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Speaker 4: Yes, what's that question?
Speaker 1: All right? So you know, slight disclosure, we were cheated
Speaker 1: already by talking to Tito. Actually what our second episode? Correct?
Speaker 1: Since since we've been the iHeart right our second episode,
Speaker 1: so this might be rerun city, but I, you know,
Speaker 1: figure I figure out creative ways to ask these questions.
Speaker 1: I guess my My first question off the bat is
Speaker 1: if one says twenty three hundred Jackson Street, what is
Speaker 1: your first immediate memory that comes to mind automatically?
Speaker 2: Well, this is Morland, So I gonna jump in first.
Speaker 2: Since I'm the youngest out of the out of the
Speaker 2: three here, you should be this should be the last one.
Speaker 2: No brother, not in these days.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Uh, that house on twenty three hundred Jackson Street, That
Speaker 2: our house in Gary, Indiana. The first thing that pops
Speaker 2: in mind to me that that huge house when I
Speaker 2: was young, and when I go back to visit that
Speaker 2: little house that we all grew up in and we
Speaker 2: all practice. That's where we got our start from from
Speaker 2: that house on the corner of twenty three hundred Jackson Street.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that as a young as a youngster,
Speaker 1: you thought that that was an average sized house.
Speaker 2: No, that was a mansion when we were young. Wow, Yes,
Speaker 2: it sure was. We did everything in that house, played
Speaker 2: hide and seek and rehearse We put the pull the
Speaker 2: furniture back in father with rehearses in the living room.
Speaker 2: It was only a two bedroom house, were eleven people,
Speaker 2: but we managed to make it work. Marlin's garage is
Speaker 2: bigger than that house.
Speaker 1: Right now, Jackie, what do you what are your memories
Speaker 1: of twenty three hundred Jackson Street.
Speaker 6: Well, like Marlon said, you know, it's a place where
Speaker 6: we all grew up in the house and a lot
Speaker 6: of fun memories there loving parents and we love each other.
Speaker 6: We were bonded together. We had a two bedroom house
Speaker 6: and uh, and I remember, you know, in our bedroom
Speaker 6: we had like bump beds that were stacked up together
Speaker 6: like five days, like the three sah yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 6: my sisters, my sisters, they all slept in the living room.
Speaker 6: There was a count's bed that let out, and my
Speaker 6: mother and father slept in the other bedroom. But there
Speaker 6: was a lot of love with a lot of rehearsing
Speaker 6: in that house. We bonded together. And there's a lot
Speaker 6: of small concerts in that house because we had audience
Speaker 6: people coming from the neighborhood speaking in the windows to
Speaker 6: watch and us rehearse every single day and we and uh,
Speaker 6: that was pretty much our audience. And that's us a
Speaker 6: lot of fun memories.
Speaker 1: It was just an open door policy, like one could
Speaker 1: just it just come up to the window. Oh, just
Speaker 1: come to the window, not walk inside the house.
Speaker 2: And no, you can walk inside the route. No, they
Speaker 2: will fight to get the best position in the window
Speaker 2: to look we were doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, usually and they're watching these rehearsals. Then how how
Speaker 1: long would these rehearsals last? For a couple of hours.
Speaker 6: Yeah, two hours at least, Yeah, sometime three, you know,
Speaker 6: so we get it right, we take a break and
Speaker 6: take a fifteen minute break and go back at it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Okay, because most of the time we had rehearsals prior
Speaker 7: to doing the gig, because we would gig on the
Speaker 7: weekdays after school. We're rehearsed and go to that gig
Speaker 7: about seven o'clock in the evening in Chicago, what have you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Then be back, get back home somewhere around one to
Speaker 2: two in the morning, get up and go to school,
Speaker 2: which I did not mind because when we were when
Speaker 2: we played shows in Chicago, people would throw money on stage,
Speaker 2: and so Michael and I, you know, we're doing splits
Speaker 2: left and right, and we get to keep the money. Shoot.
Speaker 2: So when I went to school, we used to stop
Speaker 2: at the store and get the pocket full of candy,
Speaker 2: then go to class. So Michael and I, we always
Speaker 2: had money.
Speaker 1: In the second grade. Okay, I had a dollar. Wait,
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, I got five.
Speaker 2: Penny, Tino, you got five for a penny back in
Speaker 2: those days.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know that you guys were an official five
Speaker 1: some uh what sixty five? But back when the group
Speaker 1: was just a trio back when it's just Jackie, Tito
Speaker 1: and Jermaine. What was the what was the arrangement of
Speaker 1: the group then, before Marlon and Michael came along, Like.
Speaker 7: Well, we were just basically a bedroom group. We hadn't
Speaker 7: done anything out in the public or anything like that.
Speaker 7: We were just three brothers trying to be the brothers Temptations.
Speaker 2: Trying to figure it out, trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4: Trying trying to figure it out.
Speaker 7: How did temptation sound like this or the Miracles or whoever.
Speaker 7: We were just putting to get you know, getting it together.
Speaker 1: But in a trio situation, who was the lead person?
Speaker 1: Who was the in that particular situation at that time.
Speaker 6: Jermaine was singing a lot of leads because we were
Speaker 6: all singing at that time too. But uh, later on
Speaker 6: then Michael and Marlin joined and Michael came in playing
Speaker 6: you know the Quaker oat millboxes. Oh wow, he called
Speaker 6: to playing the Bungos on that Michael did, and uh,
Speaker 6: he has so much him and Marlin had so much
Speaker 6: dancing ability, the energy. So we decided, hey man, we
Speaker 6: got to put them in the group, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 6: That's how that started, you know, and so let me
Speaker 6: shove them in the group. And then we started doing
Speaker 6: all these talent shows, you know, all these talent shows.
Speaker 6: In time for my high school, we had a lot
Speaker 6: of talent shows going on. We were join these talent shows,
Speaker 6: rehearsing for the talent shows, and we would win these
Speaker 6: talent shows all all over the regional part of the state,
Speaker 6: you know of Indiana. We go to Michigan, different places
Speaker 6: like that, and uh and just win all these talent shows.
Speaker 6: And on these shows that with Denise Williams when the
Speaker 6: fire was on some of these shows, and you know,
Speaker 6: these talent shows like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I was going to say, yeah, one one
Speaker 1: of the Hutchinson of the Emotions, Yeah, and Sheila I
Speaker 1: believe as well, told us that they would often run
Speaker 1: into you guys doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we did.
Speaker 2: We did what they called the chilling circuit. And actually
Speaker 2: not only them, the O Jay's, it was the Shotlights
Speaker 2: and us and and like you said, the Emotions. And
Speaker 2: we used to do a place in Chico called the
Speaker 2: High Chaparral and Maurice White was with another band and
Speaker 2: they would play.
Speaker 6: It was the drummer was the drummer Box.
Speaker 4: Simmons was the name of that band. It was Yes Simmons.
Speaker 2: And when we did do those places one time I
Speaker 2: remember so well, pig Meat Markham was the main act
Speaker 2: and they would have us on the judge. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: when we did the the Apollo, you know amateur stuff
Speaker 2: you had Moms Maybley or Edda James where the acts
Speaker 2: that came in, or Simon Dave where the headliners and
Speaker 2: came on Amateur Night and did our thing and people
Speaker 2: enjoyed us. How many shows we used to do mar
Speaker 2: what seven shows a night or something seven shows a day? Yeah, yeah, day.
Speaker 1: Really, so you would do Amateur Night each time around
Speaker 1: or was it at some point where you guys were
Speaker 1: sort of out of Amateur Night and just a featured act.
Speaker 6: Where's Amateur Knight?
Speaker 2: It was then? And then we then we would do
Speaker 2: the talent shows and the Five stair Steps. Uh. We
Speaker 2: had a rivalry I guess between us and the Five
Speaker 2: Stairsteps and Michael would cry.
Speaker 6: Michael would cry his butt off because you know, sometime
Speaker 6: before that came on before us, you know, the crowd
Speaker 6: started throwing.
Speaker 2: Eggs at him and stuff.
Speaker 6: I think they were there and Michael would cry, if
Speaker 6: you forget, they're gonna do the same thing to him.
Speaker 6: So we would try to comments and might just do
Speaker 6: your thing. Everything's going to be okay. You know. He
Speaker 6: would cry like a baby because he didn't want them
Speaker 6: throwing eggs on him on stead grabbing a hook and
Speaker 6: hooking them off stage.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what the.
Speaker 1: Sim I was gonna say. I know that. Well, of
Speaker 1: course everyone knows the legend of the Apollo, But for
Speaker 1: those other spots that were in the chintling circuit, like
Speaker 1: either the Regent or the Uptown in Philly or the
Speaker 1: Fox in Detroit, was it also the same way, like
Speaker 1: if you were new you were someone booing you off
Speaker 1: the stage or anything, or was that just the Apollo,
Speaker 1: Like could you relax if you if you were at
Speaker 1: Chicago or any other place?
Speaker 4: It was more so as Paula. But they believe if
Speaker 4: you're not good.
Speaker 7: Regal Theater or wherever uptown, they're gonna bull you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: But but people don't play.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: That happened to the Jackson though.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, yeah, we never got the booth. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so uh, we were scared of the booth. So we
Speaker 7: did the best that we could do. I say, stay
Speaker 7: away from that book.
Speaker 1: Wait, yes, Tito, the world kind of knows the story
Speaker 1: of you discovering your your father's guitar. But I always
Speaker 1: wanted to know how was Jermaine able to learn the bass?
Speaker 1: Was it? Is it a similar situation like who taught
Speaker 1: him how to play the bass?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: I gave Jamaine based guitar lessons on the bass, based
Speaker 7: notes on the guitar, She'd say, because when my father
Speaker 7: bought him the second guitar, he started playing the guitar
Speaker 7: that I was sneaking from my father and I was showing,
Speaker 7: you know, the little things on the on the on
Speaker 7: the guitar, but it was based up. So he was
Speaker 7: playing bass on the guitar because as you know, the
Speaker 7: first first yes, same same thing, yeah, And.
Speaker 6: Then what he did he started studying James Jamison Motown
Speaker 6: because he listened to Motown songs and he started studying
Speaker 6: James Jamison. He was he used to play just like him,
Speaker 6: Jamaine as a young kid. He I mean, he had
Speaker 6: it down, you know, singing and playing at the same time.
Speaker 1: Okay, So before you guys went to Motown, you were
Speaker 1: on Steeltown. What was the story of Steeltown, Like, who
Speaker 1: owned the label? How did you guys wind wind up
Speaker 1: recording a single for them?
Speaker 2: Well, still Town was just a local record company and
Speaker 2: Gary Ander. We really didn't I guess we were so
Speaker 2: young we didn't know.
Speaker 4: We didn't know a lot.
Speaker 7: My father is basically who took us and was controlled
Speaker 7: all the activities of his little boys at that time
Speaker 7: because we were really really young. I remember seeing a
Speaker 7: picture of h the band recording the song I'm a
Speaker 7: Big Boy Now, and we were all quite small, little kids,
Speaker 7: you know, and it just had.
Speaker 2: One take and that was it.
Speaker 1: I mean right, it was.
Speaker 2: The budget wasn't big, it was nothing. You know. We
Speaker 2: could have recorded this song in our in our.
Speaker 4: Living room, in and out, yeah, in and out.
Speaker 8: Like you said, you were so young, Like, how did
Speaker 8: you look at all the rehearsals and all the shows
Speaker 8: and all the and all the things you were doing.
Speaker 8: Did you did you think it was the most fun
Speaker 8: thing you could do? I mean, I think it is,
Speaker 8: But but at the time, did you think that we had.
Speaker 4: When they say keepers of the dream, we really had dreams.
Speaker 7: We all wanted to be like Jackie Wilson and James
Speaker 7: Brown and the attempts.
Speaker 4: We wanted to be entertain the stars.
Speaker 7: We wanted to go to Holly, California or wherever the
Speaker 7: stars lived and see. It was fun too, that's the
Speaker 7: main thing. We had a lot of fun along the journey.
Speaker 7: But we never realized what the mark was making in
Speaker 7: the world when we were younger, because we were constantly busy,
Speaker 7: and we would go to different parts of the world
Speaker 7: and get back to school and we could tell the
Speaker 7: class everything about the place.
Speaker 2: But don't don't get us wrong, there were times that
Speaker 2: we didn't want to be trust me, We'd rather be
Speaker 2: outside playing. And the kids used to laugh at us
Speaker 2: sometimes and tell us you're not going to get anywhere,
Speaker 2: and and you know with the rehearsing, but my father,
Speaker 2: you know, made sure that we rehearsed before we did
Speaker 2: anything rehearse We used to take breaks sometime and watch
Speaker 2: Batman or the Green Hornet, then back to rehearsal.
Speaker 6: And you are the three stoodents, that's what.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we watched them, dont three stoodents? Yes?
Speaker 1: We did. Did you play any sports in school?
Speaker 6: We played a lot of basketball baseball because the baseball
Speaker 6: field was right behind our house. And if we weren't
Speaker 6: doing music was playing baseball most of the time. That's
Speaker 6: what we did.
Speaker 2: Cricket, cricket in the alley. Yes, cricket.
Speaker 1: Wait, black people play cricket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we played ghetto cricket, but we played it. Describe
Speaker 2: tell them how the game goes wrong. We used to
Speaker 2: set up like three cans on the ground at each end,
Speaker 2: and we had a stick. We all had sticks to bat.
Speaker 2: Either you throw at the can or you roll it
Speaker 2: and you hit the ball and you go back and
Speaker 2: forth counting, and whoever got to a certain point a
Speaker 2: certain number one that won the game. And it gave
Speaker 2: you skills because Jackie and Jermaine and they used to
Speaker 2: try to see if they can hit it all the
Speaker 2: way to the other field over the fence, and they did.
Speaker 2: And you can imagine someone running trying to get that
Speaker 2: ball and throw it back. And if you stick it
Speaker 2: up and they knock down your cans, is that these
Speaker 2: the other teams turn to come up and take a back.
Speaker 2: That's what we did, outside of moving cylinder bros from
Speaker 2: one end of the yard to the other end of
Speaker 2: the yard. Uh choy that my father gave us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a sport.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what.
