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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. Line here

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Speaker 1: hosts Quest Lot. Uh. We have teams Supreme with us.

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Speaker 1: We have unpaid bill. Yes, there you are. How you

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Speaker 1: doing sugar Stea even now? How you doing him? Mayor? Hi?

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Speaker 2: Jackson?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yes?

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Speaker 3: We have a fo yeah man buzzing down, a saturn

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Speaker 3: and a and a crab cake. I'm sorry because you

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Speaker 3: know I'm watching trying to watch my figures and all day.

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Speaker 1: I said to let you know, I give it up.

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Speaker 4: I had it on blast before.

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Speaker 1: I can't waiting on this all day. Bro Parably, we

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Speaker 1: have the first lady of the show. How are you

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Speaker 1: right now? Be good?

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Speaker 5: Okay, we got a paper? Can you feel yet here?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen, I will just say that we're

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Speaker 1: given the honor right now of having a conversation with

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Speaker 1: an American I guess I can say an American institution, Yes,

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Speaker 1: an American dynasty. For over damn near six decades, our

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Speaker 1: guests have blazed a trail of hit records, have sold

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Speaker 1: out concerts of Disney and choreography of groundmaking videos. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I'll be pressed to find one human being on Earth

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Speaker 1: who's not, in one way, shape or form, been affected

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Speaker 1: by their legacy. And it's apropos that they're on the

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Speaker 1: show now their entire sony catalog has just caught up

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Speaker 1: with their motown catalog, and that they're self titled seventy

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Speaker 1: seventy eight have found, after all these decades, gotten the

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Speaker 1: remastered treatment finally on stream platforms, and you know, basically

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Speaker 1: words I'd never thought I'd say in this lifetime. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest Left Supreme the Jacksons.

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Speaker 4: Yes, what's that question?

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Speaker 1: All right? So you know, slight disclosure, we were cheated

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Speaker 1: already by talking to Tito. Actually what our second episode? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Since since we've been the iHeart right our second episode,

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Speaker 1: so this might be rerun city, but I, you know,

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Speaker 1: figure I figure out creative ways to ask these questions.

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Speaker 1: I guess my My first question off the bat is

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Speaker 1: if one says twenty three hundred Jackson Street, what is

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Speaker 1: your first immediate memory that comes to mind automatically?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is Morland, So I gonna jump in first.

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Speaker 2: Since I'm the youngest out of the out of the

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Speaker 2: three here, you should be this should be the last one.

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Speaker 2: No brother, not in these days.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that house on twenty three hundred Jackson Street, That

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Speaker 2: our house in Gary, Indiana. The first thing that pops

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Speaker 2: in mind to me that that huge house when I

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Speaker 2: was young, and when I go back to visit that

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Speaker 2: little house that we all grew up in and we

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Speaker 2: all practice. That's where we got our start from from

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Speaker 2: that house on the corner of twenty three hundred Jackson Street.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that as a young as a youngster,

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Speaker 1: you thought that that was an average sized house.

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Speaker 2: No, that was a mansion when we were young. Wow, Yes,

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Speaker 2: it sure was. We did everything in that house, played

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Speaker 2: hide and seek and rehearse We put the pull the

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Speaker 2: It was only a two bedroom house, were eleven people,

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Speaker 2: but we managed to make it work. Marlin's garage is

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Speaker 1: Right now, Jackie, what do you what are your memories

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Speaker 1: of twenty three hundred Jackson Street.

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Speaker 6: Well, like Marlon said, you know, it's a place where

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Speaker 6: we all grew up in the house and a lot

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Speaker 6: of fun memories there loving parents and we love each other.

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Speaker 6: We were bonded together. We had a two bedroom house

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Speaker 6: and uh, and I remember, you know, in our bedroom

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Speaker 6: like five days, like the three sah yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 6: my sisters, my sisters, they all slept in the living room.

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Speaker 6: There was a count's bed that let out, and my

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Speaker 6: mother and father slept in the other bedroom. But there

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Speaker 6: was a lot of love with a lot of rehearsing

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Speaker 1: It was just an open door policy, like one could

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Speaker 1: come to the window, not walk inside the house.

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Speaker 2: And no, you can walk inside the route. No, they

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Speaker 2: to look we were doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, usually and they're watching these rehearsals. Then how how

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Speaker 1: long would these rehearsals last? For a couple of hours.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, two hours at least, Yeah, sometime three, you know,

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Speaker 6: so we get it right, we take a break and

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: Okay, because most of the time we had rehearsals prior

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Speaker 7: weekdays after school. We're rehearsed and go to that gig

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Speaker 7: about seven o'clock in the evening in Chicago, what have you?

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Speaker 2: Then be back, get back home somewhere around one to

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Speaker 2: which I did not mind because when we were when

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Speaker 2: we played shows in Chicago, people would throw money on stage,

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Speaker 2: and so Michael and I, you know, we're doing splits

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Speaker 2: So when I went to school, we used to stop

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Speaker 1: In the second grade. Okay, I had a dollar. Wait,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know, I got five.

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Speaker 2: Penny, Tino, you got five for a penny back in

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know that you guys were an official five

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Speaker 1: some uh what sixty five? But back when the group

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Speaker 1: was just a trio back when it's just Jackie, Tito

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Speaker 1: and Jermaine. What was the what was the arrangement of

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Speaker 1: the group then, before Marlon and Michael came along, Like.

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Speaker 7: Well, we were just basically a bedroom group. We hadn't

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Speaker 7: done anything out in the public or anything like that.

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Speaker 7: We were just three brothers trying to be the brothers Temptations.

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Speaker 2: Trying to figure it out, trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 4: Trying trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 7: How did temptation sound like this or the Miracles or whoever.

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Speaker 7: We were just putting to get you know, getting it together.

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Speaker 1: But in a trio situation, who was the lead person?

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Speaker 1: Who was the in that particular situation at that time.

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Speaker 6: Jermaine was singing a lot of leads because we were

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Speaker 6: all singing at that time too. But uh, later on

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Speaker 6: you know the Quaker oat millboxes. Oh wow, he called

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Speaker 6: to playing the Bungos on that Michael did, and uh,

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Speaker 6: he has so much him and Marlin had so much

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Speaker 6: dancing ability, the energy. So we decided, hey man, we

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so.

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Speaker 6: That's how that started, you know, and so let me

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Speaker 6: shove them in the group. And then we started doing

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Speaker 6: all these talent shows, you know, all these talent shows.

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Speaker 6: In time for my high school, we had a lot

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Speaker 6: of talent shows going on. We were join these talent shows,

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Speaker 6: rehearsing for the talent shows, and we would win these

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Speaker 6: talent shows all all over the regional part of the state,

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Speaker 6: And on these shows that with Denise Williams when the

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Speaker 6: fire was on some of these shows, and you know,

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Speaker 6: these talent shows like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was going to say, yeah, one one

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Speaker 1: of the Hutchinson of the Emotions, Yeah, and Sheila I

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Speaker 1: believe as well, told us that they would often run

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Speaker 1: into you guys doing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we did.

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Speaker 2: We did what they called the chilling circuit. And actually

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Speaker 2: not only them, the O Jay's, it was the Shotlights

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Speaker 2: we used to do a place in Chico called the

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Speaker 2: High Chaparral and Maurice White was with another band and

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Speaker 6: It was the drummer was the drummer Box.

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Speaker 4: Simmons was the name of that band. It was Yes Simmons.

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Speaker 2: And when we did do those places one time I

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Speaker 2: remember so well, pig Meat Markham was the main act

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Speaker 2: and they would have us on the judge. Yeah. And

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Speaker 2: when we did the the Apollo, you know amateur stuff

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Speaker 2: you had Moms Maybley or Edda James where the acts

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Speaker 2: came on Amateur Night and did our thing and people

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Speaker 2: enjoyed us. How many shows we used to do mar

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Speaker 2: what seven shows a night or something seven shows a day? Yeah, yeah, day.

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Speaker 1: Really, so you would do Amateur Night each time around

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Speaker 6: Where's Amateur Knight?

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Speaker 2: It was then? And then we then we would do

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Speaker 2: the talent shows and the Five stair Steps. Uh. We

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Speaker 2: had a rivalry I guess between us and the Five

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Speaker 2: Stairsteps and Michael would cry.

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Speaker 6: Michael would cry his butt off because you know, sometime

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Speaker 6: before that came on before us, you know, the crowd

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Speaker 6: I think they were there and Michael would cry, if

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Speaker 6: you forget, they're gonna do the same thing to him.

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Speaker 6: So we would try to comments and might just do

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Speaker 6: throwing eggs on him on stead grabbing a hook and

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Speaker 6: hooking them off stage.

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Speaker 2: That's what That's what the.

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Speaker 1: Sim I was gonna say. I know that. Well, of

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Speaker 1: course everyone knows the legend of the Apollo, But for

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Speaker 1: those other spots that were in the chintling circuit, like

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Speaker 1: either the Regent or the Uptown in Philly or the

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Speaker 1: Fox in Detroit, was it also the same way, like

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Speaker 1: if you were new you were someone booing you off

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Speaker 1: the stage or anything, or was that just the Apollo,

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Speaker 1: Like could you relax if you if you were at

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Speaker 4: It was more so as Paula. But they believe if

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Speaker 4: you're not good.

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Speaker 7: Regal Theater or wherever uptown, they're gonna bull you.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: But but people don't play.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: That happened to the Jackson though.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, yeah, we never got the booth. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: so uh, we were scared of the booth. So we

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Speaker 7: did the best that we could do. I say, stay

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Speaker 7: away from that book.

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Speaker 1: Wait, yes, Tito, the world kind of knows the story

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Speaker 1: of you discovering your your father's guitar. But I always

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Speaker 1: wanted to know how was Jermaine able to learn the bass?

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Speaker 1: Was it? Is it a similar situation like who taught

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Speaker 1: him how to play the bass?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: I gave Jamaine based guitar lessons on the bass, based

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Speaker 7: notes on the guitar, She'd say, because when my father

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Speaker 7: bought him the second guitar, he started playing the guitar

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Speaker 7: that I was sneaking from my father and I was showing,

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Speaker 7: you know, the little things on the on the on

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Speaker 8: Like you said, you were so young, Like, how did

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Speaker 7: We all wanted to be like Jackie Wilson and James

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Speaker 2: But don't don't get us wrong, there were times that

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Speaker 1: We did. Did you play any sports in school?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a sport.

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Speaker 2: Or keep us occupied, keep us, keep us from of

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Speaker 2: Well, there were gangs then lurking to recruit new young members.

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Speaker 4: No, no, there was a lot of gangs around Garry.

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Speaker 4: They were shooting.

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Speaker 7: You're cann be it on your porch at night because

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Speaker 4: And all of a sudden you started hear.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of gang activity around.

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Speaker 6: But the gates the games never didn't mess with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah with you guys, Yeah, making some positive noise. I

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, were you guys first generation Gary, Indiana?

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, my parents aren't from there, but they

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Speaker 7: I never my mother's from from Arkansas and now my

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Speaker 4: My mother's from Alabama.

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Speaker 1: What city.

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Speaker 2: She's a Bama girl. You know, I think I don't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was a mobile.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Columbus.

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Speaker 5: Either way. Her childhood was but so sweet.

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Speaker 4: My father from Little Ross.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, oh wow, I read once your that your mom.

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Speaker 6: What happened was with that, you know at that time,

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Speaker 2: He said, Kate can't, He said, Joe boy.

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Speaker 1: So when you guys were kids, was he gigging at

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Speaker 2: It slide in the family stone, yes, lining everybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Marlin, I know that you brought it up earlier,

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Speaker 1: But what yeah, what was Mister Lucky's a strip club

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Speaker 2: It was a little nightclub that was Jaroniana and they

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Speaker 6: And those are the shows that Michael and Marlin would

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, we've we've heard different accounts, but

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Speaker 1: I've talked to Gladys Knight and she told me she

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Speaker 6: Mama know about it?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that damn Cheaching Chong like Motown or

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna set the record straight. I'm gonna set the record.

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Speaker 6: Well, well, well, we played a concert in Gary, Indiana

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Speaker 2: So she happened she saw us on the.

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Speaker 6: Concert and she went back to Barry Gordon to Barry Gordon,

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Speaker 6: there's some guys in Indiana that's that's incredible. You've got

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Speaker 6: to sign these kids. It was Gladys who discovered us first,

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Speaker 6: said the same exact thing with both of those people.

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Speaker 6: But Dinah Ross was his biggest artist. He's the one

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Speaker 1: Its us to the World Marketing presenting.

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Speaker 6: It was Gladys Knight and Barbetary was the ones who

443
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 6: discovered us.

444
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: That's true, all right, well, true story, They're true moving

445
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: moving to Los Angeles from Gary, Indiana. How how much

446
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: of a fish out of water situation was that for

447
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: you guys as far as uh watching what the world

448
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: that you see on television?

449
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 6: Which is hot because I used to watch all the

450
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 6: football games, and all the football games we got Chicago Bears,

451
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 6: we got Cleveland Browns, and snowing outside freeze and then

452
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 6: they were shown in an afternoon game there would show

453
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 6: San Diego Chargers, Alle's Rams. Right, so I'm watching TV.

454
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 6: I'm in the snow freezing my butt off, and I'm

455
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 6: watching TV seeing all these people. They show the palm

456
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 6: trees and show the people in the stands having a

457
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 6: great time. I said, that's where I want to go.

