1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving from Clay Travis buck Sexton and everyone here 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: at the EiV Network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and buck Sexton. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Encourage all of 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: you as we roll into the final weekend before Halloween. 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: I went to a high school football game last night. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: I was driving home, Buck, and I was talking to 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: my kids. I can't believe, and I'm starting to sound 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: like an old man that Halloween is already here. 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Go ahead and get hooked 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: up early and search out my name, Clay Travis buck Sexton. 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: You can also go grab the fabulous work being done 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: by Tutor Dixon and by Carol Markowitz. You are going 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: to love their work as well. It's unique, it's original. 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: It's in the Clay and Buck podcast network. Okay, Buck, 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about Biden's hypocrisy on Charlottesville all 25 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: throughout this week. Basically since October seventh has happened. We've 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: seen an increasing number of people on the left who 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: are stridently anti Israel, and we talked about that at 28 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: the open of the show today. The challenge that is 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: out there for Joe Biden in terms of the far 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: left in his community, and how there's a big article 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: about it in the Times about how they're now rejecting 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and the pro Israel policies of many traditional 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: i'll say Democrats. But there's another story about Charlottesville that 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about and deserves a 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: decent amount of attention because of the scary precedent that 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: is being set here. So I am, admittedly Buck a 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: huge Civil War history nerd. I've said on this show before, 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: I went in high school to Civil War sleepaway camp 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: at Gettysburg College. 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 2: I believe it's called the Civil War Institute. 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: They study different aspects of the Civil War during the 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: summer bring in all these great speakers who've written books 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: about the Civil War. If you are a Civil War 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: nerd like I have been for much of my life, 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: I basically live almost on the battlefield of Franklin in Tennessee. 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: For those of you who are familiar with Hood's campaign 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty four, Again this is super nerding out. 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: So I pay a lot of attention to the way 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: that we talk about the Civil War and what is 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: and is not permissible to even discuss surrounding the Civil War, 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: much less memorialized. So in Charlottesville, there was a big 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: iconic statue that was I think a historical piece of 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: art that was of Robert E. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: Lee. 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: That was one of the foundational elements of the Charlottesville protest. 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: Should that statue stay or go in the wake of 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: the George Floyd Blm protest, And that was really the 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: full crim upon which everything Charlottesville spun. And my position 59 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: on all of this has been add more, if you 60 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: don't like a statue, then tearing down a statue or 61 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: tearing down a memorial, to me is exactly the wrong 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: thing to do. It's what the Taliban does, It's what 63 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the the isis infidels would have done. When you don't 64 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: like something and you tear it down and you cease 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: to allow it to exist, you are sending a message 66 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: about what you believe is acceptable in terms of historical, 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: in my opinion, discourse. So this video went viral yesterday. 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: Buck. 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Not only did they tear down this statue, which is 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: a monument in many ways to the artistic creation of 71 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the person and who sculpted it, but they also then 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: videoed it being thrown into a furnace and completely obliterated. 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: The fact they took down the statue, I think was wrong. 74 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: The fact that they then melted the statue is I 75 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: think doubly wrong. The fact that they videoed it Buck 76 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: being melted is I think triply wrong, and was designed 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: to send a message about what is and what is 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: not acceptable to even discuss in American society today. 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: This was a major project. 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: This group, Swords into Plowshares it's called, had been fighting 81 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: to do this. 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: There were numerous. 83 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 4: Court you know, court battles, lawsuits over swords into plowshares, 84 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 4: and they had been planning to do this for a 85 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: long time. 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: And what you can see is that there is a. 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 4: Gleefulness in the because they have this video and there's 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: you can see still frames of it, a gleefulness and 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: really the dissection and desecration of this statue, like they 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 4: cut off the head and show you the severed head 91 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: of the statue of Robert E. Lee before they melt 92 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: it down into just sort of bronze goo. 93 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: Yes, you know what we've generally been told. 