1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: This is the primal scream of a dying regime. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: these people. You've not got a free shot. All these 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: networks lying about the people, the people have had a 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: I know you've tried to do everything in the world 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: It's going to happen. 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 3: And where do people like that go to share the 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: big line? Mega media? 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 4: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 4: these people had a conscience. 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: If that answer is to save my country, this country 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: will be saved. 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: Or here's your host, Stephen k Ban. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 5: Everyone. 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 6: I want to talk about our new effort, Meta Superintelligence 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 6: Labs and our vision to build personal super intelligence for everyone. 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: In the future. 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 7: So now we're starting to look ahead to super intelligence, 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 7: and even more than before, our focus must be on 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 7: wide and fair access. 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 8: What happens when every single one of us has the 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 8: equivalent of the smartest human on every problem in our pocket. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 8: In the next year or two, this foundation is being 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 8: locked in and it's not. We're not going to stop. 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 8: It gets much more interesting after that because remember, the 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 8: computers are now doing self improvement, they're learning how to plan, 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 8: and they don't have to listen to us anymore. We 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 8: call that super intelligence or ASI artificial superintelligence, and this 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 8: is the theory that there will be computers that are 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 8: smarter than the sum of humans. The San Francisco Convinced 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 8: censuses this occurs within six years. 35 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 7: I think that we might have AI smaller than any 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 7: single human at anything as. 37 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: Soon as next year. 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: Wow. 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, and then and then probably within five, say, twenty 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 9: thirty probably, and AI is smaller than the sub ward humans. 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: Joe Allen, you join us Max Tech. Mark joins us 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: from MIT, the Institute of Life Max today to kind 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: of put this in perspective. We put out a statement 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: that you've been working on and really kind of organizing 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: people behind the scenes to get in front of this 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 2: because it's clearly spinning out of control. What is Tell 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: me what the statement is. It's in every paper, it's 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: the lead story in made of the papers throughout the world. 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: What are you actually trying to What does the statement 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: say and what are you trying to accomplish? 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 4: What we're trying to accomplish is for it to become 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 4: just socially unacceptable to say the kind of stuff that 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 4: we just heard these tech oligarchs say moments ago here. Yeah, 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: we're going to build super intelligence and we have no 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 4: idea how to control it, and it's going to be 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: so cool. Please invest in us, you know, it's absolutely insane. 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: Statement simply says that it should be there should be 58 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 4: a prohibition against building this stuff, at least until there's 59 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 4: a broad scientific consensus that this can be controlled and safe, 60 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: and also until Americans actually want it. Then we released 61 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 4: a poll today also showing it actually less than five 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 4: percent of all Americans want to raise the superintelligence, less 63 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 4: than one and twenty. And yet we have these fringe 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 4: people in Silicon Valley are all about transhumanism and merging 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: with machines and stuff, shoving it down our throats undemocratically. 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: What okay, they're fringe, except they've got all the money. 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: They have stocks, every every every stock jockey, every stock 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: jobber on Wall Street. You mentioned artificial tell, artificial general intelligence. 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: They're throwing money at them. They're the ones that have 70 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: all the platforms. Everybody talks to you got the four 71 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: horsemen of the apostocalypse, and maybe Anthropic is the one 72 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: that's got some rationality here, but the rest of them 73 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: to get all the media, and you've got and you've 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: got David Sachs with the pomp poms on, you know, 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: coming in and out of the White House all the time, 76 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: saying how it's all you've got to be an If 77 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: you're not an accelerationist, you're surrendering the Chinese Commedists Party. 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: And I just said in the previous thing, don't tell 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: me about the Chinese Commists Party. I've forgotten more about 80 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: them than all those guys combined, except for Elon Musk, 81 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: who is an agent of influence for the Chinese commiss Party, 82 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: I might add the and he's sitting there saying it's 83 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: twenty percent chance that AGI can destroy mankind. How do 84 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: you combat when the system has promoted the fringe and 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: made the fringe look like they're actually the normalized, that 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: they're actually the most radical. Thinking about a technology that 87 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: you can't unwind, you can't put the horse back in 88 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: the barn, you will hit an inflection point in mankind's 89 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: development that will never be able to be reversed. How 90 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: do you combat it when the fringe is actually driving 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: it through a combination of greed, avarice and just outright 92 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: naked wanting of power. 93 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 4: Sir, well, you Steve are the expert in this right, 94 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: and as you like to say, you've got to call 95 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 4: out their lives because we, the American people, at least 96 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: ninety of us, right want to stop this madness. 97 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: And the first lie is this. 98 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 4: Very sneaky slate of hand where people say, yeah, look, 99 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: don't you want tools the concure cancer? Don't you want 100 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: the productivity tools? Don't you want America to be strong 101 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 4: and economically dominant with AI tools? And everybody goes like yes, yes, yes, 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: And then there's the fine print that they're not going 103 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: to give you just tools. They also want to give 104 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: you this transhumanist craziness where you're supposed to merge with 105 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 4: the machines and we're supposed to build. These atheists are 106 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 4: building their digital god. They were all supposed to worship 107 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: their comms. Teams have told them not to talk about 108 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 4: that so loudly. But if you go back, I was 109 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 4: just going back and reading a blog post before the 110 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 4: show here by Sam Altman that he wrote before his 111 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: comms team told him to tone it down, and he 112 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: was writing about how he thinks there are only two 113 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 4: options for humanity after he builds superintelligence. One is we 114 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: fade into an evolutionary tree branch, that's his quote, or 115 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 4: he thinks, which is what he thinks is the better option, 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: we merged with the machines. You know, this is my 117 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: two year old son. Who is he to tell my 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 4: son that he needs to go merge with machines. What's 119 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: that got to do with American values in American democracy? 