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Speaker 2: to another episode of Quest of Supreme.

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Speaker 1: I'm your hosts Questlove.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We have Teams Supreme with us. We have unpaid Bill. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there you are. How you doing, Sugar Steven?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you know, I'm watching trying to watch.

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Speaker 7: My figures all day. I said to let you know

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Speaker 7: I could give it up. It was in the I

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Speaker 1: I been waiting on this in all day broke. Finally

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Speaker 2: The the first lady of the show her. How are

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Speaker 2: you right now?

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Speaker 4: You feel?

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Speaker 4: Can feel it?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen, I will just say that we're

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Speaker 2: given the honor right now of having a conversation with

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Speaker 2: an American I guess I can say an American institution, Yes,

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Speaker 2: an American dynasty. For over damn near six decades, our

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Speaker 2: guests have blazed a trail of hit records, have sold

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Speaker 2: out concerts of Disney and choreography of ground baking videos.

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Speaker 1: Basically, I'll be pressed to.

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Speaker 2: Find one human being on earth who's not, in one way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form, been affected by their legacy. And it's

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Speaker 2: apropos that they're on the show now, their entire sony

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Speaker 2: catalog has just caught up with their motown catalog, and

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Speaker 2: that they're self titled seventy six album seventy seven is

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Speaker 2: going place and Destiny from seventy eight have finally, after

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Speaker 2: all these decades, gotten the remastered treatment finally on streaming platforms,

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Speaker 2: and you know, basically words I'd never thought i'd say

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Speaker 2: in this lifetime. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest

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Speaker 2: Left Supreme the Jacksons.

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Speaker 1: Yes question, Well, thanks, all right.

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Speaker 2: So you know slight disclosure, were cheated already by talking

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Speaker 2: to Tito.

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Speaker 1: Actually, what our second episode? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Since since we've been the iHeart right our second episode,

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Speaker 2: so this might be rerun city, but I you know,

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Speaker 2: figure i'd figure out creative ways to ask these questions.

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Speaker 2: I guess my first question off the bat is if

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Speaker 2: one says twenty three hundred Jackson Street, what is your

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Speaker 2: first immediate memory that comes to mind automatically?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm gonna this is morning, so I'm gonna jump

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Speaker 9: in first. Since I'm the youngest out of the out

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Speaker 9: of the three here, it should be this should be

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Speaker 9: the last one, No, brother, not in these days? Yes, Uh,

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Speaker 9: that house on twenty three hundred Jackson Street. That our

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Speaker 9: house in Gary, Indiana. The first thing that pops in

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Speaker 9: mind to me that that huge house when I was young,

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Speaker 9: that we all grew.

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Speaker 10: Up in and we all practice.

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Speaker 9: That's where we got our start from, from that house

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Speaker 9: on the corner of twenty three hundred Jackson Street.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying that as a young as a youngster,

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Speaker 10: No, that was a mansion when we were young.

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Speaker 9: Wow, Yes, it sure was. We did everything in that house,

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Speaker 10: Rehearse us in the living room.

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Speaker 9: It was only a two bedroom house with eleven people,

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Speaker 4: Marlin's garage is bigger than that house.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Jackie, what do you what are your memories

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Speaker 11: Well, like Marlon said, you know, it's a place where

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Speaker 11: of fun memories there. Loving parents and we love each other.

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Speaker 11: We were bonded together. We had a two bedroom house

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Speaker 11: and uh and I remember, you know in our bedroom

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Speaker 10: Like the three stooges.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and my sisters, my sisters, they all

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Speaker 11: And there was a lot of small concerts in that

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Speaker 1: It was just an open door policy, like one could

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Speaker 1: come to the window, not walk inside the house.

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Speaker 9: And no, no, you can walk inside the route.

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Speaker 10: They will fight to get the best position.

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Speaker 9: In the window to look we were doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah usually and they're watching these rehearsals. Then how how

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Speaker 2: long would these rehearsals last?

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Speaker 12: At it, you know, Okay, because most of the time

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Speaker 12: we had rehearsals prior to doing the gig, because we

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Speaker 9: Which I did not mind because when we were when

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Speaker 9: and so Michael and I, you know, we're doing splits

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Speaker 9: So when I lent to school, we used to stop

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Speaker 1: In the second grade. Okay, had a dollar. I wanted

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Speaker 9: Penny, Tino, you got five for a penny back in

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know that you guys were an official five

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Speaker 2: some uh what sixty five? But back when the group

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Speaker 2: was just a trio, back when it's just Jackie, Tito

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Speaker 2: and Jermaine and what was the what was the arrangement

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Speaker 12: Like well, we were just basically a bedroom group. We

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Speaker 12: We were just three brothers trying to be the brothers Temptations,

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Speaker 12: trying to figure it out, trying to figure it out,

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Speaker 12: trying trying to figure it out. How did temptation sound

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Speaker 12: like this or the Miracles or whoever. We were just

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Speaker 2: But in a trio situation, who was the lead person?

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Speaker 2: Who was the in that particular situation.

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Speaker 11: At that time, Jermaine was singing a lot of leads. First,

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Speaker 11: we were all singing at that time too. But uh,

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Speaker 11: later on then Michael and Marlin joined and Michael came

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Speaker 11: in playing you know the Quaker oat mill boxes.

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Speaker 13: Oh wow, he called to playing.

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Speaker 11: The bungos on that Michael did, and uh he has

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Speaker 11: some with him and Marland had so much dancing ability

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Speaker 4: So we decided, hey man, we got to put them

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So.

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Speaker 11: That's how that started, you know, And so we shot

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Speaker 11: them in the group, and then we started doing all

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Speaker 11: these talent shows, you know, all these talent shows. In

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Speaker 11: talent shows going on. We would join these talent shows

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Speaker 11: rehearsing for the talent shows, and we would win these

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Speaker 11: talent shows all all over the regional part of the state,

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Speaker 11: And on these shows there was Denise Williams when the

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Speaker 2: You know, I was going to say, yeah, one one

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Speaker 2: of the Hutchinson of the Emotions. Yeah, and Sheila I

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Speaker 2: believe as well, told us that they would often run

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we did.

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Speaker 9: We did what they called the chilling circuit. And actually

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Speaker 9: not only them, the O Jay's, it was the Shylights

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Speaker 9: we used to do a place in Chicago called the

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Speaker 9: High Chaparral and Maurice White was with another band and

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Speaker 9: they would play.

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Speaker 4: It was the drummer was the drummer Simmons was the

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Speaker 14: It was Yes then Simmons.

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Speaker 9: And when we did do those places one time I

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Speaker 9: remember so well, pig Meat Markham was the main act

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Speaker 9: and they would have us on the judge yeah. And

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Speaker 9: when we did the the Apollo, you know amateur stuff

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Speaker 9: you had Moms Maybley or Edda James where the acts

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Speaker 9: that came in or Simon Dave were the headliners and

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Speaker 9: came on Amateur Night and did our thing and people

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Speaker 9: enjoyed us.

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Speaker 4: How many shows we used to do?

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Speaker 9: What seven shows a night or something like seven shows

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Speaker 9: a day?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, day?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: So you would do Amateur Night each time around or

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Speaker 2: was it at some point where you guys were sort

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Speaker 2: of out of Amateur Night and just a featured act.

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Speaker 4: Where's Amateur Knight it was?

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Speaker 9: And then we then we would do the talent shows

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Speaker 9: and the Five stair Steps.

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Speaker 9: We had a rivalry I guess between us and the

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Speaker 9: Five Stairsteps.

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Speaker 4: And Michael would cry.

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Speaker 11: Michael would cry his butt off because you know, sometime

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Speaker 11: before that came on before us, you know, the crowd

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Speaker 11: started throwing eggs at him and stuff. I think they

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Speaker 11: were there, and Michael would cry, if you forget, they're

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Speaker 11: gonna do the same thing to him. So we would

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Speaker 11: try to comments and Mike, just do your thing, Everything's

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 11: He would cry like a baby because he didn't want

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Speaker 14: It was more so as Paula.

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Speaker 12: But they'll believe if you're not good Regal Theater or

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Speaker 14: But but people don't play.

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Speaker 2: Wait, yes, Tito, the world kind of knows the story

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Speaker 2: Okay, So before you guys went to Motown, you were

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Speaker 9: Well, Still Town was just a local record company and

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Speaker 9: Guess we were so young we didn't know we didn't

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Speaker 12: My father is basically who took us and was controlled

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Speaker 10: One take and that was it.

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Speaker 9: The budget wasn't big, it was nothing. You know. We

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Speaker 14: In and out, yeah, in and out.

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Speaker 5: Like you said, you were so young, Like, how did

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Speaker 14: When they say keepers of the dream, we really had dreams.

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Speaker 12: We all wanted to be like Jackie Wilson and James

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Speaker 14: We wanted to be entertain the stars.

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Speaker 16: We wanted to go to Holly, California or wherever the

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Speaker 14: We had a lot of fun along the journey.

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Speaker 12: But we never realized what the mark was making in

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Speaker 10: Don't don't get us wrong.

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Speaker 9: There were times that we didn't want to rehearse, trust me,

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Speaker 9: we'd rather be outside playing. And the kids used to

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Speaker 9: But my father, you know, made sure that we rehearsed

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Speaker 4: You watch the Three Stoodents, that's what.

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Speaker 9: Oh, yeah, we watched them dog three Stoodents?

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Speaker 10: Yes, we did.

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Speaker 11: We played a lot of basketball baseball because the baseball

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Speaker 10: Cricket, cricket in the alley, Yes, cricket.

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Speaker 9: And if you stick it up and they knock down

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's not a sport, yea, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what.

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Speaker 2: Well, when we saw that on uh the American Dream. Uh,

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Speaker 13: Or keep us occupied, keep us, keep us from the

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Speaker 10: Okay.

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Speaker 4: And it took all day, It took.

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Speaker 10: All took all days. It takes no hour. It took

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Speaker 9: And Michael and I couldn't pick up one, so the

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Speaker 9: When I get home from work, I want to see

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So explain to me the environment that was Gary,

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Speaker 1: What is that? What is outside of twenty three hundred

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Speaker 9: Well, there were gangs then, lurking to recruit new young members.

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Speaker 12: No, No, there was a lot of games around carry

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Speaker 12: Garbage canned fire going and join the smoke keep it.

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Speaker 14: And all of a sudden you started hear.

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Speaker 11: Right, but the gates, but the games never didn't mess

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Speaker 9: Yeah you guys, yeah, making some positive noise. I guess

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Speaker 15: Okay, all right, were you guys first generation Gary, Indiana?

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Speaker 12: No, no, no, my parents aren't from there, but they

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, so where were your parents from? I'm just curious.

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Speaker 9: I never my.

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Speaker 12: Mother's from from Arkansas, and now my father's from Arkansas.

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Speaker 14: My mother's from Alabama.

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Speaker 10: What city she's Abama?

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Speaker 10: You know, I think I don't. I think it's Herbsborough.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, the Columbus.

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Speaker 8: Either way, her childhood was but so sweet my.

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Speaker 14: Father from Little Ross.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: What happened was with that, you know at that time,

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Speaker 11: And uh, we was harmonized with her singing with her,

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Speaker 11: So he is so see. You know, we sung for

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Speaker 2: So when you guys were kids, was he gigging at

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Speaker 4: A little local band called the Falcons.

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Speaker 11: He had a band himself, and if they would come

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Speaker 4: And they would play at the house.

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Speaker 11: It was great watching him play and that's how we

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Speaker 9: Yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 2: So Marlin, I know that you brought it up earlier,

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Speaker 2: But what Yeah, what was Mister Lucky's a strip club

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Speaker 10: No, it wasn't a strip club.

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Speaker 9: It was a little nightclub that was Jeroniana.

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Speaker 10: And they paid us.

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00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 9: We got paid eight dollars for our first show and

453
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 9: Mister Lucky's. That was the first gig that we got paid,

454
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 9: and we were so happy about it. I mean, but

455
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 9: eight dollars back in those days take you a long way.

456
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 11: And those were the shows that Michael and Marla would

457
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 11: they would throw money on the floor and they would

458
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 11: do the splits and grab the money, and and Marlin

459
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 11: and Tito and I and Jermaine would be because they're

460
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 11: getting all the money.

461
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 4: We weren't getting one there.

462
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know we've we've heard different accounts, but

463
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: I never heard it from you guys verbatim. I mean,

464
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: I've talked to Gladys Knight and she told me she

465
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: was the one. And then Tommy Chug of Cheaching says

466
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: that you know Bobby, Bobby and the Vancouver's. I didn't

467
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: know that he wrote because you guys did a cover

468
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: of it. I didn't know that he wrote does your

469
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: does your mama know about it? I didn't know that

470
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: damn Cheaching Chong like or Tommy Shung motown legends. So

471
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: what is what is the real story? I know I

472
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: know the angle, but who literally made it happen? Yes,

473
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna introduce you to this person that leads a barrier.

474
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 11: I'm gonna set the record straight. I'm gonna set the record. Well, well, well,

475
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 11: we played a concert in Gary, Indiana and uh for

476
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 11: our Mayor Richard Gordon Hatchard, who's no longer with us,

477
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 11: he's at the time, and so he was campaigning at

478
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 11: the time. Some Gladys Knight was his his guest there,

479
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 11: you know, and we happen to play the same show.

480
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 11: So she happened she saw us on the concert and

481
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 11: she went back to Barry Gordon, to Barry Gordon, there's

482
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 11: some guys in Indiana. That's that's incredible. You've got to

483
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 11: sign these kids. It was glad who discovered us first,

484
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 11: and Bobby Taylor did this show the then next year

485
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 11: he saw us to say well, he went back to

486
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 11: Barry Gordy said the same exact thing with both of

487
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 11: those people. But Dinad Ross was his biggest artist, the

488
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 11: one who brought us out because it was his biggest suck.

489
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: And its us to the world marketing presenting.

490
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: It was Gladys Knight and Barbetary was the ones who

491
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 4: discovered us.

492
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: That's true, all right, well, true story, they're true. Moving

493
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: moving to Los Angeles from Gary, Indiana. How how much

494
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: of a fish out of water situation was that for

495
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: you guys? As far as uh watching what the world

496
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: that you see on television, which is.

497
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 11: Hot because I used to watch all the football games,

498
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 11: and all the football games.

499
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: We got Chicago.