458
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 6: I want to go to Los Angeles. I don't know

459
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 6: how I'm going to get there, but that's where I'm

460
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 6: going to go. That's where I want to live. That's

461
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 6: what I said to about So I don't know, yeah,

462
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: I don't know how I'm going to get there. And

463
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 6: some kind of way, we were signed with Motown and

464
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 6: Verry going to decide it to move his office over

465
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 6: to Los Angeles because he wants to get into the

466
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 6: film business, right, you know, so he moved his whole

467
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 6: entire office from Detroit. He still had office, he still

468
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 6: had office in Detroit, but then moved his operation to

469
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 6: Los Angeles, California, and he bought us over there with him.

470
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: Was there ever talk of you guys moving to Detroit first?

471
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: To be matter of fact, we did go to Detroit.

472
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 6: It was in Detroit recording our music first and then

473
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 6: we went on to We was how long were we

474
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 6: in Detroit?

475
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 1: About a year?

476
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 6: Two years guys recording, about a year.

477
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: We signed with We signed with Motown in nineteen sixty eight,

478
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: but we told everybody, and people didn't believe it were

479
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: because we didn't have any music out. It took over

480
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: a year before we even got in the studio.

481
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, longer than that moment.

482
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: Oh okay. So some of that first album was recorded

483
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: at the the Hitsfield studio.

484
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a lot of it, Yeah, a lot of it.

485
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: The Tempts and all of them would come around.

486
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 6: We would see all those casts, all those people would

487
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 6: come around and give us all kinds of support and

488
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 6: they was, you know, sending hello to us, and Jermaine

489
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 6: was trying to hit on Barry Gordy's door at the time.

490
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: Jamames you succeeded. Yes, one question I had.

491
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: If I'm Jackie, you're the oldest, you may have the

492
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: best memory of it. I was always curious to know

493
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 3: about the corporation Freddy Parry and Larry Mizell.

494
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Do you have any riches of working with those guys

495
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: Deep Richards.

496
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 6: They had just got out of they had just got

498
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 6: up college from Howard the University, just graduate from Howard University,

499
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 6: and they were incredible. There were incredible musician songwriters, and

500
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 6: Barry Gordy put them with us and we used.

501
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: To laugh at pretty pears and finds myself because they

502
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: were We would go into the studio, we see them

503
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: and they on a little mope head scooter, two of them, right, yeah,

504
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: you know yeah yeah, and we pass them up on

505
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: the street and they were coming to the studio. But

506
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: they had to hit.

507
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: A lot of our especially from a hip hop perspective.

508
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think a lot of people, uh

509
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: are contemporaries even equate that. You know, the Mazel Brothers

510
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: their their seventies and all the stuff that they did

511
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: on Blue Note Records, you know, with Donald Bird and

512
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: even the stuff they did with like a Taste of

513
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Honey and all that stuff, like, I don't think they

514
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: even equate that these are the same guys that also

515
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: wrote I Want You Back, I want you Back in

516
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: all those.

517
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 6: Things, love you Say and all that. Oh yeah, they were.

518
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: Incredible and they don't even know that their nephew was

519
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: jam Master J from Run DMC. They never put two

520
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: and two together with that. But yeah, so yeah, I

521
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: was gonna say, when you first get to Motown, what

522
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: is what is the basic uh work operation as far

523
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: as you guys learning songs?

524
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: Because well, let me be, let me, let me bag

525
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: it up for you. I think you find it interesting.

526
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: From from from Gary, Indiana, mm hmm. We went to

527
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: Detroit to audition for Barry Cordy, right, and so we

528
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: did a lot of Motown songs. And so Barry had

529
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: this huge house, had a golf course in the backyard

530
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: and the back nine head indoor swimming pool. You go

531
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: down downstairs for all all the gangs. And so we

532
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: get into Michael and I playing in the pool having

533
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: a great time. Jackie walking around. Biden is nails damn

534
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: it ate up his fingers because he was so nervous

535
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: and he used to get after Michael and I this

536
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: is serious, guy, this is our chance. You'll fooling around

537
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: playing with all the games and stuff. Get serious. I

538
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: mean we were kids, and all of a sudden we

539
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: get ready to do our show.

540
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 6: We all of us were back, all of our equipment

541
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 6: was set up around the pool.

542
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 7: Jackie let me back up because Martins, we had already

543
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 7: auditioned from Hotown the day before. Very decided, yeah, I

544
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 7: want to sign these kids. So he acts. He said,

545
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 7: tomorrow's Dining Ross's birthday. I'm having a party for her

546
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 7: at my house, and.

547
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: I want you guys to perform.

548
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: And so we round the at this party.

549
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: Tell him who was at the party. Man.

550
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: We run the pool waiting and we do a lot

551
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: of more times, and all of a sudden, I see

552
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: Marvin Gate come to the Temps. The Temps walk through

553
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: the door. Then Daniel ros Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, the

554
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: four Times come through the door.

555
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: And we've got to sing their songs. That's all the

556
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 6: songs we knew, that's all the big hits.

557
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: On the radio.

558
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 6: We didn't have any new original material. Were singing all

559
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 6: these Motown songs in front.

560
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: Of their right David roughing, come in.

561
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Wow, you know this is the first time you made.

562
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the first time. We mean yeah, first time,

563
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: and this is their first time seeing us and we're

564
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: doing their stuff.

565
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: I assume that the show went well because you're here

566
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: right now talking about it. Yes, try out by fire.

567
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 8: How much you older? Were guys like Marvin Gay and

568
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 8: Smoky than you at that time?

569
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 4: All they had about fifteen, ten and fifteen years?

570
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: Yes?

571
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 1: Should should they were. Stevie was kind of appear right,

572
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of.

573
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, I think Jackie, you were like fifteen

574
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: or sixty at the time.

575
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: I heard your sister mentioned that Stevie actually might be

576
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: related to you guys. Is that true.

577
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: He's on my mom's side of Yes.

578
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: When did y'all find this out?

579
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that my first cousin. Second,

580
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: you got to ask my mom. But all this is

581
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: to me, this is funny because we were we were

582
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: somewhere and Stevie tells them, uh, And I was talking

583
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: with Stevie this is at my at my father's funeral,

584
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: and then then all the way he told me, he said, Amelia,

585
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: give them all on my numbers since we because.

586
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Does he call in the morning as well.

587
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we you know, I've been we've been blessed.

588
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: We had some great times. You know, it's what you

589
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: do with that time and how you treat it. And

590
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: we've had some great times.

591
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, I got to follow up on this.

592
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: So did you and Stevie?

593
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 8: Did you guys and Stevie want to know you were

594
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 8: cousins back then or did this come up recently?

595
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: No, we did not know. Matter of fact, Stevie did

596
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: a couple of songs on us during the Motown days

597
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: and and uh, we didn't know that we were cousins.

598
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: And those songs that Stevie did on us, they were

599
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: never released, you know. And I think Butterfly, no butter Cup,

600
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: but not that you have not nothing, nothing song. That's

601
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: one question is.

602
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Talking about, well, you're supposed to keep your love for

603
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: me from the original? Was there any other besides butter Club?

604
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: Of course, Buttercup, you're supposed to keep your love for me.

605
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: I think there was one or two more other ones.

606
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: I forgot, man, we did so many songs. Motown got

607
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: so many songs that we we can when I hear

608
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 2: so we did that, right. We lived in the studio.

609
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: That's what I want to get to you guys. I've

610
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: seen at least the the Motown faults. I've seen them

611
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and seen the catalogs, and to me, it's staggering. How

612
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: big is it?

613
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: A mirrorkel people? Please?

614
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: You know we want to be I mean, you know,

615
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: it was over two hundred songs, but the thing is

616
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: like they're two hundred completed songs and half the stuff

617
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: didn't see the light of day, So like, what is

618
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: can you walk me through how you guys get Like

619
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: do you have like mere seconds to learn it? Do

620
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: you at least get a work tape the night before

621
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: to figure out your arrangements?

622
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: We walked through to we go in the studio.

623
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 6: They put this off to school after school, Jack, we

624
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 6: go after schools the studio recording the studio right and

625
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 6: the recording studio was right around the corner, right on

626
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: Fair Facts, And half the kids at the school never

627
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 6: knew that we were going to the recording studio recording

628
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 6: I Want You Back ABC. They didn't know that not

629
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 6: even a block away was recording to him record these songs.

630
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 6: And they put up the track and we learned it

631
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: and singing and all that we pretty much do a

632
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 6: song today, but we came back to finish it the

633
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 6: next day. The really really completed finish it the next day.

634
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 6: It took us while a day and a half to

635
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 6: finish the whole song.

636
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: That's what because we had and the reason being is

637
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: that we were youngsters and we had a social worker

638
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: that came with us, so she made sure that they

639
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: didn't work us over three hours, so they only we

640
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: only had three hours to you.

641
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Yes, you did all that work in the three hours. Yeah. Yeah,

642
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot of songs.

643
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 6: And Michael was going there and Michael would ad lib

644
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 6: and do his own ada libs, and he made all

645
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 6: that stuff at all this at the end of that's him.

646
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 6: They didn't tell him that he made up all that stuff.

647
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

648
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: Wow, that's exhausting.

649
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, So and that was every that was almost

650
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: every day, yeah, weekends, yeah, even the weekends.

651
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 4: Weekends were longer.

652
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

653
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 6: So the next day we come back to school on Monday,

654
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 6: and we're on the Ed Sullivant Show and all we

655
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 6: come back to school and all the kids noticed that

656
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 6: wait a minute, these after Jackson's they noticed us being

657
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 6: on the Air Sullivant Show. We go back to school.

658
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 6: The next day, I'm in the classroom and all of

659
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 6: a sudden, I'm in the classroom, sitting in the classroom,

660
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 6: and all these kids from all the other schools come

661
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 6: to come to Fairfax High School from all the other

662
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 6: kids come over and just streaming at to do the

663
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 6: screen like pandemonium. And the kids wondered, what's going on?

664
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 6: Why they screaming?

665
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Or they saw me in the classroom and they start

666
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: screaming like crazy. They didn't know we were the jacks

667
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: if they didn't. Now, let me tell you something. This

668
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: is my first time hearing Jackie's story about that, and

669
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: I have to say, Michael and I we were going

670
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: to Emerson Junior High School and we were the same.

671
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: Thing happened to us and to the point that kids

672
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: started going crazy and they had to pull us out

673
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: of school because we were disrupting class the whole school,

674
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: and they put us in private school.

675
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: So you went to a regular school first, Yeah, we

676
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: went to regularly. No other contemporaries of yours were in

677
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: like Fairfax Hide, none of these Sames.

678
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: No we went I went to when I when we

679
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: got here, nobody knew who the Jackson five were. So

680
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: I went to Bancroft Junior High. Michael went to Gardenet

681
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: I mean Gardener Gardener Elementary School, then the Falling Street

682
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Michael and I went went over to Emerson Junior High.

683
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: We only was able to go for two weeks because

684
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: we were disrupting the classes and the kids were going crazy.

685
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: Wow, So you didn't get uh so, what's the like

686
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: in private school? Is it more different because all of

687
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you are industry kids or we were.

688
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: Going to school with with some of the main celebrity kids.

689
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: They would go to the same school with us, and

690
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: even well, this is a funny story, Joe McClean to

691
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: if you know who John McLean is.

692
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: Wait, this is what you're gonna get. The most elusive

693
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: we've been dying to get it on the Show's John MacLean.

694
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: Oh so John, So John to tell history. He said

695
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: his mom brought him to this private school and he said, Mom, I.

696
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Don't go here.

697
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to really good, I don't want to

698
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: go here. And John said, all of a sudden, he's

699
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 2: he loves Tito. Walking across, he said, Tito Jackson, Hey, mom,

700
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm fine.

701
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: I tell y'all.

702
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 5: Popularity. Did everybody have to go to the special school now,

703
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 5: like the girls too. And I don't know if Randy

704
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: was here by now, but everybody just have to.

705
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually they did, Yes, yes, they did eventually. Yeah,

706
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's that's what took place. That's

707
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: what happened with us.

708
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: It's you know, I know that your parents' concerns over

709
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: gang culture in Indiana was one thing, but most of

710
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: us that don't live in Los Angeles, most of us,

711
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: especially when you're thinking of like for young black people,

712
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: like gang culture was a part of life, Like, how

713
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: is that avoided?

714
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: Well, my father made sure. I mean he laid down

715
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: the law. M hm, that's it. We had to be

716
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: inside before the street lights came on to Yeah, that's

717
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: supposed to.

718
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: That's how I came up to the same thing.

719
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: The street You better not get caught up that would

720
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: do street lights on.

721
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: So okay, was it still okay? What was what was

722
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: the chores situation at the house, Like was that yeah,

723
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean I'm certain that you sure had to.

724
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we had to. We had chores. We had chores.

725
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: We had to wash the dishes. Even even after we

726
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: made it with the Jackson five and came out. We

727
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: still had chores.

728
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 5: Well, y'all still lived in the house together, right, So yeah.

729
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was I think Michael and I week

730
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: to do the dishes, and Jackie and somebody else had

731
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: a week. Yeah, somebody you know had a week.

732
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was.

733
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had chores.

734
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: Is the family resident still uho? Is that still where

735
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: your mother is? Yeah?

