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You're a part of June with us. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:12.679 Happy Black Music Month. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.520 to another episode of Quest of Supreme. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.040 I'm your hosts Questlove. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:16.880 Uh. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.480 We have Teams Supreme with us. We have unpaid Bill. Yes, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.280 there you are. How you doing, Sugar Steven? 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:25.440 Now? 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:26.080 How you doing? 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:26.680 Hi? 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:32.320 Mayor Hi Jackson's Sugar Steve. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.840 Yes, we have uh fan Telo, Yeah, man busting down 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.560 a saturn and a and a crab cake. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.360 I'm sorry, you know, I'm watching trying to watch. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.120 My figures all day. I said to let you know 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:49.640 I could give it up. It was in the I 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.120 had it on blast before. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.440 I been waiting on this in all day broke. Finally 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:55.760 we have. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.600 The the first lady of the show her. How are 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:01.160 you right now? 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:02.160 You feel? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.800 I don't care. We got a paperwork? Can you feel 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:05.120 it yet? 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.440 Can feel it? 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.799 Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen, I will just say that we're 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.320 given the honor right now of having a conversation with 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:24.440 an American I guess I can say an American institution, Yes, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:29.400 an American dynasty. For over damn near six decades, our 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.480 guests have blazed a trail of hit records, have sold 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.680 out concerts of Disney and choreography of ground baking videos. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.440 Basically, I'll be pressed to. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.480 Find one human being on earth who's not, in one way, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.160 shape or form, been affected by their legacy. And it's 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.840 apropos that they're on the show now, their entire sony 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.000 catalog has just caught up with their motown catalog, and 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.520 that they're self titled seventy six album seventy seven is 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.720 going place and Destiny from seventy eight have finally, after 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:09.160 all these decades, gotten the remastered treatment finally on streaming platforms, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.919 and you know, basically words I'd never thought i'd say 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.000 in this lifetime. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.280 Left Supreme the Jacksons. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:26.640 Yes question, Well, thanks, all right. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.919 So you know slight disclosure, were cheated already by talking 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:33.400 to Tito. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.040 Actually, what our second episode? Correct? 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.960 Since since we've been the iHeart right our second episode, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.160 so this might be rerun city, but I you know, 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.800 figure i'd figure out creative ways to ask these questions. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.200 I guess my first question off the bat is if 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.000 one says twenty three hundred Jackson Street, what is your 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.280 first immediate memory that comes to mind automatically? 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.480 Well, I'm gonna this is morning, so I'm gonna jump 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.760 in first. Since I'm the youngest out of the out 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.400 of the three here, it should be this should be 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:19.279 the last one, No, brother, not in these days? Yes, Uh, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.200 that house on twenty three hundred Jackson Street. That our 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.919 house in Gary, Indiana. The first thing that pops in 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.760 mind to me that that huge house when I was young, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.360 and when I go back to visit that little house 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.320 that we all grew. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:34.960 Up in and we all practice. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.880 That's where we got our start from, from that house 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.680 on the corner of twenty three hundred Jackson Street. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.520 So you're saying that as a young as a youngster, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.240 you thought that that was an average sized house. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.080 No, that was a mansion when we were young. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:57.360 Wow, Yes, it sure was. We did everything in that house, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.680 played hide and seek and rehearse U. We put to 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.680 pull the furniture back and my father would. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.720 Rehearse us in the living room. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.960 It was only a two bedroom house with eleven people, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.120 but we managed to make it work. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.360 Marlin's garage is bigger than that house. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:18.760 Right now, Jackie, what do you what are your memories 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.719 of twenty three hundred Jackson Street. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.719 Well, like Marlon said, you know, it's a place where 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.880 we all grew up in the house and a lot 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.400 of fun memories there. Loving parents and we love each other. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.000 We were bonded together. We had a two bedroom house 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.400 and uh and I remember, you know in our bedroom 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.040 we had like bump beds that were stacked up together 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.039 like fis. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:41.520 Like the three stooges. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and my sisters, my sisters, they all 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.640 slept in the living room. There was a count's bed 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.919 that let out, and my mother and father slept in 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.719 the other bedroom. But there was a lot of love, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.279 with a lot of rehearsing in that house. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.560 We bonded together. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.760 And there was a lot of small concerts in that 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.000 house because we had already as people coming from the 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.480 neighborhood speaking in the windows is watching us rehearse every 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.680 single day and we and uh, that was pretty much 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.919 our audience. And that's uh, there's a lot of fun memories. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.560 It was just an open door policy, like one could 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.400 just it just come up to the window. Oh, just 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.279 come to the window, not walk inside the house. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.240 And no, no, you can walk inside the route. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.840 They will fight to get the best position. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.400 In the window to look we were doing. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:33.560 Yeah usually and they're watching these rehearsals. Then how how 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:34.840 long would these rehearsals last? 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.040 For a couple of hours? 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.919 Yeah, two hours at least, yeah, sometime three, you know, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.720 so we get it right, we take a break and 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.919 take a fifteen minute break and go back. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.720 At it, you know, Okay, because most of the time 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.720 we had rehearsals prior to doing the gig, because we 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:57.000 would gig on the weekdays after school. We're rehearsed and 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.760 go to that gig about seven o'clock in the evening 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.000 in Chicago, what have you? 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:03.200 Oh? 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.840 Then be back, get back home somewhere around one to 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.120 two in the morning, get up and go to school. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.520 Which I did not mind because when we were when 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.320 we played shows in Chicago, people would throw money on stage, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.880 and so Michael and I, you know, we're doing splits 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.360 left and right, and we get to keep the money. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:21.920 Shoot. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.200 So when I lent to school, we used to stop 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.200 at the store and get the pocket full of candy, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.240 then go to class. So Michael and I, we always 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.840 had money. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:42.280 In the second grade. Okay, had a dollar. I wanted 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:43.520 to know, I five. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.520 Penny, Tino, you got five for a penny back in 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:46.240 those days. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.360 Okay, I know that you guys were an official five 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.760 some uh what sixty five? But back when the group 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.120 was just a trio, back when it's just Jackie, Tito 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.960 and Jermaine and what was the what was the arrangement 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.680 of the group then before Marlon and Michael came along. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.640 Like well, we were just basically a bedroom group. We 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.960 hadn't done anything out in the public or anything like that. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:20.240 We were just three brothers trying to be the brothers Temptations, 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.200 trying to figure it out, trying to figure it out, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.240 trying trying to figure it out. How did temptation sound 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.920 like this or the Miracles or whoever. We were just 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.560 putting to get you know, getting it together. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.880 But in a trio situation, who was the lead person? 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.280 Who was the in that particular situation. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.880 At that time, Jermaine was singing a lot of leads. First, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.600 we were all singing at that time too. But uh, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.600 later on then Michael and Marlin joined and Michael came 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.319 in playing you know the Quaker oat mill boxes. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.920 Oh wow, he called to playing. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.760 The bungos on that Michael did, and uh he has 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.160 some with him and Marland had so much dancing ability 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:03.760 and energy. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.520 So we decided, hey man, we got to put them 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.240 in the group, you know. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.920 Okay, yeah, So. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.240 That's how that started, you know, And so we shot 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.280 them in the group, and then we started doing all 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.640 these talent shows, you know, all these talent shows. In 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.520 time for my high school. We had a lot of 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.079 talent shows going on. We would join these talent shows 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.520 rehearsing for the talent shows, and we would win these 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.679 talent shows all all over the regional part of the state, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.960 you know of Indiana. We go to Michigan, different places 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.240 like that, and uh and just win all these talent shows. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.440 And on these shows there was Denise Williams when the 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.200 fires on some of these shows, and you know, these 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.360 talent shows like that. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.800 You know, I was going to say, yeah, one one 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:51.319 of the Hutchinson of the Emotions. Yeah, and Sheila I 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.080 believe as well, told us that they would often run 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:55.240 into you guys doing. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:58.720 Yeah, yeah, we did. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.360 We did what they called the chilling circuit. And actually 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.959 not only them, the O Jay's, it was the Shylights 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.080 and us and and like you said, the Emotions. And 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.920 we used to do a place in Chicago called the 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.040 High Chaparral and Maurice White was with another band and 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.400 they would play. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.960 It was the drummer was the drummer Simmons was the 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:23.760 name of that band. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.000 It was Yes then Simmons. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.120 And when we did do those places one time I 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.640 remember so well, pig Meat Markham was the main act 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:39.360 and they would have us on the judge yeah. And 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.760 when we did the the Apollo, you know amateur stuff 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.560 you had Moms Maybley or Edda James where the acts 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.640 that came in or Simon Dave were the headliners and 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.480 came on Amateur Night and did our thing and people 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:53.120 enjoyed us. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:54.480 How many shows we used to do? 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.600 What seven shows a night or something like seven shows 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.000 a day? 0:10:59.120 --> 0:10:59.880 Yeah? Yeah, day? 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:00.720 Really? 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.320 So you would do Amateur Night each time around or 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.480 was it at some point where you guys were sort 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.959 of out of Amateur Night and just a featured act. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:10.680 Where's Amateur Knight it was? 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.000 And then we then we would do the talent shows 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.199 and the Five stair Steps. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:14.520 Uh. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.600 We had a rivalry I guess between us and the 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.280 Five Stairsteps. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:19.720 And Michael would cry. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.800 Michael would cry his butt off because you know, sometime 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.319 before that came on before us, you know, the crowd 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.360 started throwing eggs at him and stuff. I think they 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.760 were there, and Michael would cry, if you forget, they're 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.760 gonna do the same thing to him. So we would 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.320 try to comments and Mike, just do your thing, Everything's 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:36.080 going to be okay. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:36.319 You know. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.280 He would cry like a baby because he didn't want 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.480 them throwing eggs on him on stead grabbing a hook 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:42.480 and hooking them off stage. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.840 That's what That's what they did. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.840 Sim I was gonna say, I know that. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.559 Well, of course everyone knows the legend of the Apollo, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.240 But for those other spots that were in the chilling circuit, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.679 like either the Regent or the Uptown and Billy or 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.400 the Fox and Detroit, was it also the same way, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:09.000 like if you were new you were someone booing you 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.319 off the stage or anything, or. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.520 Was that just the Apollo? Like could you relax if 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.000 you if you were at Chicago or any other place? 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.680 It was more so as Paula. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.800 But they'll believe if you're not good Regal Theater or 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.720 wherever uptown, they're gonna bully you. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:26.000 You know. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.640 But but people don't play. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:28.720 You know. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.400 Happened to the Jackson's. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:38.640 Though, No, no, no, yeah, we never got the boom. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:39.800 Yeah. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.720 So, uh, we were scared of the book. So we 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.600 did the best that we could do. I say, stay 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:46.480 away from that book. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.840 Wait, yes, Tito, the world kind of knows the story 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.960 of you discovering your your father's guitar. Uh huh, But 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.800 I always wanted to know how was your able to 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.200 learn the bass. Was it was it a similar situation 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.000 like who taught him how to play the bass? 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.679 Well, I gave Jamaine based guitar lessons on the bass, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.440 based notes on the guitar, She'd say, because when my 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.720 father bought him the second guitar, he started playing the guitar. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.760 That I was sneaking from my father and I was showing, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.920 you know, the little things on the on the on 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.000 the guitar, but it was based up. So he was 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.040 playing bass on the guitar because as you know, the 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.920 first first yes, same same thing, yeah. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.359 And then what he did he started studying James Jamison 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.720 Motown because he listened to Motown songs and he started 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.200 studying James Jamison. He was he used to play dislike 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.480 him Jamaine as a young kid. He I mean he 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.599 had it down, you know, singing and playing at the 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:52.160 same time. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:57.040 Okay, So before you guys went to Motown, you were 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.599 on Steel Town. What was the story Fie Town? Like 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.400 who owned the label? How did you guys wind wind 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.600 up recording a single for them? 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.679 Well, Still Town was just a local record company and 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:11.400 Gary Ander. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.719 We really didn't I. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.080 Guess we were so young we didn't know we didn't 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:17.600 know a lot. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.000 My father is basically who took us and was controlled 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.200 all the activities of the little boys at that time 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:30.880 because we were really really young. I remember seeing a 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.480 picture of the band recording the song I'm a Big 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.280 Boy Now, and we were all quite small, little kids, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.520 you know, and it just happened. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.160 One take and that was it. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.440 I mean, right, it was. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.160 The budget wasn't big, it was nothing. You know. We 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.440 could have recorded this song in our in our living room. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.800 In and out, yeah, in and out. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.360 Like you said, you were so young, Like, how did 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.960 you look at all the rehearsals and all the shows 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.720 and all the and all the things you were doing. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.200 Did you did you think it was the most fun 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.320 thing you could do. I mean, I think it is, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.080 But but at the time, did you think that we had. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.600 When they say keepers of the dream, we really had dreams. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:22.600 We all wanted to be like Jackie Wilson and James 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:23.680 Brown and the Attempts. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.440 We wanted to be entertain the stars. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:32.640 We wanted to go to Holly, California or wherever the 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:37.320 stars lived and see it was fun too, That's the 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:37.720 main thing. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.840 We had a lot of fun along the journey. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.240 But we never realized what the mark was making in 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.800 the world when we were younger, because we were constantly 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.440 busy and we would go to different parts of the 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.600 world and and uh get back to school and we 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.760 could tell the class everything about the place. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.640 Don't don't get us wrong. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.840 There were times that we didn't want to rehearse, trust me, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.560 we'd rather be outside playing. And the kids used to 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.040 laugh at us sometimes and tell us you are not 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.720 going to get anywhere, and and you know with the rehearsing. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.880 But my father, you know, made sure that we rehearsed 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.640 before we did anything rehearse. We used to take breaks 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.200 sometime and watch Batman or the Green Hornet, then back 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:21.840 to rehearsal. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.600 You watch the Three Stoodents, that's what. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.560 Oh, yeah, we watched them dog three Stoodents? 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:27.120 Yes, we did. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.040 Did you play any sports in in school? 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.040 We played a lot of basketball baseball because the baseball 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.720 field was right behind our house and if we weren't 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.520 doing music, was playing baseball most of the time. That's 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:42.960 what we did. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.800 Cricket, cricket in the alley, Yes, cricket. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:52.160 Wait, black people play cricket. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, right. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:17:04.000 Yeah, we played ghetto cricket, but we played its. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.160 Tell how the game goes wrong. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.040 We used to set up like three cans on the 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.760 ground at each end, and we had a stick. We 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.159 all had sticks to bat. Either you throw at the 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.480 can or you roll it and you hit the ball 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.080 and you go back and forth counting, and whoever got 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.080 to a certain point a certain number one that won 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.720 the game. And it gave you skills because Jackie and 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:27.679 Jermaine and they used to try to see if they 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.720 can hit it all the way to the other field 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.840 over the fence, and they did. And you can imagine 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.600 someone running trying to get that ball and throw it back. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.560 And if you stick it up and they knock down 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.600 your cans, is that these the other teams turn to 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:46.200 come up and take a back. That's what we did, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.919 outside of moving cylinder bros from one end of the 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.960 yard to the other end of the yard. Uh choy 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.120 that my father gave us. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:01.879 Yeah, that's not a sport, yea, yeah. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:01.239 That's exactly what. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:06.520 No. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.399 Well, when we saw that on uh the American Dream. Uh, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.920 I guess Jackie had to keep moving the bricks. What 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.960 was that like? Just something to keep you occupied for 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:18.600 an hour or so? 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.639 Or keep us occupied, keep us, keep us from the 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.680 gangs in the streets. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:24.200 Okay. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.240 And it took all day, It took. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.280 All took all days. It takes no hour. It took 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:28.800 all day. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.520 And Michael and I couldn't pick up one, so the 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.240 two of us carried one. And yeah, he would make us. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:36.840 When I get home from work, I want to see 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.280 those bricks from that end of the yard to over 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.360 that other in the yard. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:41.840 Wow. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.600 Okay, So explain to me the environment that was Gary, 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:51.040 Indiana in the mid sixties, Like, what is what is 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.800 your father trying to keep you from? 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.080 What is that? What is outside of twenty three hundred 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:55.720 Jackson Street. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.520 Well, there were gangs then, lurking to recruit new young members. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.280 And and I guess my father felt that with my 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.879 sons would not be a member of those gangs, so 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.840 he kept us occupy and and and we did go 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.600 out and play sometime in the streets, hide and seek 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.960 or whatever. But majority of the times we, uh, we 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.480 were working moving those bricks around or rehearsing. But there 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.199 were games sometime. And Jackie and Tito can elaborate on 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.359 this more. Because I was still in elementary school. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.439 No, No, there was a lot of games around carry 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:37.359 there was they were shooting. You're can be it on 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.560 your porch at night because the ladies of the neighborhood, 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.280 meaning the mothers, we get together and you know they 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:45.880 mosquitos are bad. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.200 So they have a. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:52.119 Garbage canned fire going and join the smoke keep it. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.640 And all of a sudden you started hear. 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.840 Cars speeding down the street and people started running and 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.240 duck and so there was a lot of gang activity. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.080 Right, but the gates, but the games never didn't mess 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.199 with us. They always protected us when we walked through 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:06.520 the game. 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:15.560 Yeah you guys, yeah, making some positive noise. I guess 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:16.280 I don't know. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.880 Okay, all right, were you guys first generation Gary, Indiana? 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.480 Or were your parents from there as well? I don't remember. 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:28.760 No, no, no, my parents aren't from there, but they 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.119 were first generation from Gary. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.840 Yeah, okay, so where were your parents from? I'm just curious. 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.200 I never my. 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:39.520 Mother's from from Arkansas, and now my father's from Arkansas. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:41.159 My mother's from Alabama. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.919 What city she's Abama? 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:45.240 Girl? 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.960 You know, I think I don't. I think it's Herbsborough. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:51.840 Okay, I thought it was a mobile. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.440 Yeah, the Columbus. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.560 Either way, her childhood was but so sweet my. 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.080 Father from Little Ross. 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:06.320 Oh oh wow, I read once your that your mom 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.600 she was like a country western singer that she used 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:09.320 the sing country. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:09.800 Yeah. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.680 What happened was with that, you know at that time, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.480 you know, our television broke and we didn't have money 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.480 to get it fixed, you know, so we were we 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.960 were singing. She was an avid country western fans. She 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.520 loved country western music. Yeah yeah, yeah, wow, different people. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.280 And uh, we was harmonized with her singing with her, 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.080 you know, and uh because no television were singing with her. 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.200 And she came to my father one day said, Joe, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.919 your boys can really see they can harmonize. He said, kay, can, 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:45.280 he said Joe. So she said, Joe, they really can sing. 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.280 So he is so see. You know, we sung for 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.160 him and he got all excited. That's when he started 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.959 buying in going out buying instrument as far as all 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.000 the instruments. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.720 So when you guys were kids, was he gigging at 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.119 all or was that part of his life done with? 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.600 Because I know that he did a few when he had. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.320 A little local band called the Falcons. 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.879 He had a band himself, and if they would come 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.840 over to the house and play with my uncle. His 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.159 brother played guitar and he played guitar, and we used 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.359 to watch them play all the time. Sudden just washed 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.760 them this gig and to us they were like big professionals, 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.320 and we watched them all the time. 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.160 And they would play at the house. 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:25.159 It was great watching him play and that's how we 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.760 learned about music and just listen to all the Motown 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.320 songs on the radio, stuff like that, you know, and 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.600 sliding the family Stone, Yes, lining everybody. 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.720 Yeah, amazing. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.199 So Marlin, I know that you brought it up earlier, 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.720 but I always heard about the legend of Mister Lucky's, 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.520 which I guess was like sort of like your home spot. 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:51.520 But what Yeah, what was Mister Lucky's a strip club 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:52.520 today or like. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:53.880 No, it wasn't a strip club. 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.920 It was a little nightclub that was Jeroniana. 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:59.359 And they paid us. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.760 We got paid eight dollars for our first show and 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.919 Mister Lucky's. That was the first gig that we got paid, 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.960 and we were so happy about it. I mean, but 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.280 eight dollars back in those days take you a long way. 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.880 And those were the shows that Michael and Marla would 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:16.760 they would throw money on the floor and they would 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.480 do the splits and grab the money, and and Marlin 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.040 and Tito and I and Jermaine would be because they're 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:23.800 getting all the money. 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.440 We weren't getting one there. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:33.600 Oh yeah, you know we've we've heard different accounts, but 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.320 I never heard it from you guys verbatim. I mean, 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.840 I've talked to Gladys Knight and she told me she 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:45.760 was the one. And then Tommy Chug of Cheaching says 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.359 that you know Bobby, Bobby and the Vancouver's. I didn't 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.320 know that he wrote because you guys did a cover 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.760 of it. I didn't know that he wrote does your 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.080 does your mama know about it? I didn't know that 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.600 damn Cheaching Chong like or Tommy Shung motown legends. So 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.439 what is what is the real story? I know I 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:10.879 know the angle, but who literally made it happen? Yes, 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.280 I'm gonna introduce you to this person that leads a barrier. 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.240 I'm gonna set the record straight. I'm gonna set the record. Well, well, well, 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:24.560 we played a concert in Gary, Indiana and uh for 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.720 our Mayor Richard Gordon Hatchard, who's no longer with us, 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:32.080 he's at the time, and so he was campaigning at 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.080 the time. Some Gladys Knight was his his guest there, 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.800 you know, and we happen to play the same show. 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.680 So she happened she saw us on the concert and 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.440 she went back to Barry Gordon, to Barry Gordon, there's 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.200 some guys in Indiana. That's that's incredible. You've got to 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.159 sign these kids. It was glad who discovered us first, 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.720 and Bobby Taylor did this show the then next year 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.800 he saw us to say well, he went back to 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.919 Barry Gordy said the same exact thing with both of 0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.119 those people. But Dinad Ross was his biggest artist, the 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.600 one who brought us out because it was his biggest suck. 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.800 And its us to the world marketing presenting. 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.560 It was Gladys Knight and Barbetary was the ones who 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:10.680 discovered us. 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:15.159 That's true, all right, well, true story, they're true. Moving 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:20.760 moving to Los Angeles from Gary, Indiana. How how much 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.159 of a fish out of water situation was that for 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:28.879 you guys? As far as uh watching what the world 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:30.159 that you see on television, which is. 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.359 Hot because I used to watch all the football games, 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:34.320 and all the football games. 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:35.560 We got Chicago. 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:40.159 Bears, we got Cleveland Browns and snowing outside freeze, and 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.200 then they were shown in an afternoon game they would 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:43.800 show San Diego Chargers. 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.840 All's rams. Right, So I'm watching TV. 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.840 I'm in the snow, freezing my butt off, and I'm 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:51.359 watching TV seeing all these people. 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.240 They show the palm trees and show the people in. 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.320 The stands having a great time. I said, that's where 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.639 I want to go. I want to go to Los Angeles. 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:00.119 I don't know how I'm going to get there, but 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:01.720 that's where I'm going to go. That's where I want 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.320 to live. That's what I said to myself. I don't 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.320 know how, Yeah, I don't know how I was. 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:07.960 Going to get there. 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.800 And some kind of way, we were signed with Motown 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:15.240 and Arry going to decide it to move his office 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.120 over to Los Angeles because he wants to get into 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:19.520 the film business. 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:19.920 Right, you know. 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.640 So he moved his whole entire office from Detroit. 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.000 He still had office, he still had office in Detroit, 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:28.479 but then moved his operation to Los Angeles, California, and 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:29.760 he brought us over there with him. 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.359 Was there ever talk of you guys moving to Detroit? First? 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.520 To be matter of fact, we did go to Detroit. 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:39.120 It was in Detroit recording our music first and then 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.320 we went on to we was how long were we 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:41.800 in Detroit? 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:45.760 About a year? Two years guys recording, about a year. 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.720 We signed with We signed with Motown in nineteen sixty eight. 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.119 But we told everybody, and people didn't believe it was 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:52.920 because we didn't have. 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.600 Any music out. It took over a year before we 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:56.680 even got in the studio. 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:58.639 Yeah, longer than that moment. 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.800 Okay. So some of that first album was recorded at 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.920 the Hitsfield studio. 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:10.080 And yeah, yes, a lot of it, Yeah, a lot 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:11.080 of it. 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:12.760 The Tempts and all of them would come around. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.920 We would see all those casts, all those people would 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.199 come around and give us all kinds of support, and 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:21.080 they was saying hello to us. And Jermaine was trying 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.920 to hit on Barry Gordy's door at the time. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.879 Jamames, you succeeded. 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:33.240 Yes, one question I had if I'm Jackie, you're the oldest, 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:34.960 you may have the best memory of it. I was 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.600 always curious to know about the corporation, Freddy Parry and 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:42.280 Larry Mizell. Do you have any riches of working with 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.040 those guys Deep Richards, Yeah, yeah. 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:45.119 H. 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:48.720 Yeah, they had just got out of they had just 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:53.240 got up college from Howard the University. 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.560 Dis graduate from Howard University. And they were incredible. 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.200 There were incredible musician songwriters, and Barry Gordy put them 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.720 with us and we used to. 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.240 Laugh at Freddy Perrin and Finds Myself because they were 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.600 We would go into the studio, we see them and 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:17.719 they're on a little mope head scooter, two of them, right, yeah. 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:26.399 You know, yeah yeah, And we passed them up on 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.439 the street and they were coming to the studio. 0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:29.879 But they had to hit. 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:37.159 A lot of our especially from a hip hop perspective. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.520 I mean, I don't think a lot of people, uh 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.760 are contemporaries even equate that, you know, the Mazel Brothers, 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:48.880 their their seventies cats and all the stuff that they 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.560 did on Blue Note Records, you know, with Donald Bird 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:53.040 and even the stuff they did with like a Taste 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.800 of Honey and all that stuff. Like, I don't think 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.520 they even equate that these are the same guys that 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.200 also wrote I Will You, I Want You Back in 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:02.680 all those things, I. 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.560 Love You and all that. Oh yeah, they were incredible. 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:09.000 And they don't even know that their nephew was jam 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:12.160 Master j from run DMC. They never put two and 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.840 two together with that, but yeah, so yeah, I was 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.840 gonna say, when you first get to Motown, what is 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:24.600 what is the basic uh work operation? As far as 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:25.680 you guys learning songs? 0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:29.080 Because well, let me be let me let me bag 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.840 it up for you. I think you find it's interesting. 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.800 From from from Gary, Indiana, mm hmm. 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.640 We went to Detroit to audition for Barry Cordy, right, 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.760 and so we did a lot of Motown songs. And 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.920 so Barry had this huge house, had a golf course 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:52.040 in the backyard and the back nine head indoor swimming pool. 