WEBVTT - Why can’t men find anything?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm manny, and this is no such thing to show

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<v Speaker 1>where were subtle r dumb arguments and yours by actually

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<v Speaker 1>doing the research this week, where the hell is the

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<v Speaker 1>damn ketchup? No, there's no no such thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Touch, thank touch, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>Touch Touch.

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<v Speaker 1>This week is very kind of U you know, sitcom

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<v Speaker 1>coded episode, very King of Queen's style. It's about, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>a common trope that men can't find things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in their own home, where presumably they would have some

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<v Speaker 1>sense of where the condiments are, spices or other everyday items.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys relate to this?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, but I will I'll add in a dandum here

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<v Speaker 4>that like, I've only run into this when I've lived

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<v Speaker 4>with my partner. So like before, when I lived by myself,

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<v Speaker 4>it was fine because there's only so many places a

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<v Speaker 4>thing could be. But these days, yeah, there's like a

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<v Speaker 4>learning curve a little bit when you move in with

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<v Speaker 4>someone who does things a little bit differently me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm easy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll adapt to your style, but you know it might

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<v Speaker 4>take me some time.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So you're you're basically did you have this issue

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<v Speaker 5>with roommates?

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<v Speaker 6>Are there men that you lived with?

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<v Speaker 4>Not that I can remember, no, but would you be

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<v Speaker 4>sharing less of things? Yeah, that's what I really is about,

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 5>But you and your wife now have lived in two

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<v Speaker 5>separate places where you both moved into these places together. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, to some degree, you're setting up these places collaboratively.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not like she moved into your apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, or you move We both went into these places.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, let's just remember that for later in the episode. Okay, Wait,

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<v Speaker 5>what are certain things that you like are looking for

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<v Speaker 5>that you can't find?

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<v Speaker 6>Give us an example, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what, it's really a problem when I'm putting stuff away,

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<v Speaker 4>then I just put it to finding things, so I

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<v Speaker 4>relate to unloading the dishwasher.

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<v Speaker 6>You put things in the wrong spots, or I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Be like, where does this thing go? That I never

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<v Speaker 4>fucking use? So can I be held accountable for not

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<v Speaker 4>knowing where it goes? Sometimes I feel like I don't

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<v Speaker 4>use the thing, you know, give me, cut me some slack.

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<v Speaker 6>But so you don't cook as often?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean yeah, not as often for sure. But she

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<v Speaker 4>drinks a lot of coffee and tea and has all

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<v Speaker 4>these like dow hickeys that I just never use.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know where to put feminine devices.

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<v Speaker 4>Tea. Hey I didn't say it, but not not really

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<v Speaker 4>in case you're listening to this, honey, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean I'm trying to think what specific things definitely, like

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<v Speaker 1>I set it up, like spices and kind of small

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<v Speaker 1>items that aren't in everyday use. It could be in

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<v Speaker 1>one of two places and you know, maybe we have

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<v Speaker 1>run out of the coriander, you know, outside of the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Other things like where a certain type of towel is

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, or cleaning agents. Yeah, yeah, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be little things like that where it could be Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be in the bathroom under the sink. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be in the kind of storage closet, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be in the office closet. Like you know, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our apartments not that big, but there's just so there's

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<v Speaker 1>like three or four places where everything is crammed in.

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<v Speaker 1>And then because of that, it is kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>ordeal if you have to like move things out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way. So that's where I think maybe a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the frustration stems from where now it's like all

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<v Speaker 1>right now I need to dig in here. That said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think some OF's this tripe comes up in a

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<v Speaker 1>way where it's like, well, maybe I'm asking where it

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<v Speaker 1>is so we can get to the answer quicker than

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<v Speaker 1>me digging around, maybe making a mess. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>when again, when it's not an everyday use item, it

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<v Speaker 1>might just be easier to have communication.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like asking my friend what time is the

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<v Speaker 4>Lakers game versus googling it. Like if I'm right next

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<v Speaker 4>to my friend, he might know the answer.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, But to stand out for the women in your

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<v Speaker 5>life is kind of annoying. And we talk about this

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<v Speaker 5>all the time when people ask you shit that they

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<v Speaker 5>should know or they can google.

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<v Speaker 1>Themselves, weaponize some competency.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I've heard this term.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So like if you, for example, Noah, You're like, dammit,

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<v Speaker 5>I need some Lifesol wipes?

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<v Speaker 6>Where do we put that?

