Speaker 1: M m M. What up.
Speaker 2: Well, back in LA for another episode of All the Smoke,
Speaker 2: my brother Matt in his state.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of visiting hire, but you know
Speaker 1: we've been.
Speaker 3: Doing always welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been doing We've been doing business so long enough.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of home now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But especially episode today, Man, somebody who I admire, somebody
Speaker 2: who I look up to my life has grown to
Speaker 2: really understand him and to really know how to put
Speaker 2: myself in the shoes. A lot of stuff that he
Speaker 2: went through as a youngster during his career, it was
Speaker 2: hard for us to understand because we wasn't in it.
Speaker 2: My own experience is life has has opened me up
Speaker 2: to really admire him and understand him and to really
Speaker 2: want to be somebody that I call a friend and
Speaker 2: a brother. Honored to have you on the show today,
Speaker 2: the one and only Craig Hodges.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, please and blessings to everybody.
Speaker 5: And it's like I said, I appreciate the invite, man
Speaker 5: as you watching y'all from far y'all doing a great
Speaker 5: job and it's something that's definitely vital for the people, man,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's not just about our community, it's
Speaker 5: about people in general and people who care about.
Speaker 1: People appreciate you. So, how's life right now? What's going
Speaker 1: on with you?
Speaker 5: A man keeping it simple, you know, making sure that
Speaker 5: training as many young players as I can, you know,
Speaker 5: and at the same time doing as much mentoring from
Speaker 5: a research and development and as I can.
Speaker 4: You know, that's my passion. It was basketball and history.
Speaker 5: So I continue to do my research and try to
Speaker 5: maintain that student athlete mentality.
Speaker 2: A lot of people throw the word blackballed around, white ball,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, and not really experience
Speaker 2: it or not really understanding that. You are very familiar
Speaker 2: with that. Can you talk about that? And when what?
Speaker 2: And lot peo don't understand what being black ball from
Speaker 2: the league means.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: One of the beautiful part for me and the whole
Speaker 5: experience of it, is that I was blessed to go
Speaker 5: to Long Beach State.
Speaker 4: Text Wanner recruited me.
Speaker 5: He was recruiting to me from Northwestern when I was
Speaker 5: in Chicago playing basketball, and when I got a chance
Speaker 5: to come to Long Beach State, I got a chance
Speaker 5: to study black studies. And my first professor was doctor
Speaker 5: Malina Karinga, the founder of Kwanza, And the first lesson
Speaker 5: that we learned was why is everything that is negative
Speaker 5: has a black connotation to it? Yes to found doctor Kringa.
Speaker 5: So for for me, it was one of those things
Speaker 5: where once again I was blessed to have texts who
Speaker 5: came in and bought me out here. I knew I
Speaker 5: wanted to go out here after watching all the UCLA
Speaker 5: when I was growing up and watching them and being
Speaker 5: in Chicago and low weather and looking out here in
Speaker 5: palm trees and T shirts, That's where I want to go.
Speaker 5: And when Tech's got the job at Long Beach, it
Speaker 5: was a no brainer for me. And then when I
Speaker 5: got here, I found Black studies because I wanted to
Speaker 5: be a political science major. And when I got to
Speaker 5: Long Beach, I had a chance to get Black studies
Speaker 5: at my very first class, and that took me back
Speaker 5: to what I learned in as far as the civil
Speaker 5: rights movement was in Chicago Heights, Illinois and growing up
Speaker 5: under segregation and seeing you know, Jim Crow when I
Speaker 5: was a baby man, I couldn't sit at the lunch
Speaker 5: counter with young white children who were getting their ice creams.
Speaker 5: I had to take my ice cream outside with a
Speaker 5: Milton hold down my arm, you know. But it was
Speaker 5: one of those things that you know, we grew up
Speaker 5: under it, but at the same time we realized that,
Speaker 5: you know, it's something special for you in your life
Speaker 5: if you work hard, if you study hard, and you
Speaker 5: conduct yourself in a manner in which where you came from.
Speaker 5: So our generation, I think about it. You know, every
Speaker 5: time we left house, somebody was telling you be a
Speaker 5: good boy, you know, and that meant something. It meant
Speaker 5: something to the point that you know, as you go
Speaker 5: further in life, you always want to make sure you
Speaker 5: conduct yourself in a way that's you know, conduced it
Speaker 5: to the growth not only of view but also the
Speaker 5: people around you. So when I look at, you know,
Speaker 5: the background and studies that I had at Long Beach State,
Speaker 5: it almost prepared me for what was to come from
Speaker 5: the white balling or the black balling, and you know,
Speaker 5: the historical relevance of it, not just to me, but
Speaker 5: whenever I speak about it, I always want to make
Speaker 5: sure that I include mag Mood in it, and that
Speaker 5: you know, Macmood, I'll do a rope and the path
Speaker 5: that he was on even more so, than myself. You know,
Speaker 5: I feel like I could probably win another three or
Speaker 5: four three point titles and maybe a couple more rings.
Speaker 5: But the path that mcmove was on from a personal
Speaker 5: development and a personal career level where he could have
Speaker 5: went in as far as the amounts of points that
Speaker 5: he could score and score against the best defenders in
Speaker 5: the game and it not be an issue. It was
Speaker 5: almost you look at him and then if you go
Speaker 5: watch him do his drill work, he was doing drill
Speaker 5: work when he was playing. So for me to understand
Speaker 5: the reality of you know, when you stand up for
Speaker 5: a position that is not conducive to the growth of
Speaker 5: white supremacy, racism and understanding the boundaries of it, understanding
Speaker 5: the economic impacts of it, understanding that within the realm
Speaker 5: of where we are, that that's the civilization that we're under,
Speaker 5: you know, and that in that, should I continue to
Speaker 5: want to thrive in that? Or should I want my
Speaker 5: children to have something better? And the only way it
Speaker 5: can get better is if we build it. It's not,
Speaker 5: you know, And that's the cool part of having the
Speaker 5: historical perspective and knowing that when we study African history
Speaker 5: and African origin of civilization. We know that every other
Speaker 5: civilization sprang from that, So we have the right and
Speaker 5: the responsibility to build something right now that's relevant for
Speaker 5: not only our children. And that's the cool part about
Speaker 5: where we are today in history is that it has
Speaker 5: become such a melting pot with the Internet. Is that
Speaker 5: we are the world now, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: And that righteous people of good thought and peace and
Speaker 5: love can conduct themselves together now and it becomes a
Speaker 5: conscious movement that it's almost unstoppable.
Speaker 6: To really kind of understand your story, I want to
Speaker 6: take it back to where it started. Chicago, as you
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier, you know, towards the end of the Gym
Speaker 6: Crow era. What was it like for you growing up
Speaker 6: in that area?
Speaker 5: Man, I tell people I had to have this child
Speaker 5: of anybody that I could, you know, think about because
Speaker 5: even though we were segregated at that time, when in
Speaker 5: Chicago Heights you couldn't go past Houston Street and they
Speaker 5: would always tell us, not knowing as a child growing up,
Speaker 5: when your chance to tell you make sure you back
Speaker 5: on the other side of the hostel before six, you know,
Speaker 5: before it get dark. And we didn't know the reason why,
Speaker 5: but that was a line of demarcation in Chicago Heights
Speaker 5: for us, and that to realize that, okay, everything that
Speaker 5: got over there got over here, and when it comes
Speaker 5: time for us to keep peeped against one another, they
Speaker 5: ain't even close. So it was a matter of us
Speaker 5: realizing that, you know, my aunt who was you know,
Speaker 5: Lord rest of Soul, my god mom as well.
Speaker 4: She was one of the top teachers.
Speaker 5: So her whole class that left Chicago Heights to go
Speaker 5: to Illinois State to learn how to teach, they all
Speaker 5: came back and taught us. So the community that I
Speaker 5: grew up in, I would go to the corner store
Speaker 5: and I would see my math teacher. So it was
Speaker 5: truly a community where everybody knew everybody.
Speaker 4: And when you.
Speaker 5: Think about that period of time and you just talk
Speaker 5: about it, even on a professional level, when you think
Speaker 5: about the Celtics having to go south to go past
Speaker 5: the Jim Crow line and they ain't letting them, you know,
Speaker 5: you can't stand the same hotel and all of that.
Speaker 5: So I was part of that, but as a baby
Speaker 5: and seeing it growing up from the standpoint talking to
Speaker 5: my granddad. He was the first black track captain at
Speaker 5: bloom High School. In Chicago Heights, and he said he
Speaker 5: couldn't play football or baseball because you had to touch
Speaker 5: a white person. So the lines of segregation, the demarcation
Speaker 5: was so tough that a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 5: it as we move away from this thing and we
Speaker 5: think that everything is in a vacuum and that you know,
Speaker 5: people tied its shed blood. I remember nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 5: waking up in the morning, turning on WGN News and
Speaker 5: seeing Fred Hampton and Mark clark apartment as a you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, So they tell us oftentimes the
Speaker 5: memories that we have as children are ones that are
Speaker 5: so hard on you.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I recall and the cool and not cool. But
Speaker 5: the critical point to be made is how the media
Speaker 5: portrayed that in such a way that made sure that
Speaker 5: you saw it as a baby. They didn't try to say, okay,
Speaker 5: like now they say, okay, what you're getting ready to see,
Speaker 5: you can cover up your children's eyes and then it's
Speaker 5: getting ready to come on.
Speaker 4: It wasn't none of that.
Speaker 5: It was like seeing the chief of police walking here
Speaker 5: with all these police and you're seeing bloody mattresses, you
Speaker 5: seeing all of this as a child, and you're saying, man,
Speaker 5: why is it that this is happening to us, and
Speaker 5: not realizing that it's a systematic condition.
Speaker 4: That is something that you don't have to you can
Speaker 4: you don't have to partake in it. You have to
Speaker 4: study it.
Speaker 5: But now when I have, when I become an adult
Speaker 5: and become worthy of a paycheck, and once again that's
Speaker 5: paid to be checked, but being worthy of an income,
Speaker 5: should that income not be put in a maunder that
Speaker 5: can help other people get out of that, because then
Speaker 5: I think that's one of the things that we missed
Speaker 5: when i'm you know, we're talking about that, Jim Correyra.
Speaker 5: But even even the educational process, the u mental part
Speaker 5: of it, like Malcolm said, we've been bamboozled, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and that the brainwashing, the brainwashing and
Speaker 5: the brain mechanisms. So for me, I always think about
Speaker 5: when they say three fists of human being, what parts
Speaker 5: did y'all leave away from me?
Speaker 4: What is that for me?
Speaker 5: When I study it? It's God in tongue. You know
Speaker 5: that you gave me this man Shaquille type man. We
Speaker 5: got all of that, But what are we thinking about?
Speaker 4: What tongue.
Speaker 5: Do we have to think from you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: so in the manifestation of coming through what we came
Speaker 5: through as a people. And that's one thing always, since
Speaker 5: I was eighteen years old and even younger, I think
Speaker 5: that I've always tried to make sure every single day
Speaker 5: I think about those who are less fortunate than me.
Speaker 5: And when I was eighteen nineteen twenty, I thought it
Speaker 5: was a black thing. No, no, it's a people thing.
Speaker 5: Nobody should suffer.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I was watching yesterday doing some research which for what
Speaker 5: we're doing here today, Brothers, I saw Tupac and it
Speaker 5: was a four minute, four minute and fifty five second
Speaker 5: interview that he was doing with MTV and he was
Speaker 5: talking about the billionaire class, and it was so cold.
Speaker 5: What he was saying was if I got all of
Speaker 5: his bread, why do I need all these houses?
Speaker 4: Why can't I help some people?
Speaker 5: And that's the beautiful part where for me, I think
Speaker 5: about my grandmom, who to me is the most saintly
Speaker 5: person that ever walked to earth, and I'm sure all
Speaker 5: of my grandmamas. And that's the part I think that
Speaker 5: we missed in the early part of our movement, that
Speaker 5: we were so man man man black man black, as
Speaker 5: opposed to seeing how much the sisters who birthed us all,
Speaker 5: where are they adding this divinity thing?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 4: Because that's where we are.
Speaker 5: We're in the age of Aquarius now, so a lot
Speaker 5: of this information is coming through sisterhood and we have
Speaker 5: to respect that for what it is, because we had
Speaker 5: our chance, brothers, and we didn't do what we were
Speaker 5: supposed to do with it, even though it's a divine
Speaker 5: time and things. So I think a lot of even
Speaker 5: even to the point of what we do with our wealth,
Speaker 5: how we manifest ourselves.
Speaker 4: You know this what y'all doing, brothers all. Don't y'all
Speaker 4: don't y'all.
Speaker 5: Realize it because y'all solid brothers, and y'all know what
Speaker 5: y'all doing.
Speaker 4: But this is so important, this whole. And you know
Speaker 4: how you.
Speaker 5: See stuff from the outside and you have a so
Speaker 5: I see it from the outside, and I've been checking
Speaker 5: y'a out and then when y'all give them my guy
Speaker 5: sign and say let's do this thing, and then to
Speaker 5: come and see the production factor in it. It's so
Speaker 5: powerful and it's so powerful that this is something I
Speaker 5: want my baby boy to come see this because he
Speaker 5: loves music and all of this type of stuff, and
Speaker 5: that this is what we need because this is what
Speaker 5: we didn't have. And these were the type of programs
Speaker 5: that when we won championships in Chicago, this is what
Speaker 5: I feel we could do that as opposed to saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to Rush Street or I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: do this, and I'm gonna do this. Hey man, what
Speaker 5: would happen if we organized ourselves as a championship unit
Speaker 5: and stayed in the city we was in until we
Speaker 5: go back to training camp. What type of programs like
Speaker 5: this could we build for every city in America? And
Speaker 5: likewise we all retired players. Now, that's one of the
Speaker 5: things that I'm hollering at the retired players about is
Speaker 5: how can we connect ourselves to the players that are
Speaker 5: playing now and we be able to run programs through
Speaker 5: the retired players who are in local places that can
Speaker 5: do things over sustained period of time, as opposed to
Speaker 5: it being me coming in doing the camp and then
Speaker 5: I'm gone, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate what y'all.
Speaker 5: Doing, man, and for me to share whatever information we
Speaker 5: can share right now to this next generation. It's critical
Speaker 5: because if we don't, they coming after whatever little bit
Speaker 5: you got.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be more beneficial, Like you said, if
Speaker 2: the tired players that want to give that education, that
Speaker 2: want to give that game back, can set up some
Speaker 2: ground roots foundation and where they live exactly because there'll
Speaker 2: be more organic, they can spend more time and they
Speaker 2: can get them with the kids to get more out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: That makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 5: Yes, man, And that's that's the part where we have to,
Speaker 5: you know, we have to. One of the things that
Speaker 5: I like is that when we play sport, we know
Speaker 5: how cooperative you have to be to win, you know.
Speaker 5: So when I hear this whole conversation about the goat,
Speaker 5: I say, there's only one goat, and that's Bill Russell
Speaker 5: to me, because he won, he taught people to win.
Speaker 5: And when we put on these shorts in these uniforms
Speaker 5: and go through layups and all of.
Speaker 4: That, we're trying to win.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: So we can talk all of this about an individual's
Speaker 5: stat or whatever. That's cool, but in the long run,
Speaker 5: if you ain't a swimmer or running a sprint, you
Speaker 5: and this as a group and the group, and that's
Speaker 5: part of the civilization. I think about us when we were
Speaker 5: winning championships in Chicago and we're talking about Pip and
Speaker 5: how we became part of Michael and Michael and the Jordanaires,
Speaker 5: and how we were cool with it because we understood
Speaker 5: it as a in the locker room, so we could
Speaker 5: we would We're gonna support you, brother, to make sure
Speaker 5: that you can get what you get, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. But don't discount the fact that let's give
Speaker 5: Pip fifteen oh trips, Let's give Horse another five trips,
Speaker 5: Let's give Hodds another five or six jumpers, and let's
Speaker 5: see how we can melt this thing out. And then
Speaker 5: I think, so when we were speaking in terms of,
Speaker 5: you know, watching my brother Pip and you know, watching
Speaker 5: some of the stuff that's going on, you know, it's
Speaker 5: sad to me that we having fostered that brotherhood like
Speaker 5: y'all got you know what I'm saying. And that's the
Speaker 5: part that I think. That's what I thought when we
Speaker 5: came When I came in the league in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 5: one of the first people to hit knowledge on me
Speaker 5: was Bill Walton, loving loving to debt to this day
Speaker 5: and he told me, say, Hi, look here, you're a
Speaker 5: hooper man. I don't care how much you go through
Speaker 5: this thing and get to management. Always be on the
Speaker 5: side of the players because they are the game. And
Speaker 5: that's what I feel like. I feel like we are
Speaker 5: the game. So we have so much to offer still
Speaker 5: to the game, and likewise, I feel like we can
Speaker 5: be more influential in the way that the game is going.