120 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: You know, in short, there are many threats to America, 121 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: and you talked a lot now about you've taught, you've 122 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: talked about, for example, about your political threats, but there 123 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: is a huge threat coming from San Francisco as well, 124 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: and we can't ignore that. And in fact, they try 125 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: to make his only focus on external threats, so we 126 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: shouldn't pay attention to them. 127 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: I want to make sure people understand that they're real 128 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: thinking and what they're talking about behind the scenes, because 129 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: they have toned it down. Their pr experts have said, hey, 130 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: you've got to tone this down or you're going to 131 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: heighten people's awareness of this. Give me that again. What 132 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: Altman wrote particularly about we either fade into an evolutionary 133 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: tree branch or we merge. Give me that again one 134 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: more time, because that's his real thinking. 135 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just google it. 136 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: Search for Altman the merge and it comes right up, 137 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: and he thinks, basically, this is the this is the 138 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 4: hopeful future. He sees that we merge with machines and uh, 139 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: where's the off the up button? 140 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: Where no thanks? 141 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 4: And you know, many people were shocked that this statement 142 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: today got such incredibly broad support from all across the 143 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: political spectrum. And what those who were surprised by that 144 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: didn't realize that. 145 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: It's obvious why. 146 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 4: Because all of these people across the spectrum are humans, 147 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: and they want the human future where machines are tools 148 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: and work for us. They don't want to merge with machines, 149 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 4: and they certainly don't want their kids to merge with machines. 150 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: They want these companies to be held accountable for their 151 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: trans craziness. 152 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 6: This max the agenda to create general and then super intelligence. 153 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 6: One of the reasons you get such a broad rejection 154 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 6: of the idea, let alone the investment and the resources 155 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 6: poured into it, is because Christians see that these are 156 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 6: people who are trying to create a digital god in 157 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 6: the absence of what they believe. They believe that there 158 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 6: is no God, therefore it must be created. Christians, of course, 159 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 6: are going to reject that. Religious people across the board 160 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 6: are going to reject that. 161 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: But I don't think we get I think we get 162 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: a couple of three Hindus Muslim. I think anybody of 163 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: a religious bent is gonna is going to reject that. 164 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's the another counterintuitive angle on that. Though 165 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 6: even atheists, dogged atheists are against it. Mainly, you know, 166 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 6: they see the struggle for removing religion as a centuries 167 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 6: long process. 168 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 5: To create a digital god would just undo all of that. 169 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 6: So there's really only one small subset of people who 170 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 6: benefit from the creation of general or superintelligence. That's going 171 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 6: to be the tech oligarchs. As I've said many times, 172 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 6: if anyone says they are going to bring about a 173 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 6: radical change in your life, you have to ask for 174 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 6: whose benefit. And you know the Altman statement, you know, 175 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 6: Max and I we're texting about this earlier, and the 176 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 6: full statement is worth pondering. This is Sam Altman in 177 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 6: his blog post The Merge. We will be the first 178 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 6: species ever, to design our own descendants. My guess is 179 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 6: that we can either be the biological bootloader for digital intelligence, 180 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 6: meaning that humans are useless afterwards and then fade into 181 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 6: an evolutionary tree branch, or we can figure out what 182 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 6: a successful merge looks like. And it's worth noting that 183 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 6: Altman about two months ago began investing in a brain 184 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 6: computer interface company for implanted brain chips, of course, called 185 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 6: the Merge. 186 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: So Max to final on from this on what Altman 187 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: really thinks and what these oligarchs really think. The statement 188 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: is broken down of two pieces. One is the scientific 189 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: community and technology community. The other is the American people. 190 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: The first one, a lot of the American people are 191 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 2: sent there were Hey, Max, uh, aren't the scientists and 192 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: the technologist aren't they already on board with the oligarchs 193 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: and working on various parts of this project that they've 194 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: they've bought in? So what do you mean a consensus 195 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: among the scientists in the your first block already checked 196 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: off in their in their in their corner, sir. 197 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: That's also a misconception that the tech companies love to perpetuate. 198 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 4: The first two signatories on the letters saying no to 199 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: this nonsense. Are actually the two most cited scientists in 200 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 4: the world. They're like Einstein and the Oppenheimer of our time, 201 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: all categories. It's Jeff Hinton and Yosha Benjo who really 202 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 4: helped pioneer this technology, and both of them are having 203 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: this Oppenheimer moment now where they're. 204 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: Like, holy smokes, what have we done? This is this 205 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: is crazy. 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: No, the vast majority of scientists believe that we have 207 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: no clue how we would control something much smarter than us, 208 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: and many think of it as basically inviting aliens, technological 209 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 4: superior aliens just come to Earth and take over and 210 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: see what happens, which obviously would count as high treason 211 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: by any reasonable standards. 212 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: What what about the argument that, hey, you guys are 213 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: just a various assortment of Luodyites, and like the luod Heites, 214 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: you're standing in the way of just the natural evolution 215 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: of scientific and technological project a process, a project, you know, progress, 216 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: and like the luod Heites, you will be kicked into 217 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: the dustbin of history. 218 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: Sir, Yeah, absolutely, Calling Jeff Hinton then Yosha Benjo Luddites 219 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 4: makes just as much sense as calling Einstein and Oppenheimer ludytes. 220 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: You know, what did they know about physics? Right? 221 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: They said that nuclear weapons can be back for your health? 222 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: What do they know of we who call them bloodyites? 223 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 4: We know was so much better? 224 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: Perfect, hangar for one second. I'm gonna hold you through break. 225 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: Joe Allen's going to be here. Also, doctor Thayer, an 226 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: expert in the Chinese Commantist Party and their advances and technology. 