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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle. Get Him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: Get him in a Huddle, Get him in a New

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Speaker 1: York Giants podcast. I'm John Smolkin. Welcome to the newest

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Speaker 1: episode of The Giants Huddle podcast. This week's guest NFL

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Speaker 1: Networks Draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: And now we're joined by our guests on the Giant

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Speaker 1: Huttle podcast that is Daniel Jeremiah, former NFL Scout, NFL

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Speaker 1: network analysts. You can find them on Twitter at and

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks and you can also find them on

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Speaker 1: the Move the Sticks podcast with Bucky Brooks. Daniel, I

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Speaker 1: enjoy the podcast, and since we're talking Giants football, I

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Speaker 1: encourage people to tune into your episode back in the

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Speaker 1: spring when you basically talk to everybody in Daniel Jones's

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Speaker 1: life on your Daniel Jones three sixty podcast. Tell the

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Speaker 1: folks if they go check that out, what they can

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Speaker 1: hear there. Yeah, I know, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: We've done this every year. We've tried to identify a

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Speaker 1: handful of of high ranking prospect and do a deep dive,

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Speaker 1: you know, as if we were, you know, still studying

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Speaker 1: for the team. And um, what we did, we were

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Speaker 1: able to reach out to family members and we literally

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Speaker 1: talked to was his mom and sister, Uh, coach cut

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Speaker 1: Cliff who coached and Duke. We talked to people that

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Speaker 1: were around him in high school. Um, so we had

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Speaker 1: a chance to to really do a deep dive on

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Speaker 1: him and find out a lot, not just about him

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Speaker 1: as a player because we can all see that and

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Speaker 1: you know, strengths and weaknesses, uh and those things, but

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Speaker 1: find out a lot about his personality. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you go to Interview dot com slash mt S three

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Speaker 1: six MTS stands from Moved the Sticks so NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com slash MTS three sixty, Um, you can find all

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Speaker 1: those episodes, including the Daniel Jones episode. And uh, I

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Speaker 1: think you learned you learn a little bit more about him,

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Speaker 1: and I think you you kind of see that there's

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Speaker 1: guess our time it could be a little bit better. Though.

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Speaker 1: I guess you learned a little bit something about quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: He's coming off to real good defenses, Daniel with the

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Speaker 1: Vikings and the Patriots. What have you seen from Daniel

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Speaker 1: And I think it kind of reflects back to his

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