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:56.640 You go down downstairs for the ay, all the gangs, 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.360 and so we get indo, Michael and I playing in 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.880 the pool in the great time. Jackie walking around biting 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:03.400 his nails. 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:04.440 Damn near ate up his. 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.680 Fingers because he was so nervous, and he used to 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:09.160 get after Michael and I. 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.000 This is serious, guy, this is our chance. 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.360 You'll fooling around playing with all the games and stuff. 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:14.160 Get serious. 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.360 I mean we were kids, and all of a sudden 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:17.800 we get ready to do our show. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:22.239 Well, no, all of us were back. All of our 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.480 equipment was set up around the pool. 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.960 Jackie, let me back up because Martins we had already 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:37.400 auditioned from Hotown the day before. Very decided, yeah, I 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.280 want to sign these kids. So he acts. He said, 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:44.520 tomorrow's Dining Ross's birthday. I'm having a party for her 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:46.280 at my house, and. 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.840 I want you guys to perform. 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.600 And so we round the at this party. 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:52.960 Tell him who was at the party. 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:56.960 Man, We round the pool waiting, and we do a 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:58.440 lot of more times, and all of a sudden, I 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.600 see Marvin Gate come through the h the Temps, the 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:06.880 Temps walk through the door, then down Stevie Wonder. 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:12.080 Smokey Robinson, the four Times come through the door. 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.200 And also we've got to sing their songs. That's all 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.120 the songs we knew, that's all the big hits on 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.240 the radio. We didn't have any new original material. Were 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.800 singing all these Motown songs in front of the right. 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:24.920 Navid Roughing come in. 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.640 Wow, you know this is the first time you made it. 0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:33.000 No, yeah, it's the first time. We mean yeah, first time, 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.320 and this is their first time seeing us and we're 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:36.040 doing their stuff. 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.000 I assume that the show went well because you're here 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:43.040 right now talking about it. 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.360 Yes, try out by fire. 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.840 How much shit older were guys like Marvin Gay and 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:50.760 Smoky than you at that time? 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.880 All they had about fifteen, ten and fifteen years? 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:55.280 Yes? 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.040 Should should they? Stevie was kind of appear right, kind of. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.520 Yeah, well yeah, I think Jackie, you were like fifteen 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:03.600 or sixteen at the time. 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.120 I heard your sister mentioned that Stevie actually might be 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:11.880 related to you guys. Is that true? 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.640 Rue, he's on my mom's side of Yes. 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:17.200 When did y'all find this out? 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.880 A lot of people don't know that my first cousin. 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:25.560 Second, you got to ask my mom. But all this 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.160 is to me, this is funny because we were we 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.680 were somewhere and Stevie tells them, uh, and I was 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.880 talking with Stevie this is at my at my father's funeral. 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.480 And then then all the way he told me, he said, Amelia, 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.680 give them all on my numbers since we because. 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.520 Does he call in the morning as well? He's famous? 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.200 Yeah, we we You know, I've been We've been blessed. 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.360 We had some great times. You know, it's what you 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.200 do with that time and how you treat it. And 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:03.720 we've had some great times. 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.560 Okay, I'm sorry. I got to follow up on this, 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.440 So did you and Stevie? Did you guys and Stevie 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.719 wanted to know you were cousins back then? Or did 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.320 this come up recently? 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:15.520 No, we did not know. Matter of fact, Stevie did 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.600 a couple of songs on us during the Motown days 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.200 and and uh, we didn't know that we were cousins. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.640 And those songs that Stevie did on us, they were 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:30.520 never released, you know. And I think Butterfly, no butter 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.560 Cup have but not that you have, not nothing, nothing song. 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.120 That's one question is talking. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.960 About, well, you're supposed to keep your love for me 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.720 from the original? Was there any other besides butter Club? 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.960 Of course, Buttercup, you're supposed to keep your love for me. 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.360 I think there was one or two more others. I forgot. Man, 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.480 we did so many songs. Motown got so many songs 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.080 that we we can when I hear so we did 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.960 that right, we lived in the studio. 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:05.120 That's what I want to get to you, guys. I've 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.799 seen at least the the Motown faults. I've seen them 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.799 and seen the catalogs, and to me, it's staggering. 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:14.600 How big is it? 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:15.120 A mirrorkell? 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:15.600 People? Please? 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:16.160 You know we want to be. 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.840 I mean, you know, it was over two hundred songs, 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.920 but the thing is like they're two hundred completed songs 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.839 and half the stuff didn't see the light of day. 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:31.080 So like, what is can you walk me through how 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.880 you guys get like do you have like mere seconds 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.239 to learn it? Do you at least get a work 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.360 tape the night before to figure out your arrangements? 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.800 We walked through to we go in the studio. 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.400 They put the off to school after school, Jackie we 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:46.360 go after school. 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:51.000 There's the studio recording studio right and the recording studio 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:54.239 was right around the corner right on Fair Facts, and 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.200 half the kids at the school never knew that we 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.680 were going to the recording studio recording I Want You 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.040 Back ABC. They've been know that not even a block away. 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:06.600 We recording to him record these songs. And they put 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.200 up the track and we learned it and singing and 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.840 all that. We pretty much do a song today. But 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.120 we came back to finish it the next day. The 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.279 really really completed finish it the next day. It took 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.480 us a day and a half to finish the whole song. 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.680 That's because we had and the reason being is that 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.640 we were youngsters, and we had a social worker that 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.439 came with us, so she made sure that they didn't 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.160 work us over three hours, so they only we only 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:32.560 had three hours to you. 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.840 Yes, you did all that work in the three hours. 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:37.439 Yeah. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.120 Yeah, that's a lot of songs. 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:43.799 And Michael was going there and Michael would ad lib 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.239 and do his own ad libs, and he made all 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.680 that stuff at all this at the end of that's him. 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.040 They didn't tell him that he made up all that stuff. 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.560 Yeh, wow, that's exhausting. 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.440 So yeah, So and that was every That was almost 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:56.919 every day. 0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:02.720 Yeah, in the weekends, even the weekends. Weekends were longer. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:03.600 Yeah. 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.880 So the next day we come back to school on Monday, 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:12.120 and we're on the Ed Sullivant Show and all we 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.360 come back to school and all the kids noticed that, 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:19.200 Wait a minute, these after Jackson's they noticed us being 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.760 on the Ed Sullivant Show. We go back to school 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.480 the next day, I'm in the classroom and all of 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.799 a sudden, I'm in the classroom sitting in the classroom 0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.960 and all these kids from all the other schools come 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.680 to come to Fairfax High School from all the other 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.200 kids come over and just screaming at to do the 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.200 screen like pandemonium, and the kids wondered, what's going on? 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.319 Why they screaming or they saw me in the classroom 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.320 and they start screaming like crazy. 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.160 They didn't know we were the Jackson They didn't. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.759 Now, let me tell you something. This is my first 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.560 time hearing Jackie's story about that, and I have to say, 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.920 Michael and I we were going to Emerson Junior High 0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.319 School and we were the same. Thing happened to us 0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.400 to the point that kids just started going crazy and 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.719 they had to pull us out of school because we 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:10.400 were disrupting class the whole school, and they put us 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:11.200 in private school. 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.759 So you went to a regular school first, Yeah, we 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.279 went to regularly. No other contemporaries of yours were in 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.479 like Fairfax Hide, none of these Thames. 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:22.880 No we went I went to when I when we 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.800 got here, nobody knew who the Jackson five were. So 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:29.440 I went to Bancroft Junior High. Michael went to Gardenet, 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:34.480 I mean my Gardener Gardener Elementary School, then the Falling Street. 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.600 Michael and I went went over to Emerson Junior High. 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.320 We only was able to go for two weeks because 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.960 we were disrupting the classes and the kids were going crazy. 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:51.279 Wow, So you didn't get uh so, what's the like 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.920 in private school? Is it more different because all of 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.640 you are industry kids or we were. 0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.160 Going to school with with some of the main celebrity here. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.400 They would go to the same school with us, and 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.920 even well, this is a funny story, Joe McClean to. 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:09.800 If you know who John McClean is. 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:17.319 Wait, this is what you're gonna get the most elusive 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:19.960 we've been dying to get it on the show. 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:26.000 It's oh so John, So John to tell history. He 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:27.879 said his mom brought him. 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.879 To this private school and he said, Mom, I don't 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:32.440 go here. 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.960 I don't want to go I don't want to go here. 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.640 And John said, all of a sudden, he's he loves 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:44.439 Tito Walking across, he said, Tito Jackson, Hey, mom, I'm fine. 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:56.120 I tell y'all popularity. Did everybody have to go to 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:56.920 the special school? 0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:57.120 Now? 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.239 Like the girls too? And I don't know Randy was 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.480 here by now everybody just have to. 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:09.040 Eventually they did, Yes, yes they did eventually. Yeah, but 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.320 you know it's it's that's what took place, That's what 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:13.239 happened with us. 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:22.560 It's you know, I know that your parents' concerns over 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:27.120 gang culture in Indiana was one thing, but most of 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.360 us that don't live in Los Angeles, most of us, 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.160 especially when you're thinking of like for young black people, 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.000 like gang culture was a part of life, Like, how 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:36.960 is that avoided? 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.239 Well, my father made sure, I mean he laid down 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.120 the law. M hm, that's it. We had to be 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:50.480 inside before the street lights came on to Yeah, that's 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:51.120 what it's supposed to. 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:53.960 That's how I came up to. 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:58.080 Same thing set you better not get caught up, would 0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:58.800 do street lights on? 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:06.080 So okay, was it still okay? What was what was 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.279 the chores situation at the house like was that yeah, 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.120 I mean I'm certain that you sure had to. 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:14.640 Oh yeah, we had to. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:18.360 We had chores. We had chores. 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.520 We had to wash the dishes. Even even after we 0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.000 made it with the Jackson five and came out, we 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:24.840 still had chores. 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.920 Well, y'all still lived in the house together, right, So yeah. 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:32.239 So yeah, it was I think Michael and I week 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.359 to do the dishes, and Jackie and somebody else had 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.200 a week. Yeah, somebody you know had a week. 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.480 Yeah, So there was in the house yeah, we had chores. 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.399 Is the family resident still Uh? Is that still where 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:47.160 your mother is? 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:48.160 Yeah? 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.839 But if we were on Queen's Road, Yeah, we were 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.399 on Queen's Yeah. 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:57.919 And we first got here, we were on Queen's Road. Well, 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.400 we first stayed at the Tropic Camp in a motel 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.560 a while on Santa Monic because that on Santa Monica, 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:06.920 Little Santa Monica or something like that. 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.080 And when I got there, the first time I got 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.719 the cat of Los Santles, I couldn't believe how people 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:13.200 were living. 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.239 Almost cried, I said, even living like this all all 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.280 my life, living this good life like this and driving 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.560 ferrari and rolle voyages down the street. 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.000 I mean it was just amazing. I mean people living 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.400 in the hills and the palm trees and you know 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.880 what I'm saying, and I'm guarante Ana freezing on my 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.040 butt off, and these people living like this. 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.000 We lived that. We lived in the Tropicana for a while, 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.440 and then, uh believe, before we went to Queen's Road, 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:49.120 we lived with Donna Ross. Yeah, yes, and she she 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:54.279 had she had a house with white carpet everywhere and 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.960 white walls, and I think some of the furniture was white, 0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:58.440 and she. 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.120 She told the house with us, we all too that 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.120 paint on the walls and paint the walls like she 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.560 was like, yeah, yeah, we had fun. 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:08.960 Yeah, they also had a. 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:10.319 Lot of money, but you a lot. 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:10.920 Of money. 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:18.600 Like that. 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.480 Yeah, I was for the other side of the story. 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.680 Mary Wilson would come over to the house. It was 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:27.520 so kind of so it's amazing. Mary would come over, 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:28.080 you know. 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.520 For how's my babies. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.680 So we you know, we were young kids, but we 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:38.960 had fun and they made sure that we had fun too. 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.200 I mean, you know, they used to pick us up 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.759 and take us to the movie sometime down matter of fact, 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:48.359 down Ross pick Michael and I when she first had 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.920 her first baby, and this is where she lived on 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:52.840 Maple and Beverly Hills, and. 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:54.400 We all went upstairs. 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:56.960 We were all went upstairs and she wanted us to 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.719 paint some drapes because she was having a baby at 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.680 first kid. So we painted the drapes and do figures 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.759 on it for the kid. And we had a great time, 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.919 you know, I mean. 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:15.160 Really yeah, Well, I want to know from Tito and 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.759 Jackie because you two are older. I guess in my 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.520 mind because I see the Jackson's as kind of the 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:28.160 first family of post civil rights movement, like all the 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.160 struggle that happened before nineteen sixty eight, Like you guys 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.960 are the first to flourish and to post civil rights activity, 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:39.800 But you guys are also teenagers in Los Angeles and 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.719 you're successful at that. So I'm certain that there's also 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:47.320 moments where, like you're in situations in which you're the 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.399 only black person there, or you're driving an elaborate car 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:54.560 that normally isn't. 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:58.080 You know, associated with people that look like you. Like 0:43:58.200 --> 0:43:59.719 how hard was it to. 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:06.120 Navigate in Los Angeles as teenagers where it's not so cute? 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.280 I mean, it's one thing when it's like Marlon and Michael, 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:13.920 who are like eleven twelve younger. Was it different for 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.799 a young black teenager in nineteen seventy two, seventy three, 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:19.720 seventy four, like the first half of the seventies. 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:26.120 I had an experience once when I was about I 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:26.640 was in my. 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:33.000 Late teens or early twenties, and I had got myself 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.680 for the Mercedes the three fifty essal I think it was, 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:41.680 and that's when I had stopped to get gasoline for 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:45.319 my automobile and this is the time when they put 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:46.319 gas in your car. 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:48.239 You didn't have to do it. 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:49.160 They do it for you. 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.839 And I pull in that I say, what do you want? 