500
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 11: Bears, we got Cleveland Browns and snowing outside freeze, and

501
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 11: then they were shown in an afternoon game they would

502
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 11: show San Diego Chargers.

503
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: All's rams. Right, So I'm watching TV.

504
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 11: I'm in the snow, freezing my butt off, and I'm

505
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 11: watching TV seeing all these people.

506
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: They show the palm trees and show the people in.

507
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 11: The stands having a great time. I said, that's where

508
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 11: I want to go. I want to go to Los Angeles.

509
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 11: I don't know how I'm going to get there, but

510
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 11: that's where I'm going to go. That's where I want

511
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 11: to live. That's what I said to myself. I don't

512
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 11: know how, Yeah, I don't know how I was.

513
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: Going to get there.

514
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 11: And some kind of way, we were signed with Motown

515
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 11: and Arry going to decide it to move his office

516
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 11: over to Los Angeles because he wants to get into

517
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 11: the film business.

518
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: Right, you know.

519
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: So he moved his whole entire office from Detroit.

520
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 11: He still had office, he still had office in Detroit,

521
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 11: but then moved his operation to Los Angeles, California, and

522
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 11: he brought us over there with him.

523
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: Was there ever talk of you guys moving to Detroit? First?

524
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 11: To be matter of fact, we did go to Detroit.

525
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 11: It was in Detroit recording our music first and then

526
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 11: we went on to we was how long were we

527
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 11: in Detroit?

528
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: About a year? Two years guys recording, about a year.

529
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 9: We signed with We signed with Motown in nineteen sixty eight.

530
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 4: But we told everybody, and people didn't believe it was

531
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: because we didn't have.

532
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 9: Any music out. It took over a year before we

533
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 9: even got in the studio.

534
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, longer than that moment.

535
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Okay. So some of that first album was recorded at

536
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the Hitsfield studio.

537
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 12: And yeah, yes, a lot of it, Yeah, a lot

538
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 12: of it.

539
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: The Tempts and all of them would come around.

540
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 11: We would see all those casts, all those people would

541
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 11: come around and give us all kinds of support, and

542
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 11: they was saying hello to us. And Jermaine was trying

543
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 11: to hit on Barry Gordy's door at the time.

544
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: Jamames, you succeeded.

545
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 7: Yes, one question I had if I'm Jackie, you're the oldest,

546
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 7: you may have the best memory of it. I was

547
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 7: always curious to know about the corporation, Freddy Parry and

548
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 7: Larry Mizell. Do you have any riches of working with

549
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 7: those guys Deep Richards, Yeah, yeah.

550
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 14: H.

551
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, they had just got out of they had just

552
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 11: got up college from Howard the University.

553
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: Dis graduate from Howard University. And they were incredible.

554
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 11: There were incredible musician songwriters, and Barry Gordy put them

555
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 11: with us and we used to.

556
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 9: Laugh at Freddy Perrin and Finds Myself because they were

557
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 9: We would go into the studio, we see them and

558
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 9: they're on a little mope head scooter, two of them, right, yeah.

559
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 17: You know, yeah yeah, And we passed them up on

560
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 17: the street and they were coming to the studio.

561
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 10: But they had to hit.

562
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: A lot of our especially from a hip hop perspective.

563
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think a lot of people, uh

564
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: are contemporaries even equate that, you know, the Mazel Brothers,

565
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: their their seventies cats and all the stuff that they

566
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: did on Blue Note Records, you know, with Donald Bird

567
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: and even the stuff they did with like a Taste

568
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: of Honey and all that stuff. Like, I don't think

569
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: they even equate that these are the same guys that

570
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: also wrote I Will You, I Want You Back in

571
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: all those things, I.

572
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: Love You and all that. Oh yeah, they were incredible.

573
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: And they don't even know that their nephew was jam

574
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: Master j from run DMC. They never put two and

575
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: two together with that, but yeah, so yeah, I was

576
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: gonna say, when you first get to Motown, what is

577
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: what is the basic uh work operation? As far as

578
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: you guys learning songs?

579
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 9: Because well, let me be let me let me bag

580
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 9: it up for you. I think you find it's interesting.

581
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 10: From from from Gary, Indiana, mm hmm.

582
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 9: We went to Detroit to audition for Barry Cordy, right,

583
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 9: and so we did a lot of Motown songs. And

584
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 9: so Barry had this huge house, had a golf course

585
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 9: in the backyard and the back nine head indoor swimming pool.

586
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 9: You go down downstairs for the ay, all the gangs,

587
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 9: and so we get indo, Michael and I playing in

588
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 9: the pool in the great time. Jackie walking around biting

589
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 9: his nails.

590
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 10: Damn near ate up his.

591
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 9: Fingers because he was so nervous, and he used to

592
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 9: get after Michael and I.

593
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 10: This is serious, guy, this is our chance.

594
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 9: You'll fooling around playing with all the games and stuff.

595
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 10: Get serious.

596
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 9: I mean we were kids, and all of a sudden

597
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 9: we get ready to do our show.

598
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 11: Well, no, all of us were back. All of our

599
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 11: equipment was set up around the pool.

600
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 12: Jackie, let me back up because Martins we had already

601
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 12: auditioned from Hotown the day before. Very decided, yeah, I

602
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 12: want to sign these kids. So he acts. He said,

603
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 12: tomorrow's Dining Ross's birthday. I'm having a party for her

604
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 12: at my house, and.

605
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 14: I want you guys to perform.

606
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 10: And so we round the at this party.

607
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 14: Tell him who was at the party.

608
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 9: Man, We round the pool waiting, and we do a

609
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 9: lot of more times, and all of a sudden, I

610
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 9: see Marvin Gate come through the h the Temps, the

611
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 9: Temps walk through the door, then down Stevie Wonder.

612
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 10: Smokey Robinson, the four Times come through the door.

613
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 11: And also we've got to sing their songs. That's all

614
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 11: the songs we knew, that's all the big hits on

615
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 11: the radio. We didn't have any new original material. Were

616
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 11: singing all these Motown songs in front of the right.

617
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 10: Navid Roughing come in.

618
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: Wow, you know this is the first time you made it.

619
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 9: No, yeah, it's the first time. We mean yeah, first time,

620
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 9: and this is their first time seeing us and we're

621
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 9: doing their stuff.

622
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I assume that the show went well because you're here

623
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: right now talking about it.

624
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 6: Yes, try out by fire.

625
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: How much shit older were guys like Marvin Gay and

626
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: Smoky than you at that time?

627
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 14: All they had about fifteen, ten and fifteen years?

628
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 13: Yes?

629
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: Should should they? Stevie was kind of appear right, kind of.

630
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, well yeah, I think Jackie, you were like fifteen

631
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 9: or sixteen at the time.

632
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: I heard your sister mentioned that Stevie actually might be

633
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: related to you guys. Is that true?

634
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 9: Rue, he's on my mom's side of Yes.

635
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: When did y'all find this out?

636
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that my first cousin.

637
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 9: Second, you got to ask my mom. But all this

638
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 9: is to me, this is funny because we were we

639
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 9: were somewhere and Stevie tells them, uh, and I was

640
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 9: talking with Stevie this is at my at my father's funeral.

641
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 9: And then then all the way he told me, he said, Amelia,

642
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 9: give them all on my numbers since we because.

643
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Does he call in the morning as well? He's famous?

644
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, we we You know, I've been We've been blessed.

645
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 9: We had some great times. You know, it's what you

646
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 9: do with that time and how you treat it. And

647
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 9: we've had some great times.

648
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm sorry. I got to follow up on this,

649
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 5: So did you and Stevie? Did you guys and Stevie

650
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 5: wanted to know you were cousins back then? Or did

651
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: this come up recently?

652
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 9: No, we did not know. Matter of fact, Stevie did

653
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 9: a couple of songs on us during the Motown days

654
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 9: and and uh, we didn't know that we were cousins.

655
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 9: And those songs that Stevie did on us, they were

656
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 9: never released, you know. And I think Butterfly, no butter

657
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 9: Cup have but not that you have, not nothing, nothing song.

658
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: That's one question is talking.

659
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: About, well, you're supposed to keep your love for me

660
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: from the original? Was there any other besides butter Club?

661
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 9: Of course, Buttercup, you're supposed to keep your love for me.

662
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 9: I think there was one or two more others. I forgot. Man,

663
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 9: we did so many songs. Motown got so many songs

664
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 9: that we we can when I hear so we did

665
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 9: that right, we lived in the studio.

666
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: That's what I want to get to you, guys. I've

667
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: seen at least the the Motown faults. I've seen them

668
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: and seen the catalogs, and to me, it's staggering.

669
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: How big is it?

670
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 8: A mirrorkell?

671
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: People? Please?

672
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 8: You know we want to be.

673
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it was over two hundred songs,

674
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: but the thing is like they're two hundred completed songs

675
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: and half the stuff didn't see the light of day.

676
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: So like, what is can you walk me through how

677
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: you guys get like do you have like mere seconds

678
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: to learn it? Do you at least get a work

679
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: tape the night before to figure out your arrangements?

680
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 4: We walked through to we go in the studio.

681
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 13: They put the off to school after school, Jackie we

682
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 13: go after school.

683
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 11: There's the studio recording studio right and the recording studio

684
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 11: was right around the corner right on Fair Facts, and

685
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 11: half the kids at the school never knew that we

686
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 11: were going to the recording studio recording I Want You

687
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 11: Back ABC. They've been know that not even a block away.

688
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 11: We recording to him record these songs. And they put

689
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 11: up the track and we learned it and singing and

690
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 11: all that. We pretty much do a song today. But

691
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 11: we came back to finish it the next day. The

692
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 11: really really completed finish it the next day. It took

693
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 11: us a day and a half to finish the whole song.

694
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 9: That's because we had and the reason being is that

695
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 9: we were youngsters, and we had a social worker that

696
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 9: came with us, so she made sure that they didn't

697
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 9: work us over three hours, so they only we only

698
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 9: had three hours to you.

699
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Yes, you did all that work in the three hours.

700
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

701
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of songs.

702
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 11: And Michael was going there and Michael would ad lib

703
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 11: and do his own ad libs, and he made all

704
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 11: that stuff at all this at the end of that's him.

705
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: They didn't tell him that he made up all that stuff.

706
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeh, wow, that's exhausting.

707
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 9: So yeah, So and that was every That was almost

708
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 9: every day.

709
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 14: Yeah, in the weekends, even the weekends. Weekends were longer.

710
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 11: So the next day we come back to school on Monday,

712
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 11: and we're on the Ed Sullivant Show and all we

713
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 11: come back to school and all the kids noticed that,

714
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 11: Wait a minute, these after Jackson's they noticed us being

715
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 11: on the Ed Sullivant Show. We go back to school

716
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 11: the next day, I'm in the classroom and all of

717
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 11: a sudden, I'm in the classroom sitting in the classroom

718
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 11: and all these kids from all the other schools come

719
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 11: to come to Fairfax High School from all the other

720
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 11: kids come over and just screaming at to do the

721
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 11: screen like pandemonium, and the kids wondered, what's going on?

722
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 11: Why they screaming or they saw me in the classroom

723
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 11: and they start screaming like crazy.

724
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 4: They didn't know we were the Jackson They didn't.

725
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 9: Now, let me tell you something. This is my first

726
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 9: time hearing Jackie's story about that, and I have to say,

727
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 9: Michael and I we were going to Emerson Junior High

728
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 9: School and we were the same. Thing happened to us

729
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 9: to the point that kids just started going crazy and

730
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 9: they had to pull us out of school because we

731
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 9: were disrupting class the whole school, and they put us

732
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 9: in private school.

733
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: So you went to a regular school first, Yeah, we

734
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: went to regularly. No other contemporaries of yours were in

735
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: like Fairfax Hide, none of these Thames.

736
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 9: No we went I went to when I when we

737
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 9: got here, nobody knew who the Jackson five were. So

738
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 9: I went to Bancroft Junior High. Michael went to Gardenet,

739
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 9: I mean my Gardener Gardener Elementary School, then the Falling Street.

740
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 9: Michael and I went went over to Emerson Junior High.

741
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 9: We only was able to go for two weeks because

742
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 9: we were disrupting the classes and the kids were going crazy.

743
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: Wow, So you didn't get uh so, what's the like

744
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: in private school? Is it more different because all of

745
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: you are industry kids or we were.

746
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 9: Going to school with with some of the main celebrity here.

747
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 9: They would go to the same school with us, and

748
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 9: even well, this is a funny story, Joe McClean to.

749
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 9: If you know who John McClean is.

750
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: Wait, this is what you're gonna get the most elusive

751
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: we've been dying to get it on the show.

752
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 9: It's oh so John, So John to tell history. He

753
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 9: said his mom brought him.

754
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 10: To this private school and he said, Mom, I don't

755
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 10: go here.

756
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 9: I don't want to go I don't want to go here.

757
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 9: And John said, all of a sudden, he's he loves

758
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 9: Tito Walking across, he said, Tito Jackson, Hey, mom, I'm fine.

759
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 8: I tell y'all popularity. Did everybody have to go to

760
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 8: the special school?

761
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 15: Now?

762
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 8: Like the girls too? And I don't know Randy was

763
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 8: here by now everybody just have to.

764
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 9: Eventually they did, Yes, yes they did eventually. Yeah, but

765
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 9: you know it's it's that's what took place, That's what

766
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 9: happened with us.

767
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: It's you know, I know that your parents' concerns over

768
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: gang culture in Indiana was one thing, but most of

769
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: us that don't live in Los Angeles, most of us,

770
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: especially when you're thinking of like for young black people,

771
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: like gang culture was a part of life, Like, how

772
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: is that avoided?

773
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 9: Well, my father made sure, I mean he laid down

774
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 9: the law. M hm, that's it. We had to be

775
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 9: inside before the street lights came on to Yeah, that's

776
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 9: what it's supposed to.

777
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: That's how I came up to.

778
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 9: Same thing set you better not get caught up, would

779
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 9: do street lights on?

780
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: So okay, was it still okay? What was what was

781
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: the chores situation at the house like was that yeah,

782
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean I'm certain that you sure had to.

783
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, we had to.

784
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 10: We had chores. We had chores.

785
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 9: We had to wash the dishes. Even even after we

786
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 9: made it with the Jackson five and came out, we

787
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 9: still had chores.

