Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, February eleventh, twenty twenty five. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We want to play
Speaker 1: your favorite song, but people like to sue. It's me
Speaker 1: and man MG Marcus grand Joy by Michael I have
Speaker 1: Florio and Lakwan Jones and fellas. The football season is
Speaker 1: officially over?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: It is over? I mean like we're gonna roll right
Speaker 1: into next season because the NFL refuses to ever STFU.
Speaker 1: But you know, we're just gonna roll right into the
Speaker 1: next one. But this season, the twenty twenty four to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season, has ended. We will obviously talk
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl on today's show, but general thoughts,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, did you enjoy the game? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: asking you, Florida, because you know, obviously I know you
Speaker 1: got some hate in your heart. Did you enjoy what
Speaker 1: you saw on the field on Sunday?
Speaker 2: Yes, very much. So I went into this game being like,
Speaker 2: I want to see the Chiefs win because then I
Speaker 2: could be like, Okay, yeah, the Bills didn't beat them,
Speaker 2: but in the last three years no one has. But
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have wanted to see the Eagles win, like
Speaker 2: a close nail biter, but seeing them stop a mudhole
Speaker 2: in the Chiefs for four quarters walk dry. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: like a Drake level l. The Chiefs took on Super
Speaker 2: Bowl Sunday and their fans, oh my god, and I
Speaker 2: understand why their fans are the cockies fans in football.
Speaker 2: They've earned that right. But they finally had to take
Speaker 2: it on the chin a bit. They had their come
Speaker 2: up and and the best part about it is their
Speaker 2: goat had to become the second best quarterback of all
Speaker 2: time pretty concretely in front of the actual goat, Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: It was a big day of l's for the Kansas
Speaker 2: City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we will get in. I was to the game.
Speaker 1: We will get into you mentioned Drake. We will get
Speaker 1: into the halftime show as well on this episode. But
Speaker 1: look what I want to ask you, Well, first a
Speaker 1: couple of things.
Speaker 2: One, how do you want to start with this? Look? Well?
Speaker 1: One, let's let's you were actually in New Orleans for
Speaker 1: a couple of days last week. What was that like?
Speaker 1: What was the atmosphere like for a couple days you
Speaker 1: were down there?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was great for my first experience
Speaker 3: in media row. You got to meet and see a
Speaker 3: lot of people, a lot of players that you love
Speaker 3: to see. I mean, guys were looking for you guys
Speaker 3: as well down there. I mean the guy came up
Speaker 3: to me, it was like, oh here, Lookwan, like you
Speaker 3: work with the younger Florio and.
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So it was great down there to be recognized and
Speaker 3: stuff like that and get some great content. And like
Speaker 3: me and Adam Rank, we roomed together down there, so
Speaker 3: we ended up meeting a couple guys at this bar.
Speaker 3: They're actually from Cork, Ireland, and we shared a couple
Speaker 3: of pints and one of the guys that we met
Speaker 3: is the Saints kicker and he's part of that international
Speaker 3: program of actually coming over and signing with a team.
Speaker 3: So shout out to Cork Ireland. I love our international listeners.
Speaker 3: They loved the pop and we're just gonna keep going, man,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, shout out to those guys. Get a
Speaker 3: point next time I see you guys at Combined maybe awesome.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is just will send this
Speaker 1: out to the bobs if you guys are listening. People
Speaker 1: were hoping that we were gonna be at Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh look, let's sniff this and email it over.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, look like next year it's in Santa Clara.
Speaker 1: It's at Levi Stadium. If you're really worried about costs,
Speaker 1: we can drive. I'm sure my mom will let us
Speaker 1: crash at her house if we have to. Like I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just look, I know we're trying to save
Speaker 1: money here as a network, I'm trying to do my part.
Speaker 1: Uh More importantly, lakwan, why are you wearing a blazer?
Speaker 1: And why do you have a giant rock on your hand? Listen,
Speaker 1: it's Super Bowl. I saw my coach in the pre
Speaker 1: show game. I never watched the pre show, but when
Speaker 1: you see my coach, Sean McVay looking good, head throw
Speaker 1: the blazer on. You see my rampage pin over here?
Speaker 1: And is that is I just saw a pin and like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Got this a super Bowl like ring? Because that's how
Speaker 2: big the super Bowl ring was Like.
Speaker 1: It looks like you have a thing of Jiffy pop
Speaker 1: on your hand. What is that?
Speaker 2: Is that a crunched up tinfoil? This is how big
Speaker 2: the ring looked?
Speaker 3: Like, Oh my god, I was like, did you see
Speaker 3: that rock on his hand?
Speaker 1: My goodness, Yeah, you know, look, we do a pod.
Speaker 1: We were all remote, we're all from home. Yeah, most
Speaker 1: of the time. Where you show up here, we're again
Speaker 1: hoodies and you know, probably sweats or basketball shorts. I
Speaker 1: log on, I see Lakwan and a blazer with a
Speaker 1: collared shirt, Like, what did I miss a memo? What
Speaker 1: what is happening here?
Speaker 2: The best part is I log on and Lakwan's like,
Speaker 2: to our producer Kyrie, He's like, oh man, look at
Speaker 2: that loud shirt your rocket And I'm like, but but
Speaker 2: look at you, like you're wearing a bald tinfoil and a.
Speaker 1: Blazer for a remote podcast.
Speaker 2: What was Sabrina's thoughts on that ring?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Geene s yet. Actually, I got to put this back.
Speaker 3: This is a jello mini snack for my kids, exactly
Speaker 3: Mason's favorite. It's the strawberry kuin. So I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 3: put this zack.
Speaker 2: It's actually use goodness, it's where our lunches.
Speaker 1: This show is going to be so off the rails today.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna dive into the super Bowl. Obviously
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big chunk of the show. But
Speaker 1: want to start with some news because there has been
Speaker 1: actual non Super Bowl related NFL news over the last
Speaker 1: few days since we last spoke with you, the biggest one.
Speaker 1: It was expected all weekend. It seems like as as
Speaker 1: we are recording this show that it is actually becoming
Speaker 1: official now. But Kellen Moore will be the new head
Speaker 1: coach of the New Orleans Saints. I've obviously been an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for a number of years, has had some success.
Speaker 1: Now is the I guess, former offensive coordinator of the
Speaker 1: reigning Super Bowl champions. So he goes down to New
Speaker 1: Orleans with the hope that he can revive the Saints,
Speaker 1: get that offense going again, get this team back successful
Speaker 1: again in a division this is still pretty winnable and
Speaker 1: when you look at the team's top to bottom there
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask this if you, Lakwan, because you
Speaker 1: have been very vocal about Chris Olave, is this enough
Speaker 1: to get you back on board with Chris Olave?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: We were texting what's that name of that sachral bag
Speaker 3: that we were gonna call it?
Speaker 2: Because oh the.
Speaker 1: Oh what is it? I remember the Chalice of hater Ad.
Speaker 1: I think what I have? I mean there was something
Speaker 1: else though we had a different name, but me, I'll
Speaker 1: scroll through our text and try to find.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't hate Chris Olave. I just feel like
Speaker 3: for fantasy I can't ever draft him because of just
Speaker 3: the concerns of just the overall offense and obviously his
Speaker 3: health is definitely going to be you know, a red
Speaker 3: flag when it comes.
Speaker 2: To his ADP as well.
Speaker 3: But more so, they don't really have a quarterback down
Speaker 3: there that makes me excited about him hisself. Where you
Speaker 3: have Derek Carr, there, you have Spencer Rattler. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that any of these guys can create scoring opportunities,
Speaker 3: even with Kellen Moore as the offensive coordinator. So it's
Speaker 3: like I'm not really like, yay Kellen Moore, Chris o'lave.