Speaker 5: So when I look at Okay said, I delineate we
Speaker 5: got basketball, then we have management basketball. So management basketball
Speaker 5: in the NBA where I see it now is analytics
Speaker 5: and that type of thing. Over here, we're saying, how
Speaker 5: do we make the best team and what is the
Speaker 5: compliments that I can make in chemistry to make this
Speaker 5: thing work?
Speaker 4: I look at probably and Matt.
Speaker 5: You know, it's at least and the same thing with you.
Speaker 5: You know when you down there with Pop, so much
Speaker 5: of what Pop is doing this triangle, you know, So
Speaker 5: when we look at hit that thing dropping in ten
Speaker 5: dunk and go over there, that's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But now the game is such I would love to
Speaker 5: see Joel and be against James Edwards, Bill Carr, right,
Speaker 5: somebody is running block to block. Will Chamberlain would have
Speaker 5: loved to guard Joel and Bad at three point line
Speaker 5: because now I only got to run it there, and
Speaker 5: now you got to run down.
Speaker 4: Here, and you're gonna have to take this beating.
Speaker 5: And that's the thing that it's you know, I love
Speaker 5: I love the conversation, no dis on and beating. And
Speaker 5: I'm not using that as an example. I'm just using
Speaker 5: it in the way the game is played. When I
Speaker 5: think I was watching a conversation that Kobe was having
Speaker 5: and he said that it's accidental basketball and that when
Speaker 5: he said that, I was like, wow, that is so
Speaker 5: profound because when I look at the way the game
Speaker 5: is played and me playing off of Michael Jordan not
Speaker 5: a triangle, as opposed to me playing out of playing
Speaker 5: with Michael Jordan out of isolation basketball, it was a
Speaker 5: total difference.
Speaker 4: When we as in isolation, I'll be over there off
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 5: When is it coming? Is it gonna come? Now we
Speaker 5: know in triangle that when that thing coming, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be there, and it's.
Speaker 6: Gonna They still might shortcut it. But if they don't
Speaker 6: shortcut it, you're gonna get it.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get it. Wide open.
Speaker 5: And that's the beautiful part of the system itself, is
Speaker 5: that it lent himself to everybody getting touch it. So
Speaker 5: everybody gonna play D. Everybody gonna play D. So let's
Speaker 5: go the other way. Somebody gonna get it touch with,
Speaker 5: somebody gonna you know what I'm saying. So when we
Speaker 5: was talking about Matt and I was having a conversation
Speaker 5: about Pip and I told him, I said to me,
Speaker 5: once Scotty became one of the.
Speaker 4: Fiftieth best, his level of confidence.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily the way he played, He's playing that top fifty.
Speaker 5: Before then, he just didn't know it, you feel me.
Speaker 5: He was under the influence of twenty three that this
Speaker 5: is how you do it, this is how.
Speaker 4: You do it. That is how you do it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna drop you something, just how you do it.
Speaker 5: So he little brother man, when he became top fifty,
Speaker 5: it became.
Speaker 4: What let's go.
Speaker 5: And I think to some degree that's still there in
Speaker 5: that little rift. They haven't but you know, LRD willing
Speaker 5: it'll come together because everybody got children and grand babies.
Speaker 4: Now, man, we're too old for that shit. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. We were too old, We too old.
Speaker 4: We're too old for that. Now we're elders.
Speaker 5: Now we're older, just to the point where we got
Speaker 5: to be able to give something back in the level
Speaker 5: where hey, man, if I can't give it to you,
Speaker 5: And see, I think you know the economics of America,
Speaker 5: the economics of.
Speaker 4: What is success? Isn't me having a billion, isn't me
Speaker 4: having one hundred thousand, isn't me having a hundred?
Speaker 5: What is so in this thing? They put that idol
Speaker 5: in front of us, and we all chase it so much.
Speaker 5: And when I when I leave money on.
Speaker 4: The table, it can be tough.
Speaker 5: And I think many times that when we leave money
Speaker 5: on the table, money's left on the table, that those
Speaker 5: little frackings come out, and then we have chaos because.
Speaker 4: Can't nobody teach it but me? And don't nobody want
Speaker 4: to allow me to teach? And I'm cool with that.
Speaker 5: I can tell you right now, my son is teaching
Speaker 5: that in Pasadena Polytechnical High School. My oldest boys teaching
Speaker 5: triangle over there.
Speaker 3: Cope taught his daughter the triangle.
Speaker 4: It's the easiest game.
Speaker 5: This is the craziest part. It's the most fundamental system.
Speaker 5: You're going to get soon as you walk in the door.
Speaker 5: That's foot work. Then we go into our real footwork.
Speaker 5: Then we pick up a ball. Now we're in the
Speaker 5: ball handling.
Speaker 4: That's what you're gonna do naturally if you walk into
Speaker 4: a gym and pick up a ball. So it's certain
Speaker 4: things that text was able to figure out on a straight, straight, straight,
Speaker 4: basic level. I wish everybody would had a chance to
Speaker 4: be at Long Beach State for the four years that
Speaker 4: I spent there.
Speaker 3: Was it was it triangle off the rip? What do
Speaker 3: you mean with texts?
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, it was.
Speaker 5: It was, And it is the cold part about it,
Speaker 5: Like I had it four years in college. So I
Speaker 5: tell people to feel one how many championships, twelve or
Speaker 5: whatever you want, with only a third of the system
Speaker 5: because we didn't have to play against full court, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So in college you're playing against
Speaker 5: full court. We planned try and go right from out
Speaker 5: of bounds. So it's it's cold. It's a cold system.
Speaker 5: And for me, I'm like every team that I coach,
Speaker 5: that's what I teach.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying, you run the triangle otter out
Speaker 2: of bounds. I'm putting it together. I'm visualizing, think about it.
Speaker 5: Okay, think about it. And the way we set up
Speaker 5: against Press was we is four cross, two at the elbow,
Speaker 5: two on the wings. So now that wing pop, I
Speaker 5: hit and I go through.
Speaker 1: To the corner, half court flash middle.
Speaker 5: It's man and it's And that's the cool part about
Speaker 5: I'm so glad I played the game. When I played
Speaker 5: the game, you know, we all had handles, we had
Speaker 5: taps or whatever you want to call it. We had that,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But the game was played
Speaker 5: where I got a cat at six', Nine i'm six.
Speaker 5: Two were gonna look inside before we look, Outside So
Speaker 5: i'm coming.
Speaker 4: Down i'm dropping that.
Speaker 5: In SO i, SAY i would love to See Steph
Speaker 5: curry try to play with one of The biggs back
Speaker 5: in the day with a grab.
Speaker 4: Rebound, no, no, no come.
Speaker 5: BACK a young, man come, in a young man, Here
Speaker 5: hold that, down wait TILL i get down.
Speaker 4: There and that's what you got when you came into
Speaker 4: the league as a. Rookie, yo, man what you're running
Speaker 4: down there so?
Speaker 2: Fast fuck young, fella young, fella hold, Up.
Speaker 5: Hold that, up Because i'm getting. It i'm down there
Speaker 5: doing this dirty, work you. Know hold up TIL i
Speaker 5: get down, there you, know so it's a it's a different.
Speaker 5: Game but once, again everything is in. Cycles and you,
Speaker 5: Know I'm, matt how many teams in the league could
Speaker 5: probably be competitive on a championship level with.
Speaker 4: Triangle but you, Know tex saw us is.
Speaker 5: One of the first things you taught. Us he, Say,
Speaker 5: man you dribbling from here, Today i'm gonna pass it
Speaker 5: to get that. Quicker so we dribbling, around dribbling. AROUND
Speaker 5: i WATCHED i watched the game and somebody dribbled almost
Speaker 5: a whole twenty four second clock and got like three
Speaker 5: screening rolls at the.
Speaker 4: Top didn't chick come off of, it and now you
Speaker 4: got a. Lunch And i'm, like that's not basketball to.
Speaker 5: ME i think we were talking to practical especially paying under,
Speaker 5: pop and feel you weren't gonna play.
Speaker 4: If you weren't playing practical. Basketball you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying if you shooting the thirty, foot this should be
Speaker 5: at the end of a clock or at the end
Speaker 5: of a.
Speaker 6: Quarter that's WHY i feel, LIKE i, mean this this
Speaker 6: generation is very, skilled BUT i feel like they lack
Speaker 6: the the thinking of the game because like you said, that.
Speaker 5: And you think about, it one of the great parts
Speaker 5: about all of us had we had we had a
Speaker 5: chance to play at the, park you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying so now instead of playing at the, park they're
Speaker 5: with a dribbling coach there with the head and did
Speaker 5: with a strength and conditioning.
Speaker 4: Coach so all of you only got so much time.
Speaker 5: To do whatever we're doing playing, Man and that was
Speaker 5: the thing that we were, learning and we were learning
Speaker 5: to play against bigger people playing with you you younger
Speaker 5: playing against older, guys so you learn to play against
Speaker 5: through through contact and. Everything where now it's like you
Speaker 5: know you're gonna and then when when they set up
Speaker 5: THESE aau programs and such where you're getting the top
Speaker 5: five from over, here come with top seven over, here
Speaker 5: and now we're gonna go and just dominate every. Place
Speaker 5: but nobody's working on what their weaknesses. Are you, know
Speaker 5: everybody's trying to. Win we're trying to win for. It
Speaker 5: and that's WHY i tell people now WHENEVER i mentor
Speaker 5: any young folks and their, parents is that you only
Speaker 5: have so many games in your. Body and WHEN i say,
Speaker 5: Games i'm saying when you put on a when a
Speaker 5: referee is out, there when you walk into the, gym
Speaker 5: and you smell, Popcorn you're adrenaline started. Rushing you put
Speaker 5: on a, uniform the whistle blows and the clock. Starts
Speaker 5: that's different than Scrim you only got so many of
Speaker 5: them in your.
Speaker 4: Life, now if you're an up and.
Speaker 5: Coming player and you look like you're going, SOMEWHERE i
Speaker 5: want them to be from twenty.
Speaker 3: Two save And i'm trying to tell you twenty.
Speaker 4: Two to thirty. TWO i don't want you to be.
Speaker 4: There oh my son is the top eighth.
Speaker 6: Grader, okay, Hey i'm we got to edit this part
Speaker 6: that that's been my whole thing with my, twins and
Speaker 6: like the homies can, contest like there's no point in
Speaker 6: being the best six fifth grade or sixth, gade or
Speaker 6: seventh graderor eighth.
Speaker 1: Grade like you want to.
Speaker 6: Start peaking at eleventh, grade twelfth grade through college, exactly
Speaker 6: that's when and then you hit your physical. Peak, yes
Speaker 6: and to late twenty so it's it's a, marathon not a.
Speaker 6: Spread and so many people these days BECAUSE i coach
Speaker 6: au and obviously you still, coaching it's about my son's ranked,
Speaker 6: this and it's just, This AND i tell you know
Speaker 6: how many People i've seen ranked, man never do, anything
Speaker 6: never never heard of them. Exactly that's the part of
Speaker 6: it's the, bill it's the constantly chop, wood carry.
Speaker 3: Water let's just get a little bit better each.
Speaker 5: Time and then that's the, thing, man is that and
Speaker 5: to be able to give that.
Speaker 4: Guidance and that's the part Where i'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yes and you got the answer to the test, already, yes.
Speaker 5: And if you Get and that's LIKE i tell young
Speaker 5: folks When i'm working with, Them i'm, Like, Okay i'll
Speaker 5: work with, you AND i tell their Parents i'll work with.
Speaker 5: Y'all but if they're a, knucklehead we only got one, session,
Speaker 5: Okay And i'm gonna know if your knucklehead or she's a,
Speaker 5: knucklehead because they gonna think they already.
Speaker 4: Know and if that's the, case then you don't need,
Speaker 4: me you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying so let's just go on ahead and understand that
Speaker 5: the fundamentals are the, fundamentals and let's grind on. Those
Speaker 5: like you, say let's grind on those. Fundamentals let's see
Speaker 5: how much work we can put in with older, people
Speaker 5: see where you, know see where we can bring you.
Speaker 4: Along and then you go back and going to.
Speaker 5: WORKSHIT i tell PEOPLE i feel LIKE i became the
Speaker 5: shooter THAT i am BECAUSE i shot so much by
Speaker 5: myself and THAT i never got bored and still to this,
Speaker 5: DAY i don't get bored with seeing the ball go
Speaker 5: through the basket the same way BECAUSE i do it
Speaker 5: the same. Way and that me and me and my
Speaker 5: son would have battles because he would get caught in His,
Speaker 5: kobe he'd get.
Speaker 4: Got in the.
Speaker 5: COLD i was, Like, bro you didn't hit twenty in
Speaker 5: a row and now you want to.
Speaker 4: Fade why not make the twenty first?
Speaker 5: One because for, me it's not the twenty first or
Speaker 5: one hundred, first it's just that.
Speaker 4: One and how DO i make sure that every single
Speaker 4: jump is just?
Speaker 5: One and Now i'm putting all of this into this
Speaker 5: single one and That and that's when WHEN i was
Speaker 5: working With, KOBE i would have to remind him our
Speaker 5: word was, extension Because cob shot so many, balls not
Speaker 5: just shooting, him but thinking about shooting, him that he
Speaker 5: was always on to the next. One And i'm, like, no,
Speaker 5: bro stay there with that, one because when you did,
Speaker 5: that stated until you see that shit go, in and
Speaker 5: then we are and you go still then come back
Speaker 5: and do it, again you know What i'm, saying and
Speaker 5: again and again and that and that was the part
Speaker 5: THAT i loved, with you, know working with, him was
Speaker 5: that his his mental focus and his Preparation BEFORE i
Speaker 5: go out, THERE i want to make sure THAT i
Speaker 5: have all.
Speaker 4: The bases covered possible BEFORE i strap them.
Speaker 5: On and then WHEN i strap them, On i'm gonna
Speaker 5: have that connected with, that it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: Ugly it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: UGLY i got to steal that When i'm talking to
Speaker 2: my uh my daughter's, team just the one make all
Speaker 2: them shots one.
Speaker 4: Shot, Yes and that's the and that's the hardest.
Speaker 6: Part we're gonna we're gonna touch on this a little.
Speaker 6: Later but you told me something THAT i thought was,
Speaker 6: crazy super. Fascinating what's the difference you play with him
Speaker 6: and you coach With phil and work With. Kobe what's
Speaker 6: the difference between those two in your?
Speaker 1: Opinion right?
Speaker 4: Hand?
Speaker 5: Why because What kobe would be going to the line
Speaker 5: to shoot, too M j was going to shoot and
Speaker 5: one so a lot of them knocks That kobe had
Speaker 5: to shoot with two hands when that.
Speaker 4: Knock what? HAPPENED? Mj put that bad boy over?
Speaker 3: Here you?
Speaker 1: Know, oh that's the. Difference, okay, okay, OKAY i didn't hear.
Speaker 7: That that's that to me is the only difference is
Speaker 7: that gripper that gripper because, Man i'm telling YOU i
Speaker 7: haven't seen his.
Speaker 5: Brother make like hes going to do a crossover and you.
Speaker 1: Come, on, man that's a myth right? Now?
Speaker 5: Bro come, on, Man i'm telling him And DOCTOR j
Speaker 5: the them. Hands, Yeah, bro you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying it's.
Speaker 5: Certain it's. Certain and that's the way you, say like
Speaker 5: the creator knows who should have.
Speaker 1: Exactly you can't question, them.
Speaker 5: You know What i'm, saying what they? What this is
Speaker 5: what you're gonna need to. Do what you got in
Speaker 5: your mind you're gonna, do and there it, is go for.
Speaker 5: It and then you Have KOBE mj that Engined. Westbrook
Speaker 5: when you look at people Like John moran who had,
Speaker 5: that when you'd be, like that's a different.
Speaker 4: Engine you know What i'm, SAYING i can. Work Like
Speaker 4: i'm telling, YOU i was with Him jay four and
Speaker 4: a half seasons or. Whatever never lost a, suicide, mm
Speaker 4: never never.
Speaker 1: Lost, Never it's. Crazy.
Speaker 4: Never, no.
Speaker 1: That's hard to. Believe some DAYS i don't feel.
Speaker 5: Like and we would Ask phil how many we got after,
Speaker 5: practice and he would ask us how many we.
Speaker 4: Want because we knew he knew we was trying to get.
Speaker 1: Him mm. Hmmm so it would be.
Speaker 4: It would be like, this all, right me and bj
Speaker 4: we're gonna go out hard on.
Speaker 1: Him are?
Speaker 3: Y'allways team up on?
Speaker 4: It leave as soon as a whistle. Blow as soon
Speaker 4: as a whistle, Blow he damned it coming back at.
Speaker 4: Us if you feel me on the rail and this
Speaker 4: ain't no this ain't this ain't no, job And i'm.