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.680 I said, fill it up and can you check the oil? 0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:02.400 So I pulled the lever for the thing. And you 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.600 know all the car, you know, there's two levers. There's 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:05.879 one outside as well. 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:08.640 So got yankee and I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, let 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:12.080 me let me. So I go out and show him 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:13.080 how to do it too. 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:18.040 He slams my hood, then pulls pumps my gas and 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:22.080 drip gas all on the side of my car and 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:27.480 then takes Then I go inside and I noticed he's calling. 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.600 It on my credit card. So I told him, I said, 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.480 I don't want to pay for the service. So he 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.680 goes to the people on the phones. Wait a minute. 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.040 He goes to a drawer, pulls out a gun, holds 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.719 it to my head and said sign it. Of course 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.040 I signed it. I signed it. I immediately, This is 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.880 before cell phones. I go to a stop as a 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:54.400 phone booth, call our security Bill Braid. Bill, who's a detective. 0:45:55.800 --> 0:46:00.279 He rushes out to Chatsworth where I was immediately and 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:04.040 go to the police station explain the story to them. 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:08.200 They go over to the station, picks up. 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:12.759 The guy, come back, and then they tell us that 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:16.759 if we if we arrest this man, we're gonna have 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:20.719 to rest mister Jackson too, for not for refusing to 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:21.520 pay for service. 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.919 So the guy walked, that's that's how that's how it ended. 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:31.040 Yep, of course it was. And this guy, I guess 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.440 he wasn't used to seeing the young black guy of color, 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.000 whether he's young or not. You know, it was such 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.960 a nice automobile because back then those Mercedes were very 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:45.399 high items, and I was the only nineteen driving one. 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:49.680 So well, my my story is is a little different. 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:53.520 This is we had our TV show, The Jackson Show, 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:58.360 and yeah, and you know, and we lived in the 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:02.000 Sino in a lot and we were shooting that shows 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.319 somewhere and not at the CBS slot, but somewhere else. 0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:07.759 So I will come through Beverly Hills and over the 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:12.480 hill to go home. And my first car was a Porsche, 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:17.000 a Porsche, and the police saw me driving, so he 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.440 pulls me over and he walks up to the car 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.719 and said, is this your car? I said yes. 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.920 He said driver's license such and such. I gave it 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:29.920 to him. He sees Encino on it. 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:35.080 Why are you going home this way? And I'm looking like, 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.120 what do you mean while I'm going home this way? 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.279 And yeah, you can go home any kind of way 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:41.760 you want. 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.839 To, and who says I'm going home right? 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.000 And then and then he says, well, where you get 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.640 the money to buy a car like this from? And 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.840 I tell him, you know, I'm an artist, I do 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:56.600 records and whatever, and he wrote me up some phony 0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:00.120 Ticke wrote me up a ticket for whatever it says it. 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.520 I gave it to our people to take care of. 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.319 But I think Jackie, all of us used to get 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:11.600 pulled over all the time, asking us, uh, I got 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.680 a real funny story for you after this used to uh, 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.680 used to give us tickets and pull us over just 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:19.480 to harass us. 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.640 But here is my real funny story. 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.000 This story is so funny that I could Jackie, you know, 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:29.279 don't give a tell. So Michael's first car was a 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:29.960 Rose Royce. 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:32.800 He was and he was eighteen. 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:39.719 But Michael, he parked anywhere he didn't know. So one 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.680 day I'm he didn't care. 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.240 I'm driving down the street. 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.960 I thought it was so funny. I'm driving down the 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.440 street and the police got Michael handcuffed to a bench. 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:55.360 Wait, he was. 0:48:57.840 --> 0:48:59.680 Because he had a lot of parking tickets. 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:05.280 Did you stop? 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:10.640 They never heard that story. Journalists are asking the wrong questions. 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:14.120 Yeah, yeah I did. 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:18.000 But you can't say you couldn't say too much. And 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.799 and they let they let him go after it. I mean, 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:22.600 you know, it's back in those days. 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:24.879 You could you couldn't say you pull up the street 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:26.400 and you just looking from behind in the mirror. 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:30.919 All right, Yes, tell him the story. 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.600 When we went down to Alabama, uh, for my mother's Uh, 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:36.960 they took Michael. 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:41.520 He went into this. Michael went to this. Yeah, he 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.239 shot down South. 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.040 Tell him what do Yeah, yeah, Mike, because Mike, Mike 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.640 like antique. So the security was with him. So Bill say, 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:53.000 I'm gonna go to the restaurant right quick. And the 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.680 owner of the store, I don't know if he called 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:57.600 the police whatever, he thought Michael was trying to steal 0:49:57.680 --> 0:49:59.480 stuff out of the store. He didn't know who he was. 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.279 I think he and he got a gun. And then 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:09.239 Bill's and they took Michael somewhere looking for Michael and 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:10.360 looking for Michael Jackie. 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:11.920 I didn't forgot some of this stuff. 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:15.200 He took Michael to the back room somewhere and tied 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:17.360 him down. Michael was in the back room somewhere, like 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:17.600 in the. 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:23.520 Back ship. This is like, this is like in hies, 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:24.520 late seventies. 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:25.520 Yeah. 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:29.520 Yeah, we're looking all over Michael and they had him 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.600 tied down in the back ship. It's almost like the 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:34.600 clamor was gonna take him away somewhere, and you know 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:35.400 they were saving. 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:43.000 Them for that. Yeah, the story started with Alabama. 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:51.120 Yeah, so we're looking for Michael all over the place 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.399 and this guy had him tied down the back room 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.560 and this was like an antique stuff full of books 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:57.600 and all kind of antiques. 0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:01.120 Michael liked the old stuff. He like buying stuff like that, right, 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:02.719 And it took him. 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:04.759 They thought he was trying to steal something and he 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.279 took him in the back room and we went in 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:08.920 the store. We couldn't find him. He was in some 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.320 other kind of ship behind behind that store. 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:12.239 He was in another kind of. 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:14.680 Jackson. 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:15.239 Yeah. 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:17.400 Hard to get him released. 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:19.640 Yeah, we got a release and they realized school he was. 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:20.680 But we we didn't. 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:21.560 We let it go. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.000 We didn't put it in the press. We let it 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.120 you know what I'm saying, yeah, if it. 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:30.279 Wasn't him until now a regular, it was any other Jackson, right, 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:31.719 it was Michael Johnson. 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:36.800 Right, speaking speaking of Bill Bray. So I came across 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:41.680 this this this like raw footage of a concert. I mean, 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:45.560 I guess it was the Destiny era. But I was 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:50.279 just looking at this footage and I'm noticing that the 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.480 way that security is handled is not like it is now. 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:58.399 Like there was no separation gait or something. The whole 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:02.600 fans back like basically fans were one inch away from, 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:06.040 you know, climbing on stage. And there's a point where 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.120 I guess Bill Bray is giving you guys like a 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:12.040 pep talk backstage on you know what my signals are? 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:18.280 How often did you guys have to prematurely cut a show. 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:25.480 Man all the time? So getting through a show was 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:26.960 actually a hard thing to do. 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:30.480 It was was it a song that popped them off? 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.160 Or was it just like the moment you stepped on. 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:37.000 Stage, the moment they said, the moment they set eyes on. 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:51.839 Me in the morning it was a pandem morning yea. 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:54.960 And believe it, believe it or not, there was a 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:58.440 few times where we had bump threats. You know, and 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:01.520 at one time they did find a bomb under the stage. 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.280 He brought in the police dogs and all that stuff. 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.640 So it you know it, it's been different. 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.840 So it's been different. We've been through a bunch of 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:13.720 the We used to go to shows in armor trucks 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:16.840 because even on the Vision Tour we had death threats. 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.200 We sure did it really? 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:19.520 Wow? 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:23.239 Yeah, you're all brave for a bunch of fucking musicians. 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:28.880 Yeah, what was the decision to not? 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:31.920 I mean, you know, we live in a time now 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:36.360 where you know, especially in social media, just everything's transparent 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:40.280 and there's you know, nothing that's not revealed. 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:42.400 What was the decision and not. 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.799 Ever releasing these stories that things have happened for fear 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.319 that copycats might try to follow, or. 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.640 It's just never dawned on us. We you know, it 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:56.600 was part of our life, and I don't know, as 0:53:56.680 --> 0:54:00.640 we talked it just you know, we would try to 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.880 We weren't crazy about you know, putting stuff in the 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:08.160 press and and and those things. You know, we just 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.800 move on with our life and keep going. I remember 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:15.799 one time, long time ago, uh in Chatsworth again, Chessworth, California. 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:20.040 My kids were at a park and my son drew 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:21.879 it in the grass, and a whole bunch of people 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:28.440 stood up and they were the KKK and uh, and 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:32.520 some other friends came and and my wife and Jackie's 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.960 wife and all jumped in the car car and took off. 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:40.320 They came with bats and chains and uh. And somebody 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.719 called the police and said there was a bunch of 0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:49.279 black ladies with afro wigs, I mean huge afros and 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.080 and driving in the Mercedes down the streets flying And 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.640 none of them had not none of them had an afro, 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:56.520 but they just saw the color of your skin and 0:54:56.560 --> 0:55:02.239 they just said afro and and it was crazy. It 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.319 was they were coming after him to kill him. They 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:07.680 were having the picnic, and they jumped in the car, 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.359 got all this stuff and just took off. And these 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:14.560 guys with chains and bats coming after females. 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.200 Were you guys able to share these situations and lean 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:21.439 on some of your peers, because I'm sure y'all weren't 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:23.640 the only ones going through stuff at the time. 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:25.760 Like who do y'all talk to about how to navigate 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:27.759 all this stuff at that time in y'all lives? 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.080 Not to mention you got parents from the South, but still. 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:32.640 Sometimes we take care of it ourselves. 0:55:39.960 --> 0:55:53.399 Question love it was the way the bullet, that's what says, 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:58.040 you know, ask answer this question. 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.440 When he came before, who is the first Jackson to 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.440 pop off? You said, Jermaine is the first jackson? 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:11.160 Uh to want to I would run home the mama. 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:14.799 Start he started to fight. 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.840 He started to fight me fighting and run home and 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:20.400 tell mama, I'm fighting. 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:26.799 Wait, Marlon, I have a question. 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:31.200 So one of one of my favorite J five albums 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:36.000 was Get It Together, and in particular, I mean, I 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.200 realize that now when when I was older that that 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:43.919 was accidently no, no, no, uh mama h the cover 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.400 of uh Mama got Randon new thing. Don't say no, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.360 I'm realizing that you singing on it? 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:50.920 How are you guys? 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:51.279 Uh? 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:54.520 What would you what would you say, fante, I'm having 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.879 lost a wards? You call it the would you say 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:02.360 the operation of uh the division division of labor? Division 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:02.759 of labor? 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.440 Yeah? What what is the division of labor? As far 0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:08.040 as who gets what part or no? 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:12.360 Well, that song was was produced by how Davis, so 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.280 he would tell us who's going to sing this, who's 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:18.439 going to sing that, Who's going to sing this? Even 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:20.960 in the corporation. You're gonna sing this part. You're gonna 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:24.560 sing this part and and that's how and that's what 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.480 we did when it, you know, and and that's what 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:28.480 and that's what we did. 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.680 And did you sing on any other Jackson songs that 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:33.320 didn't make it? 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:36.520 Or like I think body Language is another one that 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:37.520 I sung on too. 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:42.920 He said that didn't make it? 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:49.360 He said, quest has been so long ago. 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:51.000 I got c R S. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:58:02.480 I remember what CRS disease? 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:05.600 Yeah, I should do, you know, after after, after you 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.120 get past fifty you know stuff, come and go? 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:10.880 Can I ask can I ask you a dancing question 0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:12.120 that that you may remember? 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.320 I mean that Wait, wait, that don't mean them answering. 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:24.120 Somebody the moment right now, right for real, for real, Marlin, 0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:26.600 for the moment right now? You do mean? 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:28.400 Man, yeah, that too. 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:30.479 But I was going to ask you, like your dancing story, 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:32.480 like you talked about you and Michael being fans of 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.280 Jackie Wilson and being a fan of the dance. 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:36.120 But I'm just curious, like as. 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.560 You evolved, as dance evolved, like who are some of 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:40.320 the folks that you started looking to like. 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:44.520 We we believe or not we used to watch James 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:47.760 Brown like you, said Jackie Wilson. We used to watch 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:49.440 fred the Stare Gene Kelly. 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:51.720 J Rogers. 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:54.840 No, no, no, no, we won't tip. 0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:56.160 We were walking on our toes. 0:58:56.240 --> 0:59:02.080 Now Michael knock on Freda's store's door. 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:05.080 No, no, let me tell us jack Jackie. I got 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:08.680 so so one day, uh you know, Michael said, Marma, 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:10.520 come come pick me up. I don't feel like driving 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:12.640 to the studio. I said, okay, I'm gonna come get you. 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.360 And we drove Michael's car. His roll here out in 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:17.440 the car, Michael said, well, Marma, I want you to 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.240 go this way. I said which way? I said, why 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.640 are we going this way? He said, just go this way, 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:25.200 and then we go in through Beverly Hills. He said, 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.440 tear down this street. I said, said, well, you're not 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.680 going to the studio, Mike. He said, Dad is to 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.040 drive down there. Mike, I'm not driving down somebody's driveway. Marma, 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.800 just drive down the driveway. He get out the car 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:39.479 and knock on the door. It was Freddie Stair's house. 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.280 You know, you out the car, knock on the door. 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:47.440 Fredis Stair wasn't home. I don't know where he was 0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:50.520 and I said, who, man, that's that's where Freddie Staire lives. 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:53.920 That's his house. And somebody answered the door and told 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.560 him that Freddie's Stair wasn't home at the time. And 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:57.920 then we went on to the studio. 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:04.600 But say this, stay Davia's house too, right, walking time? 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:05.760 What time we were in? 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:06.360 Uh? 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.560 Sometimes figure out why we were there though we were 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:12.400 so we Richie Pride lived in North in the North 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.920 threege so we Michael and I. I don't think I 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:16.640 ever told you all this, Jackie. So Michael and I 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:18.840 we stopped. We went to Richard Pride's house. Right, we 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.040 knocked on the door. He come in. He's talking to us, 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:22.920 and what was so funny to me? 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:24.240 That we're leaving? 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:28.000 And Richie goes to us, he said, yeah, that that's 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:30.080 the Mercedes I shot the tires out of which he 1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:30.520 tried to. 