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<v Speaker 5>All right, this one time you're looking for it, you

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<v Speaker 5>don't know. You know it could be in one of

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<v Speaker 5>three places. You find them, use them, you put them back.

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<v Speaker 5>Three months from now you're thinking about where the Lifesol

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<v Speaker 5>wipes are? Does that stick in your brain?

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<v Speaker 6>You now know?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I've I've was looking for the Lefsol wipes at

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<v Speaker 5>one time. I know it's in Yeah, i'mder the sink

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<v Speaker 5>or do you are you like a goldfish?

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<v Speaker 6>You got start over?

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<v Speaker 5>You're like, I know it's in one of these three

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<v Speaker 5>places I remember where if.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is in order, hopefully then I typically I think

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember. That's okay, okay, But I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is also where you know, you can easily get into

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, teach a man to fish situation where okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if I actually then go and get it myself, I

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<v Speaker 1>will know, yes.

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<v Speaker 6>Versus if you're told. If I'm told or you know,

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<v Speaker 6>go get.

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<v Speaker 1>It grabbing for you then given to me, then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I put them back, but not connecting the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just to concede a little bit here. There are

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<v Speaker 4>times when I'll get the answer and I think that

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<v Speaker 4>makes me forget about where it was, Like my my

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<v Speaker 4>problem that I was having was solved.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and so you don't even have to remember to.

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<v Speaker 4>Go so like next time, I'm like, damn, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>ingest that answer.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, in one air out the other.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think some you know, many times I

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<v Speaker 4>think I like this, like we are remembering I think

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<v Speaker 4>the times we ask where the thing goes, but of

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<v Speaker 4>course you don't remember the times we don't ask. There

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<v Speaker 4>are I know true. I know all the things you do,

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<v Speaker 4>know where the bread is, where the cereal of the time,

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<v Speaker 4>not asking where something goes. It's those moments where I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know that are more memorable.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, how long do you think you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>need until you're able to not have to ask?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I just think you're ever reached that day? Or

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<v Speaker 6>is it just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely over time?

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<v Speaker 6>But I guess some of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think about it as like an assignment that

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<v Speaker 4>needs to.

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<v Speaker 6>Be so it's not something you're striving towards.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's relatively not important in my life. Okay, other now,

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<v Speaker 4>you know I do want to be helpful.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's not so you're not embarrassed or like concerned

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<v Speaker 5>that every once in a while you don't know where

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<v Speaker 5>something goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm confident enough in myself that I'm able to

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<v Speaker 1>ask for help. Yeah, you know it's a man.

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<v Speaker 6>You're confident enough of your man wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm able to say, babe, I need I need

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<v Speaker 1>help right now? Where the hell is the catcher?

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<v Speaker 6>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>The eggs are getting cold, crying the eggs get it's

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<v Speaker 1>been six hours.

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<v Speaker 6>What the help?

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<v Speaker 1>I've looked everywhere?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm an investigative journalists here on the pod.

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<v Speaker 5>So I didn't want to just take what both Menny

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<v Speaker 5>and Noah said about their home lives and how good

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<v Speaker 5>they are at finding things. So I, you know, hopped

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<v Speaker 5>in the group chat that I have with the girls

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<v Speaker 5>secret we have a secret one. So I'm gonna play

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<v Speaker 5>some soundbites starting with Mia about how well does many

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<v Speaker 5>do in a house at finding things?

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<v Speaker 1>Be interested to hear this.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that he's like, doesn't quite have eyes for

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<v Speaker 7>the kitchen, you know, keeps it sort of organized and stuff,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's just like when it comes to like where

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<v Speaker 7>things go, I'm like, oh, this is so funny that

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of thought that we had organized the kitchen together.

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<v Speaker 7>And then sometimes I'll just be looking for something and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, aware, enough.

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<v Speaker 7>Could that possibly be? And I'll find it in a

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<v Speaker 7>completely different place and I'm like, oh, I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 7>thought to put it there when I hurt my back recently.

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<v Speaker 7>So then Money was in charge of like doing everything

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<v Speaker 7>in the kitchen, cooking, cleaning, like putting stuff away, and

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<v Speaker 7>I'd be sat there next to him, like at the

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<v Speaker 7>bar on a bar stool, watching him try to navigate

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<v Speaker 7>some of this stuff, and it was so funny where

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<v Speaker 7>he's like holding up a measuring cup being like I

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<v Speaker 7>know where this goes, but like just remind me where's

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<v Speaker 7>his go and I'm like, in that cupboard. The other day,

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<v Speaker 7>he was like putting a blender away, and he was

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<v Speaker 7>going to put it with all of the canned goods

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<v Speaker 7>like where we have like beans and crushed tomato sauce.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was like, oh, no, that doesn't go there.