788
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 8: Well, y'all still lived in the house together, right, So yeah.

789
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 9: So yeah, it was I think Michael and I week

790
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 9: to do the dishes, and Jackie and somebody else had

791
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 9: a week. Yeah, somebody you know had a week.

792
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was in the house yeah, we had chores.

793
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 6: Is the family resident still Uh? Is that still where

794
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 6: your mother is?

795
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 11: Yeah?

796
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 10: But if we were on Queen's Road, Yeah, we were

797
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 10: on Queen's Yeah.

798
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 9: And we first got here, we were on Queen's Road. Well,

799
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 9: we first stayed at the Tropic Camp in a motel

800
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 9: a while on Santa Monic because that on Santa Monica,

801
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 9: Little Santa Monica or something like that.

802
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 11: And when I got there, the first time I got

803
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 11: the cat of Los Santles, I couldn't believe how people

804
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 11: were living.

805
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: Almost cried, I said, even living like this all all

806
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 4: my life, living this good life like this and driving

807
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: ferrari and rolle voyages down the street.

808
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 13: I mean it was just amazing. I mean people living

809
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 13: in the hills and the palm trees and you know

810
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 13: what I'm saying, and I'm guarante Ana freezing on my

811
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 13: butt off, and these people living like this.

812
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 9: We lived that. We lived in the Tropicana for a while,

813
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 9: and then, uh believe, before we went to Queen's Road,

814
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 9: we lived with Donna Ross. Yeah, yes, and she she

815
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 9: had she had a house with white carpet everywhere and

816
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 9: white walls, and I think some of the furniture was white,

817
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 9: and she.

818
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 11: She told the house with us, we all too that

819
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 11: paint on the walls and paint the walls like she

820
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 11: was like, yeah, yeah, we had fun.

821
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, they also had a.

822
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: Lot of money, but you a lot.

823
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 10: Of money.

824
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 9: Like that.

825
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was for the other side of the story.

826
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 11: Mary Wilson would come over to the house. It was

827
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 11: so kind of so it's amazing. Mary would come over,

828
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 11: you know.

829
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 10: For how's my babies.

830
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 9: So we you know, we were young kids, but we

831
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 9: had fun and they made sure that we had fun too.

832
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, they used to pick us up

833
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 9: and take us to the movie sometime down matter of fact,

834
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 9: down Ross pick Michael and I when she first had

835
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 9: her first baby, and this is where she lived on

836
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 9: Maple and Beverly Hills, and.

837
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 10: We all went upstairs.

838
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 9: We were all went upstairs and she wanted us to

839
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 9: paint some drapes because she was having a baby at

840
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 9: first kid. So we painted the drapes and do figures

841
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 9: on it for the kid. And we had a great time,

842
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 9: you know, I mean.

843
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: Really yeah, Well, I want to know from Tito and

844
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: Jackie because you two are older. I guess in my

845
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: mind because I see the Jackson's as kind of the

846
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: first family of post civil rights movement, like all the

847
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: struggle that happened before nineteen sixty eight, Like you guys

848
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: are the first to flourish and to post civil rights activity,

849
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: But you guys are also teenagers in Los Angeles and

850
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: you're successful at that. So I'm certain that there's also

851
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: moments where, like you're in situations in which you're the

852
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: only black person there, or you're driving an elaborate car

853
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: that normally isn't.

854
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, associated with people that look like you. Like

855
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: how hard was it to.

856
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: Navigate in Los Angeles as teenagers where it's not so cute?

857
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing when it's like Marlon and Michael,

858
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: who are like eleven twelve younger. Was it different for

859
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: a young black teenager in nineteen seventy two, seventy three,

860
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: seventy four, like the first half of the seventies.

861
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 14: I had an experience once when I was about I

862
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 14: was in my.

863
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 12: Late teens or early twenties, and I had got myself

864
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 12: for the Mercedes the three fifty essal I think it was,

865
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 12: and that's when I had stopped to get gasoline for

866
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 12: my automobile and this is the time when they put

867
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 12: gas in your car.

868
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 14: You didn't have to do it.

869
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: They do it for you.

870
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 12: And I pull in that I say, what do you want?

871
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 12: I said, fill it up and can you check the oil?

872
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 12: So I pulled the lever for the thing. And you

873
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 12: know all the car, you know, there's two levers. There's

874
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 12: one outside as well.

875
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 14: So got yankee and I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, let

876
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 14: me let me. So I go out and show him

877
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 14: how to do it too.

878
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 12: He slams my hood, then pulls pumps my gas and

879
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 12: drip gas all on the side of my car and

880
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 12: then takes Then I go inside and I noticed he's calling.

881
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 14: It on my credit card. So I told him, I said,

882
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 14: I don't want to pay for the service. So he

883
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 14: goes to the people on the phones. Wait a minute.

884
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 12: He goes to a drawer, pulls out a gun, holds

885
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 12: it to my head and said sign it. Of course

886
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 12: I signed it. I signed it. I immediately, This is

887
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 12: before cell phones. I go to a stop as a

888
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 12: phone booth, call our security Bill Braid. Bill, who's a detective.

889
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 12: He rushes out to Chatsworth where I was immediately and

890
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 12: go to the police station explain the story to them.

891
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 14: They go over to the station, picks up.

892
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 12: The guy, come back, and then they tell us that

893
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 12: if we if we arrest this man, we're gonna have

894
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 12: to rest mister Jackson too, for not for refusing to

895
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 12: pay for service.

896
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 14: So the guy walked, that's that's how that's how it ended.

897
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 12: Yep, of course it was. And this guy, I guess

898
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 12: he wasn't used to seeing the young black guy of color,

899
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 12: whether he's young or not. You know, it was such

900
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 12: a nice automobile because back then those Mercedes were very

901
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 12: high items, and I was the only nineteen driving one.

902
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 9: So well, my my story is is a little different.

903
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 9: This is we had our TV show, The Jackson Show,

904
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 9: and yeah, and you know, and we lived in the

905
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 9: Sino in a lot and we were shooting that shows

906
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 9: somewhere and not at the CBS slot, but somewhere else.

907
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 9: So I will come through Beverly Hills and over the

908
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 9: hill to go home. And my first car was a Porsche,

909
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 9: a Porsche, and the police saw me driving, so he

910
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 9: pulls me over and he walks up to the car

911
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 9: and said, is this your car? I said yes.

912
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 10: He said driver's license such and such. I gave it

913
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 10: to him. He sees Encino on it.

914
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 9: Why are you going home this way? And I'm looking like,

915
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 9: what do you mean while I'm going home this way?

916
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 9: And yeah, you can go home any kind of way

917
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 9: you want.

918
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 6: To, and who says I'm going home right?

919
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 9: And then and then he says, well, where you get

920
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 9: the money to buy a car like this from? And

921
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 9: I tell him, you know, I'm an artist, I do

922
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 9: records and whatever, and he wrote me up some phony

923
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 9: Ticke wrote me up a ticket for whatever it says it.

924
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 9: I gave it to our people to take care of.

925
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 9: But I think Jackie, all of us used to get

926
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 9: pulled over all the time, asking us, uh, I got

927
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 9: a real funny story for you after this used to uh,

928
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 9: used to give us tickets and pull us over just

929
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 9: to harass us.

930
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 10: But here is my real funny story.

931
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 9: This story is so funny that I could Jackie, you know,

932
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 9: don't give a tell. So Michael's first car was a

933
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 9: Rose Royce.

934
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 10: He was and he was eighteen.

935
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 9: But Michael, he parked anywhere he didn't know. So one

936
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 9: day I'm he didn't care.

937
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 10: I'm driving down the street.

938
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 9: I thought it was so funny. I'm driving down the

939
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 9: street and the police got Michael handcuffed to a bench.

940
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: Wait, he was.

941
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 10: Because he had a lot of parking tickets.

942
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 8: Did you stop?

943
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: They never heard that story. Journalists are asking the wrong questions.

944
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah I did.

945
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 9: But you can't say you couldn't say too much. And

946
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 9: and they let they let him go after it. I mean,

947
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 9: you know, it's back in those days.

948
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 8: You could you couldn't say you pull up the street

949
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 8: and you just looking from behind in the mirror.

950
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 4: All right, Yes, tell him the story.

951
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 11: When we went down to Alabama, uh, for my mother's Uh,

952
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 11: they took Michael.

953
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: He went into this. Michael went to this. Yeah, he

954
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: shot down South.

955
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 9: Tell him what do Yeah, yeah, Mike, because Mike, Mike

956
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 9: like antique. So the security was with him. So Bill say,

957
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go to the restaurant right quick. And the

958
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 9: owner of the store, I don't know if he called

959
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 9: the police whatever, he thought Michael was trying to steal

960
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 9: stuff out of the store. He didn't know who he was.

961
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 9: I think he and he got a gun. And then

962
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 9: Bill's and they took Michael somewhere looking for Michael and

963
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 9: looking for Michael Jackie.

964
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 10: I didn't forgot some of this stuff.

965
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 11: He took Michael to the back room somewhere and tied

966
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 11: him down. Michael was in the back room somewhere, like

967
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 11: in the.

968
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: Back ship. This is like, this is like in hies,

969
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: late seventies.

970
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 9: Yeah.

971
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, we're looking all over Michael and they had him

972
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 11: tied down in the back ship. It's almost like the

973
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 11: clamor was gonna take him away somewhere, and you know

974
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 11: they were saving.

975
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Them for that. Yeah, the story started with Alabama.

976
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, so we're looking for Michael all over the place

977
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 11: and this guy had him tied down the back room

978
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 11: and this was like an antique stuff full of books

979
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 11: and all kind of antiques.

980
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: Michael liked the old stuff. He like buying stuff like that, right,

981
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: And it took him.

982
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 11: They thought he was trying to steal something and he

983
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 11: took him in the back room and we went in

984
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 11: the store. We couldn't find him. He was in some

985
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 11: other kind of ship behind behind that store.

986
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: He was in another kind of.

987
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: Jackson.

988
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

989
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 8: Hard to get him released.

990
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a release and they realized school he was.

991
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: But we we didn't.

992
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 9: We let it go.

993
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: We didn't put it in the press. We let it

994
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, yeah, if it.

995
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 7: Wasn't him until now a regular, it was any other Jackson, right,

996
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 7: it was Michael Johnson.

997
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 2: Right, speaking speaking of Bill Bray. So I came across

998
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: this this this like raw footage of a concert. I mean,

999
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: I guess it was the Destiny era. But I was

1000
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: just looking at this footage and I'm noticing that the

1001
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: way that security is handled is not like it is now.

1002
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: Like there was no separation gait or something. The whole

1003
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: fans back like basically fans were one inch away from,

1004
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, climbing on stage. And there's a point where

1005
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: I guess Bill Bray is giving you guys like a

1006
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: pep talk backstage on you know what my signals are?

1007
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: How often did you guys have to prematurely cut a show.

1008
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: Man all the time? So getting through a show was

1009
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: actually a hard thing to do.

1010
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 8: It was was it a song that popped them off?

1011
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 8: Or was it just like the moment you stepped on.

1012
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 14: Stage, the moment they said, the moment they set eyes on.

1013
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 3: Me in the morning it was a pandem morning yea.

1014
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 9: And believe it, believe it or not, there was a

1015
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 9: few times where we had bump threats. You know, and

1016
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 9: at one time they did find a bomb under the stage.

1017
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 9: He brought in the police dogs and all that stuff.

1018
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 10: So it you know it, it's been different.

1019
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 9: So it's been different. We've been through a bunch of

1020
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 9: the We used to go to shows in armor trucks

1021
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 9: because even on the Vision Tour we had death threats.

1022
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 6: We sure did it really?

1023
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 14: Wow?

1024
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're all brave for a bunch of fucking musicians.

1025
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the decision to not?

1026
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we live in a time now

1027
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: where you know, especially in social media, just everything's transparent

1028
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 2: and there's you know, nothing that's not revealed.

1029
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: What was the decision and not.

1030
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: Ever releasing these stories that things have happened for fear

1031
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: that copycats might try to follow, or.

1032
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 9: It's just never dawned on us. We you know, it

1033
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 9: was part of our life, and I don't know, as

1034
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 9: we talked it just you know, we would try to

1035
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 9: We weren't crazy about you know, putting stuff in the

1036
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 9: press and and and those things. You know, we just

1037
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 9: move on with our life and keep going. I remember

1038
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 9: one time, long time ago, uh in Chatsworth again, Chessworth, California.

1039
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 9: My kids were at a park and my son drew

1040
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 9: it in the grass, and a whole bunch of people

1041
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 9: stood up and they were the KKK and uh, and

1042
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 9: some other friends came and and my wife and Jackie's

1043
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 9: wife and all jumped in the car car and took off.

1044
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 9: They came with bats and chains and uh. And somebody

1045
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 9: called the police and said there was a bunch of

1046
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 9: black ladies with afro wigs, I mean huge afros and

1047
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 9: and driving in the Mercedes down the streets flying And

1048
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 9: none of them had not none of them had an afro,

1049
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 9: but they just saw the color of your skin and

1050
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 9: they just said afro and and it was crazy. It

1051
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 9: was they were coming after him to kill him. They

1052
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 9: were having the picnic, and they jumped in the car,

1053
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 9: got all this stuff and just took off. And these

1054
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 9: guys with chains and bats coming after females.

1055
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 15: Were you guys able to share these situations and lean

1056
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 15: on some of your peers, because I'm sure y'all weren't

1057
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 15: the only ones going through stuff at the time.

1058
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 7: Like who do y'all talk to about how to navigate

1059
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 7: all this stuff at that time in y'all lives?

1060
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 8: Not to mention you got parents from the South, but still.

1061
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 14: Sometimes we take care of it ourselves.

1062
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 6: Question love it was the way the bullet, that's what says,

1063
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 6: you know, ask answer this question.

1064
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 8: When he came before, who is the first Jackson to

1065
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 8: pop off? You said, Jermaine is the first jackson?

1066
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 14: Uh to want to I would run home the mama.

1067
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: Start he started to fight.

1068
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 14: He started to fight me fighting and run home and

1069
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 14: tell mama, I'm fighting.

1070
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: Wait, Marlon, I have a question.