Speaker 4: RUNNING i feel LIKE i could run all. Day you
Speaker 4: feel me and quick and quick, hands some.
Speaker 5: Speed but, man it wasn't even it wasn't even fair
Speaker 5: on the rail and honestly checked us. Out kobe rehabit
Speaker 5: and we And anaheim getting ready to play a preseason,
Speaker 5: game right so going through our workout before every other
Speaker 5: team comes out and then the other team get ready
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 4: Out he's like watch, this Hotch like what he's, like watch?
Speaker 5: This he get on the sideline and started running like
Speaker 5: he us saying boat up and down the sideline where
Speaker 5: the other team coming out to.
Speaker 4: Shoot they can't even look they're looking at him because
Speaker 4: he running like he's eating the.
Speaker 5: Lines you know What i'm, saying and that's the temperament
Speaker 5: that He Jan cass can talk.
Speaker 4: About talk about something different and you're.
Speaker 5: Crazy so when we when we got with The, lakers
Speaker 5: we go to a wife for our first training. Camp
Speaker 5: were on the, plane he tapped me on the. Shoulder,
Speaker 5: man when we get, IN i want to have lunch with. You,
Speaker 5: okay get, in go, downstairs we have. Lunch it was all, about,
Speaker 5: man how did M j make people?
Speaker 4: Better what was he? Like and THEN i had never
Speaker 4: seen any practice sign. Practice it was like Watching MICHAEL whoa.
Speaker 3: The first and everything.
Speaker 5: Gas, me gas me and, mannerisms Everything i'm, like and
Speaker 5: then understanding of how much he watched him growing, up
Speaker 5: but to be able to see to see, it put
Speaker 5: it in practice and then go do. It he would
Speaker 5: call me and, Say, hi do we need some work
Speaker 5: in the. Morning, okay we get that six thirty and
Speaker 5: he working on four spots that he's gonna get thirty
Speaker 5: from that. Night and he ain't taking no shots the,
Speaker 5: box box elbow. Wing feel me And i'm talking about,
Speaker 5: precision And i'm pissed because it's thirty five forty minutes
Speaker 5: or nothing but d for. Me you, know you know
Speaker 5: What i'm, saying And i'm, like, Man i'm knowing. Him
Speaker 5: he won a different look every single. Time, yea, yeah
Speaker 5: And i'm gonna give him that just from a competitive.
Speaker 5: End and LIKE i, said like you talk about how
Speaker 5: much of a blessing it was to play with, him
Speaker 5: play with, Him, JAY i got AN mj almost every day,
Speaker 5: practice you, Know AND i loved it because for me
Speaker 5: it was like WHEN i know he's gonna, Post i'm
Speaker 5: just front, y'all better help.
Speaker 4: Me you feel?
Speaker 5: Me and then when he, Shoot i'm, Gone and now
Speaker 5: he got to try to cross match to get back
Speaker 5: And i'm shooting this, thing you, know to have to
Speaker 5: play with, him and then to Watch kobe and to
Speaker 5: See kobe say all, right, Man i'm gonna do these
Speaker 5: two footworks from here And i'm gonna get. Fourteen i'm
Speaker 5: gonna do these over, here And i'm gonna get at
Speaker 5: least twenty into the line for four.
Speaker 4: More and we go back and it beat them, spots.
Speaker 5: Beat them spots because he didn't looked and, Said, okay
Speaker 5: this team got this type of d they gonna throw at,
Speaker 5: me this team got this big down, here SO i
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be going down the town.
Speaker 4: And he too small with.
Speaker 6: Me did you go to keep your? Training did you
Speaker 6: go with us To? Spain, no you weren't, There so
Speaker 6: we was on the flight To. SPAIN i told this story,
Speaker 6: before BUT i just want to add on to what
Speaker 6: you're thinking when you talk about the way he looks at.
Speaker 6: Defense so this is when everybody with sleeves on the
Speaker 6: big huge plane with the families there and. Everything he
Speaker 6: has his headphones on AND i think he's over there,
Speaker 6: wrapping So i'm gonna go talk shit to. HIM i
Speaker 6: get up and there's like thirty different courts and he's
Speaker 6: drawing where the defense is gonna. Be he's, LIKE i
Speaker 6: don't look at the guy guard. ME i don't look
Speaker 6: at the. HELP i look at the third. Guy this
Speaker 6: is where you guys are going to be open. At
Speaker 6: so he had some ship where L o is gonna
Speaker 6: be open Me Steve Blake fish run like this nigga.
Speaker 1: Is sick because it's gonna take three times sick.
Speaker 6: Go but then you talk about his kill spots on
Speaker 6: top of, that AND i know how the defensive plays
Speaker 6: like when he's, like can be that's where you're gonna be.
Speaker 6: Open this, One i'm not even worried about this guy
Speaker 6: looking at And i'm just, like, oh this.
Speaker 1: Text.
Speaker 4: WINNER i was too BEFORE i got on the.
Speaker 1: Team it's.
Speaker 5: Crazy and that's what WHEN i got with The, lakers
Speaker 5: text would tell. Me, MAN i would have to Tell
Speaker 5: kobe to get out of my room because we're watching.
Speaker 5: Film And kobe was like the first time he watched
Speaker 5: film with, texts he thought he was just gonna watch film.
Speaker 5: Him he's, like, no, man we watched the whole game Jump,
Speaker 5: ball all the way to the, end and he said
Speaker 5: how much that helped him make the game slow?
Speaker 1: Down you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying and then you know, too, man when you got green.
Speaker 5: Green, green green, light lime, green, Different, man come, On
Speaker 5: man gave me, that you, Know and that's the probably
Speaker 5: like when We're Doug.
Speaker 4: Collins Doug collins was like.
Speaker 5: This people was, like, MAN mj shoot a. Lot, NO
Speaker 5: mj just had to make one. Shot anybody you make one,
Speaker 5: Shot doug coming back to the.
Speaker 4: Coming back to the same play, twice so you got
Speaker 4: two times to score.
Speaker 5: Again SO mj would get on them, runs but you
Speaker 5: could get on them runs. Too just you got to
Speaker 5: make at least.
Speaker 4: Two to three in a row and just keep it moving.
Speaker 4: Man but now not the way the game is.
Speaker 5: Played for, Me i'm so GLAD i played WHEN i
Speaker 5: played man because to, me it was it was more,
Speaker 5: cohesive it was more i'm gonna, say formalized basketball from
Speaker 5: the standpoint that it was a position game to where
Speaker 5: now it seems, like you, know it's positionless that if
Speaker 5: you can, handle regardless to your, size you're gonna. Handle you,
Speaker 5: know you look At yokige And, luca.
Speaker 3: You, know regardless of your.
Speaker 1: Size. Shoot, yeah, yeah let's.
Speaker 6: Back up a little. Bit drafted to The San Diego. Clippers,
Speaker 6: yes the owner that ended up losing his job during
Speaker 6: my run. Here knowing what you're about what you, study
Speaker 6: was there any did you know anything about him before
Speaker 6: you got to The?
Speaker 1: Clippers not at.
Speaker 5: All and the crazy part, was you, know for me
Speaker 5: coming in as you, know black, studies you, KNOW i,
Speaker 5: WAS i was, serious serious as far as my commitment
Speaker 5: and still serious about, it BUT i was you know
Speaker 5: how you can be too serious.
Speaker 4: And not not enjoy.
Speaker 5: Life so it was one of those things WHERE i
Speaker 5: made sure THAT i was on my p's and q's
Speaker 5: where the game was, concerned AND i was just, young
Speaker 5: And i'm studying and, watching BUT i watched you know
Speaker 5: where we would come in with the clippers and not
Speaker 5: have a check.
Speaker 4: Signed you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying and it's A friday. Afternoon you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying you, know you, know and that type of. Stuff
Speaker 5: but also at that time When Bill walton would always
Speaker 5: let me, know, yeah, man.
Speaker 4: The owner is a. Slumlord you know What i'm. Saying
Speaker 4: that's coming From.
Speaker 1: Bill bill was.
Speaker 4: Superman bill was solid.
Speaker 5: Man and that's you know certain. People you, KNOW i
Speaker 5: look at my, life, man there's certain people That i've
Speaker 5: been blessed to have looked. At WHEN i was a shorty.
Speaker 5: MAN i Remember bill when he scored his last game
Speaker 5: IN ucla one for twenty two man and ran off the.
Speaker 4: Court you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying when he fired out the, game he was gone
Speaker 5: running off AND i was like that white boy, cool
Speaker 5: you know What i'm. Saying And, Bill, bill and you
Speaker 5: know all type of People i've been able to meet
Speaker 5: in my, life you, know whether it Was Jesse, jackson
Speaker 5: whether It's mandela you. Know so WHEN i, did y'all notice,
Speaker 5: this y'all might have seen, this did y'all y'all watch
Speaker 5: The Super, bowl, Right did y'all see THE nfl players
Speaker 5: commercial whether there's talking ABOUT i Am?
Speaker 4: Somebody did you see? That anybody see?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 5: Okay that was the mantra THAT i had WHEN i
Speaker 5: was eight years old At Operation Bread basket In chicago
Speaker 5: By Reverend Jesse Jackson.
Speaker 4: Jr, really AND i, said they didn't even get his
Speaker 4: brother no credit on.
Speaker 1: THAT i remember that that was his whole. THING i
Speaker 1: am somebody and.
Speaker 5: It started and it started WITH i am, black BUT
Speaker 5: i am, somebody all.
Speaker 4: Right so WHEN i seen, THAT i was, like, oh,
Speaker 4: man come, on but it's.
Speaker 1: Cool, yeah it's.
Speaker 4: Cool but where we just like right now one of
Speaker 4: the things that we have to do is. Players And
Speaker 4: i'm glad this came. Up Spencer. Haywood.
Speaker 5: Yep we have got to make sure that we start
Speaker 5: calling this To Spencer haywood rule and that it was
Speaker 5: because Of spencer that people could come in early.
Speaker 1: Out of high, school no, question you.
Speaker 5: Know and that's the, part and you, know just things
Speaker 5: like that from a historical, level, Man and That spencer
Speaker 5: is one of the other brothers THAT i had a.
Speaker 4: Chance you, know now we're, cool and he was one
Speaker 4: of the brothers like Man Spencer.
Speaker 5: Wood you know What i'm, Saying, kareem you, Know, Doc
Speaker 5: and to get a, chance like you, say WHEN i
Speaker 5: came in the, league WHEN i played against The lakers
Speaker 5: the first it was a trip getting to you, know
Speaker 5: getting to get a greens To, kareem you know What i'm,
Speaker 5: saying and to be able to, Say, man you, here
Speaker 5: but you.
Speaker 4: Can't be enamored we're being. Here it's putting in. Work
Speaker 4: it's putting in.
Speaker 5: Work but also knowing, That and that's one of the things,
Speaker 5: too is WHEN i look at how right, now to some,
Speaker 5: DEGREE i look back and, say, man IF i was
Speaker 5: a one, dimensional just a basketball player and not thinking
Speaker 5: about the, Liberation i'm glad You it'll been some numbers
Speaker 5: put up y'all on the. Reil AND i ain't saying
Speaker 5: that to be. Facetious i'm, saying you, know, summertime, summertime
Speaker 5: summertime Run i'm getting thirty fives and forties in the,
Speaker 5: city SO i know. That But i'm looking at HOW
Speaker 5: i was taught to play the, game all. Right Steve
Speaker 5: fisher was my high school coach that coached the five.
Speaker 5: Five SO i had three and a half hours every
Speaker 5: day of drill.
Speaker 4: Work you feel me in.
Speaker 5: Discipline, man in the early part of the, GAME i
Speaker 5: come down in high school AND i drop a dame
Speaker 5: behind my back and before he finished the layft the
Speaker 5: horn was boring for me to come out the. Game,
Speaker 5: Okay now fourth, quarter fourth, quarter same, game come, down
Speaker 5: drop the same, Time no, problem because it's in the
Speaker 5: heat of the.
Speaker 4: Battle make the. Play don't need that. Early just make a.
Speaker 5: Play and that taught, Me, OKAY i can make these,
Speaker 5: plays but be cognizant because you're gonna come out of the.
Speaker 5: Game and why come out the. Game you on the
Speaker 5: road where you got almost thirty eight right, now don't
Speaker 5: do nothing, stupid don't get your, forties you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying so it's a different it's a different. Mindset and for,
Speaker 5: ME i, was LIKE i, SAID i was blessed to
Speaker 5: be able to have great teaching all the way, through
Speaker 5: go From Steve fisher to Text, winner from Text winner
Speaker 5: To Paul silas To Jimmy lineham To Don, Nelson Cotton,
Speaker 5: Fitzsimmons Doug, Collins Phil. Jackson you, know SO i Had
Speaker 5: i've had great teaching all the way, through and probably
Speaker 5: one of the greatest TEACHERS i had along that way
Speaker 5: was Down nelson and you Know, Nellie. Nellie nelly was.
Speaker 5: Cool AND i think one of the cold parts About
Speaker 5: nelly that that when he got The Golden, state he
Speaker 5: changed you feel? Me he became mellow Man. Milwaukee he
Speaker 5: was a, psycho was?
Speaker 6: HE i want to hear about this side because he
Speaker 6: was so cool with.
Speaker 2: Us super mellow with, us letting the smoke tree in his,
Speaker 2: creb his apartment all.
Speaker 4: That, no no dig. THIS i go To. Hawaii who was? That?
Speaker 1: YES i love, you get ready to love.
Speaker 4: YOU i go To.
Speaker 5: MAUI i go To mawi AND i visit field all
Speaker 5: these trees and. Shit right, Now i'm playing with the
Speaker 5: Bucks i'm.
Speaker 4: Burning he calls me in the office one, Day, Yeah,
Speaker 4: craig we need to. Talk what's up smoking?
Speaker 1: Weed?
Speaker 3: Right i'm Like.
Speaker 4: He's, like, well give it a couple of, days take
Speaker 4: it off a couple of, days, Right And i'm, like
Speaker 4: y'all get out.
Speaker 5: There it's, like, man you was messing with me about
Speaker 5: smoking weed WHEN i was playing what you tripping?
Speaker 1: On?
Speaker 4: Right but, Anyway nelly.
Speaker 1: Was like, This nelly cush.
Speaker 4: EXACTLY i was like, What but, anyway when we was In, Milwaukee,
Speaker 4: man we would have thirty days of tour days old.
Speaker 1: School, YEAH i need to trade, me you feel?
Speaker 5: Me thirty days of two days And i'm talking About
Speaker 5: nelly was like, THIS i got.
Speaker 1: Traded, YEAH i ain't able to do it.
Speaker 5: Me Terry cummings And Ricky, pierce we get traded To,
Speaker 5: milwaukee all. Right they get there for the first day
Speaker 5: of the first practice that.
Speaker 4: MORNING i come in that.
Speaker 5: Afternoon So i'm going up to the elevator to Meet
Speaker 5: nelly and they're coming down after the first practice In
Speaker 5: Ricky pierce country.
Speaker 4: Man hart that more, crazy, Man it can't be that bad.
Speaker 4: Man so get up there With nelly's.
Speaker 5: Like, YEAH i could have got you in the trade
Speaker 5: a year, ago but NOW i think you're gonna have
Speaker 5: a longevity in the.
Speaker 4: Game you got a nice physeq and.
Speaker 5: Everything he's, like but the one thing IS i want
Speaker 5: to know if you can handle a motherfucker cussing you.
Speaker 4: Out AND i started.
Speaker 5: Laughing, man go to practice that, night come, in we
Speaker 5: take our three. Laps we go right to the, mirror
Speaker 5: drill lead.
Speaker 4: Them that's. Me get up, front so, no make them.
Speaker 4: Work how does that SHIT.
Speaker 5: I slide for two, minutes leading them, right and now
Speaker 5: they take two laps before the next. One i'm getting
Speaker 5: ready to take my.
Speaker 4: Lap, no, no, no keep. Sliding i'm, like and you,
Speaker 4: know pros when we take, laps were getting the rest.
Speaker 5: Right So i'm looking at the. Brothers come, back give
Speaker 5: them three, minutes So i'm ready to. Quit i'm ready
Speaker 5: to get. Traded at this, POINT i Told terry comes
Speaker 5: out LIKE tc, Man i'm ready to get.
Speaker 4: Traded. Man like, MAN i slow. Down now we go
Speaker 4: through that whole thirty.
Speaker 5: Days, man as soon as that camp is, over he
Speaker 5: became the coolest coach, ever a player's. Coach but you
Speaker 5: know what he told me after it all these like
Speaker 5: the way you get control of your team is make
Speaker 5: them all hate. You and once you get them all,
Speaker 5: hating and now what's? Him he put everybody through, that
Speaker 5: and it was, like, man we hate this cat. Man
Speaker 5: nelly be sitting there and you Know, milwaukee how cold it.