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 4: And I'm reminded of the more recent controversy in New 95 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: York City where they have a statue of Teddy Roosevelt 96 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: that was in front of the Museum of Natural History. 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: Which is, by the way, an iconic statue that they 98 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: turned what was the movie they made Night at the 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Museum or whatever, where like Teddy Roosevelt all everything kind 100 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: of comes to life and everything else, Like this is 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: a very well known statue, regardless of what you think 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: of its auspices. 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: And it's gone. 104 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: And this is another moment where you realize that the 105 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 4: iconoclastic left here. When it comes to historical artwork or 106 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: pieces of history that they find offensive, it always starts 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: with a discussion of, well, maybe we can move it 108 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: somewhere else. 109 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: It belongs in a museum is one of the things 110 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: that they said at the start. 111 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 4: That's what I'm I mean, that's what I'm going for, right, 112 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 4: Like maybe we could just display it differently, so it's 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: not in a public park, it's in a museum, and 114 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: in a museum you can have the context. But the 115 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: truth is they want to do what they did here, 116 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: which is the ritualized melting down and erasure of this 117 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: piece of art, because they don't, you know, because they 118 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: despise or they find it offensive. 119 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: That Robert E. 120 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 4: Lee would have a statue anywhere because of his role 121 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: as the primary general in the Confederacy. And this is 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 4: where I think there's a lot of things to discuss 123 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: just about this clay. Although it shows people what the 124 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: real end goal is and what they want to do, 125 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: I don't understand how if this is now the new normal, 126 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: or if this is going to be the direction of 127 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: the country, what happens to the founding fathers? I mean, 128 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 4: you really have to ask that question, like what happens 129 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 4: the statues of the founders, many of whom were slave holders. 130 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: No, I mean, this doesn't end. 131 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that Trump got 132 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, even though his his statements surrounding 133 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Charlottesville were horribly mischaracterized, and and and again. 134 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Biden, they knew right, they lied about it. 135 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Biden cited those lies as his justification for 136 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: why he needed to run for president. So to your point, 137 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about New York City, Theodore Roosevelt. Didn't they 138 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: just take Thomas Jefferson out of the New York City 139 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: statuary where the municipal council or somebody like that. 140 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: The council, Yeah, there's a statue of Jefferson, and they 141 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: said this is unacceptable. 142 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: Now and at some point, and you guys are going 143 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: to some of you are going to think I'm crazy. 144 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: Others of you are going to say, you know what, No, 145 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: he's a hundred percent right. At some point, there will 146 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: be again a rising up and a demand, Hey, we 147 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: got to tear down the Washington Monument. He owned slaves. 148 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: We have to destroy the Jefferson memorial. He owned slaves too. 149 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: And let me I write about this in the book 150 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: because I spend a lot of time thinking about this 151 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: as the history nerd, as someone who really legitimately likes 152 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: to geek out reading about the Civil War, because I 153 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: think it is so integral to understanding America is to 154 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: understand what actually happened in the Civil War and who 155 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: the individuals involved were on both north and south. 156 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: And look, I've even done the research. Buck. 157 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: My family is from obviously Tennessee and Kentucky, which by 158 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: and large are states that would have a lot of 159 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: soldiers who fought on both sides. Kentucky in particular, I've 160 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: got Union and Confederate soldiers in my family history. So 161 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I can, you know, kind of look 162 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: at it from both perspectives, because Kentucky was a border 163 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: state in particular, where much of my Travis family is from, 164 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: and people from that family fought on both sides north 165 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: and south, depending on oftentimes what city they were in, 166 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: what county they were in. I mean, the line was 167 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: very tenuous in so many parts of the country about 168 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: which side you fought on. And by the way, people 169 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: don't understand this today because people have, as we've talked 170 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: about on this show, almost no historical literacy. But ninety 171 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of people fought for their state. 