1071
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: So one of one of my favorite J five albums

1072
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: was Get It Together, and in particular, I mean, I

1073
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: realize that now when when I was older that that

1074
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 2: was accidently no, no, no, uh mama h the cover

1075
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: of uh Mama got Randon new thing. Don't say no,

1076
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm realizing that you singing on it?

1077
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: How are you guys?

1078
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 15: Uh?

1079
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: What would you what would you say, fante, I'm having

1080
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 2: lost a wards? You call it the would you say

1081
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: the operation of uh the division division of labor? Division

1082
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: of labor?

1083
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? What what is the division of labor? As far

1084
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: as who gets what part or no?

1085
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 9: Well, that song was was produced by how Davis, so

1086
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 9: he would tell us who's going to sing this, who's

1087
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 9: going to sing that, Who's going to sing this? Even

1088
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 9: in the corporation. You're gonna sing this part. You're gonna

1089
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 9: sing this part and and that's how and that's what

1090
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 9: we did when it, you know, and and that's what

1091
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 9: and that's what we did.

1092
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: And did you sing on any other Jackson songs that

1093
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: didn't make it?

1094
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 10: Or like I think body Language is another one that

1095
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 10: I sung on too.

1096
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 14: He said that didn't make it?

1097
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 10: He said, quest has been so long ago.

1098
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 9: I got c R S.

1099
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: I remember what CRS disease?

1100
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I should do, you know, after after, after you

1101
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 9: get past fifty you know stuff, come and go?

1102
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 8: Can I ask can I ask you a dancing question

1103
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 8: that that you may remember?

1104
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 9: I mean that Wait, wait, that don't mean them answering.

1105
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: Somebody the moment right now, right for real, for real, Marlin,

1106
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: for the moment right now? You do mean?

1107
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 6: Man, yeah, that too.

1108
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 15: But I was going to ask you, like your dancing story,

1109
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 15: like you talked about you and Michael being fans of

1110
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 15: Jackie Wilson and being a fan of the dance.

1111
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 8: But I'm just curious, like as.

1112
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 15: You evolved, as dance evolved, like who are some of

1113
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 15: the folks that you started looking to like.

1114
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 9: We we believe or not we used to watch James

1115
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 9: Brown like you, said Jackie Wilson. We used to watch

1116
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 9: fred the Stare Gene Kelly.

1117
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 6: J Rogers.

1118
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, we won't tip.

1119
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 10: We were walking on our toes.

1120
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 4: Now Michael knock on Freda's store's door.

1121
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 9: No, no, let me tell us jack Jackie. I got

1122
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 9: so so one day, uh you know, Michael said, Marma,

1123
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 9: come come pick me up. I don't feel like driving

1124
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 9: to the studio. I said, okay, I'm gonna come get you.

1125
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 9: And we drove Michael's car. His roll here out in

1126
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 9: the car, Michael said, well, Marma, I want you to

1127
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 9: go this way. I said which way? I said, why

1128
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 9: are we going this way? He said, just go this way,

1129
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 9: and then we go in through Beverly Hills. He said,

1130
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 9: tear down this street. I said, said, well, you're not

1131
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 9: going to the studio, Mike. He said, Dad is to

1132
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 9: drive down there. Mike, I'm not driving down somebody's driveway. Marma,

1133
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 9: just drive down the driveway. He get out the car

1134
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 9: and knock on the door. It was Freddie Stair's house.

1135
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 9: You know, you out the car, knock on the door.

1136
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 9: Fredis Stair wasn't home. I don't know where he was

1137
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 9: and I said, who, man, that's that's where Freddie Staire lives.

1138
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 9: That's his house. And somebody answered the door and told

1139
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 9: him that Freddie's Stair wasn't home at the time. And

1140
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 9: then we went on to the studio.

1141
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: But say this, stay Davia's house too, right, walking time?

1142
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 9: What time we were in?

1143
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Uh?

1144
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 9: Sometimes figure out why we were there though we were

1145
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 9: so we Richie Pride lived in North in the North

1146
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 9: threege so we Michael and I. I don't think I

1147
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 9: ever told you all this, Jackie. So Michael and I

1148
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 9: we stopped. We went to Richard Pride's house. Right, we

1149
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 9: knocked on the door. He come in. He's talking to us,

1150
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 9: and what was so funny to me?

1151
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 10: That we're leaving?

1152
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 9: And Richie goes to us, he said, yeah, that that's

1153
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 9: the Mercedes I shot the tires out of which he

1154
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 9: tried to.

1155
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: Wait where she tried to leave.

1156
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: Right. Remember that.

1157
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 15: I was also asking, like after fredstare like as the

1158
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 15: time went on the seventies and eighties, where the other

1159
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 15: folks too, did you were like? Because I know Michael

1160
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 15: implemented new styles and dance and form into his thing.

1161
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 8: But Marlon, I mean, I know you do your thing

1162
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 8: I seen you. You still do your thing, you.

1163
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 10: Appreciate it, trying to do something.

1164
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Wait, can I add to that question? What did you

1165
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 1: guys work with Charlie Atkins at all?

1166
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 13: No?

1167
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 10: No, never did.

1168
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: Who is the choreographer for the Jackson five?

1169
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 10: Jackie?

1170
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 12: In the very beginning, we got assistance from Suzanne to

1171
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 12: pass uh. She had a choreographed some of the I

1172
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 12: want you back stuff, the Sullivan stuff. But after that

1173
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 12: is basically even before that, it's always been the groups

1174
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 12: on their own thing.

1175
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, Jackie Michael and I we fool around. Jackie Michael

1176
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 9: and I. We until we realized we running out of time,

1177
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 9: didn't we say we better get serious with this.

1178
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 10: That's what That's what we did on Motime twenty five.

1179
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 9: We spend almost two or three hours in the room talking, look, hey,

1180
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 9: the shoot tomorrow. We don't have any choreography before Wait.

1181
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 6: What Wow, y'all did that the night before y'all did that?

1182
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1183
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yes, what yeah?

1184
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 7: So my question what was y'all thought? This movie means

1185
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 7: the world to us, but to y'all. Want to know

1186
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 7: the v H one American Jackson's American?

1187
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the music?

1188
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 10: You got to ask Jackie Tito that I've never seen it.

1189
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: You are lie, seriously, No, I've never seen it.

1190
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 9: I've never seen it.

1191
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 4: Model me too.

1192
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: All right, wait seriously, part of it.

1193
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 9: I've never seen it.

1194
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 11: But can I tell you something. My father wasn't like that.

1195
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 11: They made him like he was so I mean, he

1196
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 11: wasn't like that. They made like a real bad.

1197
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 4: Guy and he was not like that.

1198
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 8: Just strength.

1199
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for the movie. I mean, my father disciplined

1200
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 4: us because he had six boys, you know, and around

1201
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 4: gangs like that. He wasn't like that.

1202
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 9: But matter of fact, that's how we learned how to

1203
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 9: dance dodge.

1204
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 7: I was going to ask all that too, just so

1205
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 7: particularly about your dad because you know, he's pasted and

1206
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 7: I was watching the other day they showed the they

1207
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 7: have a new Tiger Woods documentary this on uh this

1208
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 7: out now, and yes, you know there's the kind of

1209
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 7: the telling you know, you think of just the strict

1210
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 7: father that's just kind of driving the kids, and your

1211
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 7: dad has always kind of been just the symbol of

1212
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 7: just the hard, you know, disciplinarian father. And so I

1213
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 7: was just curious to know from your guys on words,

1214
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 7: you know, what was that relationship like I mean, you know,

1215
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 7: he's been kind of demonized in a lot of ways.

1216
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 7: But since his passing in just over the years of

1217
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 7: y'all have has have y'all as y'all have grown as

1218
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 7: men and become fathers yourselves.

1219
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 10: How is that?

1220
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 6: How how do y'all look at y'all relationship with your dad.

1221
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 4: Now when you realize, you know, you go back and

1222
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 4: realize what he was doing was right.

1223
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 11: I mean, we came from a bad neighborhood Guarantiana, and

1224
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 11: he I mean he kept us out of that situation

1225
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 11: by keeping us busy, keeping us rehearsing. He saw we

1226
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 11: had talent, and he said, if you want to be something,

1227
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 11: you got to work at And that's what he did.

1228
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 11: And in those days, you know, you know her parents

1229
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 11: raised kids was different.

1230
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 4: You know, even your neighbors, your parents, I mean, your

1231
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 4: neighbors would get you.

1232
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 11: You know, that's how it was back in those days.

1233
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 11: You can't do that stuff today. It's a whole different today,

1234
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 11: it's different.

1235
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 4: But not just the way it was back then.

1236
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 9: You know, today today those jokers break their knuckles down

1237
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 9: in ninety one one.

1238
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, something as parents and grandparents now seeing the way

1239
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 8: the kids are like disciplined, Yes.

1240
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 6: I called it.

1241
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1242
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 7: It was a different time when I look at you know,

1243
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 7: just when I think about, you know, your your dad,

1244
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 7: your dad's legacy, and just what he was able to

1245
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 7: help y'all build. You know, it's just you know, whenever

1246
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 7: I see people being real harsh about you know, men

1247
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 7: of that time, I'm just like, listen, dude, Like white

1248
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 7: folks just ran up in the capitol.

1249
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 6: What was they doing in nineteen fifty nine?

1250
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, what would you know

1251
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? What think about what those guys.

1252
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 7: Were up against back then to raise you know, you

1253
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 7: know all these kids keep him out of trouble, nine

1254
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 7: children and working in a steel mill, Like, come the

1255
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 7: funk on, dude, Like, you know, you got to put

1256
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 7: that in context.

1257
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 14: You know.

1258
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 6: So I was always to hear your thoughts on it.

1259
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 4: When I went to the steel mail one time and

1260
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 4: some where my father worked. Man, they looked up that

1261
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 4: steel door and all that heat.

1262
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 11: And fire key out, and I said, oh my god,

1263
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 11: how does he work in a place like this all

1264
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 11: the time?

1265
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't believe it.

1266
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 14: Yeah, Jackie took us home and wanted to rehearse even more.

1267
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: Better than being in. I don't Jackie, were you at

1268
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: one point seriously trying to consider uh a career in

1269
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: baseball at all?

1270
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 15: Wait?

1271
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 9: Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, Jackie, back that up.

1272
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 9: Not consider the white Sox was looking at him.

1273
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.

1274
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 8: Talk about it, Jackie, Come on.

1275
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 11: No matter fact, we all played baseball. We all grew

1276
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 11: baseball players, all of us. And I was a short

1277
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 11: stop and a picture and and they was after me

1278
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 11: and and stuff like that. But you know, I think

1279
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 11: I thought I made the right move by sticker with

1280
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 11: my brothers, because the singing career last whatever.

1281
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 4: You can sing forever, you know.

1282
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: And you can sing with bad knees.

1283
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh, you know I did the right thing.

1284
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: We did the right thing to stay with the group

1285
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 4: and stay with the.

1286
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: Boys, because I would see you know often in like

1287
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: ride on magazine or whatever the periodicals were at the

1288
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: time of like you guys actually had your own softball team,

1289
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: Like how how was that arranged? Like like celebrities softball

1290
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: games versus each other would just be a thing of

1291
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: you calling them up?

1292
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: Or was it like some official.

1293
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 11: We had some of the coldest baseball teams we had.

1294
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 11: We had Willie god on our team.

1295
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 10: We had uh we.

1296
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 11: The US and football. We had the Colders. And all

1297
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 11: those guys play baseball too, you know we don't. They

1298
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 11: played college baseball. We win the championship every year.

1299
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 9: So Billy Christal, Billy Christ, Billy CHRISTI, they gonna get

1300
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 9: their team, Him and Rob right there and all of them.

1301
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 9: The story they big, they gonna come and play us.

1302
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 11: You know. You know Sam Watson, You know Sam. Anyone

1303
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 11: knows Sam Watson. He's always in the ring all the

1304
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 11: time of the Fighters.

1305
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 8: And uh but said the words that you're not supposed

1306
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 8: to say, but only he's supposed to say it.

1307
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 4: He said, Sam, Yeah with the Fighters, you know.

1308
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, Sam was on our baseball baseball Sam is the

1309
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 9: great baseball player.

1310
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 4: He can play. Oh yeah, can play.

1311
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 2: You know, because I would notice all your appearances on

1312
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 2: Soul Train, Marl, let me talk the most junk about you.

1313
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: Guys are sports prowess and in basketball and softball. I

1314
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: didn't know if that was like an actual thing, Like

1315
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: there was.

1316
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 9: A no, it's serious, and then there's a there's a

1317
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 9: picture somewhere. I saw Jackie playing basketball. Jackie used to

1318
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 9: play Marvin gay all the time at Marvia Gaye's house.

1319
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 10: Didn't you Jackie, you'll go one on one?

1320
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 11: He would call me over. We played one on one.

1321
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 11: He said, jack ain't paying no damn taxes and he

1322
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 11: wrote a song about it. I can't pay my taxes.

1323
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: Make me want to holler right right.

1324
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 4: We used to play all the time, one on one,

1325
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 4: all the time at his house.

1326
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 11: He called, but he would push you around. Marvin played

1327
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 11: really rough though dirty.

1328
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, when you're in when when you get to

1329
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: l a like who and older? Who were your peers

1330
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 2: or like who would you hang with? Was it just

1331
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: in house or did you guys have like a relationship

1332
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: with the Silvers or anybody that was your age or anything.

1333
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,520
Speaker 11: Except we just hung together. We stayed in the recordings

1334
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 11: to be all. That's all Cord Cord record even on Sundays.

1335
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 9: They recorded all the time, and and then we would

1336
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 9: go out and do concerts. We had a curfew, so

1337
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 9: we had to be in bed at a certain time

1338
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 9: and moms would come and tell our security, I know

1339
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 9: my daughter is up in there with Winnam Jackson. Like

1340
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 9: you said, I can guarantee you they an't way wasn't

1341
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 9: name Jackson's. They might be with one of them band members,

1342
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 9: but they ain't with with nothing of them.

1343
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 14: Jackson's because I just did bed check and they.

1344
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 11: All our very first, our very first big concert. Mm hm,

1345
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 11: you know where it was, Mormon, the very first big concert.

1346
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 9: You know where it was at the Forum with No.

1347
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 4: I'm talking about that one, the very first big one.

1348
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 4: Guess where it was, jack.

1349
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: Philadelphia, Philadelphia Spectrum, Philadelphia.