Speaker 3: It's more so of like, are they going to get
Speaker 3: a quarterback in there? I mean, look, welcome to New Orleans,
Speaker 3: Jalen Monroe. I mean if they end up drafting him
Speaker 3: in the second round, the early second round, which they
Speaker 3: have an early picked there, then okay, I can get
Speaker 3: a little bit more excited that this offense has somewhat
Speaker 3: of a scoring opportunity to where we could see the
Speaker 3: touchdowns from Chrystal Lobby, because that's always been his biggest enemy.
Speaker 1: So I feel back to curtin a little bit. I
Speaker 1: know that we haven't really gotten into our draft content
Speaker 1: a lot, but I know that you have said, at
Speaker 1: least privately between us, that you're big on Jylen Milroe,
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that you are excited about watching
Speaker 1: and seeing in the NFL. So if that could be
Speaker 1: interesting potentially, if that happens. The other thing is the
Speaker 1: satchel of discontent. You didn't you didn't want to use
Speaker 1: the phrase hate bag. You thought it was not necessarily
Speaker 1: friendly enough, So I came up with the satchel of discontent.
Speaker 2: I love that satral discontent.
Speaker 1: There is a satchel would go very well with that blazer.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys, Indiana Jones. Where's a satchel?
Speaker 1: I mean, look, how are you Florio?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Like obviously I don't see a move away from Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: at least in the short term. Alvin Kamara is going
Speaker 1: to be a year older. He's not been super productive
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. Is Kellen Moore enough
Speaker 1: to get you mildly excited about this offense?
Speaker 2: Really, Chris Olave, maybe Rashid Shaheed, like Lakwan, I have
Speaker 2: been out on a Lave in the past, but so
Speaker 2: much of that is because of where you had to
Speaker 2: take him, Like I was not comfortable taking Chris O
Speaker 2: Lave in the early second round because of all of
Speaker 2: the reasons, Lakwan said. Derek Carr I do not believe
Speaker 2: is the type of quarterback to elevate the type of
Speaker 2: wide receiver that Chris ol Lave is. I mean, two
Speaker 2: years ago, Derek Carr led the league in checkdowns from
Speaker 2: a clean pocket, like he is not looking to air
Speaker 2: the ball downfield. But look, things are gonna change. I
Speaker 2: pulled up Fantasy Pro's early PPR wide receiver rankings and
Speaker 2: Olave's wide receiver twenty five. So if I could get
Speaker 2: him now as a wide receiver three at a big
Speaker 2: discount for what it has cost in past years, and
Speaker 2: you get Kellen Moore, who I'm a sucker for because
Speaker 2: he runs a very fast paced offense. He likes to
Speaker 2: air it out. Even though this year the Eagles were
Speaker 2: just like, all right, we have sake one and you don't,
Speaker 2: so we're just gonna run the ball all the game,
Speaker 2: he does like to air the ball out and run
Speaker 2: a fast paced offense. So if you're giving me a
Speaker 2: Lave at a discount, and this is by far the
Speaker 2: cheapest he's ever been, I will buy back in. But
Speaker 2: if people, if we get it to August, like we
Speaker 2: tend to do, when people start being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Chrystal Lave has Kellen Moore, I'm pulling him back up
Speaker 2: to like a high end wide receiver two. Then then
Speaker 2: I'm out again.
Speaker 1: I get the feeling it won't even be a your
Speaker 1: chrysal o'lave has Kellen Moore. It'll be that he hovers
Speaker 1: around wide receiver twenty five for a good long time,
Speaker 1: and then one day we're gonna wake up. Because here's
Speaker 1: the thing. You guys know this, and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys listening know this as well. On random days, it
Speaker 1: just the conversation just becomes about one player, and it
Speaker 1: won't necessarily have to connect to anything. It's just that
Speaker 1: somebody wakes up in the morning and will tweet about,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Olave, and then suddenly that's the conversation
Speaker 1: for forty eight hours. And I just get the sense
Speaker 1: that we'll get to a point and somebody will say
Speaker 1: or somebody's multiple people will say Wow, Chris o'lave, a
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty five is really undervalued, and then a
Speaker 1: week later he's wide receiver seventeen, you know, or something
Speaker 1: like that. Like that that tends.
Speaker 2: To be I call that the Game Davis effect. There's
Speaker 2: that stretch in this summer where every day is just
Speaker 2: like one player day in Fantasy Twitter, and there will
Speaker 2: come like July sixteenth will be like Chris Olave day,
Speaker 2: and everyone will pull them up the board. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna schedule a tweet right now.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, I'm just scheduling it's randomly somewhere
Speaker 3: in June, and we're gonna see.
Speaker 1: And I will say, it's really confusing for those of
Speaker 1: us on the West coast because the conversation will have
Speaker 1: been going for several hours. And so you wake up
Speaker 1: and everybody's tweeting about a certain player, and my first
Speaker 1: instinct is did something happened? And you start googling, you
Speaker 1: start searching, and you're like you're looking for a headline
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, nothing happens. Just today, everybody's just
Speaker 1: talking about Chris Olave like that's just what it is.
Speaker 2: Speak real quick, do you guys, how do you think
Speaker 2: the first interaction between Kellen Moore and Derek Carr went?
Speaker 2: Do you think Kellen Moore brought up the time that
Speaker 2: Boise State beat Fresno fifty seven to set, Like, how
Speaker 2: weird is that that this coach could be like I
Speaker 2: dominated you in college?
Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely, I was saying this to you, guys. I
Speaker 1: was texting you guys because I lived in Fresno for
Speaker 1: about five and a half years and at the time,
Speaker 1: Presno State was kind of interesting, you know. I was
Speaker 1: at between the car brothers, right. I got to town
Speaker 1: just after a year or two after David had left,
Speaker 1: and it was before Derek started playing there as the quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know, and the Bulldogs kind of had it going,
Speaker 1: and they were hyped and they played some big games,
Speaker 1: and every now and then they'd win one of these
Speaker 1: big games. They had these really big expectations and hopes,
Speaker 1: and then every year they play Boise and Bois would
Speaker 1: punch them in the mouth repeatedly and right all of
Speaker 1: their hopes and dreamed. And as me, being a neutral
Speaker 1: observer the whole thing, I found it funny. The locals
Speaker 1: didn't see it the same way I did.
Speaker 2: Weird anyway, I feel like if Jalen Hurts had to
Speaker 2: coach Patrick Mahomes next year, like.
Speaker 1: Like, hey man, remember when this happened? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Speaking of quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets appear headed
Speaker 1: for a conscious uncoupling. I don't know that anybody's really surprised.
Speaker 1: Those two seasons went about as poorly as you could
Speaker 1: have imagined. Season one lasted all the four snaps before
Speaker 1: the Achilles Tour. Season two, you've made it through the season,
Speaker 1: but neither he nor the team were very good. So
Speaker 1: the Jets have said they are planning to move on.
Speaker 1: So here we are Florio. We're looking at Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who is going to be forty two sometime next season,
Speaker 1: just turned forty one at the start of December, is
Speaker 1: coming off, you know, a couple of worse of his career. Still.
Speaker 1: I think in his mind probably has expectations that he
Speaker 1: should go somewhere and be a starter. But where does
Speaker 1: is there a place that Aaron Rodgers fits? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a team where you're like, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: want Aaron Rodgers to come in and be the starter
Speaker 1: here or does he have to accept it, like he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to either compete or be a backup somewhere.