736
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: But if we were on Queen's Road, yeah, we were

737
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: on Queen's Yeah. And we first got here, we were

738
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: on Queen's Road. Well, we first stayed at the Tropicana Motel,

739
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: a whole on Santa Monic because that on Santa Monica,

740
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: Little Santa Monica or something like that.

741
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 6: And when I got there, the first time I got

742
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 6: the cat of Los Angeles, I couldn't believe how people

743
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 6: were living. Almost cried, I said, even.

744
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: Living like this all all my life, living this.

745
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 6: Good life like this and driving Ferrari and roll voyages

746
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 6: down the street. I mean it was just amazing. I mean,

747
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 6: people living in the hills and the palm trees and

748
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, and I'm guarante Ana freezing

749
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 6: my boat off and these people living like this.

750
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: We lived that, we lived in the Tropicana for a while,

751
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: and then uh believe before we went to Queen's Road,

752
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: we lived with Donna Ross. Yeah, yeah, and she she

753
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: had she had a house with white carpet everywhere and

754
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: white walls. I think some of the furniture was white.

755
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: And she she tore up the house with us.

756
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 6: We all told that the paint on the wall and

757
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 6: paints the walls like.

758
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, yeah, we had fun.

759
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

760
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: They also had a lot of money, but you sad

761
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: a lot of money.

762
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: Like that.

763
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was for the other side of the story.

764
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 6: Mary Wilson would come over to the house. It was

765
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 6: so kind of so it's amazing. Mary would come over,

766
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 6: you know.

767
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: For how's my babies. So we you know, we were

768
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: young kids, but we had fun and they made sure

769
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: that we had fun too. I mean, you know, they

770
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: used to pick us up and take us to the

771
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: movies sometime down matter of fact, down Ross pick Michael

772
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: and I up when she first had her first baby,

773
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: and this is where she lived on Maple and Beverly Hills,

774
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: and we all went upstairs. We were all went upstairs

775
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: and she wanted us to paint some drapes because she

776
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: was having a baby, our first kid. So we painted

777
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: the drapes and do figures on it for the kid

778
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: and we had a great time.

779
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, we're.

780
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean really.

781
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, I want to know from Tito and Jackie because

782
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you two are older, I guess in my mind, because

783
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: I see the Jackson's as kind of the first family

784
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: of post civil rights movement, like all the struggle that

785
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: happened before nineteen sixty eight, Like you guys are the

786
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: first to flourish and to post civil rights activity, but

787
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: you guys are also teenagers in Los Angeles and you're

788
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: successful at that. So I'm certain that there's also moments where,

789
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: like you're in situations in which you're the only black

790
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: person there, or you're driving an elaborate car that normally

791
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: isn't you know, associated with people that look like you.

792
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: Like how hard was it to navigate in Los Angeles

793
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: ass teenagers where it's not so cute? I mean, it's

794
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: one thing when it's like Marlon and Michael, who are

795
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: like eleven twelve younger. Was it different for a young

796
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: black teenager in nineteen seventy two, seventy three, seventy four,

797
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: like the first half of the seventies.

798
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: I had an experience once when I was about I

799
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: was in my.

800
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 7: Late teens or early twenties, and I had got myself

801
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 7: for the Mercedes three fifty essayl I think it was.

802
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 7: And that's when I had stopped to get gasoline for

803
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 7: my automobile. And this is the time when they put

804
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 7: gas in your car.

805
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: You didn't have to do it, they do it for you.

806
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 4: And I pull in that I say, what do you want?

807
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 7: I said, fill it up? And can you check the oil?

808
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 7: So I pulled the lever for the thing, and you know,

809
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 7: all of you know, there's two levers. There's one outside

810
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 7: as well. So got yankee and I say, whoa, whoa,

811
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 7: let me let me And so I go out and

812
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 7: show him how to do it too. He slams my hood,

813
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 7: then polls, pumps my gas and drip gas all on

814
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 7: the side of my car and then takes Then I

815
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 7: go inside and I noticed he's calling it on my

816
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 7: credit card. So I told him, I said, I don't

817
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 7: want to pay for the service. So he goes to

818
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 7: the people and he wait a minute. He goes to

819
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 7: a drawer, pulls out a gun, holds it to my

820
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 7: head and said sign it. Of course, I signed it.

821
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 7: I signed it. I immediately, this is before cell phones.

822
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 7: I go to a stop as a phone, both call

823
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 7: our security Bill Braid Bill, who's a detective. He rushes

824
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 7: out to Chatsworth where I was immediately and go to

825
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 7: the police station, playing the story to them.

826
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: They go over to the station, picks up the guy

827
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: and come back and then they tell us that if we.

828
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 7: If we arrest this man, we're gonna have to rest

829
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: mister Jackson too, for not for refusing to pay for service.

830
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: So the guy walked.

831
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 4: That's that's how that's how it ended. Yep, of course

832
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: it was.

833
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: And this guy, I guess he.

834
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: Wasn't used to seeing the young black guy of color,

835
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: whether he's young or not.

836
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 7: You know, it was such a nice automobile because back

837
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 7: then those Mercedes were very high items and I was

838
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 7: the only nineteen driving one.

839
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: So well, my my.

840
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: Story is is a little different. This is we had

841
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: our TV show, The Jackson Show, and yeah, and you know,

842
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: and we lived in the Sino and a lot of

843
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: time we were shooting that shows somewhere and not at

844
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: the CBS slot, but somewhere else. So I will come

845
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: through Beverly Hills and over the hill to go home.

846
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: And my first car was a Porsche. A Porsche and

847
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: the police saw me driving, so he pulls me over

848
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: and he walks up to the car and said, is

849
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: this your car? I said yes. He said, driver's license

850
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: such and such. I gave it to him. He sees

851
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: Encino on it. Why are you going home this way?

852
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: And I'm looking like, what do you mean while I'm

853
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: going home this way? And yeah, you can go home

854
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 2: any kind of way you want.

855
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: To, and who says, I'm going home right?

856
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: And then and then he says, well, where you get

857
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: the money to buy a car like this from? And

858
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: I tell him, you know, I'm an artist. I do

859
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: records and whatever. And he wrote me up some phony

860
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: ticke wrote me up a ticket for whatever it said.

861
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: I gave it to our people to take care of.

862
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: But I think Jackie, all of us used to get

863
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: pulled over all the time, asking us, uh, I got

864
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: a real funny story for you after this? Used to uh,

865
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: used to give us tickets and pull us over just

866
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: to harass us. But here's my real funny story. This

867
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: story is so funny that I could Jackie, you know,

868
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: don't get a tell. So Michael's first car was a

869
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: Rose Royce. Right, he was, and he was eighteen. But

870
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: Michael he parked anywhere. He didn't know. So one day

871
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm he didn't care. I'm driving down the street. I

872
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: thought it was so funny. I'm driving down the street.

873
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: And the police got Michael handcuffed to a bench.

874
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: He was.

875
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: Because he had a lot of parking tickets. Did you stop?

876
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: They never heard that story.

877
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: Journalists are asking the wrong questions.

878
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I did. But you couldn't say. You couldn't

879
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: say too much. And and they let they let him

880
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: go after it. I mean, you know, it's back in

881
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: those days. You could you.

882
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 5: Couldn't say you pull up the street and you're just

883
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: looking from behind in the mirror.

884
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: Right, yes, tell him the story.

885
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 6: When we went down to Alabama, uh for my mother's Uh.

886
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 6: They took Michael. He went into this, Michael went to this.

887
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: Ye shut down South tell him what don Yeah, yeah, Mike,

888
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: because Mike Mike like Antique. So the security was with him.

889
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: So Bill said, I'm gonna go to the restaurant right quick.

890
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: And the owner of the store, I don't know if

891
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: he called the police whatever he thought Michael was trying

892
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: to steal stuff out of the store. He didn't know

893
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: who he was, and I think he and he got

894
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: a gun and then bills and they took Michael somewhere

895
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: looking for Michael and looking for Michael Jackie, I didn't

896
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: forgot some of this stuff.

897
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 6: He took Michael to the back room somewhere and tied

898
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 6: him down. Michael was in the back room somewhere, like

899
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 6: in the back ship.

900
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: This is like, this is like in the seventies, late seventies. Yeah.

901
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're looking all over Michael and they had him

902
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 6: tied down in the back ship. It's almost like the

903
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 6: clamor was gonna take him away somewhere, you know, they were.

904
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: Saving for that.

905
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the story started with Alabama.

906
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're looking for Michael all over the place

907
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 6: and this guy had him tied down the back room.

908
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 6: And this was like an antique stuff full of books

909
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 6: and all kind of anti because Michael liked the old stuff.

910
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 6: He like buying stuff like that. And they took him.

911
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 6: They thought he was trying to steal something, and he

912
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 6: took him in the back room and we went in

913
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 6: the store.

914
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: We could find him.

915
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 6: He was in some other kind of ship behind behind

916
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 6: that store. He was in another kind of.

917
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Jackson.

918
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, hard to get him released.

919
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to release and they realized school he was.

920
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: But we think we didn't.

921
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: We let it go.

922
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: We didn't put it in the press.

923
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 6: We let it you know what I'm saying.

924
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it wasn't him until now a regular, if

925
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: it was any other Jackson, right, it was Michael Johnson.

926
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: Right, speaking speaking of Bill Bray. So I came across

927
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: this this this like raw footage of a concert. I mean,

928
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: I guess it was the Destiny era, But I was

929
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: just looking at this footage and I'm noticing that the

930
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: way that security is handled is not like it is now.

931
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: Like there was no separation gait or something. The hole

932
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: fans back like basically fans were one inch away from,

933
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, climbing on stage. And there's a point where

934
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: I guess Bill Bray is giving you guys like a

935
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: pep talk backstage on you know what my signals are?

936
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: How often did you guys have to prematurely cut a

937
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: show man all the time? So getting through a show

938
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: was actually a hard thing to do.

939
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 5: It was was it a song that popped them off?

940
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 5: Or was it just like the moment you stepped on.

941
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 4: Stage, the moment they said, the moment they set eyes

942
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: on me.

943
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: In the morning, it was a pandem morning. And believe it,

944
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: believe it or not, there was a few times where

945
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: we had bump threats, you know, and at one time

946
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: they did find a bomb under the stage. They brought

947
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: in the police dogs and all that stuff. So it

948
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's been different. So it's been different. We've

949
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: been through a bunch of We used to go to

950
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: shows in armor trucks because even on the Vision Tour

951
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: we had dead threats. We sure did.

952
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 8: Really Wow, Yeah, you're all brave for a bunch of

953
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 8: fucking musicians.

954
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the decision to not I mean, you know,

955
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: we live in a time now where, you know, especially

956
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: in social media, just everything's transparent and there's you know,

957
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: nothing that's not revealed. What was the decision and not

958
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: ever releasing these stories that things have happened for fear

959
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: that copycats might try to follow, or.

960
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: It's just never dawned on us. We you know, it

961
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: was part of our life and I don't know, as

962
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: we talked it just you know, we never tried to

963
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: We weren't crazy about putting stuff in the press and

964
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: and and those things. You know, we just move on

965
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: with our life and keep going. I remember one time,

966
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: long time ago, uh in Chatsworth again, Chessworth, California. My

967
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: kids were at a park and my son drew it

968
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: in the grass and a whole bunch of people stood

969
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: up and they were the KKK and UH and some

970
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: other friends came and and my wife and Jackie's wife

971
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: and all jumped in the car car and took off.

972
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: They came with bats and chains and UH. And somebody

973
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: called the police and said there was a bunch of

974
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: black ladies with afro wigs, I mean huge afros and

975
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: and driving in the Mercedes down the streets flying and

976
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: none of them had none of them had an.

977
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 4: Afro, but they just saw the color of your skin

978
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: and they just said afro and.

979
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: And it was crazy.

980
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: It was there.

981
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: They were coming after him to kill him. They were

982
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: having the picnic, and they jumped in the car, got

983
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: all this stuff and just took off. And these guys

984
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: with chains and bats coming after females.

985
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 5: Were you guys able to share these situations and lean

986
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 5: on some of your peers, because I'm sure y'all weren't

987
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 5: the only ones going through stuff.

988
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: Just at the time, Like who do y'all talk to

989
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: about how to navigate all this stuff at that time

990
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: in y'all lives.

991
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 5: Not to mention you got parents from the South, but still.

992
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 4: Sometimes we take care of it ourselves.

993
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Question love, it was the way the bullet. That's what

994
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: sets it, you know, ask answer this question?

995
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 5: When he came before, who is the first jackson to

996
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 5: pop off? You said, Jermaine is the first jackson uh.

997
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: To want to.

998
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 7: I would run home the mama start he started to fight.

999
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 4: He started to fight, me fighting and run home and

1000
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 4: tell mama, I'm fighting.

1001
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: Wait, Marlon, I have a question. So one of one

1002
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: of my favorite J five albums was Get It Together,

1003
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: and in particular, I mean I realize that now when

1004
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: when I was older that that was accidently no, no, no,

1005
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: uh mama h the cover of Uh Mama got Brandon

1006
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: New Thing. Don't say no, I'm realizing that you singing

1007
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: on it. How are you guys? Uh? What would you

1008
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: what would you say, Fante, I'm having lost awards? You

1009
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: call it the would you say the operation of uh

1010
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: the division division of labor, Division of labor? Yeah, what

1011
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: what is the division of labor as far as who

1012
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: gets what part or no, Well, that song.

