We've had these debates with guys who are avoided or

1198
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: not because technically saying Graham is at some point he

1199
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: will be there. Though he will he is there at

1200
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: forty five, there's different variations. And then we have at

1201
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: number seventy one, Alan Lazard. Interesting Aaron Rodgers. As you wrote, Greg,

1202
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: he was big last season offseason, before the season started out.

1203
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: This is the dude, he's my number one receiver. Um,

1204
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: what kind of market would he have with the Packers

1205
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: want to bring that guy back? He said he was

1206
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: Scaron Rodgers or Jordan l It was gonna be bougie

1207
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: about where he where he went. He's had a great experience,

1208
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: great experience in Green Bay's gonna go to some half

1209
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: baked operation. Like I kind of qualified as like every

1210
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: team needs three or four receivers. How many that are

1211
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: available you can put into one of those rotations and

1212
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good player for you. Lazard was

1213
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of my cutoff. Yeah, I like Darius Slayton a lot,

1214
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: and in the fifties, I like Dju Like they can

1215
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: be in that rotation. After that, then you're kind of guessing.

1216
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: There's Mac Collins, There's Jarvis Landry if he can stay healthy,

1217
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: Nelson Agilar, bunch of guys, Sterling Shepard. I'm waiting healthy,

1218
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: just a bunch of guys. I want to spend the

1219
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: wheel again. I don't care what Dan says, let's go.

1220
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I didn't say we shouldn't spend the wheel good. I said,

1221
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: let's get a let's get a name that matters all.

1222
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: They're human beings, see that. I'm just gonna spin the

1223
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: wheel one hundred and fifty times. What are we doing?

1224
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: Mike has to talk about that. I think Mike Gasecki,

1225
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: who was you know, talked about last summer, is like, oh,

1226
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit into the Mike McDaniel offense. Like Mike Asecki,

1227
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: there are a couple interesting tight ends in general in

1228
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: this whole free agent crop, and I think he in

1229
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: the right offense, is a difference maker. I'd like him,

1230
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know why people say he's uh Mikasecki.

1231
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think who would say that? Stop?

1232
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: I think he said it. Well, well, some people thought

1233
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: that when he wasn't producing. But yeah, maybe he just

1234
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: needs to wait beyond Is he your second tight end

1235
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: after Schultz? H Ingram right above him, So there are

1236
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: three good tight end. Schultz last year was very productive

1237
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: once he was back from injury with Dak Prescott, like,

1238
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: I think they kind of have to keep him, and

1239
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: then Evan Ingram had a nice season. I think they

1240
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: will franchise tag him. But Gasecki is a good example

1241
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: of one of my things is people just make these

1242
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: rankings and they just talk about the previous year and

1243
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: they don't look at the whole. But when they were

1244
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: just using him as a slot receiver, he's a great

1245
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: tight end. Slot receiver, which to me is a very

1246
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: useful trait. You know who could use him. It's your

1247
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: New York Jets because they have a lot of tight ends.

1248
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: We have so many, but they don't have one that

1249
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: matters to me that like is a plus starter. They're

1250
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: they're fine, Tyler Conklin. They improved greatly from like one

1251
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: of the worst groups in the league to like now

1252
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: we're okay. Uh And maybe they're a team that should

1253
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: draft someone with But they have a Samah. I mean,

1254
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: I think they don't have a quarterback. More the issue

1255
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: than this, to me, I think they would be they

1256
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: have a perfectly services would be an instant. It could

1257
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: run like three. How many of those guys are making

1258
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: big player? I think, as Conklin was, Zama is not

1259
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: a pass catcher. You know, he's a blocking guy. How

1260
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: many yards did he had? Two hundred yards? Yeah, they

1261
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: were using I don't know if they I don't know

1262
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: if he's got a future of the team. I know

1263
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: he probably didn't sign up for the role he ended

1264
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: up having. You know, I like him in England. By

1265
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: the way, I think you have Ingram one spot ahead

1266
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: of gaseki Um and I think the Jaguars will be

1267
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: crazy to let him get away, because yeah, that feels

1268
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: like a thing where if he ever got to the

1269
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: open market, um, and you had an offense that could

1270
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: use him the right way. AKA, don't ask him to

1271
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: be a you know, a blocking type tenant, Let him

1272
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: be a playmaker. I think he's an ascending guy that's

1273
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: gotten out of the giants uh mud and found his

1274
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: way with Jacksonville Wells. One of the types of guys

1275
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: that I actually you can find value in free agency.

