1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know fromhouse stuff works 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: There's Charles to Be, Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: And there are six feet in this studio right now, 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: and all of them are exactly where they're supposed to 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: be attached to their lowered legs. Yeah, below the calf, Yeah, yep, 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: above the floor, facing forward to you, right. Yeah, that's 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: a big one too, because if it's facing backwards, you've 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: got problems or you're just going the wrong way all 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: day long, maybe some Um do you know where they're 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: not supposed to be Chuck feet? Uh, well, they're not 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be on the armrest of the seat in 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: front of you on an airplane, yes, or a movie 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: theater yes, But I know you're not talking about common courtesies. 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: That bug me. No, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: That is so wrong. And um, I meant to tell you, 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: I'm on, I've come over to your side about taking 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: shoes off on the plane. It's okay if I do it, 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: but um, you mean and I were flying somewhere and 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: this dude behind his head, nasty stinky feet, and he 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: had his shoes off, and like we're facing forward and 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: we could smell his feet but low our seats behind us. 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: And I kept turning around giving him the dirtiest looks, 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and he was like, you had no idea what I 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: was doing. Did you look at his feet and then 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: and he still didn't get it? Did you look at 27 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: his feet his face and then clamp your head. I 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: think that still didn't work. I threw up a little 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: bit onto him. He just thought it was Yeah. I know. 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: People disagree with me. People wrote in We're like, what's 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: it to you? I thought it was to eat your 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: own to eat your own chuck. Yeah, yeah, all right, 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you a place where feet aren't supposed 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: to be. They're not supposed to be off on their own, 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: on a beach somewhere, not attached to a body exactly. No, No, 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: that's not something that you see every day, No, unless 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: you're in Vancouver, and then it happens like almost every day. 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: It seems like not quite, but sure, there's something very 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: weird going on in Vancouver. You say there's no mystery. 40 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: I said, there's still a bit of a mystery to it. 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: But well, well, we'll start at the beginning. Okay, August 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: two thousand seven. It's kind of a cool and drizzly 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: day at a place called Jedediah Island Provincial Park up 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: in British Columbia, right near Vancouver, right lovely. Sure, of course, 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: that's why you would want to say, like go park 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: or camp at this park with your family, which is 47 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: what a twelve year old girl was you. And I I 48 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: couldn't find this girl's name to save my life, probably 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: because she's twelve. She wouldn't be good to say it. Anyway, 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: she was sure. She was walking along the beach with 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: her dad, and um, there was a bunch of like 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: flots them, you know, that's the term for stuff that 53 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: washes up from the sea, that the sea spits up 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: onto the shores. And um, she saw a shoe and 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: she picked it up, and she untied it and turned 56 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: it upside down and out fell a sock, and inside 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: the sock was a human foot yep, and she was 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: pretty surprised, size twelve. Yeah, it was a campus brand shoe, 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: which h ended up being not neither here nor there, 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: but it is manufactured in India, mostly sold in India. Um, 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: and we'll just park that right there for now. Yeah. 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: So the families like this is unusual. Sure. Uh. They 63 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: borrowed a radio from somebody else and they alerted the authorities, 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: and in very short order, the Mounties showed up, the 65 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: coroner showed up, the coast guards showed up. I bet 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: the Mounties were all over that foot. Um. So yeah, 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: they said, you know what, well, we're gonna take that 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: foot is if that's okay little girl, And she, through 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: her sobbing tears, said sure, but just give me a 70 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: little money, okay. Uh. And they said we're gonna send 71 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: it off for DNA examination, and um that did that 72 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: return nothing the DNA as far as I know, Yeah, 73 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: there was no there's no match. So that wasn't like 74 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: a clue the d NA. No, but it was the 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: first thing they tried the DNA. They also looked at 76 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: it to see what was going on with the foot 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: if if there was any kind of signs of what 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: the deal was. Yeah, they held it up to their 79 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: ear and pretended like it was a telephone. And one 80 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: of the other mount he said, that's not funny. But 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it is kind of funny, and they 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: said sorry. So um, they didn't. They just kind of 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: filed it away. It actually didn't make much of a 84 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: stir outside of the area. It was worth talking about. 