227 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: Just remember how the CCP things down range back and 228 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: I think it was twenty fourteen or fifteen they put 229 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: up made in China twenty twenty five. They don't talk 230 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: about that anymore because they realized they started to getting 231 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: bad press, particularly led by the show. What were the 232 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: ten industries they wanted to dominate? They made a whole 233 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: of government, whole of society to dominate. The first was 234 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence. The second was robotics 235 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: and regenitive robotics, and third was advanced chip designed. The 236 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: fourth was quantum computing. And then then to throw in 237 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: the fifth, you had Crisper in biotechnology. The merger of 238 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: those folks, as we've talked in the show many many times, 239 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: is the singularity. So when she and Putin are wandering 240 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: around and to get the off camera microphone, which never 241 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: happens in the CCP. And they're talking about living forever 242 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: and right now they can push a buck twenty five. 243 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: There's some very dangerous things going on right behind the curtain. 244 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: And you've got to understand the oligarch's thinking. This about avarice, 245 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: this about greed. This is about power, nothing else, not 246 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: for the good of the country, not some altruistic and 247 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: there's certainly not a fight against the Chinese Commist Party. 248 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: They're using that as a democles a sword over our head. Right, 249 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: these guys are all in business with the Chinese Commanist Party. 250 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: Short commercial break, Max Tegmark a monumental day with the 251 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: fight against artificial general intelligence. 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Most people conceive of superintelligence 271 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 6: as being the next step after general intelligence, general intelligence 272 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 6: being able to understand its own system and to rewrite 273 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 6: its own code until you hit an intelligence explosion. 274 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: I just want. 275 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 6: To turn the audience's attention to a recent paper put 276 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 6: out by Dan Hendricks at all at the Center for 277 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 6: AI Safety on a definition of artificial general intelligence, without 278 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 6: going into the maze of linguistic traps around general intelligence. 279 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 6: Just basically, what we're talking about is instead of having 280 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 6: a narrow AI like chat GPT or like clearview AI 281 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 6: facial recognition or whatever, you're talking about a system that 282 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 6: is flexible, able to go across domains. Again, people are like, well, 283 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 6: that doesn't exist. Why is that a problem? Why should 284 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 6: you mobilize any political will to mitigate that? 285 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 5: Or superintelligence. 286 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 6: If they're just dreams, what the Center for AI Safety 287 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 6: and other companies like that do. Organizations like that, they 288 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 6: evaluate these systems systematically to see what their capabilities actually 289 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 6: are and what they found with GPT, for instance, GPT 290 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 6: five versus for even if it wasn't the huge media 291 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 6: splash and sensation that people would have thought, it would 292 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 6: be the increases in the system's ability to read and write, 293 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 6: to perform mathematical calculations, to reason, its working memory. It's 294 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 6: visual recognition, it's auditory recognition. All of those have expanded, 295 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 6: some of them dramatically. The point I'm making is, yes, 296 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 6: AGI is at present just a dream and artificial superintelligent dream. 297 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: It's an objective that they're moving towards. It's more than 298 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: a dream. It's more than a dream. It's a vision. 299 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: But they have a target and they're moving to that target, 300 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: and everything they're doing that target, everything they're doing is 301 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: a dream. Is like you and I are sitting around, sure, 302 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: and I've got a dream of human freedom, right, But 303 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: this is much more than that. It's not a dream 304 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: at all. It's a active program of which they're pushing to. 305 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: This is why they go out of the way so 306 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: much to try to cover exactly what they're doing. Right, 307 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: If this is a dream that there's sitting around cafes 308 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: and you know, wearing berets and thinking great thoughts, this 309 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: is beyond the great thoughts thing. This is the active 310 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: program of moving to converge on this. This is why 311 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 2: it's so dangerous. And there's certain there's certain mile posts 312 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: along the way that if you don't stop it now, 313 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 2: once you get to the milepost, you can't. You cannot 314 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: reverse where we're doing. Look, I've got huge problems just 315 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: AI overall. We've talked yesterday about AI psychosis, that the 316 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: Hally's going to be on here. Senator Hally's going to 317 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: be in here in a while, the hearing he had 318 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: with the parents of the kids committing suicide because they're 319 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: talking to AI right now. I have promised that. But 320 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: this is more than a dream. Makes it seem like 321 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: it's some you know, ephemeral thing. This is out there? 322 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: Am I not correct it? 323 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 5: Well, then if we just go with vision. 324 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 6: The difference between this and many other technological visions is 325 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 6: that this is a vision that is materializing. Yes, and 326 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 6: there's objective data to show that this is a vision. 327 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 6: This is materializing my point, Max, you're in the heart. 328 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 6: I mean, can you even go on campus anymore? 329 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: You're at MIT kind of the one of that in 330 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: Stanford are kind of the railheads of this. So there's 331 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: many other obviously everybody's in the AI now, but I 332 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: mean the railhead is the great Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 333 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: our greatest engineering school, coupled with Stanford. Can you even 334 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: go on campus right now? So this this is embedded 335 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: and everybody's thinking, oh yeah. 336 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 4: Most people in private are terrified about this, are very concerned. 337 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: They just don't want to say it publicly to not 338 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: lose funding. And I'm so grateful to you Joe for 339 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: bringing up our paper because there was a co author 340 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 4: on it. You know, we found that last year we 341 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: have where twenty seven percent of the way there artificial 342 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 4: general intelligence. This year we're at fifty eight percent of 343 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: the way there. So we're not there yet, we're getting 344 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: closer fast. 345 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: Well, hold it, hang on. This is my point. This 346 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: is not this is not a dream. This is something 347 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: that we're going down past milepost every day. At fifty 348 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: eight percent, it's almost like, hey, can you turn it around? 349 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that's why your heroic effort behind the scenes. 350 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: And you should know that Max, particularly with the this 351 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: is the broadest range because people know I'm not I 352 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: don't sign these kinds. I get this stuff every day 353 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: in politics and sign this. I don't do that. This 354 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: was important enough, and particularly the various elements were disparate enough, 355 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: and Max and people that I really admire putting so 356 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: much work into this to try to move this forward 357 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: and actually have a group of prominent people, particularly in 358 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: the science and technology community, to kind of formally go 359 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: on and say, hey, we're putting you on notice that 360 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: this can't stop. What is the next steps for you? Max, 361 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: and actually making sure that we can make this a thing, 362 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: as I call it. 363 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: So the first step is for people to understand that 364 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: this is not a statement saying stop AI. That would 365 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: be as weird as saying we were against cars or whatever. 