Speaker 2: That there is zero team I believe out there that
Speaker 2: should be. Like Aaron Rodgers is our starting quarterback for
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five season. What I could see him
Speaker 2: doing is going to a team like the Raiders, the Vikings,
Speaker 2: the Titans who have the number one pick, maybe the Giants,
Speaker 2: something like that, and being like, Okay, Rogers, you're going
Speaker 2: to start the year for us, like your job is
Speaker 2: to get the kid ready and at some point we
Speaker 2: are going to hand over to the playbook the keys
Speaker 2: to this young guy. But will Rogers ego allow him
Speaker 2: to take that role? I have big questions on that.
Speaker 2: And I know, like people throw out like the pitchur
Speaker 2: Steelers because they're always a quarterback away from being competing.
Speaker 2: But is he an upgrade from Fields and Russell Wilson, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Watching Aaron Rodgers play this year, and
Speaker 2: I know you could say he was hurt and he
Speaker 2: played through injuries and everything, it felt like a guy
Speaker 2: who was on his way out of the league, who
Speaker 2: stayed past his time like that, That's really what it
Speaker 2: felt like. Maybe he wants to go play the Joe
Speaker 2: Flackel role. And back up Anthony Richardson. But I don't
Speaker 2: believe he is going to go somewhere where he knows
Speaker 2: my leash is very short and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: start for the whole year. And you know, I always
Speaker 2: love to salt sprinkle salts on the wounds man. Outside
Speaker 2: of Aaron Rodgers running in with the flag, what's the
Speaker 2: next best moment of Aaron Rodgers as a jet because
Speaker 2: I truly can't think of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nothing on the field.
Speaker 2: I mean, the next documentary probably right.
Speaker 1: It's just like, I mean, I can't think of anything.
Speaker 2: Well, him saying he's gonna return from the Achilles and
Speaker 2: then being like, whoa guys, you guys put a lot
Speaker 2: of expectations on me.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did have a I want to say
Speaker 1: he had a couple of games early in the season.
Speaker 1: I remember Week one against the forty nine ers, he
Speaker 1: had a couple of a couple of drives where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe something's gonna happen, Maybe a thing's gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: you know, they ended up losing that game. He did
Speaker 1: have that game Week three against the Patriots, for what
Speaker 1: it's worth, when he went out had two eighty one
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. But yeah, it's just not there are no
Speaker 1: real signature moments for Aaron Rodgers in a Jets uniform.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be the most overhyped tenure in NFL history.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's up there. Lakwan Floyd did mention the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and that's a team name that I've seen pop up
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I won't say it can't work, but
Speaker 1: it feels like they already sort of have a bridge
Speaker 1: head coach in Pete Carroll. Do you really want to
Speaker 1: also bring in a bridge quarterback? Right? Like? You know,
Speaker 1: at some point you got to just start buying new furniture.
Speaker 1: You can't just keep reupholstering the old beat up couches
Speaker 1: and hope, what do.
Speaker 2: You mean, I can't get the one that's on the
Speaker 2: curve right now?
Speaker 1: I mean that's what id I had one of those two,
Speaker 1: But I was, you know, nineteen years old in college,
Speaker 1: right Like that was different, you know, best catch I
Speaker 1: ever owned? It was great, But I wouldn't do this
Speaker 1: now as a fully formed adult with a family, like
Speaker 1: the Raiders can't. They can't have Pete Carroll and Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers as like the one two punch to start next year, right, I.
Speaker 3: Think he will raise his blood pressure, and I think
Speaker 3: we want to avoid that. I think we want to
Speaker 3: avoid any stress, any drama with the Las Vegas Raiders
Speaker 3: because they have enough within that building. So I think
Speaker 3: bringing in Aaron Rodgers would not be the right move
Speaker 3: to try to I guess coach up Aidan O'Connor or
Speaker 3: any quarterback that they bring in this draft, like, I
Speaker 3: would stay away if I'm the rated Raiders, because you
Speaker 3: guys need to just blow it up, start fresh, get
Speaker 3: Max Crosby to a place that he's happy, and just
Speaker 3: try to cleanse the just bad juju that's on this Raiders,
Speaker 3: you know team. I think bringing in to Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 3: with everything he brings with that, it's not going to
Speaker 3: fix your problems in winning games like this is not
Speaker 3: going to be going out there and elevating a trade
Speaker 3: Tucker or trying to get brock Bauers to hit even
Speaker 3: higher peaks. And no, I don't think Aaron Rodgers even
Speaker 3: deserves that opportunity to try to go there with the
Speaker 3: set pieces that they have and with that draft capital.
Speaker 3: So no, I could see him somewhere in Tennessee somewhere.
Speaker 3: I could see him somewhere, like we said, backing of
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. But starting days are over, man, I don't
Speaker 3: want to see him play football again.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I mean, best quarterback on the Raiders
Speaker 1: roster is the owner.
Speaker 2: So my god, Yeah, am I wrong? Davis?
Speaker 1: Mark Davis, am I wrong? No best quarterback on their
Speaker 1: roster is it?
Speaker 2: I mean active playing? It would probably be Jacobe Myers, to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, Dah that wants so much better.
Speaker 2: Keep pooh poohing the guy. But like you know, Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers thought he was going to go to the Jets
Speaker 2: and like kind of go out like Tom Brady with
Speaker 2: the ball. I think this shows how much different and
Speaker 2: better Tom Brady is than other legends. Is the fact
Speaker 2: that like how you go out matters a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. And he went on on top last
Speaker 1: bit of news here the forty nine ers. For a while,
Speaker 1: we're trying to say they want to bring the band
Speaker 1: back together, they want to try to make it work.
Speaker 1: They pay Brandon Ayuk. There were questions about whether or
Speaker 1: not they can keep Deebo. Samuel John Lynch said, originally
Speaker 1: they wanted to try. Now Deebo says he would like
Speaker 1: to explore a trade, and the Niners have granted him
Speaker 1: that request. Against my better judgment, I'm going to ask
Speaker 1: Noted forty nine or hater Lakwan Jones, yes about Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel's prospects, and look, I've long said that Debo is
Speaker 1: a much better player in real football than he is
Speaker 1: in fantasy because of what he does for the Niners
Speaker 1: and what he has meant for that offense doesn't always
Speaker 1: translate to fantasy points. Can Deebo succeed as a fantasy option?
Speaker 1: I think he can go somewhere and be that Swiss
Speaker 1: Army knife again. But can he succeed as a fantasy
Speaker 1: option outside of San Francis Go and outside of Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan's offense.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we could see him elsewhere in
Speaker 3: another jersey and be deployed and execute the offensive as
Speaker 3: a hybrided wide receiver. You know, we haven't seen Debo
Speaker 3: at his peak since he was back chasing, and kind
Speaker 3: of the numbers of efficiency has gone down. I mean,
Speaker 3: we looked at him as a wide receiver that can
Speaker 3: also be somewhat of a running back. You look at
Speaker 3: his efficiency in the yards for Kerry this year three
Speaker 3: point two, it's really disgusting, and it's like it's just
Speaker 3: been going down and down and down. It's not like
Speaker 3: he's not getting the opportunities either. He's playing, he's on
Speaker 3: the field and you have an injured to see him.
Speaker 3: See he's not even adding to the run game at all.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like weird that he wants to
Speaker 3: lead to think that the grass will be green or elsewhere.
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you now it's going to be very
Speaker 3: disgusting for fantasy if he ends up in the Patriots jersey,
Speaker 3: if he ends up somewhere in Tennessee or or somewhere
Speaker 3: with the Raiders, Like, it's not going to be what
Speaker 3: you think it's going to be. It's not going to
Speaker 3: be what it used to be when he was back chasing.
Speaker 3: But ever since he's got paid, he has not been
Speaker 3: that you know, elusive, explosive player that we've known in love.