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<v Speaker 7>That just that goes in the next cupboard. So then

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<v Speaker 7>he was gonna put it below with all the vinegar.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, no, no, try again.

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<v Speaker 6>It goes in.

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<v Speaker 7>Another cupboard, and eventually he found the cupboard where we

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<v Speaker 7>keep appliances, and I was like, wow, that's that's so

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<v Speaker 7>interesting that in my mind I just kind of like

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<v Speaker 7>know where everything goes. But I was like, maybe he

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<v Speaker 7>comes into the kitchen every day and it's like what

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<v Speaker 7>new adventures away? Where could this go? If I thought

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<v Speaker 7>about it fresh?

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<v Speaker 1>This is libel.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you know where the blender goes?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't fucking use the blender.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't use this shit, so I need your help.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't put that shit anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think generally ninety nine percent of the things

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<v Speaker 4>I can't remember where they go. It's stuff I don't use,

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<v Speaker 4>I will.

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<v Speaker 5>Say, to give me any credit, you were talking about

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<v Speaker 5>people don't remember when you do.

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<v Speaker 6>Find things exactly. We do have an example here.

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<v Speaker 7>I was surprised to learn that he does know where

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<v Speaker 7>we keep the like bulk salt because we have like

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<v Speaker 7>a what do you call it, like a little jar

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<v Speaker 7>with salt in it, and we refill it with this

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<v Speaker 7>big salt thing that's kind of hidden in the back

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<v Speaker 7>of the car cupboard. And I like had realized that

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<v Speaker 7>I was the one that you should refilled it. So

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, I wonder, like, I'm guessing he probably

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't know where it is. And then the other day

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<v Speaker 7>he refilled it, and I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he does know where these things are.

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<v Speaker 4>She's talking about me like a like a chimpion learn

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<v Speaker 4>how to use tools.

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<v Speaker 1>A shocking new development. Surprise, you knew where the salt is?

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<v Speaker 6>All right? No, yeah, you're up next.

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<v Speaker 1>I know she's been waiting for this episode.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say you you were marked safe in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of most things in the kitchen. Yeah, not a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of examples there you're pretty good about that.

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<v Speaker 6>But Noah's issue is laundry. Mmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, it's not my laundry.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, let's play it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take the many the many defense. Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>Noah cannot discern where my clothing goes at all in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that's like really should be studied, Like the

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<v Speaker 3>sports bras are going with like the sleep clothes and

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<v Speaker 3>the T shirts are going in the underwear drawer, and

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<v Speaker 3>like every time we talk about it, he's just like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but your system is hard, Like your system's hard, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's something about it that just truly does not compute

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<v Speaker 3>for him. Like I think if he could put it

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<v Speaker 3>away right, he would, but every time he does it wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>and every time I say, oh, that would be fine

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<v Speaker 3>if you did it wrong, because then you would learn,

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like completely unknowable to him. I will try

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<v Speaker 3>to explain the difference between an AARSM top and a

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<v Speaker 3>sports bra.

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<v Speaker 8>Really hard for him to get his head around.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just feel like that's related in some way

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<v Speaker 3>to just like complete inability to pick up on details

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<v Speaker 3>that feel so fundamental to like an art item's properties

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<v Speaker 3>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain my system, Okay, Yeah, there's pants in one drawer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like sweatshirts and sweatpants in another drawer. Above those,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got socks one drawer.

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<v Speaker 4>Same, I've got a lot, way too many draws to

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's more of a box, uh drawer thing, probably

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<v Speaker 4>not a big drawer.

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<v Speaker 1>Like okay, so boys, and then underwear and like athletic shorts.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, those are in the same. Yeah, my socks were

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<v Speaker 6>in my underwear.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. If I if I didn't have so many.

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<v Speaker 6>Socks, you have less socks, maybe you could get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then above that T shirts one drawer and then

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<v Speaker 1>another one for like basically polos and kind of some

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<v Speaker 1>miscellaneous shirts that aren't like.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, not a straight T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's my six drawers six that's my system. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>her she is six drawers as well. It's just incomprehensible

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<v Speaker 1>because the workout clothes seem like sleep clothes to me.

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<v Speaker 6>But they're different.