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: It got a little bit in because it was just 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: so weird. But they put the foot away and at 87 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: the coroner's office and everybody went about their lives, right, 88 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: I would assume so. And then six days later, other 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: foot showed up in the area, not the same place, 90 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: but in the same in the same general area, another 91 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: right foot, which means it wasn't for the person's other foot. 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: Now that'd be weird. So there's two people missing feet. Now. Yes, 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: this is a men's Reebok size eleven, I think. And 94 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: the people who found it said that when they saw it, 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: they immediately knew that there was a foot in there 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: because it looked full. It looks pretty how they is 97 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: how they put it full of foot? Yeah, And they 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: picked it up and smelled it and they're like, yeah, 99 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: it's a foot, that's right. And the mountains came in 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: again and they got off their horses and uh, Corporal 101 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 1: Gary Cox said, you know, it is a little weird 102 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: to find two feet, especially within six days of one another. Yeah, 103 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: in the same area. It was Um, he described it 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: as a million to one odds. I don't think he 105 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: did the science on that, but it's just something you say. 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: But he said too is pretty crazy, Yeah, and I 107 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: agree with him. Yeah. So the first foot was in 108 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: on Jedediah Island. The second ones on Gabriela Island, which 109 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: is I couldn't find exactly how far away it was 110 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: across the water, but it's it's not that far. They're close, 111 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: but they're separated by some water. Um, and they're now 112 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's two feet that were found 113 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: within six days. The media starts to catch drift of 114 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: this one. Right, there's feet uh shoe defeat washing up 115 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: on the shores in Vancouver. And at the time, at 116 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: that very time, UM, Robert Picton was on trial in 117 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Vancouver for um murdering as many as forty nine women. 118 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: You've heard to him, right, I think so. He was 119 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: the notorious pig farmer who would like butcher women and 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: feed them to his pigs, and then butcher's pigs and 121 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: feed pigs to his guests. Yeah. One of the only 122 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: probably Canadian serial killers, right, Yeah, and one of the 123 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: worst of all serial killers. He was a horrible horrible 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: person because he wasn't crazy, you know what I mean, 125 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: he was just a just a horrible person. Um. And 126 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: so he's on trial at that time, got I think 127 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: twenty five years, which is like the maximum sentence you 128 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: can get in Canada, what come on Canada years for 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: for up to forty nine horrible murders. Um. So he 130 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: was on trial. There are also a lot of like 131 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: really high profile missing people in the area too, that 132 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: it just vanished without a trace in the four years 133 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: leading up to that. Yeah, and you point out because 134 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: you wrote this, I did, But actually I was pointing 135 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: out that Christopher Solomon pointed something. Okay, well the point is, uh, 136 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: and this is a little strange, but maybe not. I 137 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: don't know. I was trying to make sense of it. 138 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: British Columbia apparently just has a higher than normal rate 139 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: of missing persons than other parts of the world, which 140 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: is weird. Yeah, but I mean like a lot more, yeah, 141 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: more than people over a fifty nine year period. And uh. 142 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: Solomon compared that to Kentucky, which is about the same 143 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: size and population or same size population, they only had 144 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: five and fifteen people missing over that fifty nine years. 145 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: That seemed really low to med eight people a year 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: missing in the whole state like that remained missing, Okay, 147 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: unsolved forever, yes, because in Kentucky they'll just be like 148 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: he was Uncle Billy's on the road for a week, 149 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: right exactly. So like the the the idea is that 150 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: BC has almost five times the number of unsolved missing 151 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: persons cases over this fifty nine period compared to Kentucky, 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: which has about the same size population. It's a lot more. Yeah, 153 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: And I mean Solomon might have gone in and selected like, oh, 154 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: Kentucky's got the lowest of the same size population, so 155 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: that will really point it out. But it does seem 156 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: that BC has a large amount of missing persons now, uh, 157 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: I bet it has something to do with the terrain 158 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: and the wildlife, probably the abundance of water. Probably that too. 159 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: It's not a good good thing. A lot of heroin, yeah, 160 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, sadly and probably go missing, you know. In 161 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: addition to the serial killer theory, one of them was 162 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: that these were like people who would either run a 163 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: foul of the local organized crime syndicates or um ran 164 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,359 Speaker 1: a foul of like a fellow heroin organized crime exactly disorganized. 