Speaker 3: I know, we look at twenty twenty three, he was
Speaker 3: a top twenty wide receiver, but Brandon Nyuk was right there,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean to be one of the
Speaker 3: alpha WI receivers that had offense. And since then it's
Speaker 3: just been going down. So yeah, I'm happy to see
Speaker 3: it happen Marcus.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm sure you are. I'm sure you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think we wait that twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: season so heavily. And the more you look at his
Speaker 1: overall body of work, the more that stands out as
Speaker 1: the anomaly of his career that he's been a good receiver.
Speaker 1: He does a lot, he does a lot of the
Speaker 1: dirty work in that offense that you need to get done.
Speaker 1: But again, those little things don't translate to fantasy. The
Speaker 1: rushing that we all got so hyped about. It helped
Speaker 1: that he scored eight rushing touchdowns in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: but like the rushing numbers themselves are you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah right, So, I you know, I just I'm curious
Speaker 1: whether or not he's gonna have the same interest in
Speaker 1: fantasy if he does leave San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Well, we also haven't seen another offensive coordinator like mirror
Speaker 3: what he did in twenty twenty one. You know, like
Speaker 3: we're getting the Jaden Reid, you know, and it's the
Speaker 3: Kmar Walmart great value version of it. But it's like
Speaker 3: it's not that debo of twenty twenty one, we have
Speaker 3: yet to see another team, you know, execute that at
Speaker 3: a high level.
Speaker 1: And considering the way the season ended for Jaden Reid,
Speaker 1: now let's us get super excited about either. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: I will not be drafting Debo because everything you guys
Speaker 2: said about like the usage and all that. But even
Speaker 2: like he's so he's gonna be thirty, and it's like,
Speaker 2: do we view him as a wide receiver, a running back,
Speaker 2: a hybrid? Like I always joke that he's like the
Speaker 2: SpongeBob character that's in that bodycast, because every game he
Speaker 2: is hurting every single body part without physical he plays,
Speaker 2: but then he just like Wolverines and he heals up
Speaker 2: for the next play. But there were in that twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one season, I believe when you guys were in
Speaker 2: the playoffs, markets it was like every other play he
Speaker 2: was getting picked up off the field, and like I
Speaker 2: was like, how can his body hold up? His efficiency
Speaker 2: is to claw and but part of me is thinking
Speaker 2: his body might just be breaking down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well pointed out to because he did
Speaker 1: not have a great season last year. He did miss
Speaker 1: a couple games with pneumonia, and you do wonder true
Speaker 1: and it is a serious respiratory illness if that had
Speaker 1: an impact on him. But either way, it appears that
Speaker 1: the partnership between Deebo and the forty nine Ers is
Speaker 1: coming to an end. As a forty nine Er fan,
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you've done to the franchise. I wish
Speaker 1: you the best of luck. No hard feeling's on my
Speaker 1: end as a fan.
Speaker 2: Is he the biggest face of this last like? Is
Speaker 2: it him or Kittle? I would know it's.
Speaker 1: Just because personality wise and everything. I just I think
Speaker 1: it's Kittle. He's a bit of a wild He.
Speaker 2: Was just on Monday Night Raw last night.
Speaker 1: By the way, it was a huge He's a huge
Speaker 1: wrestling fan, a huge wrestling fan.
Speaker 2: He has a second career if he wants it.
Speaker 1: I mean he kind of looks like a wrestler for
Speaker 1: being so all right, now, we will keep tabs on
Speaker 1: some of these headlines and any updates as they come
Speaker 1: along and take a quick break. Come back, we will
Speaker 1: dive into Super Bowl fifty nine, first the on field stuff,
Speaker 1: then the rest of this stuff that's coming up next
Speaker 1: here on the NFL Fantasy Football Show, super Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: nine ended up being a little anti climactic. When it
Speaker 1: was all said and done, the Eagles dominated pretty much
Speaker 1: from start to finish. Forty to twenty two was the
Speaker 1: final score in a game that wasn't even that close.
Speaker 1: They were up by they being the Philadelphia Eagles up
Speaker 1: by four scores. The Chiefs did not get on the
Speaker 1: board until there were forty three seconds left in the
Speaker 1: third quarter.
Speaker 2: Yikes.
Speaker 1: Complete domination from top to bottom start to finish. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts swins the MVP Award. Seventeen to twenty two, passing
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty one yards, a pair of touchdowns,
Speaker 1: one interception, also eleven carries for seventy two yards in
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Got a great game for Saquon The Chiefs
Speaker 1: did sort of hold him and check. Twenty five carries
Speaker 1: fifty seven yards, six catches for forty yards. DeVonta Smith,
Speaker 1: AJ Brown both you know, kind of whatever, but getting
Speaker 1: the job done. DeVonta four for sixty nine in the
Speaker 1: touch AJ Brown three forty three in a touchdown. The
Speaker 1: defense maybe the biggest story of the game for Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Six sacks, three takeaways and he touchdown on the Cooper
Speaker 1: Degene picked six. Just I don't know how many more
Speaker 1: ways to say it. I mean, the Eagles owned this
Speaker 1: game from start to finish. And I'll say this, shout
Speaker 1: out to Patrick Claybon because he and I did Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Today last week that it aired on the fast
Speaker 1: channels on digital across the NFL media landscape, and we
Speaker 1: did the picks at the end of the week. You know,
Speaker 1: no surprise. I picked the Chiefs. He picked the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and he said, he said, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be particularly close. I think at the time his score,
Speaker 1: I think he had the Eagles winning by like eight
Speaker 1: or nine something like that. But as we left on Friday,
Speaker 1: he started to say, he's like, I think this could
Speaker 1: be and he stopped himself, but he's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Part of me thinks this could be. We were like
Speaker 1: Seahawks Broncos.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that was an epic blowout. And
Speaker 1: he kind of stopped himself and he walked back a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he was very confident the whole week
Speaker 1: that the Eagles were going to win and win fairly easily.
Speaker 1: So shout out to him for that. I don't want
Speaker 1: to sit here and talk about, you know, legacies and
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. I mean, one, it's just
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's still so much I think story
Speaker 1: to be written for both these teams and a lot
Speaker 1: of these players that it just seems kind of dumb
Speaker 1: to write legacy stories right now.
Speaker 2: We just got to stop pushing players ahead of all
Speaker 2: time greats before they've accomplished it.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to the Chiefs too, because I kind
Speaker 1: of do want to talk about that, I guess a
Speaker 1: little bit. But let's talk about the Eagles here, because
Speaker 1: they were the story. They won the game. They stomped
Speaker 1: out the Chiefs, no doubt about it. We are a
Speaker 1: fantasy football podcast, Flora. When you look at this Eagles offense,
Speaker 1: will they be the most expensive fantasy offense next season?
Speaker 2: I don't think so by a wide margin. Like I
Speaker 2: think the Ravens will cost more than them pretty easily.
Speaker 2: Like Jalen Hurts looking at again using Fantasy Pros early
Speaker 2: rankings because there's no ADP and stuff yet, we're too
Speaker 2: early for that. But Jalen Hurts QB four that is
Speaker 2: probably about the cheapest he's been in three or four years.
Speaker 2: Saquan is going to be more expensive than any one
Speaker 2: of us on the show are willing to pay. We've
Speaker 2: talked about that a lot. He's going to be the
Speaker 2: one to one in most drafts. We don't have him
Speaker 2: as the RB one. But then you look at their
Speaker 2: wide receivers. AJ Brown wide receiver nine. That is a
Speaker 2: discount from what it's been in past years. Davant Smith
Speaker 2: wide receiver thirty, so an even bigger discount than you've gone. Like,
Speaker 2: part of me is, like, I know the Eagles, they
Speaker 2: were thirty second in pass attempts this year. Saquan Amost
Speaker 2: went for two thousand yards for the record. All of that,
Speaker 2: They're not going to run as effective next year as
Speaker 2: they did this year. They're just not History doesn't repeat
Speaker 2: it self like that. So I think we get a
Speaker 2: little bit more passing, we get aj being healthy all year.