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<v Speaker 5>Apparently you don't know the difference between a sports.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there then there's like and then it's like socks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it just to me, it seems like a jumpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time I opened them. I'm looking and one of

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<v Speaker 1>her drawers doesn't really it'll open or won't close. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole over the level of frustration. Now where I'm now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really messing this thing up.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So let me ask you. Is it what's confusing

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<v Speaker 5>to you? You don't know where things go, or you

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<v Speaker 5>can't discern what the.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't discern what when I open the drawer, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to tell what.

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<v Speaker 6>Which is which?

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<v Speaker 1>What category should be in here? It is the issue.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, let's be honest here. How much of this do

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<v Speaker 5>you actually really care about? Like how much of this

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<v Speaker 5>is like if you actually put your mind to it,

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<v Speaker 5>could you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it depends what you mean by put my

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<v Speaker 1>mind to it. I mean do I care about it?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, I mean like part of it is

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<v Speaker 5>like whatever, It's like, this is your stuff. Like if

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<v Speaker 5>I put something in slightly the wrong drawer, it's not

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<v Speaker 5>that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>That's more or less.

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<v Speaker 6>You think that's more of it, or.

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<v Speaker 5>You think it's like you're like fuck every week, I

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<v Speaker 5>am like trying my hardest to do this and it's

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<v Speaker 5>just not clicked. I mean I could yeah, I could

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<v Speaker 5>got a hard closed blindness or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I could try harder. I think it is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of closed blindness, where like I'm not just throwing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in. Yeah, you're trying a little bit, but my

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<v Speaker 1>system is a lot simpler, I think, even though I've sick.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow, guy, there are a lot simpler.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got like three categories.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, let me play this because Julia also said this

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<v Speaker 5>in her voice memo, and I think this rings tree

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<v Speaker 5>to me.

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously, I know that's not about finding things, but I

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<v Speaker 8>feel like, as I'm sure you all get into, so

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<v Speaker 8>much of this is like dumbass, like mental load shit

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<v Speaker 8>of like living in partnership with anyone where one person

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<v Speaker 8>is going to be better at something than others. But

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<v Speaker 8>like the home is considered the woman's domain, whether I

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<v Speaker 8>want it to be or not, like whether I agree

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<v Speaker 8>or not, and whether the people coming into my home

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<v Speaker 8>agree or not. Ultimately, in my mind, I've been raised

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<v Speaker 8>with like this is my responsibility. You haven't been raised

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<v Speaker 8>that way, and I feel like that's obviously part of it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>you haven't been raised to really take not responsibility for this,

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<v Speaker 8>but like you don't see it as at all related

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<v Speaker 8>to who you are as a person or like a

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<v Speaker 8>value about you it's not as important to you to

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<v Speaker 8>know where things go because it's keeping an organized is

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<v Speaker 8>not a value judgment on you as a person, in

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<v Speaker 8>your capability to exist in the world in general. And

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<v Speaker 8>so like then being met with obviously wanting to be

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<v Speaker 8>a good partner and wanting to be helpful, then being

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<v Speaker 8>intently bad at something like that like feels bad. So

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<v Speaker 8>then it's kind of futile.

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<v Speaker 5>You think that rings true to you that like you

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<v Speaker 5>just don't view it as like, well, you don't see

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<v Speaker 5>it as a reflection.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's you. I think there are worse

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<v Speaker 1>character flaws for someone to have. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think in a perfect world we would all be able

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<v Speaker 1>to mess up where things are, you know, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's sad that this is what society has done to

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<v Speaker 1>our queens, my queen specifically.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, people are dying.

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<v Speaker 5>This is like they're big There are bigger issues in

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<v Speaker 5>a worried about the war is not top of the list.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I can't, I can't distinguish the unicule tops

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<v Speaker 1>like have you seen the news?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because in the White House, speaking in a group chat,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to make it clear both of them are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this isn't really that big of a deal in our relationship.

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<v Speaker 6>But I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was listening to what she was saying about, like

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<v Speaker 4>what you're expected to do, or like what the home

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<v Speaker 4>is a reflection on. But I kind of agree with

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<v Speaker 4>no where we're like, yeah, it should be the case

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<v Speaker 4>that they're allowed to make more mistakes, not the case

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<v Speaker 4>that I should be perfect at putting stuff away.

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<v Speaker 5>I like what Julia says about like it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 5>kind of what we think, because it's like, yeah, if

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<v Speaker 5>someone shows up to your house and your home is

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<v Speaker 5>a mess, yeah, they're not going to say oh God,

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<v Speaker 5>damn manny or no, or I'm like, oh, what are

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<v Speaker 5>Julian and mea doing?