1013
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: Was was produced by how Davis, So he would tell

1014
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: us who's going to sing this, who's going to sing that,

1015
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: who's going to sing this? Even in the corporation, you're

1016
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: gonna sing this part. You're gonna sing this part, and

1017
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: and that's how, and that's what we did when it

1018
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, and and that's what and that's what we did.

1019
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: And did you sing on any other Jackson songs that

1020
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: didn't make it?

1021
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: Or like I think body Language is another one that

1022
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: I sung on too.

1023
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: She said that didn't make it?

1024
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: He said, quest has been so long ago.

1025
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: I got c r S.

1026
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: Remember r S disease?

1027
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: I should do you know after after after you get

1028
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: past fifty you know stuff, come and go?

1029
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: Can I ask?

1030
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 5: Can I ask you a dancing question that that you

1031
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 5: may remember?

1032
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean that Wait, wait, that don't mean them answer.

1033
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: Somebody moment right now, right for real, for real, Mark

1034
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: Marlin for the moment right now? You the mean man?

1035
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 5: Yeah that too, But I was going to ask you,

1036
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 5: like your dancing story, like you talked about you and

1037
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 5: Michael being fans of Jackie Wilson and being a fan

1038
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 5: of a dance. But I'm just curious, like as you evolved,

1039
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 5: as dance evolved, like who are some of the folks

1040
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 5: that you started looking to.

1041
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: Like we we believe or not. We used to watch

1042
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: James Brown, like you, said Jackie Wilson. We used to

1043
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: watch Fredi stare g and Kelly.

1044
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: Rogers.

1045
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, we won't tip. We were walking

1046
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: on our toes. Now, Michael knock on Feta storage store.

1047
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: Let me tell jack jack I got so so one day,

1048
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, Michael said, Marma, come come pick me up.

1049
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't feel like driving to the studio. I said, okay,

1050
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come get you. And we drove Michael's car

1051
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: his roll here. Out in the car, Michael said, well, Marma,

1052
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: I want you to go this way. I said which way?

1053
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: I said, why are we going this way? He said,

1054
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: just go this way? And then we go into Beverly Hills.

1055
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: He said, tear down this street. I said, said, well,

1056
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 2: you're not going to the studio, Mike. He said, dadd

1057
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: is to drive down there, Micha, I'm not driving down

1058
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: somebody's driveway. Marma, just drive down the driveway. He get

1059
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: out the car and knock on the door. It was

1060
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: freddie stairs house. You know, get out the car, knock

1061
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: on the door. Fredis Stair wasn't home.

1062
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know where he was.

1063
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: And I said, that's that's where Freddie Staire lives. That's

1064
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: his house. And somebody answered the door and told him

1065
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: that Freddie's Stair wasn't home at the time. And then

1066
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: we went on to the studio. But write.

1067
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: Was just walking time.

1068
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: What time we were in? Uh, sometimes figure out why

1069
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: we were there though we were so we Richie Pride

1070
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: lived in north in the north Ridge, so we Michael

1071
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: and I. I don't think I ever told you all this, Jackie.

1072
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: So Michael and I we stopped. We went to Richard

1073
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: Pride's house. Right, we knocked on the door. He come in.

1074
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: He's talking to us, and what was so funny to me?

1075
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: That we're leaving? And Richie goes to us. He said, yeah,

1076
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: that that's the Mercedes I shot the tires out of

1077
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: which he tried to wait where she tried to leave, right, mother,

1078
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: Remember that.

1079
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 5: I was also asking, like after fredstare like as the

1080
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 5: time went on the seventies and eighties, where the other

1081
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 5: folks too, did you were like? Because I know Michael

1082
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 5: implemented new styles and dance and form into his thing.

1083
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 5: But Marlon, I mean, I know you do your thing.

1084
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: I seen you. You still do your thing. You appreciate

1085
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: it trying to do something.

1086
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: Can I add to that question? What did you guys

1087
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: work with Charlie Atkins at all?

1088
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 5: No?

1089
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: No, never did never.

1090
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: Who's the choreographer for the Jackson five?

1091
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Jackie and five?

1092
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 7: In the very beginning we got assistance from Suzanne to

1093
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 7: ask uh. She had a choreographed some of the I

1094
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 7: want you back stuff, the Sullivan stuff. But after that

1095
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 7: is basically even before that, it was always been the

1096
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 7: groups on their own thing.

1097
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie, Michael and I we fool around. Jackie Michael

1098
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: and I. We until we realize we running out of time,

1099
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: didn't we say we better get serious with this. That's

1100
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: what That's what we did. On Motime twenty five. We

1101
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: spend almost two or three hours in the room talking, look, hey,

1102
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: the shoot tomorrow. We don't have any choreography before Wait

1103
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: what wow.

1104
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: Y'all did that the night before y'all did that? Yeah?

1105
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, what yeah?

1106
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: So my question what was your thoughts? This movie means

1107
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: the world to us, but to y'all. I want to

1108
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: know the v H one American Jackson's American.

1109
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the music.

1110
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: You got to ask Jackie Tito that I've never seen it.

1111
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: You are lie, seriously, No, I've never seen it.

1112
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. Model me too.

1113
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: All right, Wait, seriously, a part of it.

1114
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. But can I tell you something.

1115
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 6: My father wasn't like that. They made him like he

1116
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 6: was so I mean, he wasn't like that. They they

1117
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 6: made like a real bad guy and he was not

1118
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 6: like that.

1119
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: Strength.

1120
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's for the movie.

1121
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 6: I mean, my father disciplined us because he had six boys,

1122
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 6: you know, and around games like that.

1123
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: He wasn't like that. But matter of fact, that's how

1124
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: we learned how to dance.

1125
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: I was going to ask all that too.

1126
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 3: Just so particularly about your dad because you know he's

1127
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: passed and I was watching the other day they showed

1128
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 3: the they have a new Tiger Woods documentary this on

1129
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 3: uh this out now, And yes, you know there's the

1130
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: kind of the telling you know, you think of just

1131
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 3: the strict father that's just kind of driving the kids,

1132
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: and your dad has always kind of been just the

1133
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 3: symbol of just the hard you know, disciplinarian father, And

1134
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: so I was just curious to know from your guy's

1135
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: own words, you know what was that relationship like?

1136
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's been kind of demonized in

1137
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: a lot of ways.

1138
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: But since his passing in just over the years of

1139
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: y'all have has have y'all as y'all have grown as

1140
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 3: men and become fathers yourselves.

1141
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: How is that? How how do y'all look at y'all

1142
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: relationship with your dad.

1143
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 6: Now when you realize, you know, you go back and

1144
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 6: realize what he was doing was right.

1145
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: I mean, we came from a.

1146
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 6: Bad neighborhood Guarantiana, and he, I mean he kept us

1147
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 6: out of that situation by keeping us busy, keeping us rehearsing.

1148
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 6: He saw we had talent, and he said, if you

1149
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 6: want to be something, you've got to work at And

1150
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 6: that's what he did. And back in those days, you know,

1151
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 6: you know how parents raised kids, it was different. You know,

1152
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 6: even your neighbors, your parents, I mean, your neighbors would

1153
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 6: get you. You know, that's how it was back in

1154
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 6: those days. You can't do that stuff today. It's a

1155
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 6: whole different today, it's different, but not just the way

1156
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 6: it was back then.

1157
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: You know today today those jokers break their knuckles down

1158
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: in nine one one, yeah.

1159
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 5: Something as parents and grandparents now seeing the way the

1160
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 5: kids are like disciplined.

1161
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I called it. Yeah, it was.

1162
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 3: It was a different time when I look at you know,

1163
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 3: just when I think about, you know, your your dad,

1164
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: your dad's legacy and just what he was able to

1165
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: help y'all build. You know, it's just you know, whenever

1166
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: I see people being real harsh about you know, men

1167
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: of that time, I'm just like, listen, dude, Like white

1168
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: folks just ran up in the capitol.

1169
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: What was they doing in nineteen fifty nine? You know what?

1170
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: I like, what would you know what I'm saying? What

1171
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: think about what those guys.

1172
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: Were up against back then, trying to raise you know,

1173
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: you know all these kids of trouble, nine children and

1174
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 3: working in a steel mill, Like, come the funk on, dude,

1175
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: Like you got to put that in context, you know.

1176
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: So I was always to hear your thoughts on it.

1177
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: And I went to the steel mail one time and

1178
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: some where my father worked. Man, they looked up that

1179
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: steel door and all that.

1180
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 6: Heat and fire key out, and I said, oh my god,

1181
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 6: how does he work in a place like this all

1182
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 6: the time.

1183
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't believe it.

1184
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jackie took us home and wanted to rehearse even more.

1185
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: Better than being in Jackie, were you at one point

1186
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: seriously trying to consider uh a career in baseball at all?

1187
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: Wait? Wait wait, wait wait wait wait, Jackie, back that up.

1188
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: Not consider the white sox was looking at him.

1189
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.

1190
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 5: Talk about it, Jackie.

1191
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 6: Come on, no, matter of fact, we all played baseball.

1192
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 6: We all baseball player, all of us. And I was

1193
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 6: a short stop and a picture and and they was

1194
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 6: after me and and stuff like that. But you know,

1195
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 6: I think I thought I made the right move by

1196
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 6: sticker with my brothers because the singing career last forever.

1197
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: You can sing forever, you know, and you can sing

1198
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: with bad knees.

1199
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, but uh, you know, I did the right thing.

1200
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: We did the right thing to stay with the group

1201
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: and stay with the.

1202
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: Boys, because I would see you know often in like

1203
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: ride on magazine or whatever the periodicals were at the

1204
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: time of like you guys actually had your own softball team,

1205
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: Like how how was that arranged? Like like celebrities softball

1206
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: games versus each other would just be a thing of

1207
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: you calling them up or was it like some official.

1208
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 6: We had some of the coldest baseball teams we had.

1209
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 6: We had Willie god on our team.

1210
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: We had a cheetah.

1211
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 6: On the US and football we had the colders. And

1212
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 6: all those guys play baseball too, you know, don't they

1213
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 6: played college baseball. We win the championship every year.

1214
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 2: So Billy Christal, Billy Christ, Billy CHRISTI, they gonna get

1215
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: their team, him.

1216
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 9: And Rob right there and all of them. The story,

1217
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 9: they they gonna come and play us.

1218
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 6: You know Sam Watson, You know Sam. Any one knows

1219
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 6: Sam Watson. He's always in the ring all the time

1220
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 6: of the Fighters.

1221
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: And uh.

1222
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 5: Said the words that you're not supposed to say, but

1223
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 5: only he's supposed to say it.

1224
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,439
Speaker 2: He said, Sam, Yeah with the Fighters. You know. Yeah,

1225
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 2: Sam was on our baseball baseball Sam is the great

1226
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: baseball player.

1227
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 6: He can play.

1228
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know.

1229
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: Because I would notice all your appearances on Soul Train,

1230
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Marlon me talk the most junk about you guys are

1231
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: sports prowess and in basketball and softball. I didn't know

1232
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: if that was like an actual thing, Like there was a.

1233
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: No, it's serious, and then there's a there's a picture somewhere.

1234
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 2: I saw Jackie playing basketball. Jackie used to play Marvin

1235
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: gay all the time at Marvin Gaye's house.

1236
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 6: Didn't you Jackie, You'll go one on one? He would

1237
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 6: call me over. We played one on one. He said,

1238
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 6: jack ain't paying no damn taxes.

1239
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: And he wrote a song about it, I can't pay

1240
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 2: my taxes. Maybe want to holler.

1241
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 6: Right right PASTA play all the time, one on one

1242
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 6: all the time at his house, he called.

1243
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: But he would push you around.

1244
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 6: Marvin played really rough though dirty.

1245
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, when you're in when when you get to

1246
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: l a like who and older? Who were your uh

1247
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: peers or like who would you hang with? Was it

1248
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: just in house or did you guys have like a

1249
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: relationship with the Silvers or anybody that was your age

1250
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: or anything.

1251
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 6: We just hung together. We stayed in the recordings to

1252
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 6: be all. That's all cor Cord record, even on Sundays.

1253
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 2: They recorded all the time and time, and and then

1254
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 2: when we would go out and do concerts, we had

1255
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: a curfew, so we had to be in bed at

1256
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: a certain time and moms would come and tell our security,

1257
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: I know my daughter's up in there with Winnam Jackson,

1258
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 2: Like you said, I can guarantee you they an't wait,

1259
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 2: wasn't name Jackson's. They might be with one of them

1260
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: band members, but they ain't with with nothing of them

1261
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 2: Jackson's because I just did bed check and they all.

1262
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 6: Our very first, our very first big concert.

1263
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

1264
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 6: You know where it was, Marmon, the very first big concert.

1265
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: You know where it was at the Forum with no.

1266
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 6: I'm talking about that one, the very first big one.

1267
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 6: Guess where it was, Philadelphia, Philadelphia Spectrum, Philadelphia. He said,

1268
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 6: that's where it was, remember man, the first start off.

1269
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 2: That's where Philadelphia.

