WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Skid Row (not the band)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is short stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Another short stuff, this one a bit crusadie and I

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<v Speaker 1>think important.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, because if you have ever driven through downtown

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, there's a good chance you may have, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose or maybe accidentally, turned into the heart of

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<v Speaker 2>skid Row, which is a fifty city block area roughly

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<v Speaker 2>in the heart of downtown. That is something that happened

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<v Speaker 2>to me when I lived there, and I had heard

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<v Speaker 2>of skid Row, but I had never seen it, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden I was in the middle of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wow, I didn't quite know it

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<v Speaker 2>was like this down here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we stayed nearby too, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we made it all the way there, but you could

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<v Speaker 1>tell it was very close by. And the hotel Cecil,

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<v Speaker 1>which was made very famous by the death of Elisa Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>is right there in the midst of skid Row, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a matter of fact, it's been turned into housing

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<v Speaker 1>for the people who live on skid Row, and skid Row,

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<v Speaker 1>we should say, finds his origin the term here in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. Los Angeles is like, there's skid rows in

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<v Speaker 1>just about every town, that's what they call them. But

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<v Speaker 1>the original skid row is in Los Angeles and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been there essentially as long as Los Angeles has.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sort of, I mean LA was there, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that LA.

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<v Speaker 1>We know, yes, but okay, so it followed so quickly

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<v Speaker 1>on the heels of the establishment of LA that it's

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<v Speaker 1>practically part of it forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's definitely a part of it, fair enough. So

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on in skid Row is on house.

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<v Speaker 2>People are living there as many as ten thousand, eleven thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of hard to get an exact number because

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<v Speaker 2>it fluctuates. A few thousand of those live in tent city,

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<v Speaker 2>the rest live in shelter, some live in SRO hotels,

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<v Speaker 2>single room occupancy hotels. The ones who are really lucky

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<v Speaker 2>are living in newer many apartments that have been constructed

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<v Speaker 2>by nonprofits. And that is what it's going on. About

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<v Speaker 2>twenty percent of them are US military veterans. Most are

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<v Speaker 2>black males, but there are people of all stripes on

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<v Speaker 2>skid row.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like I said, it's been around a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time, but it's under threat actually, which you might

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<v Speaker 1>be like, well, isn't it always under threat? No, it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually protected for decades. We'll talk about the impending

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<v Speaker 1>threats and whether it's going to go through or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's talk a little bit about the original history

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<v Speaker 1>of the thing, shall we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think I see what you were saying

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<v Speaker 2>now about skid Row being there as long as LA

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<v Speaker 2>has been there, Thank you, But I just don't agree

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<v Speaker 2>because skid Row skid Row really was in nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>and LA started to become a thing at the turn

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<v Speaker 2>of the century. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to hash this out one way or another

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of this episode of Calm.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the eighteen seventies, LA at San Francisco is

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<v Speaker 2>getting all the California love with in terms of infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, namely railroads going in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>so LA was like, Hey, what about us down here,

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<v Speaker 2>We could use a railroad. So they said, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea. So they built that railroad down to California,

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<v Speaker 2>and where that railroad ended is what is now right

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of skid Row.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, like you said, it wasn't skid Row yet,

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough, I can agree with you on that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it has always been a bit of a rough and

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<v Speaker 1>tumble area.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So the skid Row area that we know and love

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<v Speaker 1>now is actually a remnant, a relic of the area

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<v Speaker 1>that grew up around those railroad yards to house and

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<v Speaker 1>entertain the workers, almost entirely single young men who came

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<v Speaker 1>to Los Angeles along with the railroad to unload railcars,

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<v Speaker 1>to load railcars, to box citrus, just do all the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you need to do around the rail yard.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of them started hanging out around there, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the neighborhood that is now skid Row finally

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<v Speaker 1>started to develop.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And because they were young men, basically there

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<v Speaker 2>were you know, bars and saloons and brothels, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had those single resident hotels. Very early on, oil came

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<v Speaker 2>to LA and that brought even more people. The automobile

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<v Speaker 2>industry really brought a lot more people in the film

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<v Speaker 2>industry brought more people in. Basically, you know, people were

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<v Speaker 2>migrating westward in great, great numbers, and this area where

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<v Speaker 2>that train ended just became overrun. You know, there weren't

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<v Speaker 2>enough jobs. All of a sudden you had people sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>in hobo encampments. You had people sleeping on the rail

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<v Speaker 2>yards and in the cars, and some of them if

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<v Speaker 2>they were lucky enough to get into one of those

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<v Speaker 2>you know KREDI SI our own hotels, did so. But

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties is when I mean it basically became

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<v Speaker 2>the skid row that we know it now, a permanent

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<v Speaker 2>underclass living there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I mean it was already the downtrodden.

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<v Speaker 1>We're already starting to accumulate in skid row. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was not helped at all by the depression and the

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<v Speaker 1>dust bowl that pushed migration further west and made people

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<v Speaker 1>even more destitute. So that kind of sealed the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, from the nineteen thirties onward, skid row

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<v Speaker 1>as we understand it today was born. And I say

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<v Speaker 1>we take a break and we come back and talks

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<v Speaker 1>more about skid row. Let's do it, okay, Chuck. So

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<v Speaker 1>the skid row population was greatly added to during the

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<v Speaker 1>Second World War and the Korean War because Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>was a port of exit and entry back to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States for soldiers that were shipping out, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them came back and were not prepared to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>They had PTSD, they had developed drug addiction, they had

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<v Speaker 1>developed alcoholism, and they stuck around LA and they just

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably would migrate to skid Row. That's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where people have always been funneled. And as part of

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<v Speaker 1>urban renewal in the fifties and sixties, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other cities were like, we're just going to build a