Speaker 1: No, Well, when we saw that on uh the American Dream. Uh,
Speaker 1: I guess Jackie had to keep moving the bricks. What
Speaker 1: was that like? Just something to keep you occupied for
Speaker 1: an hour or so.
Speaker 2: Or keep us occupied, keep us, keep us from of
Speaker 2: the gangs being in the streets. Okay it and it
Speaker 2: took all day, It took all took all days. It
Speaker 2: takes no hour. It took all day. And Michael and
Speaker 2: I couldn't pick up one, so the two of us
Speaker 2: carried one. And yeah, he would make us when I
Speaker 2: get home from work, I want to see those bricks
Speaker 2: from that end of the yard to over that other
Speaker 2: in the yard.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So explain to me the environment that was Gary,
Speaker 1: Indiana in the mid sixties, Like, what is what is
Speaker 1: your father trying to keep you from? What is that?
Speaker 1: What is outside of twenty three hundred Jackson Street.
Speaker 2: Well, there were gangs then lurking to recruit new young members.
Speaker 2: And and I guess my father felt that that were
Speaker 2: my son's when I be a member of those gangs.
Speaker 2: So he kept us occupy and and and we did
Speaker 2: go out and play sometime in the streets, hide and
Speaker 2: seek or whatever. But majority of the times we were
Speaker 2: working moving those bricks around or rehearsing. But there were
Speaker 2: gangs sometime, and Jackie and Tito can elaborate on this
Speaker 2: more because I was still in elementary school.
Speaker 4: No, no, there was a lot of gangs around Garry.
Speaker 1: There was.
Speaker 4: They were shooting.
Speaker 7: You're cann be it on your porch at night because
Speaker 7: the ladies of the neighborhood, meaning the mothers, we get
Speaker 7: together and you know they mosquitos are bad, so they
Speaker 7: have a garbage canned fire going and join the smoke,
Speaker 7: keep it.
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden you started hear.
Speaker 7: Cars speeding down the street and people started running and
Speaker 7: duck and soup.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of gang activity around.
Speaker 6: But the gates the games never didn't mess with us.
Speaker 6: They always protected us when we walked through the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah with you guys, Yeah, making some positive noise. I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, were you guys first generation Gary, Indiana?
Speaker 5: Or were your parents from there as well? I don't remember.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, my parents aren't from there, but they
Speaker 7: were first generation from Gary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so where were your parents from? I'm just curious.
Speaker 7: I never my mother's from from Arkansas and now my
Speaker 7: father's from Arkansas.
Speaker 4: My mother's from Alabama.
Speaker 1: What city.
Speaker 2: She's a Bama girl. You know, I think I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it's Hurtsboro.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was a mobile.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Columbus.
Speaker 5: Either way. Her childhood was but so sweet.
Speaker 4: My father from Little Ross.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, oh wow, I read once your that your mom.
Speaker 3: She was like a country western singer that she used
Speaker 3: the sing country.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: What happened was with that, you know at that time,
Speaker 6: you know, our television broke and we didn't have money
Speaker 6: to get it fixed, you know, so we were we
Speaker 6: were singing. She was an avid country western fan. She
Speaker 6: loved country western music. Yeah yeah, yeah, different people. And
Speaker 6: uh we was harmonized with her singing with her, you know,
Speaker 6: and uh because no television were singing with her. And
Speaker 6: she came to my father one day said, Joe, your
Speaker 6: boys can really see they can harmonize.
Speaker 2: He said, Kate can't, He said, Joe boy.
Speaker 6: So she said, Joe, they really can sing. So he
Speaker 6: is so see. You know, we sung for him and
Speaker 6: he got all excited. That's when he started buying in
Speaker 6: going out, buying instrum as far as all the instruments.
Speaker 1: So when you guys were kids, was he gigging at
Speaker 1: all or was that part of his life done with?
Speaker 1: Because I know that he did a few you.
Speaker 6: When he had a little local band called the Falcons.
Speaker 6: He had a band himself, and if they would come
Speaker 6: over to the house and play with my uncle. His
Speaker 6: brother played guitar and he played guitar, and we used
Speaker 6: to watch them play all the time. Just washed them
Speaker 6: this gig and to us they were like big professionals
Speaker 6: and we watched them all the time and they would
Speaker 6: play at the house. It was great watching them play,
Speaker 6: and that's how we learned about music and just listening
Speaker 6: to all the Motown songs on the radio, stuff like that,
Speaker 6: you know, and.
Speaker 2: It slide in the family stone, yes, lining everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was amazing.
Speaker 1: So Marlin, I know that you brought it up earlier,
Speaker 1: but I always heard about the legend of Mister Lucky's,
Speaker 1: which I guess was like sort of like your home spot.
Speaker 1: But what yeah, what was Mister Lucky's a strip club
Speaker 1: today or like, no, it wasn't a strip club.
Speaker 2: It was a little nightclub that was Jaroniana and they
Speaker 2: paid us. We got paid eight dollars for our first show,
Speaker 2: the Luckies. That was the first gig that we got paid,
Speaker 2: and we were so happy about it. I mean, but
Speaker 2: eight dollars back in those days take you a long way.
Speaker 6: And those are the shows that Michael and Marlin would
Speaker 6: they would throw money on the floor and they would
Speaker 6: do the splits and grab the money, and and Marlin
Speaker 6: and Tito and I and Jermaine would be because they're
Speaker 6: getting all the money. We weren't getting one there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, we've we've heard different accounts, but
Speaker 1: I never heard it from you guys verbatim. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've talked to Gladys Knight and she told me she
Speaker 1: was the one. And then Tommy Chang of chich says
Speaker 1: that you know Bobby, Bobby and the Vancouver's. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that he wrote because you guys did a cover
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't know that he wrote does your
Speaker 1: does your.
Speaker 6: Mama know about it?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that damn Cheaching Chong like Motown or
Speaker 1: Tommy Shang Motown legends. So what is what is the
Speaker 1: real story? I know I know the angle, but who
Speaker 1: literally made it happen? Yes, I'm going to introduce you
Speaker 1: to this person that leaves a barrier.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna set the record straight. I'm gonna set the record.
Speaker 6: Well, well, well, we played a concert in Gary, Indiana
Speaker 6: and uh for our Mayor Richard Gordon Hatchard, who's no
Speaker 6: longer with us, he's at the time, and so he
Speaker 6: was campaigning at the time. Some Gladys Knight was his
Speaker 6: his guest there, you know, and we happen to play
Speaker 6: the same show.
Speaker 2: So she happened she saw us on the.
Speaker 6: Concert and she went back to Barry Gordon to Barry Gordon,
Speaker 6: there's some guys in Indiana that's that's incredible. You've got
Speaker 6: to sign these kids. It was Gladys who discovered us first,
Speaker 6: and Bobby Taylor did this Showlder next year he saw
Speaker 6: us to say, well, he went back to Barry Gordy
Speaker 6: said the same exact thing with both of those people.
Speaker 6: But Dinah Ross was his biggest artist. He's the one
Speaker 6: who brought us out because he was his biggest son
Speaker 6: road and.
Speaker 1: Its us to the World Marketing presenting.
Speaker 6: It was Gladys Knight and Barbetary was the ones who
Speaker 6: discovered us.
Speaker 1: That's true, all right, well, true story, They're true moving
Speaker 1: moving to Los Angeles from Gary, Indiana. How how much
Speaker 1: of a fish out of water situation was that for
Speaker 1: you guys as far as uh watching what the world
Speaker 1: that you see on television?
Speaker 6: Which is hot because I used to watch all the
Speaker 6: football games, and all the football games we got Chicago Bears,
Speaker 6: we got Cleveland Browns, and snowing outside freeze and then
Speaker 6: they were shown in an afternoon game there would show
Speaker 6: San Diego Chargers, Alle's Rams. Right, so I'm watching TV.
Speaker 6: I'm in the snow freezing my butt off, and I'm
Speaker 6: watching TV seeing all these people. They show the palm
Speaker 6: trees and show the people in the stands having a
Speaker 6: great time. I said, that's where I want to go.
Speaker 6: I want to go to Los Angeles. I don't know
Speaker 6: how I'm going to get there, but that's where I'm
Speaker 6: going to go. That's where I want to live. That's
Speaker 6: what I said to about So I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know how I'm going to get there. And
Speaker 6: some kind of way, we were signed with Motown and
Speaker 6: Verry going to decide it to move his office over
Speaker 6: to Los Angeles because he wants to get into the
Speaker 6: film business, right, you know, so he moved his whole
Speaker 6: entire office from Detroit. He still had office, he still
Speaker 6: had office in Detroit, but then moved his operation to
Speaker 6: Los Angeles, California, and he bought us over there with him.
Speaker 1: Was there ever talk of you guys moving to Detroit first?
Speaker 2: To be matter of fact, we did go to Detroit.
Speaker 6: It was in Detroit recording our music first and then
Speaker 6: we went on to We was how long were we
Speaker 6: in Detroit?
Speaker 1: About a year?
Speaker 6: Two years guys recording, about a year.
Speaker 2: We signed with We signed with Motown in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 2: but we told everybody, and people didn't believe it were
Speaker 2: because we didn't have any music out. It took over
Speaker 2: a year before we even got in the studio.
Speaker 6: Yeah, longer than that moment.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. So some of that first album was recorded
Speaker 1: at the the Hitsfield studio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a lot of it, Yeah, a lot of it.
Speaker 2: The Tempts and all of them would come around.
Speaker 6: We would see all those casts, all those people would
Speaker 6: come around and give us all kinds of support and
Speaker 6: they was, you know, sending hello to us, and Jermaine
Speaker 6: was trying to hit on Barry Gordy's door at the time.
Speaker 1: Jamames you succeeded. Yes, one question I had.
Speaker 3: If I'm Jackie, you're the oldest, you may have the
Speaker 3: best memory of it. I was always curious to know
Speaker 3: about the corporation Freddy Parry and Larry Mizell.
Speaker 1: Do you have any riches of working with those guys
Speaker 1: Deep Richards.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: They had just got out of they had just got
Speaker 6: up college from Howard the University, just graduate from Howard University,
Speaker 6: and they were incredible. There were incredible musician songwriters, and
Speaker 6: Barry Gordy put them with us and we used.
Speaker 2: To laugh at pretty pears and finds myself because they
Speaker 2: were We would go into the studio, we see them
Speaker 2: and they on a little mope head scooter, two of them, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know yeah yeah, and we pass them up on
Speaker 2: the street and they were coming to the studio. But
Speaker 2: they had to hit.
Speaker 1: A lot of our especially from a hip hop perspective.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think a lot of people, uh
Speaker 1: are contemporaries even equate that. You know, the Mazel Brothers
Speaker 1: their their seventies and all the stuff that they did
Speaker 1: on Blue Note Records, you know, with Donald Bird and
Speaker 1: even the stuff they did with like a Taste of
Speaker 1: Honey and all that stuff, like, I don't think they
Speaker 1: even equate that these are the same guys that also
Speaker 1: wrote I Want You Back, I want you Back in
Speaker 1: all those.
Speaker 6: Things, love you Say and all that. Oh yeah, they were.
Speaker 1: Incredible and they don't even know that their nephew was
Speaker 1: jam Master J from Run DMC. They never put two
Speaker 1: and two together with that. But yeah, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, when you first get to Motown, what
Speaker 1: is what is the basic uh work operation as far
Speaker 1: as you guys learning songs?
Speaker 2: Because well, let me be, let me, let me bag
Speaker 2: it up for you. I think you find it interesting.
Speaker 2: From from from Gary, Indiana, mm hmm. We went to
Speaker 2: Detroit to audition for Barry Cordy, right, and so we
Speaker 2: did a lot of Motown songs. And so Barry had
Speaker 2: this huge house, had a golf course in the backyard
Speaker 2: and the back nine head indoor swimming pool. You go
Speaker 2: down downstairs for all all the gangs. And so we
Speaker 2: get into Michael and I playing in the pool having
Speaker 2: a great time. Jackie walking around. Biden is nails damn
Speaker 2: it ate up his fingers because he was so nervous
Speaker 2: and he used to get after Michael and I this
Speaker 2: is serious, guy, this is our chance. You'll fooling around
Speaker 2: playing with all the games and stuff. Get serious. I
Speaker 2: mean we were kids, and all of a sudden we
Speaker 2: get ready to do our show.
Speaker 6: We all of us were back, all of our equipment
Speaker 6: was set up around the pool.
Speaker 7: Jackie let me back up because Martins, we had already
Speaker 7: auditioned from Hotown the day before. Very decided, yeah, I
Speaker 7: want to sign these kids. So he acts. He said,
Speaker 7: tomorrow's Dining Ross's birthday. I'm having a party for her
Speaker 7: at my house, and.
Speaker 4: I want you guys to perform.
Speaker 2: And so we round the at this party.
Speaker 4: Tell him who was at the party. Man.
Speaker 2: We run the pool waiting and we do a lot
Speaker 2: of more times, and all of a sudden, I see
Speaker 2: Marvin Gate come to the Temps. The Temps walk through
Speaker 2: the door. Then Daniel ros Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, the
Speaker 2: four Times come through the door.
Speaker 6: And we've got to sing their songs. That's all the
Speaker 6: songs we knew, that's all the big hits.
Speaker 2: On the radio.
Speaker 6: We didn't have any new original material. Were singing all
Speaker 6: these Motown songs in front.
Speaker 2: Of their right David roughing, come in.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know this is the first time you made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the first time. We mean yeah, first time,
Speaker 2: and this is their first time seeing us and we're
Speaker 2: doing their stuff.
Speaker 1: I assume that the show went well because you're here
Speaker 1: right now talking about it. Yes, try out by fire.
Speaker 8: How much you older? Were guys like Marvin Gay and
Speaker 8: Smoky than you at that time?
Speaker 4: All they had about fifteen, ten and fifteen years?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Should should they were. Stevie was kind of appear right,
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, I think Jackie, you were like fifteen
Speaker 2: or sixty at the time.
Speaker 1: I heard your sister mentioned that Stevie actually might be
Speaker 1: related to you guys. Is that true.
Speaker 2: He's on my mom's side of Yes.
Speaker 1: When did y'all find this out?
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that my first cousin. Second,
Speaker 2: you got to ask my mom. But all this is
Speaker 2: to me, this is funny because we were we were
Speaker 2: somewhere and Stevie tells them, uh, And I was talking
Speaker 2: with Stevie this is at my at my father's funeral,
Speaker 2: and then then all the way he told me, he said, Amelia,
Speaker 2: give them all on my numbers since we because.