1350
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 4: He said, that's where it was, remember, man, the first

1351
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 4: big start off. That's where Philadelphia. That's where it was there.

1352
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's there's a folklore tale. One of the

1353
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: most famous graffiti writers in Philadelphia's name is Cornbread. The

1354
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: legend of Cornbread is like the places that he would

1355
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: tag his his name, and the reason why that Philadelphia show,

1356
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: the reason why I know about it, even though I

1357
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: wasn't old enough to know about it, is that somehow

1358
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: Cornbread had managed to tag the Jackson five airplane with

1359
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: his name, which basically set his legend into like the

1360
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: graffiti world, like he tagged the Jackson five airplane from

1361
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: their Philadelphia Spectrum show. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean he's

1362
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: still living off that vocalo, right, now he's like sixty

1363
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: three years old. He finally signed a jacket for me

1364
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: after decades, a big and for it. I want to

1365
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: ask about the move to Epic. You know, between there's

1366
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: sort of that period in which past the beginning stage

1367
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: of Motown where you guys are putting the Vegas Act together,

1368
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 2: about to do the Variety Show, and of course you

1369
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: moved to Philly International Epic. What was basically I mean,

1370
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: were you guys trying to develop your music even before then, Like,

1371
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: were you guys writing actively writing and producing by that

1372
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: point or yeah, we.

1373
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 11: When we learned so much, you know, by then with

1374
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 11: all the Motown writers and the producers. It's like going

1375
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 11: to school there anyway, because you learned so much they

1376
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 11: teacher at the same time. And all the wonderful hit

1377
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 11: that we had with Motown who put us on the map,

1378
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 11: Barry Gordy and the whole crew and crew of writers.

1379
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 4: It was just amazing with the done for us.

1380
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 11: And at that time our contract was running out, we

1381
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 11: felt that it was time for us to start writing

1382
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 11: some of our music because at that time we felt

1383
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 11: the mes was kind of young and abc and a

1384
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 11: little bit and kind of kind of bubble Gummers.

1385
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 4: But it was the top of music that was geared

1386
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 4: to everybody to love. But we decided it's time let

1387
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 4: us to start writing some music, you know.

1388
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 11: So we decided to no longer side with Motown, to

1389
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 11: go to another label where we can show them our

1390
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 11: ability to write songs and also produced records.

1391
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 4: So they put us with Gammel in Huff, you know,

1392
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 4: And we were so excited to be with those guys

1393
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: because those guys were known for writing hits on groups

1394
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 4: like Teddy Pendergrass and the Old Jays.

1395
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 9: You just the list goes on.

1396
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 4: And on the Cowboys the Girls.

1397
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 9: That's my favorite game, Cowboys the Girl.

1398
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: But what that group.

1399
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 11: And we figured that we if we get with the

1400
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 11: Jackson Gid with Gambling Huff, it's over with, It's gonna

1401
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 11: be a big time, you know what I'm saying.

1402
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: So, what are your thoughts on those albums? Now?

1403
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 6: Like now, over time?

1404
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 4: Incredible, incredible, man, Gambling Huff.

1405
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: We got there.

1406
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 4: We spent time just talking.

1407
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 10: And talking, and we call the whole album in two weeks.

1408
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:30,919
Speaker 7: In two weeks, man, I would say, my favorite material

1409
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 7: is still I mean the Gambler stuff.

1410
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 6: I mean, it's enjoy yourself and show you. I mean,

1411
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 6: those are plazas.

1412
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 7: But for me personally, man, I just love when y'all

1413
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 7: wrote your own stuff like that was that's that's that

1414
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 7: ship with jamming.

1415
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 6: I just like y'all y'all doing your own material. Man,

1416
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 6: that ship was just it was great.

1417
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 11: So we wrote, you know, first we wrote to We

1418
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 11: wrote two songs on the on the album. Then we

1419
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 11: gamble wrote the rests and songs, and all of a

1420
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 11: sudden they gave us a whole album.

1421
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 4: Start writing because I guess.

1422
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say.

1423
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:10,480
Speaker 2: My elementary school was right next door to Philly International,

1424
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: So oftentimes, like first second grade, I'd see you guys

1425
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: running to your car.

1426
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: On Broad Street.

1427
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 2: Really yeah, my I went to a performing arts school,

1428
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: which was if Philly International, I think was three ten

1429
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: Broad Street. My school was three thirteen, So oftentimes you'd

1430
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: see like Teddy Pendergrad, you'd see everyone outside. But you know,

1431
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: of course I knew when the Jacksons were in proximity

1432
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 2: because every girl in that school just run outside, and

1433
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, the Jackson's must to be next door

1434
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: or something.

1435
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: But I asked that question about the seventies because it

1436
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: just hit me. Can you tell me who the group

1437
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: MDLT was? Because I collected a lot of records and

1438
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: probably one of the highest priced forty fives that someone

1439
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: tried to get me for it was a Jackson five

1440
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: produced song called What's Your Game by M d l T.

1441
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 9: What's Your Game?

1442
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: It was like they were m d l T was

1443
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 1: like a I think the legends that they were on

1444
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: Ivory Tower. Yeah, Ivory Tower.

1445
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 10: Like four Girls yea was my father's group.

1446
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so they just saw like the Dinah Ross thing.

1447
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: They just use the and of course the Sucleite me

1448
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: comes along. It's like, yeah, I'll pay thousand for that. Okay,

1449
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: I get it now. So that was just on his label.

1450
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: But you guys didn't specifically produce that single or anything.

1451
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: Correct.

1452
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 9: I don't remember producing we're doing anything? You did?

1453
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 4: Yes, we did. You don't remember.

1454
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: He's right, we did that, Okay. I at least don't

1455
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: feel ripped off of pain for that.

1456
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 9: We did.

1457
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 10: Okay.

1458
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 2: So Jackie, I've meant I mentioned this and and your

1459
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: and your brother's documentary for Off the Wall that one

1460
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: of my favorite moments, and discovering that that demo on

1461
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 2: shake your body down to the ground. Was you yelling,

1462
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the begs to hear this ship?

1463
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, it's my favorite thing ever. It's

1464
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 2: rights right. Do you end the demo and it stops?

1465
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: He's the bgs to hear this ship?

1466
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 11: My mommy was at your house? And then that's a

1467
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 11: song we were doing like half a song. We was

1468
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 11: messing around this this messing around with a groove and

1469
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 11: we was making up something, remember that, And I said

1470
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 11: something like I can win the bgs here.

1471
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 4: He's right.

1472
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 18: I said that, and they caught that stuff, and I

1473
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 18: staid with viral, didn't it? A lot of a lot

1474
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 18: of people did with viral?

1475
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like what what were your I don't remember that.

1476
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean at that at that point, I know that

1477
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: you had to, you know, something to prove. And this

1478
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 2: is like the moment that you guys are going to

1479
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: step to the plate and produce your own material. But

1480
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: were you guys seriously eyeing like, Okay, they sold twelve

1481
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 2: million units, that's us, Like that's what we want?

1482
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 9: Like what?

1483
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your mind? Was were they the standards of

1484
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: who to be? Like why not Earth went and Fire

1485
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: or p Funk.

1486
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 15: Or I don't know.

1487
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 11: Maybe I don't know, maybe say that about the BG.

1488
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 11: It just came out, BGS. Here this ship, it just happened.

1489
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 4: I just named the BG.

1490
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 18: It could have been I could have been just you know,

1491
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 18: it just happened. It was we was in sane something

1492
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 18: like the little group, just making something as we go along,

1493
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 18: and I said, wait, this ship or something like that.

1494
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 4: I remember something like that.

1495
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, ironically we all get inducted into the Rock

1496
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 9: and Roll Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety seven.

1497
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 14: Together, oh together, all that came out b G.

1498
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 2: Also, I also asked your brother Randy this question. So

1499
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 2: in terms of presentation and theatrics, like, you guys definitely

1500
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: raise the game higher. I mean, by that point in

1501
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: seventy seven, you know, earth wind Fire is bringing theatrics

1502
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 2: to the game, and p Funk definitely was bringing theatrics.

1503
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 14: To the game.

1504
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, then I always wanted to know, though,

1505
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: why was Randy the designated agitator? Like usually any explosions

1506
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: were because of Randy either throwing you guys in a

1507
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: pit or throwing some flash paper and exploit, Like, why

1508
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: was he the one? Like you know, it's like you

1509
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: guys are brothers in the first twenty three minutes and

1510
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,440
Speaker 2: then Randy does this terrorist.

1511
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: Act like Okay, then I'm to this fire and it's

1512
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: gonna explode and we'll have on new outfits like well.

1513
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 4: Because you're right, I've never looked at it like that.

1514
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: But you're right, though, Why was he the signated that

1515
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: guy to do?

1516
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 9: Because he was because he wasn't in the Jackson fire.

1517
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 10: That's why.

1518
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: How did you guys conceptualize those shows? Though?

1519
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 3: I told you just to cry.

1520
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 11: When we used to go on the road and drive

1521
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 11: down and drive our driveway going out the gate heading

1522
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 11: for the airport, he would cry like a baby sitting

1523
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 11: the driver because he thought he was coming with us,

1524
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 11: you know, so he thought.

1525
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 19: He pushing the butt, he pushed the button for the

1526
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 19: gate for the car to leave, did y'all y'all.

1527
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 15: Didn't initiate him when he came when he finally became

1528
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 15: a part, did you like, he was always there.

1529
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 9: But he was around, but he was hanging around before

1530
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 9: he became, you know, full member.

1531
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 11: And when they became a full member. I remember doing

1532
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 11: this concert one time. This is so funny, packed to

1533
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 11: the rapt us all the way around, number of people.

1534
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 11: So n he's on the state. He's get his shot

1535
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 11: to be on the stage. And he was playing his

1536
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 11: ass because he can play some Kol's bungles and all

1537
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 11: that stuff.

1538
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 9: You know.

1539
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 11: That's all of a sudden, it's time for Randy to

1540
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 11: do a solo, right, all of a sudden he gets

1541
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 11: the spotlight get on it for him to play and.

1542
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 14: Do a solo right right, and the music breaks.

1543
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 4: And Randy from up.

1544
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 11: Randy looked up and so all these people start looking

1545
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 11: around around like this, around seeing all this.

1546
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 4: He forgot his solo. He did plays play keep looking

1547
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 4: around all these twenty thousand people in there. Oh man,

1548
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 4: yeah he didn't play man. Then he came up later. Yeah,

1549
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 4: he came in later. Yeah.

1550
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 10: Now I'm gonna tell you a story.

1551
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 9: On the thirtieth anniversary, was doing you know, Shakey Body,

1552
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 9: and we went to one corner of the stage. We

1553
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 9: run to the other corner of the stage. So we

1554
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 9: ran to the y'all didn't even know this was happening

1555
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 9: on stage. We ran to the corner stage and we

1556
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 9: do our break and we freeze and were just waiting there,

1557
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 9: waiting there, waiting there, and Michael goes, what's next, what's next?

1558
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 10: I said, Michael, you're supposed.

1559
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 9: To count it off.

1560
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 3: What this is going on?

1561
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 10: This is going on stage and you didn't even know it.

1562
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't know the next cue?

1563
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 9: No, the next cue was here. He's about to go

1564
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 9: to start the band again. Oh, and he's telling us

1565
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 9: what's next? What's next?

1566
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 4: That's for television, what's the next? I remember that?

1567
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for for those for those shows, though, how

1568
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: much preparation goes into that, and like who decides what

1569
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: musicians come aboard? Who decides like Duck Henning is now

1570
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's Duck Henning that helped the.

1571
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 9: First The only thing Doug Henny did, what's the what's

1572
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 9: the magic?

1573
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: That's all he did, even introducing magic to a show

1574
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: like who who? Like what what's the pre meeting? The

1575
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: pre meeting? Uh situation like before that, even.

1576
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 9: Before Jackie you you might not know. Before you all came,

1577
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 9: Michael and I went and we met with Doug Henny

1578
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 9: to look at all whatever magic he had, and we

1579
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 9: picked the one.

1580
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 10: We picked the one that.

1581
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 9: Goes up and explosion there that that would work for

1582
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 9: the show. And then you all came. The second time

1583
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 9: we used making it wasn't Doug Canny Jackie?

1584
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 10: Who was?

1585
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 9: I forgot who.

1586
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 19: He's on the Come on Copperfield, David Copper He's right right,

1587
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 19: he's the one.

1588
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: But what was the decision to add those elements to this?

1589
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: That just came out of nowhere?

1590
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 11: Because you know, at that particular time, a lot of

1591
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 11: acts were doing something similar to that. You know, they

1592
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 11: had something special like so like an illusion or something

1593
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 11: like that, right, yeah, And we decided we add this

1594
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 11: to the show.

1595
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 4: It's going to be something incredible, you know, you know

1596
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 4: when I.

1597
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 11: Show, because we we've always had a high energy type show,

1598
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 11: you know, okay, people dancing and a lot of a

1599
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 11: lot of energy and pretty much a nice sized production.

1600
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 11: So we decided we add this to the show. It

1601
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 11: would just go over the top, you know, right, That's

1602
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 11: how and that's how we were thinking.

1603
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I'll let my look, I'll

1604
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: let the listeners know that, especially watching all this as

1605
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 2: like a nine ten year older, no one has utilized

1606
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 2: slow motion effects better than the Jackson's. Like practically every

1607
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 2: variety show they were ever on, there's a movement. I mean,

1608
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: I thought you guys could fly because there's always some

1609
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: point in that performance where you guys either running or

1610
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 2: airlifting like seven feet up in the air, and I

1611
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, the Jacksons could really fly like that.

1612
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 2: I didn't realize untill later that you know, that's called

1613
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 2: post editing. But I just thought, you guys at magic

1614
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:20,919
Speaker 2: flying ability.

1615
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 7: I want to know how you guys, you know we

1616
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 7: were talking about we were talking about the CBS years.

1617
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 7: How when you guys left Motown and you know, how

1618
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 7: did y'all kind of repair that relationship with Barry Gordy

1619
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 7: later on? Like how did he, you know, take y'all

1620
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 7: leaving and you know, where's the Joab's relationship at with him?

1621
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 9: Now?

1622
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 10: We're cool, always.

1623
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:45,919
Speaker 14: Cool.