Speaker 5: Is we used to practice in this place Called Cardinals Scritch,
Speaker 5: college old.
Speaker 4: School no he.
Speaker 5: Dead, winner, Right nelly sitting in there in a parker
Speaker 5: and smoking cigarettes while we running, Laps and it's, like,
Speaker 5: man And nelly was always he was cool to the
Speaker 5: point where you could joke with.
Speaker 4: Him but he was serious about.
Speaker 5: Winning he was serious about unless we played The, celtics
Speaker 5: and then it was like he ain't gonna.
Speaker 1: Coach he ain't gonna.
Speaker 3: Coach, no, man why.
Speaker 1: Not read our?
Speaker 4: Back he all read his.
Speaker 5: Career so we go In Boston, garden we waiting For
Speaker 5: nelly to give us one of these bombed inventions on
Speaker 5: the sideline and time.
Speaker 4: Out he's. Silent, man it's The Houston Conference. Finals, Man no
Speaker 4: no rep no. Rip, okay all, right, okay talk through the.
Speaker 6: Motion that's like the culture and the water boy man
Speaker 6: when he was intimidated by the other exactly basically.
Speaker 1: What he did after we Beat dallas shut it.
Speaker 5: DOWN i think you know one of the, things you,
Speaker 5: know When steve was in the high, School, steve that
Speaker 5: which happened would not not just And chris at. All
Speaker 5: that would have never happened with my high school, team
Speaker 5: never Because fish made sure you was on point and
Speaker 5: and locked.
Speaker 4: In but it, happened you.
Speaker 5: Know but he was always understanding of the impact that
Speaker 5: players could, have especially going into. College he understood that
Speaker 5: he couldn't be as he was when he was around
Speaker 5: us in high, school you, know so he became more more,
Speaker 5: calm and he came into great. Situations, man you know
Speaker 5: What i'm. Saying he came into you know when that
Speaker 5: when that five to five thing went, down that was perfect.
Speaker 5: Timing he had recruited them all and you were second in,
Speaker 5: charge and then the coach steps.
Speaker 4: Down so you in good.
Speaker 3: Shape From milwaukee To, chicago.
Speaker 4: From milwaukee To, Phoenix, phoenix, YEAH i.
Speaker 5: WAS i went FROM i got traded To phoenix the
Speaker 5: same day With Kevin, Johnson Mark, West Tyrone. CORBIN i
Speaker 5: came From milwaukee For Jay. Humphreys jay went to The.
Speaker 5: BUCKS i came to The. Sins i'm leading the league
Speaker 5: in three point percentage at the TIME i get. Traded
Speaker 5: WHEN i get traded in as soon AS i get
Speaker 5: off the, Plane i'm on IR i don't know how
Speaker 5: did this? Happen but, okay. Cool So i'm, like, Well
Speaker 5: i'm gonna go home with some hardwork Because i'm gonna
Speaker 5: be the three point. Title and you know that we
Speaker 5: only had maybe fifteen games left after that because we
Speaker 5: weren't go into the. Playoffs and THEN i went to
Speaker 5: training camp the following season AND i got traded probably
Speaker 5: like mid Almost. December and what's cool about that situation
Speaker 5: is That Jerry, COLANGELO i went to high school.
Speaker 1: With all my.
Speaker 4: Family he's From.
Speaker 5: Chicago the gym At Bloom High school was named After Jerry.
Speaker 5: Colangelo so when he called me in to trade me To,
Speaker 5: chicago he's, like, Yeah Craig cotton would love to have.
Speaker 5: You you, Know cotten Fits simmons would love to keep
Speaker 5: you as an insurance. Policy BUT i got a trade
Speaker 5: you might.
Speaker 1: LIKE i was, like what's. Up he's Like.
Speaker 4: CHICAGO i was, like oh.
Speaker 5: Man he's, like, yeah make sure you tell your family
Speaker 5: HOW i was, like cooler, man it. Was it was
Speaker 5: cool from that point on to be able to come
Speaker 5: home and be the first homeborn, champion you know What i'm,
Speaker 5: Saying and to be able to look at it from
Speaker 5: a different perspective that HAD i came To chicago as a,
Speaker 5: ROOKIE i wouldn't have been. Ready but to be able
Speaker 5: to come in as a six year veteran with playoff,
Speaker 5: experience probably more playoff. Experience the other person that might
Speaker 5: have had more than me Was Bill. Cartwright so you
Speaker 5: come in with a level of you, know seniority and
Speaker 5: in a mindset that you ready to.
Speaker 4: Deliver. MAN i remember we played we played The bulls
Speaker 4: WHEN i was In, milwaukee and you know how you're
Speaker 4: going through layup line and you cross, paths AND i
Speaker 4: remember crossing paths with M jay and we drapped it
Speaker 4: up AND i told, HIM i, said, man if we
Speaker 4: ever get, together we're gonna win.
Speaker 5: Championships and we kept going and we came. Back AND
Speaker 5: i tell, people when you look at the, numbers he's twenty,
Speaker 5: Three i'm, Fourteen my one and my four encompasses two
Speaker 5: and three together the equal.
Speaker 4: Ten so ain't no way we could.
Speaker 1: Lose in a way we could.
Speaker 3: Lose so your first year In, chicago you guys lose To.
Speaker 4: Detroit, yes and GET i asked with.
Speaker 3: What'd you guys learn from?
Speaker 5: That that the biggest thing was their physicality versus our.
Speaker 5: Athleticism so when they were KNOCKING mj, down they're, Taped
Speaker 5: scottie out a little, bit, okay we would react to them.
Speaker 5: Taps the following, year it was make sure that when
Speaker 5: anybody got, tapped two or three of us go over
Speaker 5: there quick and get them right to the line and
Speaker 5: get them up and let's go that it ain't gonna
Speaker 5: beat us lingering over this hit or looking. Back, no, no,
Speaker 5: no get your ass, up get you the, line make
Speaker 5: your free.
Speaker 4: Throws they gonna file you because they can't stop.
Speaker 1: You you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying because the athleticism that we had in our front,
Speaker 5: line man was stupid at that at that period of.
Speaker 5: Time and being able to play under the system that
Speaker 5: we played under With, doug it was tough because everything
Speaker 5: was run so much THROUGH mj that it was hard
Speaker 5: for the younger Cats, pete you, KNOW Bj stacy for
Speaker 5: them to be able to see how this is.
Speaker 4: Played you.
Speaker 5: Know so once it became a thing where everybody was
Speaker 5: gonna get, touches it became a different, game. Man and
Speaker 5: and once again it was, uh you, KNOW mj was
Speaker 5: hot with the system when it was walked.
Speaker 4: On he didn't want to he didn't want to want
Speaker 4: to run, triangle you.
Speaker 5: Know but it was like and and that's another, thing you,
Speaker 5: know watching The Last dance and the the aura of
Speaker 5: the mystique Of mike in the ora of The mystique
Speaker 5: OF mj or twenty three or whatever you want to call,
Speaker 5: it and the reality of what the locker room was
Speaker 5: like that that wasn't a he wasn't a senior in the.
Speaker 5: Class you know What i'm. Saying that Was bill Cut.
Speaker 5: Right so it wasn't ever where he was gonna Speak
Speaker 5: bill or he was gonna Speak, hodge because it was a.
Speaker 5: Seniority you came in the. League we was in the
Speaker 5: league when you came, Here so it's not gonna be different.
Speaker 5: Level and so people from the outside would see it one,
Speaker 5: way but we on the inside understood it to be
Speaker 5: what it was and that you, know when things would go,
Speaker 5: awry it was gonna be your. Teach and that's what
Speaker 5: we Call bill cut, Right, yo, teach what's what's? Up
Speaker 5: and you're gonna, Drop you're gonna let, it let it be.
Speaker 5: Known and it wasn't nobody gonna challenge. That and that's
Speaker 5: the part WHERE i, think you, know the the whole
Speaker 5: media side of things can cause like cosset. Friction you,
Speaker 5: know WHEN i look at the opportunity That Derrick rose
Speaker 5: And Jimmy butler had together In, chicago but the media
Speaker 5: wanted to make it which Team whose team is? It
Speaker 5: as opposed to see these young brothers realize what we
Speaker 5: could do as a camaraderie and make this thing go
Speaker 5: for a. Championship and that's the part that you know
Speaker 5: understanding that different, Systems and that's WHAT i tell people
Speaker 5: all the.
Speaker 4: TIME i don't care what you're.
Speaker 5: In systems win, championships and every system that has a
Speaker 5: defensive component on, it defense wins. Championship so we hang
Speaker 5: our had on. Defense and the way that we do
Speaker 5: that is going to give us an opportunity to bust
Speaker 5: out of this thing and play offense the way we
Speaker 5: want to play, it which is. Run people think that
Speaker 5: triangle slow.
Speaker 4: Down you think about.
Speaker 5: It we wanted to run most of the time when
Speaker 5: we're trying to do the, tryang we're trying to run to. Numbers,
Speaker 5: now if the numbers ain't, there let's flow into our
Speaker 5: system and get things popping, off you, know without the
Speaker 5: ball getting.
Speaker 4: Stuck in one, place you, know pipping.
Speaker 6: Incredible, yeah you were telling. Me this is one THING
Speaker 6: i asked. YOU i asked you two. Things we'll get into.
Speaker 6: IT i was, like how good was he and should
Speaker 6: he feel the way he should feel Towards mike at this,
Speaker 6: POINT i think that was, Something but how good was?
Speaker 5: HE i think he was better THAN mj just from
Speaker 5: a natural six seven with the same. Components but not
Speaker 5: only is your right your left is that, big you
Speaker 5: know What i'm, Saying and you finishing.
Speaker 4: Were both equally like.
Speaker 5: That the difference was was that the level of confidence
Speaker 5: coming out of and so.
Speaker 4: Much when we look at, it think about.
Speaker 5: It if you think about how many guys you played,
Speaker 5: with so much was given to them that they lent
Speaker 5: to their, confidence you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying so IF i know THAT i got all of.
Speaker 5: These people behind me and all these people supporting, me
Speaker 5: Then i'm gonna go out And i'm gonna pay a
Speaker 5: different way as opposed TO i got to prove to
Speaker 5: these people That i'm. Capable scotty come in having to
Speaker 5: prove itself From Central, arkansas as opposed to knowing that,
Speaker 5: Dude i'm six, SEVEN i got, HANDLES i gotta, JUMP
Speaker 5: i can. SHOOT i still got to prove. Myself where
Speaker 5: m was already proven to a, degree it was just
Speaker 5: a matter of how good.
Speaker 4: He was gonna.
Speaker 5: Become and that you, know WHEN i look at pichure,
Speaker 5: Development scotty is silly. Man scotty And horse they used
Speaker 5: to keep things so light hearted because they were silly young.
Speaker 5: Folks but they played hard and they got every, day
Speaker 5: AND i think that's the part That Pip pip became
Speaker 5: better with every. Touch AND i think you, know when
Speaker 5: they named in the top, fifty it took his confidence
Speaker 5: to a different. Level BUT i think he felt THAT
Speaker 5: mj could have done more from a business side of helping,
Speaker 5: him you know What i'm, saying from the side of
Speaker 5: saying all, right you think how many professional athletes today
Speaker 5: and of yesteryear who gave a piece of themselves contractually
Speaker 5: in order to keep my boy, here you know What i'm,
Speaker 5: Saying and THAT i Think scotty wanted a little bit
Speaker 5: of that to. Happen and you, know sometimes you, know
Speaker 5: the friendship and like THEY i soaught a piece the
Speaker 5: other day where they was Asking scotty if him And
Speaker 5: michael ever had a dinner.
Speaker 4: Together you're, like, No AND i could see THAT i
Speaker 4: can see.
Speaker 5: Them never sitting down. There you, know yes it. Is
Speaker 5: but then when he said, NO i was, LIKE i,
Speaker 5: thought y'all had you know What i'm, saying at some,
Speaker 5: point you, know if nothing else but The olympics Or Dream,
Speaker 5: team and sometime y'all had to sit. Down BUT i
Speaker 5: could believe it after talking about, it him talking about
Speaker 5: it the way he. DID i could believe, it you,
Speaker 5: know but it's not you, know it's not taking anything
Speaker 5: away from what we did on a basketball.
Speaker 4: Level what are we doing as? Men you know What i'm?
Speaker 4: Saying what is where are we at right?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: Man LIKE i, said we're too old for that.
Speaker 1: Dumb, shit, right you spoke.
Speaker 3: Old On where DO i want to go? There AND
Speaker 3: i don't want to go?
Speaker 6: There talk to me about the one time you guys
Speaker 6: are finishing up the season Against, miami right and you're
Speaker 6: going to see him in the first round of the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Exactly we're playing In miami and we're rolling at this.
Speaker 5: Time the system is system is really playing for. Itself
Speaker 5: and that's the cool part about the. System once you
Speaker 5: get into, it you just come to. Games, man you
Speaker 5: done did it so much and its. Flows so we're
Speaker 5: going to shoot around and we're leaving shoot around and
Speaker 5: we're on the bus and THEM ja, like, man drop
Speaker 5: me off here and drop him off at the bar and,
Speaker 5: say you're gonna have some, beers, right, huh say you're
Speaker 5: gonna have some. Beers, okay gonna have some. Beers so
Speaker 5: he tells us to pick him up on the way
Speaker 5: back to the.
Speaker 4: Game we pick him.
Speaker 5: Up he still got his sweats, on you know him
Speaker 5: j come the game suited and boot it all, right
Speaker 5: still got his sweats.
Speaker 4: On pick us. Up he get on the. Bath, yeah,
Speaker 4: Man i'm feeling. Good, Right bubbly gets.
Speaker 5: Me at a beer on, him got thirty at half all,
Speaker 5: right going through warm.
Speaker 4: Ups, Man i'm seeing three. Rams i'm gonna shoot that
Speaker 4: to one in the.
Speaker 5: Middle, okay that's, hard, okay and then told us if
Speaker 5: y'all can't beat, him we don't need to win a.
Speaker 5: Championship y'all could beat him without. Me but came in
Speaker 5: there and he got it done hurly and went set.
Speaker 4: Down, okay rush, fresh, win set.
Speaker 1: Down that's.
Speaker 6: Why that's the kind of, Shit not that it bothers
Speaker 6: me What dallas's management is trying to Portray luca ass
Speaker 6: like we aren't grown man and can handle what we
Speaker 6: need to do to their man because they think he
Speaker 6: smokes hookah and drinks be it like if you knew
Speaker 6: what motherfucker was really doing and still going out there
Speaker 6: and being professionals Like and.
Speaker 5: That's the crazy part is they know. It ain't you,
Speaker 5: know they can they can play it all, right they.
Speaker 5: Don't you don't you paying the amount of money you're
Speaker 5: investing to know what these cats are. Doing so you,
Speaker 5: know as well as anybody's just a matter that now
Speaker 5: you want to you want to.
Speaker 4: Use that as a means of the reason you got
Speaker 4: rid of them or.
Speaker 5: Whatever but it's sickning, man it's you, know it's the
Speaker 5: same Old you control the, media so you can control
Speaker 5: the narrative.
Speaker 6: Degree let's talk about you talking To magic And michael
Speaker 6: about sitting out.
Speaker 5: Right that was our nineteen ninety one championship and you
Speaker 5: know The Rodney king stuff that went, down and we
Speaker 5: man we had and it was TWENTY i think twenty.
Speaker 4: One or the twenty four athletes is Us.
Speaker 5: And you KNOW i harkened back TO i brought to
Speaker 5: them that in nineteen sixty. Three that's how we got
Speaker 5: a union is by us boycotting at.
Speaker 6: The playoffs on Keep your thought was this them together, separately. Separately,
Speaker 6: Okay so you talk To mike and then you talk
Speaker 6: To man.
Speaker 4: Exactly AND MJ i spoke to him before.
Speaker 5: PRACTICE i was, like, dude if we boycott this first,
Speaker 5: game how much action they're gonna have to do for,
Speaker 5: us whether it be in the front, office whether it
Speaker 5: be in, ownership they're gonna have to make some. Concessions
Speaker 5: and me knowing studying The All star weekend and how
Speaker 5: the union came. About When Jerry west and Elgend bale
Speaker 5: and the brother say we ain't gonna, play concessions were made.
Speaker 4: So that game could go. On same thing would.
Speaker 5: Happen y'all, know if twenty minutes on the, clock The
Speaker 5: lakers and don't come out in the, Court bulls don't
Speaker 5: come out in the. Court the media is, saying, oh they're,
Speaker 5: playing they're playing mental.
Speaker 4: Games eighteen on the. Clock somebody from the organization is
Speaker 4: coming down at what's going. On twenty one or twenty
Speaker 4: four four athletes can, say we're not gonna plan until
Speaker 4: we get some.