366 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: We we want tools that can cure cancer, they can 367 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 4: do all sorts of wonderful things and make America strong. 368 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 4: And there's nothing in this letter saying anything about not 369 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 4: building AI tools but superintelligence. 370 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: As Joe Allen nicely explained, there is not a tool. 371 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 4: We have no clue how to control something like that 372 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: it's like trying to control vastly smarter than human aliens. 373 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 4: We published a paper me and my MITAI students recently 374 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 4: showing that the most popular strategy for trying to control 375 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 4: it just doesn't work. 376 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: Right. 377 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: So what we simply need is for Donald Trump and 378 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: others in our government to stand up and say, look, 379 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: we are only going to allow companies to make things 380 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: that they can demonstrate our tools. That's just like saying 381 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 4: that pharma companies can't sell medicines unless they can demonstrate 382 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 4: that they're going to do more good than harm. You know, 383 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: we treat every single other industry this way. But ironically, 384 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: the AI companies have been so good at lobbying that 385 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 4: they have this corporate welfare cutout where they are the 386 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: only companies in America. We can just release stuff legally, 387 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: even super intelligence tomorrow, you know, without having to have 388 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 4: demonstrate any safety properties of what they do. So just 389 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 4: treating AI companies like we treat all other companies will 390 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 4: already solve this problem. Then we'll see an age of 391 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: abundance where we continue seeing great technical innovations to make 392 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 4: America strong and prosperous and healthy with tools and the 393 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 4: superintelligence madness will come to a screeching halt because no 394 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 4: company is going to be able to demonstrate that this 395 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 4: is a tool. 396 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: Are you concerned. I've got an action plan of confronting 397 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: the Chinese Commist part because what they throw back on 398 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: you right away is that, hey, we had a Sputnik moment. 399 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: This is a race for AGI in superintelligence, and it's 400 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: essentially an arms race. That Chinese Commanist Party is very 401 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: advanced and we can't stop it. I call out that 402 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: lie because they use that all the time on everything 403 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: with the Chinese Communist Party, right that. And it's very 404 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: not easy, but it's doable to decouple technologically and financially 405 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: from this effort. Let's not say the whole decompany. You 406 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: can finance, you can do it from this effort. Your 407 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: thoughts on that, because we have to deal with a 408 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: murderous dictatorship that would have got if they got their 409 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 2: hands on this, on this, on this technology, right, they wouldn't. 410 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: They wouldn't. They would use it on their own people, 411 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: and they would use it throughout the world. 412 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Yeah, I put my thumb up there because 413 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: you're so right that the oligarchs in San Francisco keep 414 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 4: using China as an excuse for why they should get 415 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 4: to do whatever they want without accountability. The truth of 416 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 4: the race, this race is that there are two races, 417 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 4: of course, right there is a race for dominance, economic 418 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 4: and military. And the way to race that race is 419 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 4: with two tools. You don't win a race by losing 420 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: control over your own tech right and destroying your own country. 421 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: And so this is going to continue this race to 422 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 4: build more powerful AI tools. But in the meantime, I 423 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: think both the US and China, well, if we can 424 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: get if we can perforate, the lies, are gonna stop 425 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: pushing for superintelligence. It's it won't come as any surprise 426 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 4: to use Steve if I say that. I think that 427 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: the Chinese Communist Party is really into control. So the 428 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 4: last thing they're going to tolerate is some Chinese tech 429 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: company Deep Seek or anyone else building something that building 430 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: some superintelligence that they will lose control over and that 431 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: will overthrow the Chinese Communist Party and the rest of Earth. 432 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 3: Right, They're not gonna allow that. 433 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: And I think when we have not sec people in 434 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: the US who increasingly needs start to realize also that 435 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: this is a national security threat. To the US government. 436 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: Then neither company is neither of these countries are going 437 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: to race the superintelligence anymore, but they will continue to 438 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: race the AI tools for strengthen their economies and their militaries. 439 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a belt and suspenders guy. We got to 440 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: cut up. I hear you in an irrational world. But 441 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: oftentimes the CCP and particularly she and these guys are 442 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: not particularly rational. See some of the efforts are taken 443 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: against us. But I hear you. But that's what we 444 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: got to do too. Number one, we need to stop 445 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: they only exist as a technological threat to United States 446 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: because of the money and the technology and the training 447 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: we give the Chinese camera Sparry full stop Max. Where 448 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: do people go to learn more about this? Where they 449 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: go more to learn more about our efforts going forward, Sir. 450 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: Anyone who shares our concern in here with what these 451 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 4: tech companies are doing can go to Superintelligence hyphen Statement 452 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: dot org dot com, super Intelligence yphen Statement dot org 453 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 4: and join as a signatory because if we what we 454 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 4: want to do first to the show of the world 455 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: that this is not something we Mackens want. 456 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: Great efforts so far, it's one of the top stories 457 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: on every paper in the country and the world. Thank you, sir, 458 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: look forward to having me back on here. Max. 459 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 460 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 2: Thank you. Brother. Short commercial break, I got theayer. Brandon 461 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: Wikert's going to join me, Joellen. It's going to stick 462 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: around technology. The Chinese Communist Party in the United States government, 463 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: how about that? How is it like to as a thing? 464 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: Pretty broad? Take down the CCP. Let's de couple from them. 465 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 11: Short break, you use your host, Stephen K. 466 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: Bath. 467 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring Brandon Record into the conversation. Brandon. The 468 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: book he wrote on space is how many years Old? 469 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: Came out during Trump's first term, right. 