WEBVTT - Ep 37: Wesley Gonzalez

0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. Hello and welcome to

0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.959
<v Speaker 1>this week's episode of the Loud on Quiet interview podcast

0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Midnight Chats. I'm recording this part of the podcast in

0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.960
<v Speaker 1>my car, which is outside our office, and this car

0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.400
<v Speaker 1>failed it's mot this week and now there's not really

0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.879
<v Speaker 1>much use for it. I mean, I will deal with

0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.040
<v Speaker 1>it in a responsible manner. I'm not going to abandon

0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the car here before anyone thinks otherwise. But it's quite

0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.080
<v Speaker 1>noisy upstairs in our office, so I've come down here

0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to record this awkward part where I have to introduce

0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.480
<v Speaker 1>who my guest is this week. So currently sat in

0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:06.320
<v Speaker 1>a car park in Hackney in the cold, looking kind

0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.160
<v Speaker 1>of strange to the people in the office below us

0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.720
<v Speaker 1>who are looking out their window at me. But they

0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.039
<v Speaker 1>will get over it, I'm sure. So my guest this

0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.679
<v Speaker 1>week on the podcast is a friend of Loud and Quiet,

0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.480
<v Speaker 1>so I would say, I mean, he's just a musician,

0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like anyone else that we interview in the magazine and

0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.240
<v Speaker 1>online and here on the podcast. But Wesy Gonzalez is

0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:35.640
<v Speaker 1>someone that I have followed his music endeavors since he

0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.520
<v Speaker 1>was a child. Actually, he formed Let's wrestle around the

0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.559
<v Speaker 1>time I was starting Loud and Quiet around two thousand

0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and five, and that band has now split up. They

0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:52.919
<v Speaker 1>were quite a tumultuous threesome, a punk DIY slacker group,

0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and this year he released his first solo album, which

0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.680
<v Speaker 1>is called Excellent Musician. Now, if you do read Loud

0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and Quiet as well as listening to this podcast, then

0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you may recognize the name Wesley Gonzalez. As a cover

0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.840
<v Speaker 1>feature that we did earlier this year, Wesley was on

0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the front under the headline man versus Indie. That was

0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:17.760
<v Speaker 1>because Wesley has decided that guitars just aren't for him

0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.720
<v Speaker 1>anymore so, having made his name in a guitar band

0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and very much in the indie rock sphere, he's over

0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.240
<v Speaker 1>it now and he's made an album called Excellent Musician,

0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.280
<v Speaker 1>which how doesn't feature any guitars. It features synthesizers and

0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:37.200
<v Speaker 1>piano mainly, but strangely, it kind of sounds like there's

0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a guitar on there. I don't know how he's done that,

0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.080
<v Speaker 1>but you you know, you have to be reminded that

0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.519
<v Speaker 1>there isn't one on there. Anyway. We did a feature

0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.880
<v Speaker 1>earlier this year and had a really fun day where

0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.560
<v Speaker 1>we walked around the guitar shops of London and we

0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.760
<v Speaker 1>tried to get guitar people to listen to Wesley's new

0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.440
<v Speaker 1>single and tell us what they liked it. It was

0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.880
<v Speaker 1>good fun. We start the conversation reminiscing about that and

0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.400
<v Speaker 1>also talking about Wesley's videos. I'm going to put a

0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.760
<v Speaker 1>link on our website below where this podcast is being

0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.600
<v Speaker 1>posted on our website at least to Wesley's videos, because

0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.480
<v Speaker 1>he's made five videos this year and that all quite

0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.440
<v Speaker 1>something to behold. So if you're listening to this on

0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.160
<v Speaker 1>your phone or via the ACRS st app or the

0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Apple app or whatever, then do take the time to

0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.639
<v Speaker 1>go on YouTube and just put in Wesley Gonzalez and

0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.880
<v Speaker 1>check out some of the videos he's made. The ultimate

0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.920
<v Speaker 1>one is his trip to Why Betha, which is where

0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.960
<v Speaker 1>we will pick up this conversation. Thanks to Wesley for

0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.720
<v Speaker 1>coming in. It was a really fun one. This so