Speaker 5: Concessions concession's gonna be made right. Away magic said it
Speaker 5: was too. SEVERE mj said he wasn't doing.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 5: Okay my thing was. Okay HAD i had the mindset,
Speaker 5: NOW i wouldn't have.
Speaker 4: Played you feel, Me BUT i wasn't.
Speaker 5: Thinking once, again me thinking and the collective not me,
Speaker 5: thinking that we're gonna step out.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 4: Now we went to The White, house it was a different.
Speaker 4: Thing we hear and this is WHAT i gotta. Do
Speaker 4: you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: SAYING i gotta be on because ain't nobody else gonna bring,
Speaker 5: This SO i gotta make SURE i get delivered as
Speaker 5: message that needs to be delivered and should have been
Speaker 5: delivered a long time. AGO i gotta make SURE i
Speaker 5: give it to you so you can say you got.
Speaker 5: It and he put on a historical.
Speaker 3: Record talk to us about what that message was and what.
Speaker 5: You did well once we won a. Championship this is
Speaker 5: the ninety one ship first. Championship, okay well we lost In,
Speaker 5: Detroit douglas, coach we crowned like, babies, Man And i'm,
Speaker 5: like you know. What it hit me sometime during the
Speaker 5: season that we need ancestral help on this, thing that
Speaker 5: we ain't got enough heart right. Now SO i, Said
Speaker 5: i'm gonna Wear.
Speaker 4: DASHIKI'S i Wore dashiki for every playoff, game.
Speaker 1: You know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying and for, me it was a thing that this
Speaker 5: is our cultural. Heritage and when we went to The
Speaker 5: White house after, WINNING i warned them the whole time
Speaker 5: to the, point you, know we are people in the front,
Speaker 5: office how did you win A dashika?
Speaker 4: Tonight?
Speaker 5: MAN i got enough of these for the whole. Year Bro,
Speaker 5: Okay so let's. Roll we gonna we got, this so
Speaker 5: everybody looking for.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 5: Now when we go to The White house AND i
Speaker 5: Wear dashiki to The White house and the national media is,
Speaker 5: there it's a different, project all. Right, likewise WHEN i get,
Speaker 5: THERE i wrote a letter the night, before and the
Speaker 5: crazy part with, That i'm playing ping pong with my
Speaker 5: boy and it hits, me, man you better write that.
Speaker 5: Letter And i'm, thinking when it hit, ME i was
Speaker 5: HARKing back to WHEN i was in sixth, grade, man
Speaker 5: AND i was writing a letter to the. Mayor you hear,
Speaker 5: Me WHEN i was in, College i'm writing a letter
Speaker 5: to the congress, people And i'm, like you're.
Speaker 4: Going to the most important time in your, life sit
Speaker 4: you but down and.
Speaker 5: Write and the thing that for, me it was about
Speaker 5: us getting a chance to go with Special.
Speaker 4: Yes, lord you got. IT i told. HIM i told.
Speaker 4: HIM i told, him, yeah. Yeah, violation, violation.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah shot clock. Violation.
Speaker 6: Man, see you're, right you're writing this. Letter you headed
Speaker 6: to The White house the next. Day what's this letter consist.
Speaker 5: Of it's mainly asking the president to consider the issue
Speaker 5: as the poor, people you, Know i'm getting a chance
Speaker 5: to come to this great, edifice you, know and just
Speaker 5: to see the, power you, know and being a descendant
Speaker 5: of a former, SLAVE i would like you to consider
Speaker 5: the issues of poor people and people of color the
Speaker 5: same way you consider foreign. Policy you feel me and
Speaker 5: everybody took it as meaning, that, OH i.
Speaker 4: Wrote a letter a. Militant, LOOK i ain't never had no.
Speaker 4: WEAPONS i don't own no. GUNS i ain't never had no.
Speaker 5: GUN i shot A bb gun WHEN i was in
Speaker 5: sixth grade AND i shot a bird in the eye
Speaker 5: AND i looked at that AND i shot that bird
Speaker 5: and eye that bird failed on my, feet AND i started,
Speaker 5: crying AND i took that gun apart and threw it
Speaker 5: every PLACE i, could AND i, said that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4: Again so for, me it ain't about being a.
Speaker 5: Militant it's about being able to stand on the principles
Speaker 5: THAT i was taught about and knowing that my hero
Speaker 5: Is Doctor king From, afar you, know and THEN i
Speaker 5: got to learn About. Malcolm BUT i vibe On Doctor
Speaker 5: king BECAUSE i don't like, violence.
Speaker 4: You, know AND i feel like there's no reason for.
Speaker 5: It the only reason for it is greed more than
Speaker 5: anything that those who have the ability and power to
Speaker 5: make weapons of. War it's about, greed it's not about.
Speaker 5: People and we can we can talk all of this
Speaker 5: we want. To but the reality for me was knowing
Speaker 5: That i'm getting a chance to go to The White.
Speaker 5: HOUSE i might not get a chance to come.
Speaker 4: Here we, know you win one, championship you don't know
Speaker 4: if you're gonna win, again.
Speaker 5: And to get a chance to go to let the
Speaker 5: president know, that you, know could you consider our?
Speaker 4: Issues and he was cool as a. Fan.
Speaker 3: Man you handed him this.
Speaker 4: Note, NO i couldn't hand it to.
Speaker 5: Him WHEN i GOT i told Her Tim hallian moves
Speaker 5: our press, PERSON i, SAID i wrote the president. Letter
Speaker 5: and then when he got, there he told him that
Speaker 5: one of our players has a letter you want to
Speaker 5: give to the, president but you can't hand him anything,
Speaker 5: direct you. Know SO i gave it to his press.
Speaker 5: Secretary but it's part of the library down In.
Speaker 1: Dallas so, man a lot of people don't.
Speaker 2: Know they wasn't offended by are worried about you putting
Speaker 2: people together and going shoot. People they was used to
Speaker 2: that you were shooting with your, mind and that's that's
Speaker 2: what offended There that's what they was worried.
Speaker 5: About and you know the crazy part that you say, that,
Speaker 5: man is that When i'm, Playing i'm communicating with. People,
Speaker 5: i'm LIKE i, Said i'm a talker AND i get
Speaker 5: excited about. Info so IF i get some information, Today
Speaker 5: i'm gonna try to share with.
Speaker 4: Y'all you feel me in.
Speaker 5: That and my, teammates The John paxton tell you trying
Speaker 5: to be like, Man hodge wasn't being preachy or. Nothing
Speaker 5: he was just wanting to share his info with, us
Speaker 5: and we was cool with him sharing it with. Us
Speaker 5: but when it comes to that information being being able
Speaker 5: to affect the bottom line or, something, right then it
Speaker 5: becomes a. Problem, right you know What i'm, Saying LIKE
Speaker 5: i tell y'all, Something remember when when the brothers were
Speaker 5: we IN i can't breathe, church all, Right we don't
Speaker 5: realize how much power we had right.
Speaker 1: Then we didn't me and you was in the. Field
Speaker 1: we was in the, field.
Speaker 5: Yes sell you In, chicago and it was it was
Speaker 5: wild to me to see how much how worried they
Speaker 5: were when they saw when they saw brothers with shirts
Speaker 5: talking ABOUT i can't breathe with them shirts on in their.
Speaker 5: Uniforms but have we said we're not taking these shirts
Speaker 5: off to show these uniforms until changes are.
Speaker 4: Made but the, bubble why did we? Go why did
Speaker 4: we go to the?
Speaker 5: Bubble AND i told people, THIS i, said regardless of
Speaker 5: what we want to look, at we have to realize
Speaker 5: how important THE nba is to the bottom line of.
Speaker 4: Economics all, RIGHT.
Speaker 5: Covid didn't start until old boy From utah started talking
Speaker 5: crazy with the.
Speaker 6: Mic THE nba shut the world down when it when,
Speaker 6: It when it went, down everything else followed and suit now.
Speaker 5: The crazy part, this this is a, funny funny part from.
Speaker 4: Me was the funny part for me was when we
Speaker 4: went into the. Bubble what did the bubble look like to?
Speaker 4: You you know what the bubble look like to? Me
Speaker 4: a video? Game it's a video.
Speaker 5: Game SO i, said, okay let's look at it like this.
Speaker 5: One if we can't get fans in the, stands we
Speaker 5: can get fans on our video. Games so we're gonna
Speaker 5: make this look it's much like a video, game and
Speaker 5: we're gonna get as many people on white two k's
Speaker 5: we can because we got to continue to make this bread.
Speaker 4: Out we can make this, bread y'all and it's. Cool it's.
Speaker 5: Cool so like with, THIS i know a lot of
Speaker 5: people that know me right now when y'all show, this
Speaker 5: AND i don't know how much you're gonna, cut but
Speaker 5: they gonna get worried about this, part this part right,
Speaker 5: here because for, me they're gonna worry About hodges all.
Speaker 5: RIGHT a lot of people worry About hodges because Of hodge.
Speaker 1: SPEAK i love.
Speaker 4: IT i can't help. IT i can help it IF
Speaker 4: i Get muzzle to help.
Speaker 1: It you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying that shut it?
Speaker 3: Down.
Speaker 4: Boom ain't nothing happening.
Speaker 5: Then but other than, that if you're gonna sit and
Speaker 5: talk to, me we got to talk about the reality
Speaker 5: of where we are and the reality of why we are.
Speaker 4: Here see every psyche right, now.
Speaker 5: The thing that's affecting every single person on the planet.
Speaker 4: Is Elon musk right, now just by going THROUGH US
Speaker 4: A I D.
Speaker 5: United states, Right international. Development that's critical of, us that's.
Speaker 5: CRITICAL i love. THIS i love, that oh all, day all.
Speaker 5: Day we love, that and.
Speaker 4: It would and we didn't have to worry about these.
Speaker 4: Matters BUT i gotta worry about.
Speaker 5: Them the REASON i gotta worry about him because ninety
Speaker 5: nine point nine percent of my people are not studying.
Speaker 5: This they're not even conscious of what's getting ready to
Speaker 5: come down the.
Speaker 4: Pipe. Okay and that's the part for, me is that.
Speaker 5: We who are making these billions of dollars and millions of, dollars,
Speaker 5: y'all we're getting ready to have a most vital.
Speaker 4: Role we're gonna have.
Speaker 5: More so we gonna be able to put our money
Speaker 5: where our mouths. Are, Now, okay it ain't gonna be
Speaker 5: no thing where somebody gonna be able to, say you
Speaker 5: know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Getting back to the.
Speaker 5: Community, Okay, okay we're gonna, see we gonna, see we
Speaker 5: gonna see how much you're willing to give back when
Speaker 5: this thing goes down on the level that nobody.
Speaker 4: Has ever seen. Before All.
Speaker 5: Right the reason we ain't never seen it before is
Speaker 5: that we have never had the historical events that have
Speaker 5: happened In america happened In. America for, one have we
Speaker 5: ever been In america as black men and we set
Speaker 5: home and got?
Speaker 4: Paid? No did it happen IN Covid did it? Happen
Speaker 4: did we set at home and get? Paid? Never in?
Speaker 1: History?
Speaker 5: Right, okay we got we got Put look at this.
Speaker 4: The only people that are more brainwashed than. Us and
Speaker 4: maybe they're not because they're in their own. Land It's North.
Speaker 4: Korea we're the dumbest people on the. Planet you know.
Speaker 4: Why and it ain't, this ain't no This i'm talking about.
Speaker 4: ME i love being.
Speaker 5: Here my father was In Korean, war my uncles was In,
Speaker 5: vietnam my other uncles In.
Speaker 4: Germany SO i got tom you, know we got we
Speaker 4: got patriotic shit going on. Too but the patriotism from
Speaker 4: this end is one.
Speaker 5: THAT i gotta, work THAT i gotta do this, work
Speaker 5: and me doing the work has got to be able
Speaker 5: to tell to people who don't know and in these
Speaker 5: this right, here this medium was given for this moment in,
Speaker 5: time or we would not be sitting.
Speaker 4: There there ain't no, coincidences y'all. None so the.
Speaker 5: Fact that you've seeing my god, SON i was supposed
Speaker 5: to be In, frisco you're seeing all of this happens
Speaker 5: for a. Reason and the reason is more profound than
Speaker 5: we could ever think. About because the creative wrote the
Speaker 5: plan from the end till the, beginning and we're at this.
Speaker 5: Point but we can see by the markers in the.
Speaker 5: Sand we can see. It if you can't see. It
Speaker 5: if we can't check this, out if we can't see,
Speaker 5: it you don't want to see. It if you don't
Speaker 5: understand what TikTok, is you don't want to see, It black.
Speaker 5: Folks so WHEN i see my people battling on, TikTok
Speaker 5: that bothers. Me that bothers me because why are we
Speaker 5: battling for WHAT i thought we had? Grown so when
Speaker 5: we use these, mediums they have to come across with
Speaker 5: some positive things that are going to reconstruct our historical.
Speaker 5: Legacy it's been. Buried we got to reconstruct. It we
Speaker 5: gotta reinvigorate.
Speaker 4: It and we got to Recivilize, america Make america great. Again,
Speaker 4: okay when was it? Great not?
Speaker 1: Fuzz when was it?
Speaker 5: Great And i'm and let me say. Something and WHEN
Speaker 5: i say, That i'm not saying. That i'm saying that
Speaker 5: from give me that that mindset SO i will know
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i understand great over. HERE i had a great.
Speaker 5: CHILDHOOD i had a great poor. CHILDHOOD i had a
Speaker 5: great segregated childhood because we were taught to love one.
Speaker 4: Another and it wasn't no it takes the village to raise.
Speaker 1: It, no, no none of.
Speaker 4: That we was in the, hood and we were, neighbors
Speaker 4: so its.
Speaker 5: Neighborhood now they ain't don't nobody know their neighbor and
Speaker 5: don't care.
Speaker 4: To and That's. America and that's the problem with.
Speaker 1: Me is.
Speaker 5: That, Okay, craig you were taught you were blessed by
Speaker 5: your mom with a certain thing on her. Mind because
Speaker 5: your mother saw while she was nine seven six months,
Speaker 5: pregnant she saw dogs being sicked on her, people she
Speaker 5: saw pictures of people being. Lynched that was going through
Speaker 5: her to, Me, now what AM i supposed to do with?
Speaker 1: That just?
Speaker 5: Hoop just hoop, hoop is what they Tell, lebron shut
Speaker 5: up and.
Speaker 4: Dribble Whoa how cold was? That how cold was?
Speaker 5: That and the cold part of it is how many
Speaker 5: people think about us like that was lot in so many,
Speaker 5: circles in so many circles are saw we are seeing
Speaker 5: as a tool of, oppression.
Speaker 4: A medium to keep.
Speaker 5: Us looking at goals that are. Unattainable in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 5: eight WHEN i graduated from high, school they said one
Speaker 5: in fifty two thousand children had a chance to be
Speaker 5: a professional athlete on any. Level that's nineteen seventy. Eight
Speaker 5: what is it now with the.
Speaker 4: Internet you feel. Me your, sons your, twins they got. It,
Speaker 4: man how many they got to battle?
Speaker 5: Against you, Know so when we look at this and
Speaker 5: you Know i'm to, ramble not to, ramble but once,
Speaker 5: again LIKE i, said y'all invited. ME i thank y'all
Speaker 5: and to be able to get this out off of my,
Speaker 5: chest you feel.
Speaker 4: Me because of, consequences people, say, man what? Man that
Speaker 4: jump shot at The White? House that cost me fifty?
Speaker 4: Million fifty?
Speaker 5: Million at least we ain't even talk about investment capital
Speaker 5: IF i can get IF i get a million AND
Speaker 5: i buy a million in.
Speaker 4: Gold but it.
Speaker 5: Ain't John, carlos one of my, heroes had a chance
Speaker 5: to talk to and to know what he went.
Speaker 4: Through wife so despondent.
Speaker 5: Commit suicide after nineteen sixty, eight and his brother ran
Speaker 5: his best win for the, country but stood for his people.
Speaker 5: Too and, see and then it becomes the, thing are We?
Speaker 5: Americans are We? Americans SHOULD i get backlash for being
Speaker 5: able to tell what y'all taught? Me y'all, say go to,
Speaker 5: school read, learn, RIGHT i go to, school read interpret
Speaker 5: WHAT i read in a certain, manner go out and
Speaker 5: live my life in that manner THAT i read and
Speaker 5: that y'all said was cool Because i'm. Free but then
Speaker 5: it becomes a problem because now WHEN i say and
Speaker 5: write a letter to the president at thirty two years of,
Speaker 5: AGE i can't get an agent to represent me in
Speaker 5: a union that is supposed to represent. Us Charlie, granther
Speaker 5: who's the head of the union at the, time WHEN
Speaker 5: i go to The White, house he tells, Me, craig
Speaker 5: we have to find an agent that a team owes
Speaker 5: a favor so they'll know that you're not a bad.