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:37.760 Wait where she tried to leave. 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:41.880 Right. Remember that. 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:46.720 I was also asking, like after fredstare like as the 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:49.320 time went on the seventies and eighties, where the other 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:52.120 folks too, did you were like? Because I know Michael 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:54.480 implemented new styles and dance and form into his thing. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.240 But Marlon, I mean, I know you do your thing 1:00:57.280 --> 1:00:59.920 I seen you. You still do your thing, you. 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:01.640 Appreciate it, trying to do something. 1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:04.440 Wait, can I add to that question? What did you 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:06.439 guys work with Charlie Atkins at all? 1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:07.080 No? 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:08.160 No, never did. 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:11.760 Who is the choreographer for the Jackson five? 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:13.040 Jackie? 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:17.920 In the very beginning, we got assistance from Suzanne to 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:22.840 pass uh. She had a choreographed some of the I 1:01:22.920 --> 1:01:26.480 want you back stuff, the Sullivan stuff. But after that 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:30.200 is basically even before that, it's always been the groups 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:30.960 on their own thing. 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:34.920 Yeah, Jackie Michael and I we fool around. Jackie Michael 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:37.800 and I. We until we realized we running out of time, 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:39.400 didn't we say we better get serious with this. 1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:42.080 That's what That's what we did on Motime twenty five. 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:45.960 We spend almost two or three hours in the room talking, look, hey, 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:48.600 the shoot tomorrow. We don't have any choreography before Wait. 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:52.880 What Wow, y'all did that the night before y'all did that? 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:53.240 Yeah? 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:55.919 Yeah, yeah, yes, what yeah? 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:01.280 So my question what was y'all thought? This movie means 1:02:01.560 --> 1:02:03.400 the world to us, but to y'all. Want to know 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:07.080 the v H one American Jackson's American? 1:02:08.400 --> 1:02:10.040 Yeah, the music? 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.360 You got to ask Jackie Tito that I've never seen it. 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:16.560 You are lie, seriously, No, I've never seen it. 1:02:16.640 --> 1:02:17.280 I've never seen it. 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:18.440 Model me too. 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:23.960 All right, wait seriously, part of it. 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:25.560 I've never seen it. 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.680 But can I tell you something. My father wasn't like that. 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:31.960 They made him like he was so I mean, he 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:35.960 wasn't like that. They made like a real bad. 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:37.520 Guy and he was not like that. 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:39.560 Just strength. 1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:42.800 Yeah, it's for the movie. I mean, my father disciplined 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.280 us because he had six boys, you know, and around 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.040 gangs like that. He wasn't like that. 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.160 But matter of fact, that's how we learned how to 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.320 dance dodge. 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:57.320 I was going to ask all that too, just so 1:02:57.440 --> 1:02:59.760 particularly about your dad because you know, he's pasted and 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:02.680 I was watching the other day they showed the they 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:05.560 have a new Tiger Woods documentary this on uh this 1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:08.160 out now, and yes, you know there's the kind of 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:10.280 the telling you know, you think of just the strict 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:12.960 father that's just kind of driving the kids, and your 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:15.520 dad has always kind of been just the symbol of 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:18.760 just the hard, you know, disciplinarian father. And so I 1:03:18.840 --> 1:03:20.800 was just curious to know from your guys on words, 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:23.640 you know, what was that relationship like I mean, you know, 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:26.360 he's been kind of demonized in a lot of ways. 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.080 But since his passing in just over the years of 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.200 y'all have has have y'all as y'all have grown as 1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:32.600 men and become fathers yourselves. 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:34.560 How is that? 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:37.080 How how do y'all look at y'all relationship with your dad. 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.640 Now when you realize, you know, you go back and 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:42.680 realize what he was doing was right. 1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:47.200 I mean, we came from a bad neighborhood Guarantiana, and 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:51.000 he I mean he kept us out of that situation 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:54.600 by keeping us busy, keeping us rehearsing. He saw we 1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:57.440 had talent, and he said, if you want to be something, 1:03:57.480 --> 1:03:59.160 you got to work at And that's what he did. 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:02.400 And in those days, you know, you know her parents 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:03.640 raised kids was different. 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:06.080 You know, even your neighbors, your parents, I mean, your 1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:06.920 neighbors would get you. 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:08.840 You know, that's how it was back in those days. 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:12.120 You can't do that stuff today. It's a whole different today, 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:13.120 it's different. 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:14.600 But not just the way it was back then. 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:19.160 You know, today today those jokers break their knuckles down 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:20.080 in ninety one one. 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:25.880 Yeah, something as parents and grandparents now seeing the way 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:27.680 the kids are like disciplined, Yes. 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:32.800 I called it. 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:34.200 Yeah, it was. 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:36.280 It was a different time when I look at you know, 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:38.280 just when I think about, you know, your your dad, 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:40.360 your dad's legacy, and just what he was able to 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:43.560 help y'all build. You know, it's just you know, whenever 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:46.800 I see people being real harsh about you know, men 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:50.080 of that time, I'm just like, listen, dude, Like white 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:51.480 folks just ran up in the capitol. 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:54.080 What was they doing in nineteen fifty nine? 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:56.880 You know what I'm saying, Like, what would you know 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:58.800 what I'm saying? What think about what those guys. 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:01.200 Were up against back then to raise you know, you 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:04.040 know all these kids keep him out of trouble, nine 1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:07.200 children and working in a steel mill, Like, come the 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:09.120 funk on, dude, Like, you know, you got to put 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:10.320 that in context. 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:10.040 You know. 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:12.120 So I was always to hear your thoughts on it. 1:05:12.240 --> 1:05:14.040 When I went to the steel mail one time and 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:17.200 some where my father worked. Man, they looked up that 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:19.400 steel door and all that heat. 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.080 And fire key out, and I said, oh my god, 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.600 how does he work in a place like this all 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:24.000 the time? 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:25.520 I mean, I couldn't believe it. 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:29.480 Yeah, Jackie took us home and wanted to rehearse even more. 1:05:32.320 --> 1:05:39.920 Better than being in. I don't Jackie, were you at 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:43.320 one point seriously trying to consider uh a career in 1:05:43.360 --> 1:05:44.240 baseball at all? 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:44.680 Wait? 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:47.240 Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, Jackie, back that up. 1:05:47.400 --> 1:05:50.480 Not consider the white Sox was looking at him. 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:55.600 Oh wow, I didn't know that. 1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:57.000 Talk about it, Jackie, Come on. 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:01.640 No matter fact, we all played baseball. We all grew 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:05.080 baseball players, all of us. And I was a short 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:08.360 stop and a picture and and they was after me 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:11.440 and and stuff like that. But you know, I think 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:13.480 I thought I made the right move by sticker with 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:15.880 my brothers, because the singing career last whatever. 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:17.920 You can sing forever, you know. 1:06:18.600 --> 1:06:20.120 And you can sing with bad knees. 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:27.320 Yeah, but uh, you know I did the right thing. 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:29.120 We did the right thing to stay with the group 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:29.680 and stay with the. 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:34.280 Boys, because I would see you know often in like 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:38.520 ride on magazine or whatever the periodicals were at the 1:06:38.600 --> 1:06:42.280 time of like you guys actually had your own softball team, 1:06:42.360 --> 1:06:45.960 Like how how was that arranged? Like like celebrities softball 1:06:46.040 --> 1:06:48.000 games versus each other would just be a thing of 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:48.960 you calling them up? 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:50.960 Or was it like some official. 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:56.120 We had some of the coldest baseball teams we had. 1:06:57.120 --> 1:06:58.880 We had Willie god on our team. 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:01.440 We had uh we. 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:07.160 The US and football. We had the Colders. And all 1:07:07.200 --> 1:07:10.600 those guys play baseball too, you know we don't. They 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:13.960 played college baseball. We win the championship every year. 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:18.360 So Billy Christal, Billy Christ, Billy CHRISTI, they gonna get 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:20.480 their team, Him and Rob right there and all of them. 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:29.760 The story they big, they gonna come and play us. 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:36.160 You know. You know Sam Watson, You know Sam. Anyone 1:07:36.240 --> 1:07:38.240 knows Sam Watson. He's always in the ring all the 1:07:38.280 --> 1:07:39.480 time of the Fighters. 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:44.160 And uh but said the words that you're not supposed 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:45.440 to say, but only he's supposed to say it. 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:49.040 He said, Sam, Yeah with the Fighters, you know. 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.160 Yeah, Sam was on our baseball baseball Sam is the 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:53.120 great baseball player. 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:55.760 He can play. Oh yeah, can play. 1:07:58.000 --> 1:08:01.040 You know, because I would notice all your appearances on 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:05.560 Soul Train, Marl, let me talk the most junk about you. 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:12.200 Guys are sports prowess and in basketball and softball. I 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:14.320 didn't know if that was like an actual thing, Like 1:08:14.400 --> 1:08:14.680 there was. 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:18.360 A no, it's serious, and then there's a there's a 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:22.600 picture somewhere. I saw Jackie playing basketball. Jackie used to 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:26.479 play Marvin gay all the time at Marvia Gaye's house. 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:28.320 Didn't you Jackie, you'll go one on one? 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.519 He would call me over. We played one on one. 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:38.160 He said, jack ain't paying no damn taxes and he 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:41.040 wrote a song about it. I can't pay my taxes. 1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:43.400 Make me want to holler right right. 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:45.320 We used to play all the time, one on one, 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:46.320 all the time at his house. 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:51.479 He called, but he would push you around. Marvin played 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.000 really rough though dirty. 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:58.400 Okay, yeah, when you're in when when you get to 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:03.360 l a like who and older? Who were your peers 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:05.880 or like who would you hang with? Was it just 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:09.200 in house or did you guys have like a relationship 1:09:09.240 --> 1:09:13.000 with the Silvers or anybody that was your age or anything. 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:15.520 Except we just hung together. We stayed in the recordings 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:22.000 to be all. That's all Cord Cord record even on Sundays. 1:09:23.160 --> 1:09:27.360 They recorded all the time, and and then we would 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:30.840 go out and do concerts. We had a curfew, so 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:33.599 we had to be in bed at a certain time 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:37.560 and moms would come and tell our security, I know 1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:39.080 my daughter is up in there with Winnam Jackson. Like 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:40.800 you said, I can guarantee you they an't way wasn't 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.960 name Jackson's. They might be with one of them band members, 1:09:44.000 --> 1:09:45.080 but they ain't with with nothing of them. 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.479 Jackson's because I just did bed check and they. 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:53.519 All our very first, our very first big concert. Mm hm, 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:58.200 you know where it was, Mormon, the very first big concert. 1:09:58.520 --> 1:10:01.479 You know where it was at the Forum with No. 1:10:01.760 --> 1:10:04.160 I'm talking about that one, the very first big one. 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:06.080 Guess where it was, jack. 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:09.880 Philadelphia, Philadelphia Spectrum, Philadelphia. 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:13.280 He said, that's where it was, remember, man, the first 1:10:13.360 --> 1:10:17.320 big start off. That's where Philadelphia. That's where it was there. 1:10:17.720 --> 1:10:22.080 Okay, So there's there's a folklore tale. One of the 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:27.120 most famous graffiti writers in Philadelphia's name is Cornbread. The 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:29.760 legend of Cornbread is like the places that he would 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:35.040 tag his his name, and the reason why that Philadelphia show, 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:37.400 the reason why I know about it, even though I 1:10:37.520 --> 1:10:41.240 wasn't old enough to know about it, is that somehow 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:47.840 Cornbread had managed to tag the Jackson five airplane with 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:52.960 his name, which basically set his legend into like the 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:56.360 graffiti world, like he tagged the Jackson five airplane from 1:10:56.439 --> 1:11:00.880 their Philadelphia Spectrum show. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean he's 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:03.439 still living off that vocalo, right, now he's like sixty 1:11:03.880 --> 1:11:07.400 three years old. He finally signed a jacket for me 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:10.519 after decades, a big and for it. I want to 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:14.960 ask about the move to Epic. You know, between there's 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:19.120 sort of that period in which past the beginning stage 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:22.599 of Motown where you guys are putting the Vegas Act together, 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:28.560 about to do the Variety Show, and of course you 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:34.880 moved to Philly International Epic. What was basically I mean, 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:40.320 were you guys trying to develop your music even before then, Like, 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:44.960 were you guys writing actively writing and producing by that 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:46.519 point or yeah, we. 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:50.080 When we learned so much, you know, by then with 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:54.160 all the Motown writers and the producers. It's like going 1:11:54.160 --> 1:11:56.120 to school there anyway, because you learned so much they 1:11:56.160 --> 1:11:59.920 teacher at the same time. And all the wonderful hit 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:02.760 that we had with Motown who put us on the map, 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:05.759 Barry Gordy and the whole crew and crew of writers. 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:08.559 It was just amazing with the done for us. 1:12:08.600 --> 1:12:11.760 And at that time our contract was running out, we 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:13.960 felt that it was time for us to start writing 1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:17.920 some of our music because at that time we felt 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:20.560 the mes was kind of young and abc and a 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:22.599 little bit and kind of kind of bubble Gummers. 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:24.439 But it was the top of music that was geared 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:28.960 to everybody to love. But we decided it's time let 1:12:29.000 --> 1:12:30.680 us to start writing some music, you know. 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:34.400 So we decided to no longer side with Motown, to 1:12:34.520 --> 1:12:38.360 go to another label where we can show them our 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:41.599 ability to write songs and also produced records. 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:44.280 So they put us with Gammel in Huff, you know, 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:46.960 And we were so excited to be with those guys 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:50.080 because those guys were known for writing hits on groups 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:53.000 like Teddy Pendergrass and the Old Jays. 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:54.400 You just the list goes on. 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:56.599 And on the Cowboys the Girls. 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.599 That's my favorite game, Cowboys the Girl. 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:00.960 But what that group. 1:13:04.640 --> 1:13:06.560 And we figured that we if we get with the 1:13:06.680 --> 1:13:09.599 Jackson Gid with Gambling Huff, it's over with, It's gonna 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:11.719 be a big time, you know what I'm saying. 1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:13.880 So, what are your thoughts on those albums? Now? 1:13:14.040 --> 1:13:15.240 Like now, over time? 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:19.800 Incredible, incredible, man, Gambling Huff. 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:20.720 We got there. 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:22.600 We spent time just talking. 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:25.559 And talking, and we call the whole album in two weeks. 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:30.919 In two weeks, man, I would say, my favorite material 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:32.840 is still I mean the Gambler stuff. 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:34.880 I mean, it's enjoy yourself and show you. I mean, 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:35.559 those are plazas. 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:38.599 But for me personally, man, I just love when y'all 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:40.800 wrote your own stuff like that was that's that's that 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:41.519 ship with jamming. 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:44.840 I just like y'all y'all doing your own material. Man, 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:46.240 that ship was just it was great. 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.160 So we wrote, you know, first we wrote to We 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:51.800 wrote two songs on the on the album. Then we 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.400 gamble wrote the rests and songs, and all of a 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:57.240 sudden they gave us a whole album. 1:13:57.439 --> 1:13:59.360 Start writing because I guess. 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:04.160 I guess, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:10.480 My elementary school was right next door to Philly International, 1:14:10.600 --> 1:14:14.400 So oftentimes, like first second grade, I'd see you guys 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:16.320 running to your car. 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:17.080 On Broad Street. 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:21.639 Really yeah, my I went to a performing arts school, 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.559 which was if Philly International, I think was three ten 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:29.000 Broad Street. My school was three thirteen, So oftentimes you'd 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:33.160 see like Teddy Pendergrad, you'd see everyone outside. But you know, 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:36.360 of course I knew when the Jacksons were in proximity 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:38.840 because every girl in that school just run outside, and 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:41.040 it's like, oh, the Jackson's must to be next door 1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:41.519 or something. 1:14:42.479 --> 1:14:47.080 But I asked that question about the seventies because it 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:50.080 just hit me. Can you tell me who the group 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:55.080 MDLT was? Because I collected a lot of records and 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:59.719 probably one of the highest priced forty fives that someone 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:02.040 tried to get me for it was a Jackson five 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:06.160 produced song called What's Your Game by M d l T. 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:08.240 What's Your Game? 