1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is short stuff. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Another short stuff, this one a bit crusadie and I 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: think important. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: That's right, because if you have ever driven through downtown 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, there's a good chance you may have, maybe 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: on purpose or maybe accidentally, turned into the heart of 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: skid Row, which is a fifty city block area roughly 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: in the heart of downtown. That is something that happened 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: to me when I lived there, and I had heard 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: of skid Row, but I had never seen it, and 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 2: all of a sudden I was in the middle of it, 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, I didn't quite know it 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: was like this down here. 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we stayed nearby too, and I don't know if 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: we made it all the way there, but you could 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: tell it was very close by. And the hotel Cecil, 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: which was made very famous by the death of Elisa Lamb, 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: is right there in the midst of skid Row, and 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, it's been turned into housing 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: for the people who live on skid Row, and skid Row, 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: we should say, finds his origin the term here in 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Los Angeles is like, there's skid rows in 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: just about every town, that's what they call them. But 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: the original skid row is in Los Angeles and it's 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: been there essentially as long as Los Angeles has. 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of, I mean LA was there, but it 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: wasn't that LA. 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: We know, yes, but okay, so it followed so quickly 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: on the heels of the establishment of LA that it's 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: practically part of it forever. 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely a part of it, fair enough. So 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: what is going on in skid Row is on house. 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: People are living there as many as ten thousand, eleven thousand. 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to get an exact number because 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: it fluctuates. A few thousand of those live in tent city, 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: the rest live in shelter, some live in SRO hotels, 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: single room occupancy hotels. The ones who are really lucky 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: are living in newer many apartments that have been constructed 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: by nonprofits. And that is what it's going on. About 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: twenty percent of them are US military veterans. Most are 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: black males, but there are people of all stripes on 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: skid row. 44 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, it's been around a very 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: long time, but it's under threat actually, which you might 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: be like, well, isn't it always under threat? No, it 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: was actually protected for decades. We'll talk about the impending 48 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: threats and whether it's going to go through or not, 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: but let's talk a little bit about the original history 50 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: of the thing, shall we. 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I see what you were saying 52 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: now about skid Row being there as long as LA 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: has been there, Thank you, But I just don't agree 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: because skid Row skid Row really was in nineteen thirties, 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: and LA started to become a thing at the turn 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: of the century. You know what I'm saying. 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: We're going to hash this out one way or another 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: over the course of this episode of Calm. 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: So in the eighteen seventies, LA at San Francisco is 60 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: getting all the California love with in terms of infrastructure 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: and stuff like that, namely railroads going in there, and 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: so LA was like, Hey, what about us down here, 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: We could use a railroad. So they said, yeah, it's 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: a good idea. So they built that railroad down to California, 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: and where that railroad ended is what is now right 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: in the middle of skid Row. 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like you said, it wasn't skid Row yet, 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: fair enough, I can agree with you on that, but 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: it has always been a bit of a rough and 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: tumble area. 71 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: Sure. 72 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: So the skid Row area that we know and love 73 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: now is actually a remnant, a relic of the area 74 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: that grew up around those railroad yards to house and 75 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: entertain the workers, almost entirely single young men who came 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles along with the railroad to unload railcars, 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: to load railcars, to box citrus, just do all the 78 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: things that you need to do around the rail yard. 79 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: And some of them started hanging out around there, and 80 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: that's where the neighborhood that is now skid Row finally 81 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: started to develop. 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: That's right. And because they were young men, basically there 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: were you know, bars and saloons and brothels, and they 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: had those single resident hotels. Very early on, oil came 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: to LA and that brought even more people. The automobile 86 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: industry really brought a lot more people in the film 87 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: industry brought more people in. Basically, you know, people were 88 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: migrating westward in great, great numbers, and this area where 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: that train ended just became overrun. You know, there weren't 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 2: enough jobs. All of a sudden you had people sleeping 91 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: in hobo encampments. You had people sleeping on the rail 92 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: yards and in the cars, and some of them if 93 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: they were lucky enough to get into one of those 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: you know KREDI SI our own hotels, did so. But 95 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties is when I mean it basically became 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: the skid row that we know it now, a permanent 97 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: underclass living there. 98 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I mean it was already the downtrodden. 99 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: We're already starting to accumulate in skid row. But it 100 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: was not helped at all by the depression and the 101 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: dust bowl that pushed migration further west and made people 102 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: even more destitute. So that kind of sealed the deal. 103 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: Like you said, from the nineteen thirties onward, skid row 104 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: as we understand it today was born. And I say 105 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: we take a break and we come back and talks 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: more about skid row. Let's do it, okay, Chuck. So 107 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: the skid row population was greatly added to during the 108 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: Second World War and the Korean War because Los Angeles 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: was a port of exit and entry back to the 110 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: United States for soldiers that were shipping out, and some 111 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: of them came back and were not prepared to go home. 112 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: They had PTSD, they had developed drug addiction, they had 113 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: developed alcoholism, and they stuck around LA and they just 114 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: inevitably would migrate to skid Row. That's just kind of 115 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: where people have always been funneled. And as part of 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: urban renewal in the fifties and sixties, a lot of 117 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: other cities were like, we're just going to build a 118 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: highway through skid Row and that's how we're going to 119 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: get rid of it. In Los Angeles, the people leading 120 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: the city at the time said, we're not going to 121 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: do that. We're actually going to preserve this area for 122 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: the people who need it. 123 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: That's right. That was in nineteen seventy six. They said, 124 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: you know, there needs to be a place for people. 