Speaker 2: So to me, surprisingly if this cost upholds, the Eagles
Speaker 2: are buying opportunity. At least the passing attack for me
Speaker 2: is a big buying opportunity.
Speaker 1: Lakwan Florida was talking about the the early rankings and
Speaker 1: where these guys are slotted. I would think the departure
Speaker 1: of Kellen Moore sort of baked into that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've known for a while right, there was a good
Speaker 1: chance he was going to go somewhere. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's baked in or we're gonna see some shifts now
Speaker 1: that the news has become official about Kellen Moore.
Speaker 3: It might be baked in, honestly, because when we look
Speaker 3: at them without Kellen Moore the year before, they were
Speaker 3: both top twenty wide receivers. And I think this is
Speaker 3: more so as situation where they're in a great situation
Speaker 3: with talent around them. You got Saquan and got Jailing,
Speaker 3: you got Dallas Codter AJ and of course Devontae Smith.
Speaker 3: I mean, you bring in the next oc, it's almost
Speaker 3: impossible for them to mess up how to deploy and
Speaker 3: execute these guys on the perimeter. So I definitely think
Speaker 3: we will get more of a passing game unless they
Speaker 3: into Adam Gates and then wear in big trouble, then
Speaker 3: it's going to be even bigger. But this count if
Speaker 3: he comes in and messes this up. But I just
Speaker 3: overall think that this is a situation where, like I
Speaker 3: would love the gay Aj Brown at wide receiver nine.
Speaker 3: That is beautiful. That is like one of the safest
Speaker 3: things that you can get in that first round at
Speaker 3: a wide receiver to start building your roster, because we've
Speaker 3: seen the talent displayed on a big dance game. Like, honestly,
Speaker 3: just him in that Super Bowl was what he honnestly
Speaker 3: was doing throughout the playoffs. So if we can get
Speaker 3: aj Brown healthy throughout the whole season, if we can
Speaker 3: get DeVante Smith as almost as a wide receiver three flex,
Speaker 3: absolutely I'm smashing those ADPs because they're going to outperform that.
Speaker 1: I do wonder a little bit. And obviously we don't
Speaker 1: know who the new offensive coordinator is going to be
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia at this moment. Last year, Saquon had three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five carries. He had never he had
Speaker 1: never hit three hundred before that average about twenty one
Speaker 1: carries per game. Will the new offensive coordinator sort of
Speaker 1: try to duplicate that, Will they want to ride Saquon
Speaker 1: again the way they did this year, because I feel
Speaker 1: like that had a lot to do with the numbers
Speaker 1: we saw from AJ Brown, from Jalen Hurts. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts didn't even get to three thousand passing yards
Speaker 1: this year. Because at some point it's like, well, why
Speaker 1: would we Saquon is crushing? Why would we want to
Speaker 1: try to throw in the football, We're gonna run it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play defense, and you know, I guess there's
Speaker 1: just so much unknown about what the offense is going
Speaker 1: to look like next year. I mean, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: we're we've already talked about we're not drafting Saquon where
Speaker 1: he's likely going to go. I just I think there's
Speaker 1: I think changes are afoot in this offense, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna not necessarily impact what what happens next year.
Speaker 3: He aj Brown who or a Monras Brown would changes
Speaker 3: at the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 2: Where are you going?
Speaker 5: I'm on Ra probably a Monra okay, but that on
Speaker 5: there's no way he'll have as many touches in my opinion,
Speaker 5: including the playoffs.
Speaker 2: This dude had four hundred and eighty touches. His previous
Speaker 2: career high was in the three seventies. At this age,
Speaker 2: I have no idea how you feel confident that he
Speaker 2: can repeat it. And the other thing we talked about
Speaker 2: so much on this pod is like, don't chase career years.
Speaker 2: This is arguably the greatest year a run that has
Speaker 2: ever had in NFL history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's been my argument this
Speaker 1: whole time. Is that the track record of guys who've
Speaker 1: run for two thousand yards the follow up seasons have
Speaker 1: have been there's been a significant fall off in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are the years when you
Speaker 1: look at them, a lot of them objectively have been
Speaker 1: good years, but coming after a two thousand yard season,
Speaker 1: there's a noticeable decline in production. And so that to
Speaker 1: me makes me a little bit leery of Saquon. He
Speaker 1: did just turn twenty eight on Sunday, so happy belated
Speaker 1: shout out to u.
Speaker 2: MG, because it was like week eighteen of the NFL
Speaker 2: season and you were like, yeah, I'm not taking Saquon
Speaker 2: in the first round, like you were clearly first on
Speaker 2: this trade.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, you know, and look, who knows we
Speaker 1: could be sitting here this time next year. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. That was stupid.
Speaker 2: Oh that was me this season.
Speaker 3: I mean, I said he might not have that burst anymore,
Speaker 3: and I made a reel out of it and just
Speaker 3: agg on my face.
Speaker 2: I mean, geez.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But otherwise, I think there's a lot obviously that
Speaker 1: we're going to be in on with this Eagles offense.
Speaker 1: I am curious. Once you know, we start getting ADPs
Speaker 1: kind of where some of these guys start falling. You know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned DeVonta Smith at wide receiver thirty, like where
Speaker 1: exactly he's taken over the course of a draft, because
Speaker 1: that does seem like a really significant discount. Crazy, that's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy for sure. On the other side, it
Speaker 1: was a pretty awful day all the way around for
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes twenty one to thirty two,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty seven yards, three touchdowns, two interceptions
Speaker 1: including the pick six, four carries for twenty five yards.
Speaker 1: He was Kansas City's leading rusher. He had four for
Speaker 1: twenty five. The Chiefs running backs combined seven carries twenty
Speaker 1: four yards. They could not could not, could not run
Speaker 1: the football. I said during the week, I thought Xavier
Speaker 1: Worthy was going to have a big game. I actually
Speaker 1: just thought it would happen in a situation where it
Speaker 1: mattered more. You know, he had a huge game. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter it. Cheches one hundred and fifty seven yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. All the other pass catchers for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: thirteen catches for one hundred yards. Travis Kelce four for
Speaker 1: thirty nine, DeAndre Hopkins two for eighteen and a touchdown.
Speaker 1: There were drops, there were poor throws. Mahomes was constantly
Speaker 1: under pressure. I tweeted early in that game. I mean,
Speaker 1: like first quarter, like this feels a lot like what
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers did to the Chiefs when they beat them
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl several years ago, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has lost two Super Bowls. Tom Brady's been
Speaker 1: in the building for both of them. Three is what
Speaker 1: it is, Los Brady. Wow? Yeah, yeah, So like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's apparently if I'm if I'm Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: I'm the Chiefs. I don't need Tom Brady doing any
Speaker 1: of my games anymore. Stay away. I still.
Speaker 2: Someone said everyone thinks they've devil magic until real devil
Speaker 2: magic shows.
Speaker 1: That is fact.
Speaker 3: Well, Brady was in the building also for two Eagles wins.
Speaker 3: Shout out Nick Foles.
Speaker 2: So low key, I saw like the Patriots when they
Speaker 2: lost to the Eagles, they made it three years in
Speaker 2: a row, like that was just year two. So the
Speaker 2: Eagles have stopped both Brady and Mahomes from having a
Speaker 2: three peet.
Speaker 1: Pretty yeah wow, what reason?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Philly. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1: More reason for Philly fans to starts screaming go birds
Speaker 1: at us all the time, shout key. So we have
Speaker 1: talked about old pal Shawn Kelly. I hope he's alive.