470 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 10: Yes, it was written in twenty nineteen and published in 471 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 10: the middle of COVID so twenty twenty. 472 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: But you're one of the thinkers that really got President Trump, 473 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: and behind the scenes, one of the thinkers that got 474 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: President Trump thinking about a space command and how important 475 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: was the space is obviously suborbital space. The race against 476 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: the Chinese Commists Party, and folks just remember President Trump 477 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: is trying to negotiate with them. Now it's up in 478 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 2: the air where he's going to meet. You know, it's 479 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: kind of a roll of the iron dice. The Chinese 480 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: Commanist Party has come and put a knife to the 481 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: throat of the United States of America with these heavy, 482 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: rare earths. They understand that what the globalist eleite in 483 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: our country did was allow our processing capability to basically 484 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: be bought by the Chinese Commanies Party I think out 485 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: of AIO in twenty fifteen and shipped to China, so 486 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: they process all the heavy the magnets and all these 487 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: things you need for production capability to run a production line. 488 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: And they put a knife and President Trump is trying 489 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: to fight back by doing other strategic efforts. The high 490 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 2: ground in this in this war, the future is going 491 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: to be space. Now. My problem is you got a guy, 492 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: this guy Isaacson, I think it is they're trying to 493 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: force Elon is trying to force his buddy and to 494 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: run NASA because right now we have a national security problem. 495 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: That's problem is. And I set aside the fact that 496 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: people know that Elon Musk and I go at it 497 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: all the time and he always loses. Right when he's 498 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: out of the government. Doze as a joke, I told her, 499 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: Brady was a joke. It's been you know, Drussfoltes the 500 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: real deal. This guy's a clown. He wasted seven months 501 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: telling President Drummon, get trained AZA cuts. He ended up 502 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: with zero. Okay, all the tech bros, all the Elon 503 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: bros ended up with zero. And now he has ninety 504 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: seven percent of the launches from NASA and he wants 505 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: to put his buddy into NASA so he can get 506 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: ninety nine percent. It's a national security problem. We have 507 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: one company, a private company, and President Trump, who's the 508 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: ultimate deal maker and took ten percent of Intel. President Trump, 509 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: one hundred percent of SpaceX is funded by taxpayers. Why 510 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: don't we own fifty percent of the company. You did 511 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: a great job on Intel. This guy, it's a three 512 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty billion dollar valuation which him and his 513 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: shareholders own on one hundred percent government contracts virtually all 514 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: of NASA's launches. It just can't continue. We have to 515 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: spread out for a national security, for our own nation security. 516 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: We have to get other launch companies to get some 517 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: of the expertise. And the biggest thing is this race 518 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: to the moon, back to the moon, where the Chinese 519 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: companies party is going full bent. We're now years late 520 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: and it won't even happen on President Trump's watch because 521 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: Elon's got it and with no competition, he can just 522 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: it's a four billion doll do think contract? Right? Two 523 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: point eight ban has been spent and they're just kind 524 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: of tap it along. So Number one, we must broaden 525 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: out immediately the number of companies that get access to 526 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: these launches. Number two Isaacson, who's a radical left wing 527 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: Trump hating democrat. And I don't care how many times 528 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 2: it shows up at the at the White House today 529 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: groveling that he's Maga. He's not maga. And it's a 530 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: disaster to put this guy in here because he's a 531 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: radical Democrat who is supporting people all the way up 532 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: to the evening of four November of twenty twenty four. 533 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: And number three is President Trump's done such a magnificent 534 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: job on really getting the American, the United States interest 535 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: in companies that were given massive contracts to why are 536 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: we not taking fifty percent of SpaceX. Look, I've called 537 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: to nationalize it for the simple reason is that it's 538 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: one hundred percent financed by the NASA contracts or other 539 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: DoD contracts. Brandon, how far off base am I in this, sir? 540 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: You're the expert well. 541 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 10: I would just say, I understand what you're saying, but 542 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 10: I think nationalization is a bad move only because you know, 543 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 10: we basically had a nationalized space sector for fifty years 544 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 10: and the best we could do was pop off a 545 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 10: few shuttles into the orbit around Earth. 546 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: We need to go bigger. 547 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 10: And and you know, setting aside the issues with Elon, 548 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 10: he's very erratic. We know this, the fact that SpaceX 549 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 10: has been highly INVA. 550 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: Just hang on, stop, stop, you say very erratic. He 551 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: made a comment on Twitter when he was having the 552 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: fall out with Trump that I'm just gonna throw my 553 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: choice out. I know him, and we won't do any launches. 554 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: I got it. 555 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: This is a central and I understand your thing about nationalization, 556 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: but I don't know. Give us a little something. Let 557 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: let us wet our beak. How about fifty percent? President 558 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: Trump's kind an amazing deal with Intel. What about fifty percent? 559 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: But the central issues that's fine is the the the 560 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: assortment of the contracts. Right now, he gets ninety seven 561 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: percent of the launches. 562 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, incorrect on that he gets the bulk majority of them. 563 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 10: Yes, And I would say that from national security perspective, 564 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 10: just like with investing, you don't want to put all 565 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 10: your eggs in one basket when you're investing. It's the 566 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 10: same thing here, and I would say that SpaceX has 567 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 10: been critical for lowering launch costs overall, which is key 568 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 10: for making space more open. But now we need to 569 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 10: create build off of that and create an ecosystem Steve, 570 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 10: not just SpaceX, include Blue Origin, include Rocket Lab. Also, 571 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 10: let's get some of our foreign partners. The Japanese have 572 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 10: some really innovative stuff they're doing, the Indians as well. 573 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 10: You know, the Australians are doing some cool stuff with hypersonics. 