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: I think they labeled them extremely low income, but in 126 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: most cases it was probably no income. And you know, 127 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: there's a couple of ways to look at this, and 128 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: one way it was a more humanitarian policy than demolishing 129 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: it and building a highway through it. And another another 130 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: way to look at it is that it was a 131 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: part of a containment strategy, which is like, hey, don't 132 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: leave this fifty square block area, this is yours. It's 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: basically like escape from New York down there. But as 134 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: long as you stay in that area, then you know, 135 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: it's sort of like the not in my backyard thing. 136 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: We just you know, stay in that area and everything 137 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: will be okay. 138 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: I think Escape from LA would be more appropriate, don't 139 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: you the sequel? 140 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was so not good, was it? 141 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen it? 142 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: Strangely a garbage movie considering how great a filmmaker Carpenter 143 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: was and how great Escape from New York was? 144 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: Well? Was it because he substituted Kurt Russell with Hillary Swank? 145 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 146 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: That was it. 147 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: I was wondering, you're gonna I was wondering what actor 148 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: was gonna come out of your mouth when you started 149 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: that sentence? Not what I expected. 150 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: So that was the seventies. So that was pretty cool. 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it depends on how you look at it. 152 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: It was either a ruthless strategy or a humane solution. 153 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of both. Do we have to 154 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: think in such black and white terms? 155 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: Agreed? 156 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: But this area now contained meant that the other area 157 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: of downtown could be refurbished and open for business, because 158 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: skid Row, as you might have imagined, chased the businesses 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: out of downtown but now that the people who lived 160 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: in skid Row were like, this is your spot, you 161 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: have to stay here. We're going to develop around you, 162 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: and the area became gentrified. But the people were from 163 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: skid Row actually benefited from that because those single room 164 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: occupancy hotels that had been built over the last like 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: fifty sixty, seventy years or longer, we're starting to get 166 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: really down in the heels and threadbare. So they demolished 167 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: some of them, or they refurbished them, and they did 168 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: it for the residents of skid Row. They essentially gentrified 169 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: skid Row for the residents of skid Row in the 170 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties. 171 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried the Cecil Hotel in fact was I 172 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: think they finally finished it, but they were I think 173 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: they were refurbishing it and then it was shut down 174 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: because of COVID, and I think they eventually finished it. 175 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: Even though the Cecil Hotel property is now up for 176 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: sale and there's a lot going on now. You know, 177 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: is skid Grow going to look this way in ten years? 178 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: Probably not. There are three big developments that are going on, 179 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: one of which is those SROs that you were talking 180 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: about from the eighties and nineties. That they helped build 181 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: back up, earn a lot of trouble financially and just 182 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: liveability goes because they're not putting the money into it 183 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: to keep them up. They were just built new and 184 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: have kind of become more dilapidated over the years. The 185 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: biggest of these providers, the skid Row Housing Trust, went 186 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: into a receivership last year, so that's not a good 187 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: sign of things to come. 188 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: No, and there's a group called the AIDS Healthcare Foundation 189 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: that is trying to take over the skid Row Housing 190 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: Trusts properties to keep them going, but apparently their own 191 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: single room occupancy building as they're having so much trouble 192 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: running it that the city actually stepped in to be like, 193 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: we don't approve this deal. We don't want this deal 194 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: to happen. So it's not clear how this is going 195 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: to happen, but there does seem to be a progress 196 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: or a progression toward knocking down some of those buildings 197 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: and building up the high rises that again are being 198 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: built for the residents of skid Row, and if that happens, 199 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: they're going to be much better off than they are 200 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: now because a single room occupancy hotel room is it's 201 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: a room, there's a bed, there's a desk, there's room 202 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: enough for you. There's no bathroom. There's a bathroom down 203 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: the hall. What they're building instead are many apartments to 204 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: where like, this is your home. This is your unit. 205 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: You can stay in here and you don't have to 206 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: go out if you don't want to at all. There's 207 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: no shared bathroom. It's your spot. That's what they're trying 208 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: to build now, and if everybody can get it together, 209 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: that's what they're going to have, like you said, in 210 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: the next ten years. 211 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, if you've ever visited la and 212 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: you went to the sort of newly crowned downtown arts 213 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: district which is now booming with bru pubs and restaurants 214 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: and mind bars and theaters and all the things that 215 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: you would expect in a gentrified downtown situation, and if 216 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: you're like, why this arts district is great, you may 217 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: not know that the skid Row was literally right next 218 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: to you. I don't know if you saw that show 219 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: on Apple TV, Platonic with Seth Rogan and Rose Byrne. 220 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: No friend of the show, Janet Varney's also in it, 221 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: by the way, Okay, it's The whole thing basically is 222 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: earlyst seth Rogen and his brewpub is in the Arts 223 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: district and a lot of the filming takes place right there. 224 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: So if you've seen that show, just blocks away, are 225 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, ten thousand some people living on the streets. 226 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: So it's just something to remember when you're being a 227 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: tourist in that town. 228 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope to get to make it to a 229 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: group hub someday, I'll take you. 230 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: We'll have a have a nice hoppy I PA. 231 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: That sounds great. 232 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: I wonder if they'll have one. 233 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe there to dream. Yeah, you got 234 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: anything else about skid Row? I guess the main message 235 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: here is wait and see and cross your fingers and hope, hope, hope. 236 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: That's right? 237 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then that's it for the short Stuff everybody, 238 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: and that means short Stuff is out. 239 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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