Speaker 1: Does he call in the morning as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we you know, I've been we've been blessed.
Speaker 2: We had some great times. You know, it's what you
Speaker 2: do with that time and how you treat it. And
Speaker 2: we've had some great times.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, I got to follow up on this.
Speaker 1: So did you and Stevie?
Speaker 8: Did you guys and Stevie want to know you were
Speaker 8: cousins back then or did this come up recently?
Speaker 2: No, we did not know. Matter of fact, Stevie did
Speaker 2: a couple of songs on us during the Motown days
Speaker 2: and and uh, we didn't know that we were cousins.
Speaker 2: And those songs that Stevie did on us, they were
Speaker 2: never released, you know. And I think Butterfly, no butter Cup,
Speaker 2: but not that you have not nothing, nothing song. That's
Speaker 2: one question is.
Speaker 1: Talking about, well, you're supposed to keep your love for
Speaker 1: me from the original? Was there any other besides butter Club?
Speaker 2: Of course, Buttercup, you're supposed to keep your love for me.
Speaker 2: I think there was one or two more other ones.
Speaker 2: I forgot, man, we did so many songs. Motown got
Speaker 2: so many songs that we we can when I hear
Speaker 2: so we did that, right. We lived in the studio.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to get to you guys. I've
Speaker 1: seen at least the the Motown faults. I've seen them
Speaker 1: and seen the catalogs, and to me, it's staggering. How
Speaker 1: big is it?
Speaker 5: A mirrorkel people? Please?
Speaker 1: You know we want to be I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it was over two hundred songs, but the thing is
Speaker 1: like they're two hundred completed songs and half the stuff
Speaker 1: didn't see the light of day, So like, what is
Speaker 1: can you walk me through how you guys get Like
Speaker 1: do you have like mere seconds to learn it? Do
Speaker 1: you at least get a work tape the night before
Speaker 1: to figure out your arrangements?
Speaker 2: We walked through to we go in the studio.
Speaker 6: They put this off to school after school, Jack, we
Speaker 6: go after schools the studio recording the studio right and
Speaker 6: the recording studio was right around the corner, right on
Speaker 6: Fair Facts, And half the kids at the school never
Speaker 6: knew that we were going to the recording studio recording
Speaker 6: I Want You Back ABC. They didn't know that not
Speaker 6: even a block away was recording to him record these songs.
Speaker 6: And they put up the track and we learned it
Speaker 6: and singing and all that we pretty much do a
Speaker 6: song today, but we came back to finish it the
Speaker 6: next day. The really really completed finish it the next day.
Speaker 6: It took us while a day and a half to
Speaker 6: finish the whole song.
Speaker 2: That's what because we had and the reason being is
Speaker 2: that we were youngsters and we had a social worker
Speaker 2: that came with us, so she made sure that they
Speaker 2: didn't work us over three hours, so they only we
Speaker 2: only had three hours to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, you did all that work in the three hours. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of songs.
Speaker 6: And Michael was going there and Michael would ad lib
Speaker 6: and do his own ada libs, and he made all
Speaker 6: that stuff at all this at the end of that's him.
Speaker 6: They didn't tell him that he made up all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's exhausting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So and that was every that was almost
Speaker 2: every day, yeah, weekends, yeah, even the weekends.
Speaker 4: Weekends were longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the next day we come back to school on Monday,
Speaker 6: and we're on the Ed Sullivant Show and all we
Speaker 6: come back to school and all the kids noticed that
Speaker 6: wait a minute, these after Jackson's they noticed us being
Speaker 6: on the Air Sullivant Show. We go back to school.
Speaker 6: The next day, I'm in the classroom and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, I'm in the classroom, sitting in the classroom,
Speaker 6: and all these kids from all the other schools come
Speaker 6: to come to Fairfax High School from all the other
Speaker 6: kids come over and just streaming at to do the
Speaker 6: screen like pandemonium. And the kids wondered, what's going on?
Speaker 6: Why they screaming?
Speaker 2: Or they saw me in the classroom and they start
Speaker 2: screaming like crazy. They didn't know we were the jacks
Speaker 2: if they didn't. Now, let me tell you something. This
Speaker 2: is my first time hearing Jackie's story about that, and
Speaker 2: I have to say, Michael and I we were going
Speaker 2: to Emerson Junior High School and we were the same.
Speaker 2: Thing happened to us and to the point that kids
Speaker 2: started going crazy and they had to pull us out
Speaker 2: of school because we were disrupting class the whole school,
Speaker 2: and they put us in private school.
Speaker 1: So you went to a regular school first, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: went to regularly. No other contemporaries of yours were in
Speaker 1: like Fairfax Hide, none of these Sames.
Speaker 2: No we went I went to when I when we
Speaker 2: got here, nobody knew who the Jackson five were. So
Speaker 2: I went to Bancroft Junior High. Michael went to Gardenet
Speaker 2: I mean Gardener Gardener Elementary School, then the Falling Street
Speaker 2: Michael and I went went over to Emerson Junior High.
Speaker 2: We only was able to go for two weeks because
Speaker 2: we were disrupting the classes and the kids were going crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow, So you didn't get uh so, what's the like
Speaker 1: in private school? Is it more different because all of
Speaker 1: you are industry kids or we were.
Speaker 2: Going to school with with some of the main celebrity kids.
Speaker 2: They would go to the same school with us, and
Speaker 2: even well, this is a funny story, Joe McClean to
Speaker 2: if you know who John McLean is.
Speaker 1: Wait, this is what you're gonna get. The most elusive
Speaker 1: we've been dying to get it on the Show's John MacLean.
Speaker 2: Oh so John, So John to tell history. He said
Speaker 2: his mom brought him to this private school and he said, Mom, I.
Speaker 1: Don't go here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to really good, I don't want to
Speaker 2: go here. And John said, all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 2: he loves Tito. Walking across, he said, Tito Jackson, Hey, mom,
Speaker 2: I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I tell y'all.
Speaker 5: Popularity. Did everybody have to go to the special school now,
Speaker 5: like the girls too. And I don't know if Randy
Speaker 5: was here by now, but everybody just have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually they did, Yes, yes, they did eventually. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's that's what took place. That's
Speaker 2: what happened with us.
Speaker 1: It's you know, I know that your parents' concerns over
Speaker 1: gang culture in Indiana was one thing, but most of
Speaker 1: us that don't live in Los Angeles, most of us,
Speaker 1: especially when you're thinking of like for young black people,
Speaker 1: like gang culture was a part of life, Like, how
Speaker 1: is that avoided?
Speaker 2: Well, my father made sure. I mean he laid down
Speaker 2: the law. M hm, that's it. We had to be
Speaker 2: inside before the street lights came on to Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: supposed to.
Speaker 1: That's how I came up to the same thing.
Speaker 2: The street You better not get caught up that would
Speaker 2: do street lights on.
Speaker 1: So okay, was it still okay? What was what was
Speaker 1: the chores situation at the house, Like was that yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm certain that you sure had to.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we had to. We had chores. We had chores.
Speaker 2: We had to wash the dishes. Even even after we
Speaker 2: made it with the Jackson five and came out. We
Speaker 2: still had chores.
Speaker 5: Well, y'all still lived in the house together, right, So yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was I think Michael and I week
Speaker 2: to do the dishes, and Jackie and somebody else had
Speaker 2: a week. Yeah, somebody you know had a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had chores.
Speaker 1: Is the family resident still uho? Is that still where
Speaker 1: your mother is? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But if we were on Queen's Road, yeah, we were
Speaker 2: on Queen's Yeah. And we first got here, we were
Speaker 2: on Queen's Road. Well, we first stayed at the Tropicana Motel,
Speaker 2: a whole on Santa Monic because that on Santa Monica,
Speaker 2: Little Santa Monica or something like that.
Speaker 6: And when I got there, the first time I got
Speaker 6: the cat of Los Angeles, I couldn't believe how people
Speaker 6: were living. Almost cried, I said, even.
Speaker 2: Living like this all all my life, living this.
Speaker 6: Good life like this and driving Ferrari and roll voyages
Speaker 6: down the street. I mean it was just amazing. I mean,
Speaker 6: people living in the hills and the palm trees and
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, and I'm guarante Ana freezing
Speaker 6: my boat off and these people living like this.
Speaker 2: We lived that, we lived in the Tropicana for a while,
Speaker 2: and then uh believe before we went to Queen's Road,
Speaker 2: we lived with Donna Ross. Yeah, yeah, and she she
Speaker 2: had she had a house with white carpet everywhere and
Speaker 2: white walls. I think some of the furniture was white.
Speaker 2: And she she tore up the house with us.
Speaker 6: We all told that the paint on the wall and
Speaker 6: paints the walls like.
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, yeah, we had fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They also had a lot of money, but you sad
Speaker 2: a lot of money.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was for the other side of the story.
Speaker 6: Mary Wilson would come over to the house. It was
Speaker 6: so kind of so it's amazing. Mary would come over,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: For how's my babies. So we you know, we were
Speaker 2: young kids, but we had fun and they made sure
Speaker 2: that we had fun too. I mean, you know, they
Speaker 2: used to pick us up and take us to the
Speaker 2: movies sometime down matter of fact, down Ross pick Michael
Speaker 2: and I up when she first had her first baby,
Speaker 2: and this is where she lived on Maple and Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: and we all went upstairs. We were all went upstairs
Speaker 2: and she wanted us to paint some drapes because she
Speaker 2: was having a baby, our first kid. So we painted
Speaker 2: the drapes and do figures on it for the kid
Speaker 2: and we had a great time.
Speaker 1: You know, we're.
Speaker 2: I mean really.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to know from Tito and Jackie because
Speaker 1: you two are older, I guess in my mind, because
Speaker 1: I see the Jackson's as kind of the first family
Speaker 1: of post civil rights movement, like all the struggle that
Speaker 1: happened before nineteen sixty eight, Like you guys are the
Speaker 1: first to flourish and to post civil rights activity, but
Speaker 1: you guys are also teenagers in Los Angeles and you're
Speaker 1: successful at that. So I'm certain that there's also moments where,
Speaker 1: like you're in situations in which you're the only black
Speaker 1: person there, or you're driving an elaborate car that normally
Speaker 1: isn't you know, associated with people that look like you.
Speaker 1: Like how hard was it to navigate in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: ass teenagers where it's not so cute? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one thing when it's like Marlon and Michael, who are
Speaker 1: like eleven twelve younger. Was it different for a young
Speaker 1: black teenager in nineteen seventy two, seventy three, seventy four,
Speaker 1: like the first half of the seventies.
Speaker 4: I had an experience once when I was about I
Speaker 4: was in my.
Speaker 7: Late teens or early twenties, and I had got myself
Speaker 7: for the Mercedes three fifty essayl I think it was.
Speaker 7: And that's when I had stopped to get gasoline for
Speaker 7: my automobile. And this is the time when they put
Speaker 7: gas in your car.
Speaker 4: You didn't have to do it, they do it for you.
Speaker 4: And I pull in that I say, what do you want?
Speaker 7: I said, fill it up? And can you check the oil?
Speaker 7: So I pulled the lever for the thing, and you know,
Speaker 7: all of you know, there's two levers. There's one outside
Speaker 7: as well. So got yankee and I say, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 7: let me let me And so I go out and
Speaker 7: show him how to do it too. He slams my hood,
Speaker 7: then polls, pumps my gas and drip gas all on
Speaker 7: the side of my car and then takes Then I
Speaker 7: go inside and I noticed he's calling it on my
Speaker 7: credit card. So I told him, I said, I don't
Speaker 7: want to pay for the service. So he goes to
Speaker 7: the people and he wait a minute. He goes to
Speaker 7: a drawer, pulls out a gun, holds it to my
Speaker 7: head and said sign it. Of course, I signed it.
Speaker 7: I signed it. I immediately, this is before cell phones.
Speaker 7: I go to a stop as a phone, both call
Speaker 7: our security Bill Braid Bill, who's a detective. He rushes
Speaker 7: out to Chatsworth where I was immediately and go to
Speaker 7: the police station, playing the story to them.
Speaker 4: They go over to the station, picks up the guy
Speaker 4: and come back and then they tell us that if we.
Speaker 7: If we arrest this man, we're gonna have to rest
Speaker 7: mister Jackson too, for not for refusing to pay for service.
Speaker 1: So the guy walked.
Speaker 4: That's that's how that's how it ended. Yep, of course
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: And this guy, I guess he.
Speaker 4: Wasn't used to seeing the young black guy of color,
Speaker 4: whether he's young or not.
Speaker 7: You know, it was such a nice automobile because back
Speaker 7: then those Mercedes were very high items and I was
Speaker 7: the only nineteen driving one.
Speaker 1: So well, my my.
Speaker 2: Story is is a little different. This is we had
Speaker 2: our TV show, The Jackson Show, and yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: and we lived in the Sino and a lot of
Speaker 2: time we were shooting that shows somewhere and not at
Speaker 2: the CBS slot, but somewhere else. So I will come
Speaker 2: through Beverly Hills and over the hill to go home.
Speaker 2: And my first car was a Porsche. A Porsche and
Speaker 2: the police saw me driving, so he pulls me over
Speaker 2: and he walks up to the car and said, is
Speaker 2: this your car? I said yes. He said, driver's license
Speaker 2: such and such. I gave it to him. He sees
Speaker 2: Encino on it. Why are you going home this way?
Speaker 2: And I'm looking like, what do you mean while I'm
Speaker 2: going home this way? And yeah, you can go home
Speaker 2: any kind of way you want.
Speaker 1: To, and who says, I'm going home right?
Speaker 2: And then and then he says, well, where you get
Speaker 2: the money to buy a car like this from? And
Speaker 2: I tell him, you know, I'm an artist. I do
Speaker 2: records and whatever. And he wrote me up some phony
Speaker 2: ticke wrote me up a ticket for whatever it said.
Speaker 2: I gave it to our people to take care of.