Speaker 5: Guy AND i, Quote i'll never forget. That And i'm, Like,
Speaker 5: charlie WHAT i do?
Speaker 4: WRONG i won Two world.
Speaker 5: CHAMPIONSHIPS i got three consecutive three titles right now in my,
Speaker 5: pocket AND i can't get a.
Speaker 4: Job what DID i? Do i've never been fined Since
Speaker 4: i've been in the.
Speaker 5: LEAGUE i never missed a. BUS i was playing a
Speaker 5: rep as a. Rookie that's unheard. Of i've been playing
Speaker 5: rep for every TEAM i played. For where is the
Speaker 5: badness in? That once, again those who control the. Narrative
Speaker 5: so the narrative of me going to The White house
Speaker 5: in this, manner me having the audacity to write the
Speaker 5: president of a, letter which until probably five or six years,
Speaker 5: ago nobody asked.
Speaker 4: Me what was in the? Letter, no, yo, man what
Speaker 4: did you?
Speaker 1: Write?
Speaker 4: THEN i look at MY i look At Colin, kaepernick
Speaker 4: the position that he. Took the union made concessions for
Speaker 4: him to get a. Workout at least if that had
Speaker 4: told me to come work, OUT, iu it wudn't worked out. Anywhere.
Speaker 4: Stuff you feel me wrong? ANYWHERE i don't. Care bring y'all.
Speaker 4: Do this is WHAT i want to. DO i ain't
Speaker 4: gonna have no demands on Who i'm going to need
Speaker 4: here to just work. Out, no let me go work,
Speaker 4: out because this is What i'll.
Speaker 5: Do and y'all taking away from me the ability to
Speaker 5: earn a living for my family and the generations. Thereof
Speaker 5: and All i'm saying is to, commissioner should he see,
Speaker 5: this to all those who were his underlings or in
Speaker 5: this social justice or.
Speaker 4: WHATEVER i ain't got no.
Speaker 5: ANIMOSITY i got, love AND i got love and energy
Speaker 5: for this knowledge base and what my ancestors went. Through
Speaker 5: SO i vibe on. That so when y'all see, this
Speaker 5: this is me. Hooping now you feel my hoop is my.
Speaker 5: Research my research is being able to make sure that
Speaker 5: if somebody has some questions about, This i'm able to
Speaker 5: at least give a valid, answer and IF i, Can't
Speaker 5: i'm going to research and find. It so next time
Speaker 5: you see, Me i'm gonna have to answer for, you,
Speaker 5: bro so that we can move forward from wherever you
Speaker 5: stuck on trying to figure out whatever it. Is we
Speaker 5: can find the answer for it if we sit down
Speaker 5: and we unite.
Speaker 4: Ourselves there's already. Done sorry to round brothers.
Speaker 2: Enjoining. It that's the free GAME i. WANTED i don't
Speaker 2: even KNOW i was about To where do we go from?
Speaker 2: There DAMN i had a question for. You damn.
Speaker 6: It that's, LIKE i take you a step, back, OLD
Speaker 6: i gotta remember this. QUESTION i got to give me
Speaker 6: a come. Around, yeah give me a.
Speaker 2: Second during that time WHEN i seen you In, chicago
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts OF i.
Speaker 4: Was so scared for. You you don't know SCARED i
Speaker 4: was for, You.
Speaker 1: BRO i think he told me that you.
Speaker 4: Don't know SCARED i was for, you all?
Speaker 5: Right and it was some sisters standing, THERE i, say,
Speaker 5: says look up. There have you ever seen anything like?
Speaker 5: That where you standing in?
Speaker 4: Here we is on the west, side right, yeap, okay
Speaker 4: west side west. Side, now no quasi west. Side that's.
Speaker 2: Regentrificating, no, okay somebody that just got killed a couple
Speaker 2: of days.
Speaker 5: Before We, now, bro let me show you something. Sad
Speaker 5: see one thing about. Me i've been talked by some
Speaker 5: great brothers on just little, things. Okay and the first
Speaker 5: THING i do, IS i, Look, Okay i'm looking where
Speaker 5: you're getting ready to come.
Speaker 4: Into what do we see? Around?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 3: Home?
Speaker 4: Girl let me ask you. Something, says look over there
Speaker 4: and look upstairs over? There what you?
Speaker 1: See she?
Speaker 4: Said, hey that's? WEIRD i, say what's weird about?
Speaker 1: It she?
Speaker 4: Said why is? It two white men standing up there
Speaker 4: in that?
Speaker 1: Window?
Speaker 4: Okay all? Right now five minutes later a suit show
Speaker 4: up in the window that. Day, Okay NOW i know
Speaker 4: this THOUGH.
Speaker 5: I know, THIS i KNOW i work for you feel.
Speaker 5: ME i KNOW i work for and it ain't even
Speaker 5: know it's.
Speaker 4: Cool so now WHEN i see, Him i'll let them
Speaker 4: SEE i see.
Speaker 5: Him me and my boy we walk over there and
Speaker 5: we look up at.
Speaker 4: Him, yeah we see y'all.
Speaker 5: Gone, back, okay and see all of this is, chaos,
Speaker 5: Bro all of this is, chaos all, right Understand, chicago
Speaker 5: take it for what it's worth and then watching take
Speaker 5: it for what it's. Worth BUT i know at that
Speaker 5: point in time the way y'all was, moving y'all was.
Speaker 5: Moving y'all was, moving AND i was worried about our.
Speaker 4: Heart y'all was. Moving you follow, me not not worried.
Speaker 5: About the final, result but my people who are standing
Speaker 5: on something that may be in harm's, way because, man
Speaker 5: it's no other way but to do.
Speaker 1: It AND i had no. CLUE i was blind to
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 4: Stuff but see once, again.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: That whole, move, bro you have heard Of George.
Speaker 5: Soros, Yes, okay, study we just had to study the
Speaker 5: bottom line that they taught.
Speaker 4: Us you know what they taught. Us the lesson they
Speaker 4: taught us best one lesson followed the. Money it's gonna tell.
Speaker 4: You it's gonna tell.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 4: Okay everybody who is big has a original.
Speaker 5: Backer, okay THEN i go operate outside of. That, okay
Speaker 5: you can find it out if you want to look at.
Speaker 4: It hid To OPRAH. Rv, Grifflin michael Brother. Night, okay
Speaker 4: look at these m Hm now our Operational.
Speaker 5: DO i operate outside of that ONCE i get that,
Speaker 5: big or DO i still HAVE i got To, okay
Speaker 5: what you want to, do all? Right and that's where
Speaker 5: we are right, now is, that, hey, Man and it's
Speaker 5: a fear. Factor, Fear fear of speaking because your bread
Speaker 5: might stop.
Speaker 3: Flowing fear then of you.
Speaker 4: Speaking you know WHAT i heard WHEN i wasn't. Playing
Speaker 4: he can't play. Defense NBA's team. Defense ain't nobody stopping
Speaker 4: no one. Person he.
Speaker 5: Can't, OKAY i can't play d all, right what's the next?
Speaker 5: One what's what's the next? One what's the real?
Speaker 4: Reason i'm a locker room? Lawyer for? Real that's. That but,
Speaker 4: Okay i'm a locker room. Lawyer but do anybody shoot like?
Speaker 5: Me and that's that's the funny part about it to,
Speaker 5: me is that you, know we're talking about putting a
Speaker 5: ball in the.
Speaker 4: Basket that's, simplicity that's simplicity thinking about ways to change
Speaker 4: the condition of our. People. Mhm it ain't even it
Speaker 4: ain't even. Close it ain't even. Close that's WHY i say, basketball, man,
Speaker 4: please we can shoot all day and we know we
Speaker 4: know we're good over.
Speaker 5: Here children take, care, generations taking care of peace in the.
Speaker 4: World, man let's go. Hoop but until, that, man we
Speaker 4: gotta put in some. Study, time but in some study.
Speaker 1: Time that's WHY i.
Speaker 5: Felt like during THAT covid period he gave us the
Speaker 5: greatest opportunity to study and research, still, Man and, that's
Speaker 5: like you, say that's one of the hardest things for.
Speaker 5: It and in, wisdom, man in wisdom is to be
Speaker 5: able to sit still and know that anything that became
Speaker 5: great or moving towards greatness is done in. Patience you
Speaker 5: got to be, patient you, know be, patient be patient
Speaker 5: with the.
Speaker 4: Process you. Know and it's a. Process this is a.
Speaker 4: Process it's a process that y'all get this. Going it
Speaker 4: was basketball, first you know What i'm. Saying and then once.
Speaker 5: Again it began with a thought y'all brother sitting down somewhere,
Speaker 5: saying yea, man.
Speaker 4: We could do.
Speaker 5: That let's do that, shit and then pop off and
Speaker 5: all of a, sudden you got, staff you, hire got,
Speaker 5: people you're.
Speaker 4: Feeding people were able to, say, Man i'm with.
Speaker 5: Them that is Powerful and that's the part that it's
Speaker 5: so needed and necessary for this next generation to see
Speaker 5: that is more than me going to jack, somebody me
Speaker 5: selling this or me selling. That we have become such
Speaker 5: a transactional people THAT i got to get to next
Speaker 5: hit as opposed to being a, transition that it's a
Speaker 5: transitional mindset That i'm going from this point And i'm
Speaker 5: gonna be at this point And i'm gonna be solid
Speaker 5: at this point and being able to look back and, say,
Speaker 5: Damn i'm a professional. Now AND i tell people it's
Speaker 5: a bed when they put that pro whether you be
Speaker 5: a lawyer or, doctor, whatever when they put that pro
Speaker 5: in front of your, nation you didn't did some. Stuff
Speaker 5: you didn't put in some, work and you've been patient
Speaker 5: with the process to get.
Speaker 4: There and so many of us.
Speaker 5: Are and that's WHAT i tell like my baby, boy
Speaker 5: AND i love it that he totally anti. TikTok all
Speaker 5: that he about researching his music is GoF he's doing,
Speaker 5: That And i'm, like, kudos, bro because as long as you,
Speaker 5: continue you, KNOW i love messing. Words you, know knowledge two,
Speaker 5: words no.
Speaker 4: Ledge as long As i'm Thinking i'm going, up ain't
Speaker 4: gonna father. Off ain't no.
Speaker 5: Ledge so as long as we working and, STUDYING i
Speaker 5: ain't gonna fall ain't no How because.
Speaker 4: The hard the thing that you, know when you, play you,
Speaker 4: playing you're, playing somebody just bust you. Up and then
Speaker 4: you do. This you feel me ain't not no thoughts down.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: Man once you look, up the whole world.
Speaker 6: Change so, basically that letter to the president changed your
Speaker 6: life and your, career no.
Speaker 5: QUESTION i went from being the eighth player on the
Speaker 5: team and minute score and minutes play and points scored
Speaker 5: to the last player on the team and still won
Speaker 5: another three point.
Speaker 6: Title but you also told me after the, fact a
Speaker 6: lot of your brothers or former colleagues told you they
Speaker 6: felt bad because they left, you no, doubt oh by. Yourself,
Speaker 6: yes that explain. That and if you want to share
Speaker 6: name school if, Not but what did that mean to
Speaker 6: you after the.
Speaker 5: Fact, yeah it's one of those things where and once
Speaker 5: again it's the realization that we were where we were
Speaker 5: at that time nineteen ninety. ONE i was thirty one years,
Speaker 5: old you know What i'm. Saying and some the young
Speaker 5: brothers THAT i was talking today is in their, twenties,
Speaker 5: man and not having done the research or. Whatever SO, i,
Speaker 5: MAN i appreciate the. APOLOGY i appreciate all of. That i'm,
Speaker 5: not you, know not That i'm looking forward to, anything
Speaker 5: but knowing that now in your, wisdom you're seeing, it
Speaker 5: and you're seeing it for what it was that a
Speaker 5: brother was trying to share information with, you and the
Speaker 5: same information THAT i was sharing to you back.
Speaker 4: Then now you on it, now and you on. It
Speaker 4: you know What i'm, saying to the point where you.
Speaker 5: Call me and, man excited about, stuff And i'm, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: brother right, Ho i'm. Glad i'm glad you moving because
Speaker 5: that's what it, is, man is to be able to
Speaker 5: get information and keep moving in it and not get.
Speaker 5: Stuck but at the same time knowing that how much
Speaker 5: how much could we have done with that, time during
Speaker 5: that period of time had we got on board.
Speaker 4: With the info that we was talking. About and for,
Speaker 4: me it's, like, Okay i'm not not once, Again i'm
Speaker 4: a child of the most.
Speaker 5: Time, MAN i ain't trying to be no none of.
Speaker 5: No i'll try me as me and that's ALL i
Speaker 5: can is.
Speaker 4: Me So i'm. NOT i love researching AND i love
Speaker 4: to be able.
Speaker 5: To shed that information BECAUSE i know it's gonna be
Speaker 5: needed and necessary in the next couple of. Days so
Speaker 5: that when our people look and, say how the hell
Speaker 5: did we get where we're, at somebody gonna be able
Speaker 5: to tell. Them, yo let me show y'all. This, okay
Speaker 5: it started back. Here, okay we're going on the gold
Speaker 5: standard just so y'all. Know, okay so that nineteen seventy
Speaker 5: one When nixon took us off the gold standard is coming,
Speaker 5: back all. Right so all this stuff you see With
Speaker 5: trump And Elon musk and, man it's the wild. Part
Speaker 5: everybody he picked on his staff is. Billionaires all. Right
Speaker 5: one THING i had to give them credit.
Speaker 4: For they know how to move these, things all. Right
Speaker 4: now this other THING i gotta tell you on the
Speaker 4: flip side of, that.
Speaker 5: If you're a billionaire In america, today you just stepped
Speaker 5: on a bunch of.
Speaker 4: People, okay you didn't do it the right.
Speaker 1: Way yeah you didn't.
Speaker 5: That now you can be feeling. Flopping, Now i'm a,
Speaker 5: humanitary and it's. Money how billionaires get? Billionaires humanitarian?
Speaker 4: Awards come on in, here, Oh. Joey, yeah he did
Speaker 4: a great.
Speaker 5: Job he gave a million, dollars but he just made
Speaker 5: four billion off of poor people In asia Or.
Speaker 4: Africa you. Know so things are. Flipping things are, flipping
Speaker 4: and it's flipping for the better because people who have
Speaker 4: heretofore had minerals, underfoot they have not been able to
Speaker 4: get him from under their.
Speaker 5: Feet and now it's a different. World it's a different
Speaker 5: day In. America regardless to how bright we may make this,
Speaker 5: thing we've been very bad to the, neighbors whether it
Speaker 5: be here or broad and now not Like malcolm, said
Speaker 5: chicken someon on the, roofs but we better get ready
Speaker 5: for some rough times as far as, economics because the
Speaker 5: dollar compared to other currencies is.
Speaker 4: Going to go to the opposite direction and we got
Speaker 4: to be ready for.
Speaker 2: It the revolution to televised, now, WOW i. THINK i,
Speaker 2: mean we talk about Our, tom But, kendrick that was
Speaker 2: bigger Than. Drake if you paid attention to it was
Speaker 2: way bigger Than.
Speaker 5: Drake and that's the part where you, know that's WHERE
Speaker 5: i feel like the beefing part comes in so that
Speaker 5: you won't see.
Speaker 1: That that's Exactly that's WHY i said that it was it.
Speaker 2: Was drake was a small part of if you look at,
Speaker 2: it if you knew what he, was all the stuff
Speaker 2: that he was talking about in that, Performance drake was
Speaker 2: a very small part of.
Speaker 6: It you were able to get one more championship in ninety,
Speaker 6: two and then you were way released and then you
Speaker 6: sue THE nba in ninety.
Speaker 3: Six can you share what that was.
Speaker 1: About, yeah it.
Speaker 4: Was SO i get a.
Speaker 5: Call i've been Calling commissioner's office and at that, time
Speaker 5: the the head security guy Was Horace. Bomber And horace
Speaker 5: calls me back, LIKE i ain't did shit?
Speaker 4: Wrong what you calling?
Speaker 5: Me i'm calling to see what's going. ON i was
Speaker 5: calling it as the. Commissioner why AM i being stole all?
Speaker 5: That every TIME i can't get an, AGENT i can't
Speaker 5: get a team to talk to. Me Text, winner who
Speaker 5: had and worked in the league For damnar forty. Years
Speaker 5: every team he, called don't, darting nobody call him. Back
Speaker 5: and he, said this is the first Time craig and
Speaker 5: my career THAT i didn't call teams on the player
Speaker 5: behalf and they ain't even call me. Back so he
Speaker 5: suggested to, Me, craig is time for you to start.
Speaker 5: Coaching so at that point in, TIME i called the
Speaker 5: league to ask, him, yo, man what's going? On And
Speaker 5: horace calls me back And i'm, Like, yo what you
Speaker 5: calling me? For, Well i'm trying to find out what's going.