165 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Remember that movie what movie Disorganized Crime? Was that a 166 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: movie with Who's the the Dude the Blonde Dude from 167 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: l A. Law Corton Burnson. Yes, it's actually a good movie. Really, 168 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Mark in a couple of decades. Hey, 169 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: Summer School is one of the all time greats. Man, 170 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: it sounds like that kind of movie Disorganized Crime, like 171 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of bumbling at criminals. Definitely, But I think 172 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: like or Fred Gwynn was in it, Herman Munster, one 173 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: of his last roles. All right, so you talked about theories. 174 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: One of the other theories, remember we mentioned India manufactured 175 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: that first shoe. Some people said, you know what, this is, 176 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: sadly just feat of tsunami survivors from the Indian Ocean 177 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: disaster December two thousand four, and they just years later 178 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: these like body parts are washing up on shore, which 179 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: is sort of plausible. It is. I mean, two fifty 180 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: people died in that tsunami, A lot, if not most 181 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: of them were never found. Yeah. Also we had people 182 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: point out remember when we said that modern disaster flicks 183 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: are bad. Uh, we had a bunch of people right 184 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: in say The Impossible it was a great movie. That's 185 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: the one about Yeah, and it was great, it was awesome. 186 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: But I think that's different because that was a uh 187 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: factual Uh, it's about a factual event. But and I 188 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: categorize it as a disaster now. See, I don't categorize 189 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: it as that because it was a real thing that happened. 190 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Like disaster flicks to me are when you know, when 191 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: you invent some crazy disaster. Well okay, well let me 192 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: ask you this. If it were totally fictionalized but the 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: exact same movie, would you then can considered as a 194 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: disaster flick? Yes, okay, so it's like on that scale 195 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: and everything too. I had the impression it was much 196 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: more just like a human interest. Well it became that. 197 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: But they sho film the tsunami like it's it's not 198 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: amazing how realistic. It is. Very very tough movie, very 199 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: hard to watch. Have you seen Twelve Years of Slave yet? 200 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: I still cannot bring myself to watch that. It's pretty rough. 201 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: It's just staring at me on my DVR every night. 202 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm gona it'll be soon. I'll let you know. Okay, 203 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: I'll just come into work crying. Okay, what did I do? Alright? 204 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: So the tsunami disaster they said, um, might have been 205 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: one of the reasons. But um, I think other people said, 206 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's not the best explanation. Other people said, well, 207 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people just go missing from other things, 208 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: like planes go down in the Salish Sea, which is 209 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: the body of water between I think Vancouver Island and 210 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: mainland British columb to you, which is where most of 211 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: these were found? Is it Sailish? I think so, But 212 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: we'll hear from Canadians one way or the other. You 213 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: say Sailish, I say Salish. Who's right? Really? You know? 214 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's we're getting all excited here with 215 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: these theories. But there were more feet to come, and 216 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: we'll get back to those feet right after this, So chuck. 217 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: The When those first two feet were found within six days, 218 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: made the rounds, people talked about it, and then it 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: just kind of drifted out of the news, right like 220 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: a foot in the ocean exactly. Um. And then a 221 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: third foot was found, and it came roaring back because 222 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: this is yet another foot, a totally different one. This 223 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: is a woman's foot actually a new balance size seven 224 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: I think, and Kirkland Island, same general area right right, 225 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: the same forty mile stretch along that coastal area. And 226 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: this is within ten months now five ft four people. Yeah, so, um, 227 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: the the other new balanced sneaker was found. That was 228 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: the fifth foot found. And then in between the Yeah, 229 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: they matched the foot to the you know, I don't 230 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: know if that's good or bad, but they found the 231 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: guy's other foot, right, the the woman that was the 232 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: woman that they they found her two ft yes, so 233 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: her feet were number three and number five to turn up. 234 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: And then in between an entirely different person's foot turned up, 235 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: men's like size eleven Nike, I think so. Yeah, within 236 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: within a ten month period, there were five feet belonging 237 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: to four different people that turned up on this little stretch. 