Speaker 2: But I think Jackie, all of us used to get
Speaker 2: pulled over all the time, asking us, uh, I got
Speaker 2: a real funny story for you after this? Used to uh,
Speaker 2: used to give us tickets and pull us over just
Speaker 2: to harass us. But here's my real funny story. This
Speaker 2: story is so funny that I could Jackie, you know,
Speaker 2: don't get a tell. So Michael's first car was a
Speaker 2: Rose Royce. Right, he was, and he was eighteen. But
Speaker 2: Michael he parked anywhere. He didn't know. So one day
Speaker 2: I'm he didn't care. I'm driving down the street. I
Speaker 2: thought it was so funny. I'm driving down the street.
Speaker 2: And the police got Michael handcuffed to a bench.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: Because he had a lot of parking tickets. Did you stop?
Speaker 2: They never heard that story.
Speaker 1: Journalists are asking the wrong questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I did. But you couldn't say. You couldn't
Speaker 2: say too much. And and they let they let him
Speaker 2: go after it. I mean, you know, it's back in
Speaker 2: those days. You could you.
Speaker 5: Couldn't say you pull up the street and you're just
Speaker 5: looking from behind in the mirror.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, tell him the story.
Speaker 6: When we went down to Alabama, uh for my mother's Uh.
Speaker 6: They took Michael. He went into this, Michael went to this.
Speaker 2: Ye shut down South tell him what don Yeah, yeah, Mike,
Speaker 2: because Mike Mike like Antique. So the security was with him.
Speaker 2: So Bill said, I'm gonna go to the restaurant right quick.
Speaker 2: And the owner of the store, I don't know if
Speaker 2: he called the police whatever he thought Michael was trying
Speaker 2: to steal stuff out of the store. He didn't know
Speaker 2: who he was, and I think he and he got
Speaker 2: a gun and then bills and they took Michael somewhere
Speaker 2: looking for Michael and looking for Michael Jackie, I didn't
Speaker 2: forgot some of this stuff.
Speaker 6: He took Michael to the back room somewhere and tied
Speaker 6: him down. Michael was in the back room somewhere, like
Speaker 6: in the back ship.
Speaker 4: This is like, this is like in the seventies, late seventies. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're looking all over Michael and they had him
Speaker 6: tied down in the back ship. It's almost like the
Speaker 6: clamor was gonna take him away somewhere, you know, they were.
Speaker 2: Saving for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the story started with Alabama.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're looking for Michael all over the place
Speaker 6: and this guy had him tied down the back room.
Speaker 6: And this was like an antique stuff full of books
Speaker 6: and all kind of anti because Michael liked the old stuff.
Speaker 6: He like buying stuff like that. And they took him.
Speaker 6: They thought he was trying to steal something, and he
Speaker 6: took him in the back room and we went in
Speaker 6: the store.
Speaker 2: We could find him.
Speaker 6: He was in some other kind of ship behind behind
Speaker 6: that store. He was in another kind of.
Speaker 1: Jackson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hard to get him released.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to release and they realized school he was.
Speaker 2: But we think we didn't.
Speaker 1: We let it go.
Speaker 2: We didn't put it in the press.
Speaker 6: We let it you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it wasn't him until now a regular, if
Speaker 3: it was any other Jackson, right, it was Michael Johnson.
Speaker 1: Right, speaking speaking of Bill Bray. So I came across
Speaker 1: this this this like raw footage of a concert. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it was the Destiny era, But I was
Speaker 1: just looking at this footage and I'm noticing that the
Speaker 1: way that security is handled is not like it is now.
Speaker 1: Like there was no separation gait or something. The hole
Speaker 1: fans back like basically fans were one inch away from,
Speaker 1: you know, climbing on stage. And there's a point where
Speaker 1: I guess Bill Bray is giving you guys like a
Speaker 1: pep talk backstage on you know what my signals are?
Speaker 1: How often did you guys have to prematurely cut a
Speaker 1: show man all the time? So getting through a show
Speaker 1: was actually a hard thing to do.
Speaker 5: It was was it a song that popped them off?
Speaker 5: Or was it just like the moment you stepped on.
Speaker 4: Stage, the moment they said, the moment they set eyes
Speaker 4: on me.
Speaker 2: In the morning, it was a pandem morning. And believe it,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, there was a few times where
Speaker 2: we had bump threats, you know, and at one time
Speaker 2: they did find a bomb under the stage. They brought
Speaker 2: in the police dogs and all that stuff. So it
Speaker 2: you know, it's been different. So it's been different. We've
Speaker 2: been through a bunch of We used to go to
Speaker 2: shows in armor trucks because even on the Vision Tour
Speaker 2: we had dead threats. We sure did.
Speaker 8: Really Wow, Yeah, you're all brave for a bunch of
Speaker 8: fucking musicians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the decision to not I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we live in a time now where, you know, especially
Speaker 1: in social media, just everything's transparent and there's you know,
Speaker 1: nothing that's not revealed. What was the decision and not
Speaker 1: ever releasing these stories that things have happened for fear
Speaker 1: that copycats might try to follow, or.
Speaker 2: It's just never dawned on us. We you know, it
Speaker 2: was part of our life and I don't know, as
Speaker 2: we talked it just you know, we never tried to
Speaker 2: We weren't crazy about putting stuff in the press and
Speaker 2: and and those things. You know, we just move on
Speaker 2: with our life and keep going. I remember one time,
Speaker 2: long time ago, uh in Chatsworth again, Chessworth, California. My
Speaker 2: kids were at a park and my son drew it
Speaker 2: in the grass and a whole bunch of people stood
Speaker 2: up and they were the KKK and UH and some
Speaker 2: other friends came and and my wife and Jackie's wife
Speaker 2: and all jumped in the car car and took off.
Speaker 2: They came with bats and chains and UH. And somebody
Speaker 2: called the police and said there was a bunch of
Speaker 2: black ladies with afro wigs, I mean huge afros and
Speaker 2: and driving in the Mercedes down the streets flying and
Speaker 2: none of them had none of them had an.
Speaker 4: Afro, but they just saw the color of your skin
Speaker 4: and they just said afro and.
Speaker 2: And it was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was there.
Speaker 2: They were coming after him to kill him. They were
Speaker 2: having the picnic, and they jumped in the car, got
Speaker 2: all this stuff and just took off. And these guys
Speaker 2: with chains and bats coming after females.
Speaker 5: Were you guys able to share these situations and lean
Speaker 5: on some of your peers, because I'm sure y'all weren't
Speaker 5: the only ones going through stuff.
Speaker 3: Just at the time, Like who do y'all talk to
Speaker 3: about how to navigate all this stuff at that time
Speaker 3: in y'all lives.
Speaker 5: Not to mention you got parents from the South, but still.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we take care of it ourselves.
Speaker 1: Question love, it was the way the bullet. That's what
Speaker 1: sets it, you know, ask answer this question?
Speaker 5: When he came before, who is the first jackson to
Speaker 5: pop off? You said, Jermaine is the first jackson uh.
Speaker 2: To want to.
Speaker 7: I would run home the mama start he started to fight.
Speaker 4: He started to fight, me fighting and run home and
Speaker 4: tell mama, I'm fighting.
Speaker 1: Wait, Marlon, I have a question. So one of one
Speaker 1: of my favorite J five albums was Get It Together,
Speaker 1: and in particular, I mean I realize that now when
Speaker 1: when I was older that that was accidently no, no, no,
Speaker 1: uh mama h the cover of Uh Mama got Brandon
Speaker 1: New Thing. Don't say no, I'm realizing that you singing
Speaker 1: on it. How are you guys? Uh? What would you
Speaker 1: what would you say, Fante, I'm having lost awards? You
Speaker 1: call it the would you say the operation of uh
Speaker 1: the division division of labor, Division of labor? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: what is the division of labor as far as who
Speaker 1: gets what part or no, Well, that song.
Speaker 2: Was was produced by how Davis, So he would tell
Speaker 2: us who's going to sing this, who's going to sing that,
Speaker 2: who's going to sing this? Even in the corporation, you're
Speaker 2: gonna sing this part. You're gonna sing this part, and
Speaker 2: and that's how, and that's what we did when it
Speaker 2: you know, and and that's what and that's what we did.
Speaker 1: And did you sing on any other Jackson songs that
Speaker 1: didn't make it?
Speaker 2: Or like I think body Language is another one that
Speaker 2: I sung on too.
Speaker 4: She said that didn't make it?
Speaker 2: He said, quest has been so long ago.
Speaker 1: I got c r S.
Speaker 6: Remember r S disease?
Speaker 2: I should do you know after after after you get
Speaker 2: past fifty you know stuff, come and go?
Speaker 1: Can I ask?
Speaker 5: Can I ask you a dancing question that that you
Speaker 5: may remember?
Speaker 2: I mean that Wait, wait, that don't mean them answer.
Speaker 1: Somebody moment right now, right for real, for real, Mark
Speaker 1: Marlin for the moment right now? You the mean man?
Speaker 5: Yeah that too, But I was going to ask you,
Speaker 5: like your dancing story, like you talked about you and
Speaker 5: Michael being fans of Jackie Wilson and being a fan
Speaker 5: of a dance. But I'm just curious, like as you evolved,
Speaker 5: as dance evolved, like who are some of the folks
Speaker 5: that you started looking to.
Speaker 2: Like we we believe or not. We used to watch
Speaker 2: James Brown, like you, said Jackie Wilson. We used to
Speaker 2: watch Fredi stare g and Kelly.
Speaker 1: Rogers.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, we won't tip. We were walking
Speaker 2: on our toes. Now, Michael knock on Feta storage store.
Speaker 2: Let me tell jack jack I got so so one day,
Speaker 2: you know, Michael said, Marma, come come pick me up.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like driving to the studio. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come get you. And we drove Michael's car
Speaker 2: his roll here. Out in the car, Michael said, well, Marma,
Speaker 2: I want you to go this way. I said which way?
Speaker 2: I said, why are we going this way? He said,
Speaker 2: just go this way? And then we go into Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: He said, tear down this street. I said, said, well,
Speaker 2: you're not going to the studio, Mike. He said, dadd
Speaker 2: is to drive down there, Micha, I'm not driving down
Speaker 2: somebody's driveway. Marma, just drive down the driveway. He get
Speaker 2: out the car and knock on the door. It was
Speaker 2: freddie stairs house. You know, get out the car, knock
Speaker 2: on the door. Fredis Stair wasn't home.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he was.
Speaker 2: And I said, that's that's where Freddie Staire lives. That's
Speaker 2: his house. And somebody answered the door and told him
Speaker 2: that Freddie's Stair wasn't home at the time. And then
Speaker 2: we went on to the studio. But write.
Speaker 1: Was just walking time.
Speaker 2: What time we were in? Uh, sometimes figure out why
Speaker 2: we were there though we were so we Richie Pride
Speaker 2: lived in north in the north Ridge, so we Michael
Speaker 2: and I. I don't think I ever told you all this, Jackie.
Speaker 2: So Michael and I we stopped. We went to Richard
Speaker 2: Pride's house. Right, we knocked on the door. He come in.
Speaker 2: He's talking to us, and what was so funny to me?
Speaker 2: That we're leaving? And Richie goes to us. He said, yeah,
Speaker 2: that that's the Mercedes I shot the tires out of
Speaker 2: which he tried to wait where she tried to leave, right, mother,
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 5: I was also asking, like after fredstare like as the
Speaker 5: time went on the seventies and eighties, where the other
Speaker 5: folks too, did you were like? Because I know Michael
Speaker 5: implemented new styles and dance and form into his thing.
Speaker 5: But Marlon, I mean, I know you do your thing.
Speaker 2: I seen you. You still do your thing. You appreciate
Speaker 2: it trying to do something.
Speaker 1: Can I add to that question? What did you guys
Speaker 1: work with Charlie Atkins at all?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, never did never.
Speaker 1: Who's the choreographer for the Jackson five?
Speaker 2: Jackie and five?
Speaker 7: In the very beginning we got assistance from Suzanne to
Speaker 7: ask uh. She had a choreographed some of the I
Speaker 7: want you back stuff, the Sullivan stuff. But after that
Speaker 7: is basically even before that, it was always been the
Speaker 7: groups on their own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie, Michael and I we fool around. Jackie Michael
Speaker 2: and I. We until we realize we running out of time,
Speaker 2: didn't we say we better get serious with this. That's
Speaker 2: what That's what we did. On Motime twenty five. We
Speaker 2: spend almost two or three hours in the room talking, look, hey,
Speaker 2: the shoot tomorrow. We don't have any choreography before Wait
Speaker 2: what wow.
Speaker 1: Y'all did that the night before y'all did that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, what yeah?
Speaker 3: So my question what was your thoughts? This movie means
Speaker 3: the world to us, but to y'all. I want to
Speaker 3: know the v H one American Jackson's American.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the music.
Speaker 2: You got to ask Jackie Tito that I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: You are lie, seriously, No, I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. Model me too.
Speaker 1: All right, Wait, seriously, a part of it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. But can I tell you something.
Speaker 6: My father wasn't like that. They made him like he
Speaker 6: was so I mean, he wasn't like that. They they
Speaker 6: made like a real bad guy and he was not
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 1: Strength.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's for the movie.
Speaker 6: I mean, my father disciplined us because he had six boys,
Speaker 6: you know, and around games like that.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like that. But matter of fact, that's how
Speaker 2: we learned how to dance.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask all that too.
Speaker 3: Just so particularly about your dad because you know he's
Speaker 3: passed and I was watching the other day they showed
Speaker 3: the they have a new Tiger Woods documentary this on
Speaker 3: uh this out now, And yes, you know there's the
Speaker 3: kind of the telling you know, you think of just
Speaker 3: the strict father that's just kind of driving the kids,
Speaker 3: and your dad has always kind of been just the
Speaker 3: symbol of just the hard you know, disciplinarian father, And
Speaker 3: so I was just curious to know from your guy's
Speaker 3: own words, you know what was that relationship like?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's been kind of demonized in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: But since his passing in just over the years of
Speaker 3: y'all have has have y'all as y'all have grown as
Speaker 3: men and become fathers yourselves.
Speaker 1: How is that? How how do y'all look at y'all
Speaker 1: relationship with your dad.
Speaker 6: Now when you realize, you know, you go back and
Speaker 6: realize what he was doing was right.
Speaker 2: I mean, we came from a.
Speaker 6: Bad neighborhood Guarantiana, and he, I mean he kept us
Speaker 6: out of that situation by keeping us busy, keeping us rehearsing.