1276
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: It's possible. They signed him last year for one year,

1277
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: nine million dollars. I mean, that was a nice deal.

1278
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: Now they've just got to tag him for a similar amount.

1279
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: He was number fifty on my list a year ago,

1280
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at this list and uh, you know,

1281
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: I underrated him, And then I'm also seeing Hassan Reddick

1282
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: wasn't even in the top. It happens, It happens, It happens.

1283
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: Who all right, who in this list? Greg, are you

1284
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: most worried about becoming the Hassan redd of twenty twenty three,

1285
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: because there will be somebody, so anybody that you really

1286
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: you had him lower and you're like, oh, my way

1287
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: off on this one. I gotta roll forward. I gotta

1288
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: I got the movers come in. I got a bunch

1289
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: of bob. My wife's got to do the plumbing. There

1290
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: was a lot of issues this weekend that we who

1291
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: do you worry about that can greatly exceed in terms

1292
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: of value based on where you have them? Win is

1293
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: at fifty one. He's a Patriot's first round pick that

1294
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: at times episode a very high level of play. Those

1295
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: are the types of players that worry me. But he's

1296
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: coming off some injuries and was definitely out of favor

1297
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. But like he's shown it, maybe in

1298
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: the right system he could do it. He's won. Did

1299
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: I underrate some of these pass rushers? I don't know.

1300
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: Sampson Ebacom was pretty good last year. What if you

1301
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: get like a late career or a latter career like

1302
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: latent vandersh explosion with the right team like vanderish Port.

1303
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams seventeen touchdowns this year and he's at seventy eight.

1304
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Our friend, he was one of those where I was

1305
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: like doing the third pass and I was like, shoot,

1306
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't even have Jamal Williams on this ranking at all.

1307
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta after he came on our show,

1308
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: he's gotta come on. Let's zoom him up to seventy eight.

1309
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: Julian loves it. Interesting safety. You kind of came out

1310
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: of nowhere for the Giants last year had a nice

1311
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: lot of safety. Robert Woods made the top one hundred.

1312
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: I was shot an old guy there, Bobby Trees. How

1313
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: about this? Is it when you you've been on the

1314
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, you get preferential treat all right,

1315
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: that's only makes sense. Um. Or if we think you're

1316
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: coming on the air on the NFL podcast and then

1317
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: a safety shows up instead, roll out the carpet for you. UM.

1318
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: Is it the way to judge whether or not you

1319
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: UM got it right? Quote unquote. Is it how the

1320
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: guy plays in the upcoming season? Or is it when

1321
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: let's say, I'll throw a name out there. If if

1322
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: Justin Houston ends up getting a nice deal for instantly

1323
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: he's too old, let me go with Tyler Rapp ends

1324
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: up getting a much bigger deal than you thought he would.

1325
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Does that mean it's already the your list was off.

1326
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: It's what teams think. I think if you, I mean,

1327
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to do it, you'd have to

1328
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: like look a year from now and compare it to

1329
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: other lists who I was higher on versus them, and

1330
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: how those players did. Like Zach Allen was one as

1331
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: I did the list Cardinals, and no one, uh you know,

1332
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: benefited more from Hard Knocks than Zach Allen. I know one.