238 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: That's right, that's significant. Then there was a six foot 239 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: the next August. This was in actually in Washington, so 240 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: I guess it had its h hey as in order 241 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: and made its way to the States. And so, like 242 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: you said, if you're following the story at home as 243 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: it's going on, you're starting to think, like, if I 244 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: go to the beach, I'm going to see a foot today. 245 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: And a lot of people did do that. A lot 246 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: of people around British Columbias started looking for disembodied feet. 247 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: They were turning up so frequently and I misspoke, you 248 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: were right. So the seventh foot to turn up was 249 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: the woman's other foot. That's hard to keep track, it 250 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: really is. So how many feet in total, sir? I 251 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: think the last two were found February of this year. Yeah, 252 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: and they actually belonged to the same person. But they 253 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: were found a week or two or so apart. And 254 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: I say last, I mean most recent. I'm sure more 255 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: feet will come. It seems that way because between so 256 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: the first foot was found in August two thousand and seven, 257 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: these most recent feet were found in February two thousand sixteen. 258 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: That total seventeen disembodied feet found within a hundred and 259 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: fifty miles stretch between Tacoma, Washington and British Columbia. That's unusual, 260 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: it seems like it, and there's a lot of theories, 261 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: but no one can say definitively here's what's going on, 262 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: right uh, And I know we're making a lot of jokes. 263 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: I realized these feet belonged to people who are no 264 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: longer with us. I just want to throw that out 265 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: there that we do a lot of comedy on this show, 266 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: so we did a coma episode that had jokes. I mean, 267 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: come on, I just wanted to see away there. Uh. 268 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: So from the beginning, the cops and the Mounties were 269 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: basically like, I don't you know, this seems really fishy. Uh, 270 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: but it's not. We don't think it's murder. We don't 271 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: think there's someone out there killing people and chopping their 272 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: feet off, which is what a lot of people thought. Yeah. 273 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: But and notably because their feet weren't cut off, and 274 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: you can tell right they were, They said that they 275 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: were naturally disarticulated, right, that's right. Um. So that first 276 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: foot that that girl found on Jedediah Island was identified 277 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: pretty quickly because the cops released a pick sure of 278 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: the shoe to the media. And remember it was a 279 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Campus brand which has made in India, sold mostly in India. 280 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: And so the guy whose foot it was, his family 281 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: saw it on the news and identified him as somebody 282 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: who he was a longtime suffer of depression and he 283 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: was in a depressed state when his family last saw him. 284 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: So the cops came to the logical conclusion that he 285 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: had killed himself. So foot number one has been matched 286 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: to a missing person case. Clothes right, that's right. Uh. 287 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: So then the new balance shoes turned up on separate islands. Uh, 288 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: this is the woman and she was identified as a 289 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: lady who also was suffering from depression and jumped off 290 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: a bridge. I think they knew this for sure. Yes, 291 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: that's where the woman was last seen, was jumping off 292 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: a bridge. Yeah, this has been four years previous. So 293 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: now they're starting to get a pattern here where all right, 294 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: there was another man to the one on Valdi's Island 295 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: feet three and five. Uh, they determined either suicide or accident. 296 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: And then another couple of people who were accidentally killed. 297 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: And so they see this pattern now, all right, these 298 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: are people that just happened to die or die by 299 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: their own hand, um near enough to the water where 300 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: their feet were there. Yes, I'm just being vague for now, right, Yeah. 301 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: But the weird thing is is now, all of a sudden, 302 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: in a very short period of time, relatively short period 303 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: of time. Um, I mean because one of these guys 304 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: whose feet turned up was last seen after his boat 305 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: turned over. So in a very short period of time, 306 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: all these people who died at very different periods of time, 307 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: suddenly their feet were starting to turn up in this 308 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: area around the stylish sailorsh Sea. Yes, um and the 309 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: cops had a I guess, kind of a pretty good 310 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 1: idea from the outset. But to understand what was going on, 311 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: or at least what the cops say was going on, 312 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: you have to understand what happened to a UM. A 313 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: person who dies in the water. You think that people float, 314 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you kind of think that because in 315 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: movies that you know, if you're trying to get rid 316 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: of a body in the water, you always you know, 317 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: ty cement blocks to a submit shoes is the old joke. 318 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: You know, somebody turned up like that in New York recently, 319 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: like with submit shoes, not too many movies. But the 320 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: idea is that you have to weight the body down. 321 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: And I suppose if you were going to get rid 322 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: of a body that I'd probably do the same thing, 323 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: just out of you know, just cover my basis, just 324 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: to be sure. Well, the thing is, if you do 325 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: you cebment shoes on a person, you should never do that, 326 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: you know. But if you did, um, what you're doing 327 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: is you're not ensuring that they sink, right, then you're 328 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: ensuring that they don't come back up because that's what happens. 329 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: That's right, body that has gone unconscious or has drowned 330 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: and died, Um sinks pretty quickly. And it it usually 331 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: sinks so quick that if you are looking for a 332 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: drowning victim, you you should look on the bottom pretty 333 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: close to where they were last seen on the surface. 334 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: They sink that fast. Man. So a body sinks, um, 335 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: and it will sink faster and fresh water than saltwater 336 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: because saltwaters makes humans a little more buoyant. Um. I 337 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: guess overweight people, people with a lot of fat on 338 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: their bodies sink uh more slowly than people who are leaner. Um. 339 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: And then depending on the water temperature as well, um, 340 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: and how deep the water is, they'll sink faster and 341 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: faster as they get to the bottom. Yea. And depending 342 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: on what you're wearing, yeah, like a code or shoes 343 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: or something like that, or a backpack. It's it's definitely 344 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: gonna pull you down. But the point is once you 345 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: go under, once you submerge and you're dead or you're dying, Um, 346 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna sink pretty quick. Yeah, there's more pressure to 347 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: the deeper you get in the body of water. Uh. 348 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned the temperature was lower, but there's also more pressure. 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: That compressed is the air in your body, and that's 350 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna make you less floaty as well. So the thing 351 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: the cool air or the cool temperature does down there 352 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: is it uh kind of preserves you for a little while, 353 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: longer than ordinarily because um, the bacteria that will eventually 354 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: consume your body or just gonna be slower do so 355 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: they just move more slowly. But that bacteria is eventually 356 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna overcome the sinking of the body because your body 357 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: is an enclosed system generally roughly, I mean, you've got 358 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: a mouth and all that, you know, But as they're eating, 359 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: they're putting out as a waste product, um, gases like 360 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: methane and stuff like that. UM, and your body traps 361 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: that stuff and it begins to bloat. And I'm everyone 362 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: knows that once you bloat, you float. That's right, that's 363 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: the forensics bumper sticker. Yeah, eventually you're going to rise 364 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: to the top like a dirigible because those gases that 365 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: are trapped in your body or like like a submarine. 366 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: I guess do you mean they keep going into the 367 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: air like you float off and then your foot will 368 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: be found on the moon later. Uh, yeah, you're gonna float. 369 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: And that's why whenever they people discover like a dead 370 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: body in a lake much later, it's you know, it's 371 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: not a pretty thing. They're they're bloated and and puffed 372 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: out and decomposed. It's not pretty. But if you are UM, 373 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: if you're trapped, say like in a vehicle or something 374 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: like that, and all of this takes place, UM, eventually 375 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: your your body is going to be prevented from floating 376 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: away and it will eventually rupture. And once the rupture happens, 377 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: all that gas and the um, the buoyancy that's created 378 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: by it is all released, and you're staying there. You're 379 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: staying there. And I read this article about UM. Did 380 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: you read the article about the Oklahoma guy? Huh? Yeah, 381 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: it was really weird. Is so like the guy? There 382 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: was a guy who was um, whose brother went missing 383 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: in his Camaro and I think like nineteen seventy and 384 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: he um, he just never knew what happened to him, 385 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: and he used this boat ramp on this place called 386 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Fosse Lake, and he found out later when the cops 387 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: accidentally discovered the car that his brother had been submerged in. 388 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Just twelve feet of water for forty years. All those 389 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: times he was back in his boat into False Lake. 390 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: His brother was right below him, and they found him accidentally. 