Speaker 1: You know, he looked like a war zone. I hope
Speaker 1: that he survived what happened there in the brotherly love.
Speaker 1: So the Chiefs offense obviously was a story pretty much
Speaker 1: all year. I feel like it's been a story the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. This year they finished as the
Speaker 1: in terms of points scored, the number fifteen offense overall.
Speaker 1: Last year they were the number fifteen offense overall. They
Speaker 1: have just been sort of man. We talked a lot
Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes and at least in fantasy, his lack
Speaker 1: of fantasy production, right, the fact that if you watch him,
Speaker 1: you see that he's still playing well, but the numbers
Speaker 1: just haven't been there. I mean, Florido, it was kind
Speaker 1: of a cliche for years that we always wanted as
Speaker 1: many pieces of a Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid offense as
Speaker 1: we could get our hands on, right, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the reason everybody was so gassed up when they drafted
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy. It was why we loved Clyde Edwards Hilaire,
Speaker 1: even though that never really panned out. Is that no
Speaker 1: longer true? Is it no longer true that we are
Speaker 1: all in on the Chiefs offense as fantasy folk.
Speaker 2: We should stop being all in and pulling them up
Speaker 2: the boards and paying premium prices for the Chiefs playmakers
Speaker 2: and Mahomes as well. But I think I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: very in on this offense next year because it's going
Speaker 2: to be cheaper than ever. Like Patrick Mahomes has been
Speaker 2: a top five quarterback in drafts every year he's been
Speaker 2: since his first year. He's going outside the top five
Speaker 2: this year, I believe. But look at what went wrong
Speaker 2: for their offense. Pacheco got hurt early on and was
Speaker 2: clearly never the same guy when he returned. Xavier Worthy rookie.
Speaker 2: They like to slow play those guys. Rashi Rice looked
Speaker 2: like an absolute elite wide receiver about to break out
Speaker 2: until he got hurt. Markeith Brown's season was pretty much
Speaker 2: over before it started. I think next year, if we're
Speaker 2: talking about them having Worthy, Rashi Rice, and I feel
Speaker 2: like Marquis Brown is coming back there if that ends
Speaker 2: up happening. All of the reasons that we were excited
Speaker 2: about Mahomes and the Chiefs offense getting back to that speed,
Speaker 2: that downfield play capability. That's all gonna be true this year.
Speaker 2: It's just people aren't going to talk about it as
Speaker 2: much because it went so poorly this past season due
Speaker 2: to injuries. But I could see myself easily being very
Speaker 2: bought back in and excited for this Chiefs offense if
Speaker 2: they have this speed and everything around Patrick Mahomes next year.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at this, Lakwan, what what
Speaker 1: needs to be their priority in the offseason. I mean,
Speaker 1: like Oyo mention you Marquise Brown, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be back on with you on that one. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we see you know, Nuke. I think he's
Speaker 1: probably out. I think Juju's probably out. We're waiting to
Speaker 1: see what Travis Kelce decides to do, if he wants
Speaker 1: to come back and play again or if he just
Speaker 1: wants to go be a podcaster and a well kept man,
Speaker 1: which wouldn't be mad at the house that ay man.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it for real, for us to
Speaker 1: get all back in, to push our chips back in
Speaker 1: on the Chiefs offense, what do they need to do.
Speaker 2: Priority has to be to align.
Speaker 3: That's always going to be something I'm pound the table
Speaker 3: for because Mahomes was at a career high of being
Speaker 3: sacked on the ground, like, that's not something that we
Speaker 3: will want to see next season, especially if they're going
Speaker 3: to bring back this speed, bring back Marquis Brown. You
Speaker 3: talk about Xavier Worthy, talk about Rashid Rice. We want
Speaker 3: speed on the perimeter and he needs time to get
Speaker 3: that to develop and be able to build this type
Speaker 3: of offense that we want to buy in. And I
Speaker 3: mean you talk about Xavery Worthy, I mean since week fifteen,
Speaker 3: twenty six percent target share, he had eighty yards per game,
Speaker 3: fifty two targets, forty catches in a seventy seven percent
Speaker 3: catch free This guy came alive because Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 3: that chemistry just started building. And for the analytical folks
Speaker 3: out there are two point five yards per route. So therefore,
Speaker 3: he was very efficient when he was on that field,
Speaker 3: getting the type of opportunity that Mahomes are trying to find.
Speaker 3: But the problem is when you have scraps I use
Speaker 3: this as the most respectably way passing options, there's no
Speaker 3: time for him to look off into that second read
Speaker 3: to depend on another wide receiver, So you have to
Speaker 3: get that old line intact in this draft, off season,
Speaker 3: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's an offense that sort of got
Speaker 1: by right, and the defense played really well. But when
Speaker 1: they ran up on a really good defense, starts to
Speaker 1: looking a little bit funny in light, and you started
Speaker 1: to see the cracks in the armor. The fact that
Speaker 1: the offensive line they shuffled guys around, the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, look, Andre Hopkins, Juju Smith, Schuster are not
Speaker 1: the guys they used to be, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: count on them. You know, Travis Kelcey having one of
Speaker 1: his worst games in the spotlight, and I just that
Speaker 1: generally has not happened. So, I mean, so here we
Speaker 1: are in the offseason and we're talking about the Chiefs
Speaker 1: sort of needing to retool a little bit, and we
Speaker 1: haven't really been at this place in a while. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, the easy conversation has been what does this
Speaker 1: mean for the Chiefs legacy? And I'm like, nothing yet,
Speaker 1: nothing yet, Right. The whole point of legacy is that like,
Speaker 1: after it's all said and done, then you or to decide.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I've said this probably on this show.
Speaker 1: I've seen other people talk about this, like, remember the
Speaker 1: Patriots got three pretty quick, and as somebody's pointed out,
Speaker 1: they're like Tom Brady got three real quick. Then he
Speaker 1: went about ten years before he got another one. So, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just seems a little premature to
Speaker 1: start talking about what this means for the Chief's legacy
Speaker 1: and Mahomes and Andy Reid and whatever. Like. It to
Speaker 1: me is like like if we were watching like you know,
Speaker 1: one of those old VH one behind the Musics and
Speaker 1: like they followed the band and like, hey man, they
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere and hit superstardom and then they
Speaker 1: had an album that flopped and one of their guys
Speaker 1: got hooked on drugs and then they just ended the
Speaker 1: show right there. You're like, what what the hell? Like,
Speaker 1: what's that's what people are doing by doing this legacy talk.
Speaker 1: After the Chiefs lose the Super Bowl, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: but they're not done, Like no, Mahome still has a
Speaker 1: long long time to play, Andy Reid still like, they're
Speaker 1: not done yet.