1624
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 9: You know, business is business. Just a business decision, and

1625
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 9: we were young. It was a decision that my father

1626
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 9: actually you know, you know, made and and so we

1627
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 9: moved forward on it. But I think one of the

1628
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 9: I remember someone telling me, Jackie, you might have that.

1629
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 9: Barry Gordy said, the worst thing he ever did is let.

1630
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 10: The Jackson five get away from Motown.

1631
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 14: Man.

1632
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there was no like space or room for

1633
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: any discussion of Okay, how many songs do you want

1634
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: to produce? Or or I'll call your bluff and see

1635
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 2: if you guys would like Did he really think you

1636
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: guys wouldn't leave or anything.

1637
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 12: I don't know the details, but I think basically he

1638
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 12: felt that it wasn't broke. Why try to fix something

1639
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 12: that's working, you know? So basically I don't think he

1640
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,480
Speaker 12: had that. We had never wrote or produced anything publicly,

1641
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 12: so I think he just felt why changed things?

1642
01:25:51,160 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have questions about the Triumph album because that's where, individually,

1643
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: you guys really came into your own as far as

1644
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 2: songwriting and producing is concerned. Side note, Jackie, you you've

1645
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 2: actually written my favorite Jackson song of all time, like

1646
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: Your Ways is like my all time favorite song in life.

1647
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: Oh oh god, yeah, no, no, no doubt. I mean,

1648
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 2: no offense to you other Jackson's, but you know that's

1649
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: you go where you go off all your ways, that's

1650
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 2: the way I go up forgive it up? I love

1651
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: I know Marlin, like that's you you sing in lead

1652
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: with Michael on that one man. I love, I love

1653
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: that song man.

1654
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 7: And I thought y'all really was y'all was that in

1655
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 7: sence y'all trying to go for kind of the yacht

1656
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 7: rock kind of I guess that you know that kind

1657
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 7: of song.

1658
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 9: No, it just said that's what the song called for,

1659
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 9: So that's what you get it.

1660
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I love it.

1661
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 9: There's the magic that happens in the studio when you're working.

1662
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 9: All of a sudden somebody hit you with someone the

1663
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 9: song needs this, bam, so you do it. You know,

1664
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 9: it's it's uh, you know, it's just work. It's just

1665
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 9: you know, you can't go in and say I'm gonna

1666
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 9: do this, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna do that.

1667
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 9: It doesn't work that way.

1668
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 14: You know.

1669
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 9: It's it's a feel listen. You know. That's why I

1670
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 9: try to tell some of the kids today. And with

1671
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 9: all these electronics that they use, and I tell people,

1672
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 9: how are they supposed to get the sound the way

1673
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 9: that instrument really sound if you never heard that instrument? Right?

1674
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 4: And and and and these these these three albums that

1675
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 4: were just released a couple of days ago.

1676
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

1677
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 11: They have great songs on the songs that never get

1678
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 11: that attention, you know what I'm saying. But your Ways

1679
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,839
Speaker 11: now they sticking those out and they did some remixing.

1680
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 11: They sound great, really, I mean.

1681
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 9: It's the blues Away used one of my favorite Yeah,

1682
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 9: they sound great and that's what you get for being

1683
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 9: polite and things.

1684
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's on there too. Yeah, all that stuff here.

1685
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 4: It sounds great. Different mixes on it.

1686
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: How do you guys write the songs together?

1687
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 9: Well, we started, we started writing. We started writing the

1688
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 9: deaths in the album when Michael was doing the Wizz.

1689
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 2: You know, That's why I wanted to know, how is

1690
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 2: it like? How what was the process of doing Destiny

1691
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: while he was doing the Whiz? Did it come out

1692
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 2: before or after?

1693
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: Wells was after the Whiz? Correct?

1694
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 9: Yes, right, we were getting the studio and just start

1695
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 9: writing songs. We you know, meet up at noon and

1696
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 9: we're going to spend you know, four or five five

1697
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 9: hours in the studio and we're going to come up

1698
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 9: with some stuff and write some songs.

1699
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 11: And sometimes we do. Tito had this big camper, you know,

1700
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 11: with the three stooges on it. We would take it

1701
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 11: out to the beach and sit by the ocean and

1702
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 11: write lyrics. And we would do things like that and

1703
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 11: go out in different plant areas and go in to

1704
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 11: camper and just write lyrics and come back, you know,

1705
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 11: spend about five or six hours out you know, the

1706
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 11: Pacific ocean, at the beach and park the camper sideways

1707
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 11: and just look at the ways, and we have food

1708
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 11: in their sandwiches, and we write lyrics and write songs. Yeah,

1709
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 11: they go back in the studio record because we all

1710
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 11: had a whole recording.

1711
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 7: Oh okay, gotcha, man, I must know for all the

1712
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 7: people in my generation. So this song came out. I

1713
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 7: guess I was four the video for can You Feel It?

1714
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Dude? That was the.

1715
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 6: Scariest, most awesome.

1716
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: Can I piggyback on top of that? On top of that?

1717
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: See you were four with can You Feel It?

1718
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 2: But try explaining to a seven year old this reflection

1719
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: ship for blaming on the boogie, which absolutely scared the

1720
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 2: ship out of me as a kid because Soul Train

1721
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 2: would come on at one in the morning. So watching

1722
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 2: you guys with this reflective ship and like here my

1723
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: dad's musicians say, like, oh, that's what the anassd trip is,

1724
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 2: like a mere Like again, I know you guys are

1725
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: one step ahead of technology with everything that y'all have done,

1726
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 2: But what was I mean?

1727
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, blame it on the boogie and can you Feel It?

1728
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: They were big right, Yeah, I was like the big

1729
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: niggas just frequently I could run away from it.

1730
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: I think by that point you guys are in your

1731
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: mid twenties, almost thirty, so it's different. But when you're

1732
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 2: you're watching, when you're watching under the age of ten,

1733
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:26,440
Speaker 2: it's a whole another.

1734
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 14: It's a different thing.

1735
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Blame It on the Boogie used to actually scare me,

1736
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: like just to watch because I couldn't understand this whole

1737
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: reflection thing and free it.

1738
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 8: That scared me became Michael with thrilling.

1739
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: Thanks Thriller.

1740
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 2: We were after scaring us for two years with that

1741
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: ship as big as marbles chain, said Michael. And don't

1742
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: stop to get enough, like we were used to it

1743
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: at the time. But yeah, even when making Okay, so

1744
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 2: in doing the Blame It on the Boogie video, was

1745
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: that just like fifteen minutes out of your life?

1746
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 9: Like what do we do?

1747
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: We go over there, we dance, Okay, that's it, like

1748
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: and those are.

1749
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 4: Just effects we put on there afterwards?

1750
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, you know how long did that whole process

1751
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: take in Like just to record you just did like

1752
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: a couple of takes of it and then that was it. Yeah.

1753
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, all the all the work is really done in

1754
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 9: the editing room on a lot of those videos. Watch it,

1755
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 9: and it is done on a greens A lot of

1756
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 9: stuff is done on a green screen or a chroma key,

1757
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it, right, Yes, and I

1758
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 9: mean today they have it a lot easier. You can

1759
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 9: do stuff on your computer and everything is at your fingertips.

1760
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 9: But it wasn't that way back in the day, not

1761
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 9: at all.

1762
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 2: Who chose the musician personnel for those records? Because you

1763
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: guys had like the monsters, you had like feeling gains,

1764
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Nathan Watts and great feeling gains. Yeah, explain work with

1765
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: great feeling gains.

1766
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 4: Those guys basically hung out with her. They were like

1767
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 4: trends of ours.

1768
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 9: We hung out.

1769
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, we hung out a lot together, all of us. Williams,

1770
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 4: Ray Parker all the show. We all hang out. We

1771
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 4: all hung out together.

1772
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1773
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,759
Speaker 9: Ray Parker played on a lot of Jackson's material.

1774
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 2: You know David Williams, Yeah, he's David Is I feel

1775
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 2: like an extension of I mean, he's Billy Preston as

1776
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned.

1777
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: To you, guys, Beatles like his guitar sound is like.

1778
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 9: It is people even our band members. Man, David got

1779
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 9: some bad guitar leagues. You know, how did he get there?

1780
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 9: I said, we we told David what we wanted him

1781
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 9: to play. So so we we come up with a

1782
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 9: guitar in our head, and we tell him how to

1783
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 9: play it and how we wanted to sound, and and

1784
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 9: then we go back and what made that? David's the

1785
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 9: guitar playing They already had bite but to make, but

1786
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 9: to make it even stronger than what it was we were.

1787
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 10: He would he was a massive locking it down, locking it.

1788
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 10: He wouldn't lock it, but.

1789
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 4: He just like he would bite it when he played

1790
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 4: like he's like he's pulling the strings.

1791
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Sounds like that.

1792
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 10: Okay, David, we gotta do another take.

1793
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 9: Okay, wait a minute, let me get a pizza of

1794
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 9: my chicken. What he has some fried chicken on the side.

1795
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,839
Speaker 14: He liked to get these fingers.

1796
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: An, I know what I want to ask. Okay, I

1797
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: cheat it. I have the sim so I've heard it.

1798
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: I gotta know.

1799
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm assuming that because of how time has to

1800
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 2: be edited so that an entire album side can fit.

1801
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 2: Jackie on wondering who why was Michael's bridge taken out?

1802
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Was it just to cut? Was it just to cut

1803
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: or edit so that that.

1804
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 9: Let me explain what you tell. So the listener is

1805
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 9: gonna stand back. If you had too much low in

1806
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 9: and you try to master it, it'll spread and eat

1807
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 9: up more of the record. You have to master and

1808
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 9: get the right sounds and get everything. It's not that

1809
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 9: way today, but you know, and we go to Bernie

1810
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 9: Grub and mastering all he did all the mastering, and

1811
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 9: a lot of times we'd be in the studio. I mean,

1812
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 9: how many minutes is it? You know, because we only

1813
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 9: can put so many minutes on a record. Yeah, yeah,

1814
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 9: and if you got to sell, if you got a

1815
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 9: record like Shake your Body with a lot of low end,

1816
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 9: then your minutes get less because it's gonna eat up

1817
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 9: more space. And so we will always keep track of

1818
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 9: the time. Oh how much time that we had to

1819
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 9: put on there and get in there, and sometimes we

1820
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 9: had to make edits. That's right, so it'll fit.

1821
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 2: So my question is though, I mean, you know, walk

1822
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 2: right Now is a guardiange Wan time song seven minutes right,

1823
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 2: Like why not edit from walk right Now instead of

1824
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 2: taking like Michael's part out of wondering?

1825
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Who?

1826
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean, no one misses it because no one's ever

1827
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 2: heard it. But I thought that was a very curious

1828
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 2: edit and always wondered like.

1829
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 4: Why did you take his part out?

1830
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 2: Well, you could have saved twenty three minutes. You could

1831
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 2: have shaved twenty three seconds from walk right now.

1832
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 19: But instead you don't know that answer, No, Jackie, don't

1833
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 19: know that.

1834
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 9: It just happened. We weren't filling it and it was

1835
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 9: just happening. But on Walk right now, we wanted to

1836
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 9: capture it. Walk right now anyway, but we uh, we

1837
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 9: had the percussionist of Pauline or the Costa you said, Uh,

1838
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 9: it used to come in the studio and he have all.

1839
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 10: His toys around him and all that stuff, right, and

1840
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 10: so he's.

1841
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 9: Trying to get some sound. But yes, and he would

1842
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 9: be laughing playing but he can play his rump off

1843
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 9: and uh, and we want to make sure that we

1844
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 9: kept all the stuff. He did keep all the stuff

1845
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 9: and on walk right now, what we one of the

1846
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 9: things we did is we took the tape. We splice it,

1847
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 9: and we took the tape and we played it backwards.

1848
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so we because you.

1849
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 9: Know, computers today you can do whatever you want to do,

1850
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 9: but back in those days, but when you do that,

1851
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 9: you've got to make sure that it's insanc. You gotta

1852
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 9: be on the downbeat, and it takes. It took a

1853
01:36:57,880 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 9: while for us to get that down just the way

1854
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 9: we wanted so it could come right on the down boundary.

1855
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 9: It wasn't something that just happened like that. And we're

1856
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 9: breathing over the over the engineer to make sure he's

1857
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 9: splicing at the right time, right spot, because you don't

1858
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 9: get a chance, second chance right exactly, you know, And

1859
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 9: he's nervous and get the razor blade and you know,

1860
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 9: then Spice put it all back together and we listened

1861
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 9: to it. It ain't to down be okay. We got

1862
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 9: to come back reverse and put him you know, So

1863
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 9: it took.

1864
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 2: It took some time, you know what I mean, right,

1865
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 2: you know, No, I totally look Steve, I'm surprised Steve's

1866
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: not weighing in. Probably of any album that I've studied,

1867
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: the mixing and mastering of is probably the Triumph record.

1868
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: I asked, uh, well, yeah, the last couple of years

1869
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 1: of my life have been.

1870
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, for my fortieth I asked back when

1871
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 2: Nellie Reid was president of EPIC, if I could, if

1872
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 2: you could send me all the all the the stems

1873
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 2: so I could study, and yeah, walk Right Now had

1874
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 2: a lot of tracks on it, even that part with

1875
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 2: Da Costa's solo with all those percussion things like just

1876
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: the pain sticking, and you guys did it without pro.

1877
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Tools, so yeah, yeah, I know you guys had to

1878
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: make that ship up. Marlon.

1879
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 2: By this point, also you were doing producing yourself, working

1880
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 2: on a Betty Wright's record, in addition your sister Janet

1881
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 2: working on her. Like, what can you talk about your

1882
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 2: first four rays into outside producing?

1883
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 9: Well, don't stand another chance? Is is a song that

1884
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 9: Jump Barnes and I wrote?

1885
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: And can you also explain the cheryline connection with that.

1886
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 9: Because there's no Shirlene connection.

1887
01:38:56,240 --> 01:39:01,839
Speaker 2: Well, the I have a track of of a Sheerln

1888
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 2: song singing the same rhythm track, but just new lyrics

1889
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: of it. I never understood the difference between I've never

1890
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,959
Speaker 2: heard that. Yeah, it's called.

1891
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 4: Love, that's ques love. Chris got stuff you don't even have.

1892
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 9: Did you have been up on Mars?

1893
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: I actually asked.