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<v Speaker 6>Like this place is a it's a hell hole.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, nothing's organized, it's all over the place, right,

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<v Speaker 5>So it is a reflection of the women.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know about if I agree with that so much.

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<v Speaker 4>If someone's apartment was dirty, I'd be like, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>guy doing this, they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Dirty, or but yes, you would think it'd be like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe she puts up with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you would think it's a want like she is,

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<v Speaker 5>because guys are expected to be dirty and the women

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<v Speaker 5>are supposed to counter.

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<v Speaker 4>It, honestly, genuinely speaking, probably like the war of feminism

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<v Speaker 4>in the past, like fifty sixty years has allowed these

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<v Speaker 4>kind of uffs to be on equal a little closer

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<v Speaker 4>to equal standing today than like in the fifties or

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<v Speaker 4>sixties or seventies. Of course, if there was a dirty house,

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<v Speaker 4>it'd be like who the hell did you marry?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's this woman?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Now it's more expected that men should help out

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<v Speaker 5>a bit in the home, but it's cenerally still not

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's not fifty to fifty, but it is

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<v Speaker 5>is less like, you know, guy goes to work, shows

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<v Speaker 5>up at home and does absolutely nothing right, like they're

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like guys get like shirtain chores now and

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<v Speaker 5>like yeah, ahead of or own household.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's been a couple of theories on this one

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is largely debunked is that this goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to our you know, hunter gatherer yeah, cavement. The

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<v Speaker 1>theory is like, because men would go out to hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>mm hm, we'd be we'd be looking for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>animals moving holding like a bow and arrow or a spear,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so you're looking for things that are moving

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<v Speaker 1>out in the land.

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<v Speaker 6>Things that are stationary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, things that are stationary, we're blotting that out. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter because we're not going after that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking for the will to beast or whatever. That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>And then people were also saying that, like, uh, men's

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<v Speaker 1>peripheral vision is worse because we're laser focused on what's

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<v Speaker 1>in front of us, which also explains why men will

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<v Speaker 1>get caught looking at you know, pretty woman because the

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<v Speaker 1>woman is you know, us hunk comes by, she can

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<v Speaker 1>just look at the peripherals. It's not gonna be clocked

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<v Speaker 1>versus you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I think that's true? Probably not, But it's a

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<v Speaker 1>clever idea that someone came up with.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to look at some you know, proper studies

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, object location memory and see if there's

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<v Speaker 1>any credence to this. Maybe there is a gender difference

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<v Speaker 1>going on biologically, and I want to find out if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a way we can combat this and reverse the cursor,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe get better. Can we do better for our wives?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, out there who are just desperately in need of help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's that's what we'll do.

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<v Speaker 6>After the break.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we are back I'm Annie, I'm Noah Devin.

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<v Speaker 1>So I set out to find out why men are

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<v Speaker 1>worse than women at finding things in their own home.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked into a lot of research over the decades,

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<v Speaker 1>and I spoke to a man who co authored a

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<v Speaker 1>meta analysis on gender differences in object location memory. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so seems like maybe an answer, yeah exists.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm Albert Posma. I'm professor in europe psychology in Utrecht

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<v Speaker 9>University in the Netherlands, and my research is in the

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<v Speaker 9>so called memory and space lab. So we study how

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<v Speaker 9>human memory works and also spatial memory works, and also

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<v Speaker 9>how it can fail, what can go wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>So this paper of his was published in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven. It looked at dozens of different studies to

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<v Speaker 1>see how gender impacts object location memory. So I asked

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<v Speaker 1>what a typical experiment looks like for this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, we're going to do it right now ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>a little surprise.

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<v Speaker 6>Dude, did you hide some surprise experiment?

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<v Speaker 1>So a classical one is a sheet of paper with

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<v Speaker 1>a number of drawings of objects on it.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like this is like the Trump presidential test.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, basically, amster dog, You've got to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>It you study it for a time, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>get a second sheet of paper and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>mark which drawings have moved positions, put it cross through

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<v Speaker 1>any items that are new. Ready, oh go.

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<v Speaker 5>So I also if there's on location, I'm looking to

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<v Speaker 5>my dumb as I have been thinking about.