Speaker 2: I do think it took them out of the running
Speaker 2: for greatest dynasty ever, because it's hard to say You're
Speaker 2: the greatest everyone. You just got your doors absolute. But
Speaker 2: to me, I think what it does with the legacy
Speaker 2: thing is people were propping Mahomes up ahead of Brady
Speaker 2: prematurely in my opinion, and people online were like, look
Speaker 2: at this Bills fan defending Tom Brady, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: but it's just because he is the best. He has
Speaker 2: more rings than any franchise in the NFL. Like all
Speaker 2: of your the Lebron versus Jordan arguments, they all kind
Speaker 2: of applied to Tom Brady. He's got all the records,
Speaker 2: he's got all the rings, the winning, the longevity, all
Speaker 2: of that MVPs. Mahomes can still catch him, but I
Speaker 2: think this lot like if he wins, it's very I
Speaker 2: think in the grasp, this loss really sets him back
Speaker 2: a bit. And I think Mahomes is at this weird
Speaker 2: stretch in his career where he's already the second greatest
Speaker 2: quarterback in my opinion, to ever play the game, but
Speaker 2: it's he's probably a full decade away from being able,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, to do to catch Time Brady, So
Speaker 2: like it has to be weird, be like, I'm the
Speaker 2: second best ever and there's nothing I could do in
Speaker 2: this upcoming season to get to get me to be
Speaker 2: the first best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously there's a there's a gap there, right,
Speaker 1: And I say, this is somebody who look, I held
Speaker 1: onto the Joe Montana is the greatest for a really
Speaker 1: really long time. And eventually I had to kind of
Speaker 1: let it go. You know, I got admitted it was
Speaker 1: it was nostalgia, right, it was childhood that was that
Speaker 1: was the quarterback I grew up with, right, So like
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to let go of that,
Speaker 1: and eventually I had to sort of let go of that.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess Kurt the Owner was mine, our fellow colleague,
Speaker 3: the best ever to me.
Speaker 1: Kurt was great. Like I'm you know, definitely not not
Speaker 1: get Kurt. Kurt was was for sure great. I guess
Speaker 1: this is just a long way with me saying like,
Speaker 1: hey man, like we don't really have to talk about
Speaker 1: legacy yet everybody like we can. It's okay to wait.
Speaker 1: I know we have you know, I know, the the
Speaker 1: the content machine is calling us and it continually grinds
Speaker 1: us into dust and then we have to somehow continue
Speaker 1: to fill space in the void that we call the Internet.
Speaker 1: But we do to talk about that. We can't find
Speaker 1: a million other things to talk about, like what does
Speaker 1: Drake do? Now, We're gonna come back and talk about
Speaker 1: that the rest of the Super Bowl after the break
Speaker 1: here on the NFL Fantasy Football Show. All right, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the game that happened. Obviously, the Super bowls about a
Speaker 1: lot more than just football. It is a cultural touchstone
Speaker 1: every year. I know it's becoming an unofficial American holiday.
Speaker 1: I had to kind of check myself because, you know,
Speaker 1: the game ended, it was a little after seven o'clock
Speaker 1: Pacific time, and then I realized that, Yeah, for a
Speaker 1: good section of the country, it's late, and you figure
Speaker 1: Eagles fans were out probably until the sun came up,
Speaker 1: celebrating the will. I did see that. I think they
Speaker 1: pushed the start time of school back on Monday, like
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, knowing that it was gonna.
Speaker 2: Get wild West Coast best sports, like best NFL time
Speaker 2: for year round. I do think Super Bowl, though, starting
Speaker 2: it in the middle of the day, it feels little
Speaker 2: anti climatic to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it starts at three thirty out here, which
Speaker 1: is sort of a weird I.
Speaker 2: Love that, love that I don't know. I kind of
Speaker 2: like when it goes late, dude.
Speaker 3: The sun was still shining, the weather was great. We're
Speaker 3: watching the super Bowl. And one of my first super.
Speaker 2: Bowls out here, I went by by you, Marcus, and
Speaker 2: the game ended and I was driving home and it
Speaker 2: was light out, and I was like, what do I
Speaker 2: do now? Like Sunday is the full day.
Speaker 1: Like again, this is why it never really hit to
Speaker 1: me that the Monday after Super Bowl should be a holiday.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why the game ends in like seven, like
Speaker 1: I can get myself ready and be responsible the next day.
Speaker 1: And it was like, oh, yeah, there's another part of
Speaker 1: the country that it's late. You know why, because that
Speaker 1: part of the country doesn't really they don't care about
Speaker 1: us for like we get take delayed on like everything right.
Speaker 1: We don't get anything live out here. Everything is set
Speaker 1: up at Easter time. We couldn't watch NFL Honors live
Speaker 1: right like, and so like, you know what, if we
Speaker 1: get a little bit of get back, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: feel bad about it out here, I have spoken. Obviously,
Speaker 1: A big part of the Super Bowl was the halftime show.
Speaker 1: I think, just as anticipated as Chiefs and Eagles. A
Speaker 1: large section of the country was very curious about what
Speaker 1: was Kindrick going to do? Was he going to play
Speaker 1: the song? When would he play the song? How would
Speaker 1: how would things play out? I mean some when I
Speaker 1: asked you all started with you lakwan your your overall
Speaker 1: thoughts first on Kendrick's performance.
Speaker 3: Master Piece, Like, I just love the subliminal messages in there.
Speaker 3: I love the little easter eggs in there. I love
Speaker 3: that he teased it in the performance because I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's about to do it, and then he doesn't do it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, please, don't like that.
Speaker 3: And then you hear it again, it like, oh please
Speaker 3: don't it. Let's That was just my exact reaction from
Speaker 3: the whole performance, and I was just a happy camper.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on it, Florida, I kind of echo that
Speaker 2: I thought it was was really great. I thought, uh, like,
Speaker 2: when he first hit the snippet of it, Nicolette was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: He's not gonna play and I'm like, no, there's no way,
Speaker 2: and that's all. He knows what the people want. But
Speaker 2: what I thought was even cooler. And I know some
Speaker 2: people had problems with this. I thought it was a
Speaker 2: flex of his to be like, I'm not gonna play
Speaker 2: my old hits because I played those at the super
Speaker 2: Bowl three years ago, So now you're going to get
Speaker 2: all my new music. And I love his new music
Speaker 2: just as much as old stuff, so like I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Bigger surprise to me than not like Us was that
Speaker 2: we got euphoria, Like I.
Speaker 1: Could not believe that. Ye yeah, I mean everything was.
Speaker 1: Everything was fairly new. The only thing you got those
Speaker 1: a little bit older is when he did Humble, he
Speaker 1: did DNA, he did all the Stars from the Black
Speaker 1: Panther soundtrack, and that that was a given. Once he
Speaker 1: announced that Sissa was going to be performing with him,
Speaker 1: You're okay, he's going to do that. I was a
Speaker 1: little bit surprised he didn't do Alright, And maybe it's
Speaker 1: because he did do it at the super Bowl several
Speaker 1: years ago. It just felt like with the themes and
Speaker 1: the messages he was putting out, like Alright seemed like
Speaker 1: the perfect song to play. But again, he was obviously
Speaker 1: not not doing repeats. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: were surprised that he didn't do anything off of like
Speaker 1: Good Kid, Mad City, and I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: album's like thirteen years old, like it's that album is
Speaker 1: for us who've been listening to Kendrick for a long time,
Speaker 1: who were real like, you know, who are Kendrick fancy
Speaker 1: Section eighty right, I mean it's great stuff. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's very old, and I don't know that any of
Speaker 1: it necessarily fits in the show. Well that song would
Speaker 1: have fit for Drake. That's perfect for Drake. So that's
Speaker 1: the next thing though. That's the It was like one
Speaker 1: is it over? Is it done now? I mean, I
Speaker 1: know at the end of the show he had the
Speaker 1: game over the light set said game over, which sort
Speaker 1: of signals that, Okay, I'm I'm washing my hands with this.
Speaker 1: I'm done. But I mean, if you're Drake, he had
Speaker 1: two of your ex's out there celebrating with him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had Scissor singing. Think about that, and he had
Speaker 1: Serena Williams Sea walking on stage while he accuses you
Speaker 1: of criminal behavior.
Speaker 2: Of the worst kind, of the worst kind.