Speaker 6: He saw we had talent, and he said, if you
Speaker 6: want to be something, you've got to work at And
Speaker 6: that's what he did. And back in those days, you know,
Speaker 6: you know how parents raised kids, it was different. You know,
Speaker 6: even your neighbors, your parents, I mean, your neighbors would
Speaker 6: get you. You know, that's how it was back in
Speaker 6: those days. You can't do that stuff today. It's a
Speaker 6: whole different today, it's different, but not just the way
Speaker 6: it was back then.
Speaker 2: You know today today those jokers break their knuckles down
Speaker 2: in nine one one, yeah.
Speaker 5: Something as parents and grandparents now seeing the way the
Speaker 5: kids are like disciplined.
Speaker 1: Yes, I called it. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a different time when I look at you know,
Speaker 3: just when I think about, you know, your your dad,
Speaker 3: your dad's legacy and just what he was able to
Speaker 3: help y'all build. You know, it's just you know, whenever
Speaker 3: I see people being real harsh about you know, men
Speaker 3: of that time, I'm just like, listen, dude, Like white
Speaker 3: folks just ran up in the capitol.
Speaker 1: What was they doing in nineteen fifty nine? You know what?
Speaker 1: I like, what would you know what I'm saying? What
Speaker 1: think about what those guys.
Speaker 3: Were up against back then, trying to raise you know,
Speaker 3: you know all these kids of trouble, nine children and
Speaker 3: working in a steel mill, Like, come the funk on, dude,
Speaker 3: Like you got to put that in context, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was always to hear your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: And I went to the steel mail one time and
Speaker 2: some where my father worked. Man, they looked up that
Speaker 2: steel door and all that.
Speaker 6: Heat and fire key out, and I said, oh my god,
Speaker 6: how does he work in a place like this all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jackie took us home and wanted to rehearse even more.
Speaker 1: Better than being in Jackie, were you at one point
Speaker 1: seriously trying to consider uh a career in baseball at all?
Speaker 2: Wait? Wait wait, wait wait wait wait, Jackie, back that up.
Speaker 2: Not consider the white sox was looking at him.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Talk about it, Jackie.
Speaker 6: Come on, no, matter of fact, we all played baseball.
Speaker 6: We all baseball player, all of us. And I was
Speaker 6: a short stop and a picture and and they was
Speaker 6: after me and and stuff like that. But you know,
Speaker 6: I think I thought I made the right move by
Speaker 6: sticker with my brothers because the singing career last forever.
Speaker 1: You can sing forever, you know, and you can sing
Speaker 1: with bad knees.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but uh, you know, I did the right thing.
Speaker 2: We did the right thing to stay with the group
Speaker 2: and stay with the.
Speaker 1: Boys, because I would see you know often in like
Speaker 1: ride on magazine or whatever the periodicals were at the
Speaker 1: time of like you guys actually had your own softball team,
Speaker 1: Like how how was that arranged? Like like celebrities softball
Speaker 1: games versus each other would just be a thing of
Speaker 1: you calling them up or was it like some official.
Speaker 6: We had some of the coldest baseball teams we had.
Speaker 6: We had Willie god on our team.
Speaker 1: We had a cheetah.
Speaker 6: On the US and football we had the colders. And
Speaker 6: all those guys play baseball too, you know, don't they
Speaker 6: played college baseball. We win the championship every year.
Speaker 2: So Billy Christal, Billy Christ, Billy CHRISTI, they gonna get
Speaker 2: their team, him.
Speaker 9: And Rob right there and all of them. The story,
Speaker 9: they they gonna come and play us.
Speaker 6: You know Sam Watson, You know Sam. Any one knows
Speaker 6: Sam Watson. He's always in the ring all the time
Speaker 6: of the Fighters.
Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 5: Said the words that you're not supposed to say, but
Speaker 5: only he's supposed to say it.
Speaker 2: He said, Sam, Yeah with the Fighters. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Sam was on our baseball baseball Sam is the great
Speaker 2: baseball player.
Speaker 6: He can play.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Because I would notice all your appearances on Soul Train,
Speaker 1: Marlon me talk the most junk about you guys are
Speaker 1: sports prowess and in basketball and softball. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if that was like an actual thing, Like there was a.
Speaker 2: No, it's serious, and then there's a there's a picture somewhere.
Speaker 2: I saw Jackie playing basketball. Jackie used to play Marvin
Speaker 2: gay all the time at Marvin Gaye's house.
Speaker 6: Didn't you Jackie, You'll go one on one? He would
Speaker 6: call me over. We played one on one. He said,
Speaker 6: jack ain't paying no damn taxes.
Speaker 2: And he wrote a song about it, I can't pay
Speaker 2: my taxes. Maybe want to holler.
Speaker 6: Right right PASTA play all the time, one on one
Speaker 6: all the time at his house, he called.
Speaker 2: But he would push you around.
Speaker 6: Marvin played really rough though dirty.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, when you're in when when you get to
Speaker 1: l a like who and older? Who were your uh
Speaker 1: peers or like who would you hang with? Was it
Speaker 1: just in house or did you guys have like a
Speaker 1: relationship with the Silvers or anybody that was your age
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 6: We just hung together. We stayed in the recordings to
Speaker 6: be all. That's all cor Cord record, even on Sundays.
Speaker 2: They recorded all the time and time, and and then
Speaker 2: when we would go out and do concerts, we had
Speaker 2: a curfew, so we had to be in bed at
Speaker 2: a certain time and moms would come and tell our security,
Speaker 2: I know my daughter's up in there with Winnam Jackson,
Speaker 2: Like you said, I can guarantee you they an't wait,
Speaker 2: wasn't name Jackson's. They might be with one of them
Speaker 2: band members, but they ain't with with nothing of them
Speaker 2: Jackson's because I just did bed check and they all.
Speaker 6: Our very first, our very first big concert.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 6: You know where it was, Marmon, the very first big concert.
Speaker 2: You know where it was at the Forum with no.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about that one, the very first big one.
Speaker 6: Guess where it was, Philadelphia, Philadelphia Spectrum, Philadelphia. He said,
Speaker 6: that's where it was, remember man, the first start off.
Speaker 2: That's where Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: That's where it was there. Okay, So there's there's a
Speaker 1: folklore tale. One of the most famous graffiti writers in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's name is Cornbread. The legend of Cornbread is like
Speaker 1: the places that he would tag his his name, and
Speaker 1: the reason why that Philadelphia show, the reason why I
Speaker 1: know about it, even though I wasn't old enough to
Speaker 1: know about it, is that somehow Cornbread had managed to
Speaker 1: tag the Jackson five airplane with his name, which basically
Speaker 1: set his legend into like the graffiti world, like he
Speaker 1: tagged the Jackson five airplane from their Philadelphia Spectrum show. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean he's still living off that folklore right now.
Speaker 1: He's like sixty three years old. He finally signed a
Speaker 1: jacket for me after decades of big and for it.
Speaker 1: I want to ask about the move to Epic. You know,
Speaker 1: between there's sort of that period in which past the
Speaker 1: beginning stage of Motown where you guys are putting the
Speaker 1: Vegas Act together about to do the Variety Show, and
Speaker 1: of course you moved to Philly International Epic. What was
Speaker 1: basically I mean, were you guys trying to develop your
Speaker 1: music even before then, Like, were you guys writing actively
Speaker 1: writing and producing by that point or yeah, we when.
Speaker 6: We learned so much, you know by then with all
Speaker 6: the Motown writers and the producers. It's like going to
Speaker 6: school there anyway, because you learned so much they teach
Speaker 6: you at the same time. And all the wonderful hits
Speaker 6: that we had with Motown, what do you put us
Speaker 6: on the map? Barry Gordy and the whole crew and
Speaker 6: us crew of writers just amazing with the done for us.
Speaker 6: And at that time our contract was running out, we
Speaker 6: felt that it was time for us to start writing
Speaker 6: some some of our music because at that time we
Speaker 6: felt the Meat was kind of young and ABC and
Speaker 6: a little bit and kind of kind of bubble gummers,
Speaker 6: but it was the top of music that was geared
Speaker 6: to everybody to love.
Speaker 2: But we decided it's time let's just start writing some music,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: So we decided to no longer side with Mongtown, to
Speaker 6: go to another label where we can show them our
Speaker 6: ability to write songs and also produced records. So they
Speaker 6: put us with a camel In Huff, you know, and uh,
Speaker 6: we were so excited to be with those guys because
Speaker 6: those guys were known for writing hits on groups like
Speaker 6: Taty Pendergrass and the o Jays. You just the list
Speaker 6: goes on and on Cowboys the Girls.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite game, Cowboys the Girl.
Speaker 6: But what's that group in Trudi. We figured that we
Speaker 6: if we get with the Jackson Gip Gambling Huff, it's
Speaker 6: over with, it's gonna be a big time you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on those albums? Now? Like now?
Speaker 1: Over time?
Speaker 6: Incredible? Incredible man, Gambling Huff.
Speaker 1: We got there.
Speaker 6: We spent time just talking and talking.
Speaker 2: And we did a whole album in two weeks.
Speaker 3: In two weeks, man, Well, I would say my favorite
Speaker 3: material is still I mean the Gambler suff I mean,
Speaker 3: it's enjoy yourself and show you.
Speaker 1: I mean those are plazas.
Speaker 3: But for me personally, man, I just love when y'all
Speaker 3: wrote your own stuff like that was that's that's that
Speaker 3: ship with jamming.
Speaker 1: I just like y'all y'all doing your own material. Man,
Speaker 1: that shit was just it was great.
Speaker 6: So we wrote, you know, first we wrote to We
Speaker 6: wrote two songs on the on the album, then we
Speaker 6: gamble wrote the rest and songs, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: they gave us a whole album start writing because I guess, I.
Speaker 1: Guess, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. My elementary school
Speaker 1: was right next door to Philly International, So oftentimes, like
Speaker 1: first second grade, I'd see you guys running to your
Speaker 1: car on Broad Street. Really yeah, my I went to
Speaker 1: a performing arts school, which was if Philly International I
Speaker 1: think was three ten Broad Street. My school was three thirteen,
Speaker 1: So oftentimes you'd see like Teddy Pendergrad, you'd see everyone outside.
Speaker 1: But you know, of course I knew when the Jacksons
Speaker 1: were in proximity because every girl in that school just
Speaker 1: run outside and it's like, oh the Jackson's supposed to
Speaker 1: be next door or something. But I asked that question
Speaker 1: about the seventies because it just hit me. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me who the group MDLT was? Because I collected
Speaker 1: a lot of records, and probably one of the highest
Speaker 1: priced forty fives that someone tried to get me for
Speaker 1: was a Jackson five produced song called What's Your Game?
Speaker 1: By M d l T.
Speaker 2: What's Your Game?
Speaker 1: It was like they were m d l T was
Speaker 1: like a I think the legends that they were on
Speaker 1: Ivory Every Tower, Yeah, Ivory Tower, like four girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my father's group.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they just saw like the Dinah Ross thing.
Speaker 1: They just use the and of course the suckle like
Speaker 1: me comes along. It's like, yeah, I'll pay thousand for that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it now. So that was just on his label.
Speaker 1: But you guys didn't specifically produce that single or anything. Correct.
Speaker 2: I don't remember producing we're doing anything?
Speaker 4: You did?
Speaker 6: Yes, we did, you don't remember.
Speaker 1: He's right, we did that, Okay. I at least don't
Speaker 1: feel ripped off or pain for that.
Speaker 2: We did. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Jackie I mentioned I mentioned this and and your
Speaker 1: and your Brothers documentary for Off the wall that one
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments in discovering that that demo on
Speaker 1: Shake your Body Down to the ground. Was you yelling,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the begs to hear this ship? Said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, it's my favorite thing ever.
Speaker 2: It's right right?
Speaker 1: Do you end the demo and it stops the bgs
Speaker 1: to hear this ship?
Speaker 6: My mom, Mommy was at your house. And then that's
Speaker 6: a song we were doing, like I half a song.
Speaker 6: We was messing around this this messing around with a
Speaker 6: groove and we was making up something.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 6: And I said something like I can win the BG's here.
Speaker 6: He's right, I said that, And they caught that stuff,
Speaker 6: and I said, with viral, didn't it? A lot of
Speaker 6: people did with viral?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what what were your I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I mean at that at that point, I know that
Speaker 1: you you had to, you know, something to prove. And
Speaker 1: this is like the moment that you guys are going
Speaker 1: to step to the plate and produce your own material.
Speaker 1: But were you guys seriously eyeing like, Okay, they sold
Speaker 1: twelve million units, that's us, Like that's what we want?
Speaker 1: Like what oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: In your mind? Was were they the standards of who
Speaker 1: to be, like why not earth Went and Fire or
Speaker 1: p Funk or I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, maybe I don't know what.
Speaker 6: Maybe say that about the BG. It just came out, BGS.
Speaker 6: Here this ship, it just happened.
Speaker 2: I just named the BG.
Speaker 6: It could have been I could have been just you know,
Speaker 6: it just happened. It was we was in sane something
Speaker 6: like the little group, just making something as we go along,
Speaker 6: and I said, wait till this ship or something like that.
Speaker 6: I remember something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, ironically we all get inducted into the Rock
Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: Together, oh together, all that came out b G.
Speaker 1: Also, I also asked your brother Randy this question. So
Speaker 1: in terms of presentation and theatrics, like, you guys definitely
Speaker 1: raise the game higher. I mean, by that point in
Speaker 1: seventy seven, you know, earth wind Fire is bringing theatrics
Speaker 1: to the game, and p Funk definitely was bringing theatrics
Speaker 1: to the game.
Speaker 6: But man, it was tough then.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know, though, why was Randy the
Speaker 1: designated agitator? Like usually any explosions were because of Randy
Speaker 1: either throwing you guys in a pit or throwing some
Speaker 1: flash paper and exploit like why was he the one?
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like you guys are brothers in
Speaker 1: the first twenty three minutes and then Randy does this
Speaker 1: terrorist act like Okay, then I'm gonna this fire and
Speaker 1: it's gonna explode and we'll have on new outfits.
Speaker 2: Like well, because you're right, I've never looked at it
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: But you're right, though, why was he the designated back
Speaker 1: guy that had.
Speaker 2: To do because he was because he wasn't in the
Speaker 2: Jackson fire. That's why.