574 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 10: We can start creating an ecosystem of systems that will 575 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 10: keep us ahead in the space race. But I just 576 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 10: want to make it clear we do have to do 577 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 10: this very gingerly, only because the window right now is 578 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 10: so tight. If we negate our only real silver bullet 579 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 10: in the space race, which is the ability to easily 580 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 10: launch reusable rockets whenever we need to. If we negate 581 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 10: that by going too hard at SpaceX, then we're going 582 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 10: to basically new to ourselves. As China and Rush are 583 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 10: both rising to dominate the Earth Moon system. And that's 584 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 10: the key the Earth Moon system. You have to understand 585 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 10: it from the strategic high ground perspective. 586 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: Helped me out here about missing this launch now of 587 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: the four baion dollar contract thing to go to the 588 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: moon two point eight, it's been spent, it's been tapped along. 589 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: Now it's gonna be after President Trump's Well, of course 590 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: President Trump's still gonna be president in twenty twenty eight, 591 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: but according to the popular press, he's not. But we've 592 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: tapped this thing dangerously along. Why is that? Is Elon 593 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: just not focus? Is it was? I think that's it? 594 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: Focus was time of Doge. So the official. 595 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, the officials reason had to do with They 596 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 10: said it was an issue with the ground systems, basically 597 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 10: the physical system on the ground that provides the launch capability. 598 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 10: They said they're having technical issues with it. Other times 599 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 10: they've missed the window. They've blamed it on, you know, 600 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 10: the weather. At the bottom line, though, the end of 601 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 10: the day, I personally think it's because Elon was distracted 602 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 10: with all this political stuff. I think Elon is at 603 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 10: his best when he's full focused on SpaceX and when 604 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 10: he's not dealing with any of the political guff And 605 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 10: in fact, in some ways the political guff has hurt 606 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 10: SpaceX because when he was too close to Trump, Biden 607 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 10: went after him. And now that he's too close to Trump, 608 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 10: or now that he's not, that he's moving away from Trump. 609 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 10: Obviously that also alienates the current administration. So he needs 610 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 10: to stay focused because this is the problem with relying 611 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 10: on only one real player, SpaceX. If the leader goes 612 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 10: off the rails, then we lose that capability. And that's 613 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 10: why we need an ecosystem. And this is why Duffy 614 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 10: is correct when he says we need competition, not just SpaceX. 615 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: As much as I enjoy. 616 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 2: SpaceX, Sean, look, we're not I'm not denigrating SpaceX. Sure, 617 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying you need more competition. Hell, I'm not denigrating it. 618 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: I want to own fifty percent of it. Okay, we 619 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: want a piece. Now, it's ridiculous, it's ridiculous. Give these 620 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: government contracts out. He's doing financings at three hundred and 621 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 2: eighty billion dollars. 622 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: I think I think there's a conversation to the I 623 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: agree you. 624 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: I just don't want to. 625 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: I just don't want I just don't want it to 626 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: hurt innovation. I do not want it to. 627 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 2: Recommendation is always the problem when you use the nationalization. 628 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 10: Maybe maybe we just get we just get a little percentage, 629 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 10: a lot percentage. 630 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 2: Fifty. Well, start president trust and master negotiator. Let's start 631 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: at fifty and work our way up. 632 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 10: But look, Elon has done some good though, and we 633 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 10: shouldn't we shouldn't forget that. And I say this as 634 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 10: somebody who's been critical of him on other issues, but 635 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 10: SpaceX came really good on Listen. 636 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 2: I look, he has been I think terrific about SpaceX. 637 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 2: The problem is, you can't put your eggs in all 638 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: one basket. I agree, you gotta spread the no contractor 639 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: should ever have nonety seven percent? I agree of something. 640 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: You have to spread your eggs in the basketball. 641 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 10: And this was the thing also of SpaceX initially when 642 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 10: they went against United Launch Alliance, which was the Boeing 643 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 10: Lockey conglomerate in twenty ten. And Musk was one hundred 644 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 10: percent right when he said, you can't just rely on 645 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 10: these guys. We got to get other players. But we 646 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 10: should take Must's advice and get other players besides SpaceX 647 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 10: as well. 648 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: Sean Duffy's been a hero in this trend thing that 649 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 2: you also can't put a this isaacman. You can't put 650 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 2: his buddy. You can't put Elon's bestie in with with this. 651 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: We killed it one time, we're gonna have to kill 652 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: it again. 653 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: I will just say, I will say Isaacman. 654 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 10: I don't think he's one of us politically, and that 655 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 10: is always a concern. But Isaacman is somebody who is 656 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 10: an expert in the field. I like Duffy, but you know, 657 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 10: I wish that we could get an actual astronaut who's 658 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 10: not a crazy liberal uh to to lead the organization. 659 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 10: I'm very concerned about certain things they're talking about doing 660 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 10: with NASA, as putting it under Duffy's. 661 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: But Sean, okay, but Sean, but Sean, hang on. Sean 662 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 2: Duffy's not saying he's gonna run NASA. Need to look 663 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 2: for someone. So I agree he's finding a tough fight 664 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: because remember all of them on Capitol Hill and the administration, 665 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 2: they're all afraid of Elon's money. This is why they 666 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: didn't back us on H one B's why was it 667 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: war Room had to go out and remember he was 668 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 2: going to die on this hill. Elon's going to die 669 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 2: in this hill exactly. He was not shy about it 670 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: right here, and now he's on the Now we're on 671 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: the we've changed the program so much, we're on the 672 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: we're on the point of actually destroying h b S. Anyway, Whiker, 673 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 2: you and I have a lot more to talk about 674 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 2: on hemispheric defense. You've been a great writer across biohack space. 675 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: If people want to find out some of this and 676 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: the obviously updates of Whikers are going to cite the 677 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: book Space is extraordinary kicking off point and really it 678 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 2: really got winning space and got the argument going about 679 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 2: setting up a space for us. Brandon, where do people 680 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: go for your content? 