172 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: So it's not as if. 173 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: People were making like if you lived in southern Mississippi, 174 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: you weren't sitting around debating what decision you were going 175 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: to make, you went with your state, and if you 176 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: grew up in northern Minnesota, you went with the state 177 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: of Minnesota. It was actually considered to be a stain 178 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: on your soul and that era if you turned your 179 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: back on your state, which was a lot more like 180 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: your country than it was anything else, because a lot 181 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: of people never left the state they were born in 182 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: in those areas. 183 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: The formation of our union was by states that voluntarily 184 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 4: voluntarily became the United States of America. And of course 185 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: the basis for the country was the or in a sense, 186 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: the secession from Great Britain and King George because of tyranny. Right, 187 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 4: So there was a there's a different historical context and 188 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: certainly a different historical thinking. That's not to say that 189 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 4: slavery wasn't obviously front and center in the in the 190 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: debate about all this stuff, but there were people who fought. 191 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I think, what's the stack, Clay, I think 192 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 4: it's three percent of Southerners owned ninety seven percent of 193 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: the of the slaves. 194 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. 195 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean a time about one in fifty Confederate soldiers 196 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: actually owned slaves. I mean, as a way to like 197 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: two percent basically. 198 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 4: And I guess there's there's this question of what is 199 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: now an acceptable depiction of anybody who had any part 200 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 4: of the Confederacy. And the answer is, right now, based 201 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: on the on the trends and the way that the 202 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: left and political correctness are going a Democrat Party and 203 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: some Republicans too, is uh, it does not. It really 204 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: is to be treated the same way that Nazi memorabilia is. 205 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: That's effectively the standard. And again I sit here and 206 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 4: I say, I don't know where this ends, and I 207 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: don't think. Well, rather, I think I know where they 208 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 4: want to take it. I know that it doesn't end 209 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 4: with the Confederacy. 210 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: That's right. 211 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: And one of the things, you know, I mentioned that 212 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I live in Franklin, Tennessee, and I wrote about this 213 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: in American Playbook because I spent a lot of time 214 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: thinking about this. In the wake of all of this 215 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: craziness to tear down monuments and statues and everything else. 216 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: They added buck so we have in downtown Franklin. It 217 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: was a beautiful downtown. Just we're twenty miles south of 218 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: Nashville or so. For people who don't understand the geography, 219 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: there is a Confederate memorial statue, which is not uncommon 220 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: in many different southern small towns. They have a variety 221 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: of the monuments and memorials, and one of them is 222 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: to and I mentioned we actually had a battle here, 223 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: but they have a Confederate soldier standing in the town 224 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: square and there were controversies about that there since eighteen ninety. 225 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: I think, so, I mean this is a relic, I 226 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: would say, historical object. At this point, they added a 227 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: big statue buck of a to honor black soldiers who 228 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: were freed and fought for the North. So I just 229 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: and it's right on the square as well. And I 230 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: think that was uniquely intelligent because what really you're arguing 231 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: when you tear down things is that there isn't there 232 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: isn't an opportunity for greater historical context. And my argument 233 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: is someone who majored in history, is I would always 234 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: want more history instead of less. Instead of arguing about 235 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: what can exist, why don't we create more? And so 236 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: to me, when you're saying, oh, we've got to tear 237 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: down this, I would much rather create a world where 238 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: we're building more historical representation and also where where the 239 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: world in the country and certainly kids in this country 240 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: are more historically literate. I mean, we have I think, Buck, 241 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues we have is we have 242 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: created goldfish generations where they can only recognize and remember 243 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: things that happen in a very short period of time, 244 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: and as a result, you respond emotionally to everything and 245 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: you lack the appropriate context to consider it. One of 246 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the things that's frustrating to me about history right now, 247 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: how often do you see those knuckleheads on MSNBC talking 248 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: about We've talked about this, Buck, Hey, if Trump wins 249 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: this election, American democracy is over and they just totally 250 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: forget everything that's happened before. So I think this is 251 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: the wrong precedent to be. 252 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 4: See, history gives you an incredible context for understanding how 253 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 4: durable this country has actually been. But that doesn't get 254 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 4: viewers and clicks on MSNBC. Trump ending democracy is a 255 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: much better business play for all. Right, Clay, you know 256 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: that I love animals and animal stories, and if people 257 