1894
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 2: I was confused about it, and Jimmy Jim had told

1895
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 2: me there's yeah, there's a song that came out on

1896
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 2: on her Instant not the Instant Love album.

1897
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 1: But it's called Love Love Rush Love Rush. It's on

1898
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: the Preppy album.

1899
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 2: So I wanted to know, if you like, what was

1900
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 2: what was the working relationship with John Barnes as far

1901
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,719
Speaker 2: as putting that song together.

1902
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 9: We just came in and John John was playing this

1903
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 9: song and you wanted me to do the lyrics and

1904
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 9: and so I said, yeah, let's get it done.

1905
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 10: Let's do it.

1906
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 9: And so we worked on worked on it together. John

1907
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 9: and John, John Barnes and I used to hang.

1908
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 10: Out all the time. He used to come over to

1909
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 10: the house all the time.

1910
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 9: We're just start writing stuff and doing stuff.

1911
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: And working with with Betty Wright also that process.

1912
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 9: Betty, Betty is a Betty is a great person. She's ah,

1913
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 9: you know, rest in peace. She just passed away, right,

1914
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 9: but she she was. She's a great woman. She's a

1915
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 9: great singer too. And on that album, Luther did a

1916
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 9: lot of background stuff on that album before people knew

1917
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 9: who Luther Vandross was, you know. And I had a

1918
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 9: great time in the studio working with Betty. And you know,

1919
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 9: she's funny, she's she's a vocal coach as well. Uh,

1920
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 9: you know, and Betty knew every damn body you know,

1921
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 9: So when you needed something, she's a don't worry, I

1922
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 9: got it. You know, we're calling people to do stuff

1923
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 9: for us, and the end, uh. I called in John

1924
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 9: Barnes to come in because we had this band that

1925
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 9: was doing these tracks with us, and and the tracks

1926
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 9: kept swimming and the drama just couldn't keep time. And

1927
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 9: so the Limb machine, the drum limb machine had just

1928
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 9: come out, right, So I told John to stop at

1929
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 9: my house and grab my drum limb machine, because you know,

1930
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 9: I knew how to program that that machine to make

1931
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 9: drums sound like to make to make them sound like

1932
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 9: rest wrong, like real, like like real, real drums.

1933
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 10: And that's the whole key.

1934
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 9: I don't want to take it.

1935
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: Please, actually, Jackie for you as well, I know that

1936
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: your solo album came out in seventy three. Are you

1937
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: Are you even aware that Is It Him or Me?

1938
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 2: Is kind of held up in high regard and in

1939
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 2: sort of hip hop circles.

1940
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 1: That's kind of a.

1941
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 2: Well because it has a drum, a famous drum break

1942
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: on it that you know, an obscure album can suddenly

1943
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 2: become like uh no, no, no, no, it wasn't aware

1944
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: in active Okay, Yeah, I was going to say, like

1945
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 2: is it him or me? But I wanted to know

1946
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 2: about that song?

1947
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: Is that to you?

1948
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,879
Speaker 11: Just like it's funny you say that because I noticed

1949
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 11: my boys. I got twin boys here, they're very young, and.

1950
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 4: Over the last two weeks they've been playing that a

1951
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 4: lot in the house and I was hearing it, you know,

1952
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 4: I was upstairs. I was here, who's that singing? And

1953
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 4: it was me and you know, and my boys are

1954
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 4: like they're seven years old.

1955
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 15: You know.

1956
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 11: It's twin boys, and they play all of our all

1957
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 11: of our music, all right, But all of a sudden,

1958
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 11: they was playing my solo album. I haven't heard that

1959
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:46,440
Speaker 11: stuff in about twenty years, my solo stuff.

1960
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 3: Maybe longer than that.

1961
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,560
Speaker 11: And it was planning and I was really I was

1962
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 11: really grooving off of it, you know, thanks to them,

1963
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 11: but just bringing you know, to my attention.

1964
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 4: It sounds great, you.

1965
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,560
Speaker 11: Know, yeah, a lot a lot of time when I

1966
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 11: toured Aspect, how come you don't do these songs? You know,

1967
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 11: when I do the Meet and Wed, how come you're

1968
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 11: not doing these songs?

1969
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 15: You know?

1970
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: For again, for hip hop producers, like that album is one.

1971
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 4: Of the you know, yeah, it's one of those things that's.

1972
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 2: One of yeah, that just caught on. So for hip

1973
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: hop collectors, like is it Him or Me? Is like

1974
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 2: one of our one of our our favorite songs. But

1975
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 2: actually for the both of you, with you Marlon and

1976
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 2: with you Jackie working on Baby Tonight and your album

1977
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 2: was a be the one, what was what was that

1978
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 2: process like, like finally working on your solo albums in

1979
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 2: that time period like after the after the Victory album

1980
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 2: and and those things, like, what was what was that

1981
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,799
Speaker 2: process like for you working on those albums?

1982
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 9: For me, it was, well, I had a studio in

1983
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 9: the back of my house, so I'll get up in

1984
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 9: pajamas and just going to studios, spin off on a

1985
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 9: practice almost all night there and and just come up

1986
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 9: with a bunch of stuff or you know, in the

1987
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 9: studio and there's a lot of stuff that I have

1988
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 9: that was never released or you know, hasn't been out,

1989
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 9: and uh some good stuff too.

1990
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 10: I think I was playing some of some of it

1991
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 10: the other day, and.

1992
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 9: You know, you've been doing it all your life, so

1993
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 9: it's almost like second nature is not something you know

1994
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 9: that you whoa.

1995
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 10: It's like, Okay, got to get another project.

1996
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 9: Done, you got to do this. I mean, we grew

1997
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 9: up in the studio, we from from young kids to

1998
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 9: to now. So when you get in the studio, you

1999
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 9: you pretty much know the ins and out. You know,

2000
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 9: you how to work the boards, how to engineer this stuff.

2001
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 9: You know what you're looking for. So it was it

2002
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 9: wasn't it wasn't that difficult. But it's fun, especially when

2003
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:59,839
Speaker 9: you start working on some stuff for you for yourself.

2004
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 9: You know, you try to make it fun, but you

2005
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 9: want to make sure, you know, you try to capture what.

2006
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 10: You're looking for. But it was, it wasn't that difficult.

2007
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 10: I mean, you pretty much use.

2008
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 9: The same guys that you always used on the Destiny.

2009
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 9: You call in Greg Field and Games to play some stuff,

2010
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 9: David Williams to play some licks for you, some awesome

2011
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 9: stuff that you want to do. You know, you get

2012
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:23,759
Speaker 9: with Jerry Hale or somebody and give them the horned

2013
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 9: links you want to go right out the chart to do.

2014
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 4: Let me in on this.

2015
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 11: And one thing about these these artists that we had,

2016
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,839
Speaker 11: these these you know, like I said before, these artists,

2017
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 11: they they hung around us as friends, so they know

2018
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 11: everything about us.

2019
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 4: They know exactly what we were looking for.

2020
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:41,760
Speaker 14: Uh.

2021
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 11: They were friends of all. We hung out together, and

2022
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 11: we we went to dinner together. We did a lot

2023
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 11: of things. Matter of fact, they were our age. I

2024
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 11: mean they grew up with us, so everything came in

2025
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 11: the nature. It was easy, you know, quite easy.

2026
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 2: I was going to say, Marlon, one of one of

2027
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 2: the bands that I like is is Critical and I

2028
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 2: know that. Yeah, Fred Fred Mayer.

2029
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 1: The album with you?

2030
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 11: What was it?

2031
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: What was it like working with them?

2032
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 9: Fred was cool because it was my first time. Fred

2033
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 9: is One turned me onto the AD one. I don't

2034
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 9: know if you're familiar with the add one drums drum kit?

2035
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 9: Is it?

2036
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2037
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 9: It's the same kid that Phil Collins use on I

2038
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 9: can feel it in the air tonight.

2039
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 10: Yeah, is that is that sounding?

2040
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 9: And fred Fred Turm on that And a matter of fact,

2041
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 9: I bought one and we came up and we wrote

2042
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 9: a lot of stuff together. This I like screaty polity

2043
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 9: today you be doing your stuff? Huh.

2044
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 15: Like he.

2045
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 4: Had a sound.

2046
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 8: I got a whole scrits. I got to write that

2047
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 8: one down to.

2048
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 7: We talked about them on another episode. I can't remember

2049
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 7: it was. We went kind of deeply on them.

2050
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2051
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,799
Speaker 2: I was going to say, no, we're not just thriller

2052
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 2: bandwagoners like we're you know we we we know the

2053
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 2: whole spectrum of the entire work of you know, all

2054
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 2: all nine of you. Actually, wait a minute, we're talking

2055
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 2: about scary videos. The one we never mentioned it was

2056
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 2: freaking torture.

2057
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I yeah, I didn't. I didn't watch that one. Yeah,

2058
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 6: I didn't watch that one with.

2059
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Jackie the Eye in the HND. Why that was.

2060
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 10: To Torture is a great song?

2061
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 1: No, it was. It was a great song. But now

2062
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: I just think of and like the Slime.

2063
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 4: Story.

2064
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 11: We're on the Victory tour right the very beginning of

2065
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 11: the Victory Tour, and at the time I was dating

2066
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 11: Paul Abdul. At the time, I was the one who

2067
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 11: I was the one who got her in the industry.

2068
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 11: I mean when she was a Laker girl. I remember

2069
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 11: sitting on the floor all.

2070
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 10: The Abduchie did you get her?

2071
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 4: In the nasty video?

2072
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 11: Me and Marlin had see some Lake and see on

2073
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 11: the floors when Magic Johnson was doing their thing at

2074
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 11: the time, and I'm sitting on the floor and every

2075
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 11: day I'm on the floor, walks around every day before

2076
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 11: the game start.

2077
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 4: Dinzel would come over and say hello, tover we come for.

2078
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 11: He comes in Lake and I think, I think he

2079
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 11: just came off his first big movie, his first movie,

2080
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 11: and he would walk around the place and people really

2081
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 11: didn't know who he was, and he would come over

2082
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 11: and say hello to me.

2083
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,879
Speaker 4: But he's Dinzel today. But anyway, I'm sitting.

2084
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 11: On the floor and all of a sudden, Paula comes

2085
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,680
Speaker 11: over and another girl comes over, and they want an autograph,

2086
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 11: you know, And all of a sudden, I signed an

2087
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,839
Speaker 11: autograph and she goes back and sit behind the basket,

2088
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 11: well you know where the Laker girls sit. Me and

2089
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:02,719
Speaker 11: sit behind the basket, and all of a sudden, Sam

2090
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:06,800
Speaker 11: Watson come over and says, Jackie, Paula wants to know

2091
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 11: that you want to have coffee, you have to be

2092
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 11: a game.

2093
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 4: And I said, sure, go tell her.

2094
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2095
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 11: I made her after the game, and so we went

2096
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 11: to have some coffee and we became very good friends,

2097
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 11: you know, and we dated for like four years.

2098
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 14: You know.

2099
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 11: Next thing I know, she's doing Janet videos and put

2100
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 11: her with Janet. Me and John McLean put her the Janet.

2101
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 11: She's doing all the Janet stuff. And next thing, we

2102
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 11: go on the Victory tour and we have way in

2103
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 11: New York City. So we had a cattle call of people,

2104
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 11: maybe three hundred people to be in this video. And

2105
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 11: she helped me arrange the video for torture video. And

2106
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 11: all of a sudden, I said, paul I want you

2107
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 11: to choreograph this video.

2108
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 4: She said no. I said, Paula, I believe in you.

2109
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 4: You can do it. Don't be afraid. You can do this.

2110
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: And she did and she that's the first video she choreographed.

2111
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 4: She put it together.

2112
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, slime in everything, Yeah, yes, okay, oh okay. And

2113
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 1: subsequent well, I assume that she also did the body

2114
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: video as well, because that was well, it was kind

2115
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 1: of a video of a cat of the body.

2116
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 3: She didn't Oh.

2117
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 4: No, Michael Peters did that.

2118
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Oh Michael Peter, uh, the legendary Michael Peters.

2119
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, Michael Peters are bad.

2120
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 10: I don't care what peace man.

2121
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 8: And I asked for a question, and you guys were

2122
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 8: talking about bands.

2123
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 15: I just wanted to ask about your touring bands, because

2124
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 15: you imagine that, like whatever the audition process is must

2125
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 15: be a must be crazy to audition for the Jackson's.

2126
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 15: But I know I was lucky enough, Like I don't know,

2127
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 15: seven years ago, to be a production assistant on a

2128
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 15: Jackson's tour and you guys have yeah, But I went

2129
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,559
Speaker 15: to London with y'all. I went to the the Isle

2130
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 15: of Wight and I went to a lot I didn't like.

2131
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2132
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 15: I was helping out with Bill Brown and Nick and

2133
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 15: everybody gap helping you in the dressing rooms.

2134
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 8: Listen. I was on a hustle when you get fire

2135
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 8: from radio.

2136
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 14: You guys, do you know so.

2137
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 8: Because I love Bill Brown, I didn't know this, Yuay.

2138
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 8: I mentioned the CEO because I took a whole.

2139
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: Stel fle Yeah. I tour with the Jackson's, you know.

2140
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 15: One time I worked for the Jackson's and it was

2141
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 15: just amazing to see that, Like the band that y'all

2142
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 15: formed was not only just some of them were young,

2143
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:40,600
Speaker 15: like your music director of Brandon at the time, he

2144
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 15: was like thirty early maybe thirty.

2145
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 8: Right, but just a dynamic, amazing, stupendous band. And you

2146
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 8: combined it with some ogs. But can you just talk

2147
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 8: about the process now for to put together a Jackson band.

2148
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Who's playing bass? By the way, in your current band.

2149
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 8: Brandon is young. Brandon, I want to Oscar when he

2150
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 8: was for three six Mafia.

2151
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, killing.

2152
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 8: And your drummer and your drummer and your percussionists.

2153
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

2154
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, but what is the process now? But what's the

2155
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 8: process now? How did you how do you decide who's

2156
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 8: good enough.

2157
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 4: To well, you know, you know, you know when those

2158
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 4: guys come in, they come in knowing the music. They

2159
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,560
Speaker 4: come in playing it because they grew up on it.

2160
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 6: We had years to learn it.