0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:51.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a bit longer than they usually are, and yeah,

0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:52.680
<v Speaker 1>what more do I need to tell you? There's a

0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.720
<v Speaker 1>bit of swearing in it. Wesley is a bit of

0:03:55.720 --> 0:04:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a potty mouth. He freely admits that. And as long

0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>as you're okay with that please enjoy this episode. We're

0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.960
<v Speaker 1>going to have a couple more episodes of the podcast

0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.680
<v Speaker 1>before Christmas time, and then we'll take off, like you know,

0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks. Nobody really wants to be listening

0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to our podcast over the Christmas period, I'm sure, so

0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.880
<v Speaker 1>we pick it back up in January. So there will

0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.960
<v Speaker 1>be a couple of more but for now here is

0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Wesley Gonzalez. And if you're currently in the market for

0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a Perjo two six four series without an mot and

0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.400
<v Speaker 1>very little hope of passing one, I can help you

0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:54.839
<v Speaker 1>with that. Last time, what I saw you was when

0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.000
<v Speaker 1>we did the cover feature.

0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Was that March, Yes, something like that March praul When

0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.359
<v Speaker 2>did the record come out? That came at June? It

0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:07.080
<v Speaker 2>was a couple of It was a little bit yeah then.

0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.880
<v Speaker 1>So to bring any listeners up to date. That was

0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.640
<v Speaker 1>for a feature for the magazine, a cover feature where

0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we went down Denmark Street and attempted to play people

0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.920
<v Speaker 1>in guitar shops your albums, which doesn't feature any guitar,

0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.320
<v Speaker 1>no guitar at all. Yeah, to get their opinion. But

0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:31.280
<v Speaker 1>we weren't that successful, not all because they were essentially

0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.760
<v Speaker 1>because they were just too grumpy.

0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.080
<v Speaker 2>They weren't. Overall, they weren't that grumpy though, whether they

0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.120
<v Speaker 2>were quite polite. There was a couple of guys who

0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.520
<v Speaker 2>just told us to bugger off, but overall they were

0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.440
<v Speaker 2>like frustratingly polite.

0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ones.

0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I did want them to sort of really start slating it,

0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.560
<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't. They didn't ever get to that.

0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Point because basically the people that would have been cruel

0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.640
<v Speaker 1>about it wouldn't even talk to us, And the people

0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that would talk to us were just too polite. So

0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.080
<v Speaker 1>they said, oh I like it.

0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was it going? Guy said, it sounds like

0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.120
<v Speaker 2>mystery Jets? Just a bizarre reference.

0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where you got that from. But the

0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.760
<v Speaker 1>but everyone was quite pleasant. It was a fun day

0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.200
<v Speaker 1>out though, Yes, in Nevertheless, they're just weird shops, so

0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.720
<v Speaker 1>aren't they? They are generally like.

0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I keep on putting these ideas

0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.120
<v Speaker 2>out there that it's putting myself in a situation which

0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.800
<v Speaker 2>makes me the most anxious and nervous I could possibly be.

0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Were you really anxious that day?

0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I get so terrified of doing it. I get

0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.320
<v Speaker 2>really terrified of talking to people. I'm very good at

0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:34.800
<v Speaker 2>pretending I'm not terrified. I don't exude anxiety in any way,

0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.720
<v Speaker 2>but fucking.

0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Terrified inside you are.

0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm dying, You're dying.

0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very well, you sat on that. I remember that

0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.040
<v Speaker 1>day very well, and you seemed with it. You were

0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.240
<v Speaker 1>straight in there, walking up to them and saying, Hey,

0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:51.960
<v Speaker 1>can I play you my record?

0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I think I gear myself up into it. I don't know.

0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's I'm paying too much attention to John

0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Ronson or something, and like that's, you know, going into

0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.720
<v Speaker 2>this sort of like I'm going to do it. I'm

0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.000
<v Speaker 2>going to do it, but I've gotten, I've gotten all right.

0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like we did that video and I Betha and

0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the same. That was the most terrifying two days

0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I've ever I've ever had. It was really there was

0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.600
<v Speaker 2>about two or three occasions when I thought I'm genuinely

0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:15.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna get shit kicked out of me.