1333
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: No one watched Hard Knocks. He's at fourteen, Yeah, he's

1334
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: at fourteen. He kept a sneaking up the list higher

1335
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: and higher, higher and higher, and I was like, that's

1336
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: who I would want and free. What was it like,

1337
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: Zach Allen? Million people that didn't see it? What did

1338
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Zack Allen do on Hard Knocks that he just seemed

1339
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: like like a good guy to have around. He was like,

1340
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be the next JJ Watt and

1341
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: he kept and he played really well. He was one

1342
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: of their few players and he had a monster see vance.

1343
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: Joseph also to me was highly impressive. I think if

1344
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: you were an owner and he watched them, You're just like,

1345
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: that's a freaking dude that I would want in front

1346
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: of my player. He did the rare thing where he

1347
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: went back to the team where he failed his head coach.

1348
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: You don't write, you don't see that. I kind of

1349
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: dig that was for that. This was Mark's U take.

1350
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: You got to you gotta be open to go back

1351
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: to remember this take of yours last week when we

1352
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: mentioned the Evans Joseph news and he said that was

1353
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: Mark's long standing take and didn't remember. You just said

1354
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: it again. It's multiple times where it's like you go

1355
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: when you at the Peter Principal thing, you fail as

1356
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: the head coach, but there's that opening you go back

1357
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: to a place, come back home. I was impressed with

1358
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: his leadership. But Zach Allen, let's go Zach Allen, Draymont Jones,

1359
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: let's go. Those are guys I'm pretty high. I like, uh,

1360
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: since I'm looking at it, Lavante David at nineteen thirty

1361
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: three years old, but I could see him having even

1362
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: though it didn't work. Again, it didn't work out with

1363
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: the Rams and Bobby Wagner. If you're a team that's

1364
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: looking for some a veteran that could come in and

1365
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: deliver some high level play for a year or two,

1366
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: you do a lot worse than him. Right. That's the

1367
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: thing is like people are always looking for the young

1368
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: guys that can spend huge money on. But you Bobby

1369
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: Wagner was a great deal last year. Ultimately, like he

1370
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: performed for more than he was worth. Right, he's not

1371
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: on the team anymore. Very straight greg Number twenty four

1372
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport. I feel like that's a tough guy to know,

1373
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: like to spend a lot of money on because he

1374
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: seems like he could be awesome, but then he's also

1375
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: unavailable half the time. He would have been in the

1376
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: top ten if it was a year ago. I've always

1377
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: been a huge fan of Davenport. He's a kind of player.

1378
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: I like he's like a poor man's Jadevian Clowney. He's

1379
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: just so strong and he creates pressure and he's just

1380
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: like doesn't need to be subtle because he just makes

1381
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: other guys look. But he never stays healthy. And the

1382
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: Saints were very glad to see you finally took Clowney

1383
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: off this list because now he's there one. What is this?

1384
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: I can't I can't show. I can't shake my fists

1385
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: anymore about this one season season last year, down on

1386
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: the team at the end of well, that's why I

1387
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: put him down at forty one. I think that's lower

1388
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: that only the duck that he quit on the team.

1389
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: Let's check some other list I have drop. Now it's

1390
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: time for me to check him because I don't want

1391
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: them get let's war it is PFF clowney. Let's just

1392
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: find him. What is this? What does okay? I'm just saying, like,

1393
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: am I crazy? He's always been like a PFF darling

1394
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: that guy. I think Also, it's a there's a lack

1395
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: of edge rushers, and maybe you're just taking a position

1396
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: and moving it up a little bit because it's it's

1397
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: rough out there. If you're looking for an edge rusher,

1398
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: you're looking to the drift or trades. There's gotta be

1399
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: some good names being cut that I'll make this list

1400
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: look a little sexier. You do have Unique and Gawquay

1401
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: at thirty three. That's a pretty good edge rusher. Good

1402
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: point forgot about him. It's been the wheel again. Oh good.