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<v Speaker 1>highway through skid Row and that's how we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of it. In Los Angeles, the people leading

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<v Speaker 1>the city at the time said, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. We're actually going to preserve this area for

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<v Speaker 1>the people who need it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. That was in nineteen seventy six. They said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there needs to be a place for people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they labeled them extremely low income, but in

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<v Speaker 2>most cases it was probably no income. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of ways to look at this, and

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<v Speaker 2>one way it was a more humanitarian policy than demolishing

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<v Speaker 2>it and building a highway through it. And another another

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<v Speaker 2>way to look at it is that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>part of a containment strategy, which is like, hey, don't

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<v Speaker 2>leave this fifty square block area, this is yours. It's

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<v Speaker 2>basically like escape from New York down there. But as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you stay in that area, then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of like the not in my backyard thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We just you know, stay in that area and everything

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<v Speaker 2>will be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Escape from LA would be more appropriate, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you the sequel?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that was so not good, was it?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen it?

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<v Speaker 2>Strangely a garbage movie considering how great a filmmaker Carpenter

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<v Speaker 2>was and how great Escape from New York was?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Was it because he substituted Kurt Russell with Hillary Swank?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>That was it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering, you're gonna I was wondering what actor

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna come out of your mouth when you started

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<v Speaker 2>that sentence? Not what I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the seventies. So that was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, it depends on how you look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was either a ruthless strategy or a humane solution.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of both. Do we have to

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<v Speaker 1>think in such black and white terms?

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed?

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<v Speaker 1>But this area now contained meant that the other area

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<v Speaker 1>of downtown could be refurbished and open for business, because

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<v Speaker 1>skid Row, as you might have imagined, chased the businesses

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<v Speaker 1>out of downtown but now that the people who lived

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<v Speaker 1>in skid Row were like, this is your spot, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to stay here. We're going to develop around you,

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<v Speaker 1>and the area became gentrified. But the people were from

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<v Speaker 1>skid Row actually benefited from that because those single room

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<v Speaker 1>occupancy hotels that had been built over the last like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty sixty, seventy years or longer, we're starting to get

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<v Speaker 1>really down in the heels and threadbare. So they demolished

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<v Speaker 1>some of them, or they refurbished them, and they did

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<v Speaker 1>it for the residents of skid Row. They essentially gentrified

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<v Speaker 1>skid Row for the residents of skid Row in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they tried the Cecil Hotel in fact was I

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<v Speaker 2>think they finally finished it, but they were I think

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<v Speaker 2>they were refurbishing it and then it was shut down

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<v Speaker 2>because of COVID, and I think they eventually finished it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though the Cecil Hotel property is now up for

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<v Speaker 2>sale and there's a lot going on now. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>is skid Grow going to look this way in ten years?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not. There are three big developments that are going on,

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<v Speaker 2>one of which is those SROs that you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about from the eighties and nineties. That they helped build

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<v Speaker 2>back up, earn a lot of trouble financially and just

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<v Speaker 2>liveability goes because they're not putting the money into it

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<v Speaker 2>to keep them up. They were just built new and

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of become more dilapidated over the years. The

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<v Speaker 2>biggest of these providers, the skid Row Housing Trust, went

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<v Speaker 2>into a receivership last year, so that's not a good

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<v Speaker 2>sign of things to come.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and there's a group called the AIDS Healthcare Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>that is trying to take over the skid Row Housing

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<v Speaker 1>Trusts properties to keep them going, but apparently their own

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<v Speaker 1>single room occupancy building as they're having so much trouble

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<v Speaker 1>running it that the city actually stepped in to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't approve this deal. We don't want this deal

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. So it's not clear how this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, but there does seem to be a progress

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<v Speaker 1>or a progression toward knocking down some of those buildings

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<v Speaker 1>and building up the high rises that again are being

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<v Speaker 1>built for the residents of skid Row, and if that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be much better off than they are

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<v Speaker 1>now because a single room occupancy hotel room is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a room, there's a bed, there's a desk, there's room

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<v Speaker 1>enough for you. There's no bathroom. There's a bathroom down

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<v Speaker 1>the hall. What they're building instead are many apartments to

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<v Speaker 1>where like, this is your home. This is your unit.

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<v Speaker 1>You can stay in here and you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>go out if you don't want to at all. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no shared bathroom. It's your spot. That's what they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to build now, and if everybody can get it together,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they're going to have, like you said, in

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<v Speaker 1>the next ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you know, if you've ever visited la and

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<v Speaker 2>you went to the sort of newly crowned downtown arts

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<v Speaker 2>district which is now booming with bru pubs and restaurants

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<v Speaker 2>and mind bars and theaters and all the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you would expect in a gentrified downtown situation, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, why this arts district is great, you may

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<v Speaker 2>not know that the skid Row was literally right next

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<v Speaker 2>to you. I don't know if you saw that show

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<v Speaker 2>on Apple TV, Platonic with Seth Rogan and Rose Byrne.

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<v Speaker 2>No friend of the show, Janet Varney's also in it,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, Okay, it's The whole thing basically is

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<v Speaker 2>earlyst seth Rogen and his brewpub is in the Arts

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<v Speaker 2>district and a lot of the filming takes place right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you've seen that show, just blocks away, are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten thousand some people living on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just something to remember when you're being a

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<v Speaker 2>tourist in that town.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I hope to get to make it to a

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<v Speaker 1>group hub someday, I'll take you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have a have a nice hoppy I PA.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they'll have one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe there to dream. Yeah, you got

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<v Speaker 1>anything else about skid Row? I guess the main message

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<v Speaker 1>here is wait and see and cross your fingers and hope, hope, hope.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, then that's it for the short Stuff everybody,

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