0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.240
<v Speaker 1>So this is the video for Amsterdam. Yes, this is

0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the this is the video of the year.

0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I think so.

0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.360
<v Speaker 1>This is for anyone listening that's not not seen this yet,

0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I suggest you stop listening to this podcast now, go

0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and watch that. I'd take three minutes of your day

0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.239
<v Speaker 1>and then come back to this podcast. This is where's

0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.360
<v Speaker 1>his video for his track Amsterdam and it's you on

0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a Lad's Holidays filmed in Iviefa.

0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, it is filmed.

0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's just set the scene of it.

0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.080
<v Speaker 2>If we If we start off from the beginning. We

0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.360
<v Speaker 2>found out what the budget was from the label. I'm

0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.720
<v Speaker 2>sat with my mate Danny does all the videos, We

0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.320
<v Speaker 2>do them all together. He's an old old friend of mine.

0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.320
<v Speaker 2>He also does a bank called Charles Hall, who are

0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.840
<v Speaker 2>very good and we sat there found out how much

0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the budget was. We talked up this ridiculous idea that

0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.200
<v Speaker 2>was slightly vic and bob esque that we were planning

0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and then just not really feeling it, and then found

0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.280
<v Speaker 2>out how much more was. We were like, let's see flights.

0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Where can we go with this budget? And it matched perfectly.

0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:23.760
<v Speaker 2>The budget was one hundred pounds off for spending on

0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the video and then two hundred quid on the flight.

0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.080
<v Speaker 1>On the flights so go to Ibeth.

0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I think this because we watched an episode of sun

0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Sex Suspicious Parents as well. That's the that was the

0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.720
<v Speaker 2>influence behind it, and originally the video was also going

0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.760
<v Speaker 2>to be us interviewing my mum afterwards and her watching

0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the footage and getting subtle, but the song was too

0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.000
<v Speaker 2>short to get it in there. We even went around

0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and started setting everything up at my mum's house. But

0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.720
<v Speaker 2>so we fly over. We had about an hour's sleep

0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.400
<v Speaker 2>on the way over, when neither of us had been

0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to our breather before, neither of us had been on

0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:57.960
<v Speaker 2>a lad's holiday before.

0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Why had you only had an hour's sleep this point?

0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Because the flight was it was like you know, cheap flights,

0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.240
<v Speaker 2>five in the morning. We had to get to Standstead

0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.720
<v Speaker 2>and so now it wasn't any mad party or anything, okay,

0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.439
<v Speaker 2>it was we were sober. Just went and got there

0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.760
<v Speaker 2>at like seven in the morning. The airbnb we were

0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.400
<v Speaker 2>staying in was literally just as we like, right next

0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to the beach, and we walked and we were a

0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.880
<v Speaker 2>bit worried because it was so serene, but obviously that's

0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.319
<v Speaker 2>seven in the morning. Yeah, it was a bit quiet.

0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit worried about this. And then we went

0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.959
<v Speaker 2>checked into the airbnb, sat down for a minute and

0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.280
<v Speaker 2>then we're like, okay, let's go do it, get ourselves up,

0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.600
<v Speaker 2>went out and did it. The first shot, we're lying

0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.040
<v Speaker 2>it's me lying on the beach. It's one of the

0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.400
<v Speaker 2>first shots in the video as well. I'm lying on

0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the beach with whiskey and coke. I'm singing the.

0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.959
<v Speaker 1>Song wearing like Brown Trouns.

0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing Yeah, I've got this T shirt made that

0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.280
<v Speaker 2>says I love excellent musician, which caused a lot of

0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.480
<v Speaker 2>trouble as well. The whole time was there going you're

0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:06.719
<v Speaker 2>excellent musician, and yes, yes I am. And yeah. So

0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm lying on the beach and this Welsh guy just

0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.280
<v Speaker 2>runs up into as soon as he notices I'm doing

0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:17.000
<v Speaker 2>something slightly odd, runs up, tucks his little penis out

0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.600
<v Speaker 2>at the top of his shorts and proceeds to start

0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.520
<v Speaker 2>humping my head. And we got this shot and I

0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.400
<v Speaker 2>could see Danny filming me, just like, do not move,

0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.200
<v Speaker 2>do not change. You know, something amazing is happening right now.