1403
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: As we wrapped this up, we're bringing it in for

1404
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: a landing. Caleb McGarry. Let's get Caleb McGarry in there,

1405
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: number thirty. Oh well, I just brought him up. Wait,

1406
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: who is it? I landed on Unique and Gaway? Who

1407
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: I just that's Bridget. It's a little worrisome. He's like

1408
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: gonna be on his fifth team into four years, but

1409
01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: he does produce fifty three. Marcus Peters, Oh, Marcus Peters.

1410
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: Is that a nice career to put him higher? Or

1411
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see how long can we stay

1412
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: silent and Dan just talk about thirty Okay. Well, he's

1413
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: back from the ACL and he's a starting quarter Okay,

1414
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a starting good spot. And actually the

1415
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: fact that he stepped in last year, it was like

1416
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: immediately back to being solid enough. He just seems like

1417
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: one of those guys so you can kind of like,

1418
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, they age really well until they don't

1419
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: and then they're done. But he's just like a player,

1420
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying it right, but he's kind

1421
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: of like a dog. He knows how to play. You

1422
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: can put him on any team and he can take

1423
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: up snaps for you. There's actually some decent cornerbacks available

1424
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: above him. Jonathan Jones I mentioned Jamal Dean is a

1425
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: good starter who's in my top twenty for the Bucks.

1426
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: He's a solid player. Bradberry and now, without further ado,

1427
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: we discuss as as he every year. He likes to

1428
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: have a name brand Greggy at one oh one and

1429
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: this year is no different. Drum roll please, The number

1430
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: one oh one ranked player and Greg's NFL free agents

1431
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: countdown is Baker Mayfield. I mean it is it even perfect?

1432
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: One on one? He is not accurate, but it is perfect.

1433
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: It's not accurate. I think it's perfect. What what if

1434
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: I told you that there was another quarterback and his

1435
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: last seventeen starts when you measure the two QB's last seventeen,

1436
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,879
Speaker 1: this guy too that this quarterback has more touchdown passes,

1437
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: fewer turnovers, a higher passer rating, more passing yards, a

1438
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: higher completion percentage, fewer sacks, less drama. But you know

1439
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: who I was talking about? Yeah, I don't know. Come on,

1440
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Oh, those are all facts. That's not

1441
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: my opinion. All all that data favors Darnald. I'm I'm

1442
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: a human, absolutely right, And if he just hadn't made

1443
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: that last start of the season, which I happened to watch,

1444
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: I'm a human and sometimes the last sometimes the last

1445
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: thing you saw ways too heavily. I will admit to

1446
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: having that problem. Like Miles Sanders was a kind of

1447
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: a problem for the Eagles in the Super Bowl. A

1448
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: couple bad runs couldn't keep him in bouncing too the outside.

1449
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: That hurt him. Sam Darnald had that great run where

1450
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is everything we ever wanted out

1451
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: of Sam Darnald. He's really better than ever. And then

1452
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 1: he showed up in week eighteen. I think it was

1453
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: against the Saints. I watched that game and he was

1454
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: a total disaster and it was just like, I get

1455
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: dressed this guy, Get dressed him. I think he saved

1456
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: his career though as a like a number two. I

1457
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: don't think you can go in with the starter if

1458
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: you're if you're Sam Darnald, but I think Baker Mayfield too.

1459
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: At mid season, we had a conversation that Baker Mayfield

1460
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: may never play again because of the Baker Mayfield experience

1461
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: on top of the bad play. The Rams thing was

1462
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: kind of a blessing. It was like it was I

1463
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: think saved his career and got him another number two country.

1464
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: The Saints are talking about him as a potential starter,

1465
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: which sounds like did you well, so did you see

1466
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: like Baker's last start of the season, for instance, against

1467
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: the Yeah, Bakers had some ugly My point is not

1468
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to get to go down when I

1469
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: do this five for fifteen for forty three and three

1470
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: turn rivers, and that was after hitting like his last

1471
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: two or three passes. I think he had like here

1472
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: what the Christmas Day start where he was like twenty two.

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01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm talking about yeah Mayfield. Let me just say this

1474
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Speaker 1: that I'm not saying that Sam Donald should be one

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01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: oh one. I'm saying I think I saw your your

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: raw list and you had Donald at one fourteen or so.