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: go to clay and dot com they can weigh in 258 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: on this one. There is a super viral I mean, 259 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 4: I think at last I saw over ten million views 260 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 4: of just one of the shares of the sharing accounts 261 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: on this of in a zoo in China, Hong zu 262 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: Zuo Han Hong Zoo Zoo that is actually what it 263 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 4: is called the hong Zoo Zoo. Visitors are skyrocketing because 264 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: of a viral video that shows a Malayan sun bear. 265 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: That looks like a guy wearing a bear suit. 266 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 4: And if you see this, I mean it kind of 267 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: looks it kind of looks like when this bear you 268 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: gotta see the videos on a claybuck dot com. 269 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: Clay I were talking about it. 270 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: It looks like a guy named Phil when he finishes 271 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: his shift here, takes off the bear hat and like 272 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 4: smokes a cigarette and it's like, yeah, another day at 273 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: the zoo, you know, like you gotta see this bear. 274 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: I watched it. I thought, what is going on here? 275 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: I think this is a man, could be a woman 276 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: to be fair in a bear suit, all right. I 277 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: just I don't think the bear can stand up like 278 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: this Buck speaking of. 279 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: What's your read by the way, you think man or 280 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: do you think bear? 281 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's probably a bear, but it 282 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: really looks like a dude in a suit. 283 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: Breaking news here we have a farm in West Tennessee. 284 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of bears, and they wiped out like the Davy 285 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Crockett era and beyond wiped out bears pretty much everywhere 286 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: other than East Tennessee. Bears have now reached Nashville and 287 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: they're now infiltrating West Tennessee, which is a big deal 288 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: if you're from where I live and on our farm 289 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: in West Tennessee on the hunting video, you know where 290 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: they can take pictures of all the animals that go 291 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: by bear first time ever in now it's in West 292 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Tennessee where I can remember a bear ever being seen 293 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: on our property. So that's a real bear. I don't 294 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: think it's a Chinese dude pretending. 295 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: To be a bear. 296 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: But I love this video. I watched it. I think 297 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: it's a man in a bear. 298 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: You just have to it looks you look at the 299 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: lower half and there's kind of some you know, some 300 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: rumples of flesh that looks almost like it's a suit, 301 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: and the little legs. 302 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: I mean, the sun Bear. 303 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: Who knew the Sun Bear was gonna go viral over 304 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: the week, I mean, folks, sometime tens of millions of 305 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: views the whole world. 306 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: It started in China. Another whole world is is that 307 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: a guy in a suit. 308 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: The bear looks way too comfortable on two feet. That's 309 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: all I'll say. I watched the bear. I scrutinized the video. 310 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: I think that it is a bear in sorry, a 311 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: man in a bear suit. Welcome back in Clay Travis 312 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. 313 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 314 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: We bring in now my friend and country music superstar 315 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: John Rich and John we've gotten to know each other 316 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: quite a bit over the last few years. Would you 317 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: have ever believed that the country would get as crazy 318 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: as it is right now and we'd be talking about, 319 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, guys winning women's championships and war everywhere, and 320 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: it just feels like chaos has descended across the nation 321 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: and frankly around the world. 322 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: No, I would not have believed if we would actually 323 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: see it to this degree. I did, however, believe there 324 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: were people that intended for these things to happen, but 325 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: for many years they were pretty careful on not allowing 326 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: us to really see their intentions play out in front 327 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: of our faces. You know, because once once it plays 328 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: out where you can see it, there's only nowhere for 329 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: them to hide. So it's pretty it's pretty shocking. To 330 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 3: see what's going on. And I don't know about you, 331 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: but it feels like we are in a momentum pattern 332 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: right now of more and more things, bad things coming 333 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: for this country. It's a very concerning time to be 334 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 3: an American right now. 335 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: John, do you get the science? It's back? And I 336 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: appreciate you being here with us on the show. You 337 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: can get the sense. 338 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: That that creates, so to speak, whether in you know, 339 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: obviously country music, but more broadly just the music industry. 