Speaker 5: On i'm, LIKE i just want to find out Why
Speaker 5: i'm being, stonewalled and he was, like, well it ain't
Speaker 5: nothing like.
Speaker 4: THAT i.
Speaker 5: WILL i, say, WELL i need to give me an,
Speaker 5: attorney and he was, like, well you don't need to do,
Speaker 5: that and then the phone clicked AND i was like.
Speaker 5: Okay so at that point in, TIME i decided to
Speaker 5: get an. Attorney, now the brother THAT i GETS i
Speaker 5: get out Of, chicago name Was David. Odham didn't realize
Speaker 5: at that time he was trying to do things with
Speaker 5: the league and as far as represent.
Speaker 4: Players all, Right SO i never got A Dan court all.
Speaker 5: Right even THOUGH i was in under litigation FOR i
Speaker 5: guess almost two years or, WHATEVER i never went to
Speaker 5: court and it was finally dismissed because the statue of
Speaker 5: limitations for racial discriminate racial discrimination claim is two years,
Speaker 5: now in nineteen ninety, Two june nineteen ninety, two going
Speaker 5: in the, championship, right we're in, Layups i'm an active.
Speaker 5: Player soon as that season was, OVER i had to
Speaker 5: file that suit that day or the clock started.
Speaker 4: Ticking you didn't, KNOW i didn't.
Speaker 1: Know you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying so once, again and you know, what the response
Speaker 4: to me on that one was just because you're ignorant to,
Speaker 4: it don't make you immune to.
Speaker 1: It And i'm, like, Cool i'm.
Speaker 6: Good, nah, no, mm let's get back BEFORE i want
Speaker 6: to obviously touch on you're giving so much gems on
Speaker 6: the on the dark, side but you are a three times.
Speaker 6: Champ talk to us about that three point contest and
Speaker 6: why it was the fourth time three in a, row.
Speaker 5: Three in a, row and then the fourth TIME i didn't.
Speaker 5: Win the fourth time the last TIME i got to,
Speaker 5: GO i wasn't with a team and they let me.
Speaker 1: Participate he's a four time. Champ.
Speaker 6: Yeah so so with, that no one else has ever
Speaker 6: done it IN nba, history and yet no one really
Speaker 6: knows that, either.
Speaker 5: Right and that's you, KNOW i think part of it,
Speaker 5: is you, know the ability to you, Know Jim brown
Speaker 5: said to, me and love love him as.
Speaker 4: Well he told, me, say, man the.
Speaker 5: Professional sports teams control the. Media AND i was, like,
Speaker 5: Okay then you finally see it when you get. Older
Speaker 5: you see how certain certain teams have certain media people
Speaker 5: that they aligned to to get their message out or
Speaker 5: send out little debs or. Whatever and for, ME i
Speaker 5: think that that's what it bore down to that THE
Speaker 5: nba realized that WHAT i did at The White house or,
Speaker 5: whatever it wasn't in conjunction with what they. Wanted but
Speaker 5: at the same time it was one of the things
Speaker 5: that you can't deny What i've done as far as
Speaker 5: shooting of. Basketball you, know to this, DAY i don't
Speaker 5: think anybody competed in more three point contest THAN i.
Speaker 5: DID i lost probably the person, four you, know To,
Speaker 5: larry and THEN i Think Dale ellis might have, won
Speaker 5: and THEN i won my.
Speaker 4: Three but you, know it was one of those, things.
Speaker 5: Man for, me is just a competition of knowing that
Speaker 5: this is something THAT i love to do shoot the,
Speaker 5: ball but at the same time to be in a
Speaker 5: competition of, it that's pretty. Cool and to be able
Speaker 5: to put up some records and to be able to know,
Speaker 5: that you, know at that point in, time at a
Speaker 5: point in, HISTORY i could say THAT i was the
Speaker 5: best shoot on the. Planet, well for, me it's three
Speaker 5: parts of your. Shot, foundation form and follow. Through you
Speaker 5: know What i'm, saying and to be able to know
Speaker 5: how to rhythmically do, that to do it, off to,
Speaker 5: dribble to do it, off to catch to what are you?
Speaker 5: Looking one of the first THINGS i ask somebody is
Speaker 5: what are you looking at when you?
Speaker 4: Shoot you know What i'm?
Speaker 5: Saying so for, ME i look at probably six inches
Speaker 5: above the. Rim that's What i'm focused. On and if
Speaker 5: it's off, glass it's six inches off the, glass six
Speaker 5: inches above the rim off. Glass that every no ball
Speaker 5: can go in that rim unless it's at least whether
Speaker 5: you're duncan it or, not you got to have you
Speaker 5: got to have at least that much. Clearance so my
Speaker 5: thing is WHEN i hear people Say i'm looking at you,
Speaker 5: know young folks Saying i'm looking at the back of the.
Speaker 5: Rim you couldn't be looking at the back of the
Speaker 5: rim because you're not twelve feet, tall so you're looking
Speaker 5: under the. Rim so probably ninety percent of your shots
Speaker 5: are gonna hit front rim because your eye is focused
Speaker 5: and your ball is gonna go where your eye tells
Speaker 5: it to. Go SO i don't care who you shooting.
Speaker 5: With when you, look that's where your ball is gonna. Go,
Speaker 5: now whether, enough you put enough energy or, whatever that's
Speaker 5: what they all you're looking. At and that's the part
Speaker 5: WHERE i tell people in as far as how you plan,
Speaker 5: IS i was blessed to have. Text LIKE i, Said
Speaker 5: text taught me to play with a three foot cushion around,
Speaker 5: me and that at three FEET i don't care if
Speaker 5: you should kill. O'Neil IF i go into my. Jay
Speaker 5: by the time you react to, that it's gonna be
Speaker 5: too fucking.
Speaker 4: Late excuse My. French you know What i'm. Saying it's
Speaker 4: gonna be gone and you're gonna might.
Speaker 5: Might clap my hand or. Whatever but by that point
Speaker 5: my ball is already. Gone so in teaching, IT i teach,
Speaker 5: that you, know, foundation, form follow. THROUGH i can act
Speaker 5: say that When i'm. Shooting so WHEN i go into
Speaker 5: MY i like to shoot out of a two to
Speaker 5: foot jump stop you feel, Me So i'm hopping into
Speaker 5: my shot AS i go into.
Speaker 1: It that's.
Speaker 5: Foundation i'm gonna say. That AS i go, Up i'm into,
Speaker 5: form and WHEN i, Finish i'm in to follow. Through
Speaker 5: and WHEN i say follow, through the ball that's coming
Speaker 5: through the net and it's. Nothing and when you teach
Speaker 5: children that get gases them because they swearing up and
Speaker 5: down that when they watch you, shoot that this is
Speaker 5: some type of magic.
Speaker 1: Trick.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: No and the way THAT i found the way THAT
Speaker 5: i teach that is that WHEN i was in a
Speaker 5: three point, competition one ball THAT i shot with a,
Speaker 5: moneyball it went through and WHEN i was watching the slow.
Speaker 5: Motion it had the same amount of space all the
Speaker 5: way around the. Rim so the ball was right in
Speaker 5: the center of the target and it was the same
Speaker 5: amount of space around. It SO i rewound that back
Speaker 5: to see WHAT i did on that particular.
Speaker 4: Shot and WHAT i. DID i brought it out the,
Speaker 4: RACK i went into my HOT i went into my,
Speaker 4: farm AND i went into my follow through AND i
Speaker 4: started saying it at that point and from you, know
Speaker 4: LIKE i, said for, me it's being able to like
Speaker 4: people will laugh when we will be watching Take WHEN
Speaker 4: i was with the, Bulls oh look at how over
Speaker 4: there He jones.
Speaker 5: And RIGHT mj would have a ball on the other
Speaker 5: side of the, court And i'm in this corner over
Speaker 5: here And i'm in my triple threat. Position go if,
Speaker 5: waiting if you get, it, man, man you know What i'm, saying.
Speaker 5: Man and so it's a picture with me and M.
Speaker 5: J and it's looking like he's talking in my ear
Speaker 5: and people, like, man what was he saying to? You,
Speaker 5: no this is WHAT i was saying to. Him give
Speaker 5: me the, ball, man you real.
Speaker 4: Me and that's because if you throw it over, here
Speaker 4: if you throw it over, here it's gonna be good
Speaker 4: eighty five to ninety percent of the time with our
Speaker 4: question That i'm not And i'm not gonna miss open
Speaker 4: that was that that ain't. Happened That, no now somebody
Speaker 4: running at, me maybe me coming off my tap too
Speaker 4: early and not getting got not getting this. Cocked and
Speaker 4: that's one of the things THAT i want you to
Speaker 4: tell your children, is, man this is so.
Speaker 3: CRITICAL i want you to teach.
Speaker 5: Them, yeah this is critical right, here that this happens so,
Speaker 5: much all, Right AND i call that rolling into your.
Speaker 5: Shot so we'll have people start here and you'll see
Speaker 5: them and when they finally get to the, top this.
Speaker 5: Happened AND i tell, them once you at the, top
Speaker 5: bring that. Down bring that. Down and now you're into
Speaker 5: your triple. Threat so if you watch, cold get that, THING,
Speaker 5: mj get that thing they on you feel. Me and
Speaker 5: now when you, turn it's already. There it's already. There
Speaker 5: you're already, loaded you know What i'm. Saying so being
Speaker 5: able to make sure that you work on that all the.
Speaker 5: Time you work on that all the, time you, know
Speaker 5: and that this here and once, again how DO i
Speaker 5: make sure THAT i minimize the of the amount of
Speaker 5: error that can.
Speaker 4: Occur all.
Speaker 5: Right ONCE i take this, out this can't. Happen so
Speaker 5: that's not gonna. Be that's not gonna be in my. Shot,
Speaker 5: LIKEWISE i want to make sure that when my ball,
Speaker 5: starts my ball never drops.
Speaker 4: Below my core. Ever.
Speaker 5: Ever i'm never bringing my ball down and take it. Up, never, never,
Speaker 5: never because when I'm i'm always gonna make sure that
Speaker 5: my core is beneath my.
Speaker 4: Ball my core is holding my, ball not my ball
Speaker 4: holding my.
Speaker 5: Core i'm underneath. It i'm underneath that thing every. Time
Speaker 5: so now this is a. Platform my core sets the
Speaker 5: platform for my, elbow and then we up and the
Speaker 5: way we're up and the way so on. Catch I'm
Speaker 5: i'm creating my rhythm off that, pass all. Right that
Speaker 5: rhythm off the pass is just like me off my.
Speaker 4: Dribble SO i go off my drill into my hot
Speaker 4: and by the time my feet come, down my wrist
Speaker 4: is cocked And i'm gone where a lot.
Speaker 5: Of people come down or people going to a one count.
Speaker 5: Stride stop you feel me If i'm playing against a
Speaker 5: person that has a one count, stride stop going left
Speaker 5: to right to. Shoot ONCE i can gauge That i'm
Speaker 5: not letting you get that right for full all, right
Speaker 5: we played Against Andrew, tony who's one of the greatest
Speaker 5: scores for The philadelphia seventy six. Ers we're playing them
Speaker 5: in the playoffs In, milwaukee and once, again you, Know
Speaker 5: nellie's stickler for. Tape so we watching tape and we
Speaker 5: watched him give The lakers thirty and it won't won't
Speaker 5: too wo.
Speaker 4: Man we were, like, oh that's all we gotta. Do,
Speaker 4: Man we ain't doing nothing but riding that right.
Speaker 5: Side every time he got ready to come to a,
Speaker 5: stop no jump on that right, arm and he oh.
Speaker 5: No because as, players we know what is our comfort.
Speaker 5: Zone you feel, me and If i'm going into a
Speaker 5: one count stride stop in the first quarter in the fourth,
Speaker 5: quarter it's not going to be nearly as strong with
Speaker 5: Us josslyn around and, Shit.
Speaker 6: So you're some one of the things the two foot
Speaker 6: is for the jump shooter is.
Speaker 1: Better, yeah and.
Speaker 4: It's another reason for it that IF i catch this thing.
Speaker 3: Off teach one not to cut you.
Speaker 6: OFF a lot of people teach the one too is too.
Speaker 4: Slow checked this, Out James. Brown we on the one
Speaker 4: with the hop you know you're on one. Two so
Speaker 4: how is that.
Speaker 5: Faster so WHEN i got with The clippers as a,
Speaker 5: rookie we're doing the turnout. Drill, Right i'm coming off
Speaker 5: this thing and my ball going to the rack so
Speaker 5: quick they can't figure it. Out everybody else is coming out.
Speaker 5: There one, Two i'm coming around there as that ball is.
Speaker 5: Coming i'm turning my end the. Shoulder let it. Go
Speaker 5: so it ain't, no it ain't no me turning WHEN
Speaker 5: i get the. Ball i'm already. Turning you feel. Me
Speaker 5: and that's the difference That i'm. Saying, okay, now IF
Speaker 5: i catch this ball and that camera is coming at
Speaker 5: me And i'm catching a one kind of stride, Stop
Speaker 5: i'm locked with my pivot foot. Man and the way
Speaker 5: these kids got these, TAPS i can tap and act
Speaker 5: Like i'm going into my, Hop i'm stilling in.
Speaker 4: IT i ain't stilling. Ready NOW i got my three
Speaker 4: feet and let it.
Speaker 5: Ride AND i tell, people you look at Step steph's
Speaker 5: not shooting that thing from forty feet off of one.
Speaker 4: Leg he's shooting that thing off a two foot.
Speaker 5: Jump stop is just happening so, quick and he's launching
Speaker 5: knowing that my follow three from forty is going.
Speaker 4: To be down. Here not up.
Speaker 5: Here so when he's shooting that thing and he finished in,
Speaker 5: time you're with. It And i'm telling, Kids i'm not
Speaker 5: leaving my. Shot i'm staying with it TILL i see
Speaker 5: the ball go through the. Net if my ball is
Speaker 5: bouncing around the, Rim i'm bouncing with.
Speaker 4: It i'm bouncing with. It i'm bouncing with it till it,
Speaker 4: fall and Then i'm done with.
Speaker 5: It never, never, never my eyes on that six inch.
Speaker 5: Point so WHEN i catch that thing And i'm ninety
Speaker 5: four feet away in full core, pressure my defense in
Speaker 5: front of, Me i'm still looking at that six inch.
Speaker 4: POINT i can see. You you feel. Me, now when
Speaker 4: you get up in, ME i gotta.
Speaker 5: TURN i might look at you for a, second But
Speaker 5: i'm back at my six inch point because that's WHERE
Speaker 5: i want this thing to finally.
Speaker 4: Go you feel. Me and the MORE i keep my
Speaker 4: head and eyes, up the MORE i can see.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 5: Early it's like going into a gun shot into a gunfight.
Speaker 5: Blindfolded so many kids come off of that jack do all,
Speaker 5: this and now you're raising.
Speaker 4: Up now you're trying to find your. Target all, RIGHT
Speaker 4: i find my.
Speaker 5: TARGET i find my, target and then like in the,
Speaker 5: league we, think, create.
Speaker 4: Eliminade ONCE i create my, SPACE i eliminate. Defender you feel,
Speaker 4: me create my three, feet eliminate, them create three, feet eliminated.
Speaker 4: Them catch off Catch if they're, there it's too. Late
Speaker 4: you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying and that's that's the part where it's all about
Speaker 5: putting in the practice and knowing, that trusting in the
Speaker 5: process of what you're. Doing, so like you, said how my,
Speaker 5: sons my oldest boy all time three point shooter At
Speaker 5: Long Beach state.
Speaker 4: When he was in high. School they're trying to tell
Speaker 4: him to shoot. Differently he. Came he's been doing this
Speaker 4: since he came out the roomb, Dude so they do
Speaker 4: you feel? Me don't try to change.
Speaker 5: It and the thing about it, IS i guarantee you
Speaker 5: if get them to look at them sites that we're talking,
Speaker 5: about all, right so, many so many children are still
Speaker 5: looking at rim or they Looking i'm looking at the
Speaker 5: hangar that, no no look at because ONCE i in the,
Speaker 5: RAY i found out THAT i taught. Myself that was
Speaker 5: WHEN i was growing up on the school. Ground the
Speaker 5: light would go down from the sun AND i could
Speaker 5: only shoot on this end where AND i was seeing
Speaker 5: nothing but the line because it wasn't on. Net SO
Speaker 5: i was just trying to put my ball over that,
Speaker 5: line over that, line over that, line over that, line.
Speaker 4: And not come. Out that line is six inches above your.
Speaker 5: Target and now it's all about training your eye where
Speaker 5: you're not looking at no. Rim i'm not looking at
Speaker 5: the rim no. More i'm looking at that point in.