Speaker 1: How did you guys conceptualize those shows? Though?
Speaker 2: I told you just to cry.
Speaker 6: When we used to go on the road and drive
Speaker 6: down and drive our driveway going out the gate heading
Speaker 6: for the airport, he would cry like a baby sitting
Speaker 6: the driver because he thought he was coming with us,
Speaker 6: you know, so he thought.
Speaker 4: He pushing the butt, he pushed the button for the
Speaker 4: gate for the car to leave.
Speaker 5: Did y'all y'all didn't initiate him when he came when
Speaker 5: he finally became a part, did you like, he was
Speaker 5: always there, but.
Speaker 2: He was around. He was hanging around before he became,
Speaker 2: you know, full member.
Speaker 6: And when they became a full member. I remember doing
Speaker 6: his concert one time. This is so funny, packed to
Speaker 6: the rapt us all the way around, number of people
Speaker 6: so ran.
Speaker 2: He's on the stage.
Speaker 6: He's getting his shot to be on the stage. And
Speaker 6: he was playing because he can play some kools, bongles
Speaker 6: and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: That's all of a sudden, it's time for Randy to
Speaker 6: do a solo, right, All of a sudden, he gets
Speaker 6: the spotlight, get on it for him to play and.
Speaker 4: Do a solo right right, and the music breaks.
Speaker 6: And Randy fro up. Randy looked up, and so all
Speaker 6: these people start looking around around like this around seeing
Speaker 6: all this.
Speaker 10: He forgot his solo. He didn't plays play. Keep looking
Speaker 10: around all these twenty thousand people in there. Oh man,
Speaker 10: yeah he didn't play.
Speaker 2: Man. Then we came up later. Yeah, he came in later.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna tell you a story. On the thirtieth anniversary,
Speaker 2: we was doing you know, Shaky Body, and we went
Speaker 2: to one corner of the stage. We run to the
Speaker 2: other corner of the stage. So we ran to the
Speaker 2: and y'all didn't even know this was happening on stage.
Speaker 2: We ran to the corner stage and we do our
Speaker 2: break and we freeze and were just waiting there, waiting there,
Speaker 2: waiting there, and Michael goes, what's next, What's next? I said, Michael,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to count it off? What this is going on?
Speaker 2: This is going on stage and I didn't even know it.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't know the next cue, No, the.
Speaker 2: Next cue was him. He's about to go to start
Speaker 2: the band again. Oh, and he's telling us what's next,
Speaker 2: what's next?
Speaker 6: That's for television, what's the next? I remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so for for those for those shows, though, how
Speaker 1: much preparation goes into that, and like who decides what
Speaker 1: musicians come aboard? Who decides like Duck Henning is now
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's Duck Henning.
Speaker 2: That helped the first The only thing Doug Henning did
Speaker 2: it what's the what's the magic?
Speaker 1: That's all he did, even introducing magic to a show
Speaker 1: like who who? Like what what's the pre meeting? The
Speaker 1: pre meeting? Uh situation like before that, even.
Speaker 2: Before Jackie, you you might not know. Before you all came.
Speaker 2: Michael and I went and we met with Doug Henny
Speaker 2: to look at all whatever magic he had, and we
Speaker 2: picked the one. We picked the one that goes up
Speaker 2: and explosion there that that would work for the show,
Speaker 2: and then you all came the second time we used Magi.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Doug Kenny Jackie. Who was I forgot who
Speaker 2: he's on the Come on Copperfield.
Speaker 6: David Copper He's running right, he's the one.
Speaker 1: But what was the decision to add those elements to
Speaker 1: the show that just came out of nowhere?
Speaker 6: Because you know, at that particular time, a lot of
Speaker 6: acts were doing something similar to that. You know, they
Speaker 6: had something special, like an illusion or something like that, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: And we decided we add this to the show.
Speaker 2: It's going to be something incredible, you know, you know
Speaker 2: what I show.
Speaker 6: Because we we've always had a high energy type show,
Speaker 6: you know, okay, people dancing and a lot of a
Speaker 6: lot of energy and pretty much a nice sized production.
Speaker 6: So we decided we add this to the show. It
Speaker 6: would just go over the top, you know, right, That's
Speaker 6: how and that's how we were thinking.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I'll let my look, I'll
Speaker 1: let the listeners know that, especially watching all this as
Speaker 1: like a nine ten year older, no one has utilized
Speaker 1: slow motion effects better than the Jackson's Like practically every
Speaker 1: Variety show they were ever on. There's a moment I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought you guys could fly. There's always some point
Speaker 1: in that performance where you guys either running or airlifting,
Speaker 1: like seven feet up in the air. And I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: the Jacksons can really fly like that. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: till later that you know, that's called post editing. But
Speaker 1: I just start you guys at magic flying ability.
Speaker 3: I want to know, how do you guys, you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about we were talking about the CBS
Speaker 3: years how when you guys left Motown and you know,
Speaker 3: how did y'all kind of repair that relationship with Barry
Speaker 3: Gordy later on? Like how did he, you know, take
Speaker 3: y'all leaving and you know, where's the Joab's relationship at
Speaker 3: with him?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: We're cool, always.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 2: You know, business is business. Just a business decision. And
Speaker 2: we were young. It was a decision that my father
Speaker 2: actually you know, you know, made and and so we
Speaker 2: moved forward on it. But I think one of the
Speaker 2: I remember someone telling me, you know, Jackie, you might
Speaker 2: have that. Barry Gordy said, the worst thing he ever
Speaker 2: did is let the Jackson five get away from Motown. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was no like space or room for
Speaker 1: any discussion of Okay, how many songs do you want
Speaker 1: to produce? Or or I'll call your bluff and see
Speaker 1: if you guys would like Did he really think you
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't leave or anything.
Speaker 7: I don't know the details, but I think basically he
Speaker 7: felt that there wasn't broke. Why try to fix something
Speaker 7: that's working, you know? So basically I don't think he
Speaker 7: had that. We had never wrote or produced anything publicly,
Speaker 7: so I think he just felt why changed things too much?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have questions about the Triumph album because that's where, individually,
Speaker 1: you guys really can into your own as far as
Speaker 1: songwriting and producing is concerned. Side note, Jackie, you you've
Speaker 1: actually written my favorite Jackson song of all time, like
Speaker 1: Your Ways is like my all time favorite song in life.
Speaker 1: Oh oh god, yeah, no, no, no doubt. I mean
Speaker 1: no offense to you other Jackson's, but you know that's.
Speaker 3: Where you go off all your ways, that's the way
Speaker 3: I go forgive it up. I love I know Marlin,
Speaker 3: like that's you you sing in lead with Michael on
Speaker 3: that one man. I love I love that song man,
Speaker 3: And I thought y'all really was y'all. Was that in
Speaker 3: sence y'all trying to go for kind of the yacht
Speaker 3: rock kind of I guess that.
Speaker 1: You know that kind of song.
Speaker 2: No, it just said that's what the song called for,
Speaker 2: So that's what you get it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: There's the magic that happens in the studio when you're working,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden somebody hit you with someone the
Speaker 2: song needs this, bam, so you do it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it's just work. It's just you know,
Speaker 2: you can't go in and say I'm gonna do this,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that, i'mna do that. It doesn't work
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's a feel, it's a you know. That's why
Speaker 2: I try to tell some of the kids today. And
Speaker 2: with all these electronics that they use, and I tell people,
Speaker 2: how are they supposed to get the sound the way
Speaker 2: that instrument really sound if you never heard that instrument? Right?
Speaker 6: And and and and these these these three albums that
Speaker 6: were just released a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: They have great songs on the songs that never get
Speaker 6: that attention, you know what I'm saying. But your ways
Speaker 6: now they're sticking those out. They did some remixing. They
Speaker 6: sound great, really, I mean it's.
Speaker 2: The Blues Away used one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound great.
Speaker 2: And that's what you get for being polite and things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's on there too. Yeah, all that stuff I heard.
Speaker 6: It sounds great, different mixes on it.
Speaker 1: How do you guys write the songs together?
Speaker 2: Well, we started, we started writing. We started writing the
Speaker 2: Destiny album when Michael was doing The Weed. You know.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to know, how is it like
Speaker 1: how what was the process of doing Destiny while he
Speaker 1: was doing the Wiz? Did it come out before or after?
Speaker 1: Wells was after the Whiz? Correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, right, We were getting the studio and just start
Speaker 2: writing songs. We you know, meet up at noon and
Speaker 2: we're going to spend you know, four or five five
Speaker 2: hours in the studio and we're gonna come up with
Speaker 2: some stuff and write some songs.
Speaker 6: And sometimes we do Tito had this big camper, you know,
Speaker 6: with the three stooges on it. We would take it
Speaker 6: out to the beach and sit by the ocean and
Speaker 6: write lyrics and we do things like that and go
Speaker 6: out in different plant areas and go in to camper
Speaker 6: and just write lyrics and come back, you know, spend
Speaker 6: about five or six hours out you know, the Pacific
Speaker 6: Ocean at the beach, and park the camper sideways and
Speaker 6: just look at the ways, and we have food in
Speaker 6: their sandwiches, and we write lyrics and and write songs. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and then go back. I can studio record because we
Speaker 6: all had a whole recording.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha, man, I must know for all the
Speaker 1: people in my generation.
Speaker 3: So this song came out. I guess I was four.
Speaker 3: The video for can You Feel It? Dude, that was
Speaker 3: the scariest, most awesome.
Speaker 1: Can I piggy back on top of that? On top
Speaker 1: of that? You were four with can You Feel It?
Speaker 1: But try explaining to a seven year old this reflection
Speaker 1: ship for blaming on the boogie, which absolutely scared the
Speaker 1: ship out of me as a kid, because Soult train
Speaker 1: would come on at one in the morning. So watching
Speaker 1: you guys with this reflective ship and like here my
Speaker 1: dad's musicians say, like, oh, that's what the a Nassai
Speaker 1: trip is like a mere Like again, I know, you
Speaker 1: guys are one step ahead of technology with everything that
Speaker 1: y'all have done, but what was I mean? Yeah, blame
Speaker 1: it on the Boogie and can you feel it? They
Speaker 1: were big. Yeah, I was like the big niggas just
Speaker 1: frequently I could go away from it. I think by
Speaker 1: that point, you guys are in your mid twenties almost thirty,
Speaker 1: so it's different. But when you're this, you're watching, when
Speaker 1: you're watching under the age of ten, it's a whole
Speaker 1: another it's a different thing. Yeah, Blame It on the
Speaker 1: Boogie used to actually scare me, like just to watch
Speaker 1: because I couldn't understand this whole reflection thing and free
Speaker 1: it that scared me became Michael with Thrilling Thanks Thriller. No,
Speaker 1: we were after scaring us for two years with that
Speaker 1: ship as big as marbles chasing Michael and don't stop
Speaker 1: to good enough like we were used to it at
Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, even when making Okay, so in
Speaker 1: doing the Blame It on the Boogie video, was that
Speaker 1: just like fifteen minutes out of your life, Like what
Speaker 1: are we we go over there, we dance, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: it and those.
Speaker 6: Are just effects we put on there afterwards, you know,
Speaker 6: you know how long did.
Speaker 1: That whole process take in Like just to record you
Speaker 1: just did like a couple of takes of it and
Speaker 1: then that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the all the work is really done in
Speaker 2: the editing room on a lot of those videos. Watch it,
Speaker 2: and it is done on the greens. A lot of
Speaker 2: stuff is done on a green screen or a chroma key,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. Right, Yes, And I
Speaker 2: mean today they have it a lot easier. You can
Speaker 2: do stuff on your computer and everything is at your fingertips.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't that way back in the day, not
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Who chose the musician personnel for those records, because you
Speaker 1: guys had like the monsters, you had likes Nathan Watts
Speaker 1: and great feeling gains. Yeah, with great feeling gains.
Speaker 2: Those guys basically hung out with her. They were like
Speaker 2: friends of ours. We hung out.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we hung out a lot together, all of us. Williams,
Speaker 11: Ray Parker, all the show, We all hang out.
Speaker 6: We all hung out together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ray Parker played on a lot of Jackson's material.
Speaker 1: You know David Williams, Yeah, he's David Is I feel
Speaker 1: like an extension of I mean, he's Billy Preston as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. To you, guys, Beatles, like his
Speaker 1: guitar sound is.
Speaker 7: Like it is.
Speaker 2: People even our band members. Man, David got some bad
Speaker 2: guitar legs. You know how did he get there? I said,
Speaker 2: we we told David what we wanted him to play.
Speaker 2: So so we we come up with a guitar in
Speaker 2: our head, and we tell him how to play it
Speaker 2: and how we wanted to sound, and and then we
Speaker 2: go back and what made that. David's the guitar player.
Speaker 2: They already had bite but to make but to make
Speaker 2: it even stronger than what it was we would do
Speaker 2: was incredible. He would he was a massive locking it down,
Speaker 2: locking it. He wouldn't lock it, but he just like
Speaker 2: he would bite it when he play like he's like
Speaker 2: he's pulling the strings like that. Okay, David, we gotta
Speaker 2: do another take. Okay, wait a minute, let me get
Speaker 2: a pizza of my chicken. What he has some fried
Speaker 2: chicken on the side.
Speaker 4: He liked to get the fingers.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I know what I want to ask. Okay,
Speaker 1: I cheat it. I have the sim so I've heard it.
Speaker 1: I gotta know. Okay, I'm assuming that because of how
Speaker 1: time has to be edited so that an entire album
Speaker 1: side can fit. Jackie on wondering who why was Michael's
Speaker 1: bridge taken out? Was it just to cut? Was it
Speaker 1: just to cut or edit? So that that.
Speaker 2: Let me explain what you tell. So the listener is
Speaker 2: gonna stand back. If you had too much low end
Speaker 2: and you try to master it, it'll spread and eat
Speaker 2: up more of the record. You have to master and
Speaker 2: get the right sounds and get everything. It's not that
Speaker 2: way today, but you know, and we go to Bernie
Speaker 2: Grub and mastering all he did all the mastering, and
Speaker 2: a lot of times we'd be in the studio, I mean,
Speaker 2: how many minutes is it? You know, because we only
Speaker 2: can put so many minutes on a record. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and if you got to sell, if you got a
Speaker 2: record like Shake your Body with a lot of low end,
Speaker 2: then your minutes get less because it's gonna eat up
Speaker 2: more space. And so we will always keep track of
Speaker 2: the time on how much time that we had to
Speaker 2: put on there and get in there, and sometimes we.