391 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: And then they found another car that had gone missing 392 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: I think the year before, just a few feet away. 393 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: And the moral of the story is that False Lake 394 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: is really murky. I mean twelve ft of water, two 395 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: different cars, Camaro, Camaro, and I think like a packer 396 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: or something like that, or buick Man. Unbelievable. Uh all right, 397 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: well let's take another little break here and we'll talk 398 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more about what can happen to a 399 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: body under water and uh, what's the deal with all 400 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: these feet? All right? Uh, just this year there was 401 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: a study there's some criminologists at Simon Fraser, you outside 402 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: of Vancouver, and there have been a bunch of studies 403 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: like this over the years where they we've talked to, 404 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, in our Body Farm episode, where criminologists and 405 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: forensics experts try to see what happens to bodies under 406 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: various conditions, including being sunk underwater. Uh So they took 407 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: a pig carcass in this case, not a human cadaver, 408 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: and they sunk it kind of nearer where uh in 409 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: the sailors Sea where these feet had been appearing, and um, 410 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: this these pigs carcasses were um, they were bones in 411 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: a matter of days. It was really really fast. Yeah, 412 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: they were really surprised, surprisingly fast because you know, conventional 413 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: wisdom is that this took weeks months maybe even and 414 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: the other studies have shown that right, and these things, 415 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: these pigs were like just bones in a few days. Um. 416 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: They think it's possible that the sailor c is um 417 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: an anomaly because this was an almost a thousand feet 418 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: of water, but it's really highly oxygenated, so there's a 419 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: lot of life down there, um, a lot more things 420 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: to eat a body exactly, Whereas if you took it 421 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: to another body of water and a thousand feet there, 422 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: there might not be as much oxygen, so it might 423 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: take longer. But for the sailors c, it's possible for 424 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: something to be reduced to bones in a few days. Yeah. 425 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Here was my one problem with the way they did 426 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: this study. Maybe I overthought it, but they trapped it 427 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: under fencing, um, which presumably means that that was just 428 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of in one place the whole time. 429 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: I would have like, if you're going to stimulate a 430 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: hum and body, I would have uh maybe shackled a 431 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: leg and and put a long leader a hundred so 432 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: it could move around and see what the Yeah, because 433 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: a body can move on the bottom a little because 434 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: there's currents, you know. But yeah, have you seen did 435 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: you see the video of it? The time elapse video. 436 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: It's really something. It's gross. I don't need it. So 437 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: um there was another study that I found that really 438 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: kind of um ties all this together. It was from 439 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: and it was carried out by the corner of King's County, 440 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: which is where Seattle is, and um, he or she 441 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: I think it was he. Um looked at bodies that 442 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: have been pulled from the water, and he took the 443 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: amount of time they've been in the water submerged, and 444 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: then uh, the amount of body parts that were left 445 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: or exactly what body parts are left, and basically went 446 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: act and reverse engineered the process by which a body 447 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: comes apart when it submerged underwater. That's valuable information, it 448 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: really is, you know. And so what they what they 449 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: came up with was that the the skin, the thinnest 450 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: areas of skin typically cover like joints like your wrist 451 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: and ankles does get eaten away first, which exposes that 452 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: soft tissue beneath that holds your hand to your arm 453 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: or your foot to your leg, and then that gets 454 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: attacked by scavengers and all the other stuff that's eating it. 455 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: And so between the things eating that soft tissue holding 456 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: the bone together and the wave action of the currents 457 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the body of water, the hands 458 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: and then the feet work loose, they disarticulate, so they 459 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: naturally will fall off the body as the body is decomposing, 460 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: submerged underwater, and they are among the first parts to go. 461 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: That's right. And if you're just a foot and you're 462 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: not wearing a shoe, um, then chances are that foot 463 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: will get consumed and you will never see it again. 