340 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 4: Are people starting to recognize that the shackles they're under 341 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 4: because of wokeness or political correctness or whatever are really 342 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: contrary to the ethos of creativity and really the ethos 343 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 4: of America and freedom, Like, are. 344 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: You seeing it happening more? 345 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 4: Are you talking to people behind the scenes, or is 346 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: it still status quo for the most part? 347 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think the artists, the songwriters, you know, the creators, 348 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: we all know what we're looking at. And yet, I mean, 349 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: the current culture in this country is not conducive to 350 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: free thought or wide open creativity, artistic creativity. It's just 351 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: not the problem is most of your artists that are 352 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: currently on the radio, they all have record deals, the 353 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: record labels are run by, you know, giant corporations that 354 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 3: are heavily leftists, and they know that. And if I 355 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 3: say the wrong thing, I'd do the wrong interview, I 356 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: put out the wrong song. I'm probably done, you know, 357 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: I might lose my record deal, might not get played 358 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: on the radio again. And so it's really hard thing 359 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: to ask those artists to do it anyway, because a 360 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 3: lot of them, this is their American dream. They work 361 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: their asses off to get to that point, to get 362 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: a record deal and be heard and be on country 363 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: radio or pop radio or whatever they're on. And now 364 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 3: they're looking at turning the whole thing upside down over 365 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 3: freedom of speech. For me, I think it came at 366 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: a good point in my career because I don't need 367 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: the music industry anymore. As a matter of fact, I 368 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: look at it like this, if the music industry thought 369 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: well of me, I would not think well of myself. 370 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: It would bother me if they liked me at this point. 371 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: But I do empathize with a lot of these artists guys, 372 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: because what are they supposed to do. Al Dean is 373 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 3: big enough that he's able to come out and say 374 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: what he wants to. You can't cancel Aldan, there's a 375 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: few of us, but not many. 376 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm curious when you're out and about what kind of 377 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: response you get from fans, because there's some people out 378 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: there who say, as you point out, oh man, I 379 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: don't want to really rock the boat. I don't want 380 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: to say exactly what I think. You have come through 381 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: on the other side, and you just say exactly what 382 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: you think. I Actually, my experience, I think people are 383 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: just looking for authenticity and as long as you're being 384 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: honest to yourself, they're fine with that. I'm curious if 385 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: you found that in your experience with your music. 386 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when I travel around the country. You 387 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: know we did. We did close to forty big and 388 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: rich shows this year, so you do meet in Greece 389 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: before all the shows, and you know, you meet everybody 390 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: before the event, and pretty much across the board, people 391 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: will come up to me and shake my hand and say, hey, 392 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: thanks for saying what we would say if we had 393 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 3: the microphone, Like you know, John, you've got you've got 394 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: the microphone, you've got a platform. You're saying exactly how 395 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 3: we feel about this, and thank you keep doing it, 396 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 3: and so that makes you feel great. You know, giving 397 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: up the music industry. They they blackballed me. Well, I 398 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: black balled into you know, I don't care to work 399 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: with him either. And so when that happened though a 400 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: few years ago, I thought, well, that's that's it. No 401 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: more award shows, no more number one songs, that's over with. 402 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 3: I wonder what's going to happen going down the road, 403 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 3: And I can tell you what happened, man, is tens 404 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: of millions of Americans that keep up with what I 405 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: do now have my back. They feel they feel like 406 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: I'm one of them because I am, and that we 407 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: speak the same language. So it's become a much bigger 408 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: conversation for me out there with the fans than just 409 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 3: the music. It's it's very dimensionalized at this point and 410 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: a great feeling for me to have. 411 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: We're speaking to country music superstar John Rich and John 412 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: you know Clays in Nashville, so he's he's closer to 413 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: the world of country music. You know, certainly physically that 414 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: I am as a guy who grew up in New 415 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 4: York City. But it would seem to me that if 416 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: there's any place where pro American values, traditional values, you know, 417 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: freedom to flag, all that would be totally welcome in 418 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: the in that creative space. Specifically in the music industry, 419 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: it would be country music. But you get pressure. You know, 420 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: if you were if talking about like Top forty or 421 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: some of the other genres, I would understand to an 422 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: outsider to me, isn't country music like the safe space 423 