1270
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: That's where it was there. Okay, So there's there's a

1271
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: folklore tale. One of the most famous graffiti writers in

1272
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's name is Cornbread. The legend of Cornbread is like

1273
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: the places that he would tag his his name, and

1274
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: the reason why that Philadelphia show, the reason why I

1275
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: know about it, even though I wasn't old enough to

1276
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: know about it, is that somehow Cornbread had managed to

1277
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 1: tag the Jackson five airplane with his name, which basically

1278
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: set his legend into like the graffiti world, like he

1279
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: tagged the Jackson five airplane from their Philadelphia Spectrum show. Yeah, yeah, no,

1280
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean he's still living off that folklore right now.

1281
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: He's like sixty three years old. He finally signed a

1282
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: jacket for me after decades of big and for it.

1283
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: I want to ask about the move to Epic. You know,

1284
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: between there's sort of that period in which past the

1285
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: beginning stage of Motown where you guys are putting the

1286
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: Vegas Act together about to do the Variety Show, and

1287
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: of course you moved to Philly International Epic. What was

1288
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: basically I mean, were you guys trying to develop your

1289
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 1: music even before then, Like, were you guys writing actively

1290
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: writing and producing by that point or yeah, we when.

1291
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 6: We learned so much, you know by then with all

1292
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 6: the Motown writers and the producers. It's like going to

1293
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 6: school there anyway, because you learned so much they teach

1294
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 6: you at the same time. And all the wonderful hits

1295
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 6: that we had with Motown, what do you put us

1296
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 6: on the map? Barry Gordy and the whole crew and

1297
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 6: us crew of writers just amazing with the done for us.

1298
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 6: And at that time our contract was running out, we

1299
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 6: felt that it was time for us to start writing

1300
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 6: some some of our music because at that time we

1301
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 6: felt the Meat was kind of young and ABC and

1302
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 6: a little bit and kind of kind of bubble gummers,

1303
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 6: but it was the top of music that was geared

1304
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 6: to everybody to love.

1305
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: But we decided it's time let's just start writing some music,

1306
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 2: you know.

1307
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 6: So we decided to no longer side with Mongtown, to

1308
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 6: go to another label where we can show them our

1309
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 6: ability to write songs and also produced records. So they

1310
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 6: put us with a camel In Huff, you know, and uh,

1311
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 6: we were so excited to be with those guys because

1312
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 6: those guys were known for writing hits on groups like

1313
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 6: Taty Pendergrass and the o Jays. You just the list

1314
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 6: goes on and on Cowboys the Girls.

1315
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: That's my favorite game, Cowboys the Girl.

1316
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 6: But what's that group in Trudi. We figured that we

1317
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 6: if we get with the Jackson Gip Gambling Huff, it's

1318
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 6: over with, it's gonna be a big time you know

1319
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

1320
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on those albums? Now? Like now?

1321
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: Over time?

1322
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 6: Incredible? Incredible man, Gambling Huff.

1323
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: We got there.

1324
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 6: We spent time just talking and talking.

1325
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: And we did a whole album in two weeks.

1326
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 3: In two weeks, man, Well, I would say my favorite

1327
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: material is still I mean the Gambler suff I mean,

1328
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: it's enjoy yourself and show you.

1329
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: I mean those are plazas.

1330
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 3: But for me personally, man, I just love when y'all

1331
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: wrote your own stuff like that was that's that's that

1332
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 3: ship with jamming.

1333
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: I just like y'all y'all doing your own material. Man,

1334
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: that shit was just it was great.

1335
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 6: So we wrote, you know, first we wrote to We

1336
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 6: wrote two songs on the on the album, then we

1337
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 6: gamble wrote the rest and songs, and all of a sudden,

1338
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 6: they gave us a whole album start writing because I guess, I.

1339
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: Guess, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. My elementary school

1340
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: was right next door to Philly International, So oftentimes, like

1341
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: first second grade, I'd see you guys running to your

1342
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: car on Broad Street. Really yeah, my I went to

1343
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: a performing arts school, which was if Philly International I

1344
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: think was three ten Broad Street. My school was three thirteen,

1345
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 1: So oftentimes you'd see like Teddy Pendergrad, you'd see everyone outside.

1346
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 1: But you know, of course I knew when the Jacksons

1347
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: were in proximity because every girl in that school just

1348
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: run outside and it's like, oh the Jackson's supposed to

1349
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: be next door or something. But I asked that question

1350
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: about the seventies because it just hit me. Can you

1351
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 1: tell me who the group MDLT was? Because I collected

1352
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: a lot of records, and probably one of the highest

1353
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: priced forty fives that someone tried to get me for

1354
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: was a Jackson five produced song called What's Your Game?

1355
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: By M d l T.

1356
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: What's Your Game?

1357
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: It was like they were m d l T was

1358
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: like a I think the legends that they were on

1359
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: Ivory Every Tower, Yeah, Ivory Tower, like four girls.

1360
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my father's group.

1361
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so they just saw like the Dinah Ross thing.

1362
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: They just use the and of course the suckle like

1363
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: me comes along. It's like, yeah, I'll pay thousand for that. Okay,

1364
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: I get it now. So that was just on his label.

1365
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: But you guys didn't specifically produce that single or anything. Correct.

1366
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't remember producing we're doing anything?

1367
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 4: You did?

1368
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 6: Yes, we did, you don't remember.

1369
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: He's right, we did that, Okay. I at least don't

1370
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: feel ripped off or pain for that.

1371
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: We did. Okay.

1372
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: So Jackie I mentioned I mentioned this and and your

1373
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: and your Brothers documentary for Off the wall that one

1374
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments in discovering that that demo on

1375
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: Shake your Body Down to the ground. Was you yelling,

1376
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the begs to hear this ship? Said,

1377
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, it's my favorite thing ever.

1378
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 2: It's right right?

1379
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: Do you end the demo and it stops the bgs

1380
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: to hear this ship?

1381
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 6: My mom, Mommy was at your house. And then that's

1382
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 6: a song we were doing, like I half a song.

1383
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 6: We was messing around this this messing around with a

1384
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 6: groove and we was making up something.

1385
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: Remember that.

1386
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 6: And I said something like I can win the BG's here.

1387
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 6: He's right, I said that, And they caught that stuff,

1388
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 6: and I said, with viral, didn't it? A lot of

1389
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 6: people did with viral?

1390
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what what were your I don't remember that.

1391
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean at that at that point, I know that

1392
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: you you had to, you know, something to prove. And

1393
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: this is like the moment that you guys are going

1394
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: to step to the plate and produce your own material.

1395
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: But were you guys seriously eyeing like, Okay, they sold

1396
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: twelve million units, that's us, Like that's what we want?

1397
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: Like what oh?

1398
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1399
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: In your mind? Was were they the standards of who

1400
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: to be, like why not earth Went and Fire or

1401
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: p Funk or I.

1402
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 2: Don't know, maybe I don't know what.

1403
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 6: Maybe say that about the BG. It just came out, BGS.

1404
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 6: Here this ship, it just happened.

1405
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: I just named the BG.

1406
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 6: It could have been I could have been just you know,

1407
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 6: it just happened. It was we was in sane something

1408
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 6: like the little group, just making something as we go along,

1409
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 6: and I said, wait till this ship or something like that.

1410
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 6: I remember something like that.

1411
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, ironically we all get inducted into the Rock

1412
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety seven.

1413
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 4: Together, oh together, all that came out b G.

1414
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: Also, I also asked your brother Randy this question. So

1415
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 1: in terms of presentation and theatrics, like, you guys definitely

1416
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: raise the game higher. I mean, by that point in

1417
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: seventy seven, you know, earth wind Fire is bringing theatrics

1418
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: to the game, and p Funk definitely was bringing theatrics

1419
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: to the game.

1420
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 6: But man, it was tough then.

1421
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know, though, why was Randy the

1422
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: designated agitator? Like usually any explosions were because of Randy

1423
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: either throwing you guys in a pit or throwing some

1424
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: flash paper and exploit like why was he the one?

1425
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like you guys are brothers in

1426
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: the first twenty three minutes and then Randy does this

1427
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: terrorist act like Okay, then I'm gonna this fire and

1428
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna explode and we'll have on new outfits.

1429
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,560
Speaker 2: Like well, because you're right, I've never looked at it

1430
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 2: like that.

1431
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: But you're right, though, why was he the designated back

1432
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: guy that had.

1433
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 2: To do because he was because he wasn't in the

1434
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: Jackson fire. That's why.

1435
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: How did you guys conceptualize those shows? Though?

1436
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 2: I told you just to cry.

1437
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 6: When we used to go on the road and drive

1438
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 6: down and drive our driveway going out the gate heading

1439
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 6: for the airport, he would cry like a baby sitting

1440
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 6: the driver because he thought he was coming with us,

1441
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 6: you know, so he thought.

1442
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 4: He pushing the butt, he pushed the button for the

1443
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 4: gate for the car to leave.

1444
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 5: Did y'all y'all didn't initiate him when he came when

1445
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 5: he finally became a part, did you like, he was

1446
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 5: always there, but.

1447
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 2: He was around. He was hanging around before he became,

1448
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, full member.

1449
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 6: And when they became a full member. I remember doing

1450
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 6: his concert one time. This is so funny, packed to

1451
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 6: the rapt us all the way around, number of people

1452
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 6: so ran.

1453
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 2: He's on the stage.

1454
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 6: He's getting his shot to be on the stage. And

1455
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 6: he was playing because he can play some kools, bongles

1456
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 6: and all that stuff.

1457
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 4: You know.

1458
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 6: That's all of a sudden, it's time for Randy to

1459
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 6: do a solo, right, All of a sudden, he gets

1460
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 6: the spotlight, get on it for him to play and.

1461
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 4: Do a solo right right, and the music breaks.

1462
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 6: And Randy fro up. Randy looked up, and so all

1463
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 6: these people start looking around around like this around seeing

1464
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 6: all this.

1465
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 10: He forgot his solo. He didn't plays play. Keep looking

1466
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 10: around all these twenty thousand people in there. Oh man,

1467
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 10: yeah he didn't play.

1468
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: Man. Then we came up later. Yeah, he came in later.

1469
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1470
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna tell you a story. On the thirtieth anniversary,

1471
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: we was doing you know, Shaky Body, and we went

1472
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 2: to one corner of the stage. We run to the

1473
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: other corner of the stage. So we ran to the

1474
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: and y'all didn't even know this was happening on stage.

1475
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 2: We ran to the corner stage and we do our

1476
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: break and we freeze and were just waiting there, waiting there,

1477
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: waiting there, and Michael goes, what's next, What's next? I said, Michael,

1478
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: you're supposed to count it off? What this is going on?

1479
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: This is going on stage and I didn't even know it.

1480
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't know the next cue, No, the.

1481
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: Next cue was him. He's about to go to start

1482
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: the band again. Oh, and he's telling us what's next,

1483
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: what's next?

1484
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 6: That's for television, what's the next? I remember that?

1485
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so for for those for those shows, though, how

1486
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: much preparation goes into that, and like who decides what

1487
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: musicians come aboard? Who decides like Duck Henning is now

1488
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's Duck Henning.

1489
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: That helped the first The only thing Doug Henning did

1490
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: it what's the what's the magic?

1491
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: That's all he did, even introducing magic to a show

1492
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: like who who? Like what what's the pre meeting? The

1493
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: pre meeting? Uh situation like before that, even.

1494
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: Before Jackie, you you might not know. Before you all came.

1495
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: Michael and I went and we met with Doug Henny

1496
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: to look at all whatever magic he had, and we

1497
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 2: picked the one. We picked the one that goes up

1498
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: and explosion there that that would work for the show,

1499
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 2: and then you all came the second time we used Magi.

1500
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't Doug Kenny Jackie. Who was I forgot who

1501
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: he's on the Come on Copperfield.

1502
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 6: David Copper He's running right, he's the one.

1503
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: But what was the decision to add those elements to

1504
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: the show that just came out of nowhere?

1505
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 6: Because you know, at that particular time, a lot of

1506
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 6: acts were doing something similar to that. You know, they

1507
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 6: had something special, like an illusion or something like that, right, yeah,

1508
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 6: And we decided we add this to the show.

1509
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be something incredible, you know, you know

1510
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 2: what I show.

1511
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 6: Because we we've always had a high energy type show,

1512
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 6: you know, okay, people dancing and a lot of a

1513
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 6: lot of energy and pretty much a nice sized production.

1514
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 6: So we decided we add this to the show. It

1515
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 6: would just go over the top, you know, right, That's

1516
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 6: how and that's how we were thinking.

1517
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I'll let my look, I'll

1518
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: let the listeners know that, especially watching all this as

1519
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: like a nine ten year older, no one has utilized

1520
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 1: slow motion effects better than the Jackson's Like practically every

1521
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: Variety show they were ever on. There's a moment I mean,

1522
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: I thought you guys could fly. There's always some point

1523
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: in that performance where you guys either running or airlifting,

1524
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: like seven feet up in the air. And I was like, Yo,

1525
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: the Jacksons can really fly like that. I didn't realize

1526
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: till later that you know, that's called post editing. But

1527
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,919
Speaker 1: I just start you guys at magic flying ability.

1528
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 3: I want to know, how do you guys, you know,

1529
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: we were talking about we were talking about the CBS

1530
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 3: years how when you guys left Motown and you know,

1531
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 3: how did y'all kind of repair that relationship with Barry

1532
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 3: Gordy later on? Like how did he, you know, take

1533
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 3: y'all leaving and you know, where's the Joab's relationship at

1534
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 3: with him?