Speaker 4: Had to make edits.
Speaker 2: That's right, so it'll fit.
Speaker 1: So my question is though, I mean, you know, walk
Speaker 1: right Now is a guardiange Wan Time song seven minutes right, Like,
Speaker 1: why not edit from walk right Now? Instead of taking
Speaker 1: like Michael's part out of wondering who I mean, no
Speaker 1: one misses it because no one's ever heard it. But
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very curious edit and always
Speaker 1: wondered like.
Speaker 6: Why did you take his part out?
Speaker 1: Well, you could have saved twenty three minutes. You could
Speaker 1: have shaved twenty three seconds from walk right now. But
Speaker 1: instead you.
Speaker 2: Don't know that answer, No, Jaggie, don't it just happened.
Speaker 2: We weren't feeling it and it was just happening. But
Speaker 2: on walk right now, we want to capture it now
Speaker 2: walk right now, but walk right now away. But uh
Speaker 2: we uh, we had the percussionist of Pauline or the
Speaker 2: Costa you said, uh it used to come in the
Speaker 2: studio and he have all his toys around him and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, right, and so he's trying to get
Speaker 2: some sound. But yes, and he would be laughing playing
Speaker 2: but he can play his rump off and uh. And
Speaker 2: we want to make sure that we kept all the stuff.
Speaker 2: He did keep all the stuff and on walk right now,
Speaker 2: what we One of the things we did is we
Speaker 2: took the tape, we splice it, and we took the
Speaker 2: tape and we played it backwards. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 2: we because you know computers today, you can do whatever
Speaker 2: you want to do, but back in those days, but
Speaker 2: when you do that, you've got to make sure that
Speaker 2: it's in sync. You got to be on the down beat.
Speaker 2: And it takes it took a while for us to
Speaker 2: get that down just the way we wanted so it
Speaker 2: can come right on the down boundary. It and something
Speaker 2: that just happened like that, and we're breathing over the
Speaker 2: over the engineer to make sure he's splicing at the
Speaker 2: right time, right spot, because you don't get a chance,
Speaker 2: second chance, right exactly, you know, and he's nervous and
Speaker 2: get the razor blade and you know, then Spice put
Speaker 2: it all back together and we listened to it. It
Speaker 2: ain't down beat, Okay, we got to come back reverse
Speaker 2: and put him.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: So it took it took some time.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, right, you know, No, I
Speaker 1: totally look Steve, I'm surprised Steve's not weighing in probably
Speaker 1: of any album that I've studied, the mixing and mastering
Speaker 1: of probably the Trump record. I asked, uh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the last couple of years of my life, I've been
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, for my fortieth I asked, back when
Speaker 1: ll A Red was president of Epic, if I could,
Speaker 1: if you could send me all the all the the
Speaker 1: stems could study, and yeah, Walk Right Now had a
Speaker 1: lot of tracks on it, even that part with Da
Speaker 1: Costa's solo with all those percussion things like just the
Speaker 1: painstaking and you guys did it without pro tools. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you guys had to make that ship up. Marlon.
Speaker 1: By this point, also you were doing producing yourself, working
Speaker 1: on a Betty Wright's record, in addition your sister Janet
Speaker 1: working on her Like, what can you talk about your
Speaker 1: first four race into outside producing?
Speaker 2: Well, don't stand another chance? Is is a song that
Speaker 2: Jump Barnes and I wrote?
Speaker 1: And can you also explain to cherylne connection with that.
Speaker 2: Because there's no Shirlene connection.
Speaker 1: Well, the I have a track of a cheryln song
Speaker 1: singing the same rhythm track, but just new lyrics of it.
Speaker 1: I never understood the difference between I've never heard that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's called Love's.
Speaker 6: Quesse Love clus got stuff you don't even have.
Speaker 2: Did you have been up on Mars?
Speaker 1: I actually asked. I was confused about it, and Jimmy
Speaker 1: Jim had told me there's Yeah, there's a song that
Speaker 1: came out on on her Instant not the Instant Love album,
Speaker 1: but it's called Love Love Rush Love Rush, It's on
Speaker 1: the Preppy album. So I wanted to know, if you like,
Speaker 1: what was what was the working relationship with John Barnes
Speaker 1: as far as putting that song together.
Speaker 2: We just came in and John John was playing this
Speaker 2: song and you wanted me to do the lyrics and
Speaker 2: and so I said, yeah, let's get it done. Let's
Speaker 2: do it. So we worked on worked on it together.
Speaker 2: John and John, John Barnes and I used to hang
Speaker 2: out all the time. He used to come over to
Speaker 2: the house all the time. And we just started writing
Speaker 2: stuff and doing stuff.
Speaker 1: And working with with Betty Wright also that process.
Speaker 2: Betty, Betty is a Betty is a great person. She's ah,
Speaker 2: you rest in peace. She just passed away, right, but
Speaker 2: she she was. She's a great woman. She's a great
Speaker 2: singer too. And on on that album. Luther did a
Speaker 2: lot of background stuff on that album before people knew
Speaker 2: who Luther Vandross was, you know. And I had a
Speaker 2: great time in the studio working with Betty. And you know,
Speaker 2: she's funny, she's she's a vocal coach as well. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and Betty knew every damn body you know,
Speaker 2: so when you needed something, she's a don't worry, I
Speaker 2: got it. You know, we're calling people to do stuff
Speaker 2: for us. And the end, uh, I called in John
Speaker 2: Barnes to come in because we had this band that
Speaker 2: was doing these tracks with us, and and the tracks
Speaker 2: kept swimming and the drama just couldn't keep time. And
Speaker 2: so the limb machine, the drum limb machine, it had
Speaker 2: just come out, right, So I told John to step
Speaker 2: at my house and grab my drum limb machine, because
Speaker 2: you know, I knew how to program that that machine
Speaker 2: to make drums sound like to make to make them
Speaker 2: sound like rest wrong, like real, like like real real drums.
Speaker 2: And that's the whole key.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take it. Please actually, Jackie for
Speaker 1: you as well. I know that your solo album came
Speaker 1: out in seventy three. Are you Are you even aware
Speaker 1: that Is It Him or Me is kind of held
Speaker 1: up in high regard and in sort of hip hop circles.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a well because it has a drum,
Speaker 1: a famous drum break on it that you know, an
Speaker 1: obscure album can suddenly become like uh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't aware in active. Okay, yeah, I was going
Speaker 1: to say, like is it him or me? But I
Speaker 1: wanted to know about that song? Is that to you?
Speaker 6: Just like it's funny you say that because I noticed
Speaker 6: my boys. I got twin boys here, they're very young,
Speaker 6: and over the last two weeks they've been playing that
Speaker 6: a lot in the house and I was hearing that,
Speaker 6: you know, I was upstairs and I was here, who's
Speaker 6: that singing? And it was me and you know, and
Speaker 6: my boys were like, they're seven years old. You know,
Speaker 6: it's twin boys, and they play all of our all
Speaker 6: of our music, all right, But all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: they was playing my solo album. I haven't heard that
Speaker 6: stuff in about twenty years my solo stuff maybe longer
Speaker 6: than that. And it was planning and I was really
Speaker 6: I was really grooving off of it, you know, thanks
Speaker 6: to them, but just bringing you know, to my attention
Speaker 6: and it sounds great, you know, yeah, a lot a
Speaker 6: lot of time when I tour people as aspect, how
Speaker 6: come you don't do the songs?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: When I do the meet and wed? How can you're
Speaker 6: not doing these songs?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: For again, for hip hop producers, like that album is one.
Speaker 6: Of the you know, yeah, it's one of those things that's.
Speaker 1: One of yeah that just caught on. So for hip
Speaker 1: hop collectors like is it Him or Me is like
Speaker 1: one of our one of our our favorite songs. But
Speaker 1: actually for the both of you, with you Marlon and
Speaker 1: with you Jackie working on Baby Tonight and your album
Speaker 1: was a be the one, what was what was that
Speaker 1: process like, like finally working on your solo albums in
Speaker 1: that time period like after the after the Victory album
Speaker 1: and and those things, like, what was what was that
Speaker 1: process like for you working on those albums?
Speaker 2: For me, it was, well, I had a studio in
Speaker 2: the back of my house, so I'd get up in
Speaker 2: pajamas and just going to studios, spin on a practice
Speaker 2: almost all night there and and just come up with
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff or you know, in the studio
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of stuff that I have that
Speaker 2: was never released or you know, hasn't been out, and uh,
Speaker 2: some good stuff too. I think I was playing some
Speaker 2: of some of it the other day, and you know,
Speaker 2: you've been doing it all your life, so it's almost
Speaker 2: like second nature is not something you know that you
Speaker 2: whoa it's like, Okay, got to get another project done.
Speaker 2: You got to do this. I mean we grew up
Speaker 2: in the studio, we from from young kids to to now.
Speaker 2: So when you get in the studio, you you pretty
Speaker 2: much know the ins and out. You know, you how
Speaker 2: to work the boards, how to engineer this stuff. You
Speaker 2: know what you're looking for. So it was it wasn't
Speaker 2: It wasn't that difficult. But it's fun, especially when you
Speaker 2: start working on some stuff for you for yourself. You know,
Speaker 2: you try to make it fun, but you want to
Speaker 2: make sure, as you know, you try to capture what
Speaker 2: you're looking for. But it was it wasn't that difficult.
Speaker 2: I mean, you pretty much use the same guys that
Speaker 2: you always used on the Destiny. You call in Greg
Speaker 2: Field and Games to play some stuff, David Williams to
Speaker 2: play some licks for you, some awesome stuff that you
Speaker 2: want to do. You know, you get with Jerry Hale.
Speaker 6: Or somebody and give them the horned lenks.
Speaker 2: You want to go right out the chart to do.
Speaker 2: Let me in on this.
Speaker 6: And one thing about these these artists that we had,
Speaker 6: these these you know, like I said before, these artists,
Speaker 6: they they hung around us as friends, so they know
Speaker 6: everything about us.
Speaker 2: They know exactly what we were looking for. Uh.
Speaker 6: They were friends of all. We hung out together and
Speaker 6: we we went to dinner together. We did a lot
Speaker 6: of things. Matter of fact, they were our ages. I
Speaker 6: mean they grew up with us, so everything came in
Speaker 6: the nature. It was easy, you know, quite easy.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, Marlon, one of one of
Speaker 1: the bands that I like is is Gritty Polity and
Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, fred Fred Mayer, Yeah, the album
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 1: What was it like working with them?
Speaker 2: Fred Fred was cool because it was my first time.
Speaker 2: Fred Is One turned me onto the ad One. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're familiar with the add one drums
Speaker 2: drum kit?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's the same kid that Phil Collins use on
Speaker 2: I can feel it in the air tonight. Yeah, is
Speaker 2: that is that sounding? And fred Fred that a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I bought one and we came up and
Speaker 2: we wrote a lot of stuff together. Yes, I like
Speaker 2: screaty pliny today. You be doing yourself huh.
Speaker 5: Like he had a sound, I got a whole sears.
Speaker 5: I got to write that one down to.
Speaker 1: We talked about them on another episode. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was kind of deeping on them. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: going to say, no, we're not just thriller bandwagoners like
Speaker 1: we're you know we we we know the whole spectrum
Speaker 1: of the entire work of you know, all all nine
Speaker 1: of you. Actually, wait a minute, we're talking about scary videos.
Speaker 1: The one we never mentioned it was freaking torture. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't watch that one. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: watch that one with Jackie the Eye in the head.
Speaker 1: Why that was.
Speaker 2: Torture is a great song?
Speaker 6: No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a great song. But now I just think
Speaker 1: of and like the Slime.
Speaker 2: Story.
Speaker 6: We're on the Victory tour right the very beginning of
Speaker 6: the Victory tour, and at the time I was dating
Speaker 6: Paul Due At the time, I was the one who
Speaker 6: ropped whoever that is. I was the one who got
Speaker 6: her in the industry. I mean when she was a
Speaker 6: Laker girl. I remember sitting on the floor all.
Speaker 2: The Abduchie did you get her? In the nasty video?
Speaker 6: Me and Marlin had see some Lake and see on
Speaker 6: the floors when Magic Johnson was doing their thing at
Speaker 6: the time, And I'm sitting on the floor and every
Speaker 6: day I'm on the floor walks around every day before
Speaker 6: the game start. Dinzel would come over and say hello
Speaker 6: tover we come for. He comes in lake and I
Speaker 6: think he just came off his first big movie, his
Speaker 6: first movie, and he would walk around the place and
Speaker 6: people really didn't know who he was, and he would
Speaker 6: come over and say hello to me. But he's Dinzel today.
Speaker 6: But anyway, I'm sitting on the floor and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, Paula comes over and another girl comes over
Speaker 6: and they want an autograph, you know, And all of
Speaker 6: a sudden I signed an autograph and she goes back
Speaker 6: and sit behind the basket, well you know where the
Speaker 6: Laker girls sit there and sit behind the basket, and
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Sam wha and come over and
Speaker 6: said Jackie, Paula wants to know that you want to
Speaker 6: have coffee, you have to be a game. And I said, sure,
Speaker 6: let's let's go tell her. Yeah. I made her after
Speaker 6: the game, and so we went to have some coffee
Speaker 6: and we became very good friends, you know, and we
Speaker 6: dated for like four years.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Next thing I know, she's doing Janet videos and put
Speaker 6: her with Janet. Me and John McLean put her the Janet.
Speaker 6: She's doing all the Janet stuff. And next thing, we
Speaker 6: go on the Victory tour and we have way in
Speaker 6: New York City. So we had a cattle call of people,
Speaker 6: maybe three hundred people to be in this video. And
Speaker 6: she helped me arrange the video for torture video. And
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I said, paul I want you
Speaker 6: to choreograph this video.
Speaker 2: She said no.
Speaker 6: I said, Paula, I believe in you.
Speaker 1: You can do it.
Speaker 6: Don't be afraid. You can do this, And and she did.
Speaker 1: And she that's the first video she choreographed.