681 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 10: Sir, Well, you can find me on Twitter x which 682 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 10: is owned by you at we the Brandon and you 683 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 10: can find me also, I have a show now with 684 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 10: America out Loud dot news and they aired on iHeart 685 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 10: every Wednesday called the National Security Hour. 686 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 2: Good fantastic, sir, good having you on here. 687 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Steve, talk to you soon. 688 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: It's Senator Hawley. Okay, maybe don'tkay a fair The Committee 689 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 2: of the Present Danger of China. We set this up 690 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: years ago to warn the American people on technology and 691 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: issues like this. The Chinese Conomies Party is a mortal 692 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: threat to their own people l'a baijing right in their 693 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: a mortal threat to the American people and their immortal 694 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 2: threat to mankind overall. Right, So in space is another example, 695 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: they're throwing tons and they don't care if they're people 696 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 2: eat or don't eat. They don't care if that one 697 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 2: hundred million, they still have an abject poverty. Ever, get 698 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 2: out of abject poverty because they want to go to 699 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 2: the moon because in the Earth Moon system, that to 700 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: them is the high ground. Low orbital space is a 701 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: not the highest ground, but it's high ground. They want 702 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 2: to dominate this planet, and they're putting everything whether it's 703 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence, quantum computing, you name it. 704 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: But their goal is to eliminate the United States of America. 705 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: Am I incorrect, sir. 706 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: No, Steve, that's a spot on. That's exactly right. 707 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 9: And so when we're dealing with the CCP, we need 708 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 9: to recognize, of course that per the earlier conversation, right, 709 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 9: the enemy gets a vote. Jijiping needs artificial intelligence, and 710 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 9: he's going to pursue it unless he thinks that it 711 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 9: threatens party, the party's control. Secondly, he's going to dominate space. 712 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,439 Speaker 9: Brandon mentioned the strategic reason, that's certainly the case. There's 713 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 9: also the military role that the Moon is going to play, 714 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 9: and then thirdly there's the political role that this plays 715 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 9: that shows the legitimacy of the CCP to dominate the Moon, 716 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 9: to do what the Soviets couldn't do by putting a 717 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 9: tycho knot on the Moon. Of course, while the Soviets 718 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 9: were never able to put a cosmonaut, they just put 719 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 9: the robots on the Moon. And then as a segue 720 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 9: to Mars, right, because the CCP does not accept Outer 721 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 9: Space treaty, they're going. 722 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 3: To own the Moon, and they're going to own Mars. 723 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 9: And then Steve finally, I think it would be you know, 724 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 9: now is the time to move on AI as well 725 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 9: as space, but especially AI, because if it's not the 726 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 9: nose that we were talking about earlier, no students, no chips. 727 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 5: If this isn't. 728 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 3: Done now to cut off from this, it's. 729 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 9: Too late to do it. And I would like to 730 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 9: have leaders like Elon Musk running our space. If he's 731 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,479 Speaker 9: running our space program, I would like a leader who 732 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 9: only has America's interests in mind, not somebody who's going 733 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 9: to have interests in this with the survival of the 734 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 9: CCP and Jensen Wong of Nvidio. Right, he's also got 735 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 9: mixed motives. I mean that guy is, as we've talked about. 736 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: Before, another agent influence. Hangover for a second, guys out there, 737 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 2: hang on for one second, just hang off. 738 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 3: We're going to go to break. 739 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 2: We will buy the lo God, we will joice. 740 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: Here's your host, Stephen k bas. 741 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 2: Uh. There, we got to go to Saffron. We're also 742 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 2: going to talk about uh thwarting the Chinese Chemist Party 743 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 2: in the race for a g I. It's outrageous that 744 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 2: American companies in American capital are still in business with them, 745 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 2: so cooy capital, all these guys, Okay, it's greed and avarice. Uh, 746 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 2: what's your what are your coordinates? There? And we haven't 747 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: even gotten to my favorite topic, Irish and what's happening 748 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: in Ireland. But I promise we're gonna We're gonna get 749 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 2: it all done. Brother, where they go, sure, but. 750 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 9: You know we can leaders in space who are in 751 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 9: AI who've got vested interest in the CCP survival and success. 752 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 2: Amen. 753 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 9: At the end of the day, just brad Theair and 754 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 9: X and Bradley Thair and get her and true. Thanks 755 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 9: a lot, Steve for covering us. 756 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: See doctor Thayer has what we call range in the business. 757 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna get to Irish situation in Ireland, cultural natural 758 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: nas nationalism, which you're trying to thwart. Thank you, brother, 759 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 2: appreciate you. Thanks to Joe. You're You're my lead. You're 760 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 2: my lead sled dog on on all things AI. Where 761 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 2: do people go. 762 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 6: Go to at j Oe b o t x y 763 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 6: Z on X and get her. As long as I'm 764 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 6: on X, I may be locked out very soon. Were 765 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 6: my website Joe bought dot x y Z. Have got 766 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 6: a big lecture circuit coming up beginning on Friday. 767 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 5: It's right at the top. Where are you going Friday? Friday? 768 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 6: I will be in Fort Myers, Florida for my Florida 769 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 6: Citizens Alliance. 770 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 2: Wow. Amazing that things just sold out yet. 771 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 5: I hope so if it's not, it will be in 772 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 5: about five minutes. 773 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I want everybody down there to see Joe Allen amazing. 774 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 2: His understanding and knowledge of AI is quite extraordinary in 775 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: the impact of our country, in particular our citizens, in 776 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 2: particularly kids. Unbelievable. Joe, thank you so much for doing us. 777 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for working with Max teg Mark 778 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 2: and the great guys there at MIT in Max's Institute 779 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 2: for Life. Mike Lindell, Senator Hawley is supposed to be here. 780 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 2: I know he's running late. They got hearings of everything 781 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 2: going on. Sell me a peller, brother, Since you're are 782 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 2: going to put on hold your governor's race right now 783 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 2: to sell us some pillows, what do you got for us? 784 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 11: All right, everybody, yesterday you are responded to the corrupt 785 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 11: ruling in Minnesota with smartmatics saying my pillow is guilty 786 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 11: without even going to jury trial. We need your help, 787 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 11: and you guys responded yesterday. So we're going to extend 788 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 11: the sale for another day today, free shipping on your 789 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 11: entire order, no matter what you order. The three and 790 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 11: one sale, you got the six piece my towels, that 791 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 11: best towels ever regular eight sixty nine ninety eight thirty 792 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 11: nine ninety eight. 793 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: You got the mind. 794 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 11: Pillow premiums seventeen ninety eight, the lowest price ever in 795 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 11: the nineteen ninety eight for the kings, you guys, get 796 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 11: them for every house, every room in the house. Get 797 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 11: them for your neighbors. Make them be sleeping well everybody, 798 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 11: You know a relative the my slippers thirty nine ninety eight. 799 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 11: They're regularly one forty nine ninety that's a war room 800 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 11: exclusive and they ship for free. Everything ships for free 801 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 11: today we're extended it. Go to my pillow dot com 802 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 11: forward slash war room and you're gonna see right there 803 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 11: in the middle of the close off sale, we still 804 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 11: have the prekill sheets at twenty nine eighty eight. Combine 805 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 11: that with the free shipping. You guys are getting them 806 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 11: for a low wholesale prices a war room exclusive there, 807 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 11: and then you have the mind bill of mattress topper. 