1535
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Now?

1536
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: We're cool, always.

1537
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:42,919
Speaker 4: Cool.

1538
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 2: You know, business is business. Just a business decision. And

1539
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 2: we were young. It was a decision that my father

1540
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: actually you know, you know, made and and so we

1541
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 2: moved forward on it. But I think one of the

1542
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: I remember someone telling me, you know, Jackie, you might

1543
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 2: have that. Barry Gordy said, the worst thing he ever

1544
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 2: did is let the Jackson five get away from Motown. Man.

1545
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was no like space or room for

1546
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: any discussion of Okay, how many songs do you want

1547
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: to produce? Or or I'll call your bluff and see

1548
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: if you guys would like Did he really think you

1549
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't leave or anything.

1550
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 7: I don't know the details, but I think basically he

1551
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 7: felt that there wasn't broke. Why try to fix something

1552
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 7: that's working, you know? So basically I don't think he

1553
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:42,480
Speaker 7: had that. We had never wrote or produced anything publicly,

1554
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 7: so I think he just felt why changed things too much?

1555
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have questions about the Triumph album because that's where, individually,

1556
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: you guys really can into your own as far as

1557
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: songwriting and producing is concerned. Side note, Jackie, you you've

1558
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: actually written my favorite Jackson song of all time, like

1559
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: Your Ways is like my all time favorite song in life.

1560
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh oh god, yeah, no, no, no doubt. I mean

1561
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 1: no offense to you other Jackson's, but you know that's.

1562
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: Where you go off all your ways, that's the way

1563
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: I go forgive it up. I love I know Marlin,

1564
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 3: like that's you you sing in lead with Michael on

1565
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 3: that one man. I love I love that song man,

1566
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 3: And I thought y'all really was y'all. Was that in

1567
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 3: sence y'all trying to go for kind of the yacht

1568
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 3: rock kind of I guess that.

1569
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: You know that kind of song.

1570
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 2: No, it just said that's what the song called for,

1571
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: So that's what you get it.

1572
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: I love it.

1573
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: There's the magic that happens in the studio when you're working,

1574
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: all of a sudden somebody hit you with someone the

1575
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 2: song needs this, bam, so you do it. You know,

1576
01:25:55,200 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it's just work. It's just you know,

1577
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 2: you can't go in and say I'm gonna do this,

1578
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that, i'mna do that. It doesn't work

1579
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: that way.

1580
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 4: You know.

1581
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 2: It's it's a feel, it's a you know. That's why

1582
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: I try to tell some of the kids today. And

1583
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: with all these electronics that they use, and I tell people,

1584
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: how are they supposed to get the sound the way

1585
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 2: that instrument really sound if you never heard that instrument? Right?

1586
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 6: And and and and these these these three albums that

1587
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 6: were just released a couple of days ago.

1588
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

1589
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 6: They have great songs on the songs that never get

1590
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 6: that attention, you know what I'm saying. But your ways

1591
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 6: now they're sticking those out. They did some remixing. They

1592
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 6: sound great, really, I mean it's.

1593
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: The Blues Away used one of my favorite.

1594
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound great.

1595
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: And that's what you get for being polite and things.

1596
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's on there too. Yeah, all that stuff I heard.

1597
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 6: It sounds great, different mixes on it.

1598
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: How do you guys write the songs together?

1599
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 2: Well, we started, we started writing. We started writing the

1600
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 2: Destiny album when Michael was doing The Weed. You know.

1601
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to know, how is it like

1602
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: how what was the process of doing Destiny while he

1603
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: was doing the Wiz? Did it come out before or after?

1604
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Wells was after the Whiz? Correct?

1605
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: Yes, right, We were getting the studio and just start

1606
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 2: writing songs. We you know, meet up at noon and

1607
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 2: we're going to spend you know, four or five five

1608
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 2: hours in the studio and we're gonna come up with

1609
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: some stuff and write some songs.

1610
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 6: And sometimes we do Tito had this big camper, you know,

1611
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 6: with the three stooges on it. We would take it

1612
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 6: out to the beach and sit by the ocean and

1613
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 6: write lyrics and we do things like that and go

1614
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 6: out in different plant areas and go in to camper

1615
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 6: and just write lyrics and come back, you know, spend

1616
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,879
Speaker 6: about five or six hours out you know, the Pacific

1617
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 6: Ocean at the beach, and park the camper sideways and

1618
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 6: just look at the ways, and we have food in

1619
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 6: their sandwiches, and we write lyrics and and write songs. Yeah,

1620
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 6: and then go back. I can studio record because we

1621
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 6: all had a whole recording.

1622
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha, man, I must know for all the

1623
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: people in my generation.

1624
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 3: So this song came out. I guess I was four.

1625
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: The video for can You Feel It? Dude, that was

1626
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 3: the scariest, most awesome.

1627
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: Can I piggy back on top of that? On top

1628
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: of that? You were four with can You Feel It?

1629
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: But try explaining to a seven year old this reflection

1630
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: ship for blaming on the boogie, which absolutely scared the

1631
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: ship out of me as a kid, because Soult train

1632
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: would come on at one in the morning. So watching

1633
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: you guys with this reflective ship and like here my

1634
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: dad's musicians say, like, oh, that's what the a Nassai

1635
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: trip is like a mere Like again, I know, you

1636
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: guys are one step ahead of technology with everything that

1637
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: y'all have done, but what was I mean? Yeah, blame

1638
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: it on the Boogie and can you feel it? They

1639
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: were big. Yeah, I was like the big niggas just

1640
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: frequently I could go away from it. I think by

1641
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: that point, you guys are in your mid twenties almost thirty,

1642
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: so it's different. But when you're this, you're watching, when

1643
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: you're watching under the age of ten, it's a whole

1644
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: another it's a different thing. Yeah, Blame It on the

1645
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: Boogie used to actually scare me, like just to watch

1646
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: because I couldn't understand this whole reflection thing and free

1647
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: it that scared me became Michael with Thrilling Thanks Thriller. No,

1648
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: we were after scaring us for two years with that

1649
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: ship as big as marbles chasing Michael and don't stop

1650
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: to good enough like we were used to it at

1651
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, even when making Okay, so in

1652
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: doing the Blame It on the Boogie video, was that

1653
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 1: just like fifteen minutes out of your life, Like what

1654
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: are we we go over there, we dance, Okay, that's

1655
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: it and those.

1656
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 6: Are just effects we put on there afterwards, you know,

1657
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 6: you know how long did.

1658
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: That whole process take in Like just to record you

1659
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 1: just did like a couple of takes of it and

1660
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: then that was it.

1661
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the all the work is really done in

1662
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 2: the editing room on a lot of those videos. Watch it,

1663
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 2: and it is done on the greens. A lot of

1664
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: stuff is done on a green screen or a chroma key,

1665
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. Right, Yes, And I

1666
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 2: mean today they have it a lot easier. You can

1667
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: do stuff on your computer and everything is at your fingertips.

1668
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: But it wasn't that way back in the day, not

1669
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 2: at all.

1670
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Who chose the musician personnel for those records, because you

1671
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: guys had like the monsters, you had likes Nathan Watts

1672
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: and great feeling gains. Yeah, with great feeling gains.

1673
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: Those guys basically hung out with her. They were like

1674
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: friends of ours. We hung out.

1675
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, we hung out a lot together, all of us. Williams,

1676
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 11: Ray Parker, all the show, We all hang out.

1677
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 6: We all hung out together.

1678
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1679
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 2: Ray Parker played on a lot of Jackson's material.

1680
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: You know David Williams, Yeah, he's David Is I feel

1681
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 1: like an extension of I mean, he's Billy Preston as

1682
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. To you, guys, Beatles, like his

1683
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: guitar sound is.

1684
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 7: Like it is.

1685
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: People even our band members. Man, David got some bad

1686
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 2: guitar legs. You know how did he get there? I said,

1687
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: we we told David what we wanted him to play.

1688
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 2: So so we we come up with a guitar in

1689
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,560
Speaker 2: our head, and we tell him how to play it

1690
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 2: and how we wanted to sound, and and then we

1691
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 2: go back and what made that. David's the guitar player.

1692
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 2: They already had bite but to make but to make

1693
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: it even stronger than what it was we would do

1694
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: was incredible. He would he was a massive locking it down,

1695
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 2: locking it. He wouldn't lock it, but he just like

1696
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 2: he would bite it when he play like he's like

1697
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 2: he's pulling the strings like that. Okay, David, we gotta

1698
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 2: do another take. Okay, wait a minute, let me get

1699
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 2: a pizza of my chicken. What he has some fried

1700
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 2: chicken on the side.

1701
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,839
Speaker 4: He liked to get the fingers.

1702
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I know what I want to ask. Okay,

1703
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: I cheat it. I have the sim so I've heard it.

1704
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 1: I gotta know. Okay, I'm assuming that because of how

1705
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: time has to be edited so that an entire album

1706
01:32:54,240 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: side can fit. Jackie on wondering who why was Michael's

1707
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: bridge taken out? Was it just to cut? Was it

1708
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: just to cut or edit? So that that.

1709
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: Let me explain what you tell. So the listener is

1710
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 2: gonna stand back. If you had too much low end

1711
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 2: and you try to master it, it'll spread and eat

1712
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: up more of the record. You have to master and

1713
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 2: get the right sounds and get everything. It's not that

1714
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,799
Speaker 2: way today, but you know, and we go to Bernie

1715
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 2: Grub and mastering all he did all the mastering, and

1716
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 2: a lot of times we'd be in the studio, I mean,

1717
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: how many minutes is it? You know, because we only

1718
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 2: can put so many minutes on a record. Yeah, yeah,

1719
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 2: and if you got to sell, if you got a

1720
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 2: record like Shake your Body with a lot of low end,

1721
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: then your minutes get less because it's gonna eat up

1722
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 2: more space. And so we will always keep track of

1723
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: the time on how much time that we had to

1724
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 2: put on there and get in there, and sometimes we.

1725
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 4: Had to make edits.

1726
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 2: That's right, so it'll fit.

1727
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: So my question is though, I mean, you know, walk

1728
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: right Now is a guardiange Wan Time song seven minutes right, Like,

1729
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: why not edit from walk right Now? Instead of taking

1730
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: like Michael's part out of wondering who I mean, no

1731
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: one misses it because no one's ever heard it. But

1732
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very curious edit and always

1733
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: wondered like.

1734
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 6: Why did you take his part out?

1735
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: Well, you could have saved twenty three minutes. You could

1736
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: have shaved twenty three seconds from walk right now. But

1737
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: instead you.

1738
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 2: Don't know that answer, No, Jaggie, don't it just happened.

1739
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 2: We weren't feeling it and it was just happening. But

1740
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 2: on walk right now, we want to capture it now

1741
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: walk right now, but walk right now away. But uh

1742
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 2: we uh, we had the percussionist of Pauline or the

1743
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 2: Costa you said, uh it used to come in the

1744
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: studio and he have all his toys around him and

1745
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 2: all that stuff, right, and so he's trying to get

1746
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 2: some sound. But yes, and he would be laughing playing

1747
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 2: but he can play his rump off and uh. And

1748
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 2: we want to make sure that we kept all the stuff.

1749
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 2: He did keep all the stuff and on walk right now,

1750
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 2: what we One of the things we did is we

1751
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 2: took the tape, we splice it, and we took the

1752
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,600
Speaker 2: tape and we played it backwards. Yeah, you know, so

1753
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: we because you know computers today, you can do whatever

1754
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 2: you want to do, but back in those days, but

1755
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 2: when you do that, you've got to make sure that

1756
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 2: it's in sync. You got to be on the down beat.

1757
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 2: And it takes it took a while for us to

1758
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 2: get that down just the way we wanted so it

1759
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 2: can come right on the down boundary. It and something

1760
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 2: that just happened like that, and we're breathing over the

1761
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 2: over the engineer to make sure he's splicing at the

1762
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 2: right time, right spot, because you don't get a chance,

1763
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,640
Speaker 2: second chance, right exactly, you know, and he's nervous and

1764
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 2: get the razor blade and you know, then Spice put

1765
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 2: it all back together and we listened to it. It

1766
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 2: ain't down beat, Okay, we got to come back reverse

1767
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 2: and put him.

1768
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 6: You know.

1769
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 2: So it took it took some time.

1770
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, right, you know, No, I

1771
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: totally look Steve, I'm surprised Steve's not weighing in probably

1772
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: of any album that I've studied, the mixing and mastering

1773
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 1: of probably the Trump record. I asked, uh, well, yeah,

1774
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 1: the last couple of years of my life, I've been

1775
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, for my fortieth I asked, back when

1776
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: ll A Red was president of Epic, if I could,

1777
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: if you could send me all the all the the

1778
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: stems could study, and yeah, Walk Right Now had a

1779
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: lot of tracks on it, even that part with Da

1780
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: Costa's solo with all those percussion things like just the

1781
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: painstaking and you guys did it without pro tools. So yeah, yeah,

1782
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I know you guys had to make that ship up. Marlon.

1783
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: By this point, also you were doing producing yourself, working

1784
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 1: on a Betty Wright's record, in addition your sister Janet

1785
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: working on her Like, what can you talk about your

1786
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: first four race into outside producing?