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: I think that's where Baker should be as well. I

1478
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: think they're basically the same. Like if you want a

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: guy who's a backup, but if you want a little

1480
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 1: more sizzle on your steak. Well thought about Minshew because

1481
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: he felt like a nice one. That's who I wrote.

1482
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: I haven't written right here, and I was like, you

1483
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna give Minshew some credit. I'm actually

1484
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: gonna just I would rather have beensued than Baker. I

1485
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: got him a little higher up. I got him for

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01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: this exercise. Baker's the perfect one and one to go

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: to Sean Kipson. There's nothing I mean, I don't have

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01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: an issue with it. I just was pointing out that statistically,

1489
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: and it's not just staring at box scores or whatever it's.

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01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, Baker would give you some moments. I take

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 1: Mayfield's highs over Darnold ties, but I take neither of

1492
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: them as I think Baker could be like a fitzpat

1493
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: Patrick type guy where he can come in for three

1494
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: or four games and give you some juice. I mean,

1495
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: Saints are talking about making him the starter. P Saints

1496
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: have no the Saints are out of out of options.

1497
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: In general, there's interest in Baker Mayfield. Like I think

1498
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: I had to do it. I think I had to

1499
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: do it just twenty five free agents of twenty twenty two,

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: like before the season started, and you know, Baker was

1501
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: in the top five. So it wasn't that long ago

1502
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: that I had a completely different opinion, not blind. I

1503
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 1: think it's changed. There's something about Baker that people gravitate towards,

1504
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: and it's when he has those games people get excited

1505
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: about him. I think I think he might be the

1506
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: best one on one ever in the sense that like

1507
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: well GINO one to number two, Well, I mean no,

1508
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: I just mean in juice and just like yeah, I

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: like I like it. I like the idea of having

1510
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: someone in there that spurs debate. I think he's limited. Yeah,

1511
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: I think, and maybe you think I overrate Gino and

1512
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: I definitely have a certain type. I like the quarterbacks

1513
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: that are really quarterbacking out there, and I feel like

1514
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: that's where Baker. I don't know if he's ever gonna

1515
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: get there in terms of like making full feel reads

1516
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: and like, but he can give you us, give us

1517
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: some juice. But Gino, like I, I disagreed with you

1518
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: that I think Derek Carr is better value. But I

1519
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: have right around top five as well. It's six or that.

1520
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: Actually know what i'd have Gino over Daniel Jones. I

1521
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you, so I would I would

1522
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: have him at maybe five on this list. But otherwise, Greg,

1523
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: you've done great work. Mark. Do you have any final thoughts?

1524
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: I am bowled over by the work Greg is done.

1525
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: Been excellent. Yes, it continues to be. You know what's

1526
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't bowl me over is that one x drow

1527
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: week that we uh work now because of the eighteenth

1528
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: Yes season, you feel one no one season really start.

1529
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's there's no cruise for me anymore. That

1530
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: it's ruined my that little spot that's a tough that

1531
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: is got to get in there. It's a bad beat,

1532
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: but you're also extremely fortunate, incredibly, we are very lucky

1533
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: to do what we do. Yeah, maybe I think we

1534
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're still talking about the eighteenth week

1535
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: of the season. Maybe we need a table that combo.

1536
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: It's not changing, it's gonna get longer. So we're we're

1537
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: based on the only people left still talking about it.

1538
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed. Uh, this is continuing, all right, justin

1539
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts before we say goodbye? Wow,

1540
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: Robert Woods on the list, Come on, it's personal for you.

1541
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: Taylor the one not on the list, Yeah, that was

1542
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a t said like he doesn't

1543
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: know if he can like function in his everyday life

1544
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: and he's not sure if he ever wants to play football.