808 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 11: Take advantage of that, and the mattress one hundred percent 809 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 11: made in the USA. They ship were pre rank to 810 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 11: your house eight hundred and eighty seven three one zero 811 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 11: six two promo code war. 812 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: Let's see, okay, I see tonight, Mike, Thank you so much, brother. 813 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 2: We'll talk about your Christian network of helping people that 814 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 2: are in trouble either with addictions and or other issues. 815 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 2: Sanatral Hawlly a huge day and artificial intelligence. I know 816 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 2: you're one of the ones working on this shutdown. Can 817 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 2: he get an update on the shutdown for us? I 818 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 2: think we're winning the shutdown if they want illegal aliens 819 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 2: to get paid by the United States government as much 820 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 2: as we're in debt, I think the war on Posse 821 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 2: would tell you we got your back. We're hard, no, 822 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 2: can you give us up to speed? 823 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 11: Yeah? 824 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 2: I will. 825 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 7: I think the Democrats are right in the same position 826 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 7: you just outlined, see, which is they want money going 827 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 7: to illegals. They don't want health care for our veterans. 828 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 7: You go to the VA right now, if you're a veteran, 829 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 7: you're going to find all kinds of stuff shut down. 830 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 7: Why because the Democrats would rather give money to illegals 831 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 7: than pay our veterans who bled for this country. And 832 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 7: that's it, in a nutshell, And that's their position. So 833 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 7: I hope sooner or later they'll come to their senses 834 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 7: and they'll realize, you know what. 835 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 3: This is the wrong thing. 836 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 7: It's the wrong thing to tell the American citizens who 837 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 7: paid their taxes, who have served this nation, that we're 838 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 7: just going to screw you in order to pursue some 839 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 7: far left wing agenda. 840 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 3: But that's where they are right now. 841 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 2: And I tell you, just real quickly, is there anything 842 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 2: to nego? They keep on us all day long. He's 843 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,760 Speaker 2: got there in your mind right now? Is there anything 844 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 2: to negotiate? 845 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 8: Sir? 846 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 7: Well, listen, here's what I say to them and all 847 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 7: the Dems who say we need a negotiation. Make the 848 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 7: president an offer. You've got the president in office right 849 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 7: now who is the ultimate deal maker. He's the best 850 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 7: deal maker in the oval office in my lifetime, maybe ever. 851 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know who would surpass him in 852 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 7: terms of his record. You want to make a deal, 853 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 7: take him at They're not doing that, though, Steve, that's 854 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 7: a talking point. They're not doing it. They're not saying, Okay, 855 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 7: here's what we want. What they're out there doing is 856 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 7: trashing Trump, complaining about the ballroom at the White House 857 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 7: and whatever else, while they're denying veterans' health care benefits. 858 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 7: I mean, come on, I think people see through this. 859 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 2: What's your message to the president in our audience. I 860 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 2: only got a couple of minutes. I know you've been 861 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 2: in hearings and meetings. What's your message to the President 862 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 2: United States about this situation? 863 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 7: Well, I think he's doing the right thing. I mean, 864 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 7: this is a guy who's paying the military, he's paying 865 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 7: our law enforcement, he's paying border patrol. The only reason 866 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 7: any of these people are getting paid is because Donald 867 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,439 Speaker 7: Trump is finding every avenue that he can to try 868 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 7: to get paychecks to our folks who are out there 869 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 7: wearing the uniform keeping us safe. I mean, so my 870 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 7: message to him is thank you, I mean thank you 871 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 7: for doing that. Thank you for standing up for our people, 872 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 7: for the American people. It's the Democrats who would rather 873 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 7: shut down the entire government than pay a nice agent. 874 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 7: They would rather shut down the entire government than build 875 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 7: the border wall. They'd rather shut down an entire government 876 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 7: then stop illegals from getting medicaid. I mean, it just 877 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 7: shows you where their priorities are. 878 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 2: We know that, we hear that some of the rhiners 879 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 2: are getting wobbly. What's the message to the posse of 880 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 2: what we need to do from with your guidance over 881 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 2: the next couple of days. 882 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 7: Well, I just think the message is is, listen, we 883 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 7: got to draw a line on the sand on never 884 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 7: giving healthcare money that the American people need and have 885 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 7: paid for to illegal aliens. We've got to draw a 886 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,800 Speaker 7: line in the sand that we're going to fully fund ICE, 887 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 7: We're going to fully fund the border patrol. We're not 888 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 7: going to accept cutbacks on any of those areas. We're 889 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 7: going to stand firm and defend our military, defend our 890 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 7: law enforcement, and make sure that our people who need 891 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 7: these services, our veterans, our seniors, get what they have 892 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,879 Speaker 7: been paying for their whole life. 893 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 3: Steve. 894 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 7: I mean, that's the real injustice here is our seniors, 895 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 7: our veterans who paid into these programs their whole life 896 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 7: now can't get them. Why because the Democrats don't like 897 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 7: Donald Trump? 898 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 2: Sata Hawley, what are your coordinates? Where do people go 899 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 2: to fund out more about you? 900 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 7: Josh Holly dot com. You can find me on the 901 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 7: social media platforms that at Holymo. 902 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 2: We're gonna track you down later, maybe get you back 903 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 2: on here in the next couple of days on artificial intelligence, 904 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,919 Speaker 2: because you're the leader of the fight. Thank you, sir, 905 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 2: appreciate you. Right stuff will take us out. What a 906 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 2: great right stuff taking us down a day we talked 907 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 2: about space and making sure Isaacman is not the head 908 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 2: of Nassau. You don't need Elon's buddy over there cutting 909 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 2: any more contracts. You got ninety seven percent of them anyway. 910 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 2: The right stuff, My team's got the right stuff. The 911 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk Show follows us as it has for four 912 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 2: years posts So after that pasobic gruber bowling and then 913 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 2: back to the warm at five o'clock, we're already loaded 914 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 2: for Barry. You do not want to miss the five 915 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 2: o'clock show, and we'll see you back here at five 916 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 2: pm Eastern daylight time, when you will be back in 917 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,399 Speaker 2: the war room.