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: for loving America or is there really pressure on artists 424 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 4: not to be able to express themselves that way. 425 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 3: No, it's not a safe space. Listen, man, you're talking 426 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: about Sony Universal, Warner Brothers. Between those three companies, they 427 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 3: own eighty percent of all the record labels. So you're 428 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: not dealing with some good old boy in Nashville, some 429 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: good old country girl in Nashville. You're dealing with elite, 430 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: mega corporate you know, oligarchs basically of these companies, and 431 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 3: so that when they put the downward pressure and they 432 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: tell their A and R departments, their publicists, everybody, Hey, 433 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: this is how we do it. This is how we 434 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: don't do it. You know what Clay was saying earlier 435 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: that of course that kills artistic expression. You listen, Charlie Daniels, 436 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, all of our favorites, if they 437 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: were writing those songs today in this current climate, you 438 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: would never hear any of it. It would never be 439 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: allowed to get to the public. Seers. 440 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: We're talking to John Rich. I know, in addition to 441 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: country music, you are a monster college football fan, and 442 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: we did some of people have watched this. We were 443 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: on Big Noon together. I know you're a Longhorn fan 444 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: for all the Texas listeners out there, but your show 445 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: was on College Game Day on ESPN. For your song 446 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: was on College Game Day, which a very popular pregame 447 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: show for a long time, and then they took your 448 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: version off. I'm curious why you think that happened, and 449 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: a positive story here. Your song is going to be 450 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: on Big Noon, which is going to air on Fox 451 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: Sports tomorrow. Kind of take people through the background story 452 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: of how that happened both at ESPN and now at Fox. 453 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: Well, so coming to your city was the theme for 454 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 3: College Game Day on ESPN in for fifteen sixteen seasons 455 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: something like that. I mean, basically people had grown up 456 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: listening to that. That was a Saturday morning tradition for 457 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: a lot of people. When you hear it coming to 458 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 3: your city, you know it's time for college football. Well, 459 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, ESPN decided, Hey, we still want to 460 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 3: use the song, we just don't want you guys to 461 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: be the one singing it anymore. 462 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that was, by the way, a political 463 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: decision by them or what do you attribute it to? 464 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: They had somebody else record the song, right right? 465 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 3: I mean it would be me speculating about that, But 466 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: why else would you do it? Maybe there's another reason. 467 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure that having a guy, especially like me that's 468 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: as outspoken as I am as a conservative, there was 469 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: bound to been somebody in the ranks of ESPN going, 470 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 3: you know what, we don't really want to look at 471 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: his face every Saturday morning. Now, that was never told 472 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: to me. I can't prove that, but that's kin. That's 473 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: what my assumption is. But it is only an assumption, 474 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 3: so I don't really know. In any case, we weren't 475 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: real happy that we don't get to sing our own 476 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 3: song anymore. I mean, we weren't really happy about that. 477 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: So this opportunity comes along from Fox Sports and they said, hey, 478 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 3: we love Big and Rich and Cowboy Troy. You guys 479 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 3: want to do something with us, Like, of course, we 480 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: want to do something. Let's go. We love college football, 481 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: so we actually took Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy, 482 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: which is the biggest song we've ever had. We took 483 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 3: that music and wrote an entire special piece of music 484 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: for Big Noon Kickoff. It's going to air tomorrow, man, 485 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: and we are absolutely pumped to have graduated to a 486 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 3: major network like that and have our voices heard again. 487 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: That's awesome. It's gonna be fun. It'll be on tomorrow 488 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: from ten to noon Eastern all over the country. They'll 489 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: be playing your new song on the Fox Sports pregame show. 490 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 3: Yeah it's rocking, dude. I'm so happy and thank you 491 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: for you were instrumental man and kind of connecting those wires. 492 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: And it's been a blast working with everybody, easy people, 493 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: down the Earth people. And Yeah, tomorrow, my two sons 494 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: cast and coach the we're getting up extra early, man. 495 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: I know it's Saturday, but we're gonna watch. We got 496 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: to see you on there, man, We got to check 497 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: it out, so we'll have it cranked at our house. 498 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: By the way, you also played for Donald Trump at 499 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: his most recent fundraiser. 500 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: I saw you there. 