1545
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 1: That's a gots to go off the list situation. He

1546
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: was on it until then. So he's also got a

1547
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,520
Speaker 1: hit podcast of his own by the way, so oh yeah,

1548
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: that's where we got the quotes from. And then he

1549
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like, I don't know if I'm ever sorry.

1550
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: Did you dig into all the other players that that

1551
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: podcasts on this list to see anywhere their mental Patrick

1552
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: Peterson for example, he's a show let's get on the list,

1553
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: which is another year of removed from that surgery, which

1554
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: is a hard one to recover from. And he had

1555
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: a couple of moments where it's like, I think you

1556
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: could he passed my like can you throw him into

1557
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: a good team as your third or fourth receiver and

1558
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna get you six hundred yards and help your team.

1559
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: I think he could see the Rams bringing him back. Yeah,

1560
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: Cooper Couple is locker room leader, making it, making noise

1561
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: about it. Bobby Trees also he took a picture with

1562
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: my son. That's that's nice that colors. You're ranking No.

1563
01:18:55,320 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: Di Teller one is thirty one. He's three time Pro bowler. Yeah,

1564
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: but he hasn't literally been able to stay on the field.

1565
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: And he he was saying, uh, that doesn't hurt you

1566
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: know Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater has played football in the

1567
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: last few years, and he wasn't saying that he might

1568
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: not be able to continue to play football. Taylor Lawan

1569
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: two out of the last three years played five games

1570
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: or less and it's coming up. It might not play.

1571
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: It sounded like he was going to retire. That was

1572
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: part of the I agree with that. It did sound

1573
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: like it sounded like he doesn't want to play football anymore.

1574
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: He's got a thriving podcast up. This podcast, it's come

1575
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: up multiple times. Is it Busting with the Boys? Good?

1576
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: It's he's He's drive the Pat McAfee. Uh, I've yet

1577
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: to catch an app. Will Compton is also like a

1578
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: major Him and Taylor Lawan did this together. And Will

1579
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,919
Speaker 1: always gets offended because everyone just says it's Taylor's podcast,

1580
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: and like Will does a lot of the legwork. But

1581
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: tough sitch. Yeah, I'm sure he's thrilled or discussing that, right, right,

1582
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: I M it happens on all podcast as, even to

1583
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: all three co hosts. Right, just not good. It bothers me.

1584
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: But why is it so important? I'll talk to my

1585
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: age and about host. Is you understand Greg and I

1586
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: did not engineer that. We just discovered that. I don't

1587
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: want I feel like hosts. You are the host of

1588
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: this podcast. But when you think of hosts in the

1589
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: traditional sense, that's sort of like an old media thing

1590
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: where it's like the host doesn't have their own opinions necessarily,

1591
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: they're not They're just like setting people up and this

1592
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: and that and that's not you either, So you want

1593
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: to be put I think sane. I think I am

1594
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: a new age host. I think innovator age. It's not

1595
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't. Um, that's These are all terms that people

1596
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: have thrown out. Um, where did we start? How long

1597
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: is this podcast? What is the appropriate term for what

1598
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg do on the show? If it's not

1599
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: co question, I would ask that, Um, can you give

1600
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: me one show, like a day to think about it?

1601
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: And then I'll yeah, I'll throw out some analyst. But

1602
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: that feels it's too important for that side. No, I

1603
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: think yeah, I think what's what's crucial is you need

1604
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: to make a line of demarcation. Justin that shows that

1605
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 1: we are lesser than and it makes Dan feel better. Yeah,

1606
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: justin throwing out sidekicks that would work. I think they

1607
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: would like that. What if I run an analysis on

1608
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: all the minutes that each of you have spent talking

1609
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: on this show? I don't want to find out. I

1610
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: don't think that would help anyone. Um, all right, that's it.

1611
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Check it out, Greggy, excellent work. Top one

1612
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: on one. We'll be back on Wednesday and we're gonna

1613
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: start digging into the coaches, GM's press conferences, the news.

1614
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: Maybe Lamar Jackson gets traded. That would be nice. A

1615
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: lot coming up. He the call,