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:11.720 It was like they were m d l T was 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:14.600 like a I think the legends that they were on 1:15:14.800 --> 1:15:19.000 Ivory Tower. Yeah, Ivory Tower. 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:22.360 Like four Girls yea was my father's group. 1:15:23.120 --> 1:15:25.240 Okay, so they just saw like the Dinah Ross thing. 1:15:25.280 --> 1:15:28.800 They just use the and of course the Sucleite me 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:31.000 comes along. It's like, yeah, I'll pay thousand for that. Okay, 1:15:31.160 --> 1:15:35.080 I get it now. So that was just on his label. 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:39.160 But you guys didn't specifically produce that single or anything. 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:39.559 Correct. 1:15:40.400 --> 1:15:43.120 I don't remember producing we're doing anything? You did? 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:46.120 Yes, we did. You don't remember. 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:51.120 He's right, we did that, Okay. I at least don't 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:52.320 feel ripped off of pain for that. 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:56.360 We did. 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:56.760 Okay. 1:15:57.200 --> 1:16:01.640 So Jackie, I've meant I mentioned this and and your 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:09.880 and your brother's documentary for Off the Wall that one 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:14.960 of my favorite moments, and discovering that that demo on 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:18.200 shake your body down to the ground. Was you yelling, 1:16:19.040 --> 1:16:21.040 I can't wait for the begs to hear this ship? 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.120 Oh my god, yeah, it's my favorite thing ever. It's 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:31.719 rights right. Do you end the demo and it stops? 1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:34.439 He's the bgs to hear this ship? 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:38.320 My mommy was at your house? And then that's a 1:16:38.400 --> 1:16:40.519 song we were doing like half a song. We was 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:44.519 messing around this this messing around with a groove and 1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:47.120 we was making up something, remember that, And I said 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:49.040 something like I can win the bgs here. 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:49.599 He's right. 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:52.439 I said that, and they caught that stuff, and I 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:54.800 staid with viral, didn't it? A lot of a lot 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:56.599 of people did with viral? 1:16:57.080 --> 1:17:00.400 Yeah, Like what what were your I don't remember that. 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:02.800 I mean at that at that point, I know that 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:04.760 you had to, you know, something to prove. And this 1:17:04.920 --> 1:17:06.400 is like the moment that you guys are going to 1:17:06.439 --> 1:17:08.479 step to the plate and produce your own material. But 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.080 were you guys seriously eyeing like, Okay, they sold twelve 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:15.280 million units, that's us, Like that's what we want? 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:16.040 Like what? 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:18.920 Yeah, in your mind? Was were they the standards of 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:21.040 who to be? Like why not Earth went and Fire 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:22.200 or p Funk. 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:23.960 Or I don't know. 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:27.240 Maybe I don't know, maybe say that about the BG. 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:31.240 It just came out, BGS. Here this ship, it just happened. 1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:32.320 I just named the BG. 1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:35.560 It could have been I could have been just you know, 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:38.920 it just happened. It was we was in sane something 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:41.880 like the little group, just making something as we go along, 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:44.240 and I said, wait, this ship or something like that. 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:45.320 I remember something like that. 1:17:45.560 --> 1:17:50.280 Yeah, okay, ironically we all get inducted into the Rock 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:52.200 and Roll Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety seven. 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:58.439 Together, oh together, all that came out b G. 1:18:00.640 --> 1:18:03.680 Also, I also asked your brother Randy this question. So 1:18:03.800 --> 1:18:07.799 in terms of presentation and theatrics, like, you guys definitely 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:11.439 raise the game higher. I mean, by that point in 1:18:11.520 --> 1:18:15.080 seventy seven, you know, earth wind Fire is bringing theatrics 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:19.640 to the game, and p Funk definitely was bringing theatrics. 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:19.639 To the game. 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:24.360 But yeah, man, then I always wanted to know, though, 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:30.720 why was Randy the designated agitator? Like usually any explosions 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:34.400 were because of Randy either throwing you guys in a 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:39.000 pit or throwing some flash paper and exploit, Like, why 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:43.320 was he the one? Like you know, it's like you 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:45.479 guys are brothers in the first twenty three minutes and 1:18:45.520 --> 1:18:47.440 then Randy does this terrorist. 1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:53.320 Act like Okay, then I'm to this fire and it's 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:56.200 gonna explode and we'll have on new outfits like well. 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:57.840 Because you're right, I've never looked at it like that. 1:18:57.920 --> 1:19:00.600 But you're right, though, Why was he the signated that 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:02.320 guy to do? 1:19:03.320 --> 1:19:06.320 Because he was because he wasn't in the Jackson fire. 1:19:06.360 --> 1:19:06.720 That's why. 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:15.080 How did you guys conceptualize those shows? Though? 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:16.599 I told you just to cry. 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:18.439 When we used to go on the road and drive 1:19:18.560 --> 1:19:21.320 down and drive our driveway going out the gate heading 1:19:21.400 --> 1:19:24.120 for the airport, he would cry like a baby sitting 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:26.080 the driver because he thought he was coming with us, 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:27.120 you know, so he thought. 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:30.880 He pushing the butt, he pushed the button for the 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:35.040 gate for the car to leave, did y'all y'all. 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:37.280 Didn't initiate him when he came when he finally became 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:40.960 a part, did you like, he was always there. 1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:45.599 But he was around, but he was hanging around before 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:48.120 he became, you know, full member. 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:51.160 And when they became a full member. I remember doing 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:55.400 this concert one time. This is so funny, packed to 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.920 the rapt us all the way around, number of people. 1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:00.880 So n he's on the state. He's get his shot 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:03.040 to be on the stage. And he was playing his 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:06.000 ass because he can play some Kol's bungles and all 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:06.479 that stuff. 1:20:06.520 --> 1:20:06.680 You know. 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.760 That's all of a sudden, it's time for Randy to 1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:12.840 do a solo, right, all of a sudden he gets 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:15.640 the spotlight get on it for him to play and. 1:20:15.680 --> 1:20:19.720 Do a solo right right, and the music breaks. 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:25.240 And Randy from up. 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:28.200 Randy looked up and so all these people start looking 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:30.519 around around like this, around seeing all this. 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:37.519 He forgot his solo. He did plays play keep looking 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:42.240 around all these twenty thousand people in there. Oh man, 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:45.840 yeah he didn't play man. Then he came up later. Yeah, 1:20:46.000 --> 1:20:47.320 he came in later. Yeah. 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:49.519 Now I'm gonna tell you a story. 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:54.519 On the thirtieth anniversary, was doing you know, Shakey Body, 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:56.160 and we went to one corner of the stage. We 1:20:56.280 --> 1:20:58.800 run to the other corner of the stage. So we 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:01.519 ran to the y'all didn't even know this was happening 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:04.479 on stage. We ran to the corner stage and we 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:07.920 do our break and we freeze and were just waiting there, 1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:11.360 waiting there, waiting there, and Michael goes, what's next, what's next? 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:13.920 I said, Michael, you're supposed. 1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:14.160 To count it off. 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:18.000 What this is going on? 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:20.400 This is going on stage and you didn't even know it. 1:21:24.960 --> 1:21:26.160 Oh he didn't know the next cue? 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:28.720 No, the next cue was here. He's about to go 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:33.479 to start the band again. Oh, and he's telling us 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:34.559 what's next? What's next? 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:42.439 That's for television, what's the next? I remember that? 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:47.680 Yeah, so for for those for those shows, though, how 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:51.280 much preparation goes into that, and like who decides what 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:56.080 musicians come aboard? Who decides like Duck Henning is now 1:21:56.880 --> 1:22:00.439 I'm assuming that's Duck Henning that helped the. 1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:04.439 First The only thing Doug Henny did, what's the what's 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:04.960 the magic? 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:09.200 That's all he did, even introducing magic to a show 1:22:09.400 --> 1:22:12.720 like who who? Like what what's the pre meeting? The 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:16.400 pre meeting? Uh situation like before that, even. 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.840 Before Jackie you you might not know. Before you all came, 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:23.559 Michael and I went and we met with Doug Henny 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:27.360 to look at all whatever magic he had, and we 1:22:27.520 --> 1:22:28.120 picked the one. 1:22:29.479 --> 1:22:30.519 We picked the one that. 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:34.680 Goes up and explosion there that that would work for 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:37.760 the show. And then you all came. The second time 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:39.759 we used making it wasn't Doug Canny Jackie? 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:40.040 Who was? 1:22:40.200 --> 1:22:40.880 I forgot who. 1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:54.160 He's on the Come on Copperfield, David Copper He's right right, 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:55.280 he's the one. 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:59.800 But what was the decision to add those elements to this? 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:03.120 That just came out of nowhere? 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.320 Because you know, at that particular time, a lot of 1:23:06.360 --> 1:23:09.080 acts were doing something similar to that. You know, they 1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:14.720 had something special like so like an illusion or something 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:18.640 like that, right, yeah, And we decided we add this 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:19.120 to the show. 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:21.120 It's going to be something incredible, you know, you know 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:21.760 when I. 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:27.200 Show, because we we've always had a high energy type show, 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:31.000 you know, okay, people dancing and a lot of a 1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:35.280 lot of energy and pretty much a nice sized production. 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:37.600 So we decided we add this to the show. It 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:39.960 would just go over the top, you know, right, That's 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:41.639 how and that's how we were thinking. 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:44.519 I was going to say, I'll let my look, I'll 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:49.160 let the listeners know that, especially watching all this as 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:53.280 like a nine ten year older, no one has utilized 1:23:53.720 --> 1:23:58.719 slow motion effects better than the Jackson's. Like practically every 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:01.680 variety show they were ever on, there's a movement. I mean, 1:24:01.720 --> 1:24:03.880 I thought you guys could fly because there's always some 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:07.640 point in that performance where you guys either running or 1:24:08.680 --> 1:24:10.600 airlifting like seven feet up in the air, and I 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:12.720 was like, Yo, the Jacksons could really fly like that. 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.880 I didn't realize untill later that you know, that's called 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:20.080 post editing. But I just thought, you guys at magic 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:20.919 flying ability. 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:24.519 I want to know how you guys, you know we 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.800 were talking about we were talking about the CBS years. 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:31.000 How when you guys left Motown and you know, how 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:34.200 did y'all kind of repair that relationship with Barry Gordy 1:24:34.280 --> 1:24:36.240 later on? Like how did he, you know, take y'all 1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:39.599 leaving and you know, where's the Joab's relationship at with him? 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:39.760 Now? 1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:44.040 We're cool, always. 1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:45.919 Cool. 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:49.640 You know, business is business. Just a business decision, and 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:52.800 we were young. It was a decision that my father 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:57.400 actually you know, you know, made and and so we 1:24:57.560 --> 1:25:00.720 moved forward on it. But I think one of the 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:04.920 I remember someone telling me, Jackie, you might have that. 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:08.040 Barry Gordy said, the worst thing he ever did is let. 1:25:07.960 --> 1:25:09.759 The Jackson five get away from Motown. 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:10.720 Man. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:16.320 Yeah, And there was no like space or room for 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:19.920 any discussion of Okay, how many songs do you want 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:24.400 to produce? Or or I'll call your bluff and see 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:25.960 if you guys would like Did he really think you 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:27.360 guys wouldn't leave or anything. 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:31.600 I don't know the details, but I think basically he 1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:34.639 felt that it wasn't broke. Why try to fix something 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:40.680 that's working, you know? So basically I don't think he 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:45.480 had that. We had never wrote or produced anything publicly, 1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:49.519 so I think he just felt why changed things? 1:25:51.160 --> 1:26:01.200 Yeah, I have questions about the Triumph album because that's where, individually, 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:04.000 you guys really came into your own as far as 1:26:04.040 --> 1:26:08.639 songwriting and producing is concerned. Side note, Jackie, you you've 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:11.640 actually written my favorite Jackson song of all time, like 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:15.320 Your Ways is like my all time favorite song in life. 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:21.040 Oh oh god, yeah, no, no, no doubt. I mean, 1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:23.679 no offense to you other Jackson's, but you know that's 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:28.599 you go where you go off all your ways, that's 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:30.160 the way I go up forgive it up? I love 1:26:30.240 --> 1:26:32.120 I know Marlin, like that's you you sing in lead 1:26:32.240 --> 1:26:34.639 with Michael on that one man. I love, I love 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:35.519 that song man. 1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:38.240 And I thought y'all really was y'all was that in 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:39.920 sence y'all trying to go for kind of the yacht 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:42.519 rock kind of I guess that you know that kind 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:42.800 of song. 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:45.320 No, it just said that's what the song called for, 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:46.880 So that's what you get it. 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:47.800 I love it. 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:51.880 There's the magic that happens in the studio when you're working. 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:54.479 All of a sudden somebody hit you with someone the 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:57.760 song needs this, bam, so you do it. You know, 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:02.560 it's it's uh, you know, it's just work. It's just 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:05.080 you know, you can't go in and say I'm gonna 1:27:05.080 --> 1:27:06.519 do this, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna do that. 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:07.559 It doesn't work that way. 1:27:08.560 --> 1:27:08.720 You know. 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:11.720 It's it's a feel listen. You know. That's why I 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:14.320 try to tell some of the kids today. And with 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:17.479 all these electronics that they use, and I tell people, 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:20.320 how are they supposed to get the sound the way 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:23.640 that instrument really sound if you never heard that instrument? Right? 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:27.600 And and and and these these these three albums that 1:27:27.680 --> 1:27:29.840 were just released a couple of days ago. 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:31.000 Mm hmmm. 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:34.320 They have great songs on the songs that never get 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:37.240 that attention, you know what I'm saying. But your Ways 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:39.839 now they sticking those out and they did some remixing. 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.160 They sound great, really, I mean. 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:44.880 It's the blues Away used one of my favorite Yeah, 1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:48.160 they sound great and that's what you get for being 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:48.920 polite and things. 1:27:49.040 --> 1:27:51.559 Yeah, that's on there too. Yeah, all that stuff here. 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:53.880 It sounds great. Different mixes on it. 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:56.200 How do you guys write the songs together? 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.560 Well, we started, we started writing. We started writing the 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:02.880 deaths in the album when Michael was doing the Wizz. 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:06.040 You know, That's why I wanted to know, how is 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:08.759 it like? How what was the process of doing Destiny 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:10.680 while he was doing the Whiz? Did it come out 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:11.439 before or after? 1:28:12.520 --> 1:28:14.800 Wells was after the Whiz? Correct? 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:18.040 Yes, right, we were getting the studio and just start 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:20.360 writing songs. We you know, meet up at noon and 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:23.719 we're going to spend you know, four or five five 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:25.479 hours in the studio and we're going to come up 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:26.880 with some stuff and write some songs. 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:32.240 And sometimes we do. Tito had this big camper, you know, 1:28:32.360 --> 1:28:34.840 with the three stooges on it. We would take it 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:38.720 out to the beach and sit by the ocean and 1:28:38.800 --> 1:28:41.120 write lyrics. And we would do things like that and 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:44.120 go out in different plant areas and go in to 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:46.880 camper and just write lyrics and come back, you know, 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:50.080 spend about five or six hours out you know, the 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:54.560 Pacific ocean, at the beach and park the camper sideways 1:28:54.600 --> 1:28:56.880 and just look at the ways, and we have food 1:28:56.920 --> 1:29:01.800 in their sandwiches, and we write lyrics and write songs. Yeah, 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:04.920 they go back in the studio record because we all 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:05.759 had a whole recording. 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:10.600 Oh okay, gotcha, man, I must know for all the 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:13.160 people in my generation. So this song came out. I 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:16.400 guess I was four the video for can You Feel It? 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:19.320 Dude? That was the. 1:29:19.400 --> 1:29:21.040 Scariest, most awesome. 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:25.760 Can I piggyback on top of that? On top of that? 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:28.280 See you were four with can You Feel It? 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:32.599 But try explaining to a seven year old this reflection 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:36.080 ship for blaming on the boogie, which absolutely scared the 1:29:36.160 --> 1:29:38.800 ship out of me as a kid because Soul Train 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:40.639 would come on at one in the morning. So watching 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.880 you guys with this reflective ship and like here my 1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:46.840 dad's musicians say, like, oh, that's what the anassd trip is, 1:29:46.880 --> 1:29:50.280 like a mere Like again, I know you guys are 1:29:50.360 --> 1:29:53.439 one step ahead of technology with everything that y'all have done, 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.400 But what was I mean? 1:29:55.560 --> 1:29:59.680 Yeah, blame it on the boogie and can you Feel It? 1:30:00.720 --> 1:30:04.479 They were big right, Yeah, I was like the big 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:10.880 niggas just frequently I could run away from it. 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:16.000 I think by that point you guys are in your 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:21.120 mid twenties, almost thirty, so it's different. But when you're 1:30:22.200 --> 1:30:25.080 you're watching, when you're watching under the age of ten, 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:26.440 it's a whole another. 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:27.479 It's a different thing. 