Speaker 1: Like I thought about it. I mean, because I also
Speaker 1: know that Look, he's said, Kendrick's going to have a
Speaker 1: tour with Sizza. They're gonna you know, they're gonna travel
Speaker 1: the country. You know that song's gonna get played. Like,
Speaker 1: at some point, if you're Drake, do you have to
Speaker 1: I don't know if you lob off a phone call
Speaker 1: personally or you just put out a video where you
Speaker 1: just say, hey man, I'm sorry, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: just something right because of this. I mean he kind
Speaker 1: of did. But at some point it's like, dude, like
Speaker 1: you gotta stand up and just like call off the
Speaker 1: dogs man, like I I yield. I said, I'm tapping out.
Speaker 1: I'm tapping out.
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember there There was like a week
Speaker 2: or two. It was like two weeks in May after
Speaker 2: Drake first drop push ups, which everyone thought was like
Speaker 2: AI and stuff.
Speaker 6: And then everyone was like, oh no. Kendrick responses and
Speaker 6: he was like, come on, you're dropping. You're gonna he brought.
Speaker 6: He wished for this and he got what he wanted.
Speaker 6: He never thought it would be this bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also I also was, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I rewatched it again this morning and somewhere I just
Speaker 1: thought about j Cole riding his bike and piece, yeah,
Speaker 1: just swiping sat I mean he's like sitting on his
Speaker 1: porch like Thanos, right, just sitting there like peaceful with
Speaker 1: a little bit of a smile on his face, like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I stepped out and got away from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Do you remember last week? I was like,
Speaker 2: he's gonna play not like us, but he's not gonna
Speaker 2: sing the lyrics. Right. He looked right into that camera
Speaker 2: with a smile.
Speaker 3: Say Drake, Yeah, no mess with the quiet kids people.
Speaker 2: That is the message. Also the he's five foot five, Like,
Speaker 2: it's so funny seeing him with all the security guards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing for sure. Any any early predictions for
Speaker 1: who performs at Super Bowl sixty in Santa Clara next year.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people say Metallica because they're
Speaker 2: from that area. I look, it's sixty, you know. You know,
Speaker 2: companies like to do big things, whether it's a round number.
Speaker 2: I think jay Z if it's now or never.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just think they still want to go a
Speaker 1: little bit younger. They be trying to skew a little
Speaker 1: bit younger, a little bit more you know, of the
Speaker 1: moment sort of relevant. Like I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: get Taylor Swift. I just don't think she's ever gonna
Speaker 1: left then, you know. So here's one and post Malone
Speaker 1: post post Malone's taking. I like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: there's one. I'm struggling right now to come up with
Speaker 1: like one person that you can just say like bang,
Speaker 1: and then that's gonna do it, right, Like you get
Speaker 1: post Malone and you and he brings out a couple
Speaker 1: of guests right, you know, like because you've already had
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, Like you know, I don't think you go
Speaker 1: back to that. I mean, I don't know if Sabrina
Speaker 1: Carpenter is big enough just yet. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish is big enough just yet. I don't think
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish showould be kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I think you can follow up Kendrick with because they're
Speaker 2: just gonna not be as big. Yeah, and I know
Speaker 2: Drake is going through it right now, but he still.
Speaker 1: Is very big. But I don't have to have a
Speaker 1: major image rehabilitation.
Speaker 3: Hates America right now. I seeople are really looking at
Speaker 3: it from the right lens, Like.
Speaker 1: I did see someone say that relations between the US
Speaker 1: and Canada are probably at an all time low right now.
Speaker 1: With that, when you have eighty thousand people at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl screaming a minor, it's just not gonna do
Speaker 1: well for relations with our neighbors to the north news
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I have a friend who is the biggest Drake fan
Speaker 2: that I know, and yesterday he was like, all right,
Speaker 2: but Kendrick and that song are going to fade into
Speaker 2: oblivion now. And I'm like, dude, you've been saying this
Speaker 2: since June. Well it just keeps getting worse.
Speaker 1: This is like the you know, Lebron is thirty. Thank goodness,
Speaker 1: this efferee is not going to go on much longer.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what that.
Speaker 2: Istill he's fifty. I mean, I mean, you watched the
Speaker 2: guy play right now. He's rejuvenated.
Speaker 1: He will outlive He's gonna outlive Brownny in the NBA.
Speaker 1: In the NBA, he is he might. I'll give you
Speaker 1: one more potential Bad Bunny as a superl.
Speaker 2: The world would love that.
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny Bad Bunny Cane all halftime. That's yes, that's
Speaker 1: my that's my way, too early flag plan Bad Bunny
Speaker 1: for Super Bowl sixty halftime like that, Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't know if he can do a bay Are artist,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I would love e forty but forty
Speaker 1: that would it would be so much fun. He might
Speaker 1: be drunk. It'll be hilarious. Folks from the Bay would
Speaker 1: love it have Marshawn out there dancing on stage, like,
Speaker 1: folks from the Bay would go berserk for it. I
Speaker 1: don't know that it's necessarily Super Bowl halftime.
Speaker 2: I've seen a big movement of like country singers like
Speaker 2: get a country star.
Speaker 1: On there, and I'm like, which is sort of why
Speaker 1: I said post Malone because he can sort of cross
Speaker 1: over because you know, he's done some country stuff, he's
Speaker 1: got his pop stuff, he's got a little bit of
Speaker 1: hip hop stuff, like post Malone has a catalog that
Speaker 1: could sort of I think satisfy a little bit of everybody.
Speaker 3: First song, why iverson, Let's go, Let's get action, Bronson
Speaker 3: on There'll be Nonsense for thirteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we need actually know Bronson on Blue Sky.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Any commercials jump out to you, guys,
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 3: They was sort of yeah for the most part, it
Speaker 3: kind of an for me, at least for the last
Speaker 3: couple of years. Like I don't think it hits the
Speaker 3: same anymore for me, Like you get the Dorito's you
Speaker 3: know commercial, like, oh that was that was cool, but
Speaker 3: it was nothing that I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: My god, I have to rewatch this, you know. No,
Speaker 2: no Budweiser one where I'm like, oh, that was really touching. Like, no,
Speaker 2: I also hate this new trend of commercials leading up
Speaker 2: to Super Bowl, like this is what we're planning and no,
Speaker 2: stop that.
Speaker 1: I don't need a teaser trailer for a commercial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: The Snoop and Tom Brady one was really awkward for.
Speaker 1: That was very awkward. Yeah, I just like the the
Speaker 1: dunk Kings, the Afflecks, the afflic Brothers is just I
Speaker 1: just felt like they were yelling at me and I
Speaker 1: don't really understand what was happening.
Speaker 2: Commercials used to want to be funny and like memorable.
Speaker 2: Now I felt like they're all trying to bring a message,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's that's not what a super Bowl commercial.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I'm probably not gonna buy your product anyway.
Speaker 1: At least make me laugh for a couple of semes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's that's right. A good spot
Speaker 1: for us to pause on this one. We're still getting
Speaker 1: into rankings soon. Fellas figured to start doing some way
Speaker 1: too early rankings, so we can regroup and start doing
Speaker 1: that on Thursday show. I know a lot of folks
Speaker 1: are turning their attention to combine the combines in two weeks, fellas,
Speaker 1: you know, just enough time to catch your breath and
Speaker 1: then get ready until draft and then get ready for
Speaker 1: dudes and spandex running inside a stadium, untouched.
Speaker 2: And overhyping ADPs.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll start with some rankings, just general positional
Speaker 1: rankings coming up on Thursday, and then start turning our
Speaker 1: attention towards the combine and draft season. We get some
Speaker 1: mock drafts in here as well. I try to do
Speaker 1: some mock drafts maybe once a month as well, so
Speaker 1: we can kind of figure out how things are shaping
Speaker 1: up ADP wise and that sort of thing. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and
Speaker 1: live well. Enjoy the start of the off season. Everybody.
Speaker 1: We would talk to you again on Thursday.
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