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<v Speaker 6>What the exs you actually are are.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also versions of this on a computer where you

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<v Speaker 1>have to place the objects back to their original place.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's natural environment tests where you study a room

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<v Speaker 1>and have to memorize the object locations in a similar fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's more realistic to kind of what we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, where you would kind of have a room

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<v Speaker 1>set up, kind of like an I spy. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>put it to the test. My wife and I did

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<v Speaker 1>it this morning, and now it's your return.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm looking at mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not looking at shit. I'm looking at my paper,

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<v Speaker 1>all right and time. As for the results of our

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<v Speaker 1>budget version of the experiment, Devin and many actually overperformed

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<v Speaker 1>for men. Congrats boys. If you want to take the

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<v Speaker 1>test yourself or just see what it looks like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can check out our newsletter in the show notes below.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's get to the actual science. So having done this,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know kind of what are the actual

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<v Speaker 1>outcomes in the studies, the ones that have done this

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<v Speaker 1>more professionally than we have here are men worse than

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<v Speaker 1>women at finding things? So first, doctor Postma made a

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<v Speaker 1>caveat that often these differences are over exaggerated. There are

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<v Speaker 1>more similarities than differences. But while men are better at

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<v Speaker 1>some spatial cognition tests like being able to do mental

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<v Speaker 1>rotation of objects, women have shown to be better overall

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<v Speaker 1>at tests of object location memory. Because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>different factors that make it hard to pin down, but

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<v Speaker 1>there is kind of a measurable effect size difference for

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<v Speaker 1>this one and kind of overall in this meta analysis

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<v Speaker 1>they did, there is a mean way to effect size

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of women of zero point two sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>across the eighty six total effects sizes. So, by and large,

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<v Speaker 1>women do show superiority in object location memory.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the rumors are true. They're just better validated. I

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping that would be like a percentage, it's not. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's also all this stuff once you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get into the fine prints of like if it's

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<v Speaker 1>masculine coded objects, men are better versus feminine coded ones

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<v Speaker 1>and neutral, which is funny.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what's funny.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I connected with some of the what people

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<v Speaker 5>say that feminine code because I was like ironing board.

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<v Speaker 6>I know's I love ironing boards. I remember where that

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<v Speaker 6>is my tea.

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 5>I got two different teapots, so I know exactly where

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<v Speaker 5>those were there, you go, I knew where the flowers were.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>None in the maskless stuff stood out to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I misplaced the dumbo. Yeah, I need to hit the gym.

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<v Speaker 1>But I ask why he thinks this is so. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the thoughts behind this are exposure. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>do these exercises like searching for ketchup in the fridge,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get better at it. And others expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know there have been studies that if you

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<v Speaker 2>label them as a spatial cognition test, you get larger

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<v Speaker 2>differences between men and women. Then if you don't label them,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be that that women think, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>spatial thinking, I'm not good in this. Then they do

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<v Speaker 2>slightly worse than men.

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<v Speaker 1>And then still there might be some hardwiring due to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that effect sizes remain stable over many studies

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<v Speaker 1>over decades. And here's another note which explains some other

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<v Speaker 1>studies that show men are better at navigating space, so

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<v Speaker 1>like using roadmap, et cetera. So this is doctor Postma

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<v Speaker 1>talking about relative location versus exact location.

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<v Speaker 2>So women are slightly better in memorizing where things are.

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<v Speaker 2>One important reason, if I can explain this, could be

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<v Speaker 2>that in memorizing the locations of objects, it often is

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<v Speaker 2>not the exact position that's so important, but it's the

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:33.679
<v Speaker 2>global position that's important. You can try to memorize where

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:38.199
<v Speaker 2>you've left your headphones. They could be on the table,

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 2>but the exact position on the table is not that important.

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:47.719
<v Speaker 2>It's the relative location. So it's knowing in which container

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>location items can be found that's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>In the studies say this where men will be better

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<v Speaker 1>at being like, Okay, I know that mug moved six

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>inches over that way, but women are better at knowing okay,

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the mug is to the left of the pot or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So those relative things versus like precision, Yeah, which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Which like to be fairer to women. The precision thing

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<v Speaker 4>is way less important.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah it doesn't like it doesn't help me, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>at all. If you're practicing these things by going into

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the cabinets or the fridge, et cetera. Naturally you're gonna

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.719
<v Speaker 1>need to know where items are. So if women are

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>typically cooking more, then they're going to be navigating those

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>items much more than someone who isn't. And maybe the

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>man is going to be better at finding the tools

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<v Speaker 1>in the garage.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's just the roles that you're playing, Yeah,

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and it makes sense, you know, and all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the studies say like it changes by population