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:29.760 Yeah, Blame It on the Boogie used to actually scare me, 1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:33.320 like just to watch because I couldn't understand this whole 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:36.880 reflection thing and free it. 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:40.360 That scared me became Michael with thrilling. 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:42.360 Thanks Thriller. 1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:46.160 We were after scaring us for two years with that 1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:51.880 ship as big as marbles chain, said Michael. And don't 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:53.920 stop to get enough, like we were used to it 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:58.120 at the time. But yeah, even when making Okay, so 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:00.360 in doing the Blame It on the Boogie video, was 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:02.360 that just like fifteen minutes out of your life? 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:03.000 Like what do we do? 1:31:03.120 --> 1:31:05.280 We go over there, we dance, Okay, that's it, like 1:31:05.840 --> 1:31:06.400 and those are. 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:08.040 Just effects we put on there afterwards? 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:11.040 You know, you know how long did that whole process 1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:13.519 take in Like just to record you just did like 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:15.639 a couple of takes of it and then that was it. Yeah. 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:17.600 Yeah, all the all the work is really done in 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:24.200 the editing room on a lot of those videos. Watch it, 1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:26.760 and it is done on a greens A lot of 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:29.760 stuff is done on a green screen or a chroma key, 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:33.479 whatever you want to call it, right, Yes, and I 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:35.519 mean today they have it a lot easier. You can 1:31:35.760 --> 1:31:38.840 do stuff on your computer and everything is at your fingertips. 1:31:38.960 --> 1:31:41.200 But it wasn't that way back in the day, not 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:41.639 at all. 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:46.240 Who chose the musician personnel for those records? Because you 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:49.800 guys had like the monsters, you had like feeling gains, 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:53.640 Nathan Watts and great feeling gains. Yeah, explain work with 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:54.519 great feeling gains. 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.040 Those guys basically hung out with her. They were like 1:31:57.120 --> 1:31:57.760 trends of ours. 1:31:57.760 --> 1:31:58.240 We hung out. 1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:05.320 Yeah, Yeah, we hung out a lot together, all of us. Williams, 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:10.760 Ray Parker all the show. We all hang out. We 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:12.040 all hung out together. 1:32:13.200 --> 1:32:13.400 Yeah. 1:32:13.479 --> 1:32:16.759 Ray Parker played on a lot of Jackson's material. 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:22.559 You know David Williams, Yeah, he's David Is I feel 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:25.680 like an extension of I mean, he's Billy Preston as 1:32:25.680 --> 1:32:26.439 far as I'm concerned. 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:29.400 To you, guys, Beatles like his guitar sound is like. 1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:33.760 It is people even our band members. Man, David got 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:36.680 some bad guitar leagues. You know, how did he get there? 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:41.120 I said, we we told David what we wanted him 1:32:41.160 --> 1:32:44.880 to play. So so we we come up with a 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:48.160 guitar in our head, and we tell him how to 1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:51.000 play it and how we wanted to sound, and and 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:55.960 then we go back and what made that? David's the 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:59.640 guitar playing They already had bite but to make, but 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.920 to make it even stronger than what it was we were. 1:33:04.320 --> 1:33:08.200 He would he was a massive locking it down, locking it. 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:09.880 He wouldn't lock it, but. 1:33:15.160 --> 1:33:17.200 He just like he would bite it when he played 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.439 like he's like he's pulling the strings. 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:21.680 Sounds like that. 1:33:23.400 --> 1:33:24.720 Okay, David, we gotta do another take. 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:26.080 Okay, wait a minute, let me get a pizza of 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:33.599 my chicken. What he has some fried chicken on the side. 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:38.839 He liked to get these fingers. 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.280 An, I know what I want to ask. Okay, I 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:47.000 cheat it. I have the sim so I've heard it. 1:33:47.840 --> 1:33:48.439 I gotta know. 1:33:49.040 --> 1:33:54.160 Okay, I'm assuming that because of how time has to 1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:57.840 be edited so that an entire album side can fit. 1:33:59.120 --> 1:34:06.360 Jackie on wondering who why was Michael's bridge taken out? 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:11.000 Was it just to cut? Was it just to cut 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:13.240 or edit so that that. 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:16.960 Let me explain what you tell. So the listener is 1:34:17.000 --> 1:34:20.960 gonna stand back. If you had too much low in 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:24.080 and you try to master it, it'll spread and eat 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:27.920 up more of the record. You have to master and 1:34:28.000 --> 1:34:30.800 get the right sounds and get everything. It's not that 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:33.799 way today, but you know, and we go to Bernie 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:38.439 Grub and mastering all he did all the mastering, and 1:34:39.200 --> 1:34:41.680 a lot of times we'd be in the studio. I mean, 1:34:42.200 --> 1:34:45.120 how many minutes is it? You know, because we only 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:48.439 can put so many minutes on a record. Yeah, yeah, 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:50.479 and if you got to sell, if you got a 1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:52.599 record like Shake your Body with a lot of low end, 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:56.360 then your minutes get less because it's gonna eat up 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:59.640 more space. And so we will always keep track of 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:02.280 the time. Oh how much time that we had to 1:35:02.360 --> 1:35:04.640 put on there and get in there, and sometimes we 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:07.800 had to make edits. That's right, so it'll fit. 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:13.400 So my question is though, I mean, you know, walk 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:18.040 right Now is a guardiange Wan time song seven minutes right, 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:21.439 Like why not edit from walk right Now instead of 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:25.160 taking like Michael's part out of wondering? 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:25.360 Who? 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:28.120 I mean, no one misses it because no one's ever 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:30.320 heard it. But I thought that was a very curious 1:35:30.520 --> 1:35:32.640 edit and always wondered like. 1:35:33.200 --> 1:35:34.400 Why did you take his part out? 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:38.240 Well, you could have saved twenty three minutes. You could 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:40.960 have shaved twenty three seconds from walk right now. 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:47.360 But instead you don't know that answer, No, Jackie, don't 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:47.600 know that. 1:35:50.439 --> 1:35:53.960 It just happened. We weren't filling it and it was 1:35:54.080 --> 1:35:57.479 just happening. But on Walk right now, we wanted to 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:09.640 capture it. Walk right now anyway, but we uh, we 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:13.400 had the percussionist of Pauline or the Costa you said, Uh, 1:36:14.120 --> 1:36:16.880 it used to come in the studio and he have all. 1:36:16.840 --> 1:36:19.360 His toys around him and all that stuff, right, and 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:20.040 so he's. 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:23.519 Trying to get some sound. But yes, and he would 1:36:23.560 --> 1:36:25.600 be laughing playing but he can play his rump off 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:29.240 and uh, and we want to make sure that we 1:36:29.360 --> 1:36:31.639 kept all the stuff. He did keep all the stuff 1:36:32.320 --> 1:36:36.600 and on walk right now, what we one of the 1:36:36.680 --> 1:36:39.000 things we did is we took the tape. We splice it, 1:36:39.120 --> 1:36:41.200 and we took the tape and we played it backwards. 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:44.479 Yeah, you know, so we because you. 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:46.320 Know, computers today you can do whatever you want to do, 1:36:46.400 --> 1:36:48.439 but back in those days, but when you do that, 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:51.679 you've got to make sure that it's insanc. You gotta 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:57.760 be on the downbeat, and it takes. It took a 1:36:57.880 --> 1:36:59.960 while for us to get that down just the way 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:02.280 we wanted so it could come right on the down boundary. 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:06.439 It wasn't something that just happened like that. And we're 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:09.240 breathing over the over the engineer to make sure he's 1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:11.960 splicing at the right time, right spot, because you don't 1:37:11.960 --> 1:37:15.640 get a chance, second chance right exactly, you know, And 1:37:15.920 --> 1:37:19.080 he's nervous and get the razor blade and you know, 1:37:19.200 --> 1:37:22.639 then Spice put it all back together and we listened 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:26.760 to it. It ain't to down be okay. We got 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:30.360 to come back reverse and put him you know, So 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:30.840 it took. 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:32.720 It took some time, you know what I mean, right, 1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:36.719 you know, No, I totally look Steve, I'm surprised Steve's 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:40.439 not weighing in. Probably of any album that I've studied, 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:43.400 the mixing and mastering of is probably the Triumph record. 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:48.800 I asked, uh, well, yeah, the last couple of years 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:49.719 of my life have been. 1:37:51.800 --> 1:37:55.800 You know, yeah, for my fortieth I asked back when 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:58.559 Nellie Reid was president of EPIC, if I could, if 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:02.719 you could send me all the all the the stems 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:06.040 so I could study, and yeah, walk Right Now had 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:09.160 a lot of tracks on it, even that part with 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:14.920 Da Costa's solo with all those percussion things like just 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:17.240 the pain sticking, and you guys did it without pro. 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:22.640 Tools, so yeah, yeah, I know you guys had to 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:25.920 make that ship up. Marlon. 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:31.200 By this point, also you were doing producing yourself, working 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:35.960 on a Betty Wright's record, in addition your sister Janet 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:39.120 working on her. Like, what can you talk about your 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:41.080 first four rays into outside producing? 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:45.479 Well, don't stand another chance? Is is a song that 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:46.719 Jump Barnes and I wrote? 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:50.280 And can you also explain the cheryline connection with that. 1:38:51.080 --> 1:38:54.920 Because there's no Shirlene connection. 1:38:56.240 --> 1:39:01.839 Well, the I have a track of of a Sheerln 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:06.759 song singing the same rhythm track, but just new lyrics 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:09.920 of it. I never understood the difference between I've never 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:11.959 heard that. Yeah, it's called. 1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:16.200 Love, that's ques love. Chris got stuff you don't even have. 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:22.719 Did you have been up on Mars? 1:39:25.080 --> 1:39:25.960 I actually asked. 1:39:27.040 --> 1:39:30.479 I was confused about it, and Jimmy Jim had told 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:33.320 me there's yeah, there's a song that came out on 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:36.800 on her Instant not the Instant Love album. 1:39:36.800 --> 1:39:41.720 But it's called Love Love Rush Love Rush. It's on 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:43.080 the Preppy album. 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:45.960 So I wanted to know, if you like, what was 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:48.800 what was the working relationship with John Barnes as far 1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:51.719 as putting that song together. 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:56.800 We just came in and John John was playing this 1:39:56.920 --> 1:39:59.400 song and you wanted me to do the lyrics and 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:02.040 and so I said, yeah, let's get it done. 1:40:02.120 --> 1:40:02.519 Let's do it. 1:40:02.840 --> 1:40:05.920 And so we worked on worked on it together. John 1:40:05.960 --> 1:40:07.960 and John, John Barnes and I used to hang. 1:40:07.880 --> 1:40:09.040 Out all the time. He used to come over to 1:40:09.160 --> 1:40:09.880 the house all the time. 1:40:10.400 --> 1:40:12.680 We're just start writing stuff and doing stuff. 1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:16.599 And working with with Betty Wright also that process. 1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:19.479 Betty, Betty is a Betty is a great person. She's ah, 1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:24.080 you know, rest in peace. She just passed away, right, 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:27.320 but she she was. She's a great woman. She's a 1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:30.680 great singer too. And on that album, Luther did a 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:33.160 lot of background stuff on that album before people knew 1:40:33.160 --> 1:40:37.040 who Luther Vandross was, you know. And I had a 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:40.320 great time in the studio working with Betty. And you know, 1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:45.400 she's funny, she's she's a vocal coach as well. Uh, 1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:48.519 you know, and Betty knew every damn body you know, 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:50.920 So when you needed something, she's a don't worry, I 1:40:51.000 --> 1:40:53.880 got it. You know, we're calling people to do stuff 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:57.479 for us, and the end, uh. I called in John 1:40:57.560 --> 1:41:01.000 Barnes to come in because we had this band that 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:04.519 was doing these tracks with us, and and the tracks 1:41:04.640 --> 1:41:08.600 kept swimming and the drama just couldn't keep time. And 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:15.120 so the Limb machine, the drum limb machine had just 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:19.880 come out, right, So I told John to stop at 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:23.360 my house and grab my drum limb machine, because you know, 1:41:23.560 --> 1:41:26.840 I knew how to program that that machine to make 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:31.040 drums sound like to make to make them sound like 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:35.240 rest wrong, like real, like like real, real drums. 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:36.040 And that's the whole key. 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:36.920 I don't want to take it. 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:41.080 Please, actually, Jackie for you as well, I know that 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:44.120 your solo album came out in seventy three. Are you 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:47.000 Are you even aware that Is It Him or Me? 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:50.840 Is kind of held up in high regard and in 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:52.679 sort of hip hop circles. 1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:53.800 That's kind of a. 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:57.679 Well because it has a drum, a famous drum break 1:41:57.760 --> 1:42:01.400 on it that you know, an obscure album can suddenly 1:42:01.520 --> 1:42:05.960 become like uh no, no, no, no, it wasn't aware 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:09.479 in active Okay, Yeah, I was going to say, like 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:12.280 is it him or me? But I wanted to know 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:12.960 about that song? 1:42:13.280 --> 1:42:14.000 Is that to you? 1:42:14.200 --> 1:42:17.879 Just like it's funny you say that because I noticed 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:21.040 my boys. I got twin boys here, they're very young, and. 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:24.720 Over the last two weeks they've been playing that a 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:27.519 lot in the house and I was hearing it, you know, 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:30.160 I was upstairs. I was here, who's that singing? And 1:42:30.280 --> 1:42:32.840 it was me and you know, and my boys are 1:42:32.880 --> 1:42:34.400 like they're seven years old. 1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:34.640 You know. 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:37.560 It's twin boys, and they play all of our all 1:42:37.640 --> 1:42:40.040 of our music, all right, But all of a sudden, 1:42:40.040 --> 1:42:43.000 they was playing my solo album. I haven't heard that 1:42:43.080 --> 1:42:46.440 stuff in about twenty years, my solo stuff. 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:47.439 Maybe longer than that. 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:50.560 And it was planning and I was really I was 1:42:50.640 --> 1:42:52.840 really grooving off of it, you know, thanks to them, 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.519 but just bringing you know, to my attention. 1:42:55.800 --> 1:42:56.800 It sounds great, you. 1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:59.560 Know, yeah, a lot a lot of time when I 1:42:59.680 --> 1:43:03.640 toured Aspect, how come you don't do these songs? You know, 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:05.599 when I do the Meet and Wed, how come you're 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:06.479 not doing these songs? 1:43:06.560 --> 1:43:06.720 You know? 1:43:08.320 --> 1:43:13.960 For again, for hip hop producers, like that album is one. 1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:17.240 Of the you know, yeah, it's one of those things that's. 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:19.360 One of yeah, that just caught on. So for hip 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:22.200 hop collectors, like is it Him or Me? Is like 1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:25.760 one of our one of our our favorite songs. But 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:29.120 actually for the both of you, with you Marlon and 1:43:29.320 --> 1:43:34.000 with you Jackie working on Baby Tonight and your album 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:37.240 was a be the one, what was what was that 1:43:37.360 --> 1:43:42.120 process like, like finally working on your solo albums in 1:43:42.280 --> 1:43:45.679 that time period like after the after the Victory album 1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:47.680 and and those things, like, what was what was that 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:50.799 process like for you working on those albums? 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:54.439 For me, it was, well, I had a studio in 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:57.040 the back of my house, so I'll get up in 1:43:57.160 --> 1:44:00.200 pajamas and just going to studios, spin off on a 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:04.280 practice almost all night there and and just come up 1:44:04.320 --> 1:44:07.320 with a bunch of stuff or you know, in the 1:44:07.400 --> 1:44:11.960 studio and there's a lot of stuff that I have 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:15.200 that was never released or you know, hasn't been out, 1:44:16.280 --> 1:44:17.840 and uh some good stuff too. 1:44:17.920 --> 1:44:19.960 I think I was playing some of some of it 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:21.320 the other day, and. 1:44:22.400 --> 1:44:24.519 You know, you've been doing it all your life, so 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:29.000 it's almost like second nature is not something you know 1:44:29.439 --> 1:44:30.040 that you whoa. 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:33.000 It's like, Okay, got to get another project. 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:35.200 Done, you got to do this. I mean, we grew 1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:38.439 up in the studio, we from from young kids to 1:44:39.040 --> 1:44:41.600 to now. So when you get in the studio, you 1:44:42.240 --> 1:44:44.560 you pretty much know the ins and out. You know, 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:48.080 you how to work the boards, how to engineer this stuff. 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:51.800 You know what you're looking for. So it was it 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:57.840 wasn't it wasn't that difficult. But it's fun, especially when 1:44:57.880 --> 1:44:59.839 you start working on some stuff for you for yourself. 1:45:00.200 --> 1:45:02.080 You know, you try to make it fun, but you 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:05.160 want to make sure, you know, you try to capture what. 1:45:05.200 --> 1:45:08.040 You're looking for. But it was, it wasn't that difficult. 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:09.559 I mean, you pretty much use. 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:11.599 The same guys that you always used on the Destiny. 1:45:11.680 --> 1:45:13.800 You call in Greg Field and Games to play some stuff, 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:17.439 David Williams to play some licks for you, some awesome 1:45:17.479 --> 1:45:19.679 stuff that you want to do. You know, you get 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:23.759 with Jerry Hale or somebody and give them the horned 1:45:23.840 --> 1:45:25.840 links you want to go right out the chart to do. 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:27.680 Let me in on this. 1:45:27.800 --> 1:45:30.920 And one thing about these these artists that we had, 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:34.839 these these you know, like I said before, these artists, 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:38.120 they they hung around us as friends, so they know 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:39.080 everything about us. 1:45:39.120 --> 1:45:40.840 They know exactly what we were looking for. 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:41.760 Uh. 1:45:41.880 --> 1:45:44.160 They were friends of all. We hung out together, and 1:45:44.280 --> 1:45:46.519 we we went to dinner together. We did a lot 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:48.439 of things. Matter of fact, they were our age. I 1:45:48.479 --> 1:45:52.120 mean they grew up with us, so everything came in 1:45:52.160 --> 1:45:54.400 the nature. It was easy, you know, quite easy. 1:45:55.080 --> 1:45:57.640 I was going to say, Marlon, one of one of 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:00.519 the bands that I like is is Critical and I 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:03.200 know that. Yeah, Fred Fred Mayer. 1:46:05.880 --> 1:46:06.560 The album with you? 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:06.920 What was it? 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:08.080 What was it like working with them? 1:46:08.080 --> 1:46:11.559 Fred was cool because it was my first time. Fred 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:13.960 is One turned me onto the AD one. I don't 1:46:13.960 --> 1:46:16.880 know if you're familiar with the add one drums drum kit? 1:46:18.320 --> 1:46:18.479 Is it? 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:19.400 Yeah? 1:46:19.479 --> 1:46:23.439 It's the same kid that Phil Collins use on I 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:25.080 can feel it in the air tonight. 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:29.599 Yeah, is that is that sounding? 1:46:30.120 --> 1:46:32.760 And fred Fred Turm on that And a matter of fact, 1:46:32.800 --> 1:46:36.240 I bought one and we came up and we wrote 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:38.960 a lot of stuff together. This I like screaty polity 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:40.519 today you be doing your stuff? Huh. 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:46.439 Like he. 1:46:48.320 --> 1:46:49.000 Had a sound. 