Speaker 6: She put it together, yeah, and everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, oh okay. And subsequent well assume that she
Speaker 1: also did the body video as well, because that was well,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a video of a cat of
Speaker 1: the body.
Speaker 2: She didn't. Oh no, Michael Peters did that.
Speaker 5: Oh Michael Peter.
Speaker 1: Uh, the legendary Michael Peters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Peters are bad. I don't care what in
Speaker 2: peace man.
Speaker 5: And I asked for a question, and you guys were
Speaker 5: talking about bands. I just wanted to ask about your
Speaker 5: touring bands because you imagine that like whatever the audition
Speaker 5: process is must be a must be crazy to audition
Speaker 5: for the Jackson's. But I know I was lucky enough,
Speaker 5: like I don't know, seven years ago to be a
Speaker 5: production assistant on a Jackson's tour and you guys have Yeah,
Speaker 5: But I went to London with y'all. I went to
Speaker 5: the the Isle of Wight and I went to a
Speaker 5: I didn't like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: Helping out with Bill Brown and Nick and everybody gap
Speaker 5: helping you in the dressing rooms. Listen. I was on
Speaker 5: a hustle. When you get fire from radio, you gout,
Speaker 5: you know, because I love Bill Brown. I didn't know this, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mentioned because I took a whole stele.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tour with the Jackson's, you know. One time I.
Speaker 5: Worked for the Jackson's and it was just amazing to
Speaker 5: see that, like the band that y'all formed was not
Speaker 5: only just some of them were young, like your music
Speaker 5: director of Brandon at the time, he was like thirty
Speaker 5: early maybe thirty right, but just a dynamic, amazing, stupendous band.
Speaker 5: And you combined it with some ogs. But can you
Speaker 5: just talk about the process now for to put together
Speaker 5: a Jackson band who's playing bass by the way, in
Speaker 5: your current band, Brandon is young. Brandon want to Oscar
Speaker 5: when he was for three six Mafia.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, killing.
Speaker 5: And your drummer and your drummer and your percussionists.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what is the process now? But what's the
Speaker 5: process now? How did you how do you decide who's
Speaker 5: good enough.
Speaker 6: To well, you know, you know, you know, when those
Speaker 6: guys come in, they come in knowing the music.
Speaker 2: They come in playing it because they grew up on it.
Speaker 1: We had years to learn it.
Speaker 6: Yeh yeah, they come in knowing the stuff. You know
Speaker 6: when they started playing. Oh my god, these young cauts,
Speaker 6: how do they know this stuff like this?
Speaker 2: You know, and they grew up playing you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just polish him up a little bit, but they
Speaker 2: pretty much.
Speaker 5: What And another question says, you guys are going to
Speaker 5: steal tour right after COVID because y'all have been touring. Okay,
Speaker 5: so can you tell people your routines? Your dance routine
Speaker 5: seemed the exact same. I mean from the freeze that
Speaker 5: you talked about, like everything y'all do your body's move
Speaker 5: the exact same? Is it the exact same? And how
Speaker 5: do y'all maintain that? Tito gave me some quick like
Speaker 5: this is just what we do answer, But I know
Speaker 5: Marlon and Jacket.
Speaker 6: It is you know, you know, once once we you know,
Speaker 6: we can pay all stage for the longest time, and
Speaker 6: once we get together, somehow it just comes together. It
Speaker 6: comes that way because we've been doing it for so long.
Speaker 6: We just know each other's moves. We know, matter of fact,
Speaker 6: we know where Michael would be on stage. You know,
Speaker 6: any given time, we know exactly where he would be
Speaker 6: on that stage, even today if we go in the States,
Speaker 6: you know, and that's how it works. We just it
Speaker 6: just works that way.
Speaker 5: How do you make sure your bodies are still able
Speaker 5: to keep up with these moves on the daily sometimes?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, when you're on stage if you
Speaker 2: try to if you think of a move and try
Speaker 2: to do it, it doesn't work. That when you just
Speaker 2: gotta feel it and you do it and don't think
Speaker 2: about it. That's that's the bottom of the line. You know.
Speaker 1: Y'all brothers, y'all take vitamins and things.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah we did.
Speaker 6: We stay in shape and plus you know, like our
Speaker 6: show is like a high energy show and it's like
Speaker 6: working out. To me, he could work out because I
Speaker 6: get a break, workout, Aspire a lot but only yes,
Speaker 6: Plus you get a check at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just talk about it.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like going to the gym.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like it's a great workout for we
Speaker 6: love it.
Speaker 2: The main key, the main kids, make sure you get
Speaker 2: your rest. We do not go out and party at clubs.
Speaker 2: We never did day all night.
Speaker 6: We never did.
Speaker 2: We go to bed and get our rest so we
Speaker 2: can be ready to go the next day.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was curious to know too, like y'all's, you know,
Speaker 3: because y'all were raised Jovah's witness, and I was scarious
Speaker 3: to know how your parents at that time, you know,
Speaker 3: when y'all were kids and just throughout your career, how
Speaker 3: much did your faith play in you know, I guess
Speaker 3: developing that discipline that you guys talk about. And how
Speaker 3: did your parents say, Okay, y'all, can you got your career,
Speaker 3: but you also have to I guess worship in whatever way.
Speaker 2: How did y'all start, Well, my mom was different long
Speaker 2: as you had some type of spiritual belief or whatever.
Speaker 2: But they understood that uh dollar bill's got you out
Speaker 2: of Gary.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: But we say, but what I loved about my mam
Speaker 2: is that she didn't try to force the religion.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Jehovah winners because when I got married,
Speaker 2: you know, I I became a Catholic and a Catholic
Speaker 2: church all the time and got my wife. As long
Speaker 2: as you had some type of belief and and and
Speaker 2: God in your life and tried to do the right thing,
Speaker 2: she was comfortable with that. Now my sister, my sister,
Speaker 2: really she's different.
Speaker 5: She's still She.
Speaker 2: Thought and washed towels that you.
Speaker 6: And Michael. And Michael was baptized too. Michael got baptized.
Speaker 6: He was baptized at one time, and he told me
Speaker 6: the story that he was really serious. A Saturday, you
Speaker 6: know how Joe Woodness knocked on the door and talked
Speaker 6: to West towner. So Michael knocked on this girl's door.
Speaker 6: She opened the door and realized it was him, and
Speaker 6: she started peeing. He said, she started peeing, right, she stop,
Speaker 6: you know what to do?
Speaker 10: He told me, he's trying to teach her about Jehovah
Speaker 10: the God, Jehovah God, right, and she's realizing sim.
Speaker 1: But she just stopped.
Speaker 2: This is a true story, Yeah, true story.
Speaker 1: That is our clip for this episode.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see it animated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really serious.
Speaker 6: Bill Brave was waiting for him because Bill Brave, you know,
Speaker 6: he would go waiting at times, you know, standing standing
Speaker 6: over the corner and wait for him, you know, and
Speaker 6: and uh, he would go out and people. It was
Speaker 6: kind of hard for him to do that at the time,
Speaker 6: but he did it, you know, and so and so
Speaker 6: some of the things he really wanted to do, he
Speaker 6: had to get out of the faith, you know, he
Speaker 6: had to get out of your witness due to really
Speaker 6: do his thing where he really wanted to go. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never going to get that visual up. Oh
Speaker 1: thank you, Jackie. I appreciate that. I can ask questions forever.
Speaker 1: Have you guys have done your questions?
Speaker 5: As I got one family question. I want to know
Speaker 5: throughout your lives and actually now post Roona, how you
Speaker 5: guys maintained speaking to each other. How you guys maintain
Speaker 5: because it's eight it's eight of y'all Jackson family.
Speaker 6: Right, we do this sometimes like we're doing right now.
Speaker 6: And sometimes Tito would come in my house. I'll be
Speaker 6: Tito at a park, you know, we meet you know,
Speaker 6: his wife and my wife we meet with the kids
Speaker 6: and at a park, you know, we do that sometimes.
Speaker 6: And because it's it's really serious out there, you know,
Speaker 6: with this coronavirus, and you gotta be real, real careful,
Speaker 6: especially in California this way. Yes, it's tough. You gotta,
Speaker 6: I mean, you have to mess up, keep your hands clean.
Speaker 6: And that's what we do so far. So far, I'm good.
Speaker 6: How is Rebe?
Speaker 2: Reebe's doing well. She lives with my mom. She stayed
Speaker 2: with my mom.
Speaker 6: Wants my mom, my mam and Rebe together and I
Speaker 6: love it. They're decorating the house right now, doing it
Speaker 6: all over again. And that's what my mom is doing.
Speaker 6: She's so alert. You're talking to my mom. You think
Speaker 6: she's around forty years old?
Speaker 1: Yo, your mom?
Speaker 5: How old is she now, Jackie?
Speaker 4: She'll be ninety one May fourth, ninety Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: She's ninety now. She'd be ninety one. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 6: She's doing.
Speaker 1: But that's amazing.
Speaker 6: I'm happy when she wake up every morning, you know,
Speaker 6: happy to see her.
Speaker 1: My last question was I know that you guys often
Speaker 1: talk about like you guys try to get together as
Speaker 1: a family and all that, but with the kids until
Speaker 1: how how hard is it to organize Jackson family reunions.
Speaker 6: Right now?
Speaker 1: Does that still happen? Not right now?
Speaker 6: It's very difficult to do that.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 6: Right now is very before we do it all the time.
Speaker 5: Like three hundred Jackson Street, the video that was like
Speaker 5: real life.
Speaker 1: Yes, to be the person that cooks that food.
Speaker 5: Okay, they got somebody for.
Speaker 1: No, you know what I met your I met the
Speaker 1: I met your dessert maker, the woman that makes all
Speaker 1: the cakes and I forget her.
Speaker 2: Name he's talking about.
Speaker 1: He's talking about she makes this German chocolate cake that's.
Speaker 4: Out of Come on, you know, Cordia.
Speaker 1: Cordia, Cordia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cordia. Not only what she does for Will Smith too.
Speaker 1: No, she does for everybody, Like, uh, she came to
Speaker 1: a Janet show and she snuck I think at the time,
Speaker 1: Jan's like, I'm not to have this, and she snuck
Speaker 1: her like a Kate Cooch real coverd it'stle like back
Speaker 1: Alley Deals sort of thing. And then she introduced herself
Speaker 1: to me and I was like, oh, you've been making
Speaker 1: cakes with the Jackson's how long? And then she med, well,
Speaker 1: now she's official man's.
Speaker 6: She's great, amazing, amazing, But question quest, can I say something? Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'd like to thank you man, You've been so supportive
Speaker 6: in my family. We would go to we would go
Speaker 6: to uh fight Star hotels. Right, we walk into hotels
Speaker 6: and on the coffee table be this big coffee book, right.
Speaker 2: And I open it up. It's you and there you
Speaker 2: in the book. Really a lot of hotels.
Speaker 6: You were inside the book and you're staying there with
Speaker 6: all Jackson Para familiar all all over the place where
Speaker 6: the Jackson's albums.
Speaker 2: And I would see this and that's.
Speaker 6: How I learned that you were you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Said, thank this guy. You know, the biggest the biggest
Speaker 2: picture I saw was in Heartbreak Hotel.
Speaker 1: Not just kidding.
Speaker 2: I see yo for real in London. Everywhere we go,
Speaker 2: we see you in these books.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: On the coffee table, there's London hotels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must get around everywhere.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: You guys, you guys, are you know our first superheroes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm royal to man like literally, y'all. Music has
Speaker 3: been a part of my life. I'm for to Your
Speaker 3: music has been You've been Your music has been a
Speaker 3: part of my life, like my whole life, Like I
Speaker 3: don't ever remember point of my life not knowing a
Speaker 3: Jackson song or hearing the music in my house or
Speaker 3: my mother playing or whatever.
Speaker 1: And no, man, I just give y'all brother's flowers. Love
Speaker 1: y'all flowers flowers right now, give it.
Speaker 5: And I remind people again when we go outside, go
Speaker 5: see the Jackson's live it is just like it was ten, fifteen,
Speaker 5: twenty thirty four. It's a it's all the same, yes,
Speaker 5: just the.
Speaker 1: Same as gentlemen, Thank you very much for this podcast.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate, Tito. Can I ask one final question?
Speaker 1: Mark hell, I forget it came out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: Just you don't often get a chance to ask motown
Speaker 8: legends who their favorite Motown legends are. So I'm just
Speaker 8: wondering who, like, as on a personal level, who your
Speaker 8: favorite Motown artist or band was, if you could just
Speaker 8: pick one, well project besides the J five'll.
Speaker 6: Be Barbie Gay, yeah, Marmon Tito. For me, it's like
Speaker 6: the Temptations. They they're the ones who really we watched
Speaker 6: a lot of Temptations it was and Dinah Ross I
Speaker 6: hate said, I got I got to bring her up.
Speaker 2: I have to and the Pips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, squad. Actually, wait, everybody wait. Steve
Speaker 1: actually brought up something that we normally asked and I
Speaker 1: didn't ask Stevie. Oh, I'm sorry, Okay, I'm sorry, of course,
Speaker 1: cousin Stevie, Marvi gab my thing. I was going to say, uh, well,
Speaker 1: normally Steve asked this question. But when you guys were
Speaker 1: in that in Senio house, what was the record collection?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Oh, and where is it now?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How big was the record collection? And who decided what
Speaker 1: got played?
Speaker 2: We will had our own record collection, I believe. I
Speaker 2: mean I listened. I mean I got a lot of
Speaker 2: Quincy Jones albums. I had Marvin Gaye's Distant Lovers album.
Speaker 2: I had Backstabbers, Hell Mervyn and the Blue Notes. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: deliver tracks, Science still delivered. We you know, have the
Speaker 2: stuff on cassettes. Y'all forgot about cassettes, you know, so
Speaker 2: we you know, Jackie, Jackie, it's a blessing to see
Speaker 2: these numbers. I know a lot of jumpers don't get
Speaker 2: to see these numbers. But you know, we listened. We
Speaker 2: listened to all kinds of music, I mean country, Western music. Uh,
Speaker 2: did all kinds of it all because great music is
Speaker 2: great music. I don't care what genre is is you
Speaker 2: know great music, it's just great music, you know.
Speaker 1: Amen? Okay, Well, and.
Speaker 2: Having said that, I'm Mana Jackson you on the Quest
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