464 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: Although one of these feet was a barefoot correct, which 465 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: seems to be a little bit of an outlier, a 466 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: little bit. But if you've got a shoe on that 467 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: thing that's tied up nice and tight, and you're disarticulated 468 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: at the ankle, that foot is still inside that shoe, 469 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: gonna make it really hard for a scavenger to get 470 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: in there. And it's very possible that that foot will 471 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: not decomposed or at least decomposed very slowly. Right, And 472 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: not only that, will it be protected once it disarticulates. 473 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: If it's wearing a certain kind of shoe, specifically an 474 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: athletic shoe that's made in the last like, uh twenty years. Uh, 475 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna have air injected into the soul. And in 476 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: the case of like remember Nike air max Is, they 477 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: had actual air pockets like in the in between the 478 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: soul and the bottom of the shoe, and that actually 479 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: creates a buoyant effect that will lift a shoe, including 480 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: one that has a foot still inside, to the surface. Yeah. 481 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: So they started looking all these cases and they said, well, 482 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: almost all of these are athletic shoes, so that makes sense. 483 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: And it's gonna bob upside down because of that rubbery soul, 484 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be protected even more from birds and things. 485 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: So what we have here is a case of people 486 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: that just happened to die and their feet happen to 487 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: come away from their bodies and be well protected by 488 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: these awesome running shoes and eventually made their ways to shore. Um. 489 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: But a little bit weird that they would happen in 490 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: this area in such a span of time, I would 491 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: still say, right, that's a that's to me the um 492 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: and and we should say that's what you just said, 493 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: that's the cops position. And it has been basically since 494 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: the outset, since the first foot was found. Basically nothing 495 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: to see here and there's not a lot there to 496 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: um to undermine it, yeah, or attack it like it's 497 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: a pretty sound position, but there is still a mystery 498 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: to it to me, and that why British Columbia like it. 499 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. And there's a couple of explanations. 500 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: One is that the Sailors Sea is something like a 501 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: lagoon to where water flows in from the Pacific Ocean 502 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: from the south northward into the Sailors Sea, and once 503 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: stuff goes in there, it basically recirculates. It doesn't come 504 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: back out very often. Well that when you see the 505 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: sign that says sailor see it says feete flow in, 506 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: they don't flow out exactly right, So once you see 507 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: that sign, you're like, well, there's the explanation. Um. The 508 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: idea is that the Sailor Sea would experience higher incidents 509 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: of flots some of all types, including feet, which is 510 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: one explanation it could be right, Well, I'm sure that 511 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: has something to do with it. Sure. The other explanation 512 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: is um, one of my favorite things in the world, 513 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: which is a version of uh. Well, there's a couple 514 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: of names for it. UM. There was a guy named 515 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Arnold's Wicky Uh in two thousand six and linguistics per 516 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: fessor at Stanford who coined the term frequency illusion UH. 517 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: And that's one of the cognitive biases. UM. We're basically 518 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: if you are looking for something, you're gonna find it. 519 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: All these people saw in the news feet washing up 520 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: on the shore, so like you said, they all started 521 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: looking for feet, and every time a foot was found, 522 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: it just supported the idea that yes, there's something really 523 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: weird going on here, which only increased the awareness and 524 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: the focus on this, which means that people started seeing 525 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: more and more feet. That's right. So frequency illusions specifically 526 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: is a mix of selective attention and confirmation bias. So 527 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: in this case, selective attention unconsciously keeping an eye out 528 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: for that new thing that you were just told about, 529 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: which is the feat uh. And the confirmation bias in 530 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: this case is the reassurance that it's just proof more 531 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: and more proof of its omnipresence more feet you could 532 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: see that happening here for sure. Pretty interesting. It's called 533 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: the bottom line Huff phenomenon too. Yeah. I didn't know 534 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: where that came from those ad until I looked it up. 535 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: It was just a comment or on a on the 536 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: Pioneer Press of St. Paul discussion board. And he had 537 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: heard about the bottom mine HAFF terrorist group a couple 538 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: of times and one day and for the first time, yeah, 539 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: and just said, you know, bottom MINEHFF phenomenon, and it 540 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: became a meme. I thought it was more. I don't. 541 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was cooler than that. I thought there 542 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: was some cool explanation that wasn't just some dude online. 