1:46:54.680 --> 1:46:56.680 I got a whole scrits. I got to write that 1:46:56.760 --> 1:46:57.200 one down to. 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:01.479 We talked about them on another episode. I can't remember 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:04.160 it was. We went kind of deeply on them. 1:47:04.920 --> 1:47:05.160 Yeah. 1:47:05.200 --> 1:47:07.799 I was going to say, no, we're not just thriller 1:47:07.960 --> 1:47:11.000 bandwagoners like we're you know we we we know the 1:47:11.040 --> 1:47:14.040 whole spectrum of the entire work of you know, all 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:18.160 all nine of you. Actually, wait a minute, we're talking 1:47:18.160 --> 1:47:22.280 about scary videos. The one we never mentioned it was 1:47:22.360 --> 1:47:23.240 freaking torture. 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:29.080 Oh yeah, I yeah, I didn't. I didn't watch that one. Yeah, 1:47:29.320 --> 1:47:30.519 I didn't watch that one with. 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:35.960 Jackie the Eye in the HND. Why that was. 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:41.320 To Torture is a great song? 1:47:42.200 --> 1:47:44.439 No, it was. It was a great song. But now 1:47:44.479 --> 1:47:48.040 I just think of and like the Slime. 1:47:49.560 --> 1:47:49.840 Story. 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:54.120 We're on the Victory tour right the very beginning of 1:47:54.200 --> 1:47:57.960 the Victory Tour, and at the time I was dating 1:47:57.960 --> 1:47:59.960 Paul Abdul. At the time, I was the one who 1:48:04.520 --> 1:48:06.640 I was the one who got her in the industry. 1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:08.599 I mean when she was a Laker girl. I remember 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:10.400 sitting on the floor all. 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:11.800 The Abduchie did you get her? 1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:12.840 In the nasty video? 1:48:13.479 --> 1:48:16.120 Me and Marlin had see some Lake and see on 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:19.040 the floors when Magic Johnson was doing their thing at 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:23.400 the time, and I'm sitting on the floor and every 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:26.080 day I'm on the floor, walks around every day before 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:26.840 the game start. 1:48:27.040 --> 1:48:29.920 Dinzel would come over and say hello, tover we come for. 1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:33.200 He comes in Lake and I think, I think he 1:48:33.360 --> 1:48:36.360 just came off his first big movie, his first movie, 1:48:36.840 --> 1:48:39.280 and he would walk around the place and people really 1:48:39.280 --> 1:48:41.000 didn't know who he was, and he would come over 1:48:41.000 --> 1:48:41.760 and say hello to me. 1:48:41.920 --> 1:48:44.879 But he's Dinzel today. But anyway, I'm sitting. 1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:47.479 On the floor and all of a sudden, Paula comes 1:48:47.560 --> 1:48:50.680 over and another girl comes over, and they want an autograph, 1:48:50.840 --> 1:48:53.680 you know, And all of a sudden, I signed an 1:48:53.680 --> 1:48:57.839 autograph and she goes back and sit behind the basket, 1:48:57.960 --> 1:48:59.640 well you know where the Laker girls sit. Me and 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:02.719 sit behind the basket, and all of a sudden, Sam 1:49:02.800 --> 1:49:06.800 Watson come over and says, Jackie, Paula wants to know 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:09.280 that you want to have coffee, you have to be 1:49:09.400 --> 1:49:09.880 a game. 1:49:10.439 --> 1:49:14.479 And I said, sure, go tell her. 1:49:14.560 --> 1:49:14.720 Yeah. 1:49:14.720 --> 1:49:16.160 I made her after the game, and so we went 1:49:16.240 --> 1:49:19.160 to have some coffee and we became very good friends, 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:21.960 you know, and we dated for like four years. 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:22.280 You know. 1:49:22.880 --> 1:49:25.240 Next thing I know, she's doing Janet videos and put 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:27.519 her with Janet. Me and John McLean put her the Janet. 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:31.640 She's doing all the Janet stuff. And next thing, we 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:34.320 go on the Victory tour and we have way in 1:49:34.400 --> 1:49:37.559 New York City. So we had a cattle call of people, 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:41.280 maybe three hundred people to be in this video. And 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:44.680 she helped me arrange the video for torture video. And 1:49:45.520 --> 1:49:48.040 all of a sudden, I said, paul I want you 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:49.760 to choreograph this video. 1:49:49.960 --> 1:49:52.439 She said no. I said, Paula, I believe in you. 1:49:52.840 --> 1:49:55.680 You can do it. Don't be afraid. You can do this. 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:59.880 And she did and she that's the first video she choreographed. 1:50:00.680 --> 1:50:01.479 She put it together. 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:11.920 Yeah, slime in everything, Yeah, yes, okay, oh okay. And 1:50:12.320 --> 1:50:14.599 subsequent well, I assume that she also did the body 1:50:14.680 --> 1:50:18.360 video as well, because that was well, it was kind 1:50:18.439 --> 1:50:22.599 of a video of a cat of the body. 1:50:23.000 --> 1:50:24.120 She didn't Oh. 1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:27.240 No, Michael Peters did that. 1:50:27.640 --> 1:50:33.200 Oh Michael Peter, uh, the legendary Michael Peters. 1:50:33.840 --> 1:50:35.120 Yeah, Michael Peters are bad. 1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:37.559 I don't care what peace man. 1:50:39.360 --> 1:50:41.200 And I asked for a question, and you guys were 1:50:41.240 --> 1:50:41.920 talking about bands. 1:50:41.920 --> 1:50:44.599 I just wanted to ask about your touring bands, because 1:50:45.400 --> 1:50:48.840 you imagine that, like whatever the audition process is must 1:50:48.880 --> 1:50:51.360 be a must be crazy to audition for the Jackson's. 1:50:51.400 --> 1:50:53.400 But I know I was lucky enough, Like I don't know, 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:55.720 seven years ago, to be a production assistant on a 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:58.960 Jackson's tour and you guys have yeah, But I went 1:50:59.000 --> 1:51:01.559 to London with y'all. I went to the the Isle 1:51:01.640 --> 1:51:04.080 of Wight and I went to a lot I didn't like. 1:51:06.080 --> 1:51:06.320 Yeah. 1:51:11.320 --> 1:51:13.080 I was helping out with Bill Brown and Nick and 1:51:13.120 --> 1:51:16.240 everybody gap helping you in the dressing rooms. 1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:18.040 Listen. I was on a hustle when you get fire 1:51:18.080 --> 1:51:18.479 from radio. 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:19.559 You guys, do you know so. 1:51:19.640 --> 1:51:23.479 Because I love Bill Brown, I didn't know this, Yuay. 1:51:25.760 --> 1:51:28.960 I mentioned the CEO because I took a whole. 1:51:28.800 --> 1:51:31.479 Stel fle Yeah. I tour with the Jackson's, you know. 1:51:32.160 --> 1:51:34.360 One time I worked for the Jackson's and it was 1:51:34.439 --> 1:51:36.320 just amazing to see that, Like the band that y'all 1:51:36.439 --> 1:51:38.760 formed was not only just some of them were young, 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:40.600 like your music director of Brandon at the time, he 1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:43.240 was like thirty early maybe thirty. 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:46.720 Right, but just a dynamic, amazing, stupendous band. And you 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:48.680 combined it with some ogs. But can you just talk 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:52.240 about the process now for to put together a Jackson band. 1:51:52.760 --> 1:51:56.200 Who's playing bass? By the way, in your current band. 1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:01.720 Brandon is young. Brandon, I want to Oscar when he 1:52:01.920 --> 1:52:03.040 was for three six Mafia. 1:52:04.000 --> 1:52:07.280 Oh, yeah, killing. 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:13.080 And your drummer and your drummer and your percussionists. 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:13.760 Oh my god. 1:52:14.640 --> 1:52:17.560 Yeah, but what is the process now? But what's the 1:52:17.600 --> 1:52:19.599 process now? How did you how do you decide who's 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:20.240 good enough. 1:52:20.120 --> 1:52:23.519 To well, you know, you know, you know when those 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:26.880 guys come in, they come in knowing the music. They 1:52:27.000 --> 1:52:29.560 come in playing it because they grew up on it. 1:52:30.520 --> 1:52:31.400 We had years to learn it. 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:33.760 Yeah, yeah, they come in knowing the stuff. You know 1:52:34.439 --> 1:52:36.920 when they started playing. Oh my god, these young cauts, 1:52:37.240 --> 1:52:38.479 how do they know this stuff like this? 1:52:38.640 --> 1:52:42.519 You know, and they grew up playing you know. Yeah, 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:45.640 you just polish him up a little bit, but they 1:52:45.720 --> 1:52:46.360 pretty much what. 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:48.920 And another question says, you guys are going to steal 1:52:49.040 --> 1:52:52.320 tour right after COVID because y'all have been touring. Okay, 1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:56.519 so can you tell people your routines? Your dance routine 1:52:56.600 --> 1:52:59.800 seemed the exact same. I mean from the freeze that 1:52:59.880 --> 1:53:02.080 you talked about, like everything y'all do your bodies move 1:53:02.160 --> 1:53:04.400 the exact same? Is it the exact same? And how 1:53:04.520 --> 1:53:06.840 do y'all maintain that? Tito gave me some quick like 1:53:06.920 --> 1:53:08.519 this is just what we do. Answer, But I know, 1:53:09.120 --> 1:53:10.200 Marlon and Jacket. 1:53:09.960 --> 1:53:13.600 It is you know, you know, once once we you know, 1:53:14.280 --> 1:53:17.240 we can pay all stage for the longest time, and 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:20.839 once we get together, somehow it just comes together. 1:53:21.200 --> 1:53:23.400 It comes that way because we've been doing it for 1:53:23.520 --> 1:53:26.240 so long. We just know each other's moves. We know, 1:53:26.520 --> 1:53:28.679 matter of fact, we know where Michael would be on stage. 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:32.880 You know, any given time, we know exactly where he 1:53:32.960 --> 1:53:35.479 would be on that stage, even today if we go 1:53:35.560 --> 1:53:37.920 in the States, you know, and that's how it works. 1:53:37.960 --> 1:53:39.680 We just it just works that way. 1:53:39.840 --> 1:53:42.760 How do you make sure your bodies are still able 1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:44.960 to keep up with these moves on the daily? 1:53:45.320 --> 1:53:51.599 Well sometimes, you know, you know, when you're on stage, 1:53:51.640 --> 1:53:53.599 if you try to if you think of a move 1:53:53.680 --> 1:53:55.080 and try to do it, it doesn't work. 1:53:55.120 --> 1:53:56.519 That when you just got to feel it and you 1:53:56.640 --> 1:53:58.040 do it and don't think about it. 1:53:58.560 --> 1:54:00.600 That's that's the bottom of the line, you know. 1:54:00.840 --> 1:54:03.960 Yea, brothers, y'all take vitamins and things or like yeah, yeah, 1:54:04.000 --> 1:54:04.240 we did. 1:54:04.320 --> 1:54:05.080 We stay in shape. 1:54:05.120 --> 1:54:07.280 And plus you know, like our show is like a 1:54:07.360 --> 1:54:09.880 high energy show and it's like working out. To me, 1:54:10.000 --> 1:54:12.000 he could work out because I get a break, workout 1:54:12.320 --> 1:54:15.599 aspire a lot, but only yes, Plus you get. 1:54:15.520 --> 1:54:16.599 A check at the end. Of the day. 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:18.320 But you know, it's just talk about it. 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:24.080 It's like it's like going to the gym. You know, 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:26.200 it's like it's a great workout for we love it. 1:54:27.120 --> 1:54:29.559 The main key, the main kids, make sure you get 1:54:29.600 --> 1:54:31.519 your rests. We do not go out and party at 1:54:31.560 --> 1:54:34.200 clubs after We never did day all night. 1:54:34.480 --> 1:54:35.160 We never did. 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:37.280 We go to bed and get our rest. 1:54:37.080 --> 1:54:39.320 So we can be ready to go the next day. Yeah. 1:54:39.640 --> 1:54:41.880 I was s curious to know too, like y'all's you know, 1:54:41.920 --> 1:54:44.000 because y'all were raised Jovah's witness, and I was scarious 1:54:44.040 --> 1:54:46.640 to know how your parents at that time, you know, 1:54:46.680 --> 1:54:49.640 when y'all were kids and just throughout your career, how 1:54:49.760 --> 1:54:52.960 much did your faith play in you know, I guess 1:54:53.040 --> 1:54:55.680 developing that discipline that you guys talk about. And how 1:54:55.760 --> 1:54:58.960 did your parents say, Okay, y'all, can you got your career, 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.600 but you also will have to I guess worship in 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:02.320 whatever way. 1:55:02.360 --> 1:55:03.520 How did y'all strike about us? 1:55:03.960 --> 1:55:06.440 Well, my mom was different long as you had some 1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:09.480 type of spiritual belief or whatever, but they understood that 1:55:10.880 --> 1:55:12.880 uh dollar Bill's got you out of Gary. 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:14.440 Let's talk about it. 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:20.160 But we say, but what I loved about my mam 1:55:20.280 --> 1:55:24.280 is that she didn't try to force the religion. Yeah, uh, 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:27.800 you know Jehovah Williams, because when I got married, you know, 1:55:28.000 --> 1:55:32.160 I I became a Catholic and a Catholic church all 1:55:32.200 --> 1:55:33.200 the time, and things. 1:55:33.200 --> 1:55:34.240 Got My wife. 1:55:34.720 --> 1:55:36.680 As long as you had some type of belief and 1:55:36.880 --> 1:55:40.120 and God in your life and tried to do the 1:55:40.200 --> 1:55:42.400 right thing, she was comfortable with that. Now my sister, 1:55:43.120 --> 1:55:46.560 my sister reb she's different, she's still she thought and 1:55:46.720 --> 1:55:47.520 washed towels that. 1:55:47.640 --> 1:55:56.840 You and Michael. And Michael was baptized too. Michael got baptized. 1:55:56.880 --> 1:55:59.840 He was baptized at one time, and he told me 1:55:59.880 --> 1:56:03.720 to story that he was really serious. It was a Saturday, 1:56:04.240 --> 1:56:06.120 you know how Joe Woodness knocked on the door and 1:56:07.320 --> 1:56:10.040 talked to West towner. So Michael knocked on this girl's door. 1:56:10.400 --> 1:56:13.040 She opened the door and realized it was him, and 1:56:13.200 --> 1:56:20.240 she started peeing. He said, she started peeing, right, she. 1:56:22.160 --> 1:56:22.920 You know what to do. 1:56:23.120 --> 1:56:26.480 He told me, he's trying to teach her about Jehovah, 1:56:26.600 --> 1:56:29.960 the God, Jehovah God, right, and she's realizing, but she 1:56:30.120 --> 1:56:30.560 just stopped. 1:56:34.280 --> 1:56:36.280 This is a true story, yeah, true story. 1:56:39.440 --> 1:56:42.160 That is our clip for this episode. 1:56:43.280 --> 1:56:45.440 I can't wait to see it animated. 1:56:50.200 --> 1:56:51.400 Yeah, he was really serious. 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:55.160 Bill Brave was waiting for him, because Bill Brave, you know, 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:57.480 he would go waiting at times, you know, standing standing 1:56:57.520 --> 1:56:59.120 over the corner and wait for him, you know, and 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:02.760 and he would throw out and people. It was kind 1:57:02.800 --> 1:57:04.280 of hard for him to do that at the time, 1:57:04.320 --> 1:57:06.800 but he did it, you know, and so and so 1:57:06.960 --> 1:57:08.400 some of the things he really wanted to do, he 1:57:08.520 --> 1:57:10.040 had to get out of the faith, you know, he 1:57:10.120 --> 1:57:12.520 had to get out of your witness due to really 1:57:12.600 --> 1:57:14.120 do his thing where he really wanted to go. 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:14.880 You know what I'm saying. 1:57:15.840 --> 1:57:19.760 Yeah, I'm never going to get that visual up. Oh, 1:57:19.960 --> 1:57:24.520 thank you, Jackie. I appreciate that. I can ask questions forever. 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:26.440 Have you guys have done your questions? 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:28.520 I got one family question. 1:57:29.440 --> 1:57:32.760 I want to know throughout your lives and actually now 1:57:33.040 --> 1:57:37.040 post Roona, how you guys maintained speaking to each other, 1:57:37.160 --> 1:57:39.240 how you guys maintain because it's eight it's eight of 1:57:39.320 --> 1:57:43.800 y'all Jackson family, right, we. 1:57:43.880 --> 1:57:46.280 Do this sometimes like we're doing right now. And sometimes 1:57:46.360 --> 1:57:48.280 Tito would come in my house. I'll be Tito at 1:57:48.320 --> 1:57:50.840 a park, you know, we meet, you know, his wife 1:57:50.920 --> 1:57:52.800 and my wife we meet with the kids and at 1:57:52.840 --> 1:57:55.960 a park, you know, we do that sometimes. And because 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:58.840 it's it's really serious out there, you know, with this coronavirus, 1:57:58.920 --> 1:58:01.520 and you gotta be real, real care, especially. 1:58:01.160 --> 1:58:02.440 In California this way. 1:58:02.640 --> 1:58:03.200 Yes, that's. 1:58:06.040 --> 1:58:08.600 It's tough. You gotta I mean, you have to mess up, 1:58:09.200 --> 1:58:12.320 keep your hands clean. And that's what we do so far. 1:58:12.520 --> 1:58:14.400 So far, I'm good. How is Rebe? 1:58:15.200 --> 1:58:15.240 Ma? 1:58:16.000 --> 1:58:16.760 Reebe's doing well. 1:58:16.840 --> 1:58:17.720 She lives with my mom. 1:58:17.920 --> 1:58:18.760 She stayed with my mom. 1:58:19.120 --> 1:58:21.600 Watch my mom, my, mam and Reebe together and I 1:58:21.720 --> 1:58:24.800 love it. They're decorating the house right now, doing it 1:58:24.880 --> 1:58:25.560 all over again. 1:58:25.680 --> 1:58:27.440 And that's what my mom is doing. 1:58:27.520 --> 1:58:30.200 She's so alert. You're talking to my mom. You think 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:31.440 she's around forty years old? 1:58:31.640 --> 1:58:32.160 Yo, your mom? 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:33.920 How old is she now, Jackie, she'll be. 1:58:34.000 --> 1:58:38.920 Ninety one May fourth, ninety Yeah, that's amazing. 1:58:39.360 --> 1:58:40.480 She's ninety now. 1:58:40.880 --> 1:58:45.280 She'd be ninety one. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. She's doing. 1:58:46.640 --> 1:58:47.400 That's amazing. 1:58:47.760 --> 1:58:49.840 I'm happy when she wake up every morning, you know, 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:51.720 happy to see her. 1:58:52.640 --> 1:58:58.160 My last question was I know that you guys often 1:58:58.200 --> 1:59:00.160 talk about like you guys try to get together as 1:59:00.200 --> 1:59:02.720 a family and all that, but with the kids, until 1:59:03.280 --> 1:59:09.080 how how hard is it to organize Jackson family reunions. 1:59:10.360 --> 1:59:10.640 Right now? 1:59:10.640 --> 1:59:11.480 Does that still happen? 1:59:11.920 --> 1:59:12.440 Not right now? 1:59:12.440 --> 1:59:15.000 It's very difficult to do that right now. Right now 1:59:15.120 --> 1:59:17.120 is very before. We do it all the time. 1:59:18.040 --> 1:59:21.680 Three hundred Jackson Street. The video that was like real life, Yes. 1:59:23.360 --> 1:59:24.760 To be the person that cooks that food. 1:59:24.840 --> 1:59:27.880 Okay, they got somebody. 1:59:29.600 --> 1:59:31.600 No, you know what, I met your I met the 1:59:31.920 --> 1:59:35.160 I met your dessert maker, the woman that makes all 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:37.360 the cakes and I forget her. 1:59:37.400 --> 1:59:39.280 Name he's talking about. 1:59:40.640 --> 1:59:45.240 He's talking about she makes this German chocolate cake that's. 1:59:45.160 --> 1:59:48.040 Out of Come on, you know Cordia. 1:59:48.360 --> 1:59:49.600 Cordia, Cordia. 1:59:50.680 --> 1:59:54.080 Yeah, Cordia. Not only what she does for will Smith too. 1:59:54.680 --> 1:59:55.839 No, she does for everybody. 1:59:56.040 --> 1:59:59.560 Like, uh, she came to a Janet show and she's 1:59:59.640 --> 2:00:02.720 snub I think at the time, Jane's like, I'm not 2:00:02.760 --> 2:00:05.560 supposed to have this, and she snuck her like a 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:09.520 Kate coochy like real cover It' style, like back Alley 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:12.120 Deals sort of thing. And then she introduced herself to 2:00:12.160 --> 2:00:14.080 me and I was like, oh, you've been making cakes 2:00:14.120 --> 2:00:15.040 with the Jackson's how long? 2:00:15.080 --> 2:00:17.840 And then she med, well, now she's official. Man, she's 2:00:18.320 --> 2:00:24.720 she's great, amazing, amazing question quest. 2:00:24.760 --> 2:00:28.640 Can I say something? Yeah, I'd like to thank you man. 2:00:28.720 --> 2:00:32.080 You've been so supportive in my family. We would go 2:00:32.160 --> 2:00:35.440 to we would go to uh fight Star hotels. Right, 2:00:36.120 --> 2:00:38.960 we walk into hotels and on the coffee table be 2:00:39.080 --> 2:00:40.920 this big coffee book, right. 2:00:41.480 --> 2:00:44.440 And I opened it up. It's you and there you 2:00:44.600 --> 2:00:47.360 in the book. Really, there's a lot of hotels. 2:00:47.400 --> 2:00:50.640 You were inside the book and you're standing there with 2:00:50.760 --> 2:00:54.720 all Jackson parafamilia all all over the place with the 2:00:54.840 --> 2:00:55.680 Jackson's albums. 2:00:55.720 --> 2:00:59.160 And I would see this and that's how I learned 2:00:59.240 --> 2:01:02.840 that you were you know, I think, yeah, I mean, 2:01:02.960 --> 2:01:04.480 I said, thank this guy. 2:01:04.600 --> 2:01:07.320 You know, the biggest the biggest picture I saw was 2:01:07.400 --> 2:01:10.600 in Heartbreak Hotel. Not just kidding. 2:01:15.160 --> 2:01:18.960 And I see yo for real in London. Everywhere we go, 2:01:19.120 --> 2:01:20.320 we see you in these books. 2:01:20.440 --> 2:01:20.640 Man. 2:01:22.240 --> 2:01:24.320 On the coffee table, there's London hotels. 2:01:24.920 --> 2:01:31.440 Yeah, I must get around everywhere. You know you guys, 2:01:31.680 --> 2:01:34.600 you guys are you know our first superheroes. 2:01:34.840 --> 2:01:37.400 Yeah, I'm roll to you man, like literally, you'll music 2:01:37.440 --> 2:01:40.040 has been a part of my life. I'm for to 2:01:40.520 --> 2:01:42.200 your music has been You've been Your music has been 2:01:42.200 --> 2:01:44.840 a part of my life, like my whole life, like 2:01:44.920 --> 2:01:48.160 I don't ever remember point of my life not knowing 2:01:48.280 --> 2:01:50.800 a Jackson song or hearing the music in my house 2:01:51.120 --> 2:01:54.000 or my mother playing or whatever. And na, man, I 2:01:54.160 --> 2:01:58.800 just give you'all brother's flowers, love y'allowers. 2:02:00.200 --> 2:02:03.440 Thank you, except giving was right now give it. 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:11.520 And I remind people again when we go outside, go 2:02:11.720 --> 2:02:15.640 see the Jackson's live it is just like it was ten, fifteen, 2:02:15.720 --> 2:02:16.520 twenty thirty four. 2:02:16.800 --> 2:02:18.920 It's a it's all the same, yes, just the same 2:02:18.920 --> 2:02:20.040 as gentlemen. 2:02:20.120 --> 2:02:24.200 Thank you very much for this podcast. I really appreciate Tito. 2:02:24.960 --> 2:02:30.360 Can I ask one final question? Mark hell I it 2:02:30.560 --> 2:02:31.120 came out. 2:02:32.520 --> 2:02:35.440 Now just you don't often get a chance to ask 2:02:35.720 --> 2:02:39.160 motown legends who their favorite Motown legends are. So I'm 2:02:39.200 --> 2:02:42.000 just wondering who, like, as on a personal level, who 2:02:42.080 --> 2:02:44.720 your favorite Motown artist or band was, if you could 2:02:44.800 --> 2:02:49.280 just pick one, well project besides the J five'll. 2:02:48.680 --> 2:02:52.200 Be Barbie Gay, yeah, marm Tito. For me, it's like 2:02:52.320 --> 2:02:58.880 the Temptations. They they're the ones who really we watched 2:02:58.880 --> 2:03:02.760 a lot of Temptations it was and Dinah Ross. I 2:03:02.800 --> 2:03:04.200 hate to say it, I got I got to bring 2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:04.560 her up. 2:03:04.600 --> 2:03:07.040 I have to and the Pips. 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:11.560 Yeah no, no, no, squad. 2:03:14.840 --> 2:03:19.120 Actually, wait, everybody wait. 2:03:19.360 --> 2:03:21.840 Steve actually brought up something that we normally asked and 2:03:21.920 --> 2:03:23.560 I didn't ask Stevie. 2:03:24.520 --> 2:03:27.960 Oh, I'm sorry, Okay, I'm sorry. Of course, cousin Stevie. 2:03:29.360 --> 2:03:31.160 Marvi gave my thing. 2:03:31.880 --> 2:03:34.640 I was going to say, uh, well, normally. 2:03:34.360 --> 2:03:37.640 Steve asked this question. But when you guys were in 2:03:37.800 --> 2:03:40.320 that in Senio house, what was the record collection? 2:03:40.680 --> 2:03:40.720 Like? 2:03:41.360 --> 2:03:42.960 Oh, and where is it now? 2:03:43.520 --> 2:03:43.560 Like? 2:03:45.200 --> 2:03:49.640 How big was the record collection? And who decided what 2:03:49.760 --> 2:03:50.280 got played? 2:03:50.880 --> 2:03:53.960 We will had our own record collection, I believe. 2:03:54.440 --> 2:03:55.160 I mean I listened. 2:03:55.280 --> 2:03:58.520 I mean I got a lot of Quincy Jones albums. 2:03:58.600 --> 2:04:04.600 I had Marvin's Distant Lovers album. I had Backstabbers, Hell 2:04:04.680 --> 2:04:12.680 Mervyn and the Blue Notes eight Yes, Yes, deliver tracks 2:04:13.400 --> 2:04:17.160 Science still Delivered, and we, you know, had the stuff 2:04:17.200 --> 2:04:17.800 on cassettes. 2:04:17.880 --> 2:04:25.520 Y'all forgot about cassettes, you know, so we you know, Jackie, Jackie, 2:04:25.640 --> 2:04:27.040 it's a blessing to see these numbers. 2:04:27.080 --> 2:04:28.440 I know a lot of jumpers don't get to see 2:04:28.480 --> 2:04:35.600 these numbers, but uh, you know, we listened. We listened 2:04:35.640 --> 2:04:37.960 to all kinds of music, I mean country, Western music. 2:04:38.240 --> 2:04:39.840 Uh did. 2:04:41.480 --> 2:04:44.840 All kinds of it all because great music is great music. 2:04:44.920 --> 2:04:48.520 I don't care what genre is is you know great music. 2:04:48.360 --> 2:04:50.560 It's just great music, you know. 2:04:51.680 --> 2:04:54.400 Amen? Okay, Well, and. 2:04:54.480 --> 2:04:56.160 Having said that, I'm Blad Jackson. 2:04:56.200 --> 2:05:02.080 You on the Quest Love Show. Babies who need the show? 2:05:02.240 --> 2:05:04.880 All right, we'll be having We'll be having everyone. 2:05:05.040 --> 2:05:05.320 This is. 2:05:08.880 --> 2:05:09.000 Now. 2:05:09.080 --> 2:05:10.800 We'll see all on the next go around this Question 2:05:10.840 --> 2:05:19.360 Love Supreme. Thank you, yo. 2:05:19.480 --> 2:05:19.800 What's up? 2:05:19.840 --> 2:05:20.480 This is fonte. 2:05:21.000 --> 2:05:23.200 Make sure you keep up with us on Instagram at 2:05:23.320 --> 2:05:25.360 QLs and let us know what you think and who 2:05:25.400 --> 2:05:27.440 should be next to sit down with us. Don't forget 2:05:27.520 --> 2:05:30.080 to subscribe to our podcast, all right, peace. 2:05:38.520 --> 2:05:44.200 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. 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