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<v Speaker 1>and individual. I'm always kind of hesitant to even do

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>episodes like this because it is like, yeah, men be

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 1>like this, and you know women aren't. You know, women

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<v Speaker 1>know where the spices are yea. But that said they do,

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<v Speaker 1>err yeah yeah. And then going into that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>idea of is there a hardwired difference? You know, we

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the intro, there's theories that this goes back to

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>hunter gatherer days, that sort of stuff, where maybe there

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 1>is an eventually some sort of genetic position. Yeah, so

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I asked about that, and that comes up in the

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>studies too, where people do have this theory and they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually looking into it.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it is impossible to do an experiment on

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<v Speaker 1>this given we don't have time machines.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the basic idea that there was some deficion

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<v Speaker 2>of labor in or ancestor societies and over many generations

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 2>that could be have led to a sort of hard

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<v Speaker 2>to wire difference in the brains. But again, most of

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<v Speaker 2>I think is that there was joined labor in many things.

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<v Speaker 2>So men have to gather also vegetables that could be eaten,

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and women also had to do loom, distance estimations or

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:11.479
<v Speaker 2>certain things. So again it could be a small driving force,

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>but not too much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as black and white as like men never

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<v Speaker 1>had to look for things that were still you know,

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>advice versa. Yeah, so it would be a very lazy

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 1>excuse for me to say.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why I can't back in the day, What do.

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<v Speaker 1>You expect me to do? I'm out walking around the

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<v Speaker 1>world and hunting. You know. Always important to note that.

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<v Speaker 6>So we can't completely discount it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not like totally garbage, but you know, you

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>can't necessarily wait it so heavily because we can't prove it.

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>It's more like here's maybe a possible factor into it,

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>along with current environmental things and all that. Just like

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>roles that we have in our own house or outside

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of it. That sort of thing makes sense. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I ask, you know, how can we improve Believe

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>it or not, there's no simple It's a matter of

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>being intentional and systematic. So if you don't have some

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>organizational system, or we don't have one that you know yet,

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you should learn it. So okay, you write spices on

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the left, green spaces on the right, et cetera. And

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>just being intentional when you put things back or take

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the things, and it's basically just practice and eventually you

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>will learn this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, for example, if you say you're in a kitchen

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 5>and you're like, all right, this is where we put

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 5>all the appliances. So then the only thing you need

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 5>to remember is if there's an appliance, it's going to

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 5>be in this general area.

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't need to know the exact location of it. Yeah.

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 5>So if you have a blender, maybe you don't put

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<v Speaker 5>it with the beans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. Yeah, you know when we talk about it

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>like this, exactly, it is common sense.

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 4>It's the thing too where like all right, So for

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 4>this experiment, we were asked to intentionally put some effort

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 4>in remembering where these things were and then at the

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 4>end we did pretty well and remembering where they were.

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 4>And that's essentially what a lot of women are asking

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 4>their partners to do, which is just to put some

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 4>effort into it. Yeah, it's not a biological disadvantage that

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 4>we have. It's really about like, okay, if you look

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 4>at this for one minute.

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Really think about it, and we can do better. That said,

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I knew what the experiment was going into it, and

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<v Speaker 1>still when I was staring at the that first page

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>trying to memorize, I was like, I cannot I know,

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't like us, and you know, I was just nervous.

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>And then I get to page two, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>no clue. All right, folks, that's the end of the

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>main show. We're always trying new things out here at

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>NST Headquarters.

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<v Speaker 6>So stick around after the.

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<v Speaker 1>Break to hear a bonus hot take from Devin.

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<v Speaker 5>So my hot take, and this happened to me. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not just talking about it, I'm about that life.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay. I went to Caba last week. Love Cava.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell the people what is tava?

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<v Speaker 5>Is Mediterranean bowl similar to everybody calls it Chipotle of

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah. It's Mediterranean bowls. You make your own

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 5>bowl delicious. They give you a lot of food, good portions, A.

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 6>Great lunch option. Uh, if you work out a corporate job.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 5>And I was eating my bowl delicious bowl and it

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<v Speaker 5>was a long piece of hair in it. Oh, my

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 5>hot takes. Is not that big a deal to have

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 5>hair in your food? Yeah, I almost people get hairing

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 5>the food and they want to burn the restaurant down.

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's hair.

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 5>It's not I get it's a little bit roast, especially

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 5>if you don't see it ahead of time and it's

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 5>in your mouth and you're like, oh, this is someone

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 5>else's hair.