Speaker 5: Space and if that ball goes on that, point that
Speaker 5: it's going. In and we know that two balls can
Speaker 5: fit in the basket at one, time so why SHOULD
Speaker 5: i miss?
Speaker 1: One m.
Speaker 2: Hmm were you in that three point contest when Lad bird,
Speaker 2: said h how y'all?
Speaker 1: Doing but who coming in? Second?
Speaker 4: This this that's the very first. One that's the, one
Speaker 4: that's the first one they ever.
Speaker 1: Had, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: So you know how they do THE. Nba you come
Speaker 5: to take the pictures and all. That you're getting ready
Speaker 5: to take the, pictures, right so everybody, Waiting No larry to.
Speaker 1: Come in right.
Speaker 4: Sitting, there sitting, there bust the dophin walk.
Speaker 5: Around you might do a little. Something, yeah, naw you
Speaker 5: ain't gonna. Know you shot yourself out of warm. Ups
Speaker 5: talking about Leon, wood he, said you shot yourself. Out,
Speaker 5: yeah who comes a, second let's take the picture.
Speaker 4: And then take off his sweat.
Speaker 1: Jacket, yeah he did not take his jacket.
Speaker 4: Off he takes jacket. Off BUT i tell, people where'd you?
Speaker 3: PLACE i came?
Speaker 4: In he beat? Me he beat me that, there he beat.
Speaker 4: Me actually the first, year.
Speaker 5: The very first, ROUND i set a. RECORD i made
Speaker 5: twenty five points in that very first. Round, ever then
Speaker 5: we went to the second round and me And Dale ellis,
Speaker 5: tie so we had to have a.
Speaker 4: Shootout that shootout got my. Legs and THEN i went
Speaker 4: to the finals And bertie got.
Speaker 5: Me but, yeah he's bird, talking AND i love it
Speaker 5: Because bertie talked and he backed, up you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying but at the same, time it was always a
Speaker 5: thing where a jump shooter would never, win AND i was, like, nah,
Speaker 5: Man i'm gona in.
Speaker 1: It at some.
Speaker 5: Point it's just LIKE i, said trust the process and
Speaker 5: stay with. It so every YEAR i THINK i might've
Speaker 5: been in the eight.
Speaker 4: Times you, know m.
Speaker 3: Favorite part about playing With mike.
Speaker 5: Knowing that every time you walk into arena it's gonna be,
Speaker 5: packed you know What i'm, Saying and it ain't no.
Speaker 5: Better y'all, know y'all, know and like and knowing that
Speaker 5: it was like with being being with the beatles of.
Speaker 5: Somebody man that every every place you, go we would
Speaker 5: drop him j off around the corner before we get to. Hotels,
Speaker 5: man he'd get in the white vand and come through
Speaker 5: the different hotel and we come bus pull up in
Speaker 5: front of the.
Speaker 4: Hotel three hundred people out there waiting for him to
Speaker 4: get off the.
Speaker 3: Bus ain't man, here.
Speaker 4: Y'all standing there waiting in, here, man you.
Speaker 5: Know SO i would they would laugh BECAUSE i would
Speaker 5: call him the, president you know What i'm. Saying BECAUSE
Speaker 5: i was, like, dude we were be in snowstorms flying
Speaker 5: we never we, never we never went around, ever.
Speaker 4: And it's like we ain't gonna fly.
Speaker 5: Around we got a national treasure on board the getting
Speaker 5: us out.
Speaker 6: There you feel, me please? Please what was he? LIKE
Speaker 6: i mean we saw a side on on the last.
Speaker 6: Dance what was?
Speaker 1: It what was he? Like day to?
Speaker 4: Day he mj was, different different cat. Man you Know
Speaker 4: and do you you've played? Around?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he different.
Speaker 4: Dude some day some days he be m, Jake he
Speaker 4: laugh and go. Lucky then there might be some business
Speaker 4: shit on his. Head you know What i'm. Saying he
Speaker 4: come in.
Speaker 5: Different but the one thing when he strapped him, up
Speaker 5: he was coming to get, down you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying AND i.
Speaker 5: Love that because that's the competition that we look, for
Speaker 5: is every day making each other. Better SO i told, people,
Speaker 5: yeah y'all see HIM j getting, Down that's Because i'm
Speaker 5: mak him better every, day you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying so it's one.
Speaker 5: Of those things that to and and to see how you,
Speaker 5: know you coming to the league and you'd be, like you,
Speaker 5: know getting your feet wet or, whatever and you see
Speaker 5: how some people come into or with a certain and
Speaker 5: they have the green light to do it. Too so you,
Speaker 5: know you HEAR mj tail Phil, man you know What i'm,
Speaker 5: saying where other people are, like oh.
Speaker 4: Man but it's one of.
Speaker 5: Them things where it's a certain level ground that he
Speaker 5: has compared to other, players and you know What i'm,
Speaker 5: saying and that it was a hierarchy to, it and
Speaker 5: he understood, that he understood what he brought to the,
Speaker 5: table what he brought to the, team what he brought
Speaker 5: to the, organization and what could what he could do with.
Speaker 5: That you know how much how many freebies he got from?
Speaker 4: That you know What i'm, saying driving free ferraris getting
Speaker 4: houses built for, you all that type of, Stuff so
Speaker 4: it's not you, know it was one of those things
Speaker 4: that he could handle, it and he handled, IT i
Speaker 4: guess as best as anybody, could because nobody ever been.
Speaker 4: There you know What i'm, saying.
Speaker 3: A favorite part about coaching code.
Speaker 5: Just to see how like you were, saying how in your,
Speaker 5: case how he saw how to help you get off
Speaker 5: when you didn't have it in your hand.
Speaker 4: Right and he told, me, say, man HOW i checked this.
Speaker 5: Out IF i can get everybody to play at their,
Speaker 5: greatest Not kobe, great but their, own ain't nobody gonna beat?
Speaker 5: Us and to, me that was something THAT i never
Speaker 5: would SEE. Mj do you feel me if you got
Speaker 5: better with? THEM, j you got, Better it wasn't never
Speaker 5: gonna be like man, brother Where cob would give you
Speaker 5: kudos if you getting better THAT i. Didn't you, KNOW
Speaker 5: i didn't see. THAT i didn't feel that with, HIM.
Speaker 5: J i was around, them And i've seen how many
Speaker 5: players went the other direction because of how you demoralized
Speaker 5: them with this, bravado you know What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying where it was not.
Speaker 5: Unnecessary you didn't have to do that to, that, brother
Speaker 5: because it's a. Dirt and that's the thing is that
Speaker 5: it's a dirt certain and different mentality and personality that
Speaker 5: we deal with. Too that some players are hardcore and
Speaker 5: can deal with, it but other players going to.
Speaker 4: Back up and you, know subside to.
Speaker 1: It quick.
Speaker 3: Hitters first team to come to.
Speaker 6: Mind let us, know rank your top Five chicago hoopers?
Speaker 4: Ever oh got top five hoopers In? Chicago?
Speaker 5: Ever Billy harris who you probably you. Know billy played
Speaker 5: At Northern. Illinois he was a great. SHOOTER i had
Speaker 5: to Put Ben wilson in.
Speaker 4: There And.
Speaker 5: Mitchell anderson played in the league For. Utah he averaged
Speaker 5: forty four game in my senior year in high. School
Speaker 5: isaiah and probably mm.
Speaker 4: Hmmm Quinn Buckner Wann. Buckner Quinn quinn might be number.
Speaker 4: One you. Know he was the number one high school
Speaker 4: football and basketball.
Speaker 3: Player he played both.
Speaker 4: Quarterback IN.
Speaker 1: Qb he was at WHEN i was playing for the.
Speaker 4: Place, yeah, man he Was indiana. Game he played football
Speaker 4: and Basketball. Indiana Tobobbi knight told me you had to.
Speaker 1: Quit. Yep he was like, that telling you man that.
Speaker 5: Man they high school, team Thorn Ridge High. School They
Speaker 5: quinn went to they lost one game in two. Years,
Speaker 5: okay they were their average scoring margin.
Speaker 4: Thirty points a.
Speaker 3: Game n smacking.
Speaker 5: People And i'm talking About i'm talking about where the
Speaker 5: high school, Team Bloom High. SCHOOL i sat there at
Speaker 5: half court and watched them play against Thorn. Ridge they
Speaker 5: got the ball across half court four times in one.
Speaker 5: Half they're gonna press, you, Man and it wasn't even,
Speaker 5: ball Wasn't eve getting across half.
Speaker 4: Court, man And quinn was in the middle PLAYING Qb.
Speaker 1: Crazy five dinner Against Dead.
Speaker 4: Alive ah uh, yeah sure the Christ. One uh Probably Muhammed.
Speaker 8: Mansimosa with Your Black man Ever Marcus, Garvey Marcus, garvey
Speaker 8: my guy In.
Speaker 1: Noble.
Speaker 3: My one album you can play with no?
Speaker 4: Skips how does In July Stevie Steve.
Speaker 5: WONDER i used to play that in, college, Man AND
Speaker 5: i wouldn't miss a jump of the whole, album with the.
Speaker 1: Whole the whole.
Speaker 9: ALBUM i wished the jumper the whole heard album one,
Speaker 9: selection let the whole thing miss.
Speaker 4: ONE i ain't miss no. Jumpers i'm telling.
Speaker 5: YOU i would go in The Long Beach State gym
Speaker 5: by myself at night SO i would see you like
Speaker 5: with me the brothers always try to get me go to, parties,
Speaker 5: Right SO i dip in the, party act LIKE i
Speaker 5: got a, drink and soon as they turn it, Back i'm.
Speaker 4: Gone right they coming from the, Party i'm coming back. From,
Speaker 4: Man why you ain't tell? US i didn't come here
Speaker 4: with you to tell, You so it's that for you
Speaker 4: to do, too you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying so that would, MAN i was going there and
Speaker 5: y'all remember the y'all probably too, young remember the eight
Speaker 5: track players with the.
Speaker 4: Plunger that was me and my track. Player no, missus,
Speaker 4: Man i'm telling, YOU i wish and that and that
Speaker 4: would be My that would be my.
Speaker 5: Thing was how how many how long in the SONG
Speaker 5: i could go without?
Speaker 4: Missing how many SONGS i could? Go you feel me
Speaker 4: THAT i could.
Speaker 5: DO i could do three four songs that are three
Speaker 5: four minutes long without.
Speaker 3: Missing absolutely the. Mindset you know What i'm, saying.
Speaker 4: Don't count you Know i'll go.
Speaker 5: BY i go about how wet my shirt, was THAT
Speaker 5: i couldn't leave until a great shirt was wet all
Speaker 5: the way.
Speaker 1: Down to the. Bottom you feel.
Speaker 5: Me my high school that's why my high school, GYM
Speaker 5: i would my junior, YEAR i found out THAT i
Speaker 5: could tape the door shut in the gym right and
Speaker 5: it was a hollow point under the.
Speaker 4: DOOR i could bring a hanger and just pull the door.
Speaker 5: Open SO i did this for like a month and
Speaker 5: a half and then the janitor came around about nine
Speaker 5: thirty one, night see me in, there, like, boy how
Speaker 5: you getting?
Speaker 4: Here i'm not telling. You he's, like, no you gotta tell.
Speaker 4: Me if you tell, me then you could just come
Speaker 4: to all, Right i'm gonna tell. You AND i showed.
Speaker 5: Him he's, like, boy just come to the boiler room
Speaker 5: And i'll let you. In SO i would go every
Speaker 5: night and, shoot you, know by. Myself and the thing
Speaker 5: THAT i did was that you know and that you
Speaker 5: know Boy Willie burton will ye he does the thing
Speaker 5: on mental. Illness so we was At All star weekend
Speaker 5: last year and he was, saying how for us to
Speaker 5: pursue what we, do we have to be mentally ill.
Speaker 4: Because it ain't no. Outcome you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying you doing this, training, training, training and it ain't
Speaker 5: necessarily ain't nothing on the other end of. That so
Speaker 5: you have to have some type Of so for, me,
Speaker 5: MAN i would go in to gym WHEN i was
Speaker 5: in high school AND i would throw the ball up
Speaker 5: at half court AND i would play a whole game by.
Speaker 5: Myself you feel me going up and. Down ONCE i laid,
Speaker 5: UP i slide back on, defense slide back on, defense
Speaker 5: sprint led, up go to the free throw, line shoot.
Speaker 4: Too IF i, MISSED i got a. Suicide you know
Speaker 4: What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying so just being able to make it WHERE i
Speaker 5: could be in total concentration for two and a half
Speaker 5: hours if need, be all, Right Steve fisher taught me
Speaker 5: how to do it for three and a half. Hours
Speaker 5: and that shit came in hand you WHEN i got
Speaker 5: with Down. Nelson you show me that first training, camp
Speaker 5: because it was it was that, thick, real dear guilty pleasure.
Speaker 4: Ganja and butter pecan ice.
Speaker 3: Cream you smoked through.
Speaker 6: COLLEGE i READ i heard youtarted high school when you
Speaker 6: start smoking high, school, Okay and it was just something
Speaker 6: that was always for.
Speaker 4: You and it was and it was, crazy you know high.
Speaker 4: School How LIKE i, said In, chicago we see that
Speaker 4: brown box over, There that's what we was looking, like
Speaker 4: straight up man, man, ugly. Ugly SO i got The
Speaker 4: Long Beach state and sitting in the.
Speaker 5: Dorms sitting in the dorms in the big centers From Ridondo,
Speaker 5: Beach kevin.
Speaker 1: Tie big white, Boy big white.
Speaker 5: Boy So kevin sitting there and he, says, uh this
Speaker 5: is about the fourth or fifth. Day we all in
Speaker 5: the door and he's, like do any of you guys?
Speaker 4: SMOKE i was, like, brother where you? Been you know
Speaker 4: What i'm? Saying and he pulls out And i'm like
Speaker 4: that coming From, chicago we've seen that. Green that's. Homegrown,
Speaker 4: man what is his? Homegrown he's, like what you're talking?
Speaker 3: About?
Speaker 4: Homegrown this is this is the kind the KIND i was,
Speaker 4: like all, right, brother, Exactly, YEAH i got that.
Speaker 1: Kind BUT i got that kind smoking all around the.
Speaker 6: TIME i saw the on your documentary about how he
Speaker 6: said that the coach knew he was, High like you
Speaker 6: went splayed and it didn't fuck with you at, all
Speaker 6: but it did something to, him.
Speaker 4: Y'all man in his eyes will be beat, red right.
Speaker 5: Man but the funniest part we were in we were
Speaker 5: Playing marquette and the whole team he.
Speaker 4: Was in in the.
Speaker 5: Room they got the mattress, off shooting, dice smoking, weed all, that.
Speaker 5: Right so we go to the game and we're laying
Speaker 5: an egg right text.
Speaker 4: Cost time out and he looked. Around he's, like all
Speaker 4: of you, guys they're telling me my whole team is
Speaker 4: full a part of his, man my heart. Sunk i'm,
Speaker 4: like oh, Man i'm getting ready to get kicked out of,
Speaker 4: school you. Know but he was like he Found he's,
Speaker 4: like let me tell. YOU i know what it does to.
Speaker 4: You it puts you in a state of. Euphoria and
Speaker 4: you guys are walking around it think you're doing. Something
Speaker 4: you're doing jack. Shit all, right all, right, bro that's.
Speaker 6: Crazy anything you want to get, out say anything you're working.
Speaker 4: On, well LIKE i, said, man just, UH i appreciate this, opportunity.
Speaker 5: Brothers and LIKE i, said, man just, uh we're doing
Speaker 5: some some of the stuff that we're looking at doing
Speaker 5: is putting together uh training. Camp you, know a place
Speaker 5: that we can call home man and actually do it
Speaker 5: on a level where it can be you, know be
Speaker 5: a mentorship place as well as a student athletics.
Speaker 1: Place working away we can be. Helpful we are. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: man we appreciate your.
Speaker 3: Time.
Speaker 6: Uh it's always a pleasure getting to sit down and
Speaker 6: talk to. You AND i may we wish you nothing.
Speaker 4: But brother it's already.
Speaker 1: Appreciate, yeah don't do.
Speaker 4: That i'm looking at, you, BOY i don't do.
Speaker 1: That we know that's his. Phone we keep going. Out
Speaker 1: it's in your possession of.
Speaker 2: Yours twice twice at.
Speaker 4: It then love me back, then should love me back.
Speaker 2: Then but that's the end of the episode with our,
Speaker 2: brother The Great Craig hodges and thanks for being.
Speaker 1: Here. Man you can't catch this episode on go ahead man.
Speaker 3: All the spokes production YouTube in The Draft Kings.
Speaker 1: Network, NOW i don't know that, part BUT i know this.
Speaker 1: Part we'll see y'all next. Time. Sorry mhm.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 1: Hmmm