501 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: You came out and played a song for people who 502 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: don't know Donald Trump. Why are you such a big 503 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: Trump supporter, he what has he been like for you? 504 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 3: Because the entire system hates him, and the entire system 505 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: is corrupt, and so you are known by your enemies. 506 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: And that's what I think, and I think that's what 507 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 3: most Americans think. Is Donald Trump a perfect human being? 508 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 2: No? 509 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: Is he the perfect role model for everybody? Absolutely not. 510 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: He's a very flawed individual. But the entire system despises 511 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Republicans hate him, Democrats hate him, Tech hates them, 512 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 3: the media hates them, business hates them, the banks hate him. 513 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: All the systems in our country that keep their boot 514 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: heel on the neck of the American people hate Donald Trump. 515 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 3: And for me, that's all I need to know that 516 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: he's the right guy to step back forward and try 517 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: to put this thing back into check. Our country is 518 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: literally catching on fire and it's just getting started. Who's 519 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 3: the only one holding the fire extinguisher? Who's the only 520 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 3: one that can reverse this mess? Name somebody other than 521 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: Donald Trump that you think would have a chance at 522 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: least of reversing the destruction we see going on in 523 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: this country. I personally can't name anybody else, and so 524 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: that's why I support him. 525 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: John Rich country music superstar, Love you man, see us soon. 526 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: Thank you guys, take care. 527 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: Thank you our VIP mailbag. If you want to be 528 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 4: a part of it, go to claanbuck dot com sign 529 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: up become a VIIP. We have some great stuff here 530 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: and coming into the mailbox. Let me see you get 531 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 4: right too, is dear. 532 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: Clayan Buck from Will. 533 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 4: I was disappointed to hear you both overlook Joe Peshy's 534 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: best role. Uh oh the range is hot. Maybe noteworthy, 535 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 4: oh just noteworthy? Will in Casino and My cousin Vinnie. 536 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 4: There is nothing that can compare with his role as 537 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: Leo gets in the Lethal Weapon franchise, bar none. Looking 538 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 4: forward to Clay's book this weekend. Gonna start it, keep 539 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 4: up the great work and shields high. 540 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: Well, he's got a great book to read. 541 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: Perhaps he also have a great a great movie to 542 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: download after he reads Clay's book, which would be give 543 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 4: a second shot to my cousin Vinnie, because I just 544 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: don't think you can compare Peshi in Lethal Weapon to 545 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 4: his his his dynamic role in My Cousin Vinnie. 546 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I will you know a flag here? I 547 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: said Casino? Now Lethal Weapon? Is it the best cop? Buddy? 548 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: Movie ever made. I have some I have some theories. 549 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Bad Boys might be a 550 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: better cop buddy. Oh my god, ye yeah, I know. 551 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: I just did it. I just did it. I know. 552 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: I know everyone's booing. But it's true. 553 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: You think Martin Lawrence and Will Smith as a cop 554 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: Combo are better than Riggs and Murtaw, than Danny Glover 555 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: and Mel Gibson. 556 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: It's different. 557 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 4: Eras Leith a Weapon is more iconic, and I understand that. 558 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: But if you're talking about which movie holds up more, 559 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: the first Leath a Weapon movie or the first Bad 560 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 4: Boys movie, I know. 561 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: It's a look. 562 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: This is a hot take that not a lot of 563 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: people would co sign, But I'm just throwing it out. 564 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that anybody listening agrees with that opinion. 565 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: This might be the first time you've ever had an 566 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: opinion that you're wrong. A million to a million to one, 567 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: like two million. However, many people are listening at this 568 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: exact moment. Every single one of them is outraged at 569 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: what you just said. 570 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: Claiyas Einstein said, it doesn't matter how many think I'm wrong. 571 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: It only takes one to prove me wrong. 572 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: I think I've already done it. I just by merely 573 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: saying Riggs and Murtaw, I think your argument is dead 574 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: on a do you remember can you name the two 575 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: cops in Bad Bad Boys. 576 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: Like their names? Yeah, Rigs, that's I mean, that's an idea. 577 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: It's Mike Lowry, that's one. Uh, the other guy. It 578 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: is impressive that you remembered one. Thank you. It's been 579 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: a long time since I've seen either. 580 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: I would even argue forty eight hours probably about that. 581 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: That's probably a better better And if you. 582 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: Want to expand it into a trio, I would argue 583 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: that Beverly Hills Cop with that trio, you know, got. 584 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: What's it Billy and and Beverly Hills Cop. 585 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 4: Maybe it's Rosewood and it's Rosewood Foley and the other guy. 586 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Billy Billy is his first name, Billy Hoyle. No, that's 587 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: a white man kid jumping Rosewood. Isn't that his last 588 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: name in the movie? Yeah, it's Rosewood. And then Murta 589 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: is it Murta? 