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 6>It was long.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a long I knew first of all. And

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't my hair. Yeah, the very distinct you know.

0:30:55.680 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 5>It was a straight blonde piece of hair, and it

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 5>was like it was in there good, you know, like

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 5>it got mixed in it was it was curled up nicely,

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 5>and I just took it aside and continued.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>How far into your meal were you This was towards

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the end. Yeah, so you might have been chopping.

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 5>Oh I could have been. They could have been a mouthful.

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't like I saw it on top and stopped

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 5>I was in there. I may have eaten some here already.

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 5>But my thing is like, it's not that big of

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 5>a deal. And I think people get upset about it

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 5>because it reminds them that someone else made their food,

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 5>you know.

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 6>I think people don't like the idea.

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 5>They like the idea of the food being in front

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 5>of them, right, they like the idea of the food

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 5>being made fresh, and they like of not having to

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 5>make that food. I think the hair is a reminder

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 5>that someone else had to do labor interesting to make

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 5>your food.

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 5>And because I don't think it's that if there was

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 5>a piece of hair that got into your mouth just randomly,

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 5>you wouldn't react in the same way that you do

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 5>that as oh yeah when it's in your food.

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, I certainly think people behave out of character when

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.719
<v Speaker 4>it comes to like food service. People like yeah, especially

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 4>a fast casual. Yeah, like they're kind of people think

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 4>they're kind of below them.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Remember the Chipotle saw people then going filming the Chipotle

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>things so they'd get bigger portions. Yeah yeah, yeah, the

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>saddest people in the world. And you know, I used

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 4>A food service worker, thank you.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Yea, And yeah I used to get like people.

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 4>Who would come in and just like find anything to

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 4>complain about to either get a discount or in many

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 4>cases weren't even looking for a discount, just like needed someone.

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 6>To yell at beat the outlet for today.

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I could see that. I could see that.

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 4>I think when I find hair in my and my food,

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a good argument, like if you wanted

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 4>to be like, hey I found you go up to them, Hey,

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 4>I found some hair in my foe?

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Can I get a new one?

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 6>I don't think it's I think that's fair to fair.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 4>But the reason I'm not doing that is largely out

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 4>of convenience.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I think I just can be fucking It doesn't disturb Yeah,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>to your point, it doesn't disturb me that much anyway. Yeah,

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>if it was like, Okay, I'm noticing now there's multiple here,

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like it seems like there's really something going on, but like, yeah,

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>it's an honest mistake. It's not even a mistake.

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's just that's what happened on your head. On

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 5>your head, it falls off sometimes that's it. Yesterday I

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 5>was watching a video where this guy had he went

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 5>to some place and got like some pancakes with some syrup,

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<v Speaker 5>and he opens up his container when he gets home

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<v Speaker 5>and there's literally bugs scroll around.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, in this instance fair multiple bugs skip.

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<v Speaker 1>That local franchise and go straight to corporate.

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<v Speaker 6>At that point.

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<v Speaker 5>The funny thing is he took it back and the

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<v Speaker 5>lady was like, what do you want me to do

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<v Speaker 5>about it?

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<v Speaker 6>You want me to make you another one.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, I don't want another one.

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<v Speaker 6>Give me my money back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should shut the whole place so.

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<v Speaker 6>That you know that is fair if you're being nagliged.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit, Yeah, something is actually dirty, you know, obviously bugs.

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<v Speaker 6>If there's a bug in my food, all right.

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<v Speaker 5>That's kind of a problem. Yeah, you put a band

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<v Speaker 5>aid in my food, all right? Come on, that's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of a problem.

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<v Speaker 6>Yellow piece of hair.

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<v Speaker 4>Even with the hair, like the hair, I'm truly not

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<v Speaker 4>that bothered by it is of course more disturbing when

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<v Speaker 4>you when you're pulling out when you have already consumed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and it's like, oh that's rough.

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<v Speaker 4>It kind of can't even eat the rest of the

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<v Speaker 4>bowl because I think there's more hair in there.

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<v Speaker 6>I just not me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm turned off.

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<v Speaker 6>Couldn't be me, I mean that thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it more now I might go get seconds

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<v Speaker 5>finished the whole thing, like, hey, there was some hearing that,

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<v Speaker 5>so I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>That was delicious.

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<v Speaker 6>You know whose hair was that? Yeah? You know. You

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<v Speaker 6>come in and they do those like pranks like who

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<v Speaker 6>made this great job? Whose hair is this?

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