1787
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 2: Well, don't stand another chance? Is is a song that

1788
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 2: Jump Barnes and I wrote?

1789
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: And can you also explain to cherylne connection with that.

1790
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 2: Because there's no Shirlene connection.

1791
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: Well, the I have a track of a cheryln song

1792
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: singing the same rhythm track, but just new lyrics of it.

1793
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I never understood the difference between I've never heard that. Yeah,

1794
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 1: it's called Love's.

1795
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 6: Quesse Love clus got stuff you don't even have.

1796
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 2: Did you have been up on Mars?

1797
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I actually asked. I was confused about it, and Jimmy

1798
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 1: Jim had told me there's Yeah, there's a song that

1799
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: came out on on her Instant not the Instant Love album,

1800
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: but it's called Love Love Rush Love Rush, It's on

1801
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 1: the Preppy album. So I wanted to know, if you like,

1802
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: what was what was the working relationship with John Barnes

1803
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 1: as far as putting that song together.

1804
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 2: We just came in and John John was playing this

1805
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 2: song and you wanted me to do the lyrics and

1806
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: and so I said, yeah, let's get it done. Let's

1807
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 2: do it. So we worked on worked on it together.

1808
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 2: John and John, John Barnes and I used to hang

1809
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 2: out all the time. He used to come over to

1810
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 2: the house all the time. And we just started writing

1811
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 2: stuff and doing stuff.

1812
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 1: And working with with Betty Wright also that process.

1813
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 2: Betty, Betty is a Betty is a great person. She's ah,

1814
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 2: you rest in peace. She just passed away, right, but

1815
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 2: she she was. She's a great woman. She's a great

1816
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 2: singer too. And on on that album. Luther did a

1817
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 2: lot of background stuff on that album before people knew

1818
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: who Luther Vandross was, you know. And I had a

1819
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: great time in the studio working with Betty. And you know,

1820
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 2: she's funny, she's she's a vocal coach as well. Uh,

1821
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 2: you know, and Betty knew every damn body you know,

1822
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 2: so when you needed something, she's a don't worry, I

1823
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 2: got it. You know, we're calling people to do stuff

1824
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 2: for us. And the end, uh, I called in John

1825
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 2: Barnes to come in because we had this band that

1826
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 2: was doing these tracks with us, and and the tracks

1827
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 2: kept swimming and the drama just couldn't keep time. And

1828
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 2: so the limb machine, the drum limb machine, it had

1829
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:16,719
Speaker 2: just come out, right, So I told John to step

1830
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 2: at my house and grab my drum limb machine, because

1831
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 2: you know, I knew how to program that that machine

1832
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: to make drums sound like to make to make them

1833
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 2: sound like rest wrong, like real, like like real real drums.

1834
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 2: And that's the whole key.

1835
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to take it. Please actually, Jackie for

1836
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: you as well. I know that your solo album came

1837
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: out in seventy three. Are you Are you even aware

1838
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: that Is It Him or Me is kind of held

1839
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:49,679
Speaker 1: up in high regard and in sort of hip hop circles.

1840
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: That's kind of a well because it has a drum,

1841
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: a famous drum break on it that you know, an

1842
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: obscure album can suddenly become like uh no, no, no, no,

1843
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't aware in active. Okay, yeah, I was going

1844
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 1: to say, like is it him or me? But I

1845
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: wanted to know about that song? Is that to you?

1846
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 6: Just like it's funny you say that because I noticed

1847
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 6: my boys. I got twin boys here, they're very young,

1848
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:21,560
Speaker 6: and over the last two weeks they've been playing that

1849
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 6: a lot in the house and I was hearing that,

1850
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 6: you know, I was upstairs and I was here, who's

1851
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 6: that singing? And it was me and you know, and

1852
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 6: my boys were like, they're seven years old. You know,

1853
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 6: it's twin boys, and they play all of our all

1854
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 6: of our music, all right, But all of a sudden,

1855
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 6: they was playing my solo album. I haven't heard that

1856
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 6: stuff in about twenty years my solo stuff maybe longer

1857
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 6: than that. And it was planning and I was really

1858
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 6: I was really grooving off of it, you know, thanks

1859
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 6: to them, but just bringing you know, to my attention

1860
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 6: and it sounds great, you know, yeah, a lot a

1861
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 6: lot of time when I tour people as aspect, how

1862
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 6: come you don't do the songs?

1863
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 2: You know?

1864
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 6: When I do the meet and wed? How can you're

1865
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 6: not doing these songs?

1866
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 2: You know?

1867
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: For again, for hip hop producers, like that album is one.

1868
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 6: Of the you know, yeah, it's one of those things that's.

1869
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: One of yeah that just caught on. So for hip

1870
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: hop collectors like is it Him or Me is like

1871
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: one of our one of our our favorite songs. But

1872
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: actually for the both of you, with you Marlon and

1873
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: with you Jackie working on Baby Tonight and your album

1874
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 1: was a be the one, what was what was that

1875
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: process like, like finally working on your solo albums in

1876
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 1: that time period like after the after the Victory album

1877
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 1: and and those things, like, what was what was that

1878
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,799
Speaker 1: process like for you working on those albums?

1879
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 2: For me, it was, well, I had a studio in

1880
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 2: the back of my house, so I'd get up in

1881
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,759
Speaker 2: pajamas and just going to studios, spin on a practice

1882
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 2: almost all night there and and just come up with

1883
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,799
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff or you know, in the studio

1884
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of stuff that I have that

1885
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 2: was never released or you know, hasn't been out, and uh,

1886
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 2: some good stuff too. I think I was playing some

1887
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,560
Speaker 2: of some of it the other day, and you know,

1888
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 2: you've been doing it all your life, so it's almost

1889
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 2: like second nature is not something you know that you

1890
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 2: whoa it's like, Okay, got to get another project done.

1891
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 2: You got to do this. I mean we grew up

1892
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 2: in the studio, we from from young kids to to now.

1893
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 2: So when you get in the studio, you you pretty

1894
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 2: much know the ins and out. You know, you how

1895
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 2: to work the boards, how to engineer this stuff. You

1896
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 2: know what you're looking for. So it was it wasn't

1897
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't that difficult. But it's fun, especially when you

1898
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 2: start working on some stuff for you for yourself. You know,

1899
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 2: you try to make it fun, but you want to

1900
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 2: make sure, as you know, you try to capture what

1901
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 2: you're looking for. But it was it wasn't that difficult.

1902
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you pretty much use the same guys that

1903
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 2: you always used on the Destiny. You call in Greg

1904
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 2: Field and Games to play some stuff, David Williams to

1905
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 2: play some licks for you, some awesome stuff that you

1906
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,839
Speaker 2: want to do. You know, you get with Jerry Hale.

1907
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 6: Or somebody and give them the horned lenks.

1908
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 2: You want to go right out the chart to do.

1909
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 2: Let me in on this.

1910
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 6: And one thing about these these artists that we had,

1911
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,839
Speaker 6: these these you know, like I said before, these artists,

1912
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 6: they they hung around us as friends, so they know

1913
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 6: everything about us.

1914
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 2: They know exactly what we were looking for. Uh.

1915
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 6: They were friends of all. We hung out together and

1916
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 6: we we went to dinner together. We did a lot

1917
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 6: of things. Matter of fact, they were our ages. I

1918
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 6: mean they grew up with us, so everything came in

1919
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 6: the nature. It was easy, you know, quite easy.

1920
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 1: I was going to say, Marlon, one of one of

1921
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: the bands that I like is is Gritty Polity and

1922
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, fred Fred Mayer, Yeah, the album

1923
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:03,560
Speaker 1: with you?

1924
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 4: What was it?

1925
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 1: What was it like working with them?

1926
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Fred Fred was cool because it was my first time.

1927
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 2: Fred Is One turned me onto the ad One. I

1928
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 2: don't know if you're familiar with the add one drums

1929
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 2: drum kit?

1930
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 5: Is it?

1931
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's the same kid that Phil Collins use on

1932
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 2: I can feel it in the air tonight. Yeah, is

1933
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 2: that is that sounding? And fred Fred that a matter

1934
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 2: of fact, I bought one and we came up and

1935
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 2: we wrote a lot of stuff together. Yes, I like

1936
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 2: screaty pliny today. You be doing yourself huh.

1937
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 5: Like he had a sound, I got a whole sears.

1938
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 5: I got to write that one down to.

1939
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: We talked about them on another episode. I can't remember.

1940
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of deeping on them. Yeah. I was

1941
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 1: going to say, no, we're not just thriller bandwagoners like

1942
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,759
Speaker 1: we're you know we we we know the whole spectrum

1943
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 1: of the entire work of you know, all all nine

1944
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: of you. Actually, wait a minute, we're talking about scary videos.

1945
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: The one we never mentioned it was freaking torture. Oh yeah, yeah,

1946
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't watch that one. Yeah, I didn't

1947
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: watch that one with Jackie the Eye in the head.

1948
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 1: Why that was.

1949
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: Torture is a great song?

1950
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 6: No, it was.

1951
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: It was a great song. But now I just think

1952
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 1: of and like the Slime.

1953
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 2: Story.

1954
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 6: We're on the Victory tour right the very beginning of

1955
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 6: the Victory tour, and at the time I was dating

1956
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 6: Paul Due At the time, I was the one who

1957
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 6: ropped whoever that is. I was the one who got

1958
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 6: her in the industry. I mean when she was a

1959
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 6: Laker girl. I remember sitting on the floor all.

1960
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 2: The Abduchie did you get her? In the nasty video?

1961
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 6: Me and Marlin had see some Lake and see on

1962
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 6: the floors when Magic Johnson was doing their thing at

1963
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 6: the time, And I'm sitting on the floor and every

1964
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 6: day I'm on the floor walks around every day before

1965
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 6: the game start. Dinzel would come over and say hello

1966
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 6: tover we come for. He comes in lake and I

1967
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 6: think he just came off his first big movie, his

1968
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 6: first movie, and he would walk around the place and

1969
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,719
Speaker 6: people really didn't know who he was, and he would

1970
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 6: come over and say hello to me. But he's Dinzel today.

1971
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 6: But anyway, I'm sitting on the floor and all of

1972
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 6: a sudden, Paula comes over and another girl comes over

1973
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 6: and they want an autograph, you know, And all of

1974
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 6: a sudden I signed an autograph and she goes back

1975
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 6: and sit behind the basket, well you know where the

1976
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 6: Laker girls sit there and sit behind the basket, and

1977
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Sam wha and come over and

1978
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 6: said Jackie, Paula wants to know that you want to

1979
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 6: have coffee, you have to be a game. And I said, sure,

1980
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 6: let's let's go tell her. Yeah. I made her after

1981
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 6: the game, and so we went to have some coffee

1982
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 6: and we became very good friends, you know, and we

1983
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 6: dated for like four years.

1984
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1985
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 6: Next thing I know, she's doing Janet videos and put

1986
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 6: her with Janet. Me and John McLean put her the Janet.

1987
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 6: She's doing all the Janet stuff. And next thing, we

1988
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 6: go on the Victory tour and we have way in

1989
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 6: New York City. So we had a cattle call of people,

1990
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 6: maybe three hundred people to be in this video. And

1991
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 6: she helped me arrange the video for torture video. And

1992
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I said, paul I want you

1993
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 6: to choreograph this video.

1994
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 2: She said no.

1995
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 6: I said, Paula, I believe in you.

1996
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: You can do it.

1997
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 6: Don't be afraid. You can do this, And and she did.

1998
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: And she that's the first video she choreographed.

1999
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 6: She put it together, yeah, and everything.

2000
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, oh okay. And subsequent well assume that she

2001
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,640
Speaker 1: also did the body video as well, because that was well,

2002
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: it was kind of a video of a cat of

2003
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 1: the body.

2004
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 2: She didn't. Oh no, Michael Peters did that.

2005
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:25,759
Speaker 5: Oh Michael Peter.

2006
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: Uh, the legendary Michael Peters.

2007
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Peters are bad. I don't care what in

2008
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:34,400
Speaker 2: peace man.

2009
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 5: And I asked for a question, and you guys were

2010
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 5: talking about bands. I just wanted to ask about your

2011
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 5: touring bands because you imagine that like whatever the audition

2012
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 5: process is must be a must be crazy to audition

2013
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 5: for the Jackson's. But I know I was lucky enough,

2014
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 5: like I don't know, seven years ago to be a

2015
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 5: production assistant on a Jackson's tour and you guys have Yeah,

2016
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 5: But I went to London with y'all. I went to

2017
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 5: the the Isle of Wight and I went to a

2018
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 5: I didn't like.

2019
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

2020
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 5: Helping out with Bill Brown and Nick and everybody gap

2021
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 5: helping you in the dressing rooms. Listen. I was on

2022
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 5: a hustle. When you get fire from radio, you gout,

2023
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 5: you know, because I love Bill Brown. I didn't know this, Yeah,

2024
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 5: I mentioned because I took a whole stele.

2025
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tour with the Jackson's, you know. One time I.

2026
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 5: Worked for the Jackson's and it was just amazing to

2027
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 5: see that, like the band that y'all formed was not

2028
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 5: only just some of them were young, like your music

2029
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 5: director of Brandon at the time, he was like thirty

2030
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 5: early maybe thirty right, but just a dynamic, amazing, stupendous band.