590 00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: No? 591 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: That lead the weapon? No crap, I'm forgetting. 592 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 4: But who's who's the Who's the curmudgeonly the one that 593 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: I feel like I identify the most with from the 594 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 4: first Beverly Hills Cop movie. You don't think go to 595 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 4: the Strip club and he said, he's Richard Nixon, Sergeant Taggart, 596 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 4: Thank you Taggart. Okay, Beverly Hills Cop maybe the best 597 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 4: cop movie of all time and is I think one 598 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 4: of the top ten comedies of all time. So that's 599 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 4: a whole that's a whole different. I don't think of 600 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: that though, as a buddy cop movie, although you could 601 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 4: make that argument to be fair. 602 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: Lethal weapon. 603 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, the franchise is iconic and it kind of started 604 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: that whole era of buddy cop movies. I'm just gonna 605 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 4: say it. I'm just gonna say it, since I'm already 606 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 4: upsetting a lot of people. Big fan of Turner and Hooch, 607 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 4: I think it overlooked, overlooked Tom Hanks movie. 608 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: I mean Tango and Cash is better than Bad Boys. 609 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: Uh you remember Tangoing Cash? 610 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: Take you in Cash? 611 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 4: A little overrated? Just gold throw it out there. It 612 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: doesn't really hold up. I'm just telling you. 613 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't made a Dog and a Detective movie argument, 614 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: and you're taking shots now at Tango and Cash. 615 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: I just said I like Turner and Hootch. 616 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 4: There's also the Jim Belushi version of K nine, which 617 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 4: I saw, but I think the French Mastiff as opposed 618 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: to the German Shepherd added a little jeune Quah on 619 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 4: screen Starsky and Hutch. I never saw it, so I 620 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 4: can't speak to it. That's from our team. I'm sure 621 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 4: we're getting deluged right now. But I don't think there's 622 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 4: a single person listening that agrees with you about bad Boys. 623 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 4: I think that Mel Gibson's body of work is phenomenal 624 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 4: in terms of the movies. Terms of the movies, I 625 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 4: think Brave Heart is an excellent movie. I'm trying, Oh, 626 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 4: is Point Break a buddy cop movie? 627 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: Because that, again, it depends on how many cops you're 628 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: talking about. I would say that Point Break is a 629 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: heist movie, which is different than a buddy cutp movie. 630 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: Right. 631 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: A heist movie is where for everybody out there, there's 632 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: a robbery planned, or there's a robbery attempting to be foiled. 633 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: And it's different than a criminal versus a cop movie, 634 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: which would be like Heat, you know, the iconic criminal 635 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: versus cop. 636 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: It's obviously it's like a dark, almost film noir kind 637 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: of vibe. 638 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: Training Day though, if you think of that as a 639 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: buddy cop movie. Is it as a movie? Probably the 640 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: best of all. 641 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: Training Day is better than Training Day is better than 642 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: we agree on that better than all of the if 643 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: you count it as a buddy cop movie. But again, 644 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: it's not really a buddy I mean, they're not buddies. 645 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to in the event that somebody's like, 646 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna do, I'm finally gonna watch 647 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: Training Day on Saturday. 648 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to. 649 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: Spoil it, even though you've had twenty years to watch it. 650 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: But not really a buddy cop movie. At the beginning. 651 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: It might be it was The Last Boy Scout, which 652 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 4: is so bad that I can't even remember it. There 653 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 4: was a whole in the mid late eighties. They were 654 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 4: churning these things out so fast that even an action 655 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 4: movie junkie like myself couldn't keep up with all of them. 656 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: I've got another one for you that I forgot about. 657 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Chris Tucker and uh and who's the 658 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: Asian martial arts guy, Oh rush Hour, of course, yeah, 659 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: Jackie rush Ower's pretty good. 660 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: That's a funny got movie. 661 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 4: I just want to point out with Clay with his 662 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 4: definitive blah blah blah bucks one hundred million percent wrong. 663 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: Our team looked it up. MovieWeb dot com agrees with me. 664 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: That bad yesterday just say that we can't cite these 665 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: random websites, whether like when we were talking about the 666 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: Seven Deadly or whatever natural wonders. 667 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: You're like, I don't trust that. 668 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: Now MovieWeb dot com is suddenly like an a gust authority. 669 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 4: I'm just going to change the rules of the game 670 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 4: as I need to before we get to break here' 671 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 4: That's how we do things