2161
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:33,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, they come in knowing the stuff. You know

2162
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 11: when they started playing. Oh my god, these young cauts,

2163
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 11: how do they know this stuff like this?

2164
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 10: You know, and they grew up playing you know. Yeah,

2165
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,640
Speaker 10: you just polish him up a little bit, but they

2166
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 10: pretty much what.

2167
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 15: And another question says, you guys are going to steal

2168
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 15: tour right after COVID because y'all have been touring. Okay,

2169
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:56,519
Speaker 15: so can you tell people your routines? Your dance routine

2170
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 15: seemed the exact same. I mean from the freeze that

2171
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 15: you talked about, like everything y'all do your bodies move

2172
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 15: the exact same? Is it the exact same? And how

2173
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 15: do y'all maintain that? Tito gave me some quick like

2174
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 15: this is just what we do. Answer, But I know,

2175
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 15: Marlon and Jacket.

2176
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,600
Speaker 11: It is you know, you know, once once we you know,

2177
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 11: we can pay all stage for the longest time, and

2178
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:20,839
Speaker 11: once we get together, somehow it just comes together.

2179
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 4: It comes that way because we've been doing it for

2180
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 4: so long. We just know each other's moves. We know,

2181
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 4: matter of fact, we know where Michael would be on stage.

2182
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 11: You know, any given time, we know exactly where he

2183
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 11: would be on that stage, even today if we go

2184
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 11: in the States, you know, and that's how it works.

2185
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 4: We just it just works that way.

2186
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 15: How do you make sure your bodies are still able

2187
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 15: to keep up with these moves on the daily?

2188
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 9: Well sometimes, you know, you know, when you're on stage,

2189
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 9: if you try to if you think of a move

2190
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 9: and try to do it, it doesn't work.

2191
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 10: That when you just got to feel it and you

2192
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 10: do it and don't think about it.

2193
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:00,600
Speaker 4: That's that's the bottom of the line, you know.

2194
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 6: Yea, brothers, y'all take vitamins and things or like yeah, yeah,

2195
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Speaker 6: we did.

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01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 4: We stay in shape.

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01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 11: And plus you know, like our show is like a

2198
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 11: high energy show and it's like working out. To me,

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01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 11: he could work out because I get a break, workout

2200
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 11: aspire a lot, but only yes, Plus you get.

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01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:16,599
Speaker 4: A check at the end. Of the day.

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01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 6: But you know, it's just talk about it.

2203
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 4: It's like it's like going to the gym. You know,

2204
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 4: it's like it's a great workout for we love it.

2205
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 9: The main key, the main kids, make sure you get

2206
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 9: your rests. We do not go out and party at

2207
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 9: clubs after We never did day all night.

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01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 4: We never did.

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01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 10: We go to bed and get our rest.

2210
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 9: So we can be ready to go the next day. Yeah.

2211
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 7: I was s curious to know too, like y'all's you know,

2212
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 7: because y'all were raised Jovah's witness, and I was scarious

2213
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 7: to know how your parents at that time, you know,

2214
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 7: when y'all were kids and just throughout your career, how

2215
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 7: much did your faith play in you know, I guess

2216
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,680
Speaker 7: developing that discipline that you guys talk about. And how

2217
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 7: did your parents say, Okay, y'all, can you got your career,

2218
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 7: but you also will have to I guess worship in

2219
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 7: whatever way.

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01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 6: How did y'all strike about us?

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01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 9: Well, my mom was different long as you had some

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01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 9: type of spiritual belief or whatever, but they understood that

2223
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 9: uh dollar Bill's got you out of Gary.

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01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 6: Let's talk about it.

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01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 9: But we say, but what I loved about my mam

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01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 9: is that she didn't try to force the religion. Yeah, uh,

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01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 9: you know Jehovah Williams, because when I got married, you know,

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01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 9: I I became a Catholic and a Catholic church all

2229
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 9: the time, and things.

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01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 10: Got My wife.

2231
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 9: As long as you had some type of belief and

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01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 9: and God in your life and tried to do the

2233
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 9: right thing, she was comfortable with that. Now my sister,

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01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 9: my sister reb she's different, she's still she thought and

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01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 9: washed towels that.

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01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 11: You and Michael. And Michael was baptized too. Michael got baptized.

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01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 11: He was baptized at one time, and he told me

2238
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 11: to story that he was really serious. It was a Saturday,

2239
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 11: you know how Joe Woodness knocked on the door and

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01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 11: talked to West towner. So Michael knocked on this girl's door.

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01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 11: She opened the door and realized it was him, and

2242
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 11: she started peeing. He said, she started peeing, right, she.

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01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 1: You know what to do.

2244
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:26,480
Speaker 11: He told me, he's trying to teach her about Jehovah,

2245
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 11: the God, Jehovah God, right, and she's realizing, but she

2246
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 11: just stopped.

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01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 4: This is a true story, yeah, true story.

2248
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 1: That is our clip for this episode.

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01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,440
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see it animated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was really serious.

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01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 11: Bill Brave was waiting for him, because Bill Brave, you know,

2252
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:57,480
Speaker 11: he would go waiting at times, you know, standing standing

2253
01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 11: over the corner and wait for him, you know, and

2254
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 11: and he would throw out and people. It was kind

2255
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 11: of hard for him to do that at the time,

2256
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 11: but he did it, you know, and so and so

2257
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 11: some of the things he really wanted to do, he

2258
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 11: had to get out of the faith, you know, he

2259
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 11: had to get out of your witness due to really

2260
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 11: do his thing where he really wanted to go.

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01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never going to get that visual up. Oh,

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01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 1: thank you, Jackie. I appreciate that. I can ask questions forever.

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01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: Have you guys have done your questions?

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01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 8: I got one family question.

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01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 15: I want to know throughout your lives and actually now

2267
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 15: post Roona, how you guys maintained speaking to each other,

2268
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 15: how you guys maintain because it's eight it's eight of

2269
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:43,800
Speaker 15: y'all Jackson family, right, we.

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01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,280
Speaker 11: Do this sometimes like we're doing right now. And sometimes

2271
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:48,280
Speaker 11: Tito would come in my house. I'll be Tito at

2272
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 11: a park, you know, we meet, you know, his wife

2273
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 11: and my wife we meet with the kids and at

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01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 11: a park, you know, we do that sometimes. And because

2275
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 11: it's it's really serious out there, you know, with this coronavirus,

2276
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 11: and you gotta be real, real care, especially.

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01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 4: In California this way.

2278
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 8: Yes, that's.

2279
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 4: It's tough. You gotta I mean, you have to mess up,

2280
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 4: keep your hands clean. And that's what we do so far.

2281
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 4: So far, I'm good. How is Rebe?

2282
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:15,240
Speaker 9: Ma?

2283
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 4: Reebe's doing well.

2284
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 13: She lives with my mom.

2285
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 4: She stayed with my mom.

2286
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 11: Watch my mom, my, mam and Reebe together and I

2287
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,800
Speaker 11: love it. They're decorating the house right now, doing it

2288
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 11: all over again.

2289
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 4: And that's what my mom is doing.

2290
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 11: She's so alert. You're talking to my mom. You think

2291
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 11: she's around forty years old?

2292
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 4: Yo, your mom?

2293
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:33,920
Speaker 8: How old is she now, Jackie, she'll be.

2294
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 1: Ninety one May fourth, ninety Yeah, that's amazing.

2295
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 10: She's ninety now.

2296
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:45,280
Speaker 14: She'd be ninety one. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. She's doing.

2297
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

2298
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 4: I'm happy when she wake up every morning, you know,

2299
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 4: happy to see her.

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01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 1: My last question was I know that you guys often

2301
01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: talk about like you guys try to get together as

2302
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 1: a family and all that, but with the kids, until

2303
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: how how hard is it to organize Jackson family reunions.

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01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 14: Right now?

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01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Does that still happen?

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01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 3: Not right now?

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01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 4: It's very difficult to do that right now. Right now

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01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 4: is very before. We do it all the time.

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01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:21,680
Speaker 8: Three hundred Jackson Street. The video that was like real life, Yes.

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01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 1: To be the person that cooks that food.

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01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 8: Okay, they got somebody.

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01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 2: No, you know what, I met your I met the

2313
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 2: I met your dessert maker, the woman that makes all

2314
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 2: the cakes and I forget her.

2315
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 4: Name he's talking about.

2316
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 1: He's talking about she makes this German chocolate cake that's.

2317
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 14: Out of Come on, you know Cordia.

2318
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 1: Cordia, Cordia.

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01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cordia. Not only what she does for will Smith too.

2320
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:55,839
Speaker 1: No, she does for everybody.

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01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 2: Like, uh, she came to a Janet show and she's

2322
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 2: snub I think at the time, Jane's like, I'm not

2323
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 2: supposed to have this, and she snuck her like a

2324
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:09,520
Speaker 2: Kate coochy like real cover It' style, like back Alley

2325
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 2: Deals sort of thing. And then she introduced herself to

2326
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 2: me and I was like, oh, you've been making cakes

2327
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 2: with the Jackson's how long?

2328
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 1: And then she med, well, now she's official. Man, she's

2329
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 1: she's great, amazing, amazing question quest.

2330
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 11: Can I say something? Yeah, I'd like to thank you man.

2331
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 11: You've been so supportive in my family. We would go

2332
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 11: to we would go to uh fight Star hotels. Right,

2333
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 11: we walk into hotels and on the coffee table be

2334
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 11: this big coffee book, right.

2335
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:44,440
Speaker 4: And I opened it up. It's you and there you

2336
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 4: in the book. Really, there's a lot of hotels.

2337
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:50,640
Speaker 11: You were inside the book and you're standing there with

2338
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:54,720
Speaker 11: all Jackson parafamilia all all over the place with the

2339
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 11: Jackson's albums.

2340
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 4: And I would see this and that's how I learned

2341
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:02,840
Speaker 4: that you were you know, I think, yeah, I mean,

2342
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 4: I said, thank this guy.

2343
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 9: You know, the biggest the biggest picture I saw was

2344
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,600
Speaker 9: in Heartbreak Hotel. Not just kidding.

2345
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:18,960
Speaker 4: And I see yo for real in London. Everywhere we go,

2346
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 4: we see you in these books.

2347
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:20,640
Speaker 15: Man.

2348
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 4: On the coffee table, there's London hotels.

2349
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must get around everywhere. You know you guys,

2350
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 1: you guys are you know our first superheroes.

2351
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm roll to you man, like literally, you'll music

2352
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:40,040
Speaker 7: has been a part of my life. I'm for to

2353
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 7: your music has been You've been Your music has been

2354
02:01:42,200 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 7: a part of my life, like my whole life, like

2355
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:48,160
Speaker 7: I don't ever remember point of my life not knowing

2356
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 7: a Jackson song or hearing the music in my house

2357
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 7: or my mother playing or whatever. And na, man, I

2358
02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 7: just give you'all brother's flowers, love y'allowers.

2359
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:03,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, except giving was right now give it.

2360
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 15: And I remind people again when we go outside, go

2361
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:15,640
Speaker 15: see the Jackson's live it is just like it was ten, fifteen,

2362
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 15: twenty thirty four.

2363
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 8: It's a it's all the same, yes, just the same

2364
02:02:18,920 --> 02:02:20,040
Speaker 8: as gentlemen.

2365
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for this podcast. I really appreciate Tito.

2366
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:30,360
Speaker 1: Can I ask one final question? Mark hell I it

2367
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 1: came out.

2368
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:35,440
Speaker 5: Now just you don't often get a chance to ask

2369
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 5: motown legends who their favorite Motown legends are. So I'm

2370
02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 5: just wondering who, like, as on a personal level, who

2371
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 5: your favorite Motown artist or band was, if you could

2372
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:49,280
Speaker 5: just pick one, well project besides the J five'll.

2373
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 11: Be Barbie Gay, yeah, marm Tito. For me, it's like

2374
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:58,880
Speaker 11: the Temptations. They they're the ones who really we watched

2375
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,760
Speaker 11: a lot of Temptations it was and Dinah Ross. I

2376
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,200
Speaker 11: hate to say it, I got I got to bring

2377
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 11: her up.

2378
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 4: I have to and the Pips.

2379
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:11,560
Speaker 10: Yeah no, no, no, squad.

2380
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:19,120
Speaker 1: Actually, wait, everybody wait.

2381
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Steve actually brought up something that we normally asked and

2382
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:23,560
Speaker 2: I didn't ask Stevie.

2383
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, Okay, I'm sorry. Of course, cousin Stevie.

2384
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,160
Speaker 10: Marvi gave my thing.

2385
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 1: I was going to say, uh, well, normally.

2386
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 2: Steve asked this question. But when you guys were in

2387
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 2: that in Senio house, what was the record collection?

2388
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 11: Like?

2389
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Oh, and where is it now?

2390
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:43,560
Speaker 14: Like?

2391
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:49,640
Speaker 1: How big was the record collection? And who decided what

2392
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 1: got played?

2393
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:53,960
Speaker 9: We will had our own record collection, I believe.

2394
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:55,160
Speaker 10: I mean I listened.

2395
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,520
Speaker 9: I mean I got a lot of Quincy Jones albums.

2396
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:04,600
Speaker 9: I had Marvin's Distant Lovers album. I had Backstabbers, Hell

2397
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 9: Mervyn and the Blue Notes eight Yes, Yes, deliver tracks

2398
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 9: Science still Delivered, and we, you know, had the stuff

2399
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:17,800
Speaker 9: on cassettes.

2400
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 10: Y'all forgot about cassettes, you know, so we you know, Jackie, Jackie,

2401
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:27,040
Speaker 10: it's a blessing to see these numbers.

2402
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 9: I know a lot of jumpers don't get to see

2403
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:35,600
Speaker 9: these numbers, but uh, you know, we listened. We listened

2404
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:37,960
Speaker 9: to all kinds of music, I mean country, Western music.

2405
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:39,840
Speaker 15: Uh did.

2406
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:44,840
Speaker 10: All kinds of it all because great music is great music.

2407
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:48,520
Speaker 10: I don't care what genre is is you know great music.

2408
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:50,560
Speaker 4: It's just great music, you know.

2409
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:54,400
Speaker 1: Amen? Okay, Well, and.

2410
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 4: Having said that, I'm Blad Jackson.

2411
02:04:56,200 --> 02:05:02,080
Speaker 9: You on the Quest Love Show. Babies who need the show?

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