2031
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 5: And you combined it with some ogs. But can you

2032
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 5: just talk about the process now for to put together

2033
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 5: a Jackson band who's playing bass by the way, in

2034
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 5: your current band, Brandon is young. Brandon want to Oscar

2035
01:50:58,479 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 5: when he was for three six Mafia.

2036
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, killing.

2037
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 5: And your drummer and your drummer and your percussionists.

2038
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

2039
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what is the process now? But what's the

2040
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 5: process now? How did you how do you decide who's

2041
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 5: good enough.

2042
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 6: To well, you know, you know, you know, when those

2043
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 6: guys come in, they come in knowing the music.

2044
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:26,560
Speaker 2: They come in playing it because they grew up on it.

2045
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 1: We had years to learn it.

2046
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 6: Yeh yeah, they come in knowing the stuff. You know

2047
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 6: when they started playing. Oh my god, these young cauts,

2048
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 6: how do they know this stuff like this?

2049
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 2: You know, and they grew up playing you know. Yeah,

2050
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 2: you just polish him up a little bit, but they

2051
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 2: pretty much.

2052
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,640
Speaker 5: What And another question says, you guys are going to

2053
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 5: steal tour right after COVID because y'all have been touring. Okay,

2054
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 5: so can you tell people your routines? Your dance routine

2055
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 5: seemed the exact same. I mean from the freeze that

2056
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 5: you talked about, like everything y'all do your body's move

2057
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 5: the exact same? Is it the exact same? And how

2058
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 5: do y'all maintain that? Tito gave me some quick like

2059
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 5: this is just what we do answer, But I know

2060
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 5: Marlon and Jacket.

2061
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 6: It is you know, you know, once once we you know,

2062
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 6: we can pay all stage for the longest time, and

2063
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 6: once we get together, somehow it just comes together. It

2064
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 6: comes that way because we've been doing it for so long.

2065
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 6: We just know each other's moves. We know, matter of fact,

2066
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 6: we know where Michael would be on stage. You know,

2067
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 6: any given time, we know exactly where he would be

2068
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 6: on that stage, even today if we go in the States,

2069
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 6: you know, and that's how it works. We just it

2070
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 6: just works that way.

2071
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 5: How do you make sure your bodies are still able

2072
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 5: to keep up with these moves on the daily sometimes?

2073
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 2: You know, you know, when you're on stage if you

2074
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 2: try to if you think of a move and try

2075
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,600
Speaker 2: to do it, it doesn't work. That when you just

2076
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 2: gotta feel it and you do it and don't think

2077
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 2: about it. That's that's the bottom of the line. You know.

2078
01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,839
Speaker 1: Y'all brothers, y'all take vitamins and things.

2079
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah we did.

2080
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 6: We stay in shape and plus you know, like our

2081
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 6: show is like a high energy show and it's like

2082
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 6: working out. To me, he could work out because I

2083
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 6: get a break, workout, Aspire a lot but only yes,

2084
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 6: Plus you get a check at the end of the day.

2085
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just talk about it.

2086
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 2: It's like it's like going to the gym.

2087
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 6: You know, it's like it's a great workout for we

2088
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 6: love it.

2089
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 2: The main key, the main kids, make sure you get

2090
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 2: your rest. We do not go out and party at clubs.

2091
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 2: We never did day all night.

2092
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 6: We never did.

2093
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 2: We go to bed and get our rest so we

2094
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 2: can be ready to go the next day.

2095
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2096
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 3: I was curious to know too, like y'all's, you know,

2097
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 3: because y'all were raised Jovah's witness, and I was scarious

2098
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 3: to know how your parents at that time, you know,

2099
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:46,640
Speaker 3: when y'all were kids and just throughout your career, how

2100
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 3: much did your faith play in you know, I guess

2101
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 3: developing that discipline that you guys talk about. And how

2102
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 3: did your parents say, Okay, y'all, can you got your career,

2103
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 3: but you also have to I guess worship in whatever way.

2104
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 2: How did y'all start, Well, my mom was different long

2105
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 2: as you had some type of spiritual belief or whatever.

2106
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:09,559
Speaker 2: But they understood that uh dollar bill's got you out

2107
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 2: of Gary.

2108
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.

2109
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 2: But we say, but what I loved about my mam

2110
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,839
Speaker 2: is that she didn't try to force the religion.

2111
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2112
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Jehovah winners because when I got married,

2113
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, I I became a Catholic and a Catholic

2114
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 2: church all the time and got my wife. As long

2115
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,880
Speaker 2: as you had some type of belief and and and

2116
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 2: God in your life and tried to do the right thing,

2117
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 2: she was comfortable with that. Now my sister, my sister,

2118
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 2: really she's different.

2119
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 5: She's still She.

2120
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 2: Thought and washed towels that you.

2121
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 6: And Michael. And Michael was baptized too. Michael got baptized.

2122
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 6: He was baptized at one time, and he told me

2123
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 6: the story that he was really serious. A Saturday, you

2124
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 6: know how Joe Woodness knocked on the door and talked

2125
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 6: to West towner. So Michael knocked on this girl's door.

2126
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 6: She opened the door and realized it was him, and

2127
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 6: she started peeing. He said, she started peeing, right, she stop,

2128
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 6: you know what to do?

2129
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 10: He told me, he's trying to teach her about Jehovah

2130
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 10: the God, Jehovah God, right, and she's realizing sim.

2131
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 1: But she just stopped.

2132
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 2: This is a true story, Yeah, true story.

2133
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 1: That is our clip for this episode.

2134
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see it animated.

2135
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really serious.

2136
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 6: Bill Brave was waiting for him because Bill Brave, you know,

2137
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 6: he would go waiting at times, you know, standing standing

2138
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 6: over the corner and wait for him, you know, and

2139
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 6: and uh, he would go out and people. It was

2140
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 6: kind of hard for him to do that at the time,

2141
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 6: but he did it, you know, and so and so

2142
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 6: some of the things he really wanted to do, he

2143
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 6: had to get out of the faith, you know, he

2144
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 6: had to get out of your witness due to really

2145
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 6: do his thing where he really wanted to go. You

2146
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.

2147
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never going to get that visual up. Oh

2148
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 1: thank you, Jackie. I appreciate that. I can ask questions forever.

2149
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Have you guys have done your questions?

2150
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 5: As I got one family question. I want to know

2151
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 5: throughout your lives and actually now post Roona, how you

2152
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 5: guys maintained speaking to each other. How you guys maintain

2153
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 5: because it's eight it's eight of y'all Jackson family.

2154
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,600
Speaker 6: Right, we do this sometimes like we're doing right now.

2155
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 6: And sometimes Tito would come in my house. I'll be

2156
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 6: Tito at a park, you know, we meet you know,

2157
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 6: his wife and my wife we meet with the kids

2158
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 6: and at a park, you know, we do that sometimes.

2159
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 6: And because it's it's really serious out there, you know,

2160
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 6: with this coronavirus, and you gotta be real, real careful,

2161
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 6: especially in California this way. Yes, it's tough. You gotta,

2162
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 6: I mean, you have to mess up, keep your hands clean.

2163
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 6: And that's what we do so far. So far, I'm good.

2164
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 6: How is Rebe?

2165
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 2: Reebe's doing well. She lives with my mom. She stayed

2166
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 2: with my mom.

2167
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 6: Wants my mom, my mam and Rebe together and I

2168
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 6: love it. They're decorating the house right now, doing it

2169
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 6: all over again. And that's what my mom is doing.

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Speaker 6: She's so alert. You're talking to my mom. You think

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Speaker 6: she's around forty years old?

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Speaker 1: Yo, your mom?

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Speaker 5: How old is she now, Jackie?

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Speaker 4: She'll be ninety one May fourth, ninety Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: She's ninety now. She'd be ninety one. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 6: She's doing.

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Speaker 1: But that's amazing.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy when she wake up every morning, you know,

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Speaker 6: happy to see her.

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Speaker 1: My last question was I know that you guys often

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Speaker 1: talk about like you guys try to get together as

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Speaker 1: a family and all that, but with the kids until

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Speaker 1: how how hard is it to organize Jackson family reunions.

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Speaker 6: Right now?

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Speaker 1: Does that still happen? Not right now?

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Speaker 6: It's very difficult to do that.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 6: Right now is very before we do it all the time.

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Speaker 5: Like three hundred Jackson Street, the video that was like

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Speaker 5: real life.

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Speaker 1: Yes, to be the person that cooks that food.

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Speaker 5: Okay, they got somebody for.

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Speaker 1: No, you know what I met your I met the

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Speaker 1: I met your dessert maker, the woman that makes all

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Speaker 1: the cakes and I forget her.

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Speaker 2: Name he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about she makes this German chocolate cake that's.

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Speaker 4: Out of Come on, you know, Cordia.

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Speaker 1: Cordia, Cordia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cordia. Not only what she does for Will Smith too.

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Speaker 1: No, she does for everybody, Like, uh, she came to

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Speaker 1: a Janet show and she snuck I think at the time,

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01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: Jan's like, I'm not to have this, and she snuck

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Speaker 1: her like a Kate Cooch real coverd it'stle like back

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Speaker 1: Alley Deals sort of thing. And then she introduced herself

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Speaker 1: to me and I was like, oh, you've been making

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Speaker 1: cakes with the Jackson's how long? And then she med, well,

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Speaker 1: now she's official man's.

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Speaker 6: She's great, amazing, amazing, But question quest, can I say something? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'd like to thank you man, You've been so supportive

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Speaker 6: in my family. We would go to we would go

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Speaker 6: to uh fight Star hotels. Right, we walk into hotels

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Speaker 6: and on the coffee table be this big coffee book, right.

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Speaker 2: And I open it up. It's you and there you

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Speaker 2: in the book. Really a lot of hotels.

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Speaker 6: You were inside the book and you're staying there with

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Speaker 6: all Jackson Para familiar all all over the place where

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Speaker 6: the Jackson's albums.

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Speaker 2: And I would see this and that's.

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Speaker 6: How I learned that you were you know, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Said, thank this guy. You know, the biggest the biggest

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Speaker 2: picture I saw was in Heartbreak Hotel.

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Speaker 1: Not just kidding.

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Speaker 2: I see yo for real in London. Everywhere we go,

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Speaker 2: we see you in these books.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: On the coffee table, there's London hotels.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I must get around everywhere.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: You guys, you guys, are you know our first superheroes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm royal to man like literally, y'all. Music has

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Speaker 3: been a part of my life. I'm for to Your

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Speaker 3: music has been You've been Your music has been a

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Speaker 3: part of my life, like my whole life, Like I

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Speaker 3: don't ever remember point of my life not knowing a

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Speaker 3: Jackson song or hearing the music in my house or

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Speaker 3: my mother playing or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And no, man, I just give y'all brother's flowers. Love

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Speaker 1: y'all flowers flowers right now, give it.

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Speaker 5: And I remind people again when we go outside, go

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Speaker 5: see the Jackson's live it is just like it was ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 5: twenty thirty four. It's a it's all the same, yes,

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Speaker 5: just the.

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Speaker 1: Same as gentlemen, Thank you very much for this podcast.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate, Tito. Can I ask one final question?

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Speaker 1: Mark hell, I forget it came out.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 8: Just you don't often get a chance to ask motown

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Speaker 8: legends who their favorite Motown legends are. So I'm just

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Speaker 8: wondering who, like, as on a personal level, who your

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Speaker 8: favorite Motown artist or band was, if you could just

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Speaker 8: pick one, well project besides the J five'll.

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Speaker 6: Be Barbie Gay, yeah, Marmon Tito. For me, it's like

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Speaker 6: the Temptations. They they're the ones who really we watched

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Speaker 6: a lot of Temptations it was and Dinah Ross I

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Speaker 6: hate said, I got I got to bring her up.

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Speaker 2: I have to and the Pips.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, squad. Actually, wait, everybody wait. Steve

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Speaker 1: actually brought up something that we normally asked and I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask Stevie. Oh, I'm sorry, Okay, I'm sorry, of course,

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Speaker 1: cousin Stevie, Marvi gab my thing. I was going to say, uh, well,

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Speaker 1: normally Steve asked this question. But when you guys were

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Speaker 1: in that in Senio house, what was the record collection?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Oh, and where is it now?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: How big was the record collection? And who decided what

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Speaker 1: got played?

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Speaker 2: We will had our own record collection, I believe. I

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Speaker 2: mean I listened. I mean I got a lot of

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Speaker 2: Quincy Jones albums. I had Marvin Gaye's Distant Lovers album.

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Speaker 2: I had Backstabbers, Hell Mervyn and the Blue Notes. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: deliver tracks, Science still delivered. We you know, have the

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Speaker 2: stuff on cassettes. Y'all forgot about cassettes, you know, so

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Speaker 2: we you know, Jackie, Jackie, it's a blessing to see

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Speaker 2: these numbers. I know a lot of jumpers don't get

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Speaker 2: to see these numbers. But you know, we listened. We

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Speaker 2: listened to all kinds of music, I mean country, Western music. Uh,

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Speaker 2: did all kinds of it all because great music is

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Speaker 2: great music. I don't care what genre is is you

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Speaker 2: know great music, it's just great music, you know.

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Speaker 1: Amen? Okay, Well, and.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, I'm Mana Jackson you on the Quest

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Speaker 2: Love Show.

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Speaker 1: Babies, We'll be having, We'll be having everyone. This is now.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you all on the next go round. This

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