543 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: It definitely sounds cooler than it is. It sounds way 544 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: cooler than it is. But it's a common thing and people, Uh, 545 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: you talk about eleven eleven on the clock is a 546 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: big one for a lot of people say, you know, 547 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: I see eleven eleven all the time in the clock. 548 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: It's because you're looking for it. Sure frequency illusion. Yeah, 549 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: it's not actually happening more than it ever was. You know, 550 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: you're just paying more attention to it now. And this 551 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: is a really, really unnerving suggestion, man, because it's it 552 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: says that feet washing up on the shore is way 553 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: more common then, and of us realizing that if you 554 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: went over and picked up an athletics shoe on a 555 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: beach somewhere, there's a good chance that there's going to 556 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: be a foot inside. We just aren't aware of this 557 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: as as human beings and outside of Vancouver, right, So 558 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 1: that makes Vancouver the capital of the disembodied, the disembodied 559 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: feat capital of the world. I don't know that that 560 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: necessarily holds up, though. I don't think it's being to explain, yeah, 561 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: because I mean, I bet, I bet you it's frequency illusion. 562 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: I I disagree. I think it's something else. I think 563 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: it probably has to do with the hydrology or something 564 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: about Vancouver or British Columbia. There's this some database called 565 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: name US and it's like a catalog of unidentified remains, 566 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: and I did a search for disarticulated foot and out 567 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: of like forty thousand unidentified remains in the US, Vancouver 568 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: the only three were disarticulated feet, and one was found 569 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: in the Washington State area. So you could technically kind 570 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: of included in that weird Vancouver clump. One was in 571 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: Maryland and one was in Dallas. That was it. So 572 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: it does really seem like Vancouver has a higher than 573 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: usual incidents of this articulated feet showing up in its area. 574 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: WOWI which is weird? Are you on the case? No? 575 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: Not'm just a fan. So you got anything else? No, 576 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: I just realized I've been like rotating my feet around 577 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: and making sort of Uh. If you want to know 578 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: more about this, um, you can. Actually, there are three 579 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: really good articles that I read in addition to some 580 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: other ones, but three stood out. One was by Winston 581 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: Ross of The Daily Beast, one was on Pacific Standard 582 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: I didn't see an author, and then Christomers Christopher Solomon's 583 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: outside article. Those are all pretty stand out. Uh. And 584 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: since I said stand out, it's time for a listener. 585 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna call this Internet Roundup. I don't know 586 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: if people watch, but we have an Internet show called 587 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: Internet Roundup. Several people walk yeah, and it's like the 588 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: silliest thing we do. We sit down in this studio 589 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: on video and we just talked about a couple of 590 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: things on the Internet that we think our neat. So 591 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: that is a setup. Hey, guys, I was recently on 592 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: a Delta plight and they show these on Delta, and 593 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: this is not an advert Delta. I was recently on 594 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: adults plight from Atlanta at Austin keeping an eye out 595 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: for your hat, Chuck. I got very excited when I 596 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: remembered I could watch your Internet Roundup show on the 597 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: plane to pass the time. Because we began our descend 598 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: in Austin, sudden thunderstorms developed. 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I just 607 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: thought you would like to know that despite the horrible 608 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: weather going on, and never lost connection with your show. Uh, 609 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: watching Internet round Up and able to listen and watch 610 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: you guys really helped me keep calm until our pilot 611 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 1: finally gave up trying to land and diverted the plane 612 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: to Houston. That's even scarier. You know, I'm not gonna 613 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: try anymore. Well, let's go to Houston close enough. Yeah. Uh. 614 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: In the end, everyone made it to Austin safely though, 615 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: So thanks for everything you guys do. And that is 616 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: from Lauren Sprouse. 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