0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.280
<v Speaker 2>You don't know what it is, but something brilliant is happening.

0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.680
<v Speaker 2>And then we went to the bar and sat down

0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.480
<v Speaker 2>and we looked at the footage. We've made the complete

0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.760
<v Speaker 2>right decision. This is the best possible thing we could

0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.560
<v Speaker 2>have done. I think, like half an hour later, I'm

0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.439
<v Speaker 2>like and I'm really smashing the drinks back as well.

0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.800
<v Speaker 2>To get through this, very very scared, I go up

0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and start talking to these guys. This again very early

0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.280
<v Speaker 2>on in the video you see it. Start talking to

0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.640
<v Speaker 2>these guys doing laughing gas and I was trying to

0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.200
<v Speaker 2>get balloons off them, and I go, hey, you're right, guys,

0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to approach it, all right, fellas,

0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.840
<v Speaker 2>how you doing? Could I possibly buy one of those

0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.839
<v Speaker 2>laughing gas and canisters off you? And you just that

0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.240
<v Speaker 2>All of them looked at me and just started walking.

0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's one of the shots where I'm walking behind

0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.959
<v Speaker 2>them and I do this weird like hand gesture like

0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm in with them or something. It's just it's bizarre.

0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.600
<v Speaker 2>And those are the guys where it was like they're

0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.440
<v Speaker 2>going to kill me the sense I was following them,

0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and then they sort of turned around and I ran off.

0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm going to get murdered now. This

0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.280
<v Speaker 2>is and everybody was so huge as well, like really

0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.640
<v Speaker 2>massively beefed up dudes. We got away with most of

0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.240
<v Speaker 2>the video by telling people we worked for Vice, because

0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.120
<v Speaker 2>it explained why we were such odd dickheads, you know,

0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.240
<v Speaker 2>like that in their Vice was sort of enough of

0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.360
<v Speaker 2>a platform that they understood what that was, understood that

0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.599
<v Speaker 2>we were just some hipster dickheads trying to make some

0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.280
<v Speaker 2>stupid video whatever. So we did get through it in

0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.319
<v Speaker 2>the end, but it was and we only had two

0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.080
<v Speaker 2>hours sleep while we're there. Over the space of three

0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:00.839
<v Speaker 2>days we had about three out of sleep, and it

0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.800
<v Speaker 2>was just absolutely exhausting and grueling, but it was it

0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.280
<v Speaker 2>was I'm so happy with how it came out.

0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you manage to enjoy the exp because you've never

0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.719
<v Speaker 1>this is the first quote unquote lads holiday you've been on.

0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, we were discussing it when we were there, of

0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.480
<v Speaker 2>what constitutes the lad's holiday. And I went away with

0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the two guys I did let's wrestle with and a

0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.599
<v Speaker 2>few school friends when we were about fifteen to Montpellier

0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.800
<v Speaker 2>in France, which I wouldn't call it lads holiday but

0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.320
<v Speaker 2>it was six lads, but just dorky lads.

0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is this is what's changed, I think because

0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I've been because I'm from Essex, so I've been on

0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.200
<v Speaker 1>lads holidays willingly. Yeah, and it had a great time.

0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.040
<v Speaker 1>But then and maybe this is just maybe my complexion

0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.679
<v Speaker 1>and my build, But now it seems like everyone looks

0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.520
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying it, Well, the guys are all massive guys.

0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.679
<v Speaker 1>They all really look after themselves. I don't know if

0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:00.360
<v Speaker 1>this is like since Towie and Maiden Else and all

0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:00.719
<v Speaker 1>those things.

0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what it is, but I questioning the

0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Royds situation. It's some serious steroids shit. Yeah as well, I.

0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Think because when I went on Lad's holidays, it was

0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.679
<v Speaker 1>really like we probably thought we were cool, but it

0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was more like the in between us.

0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, we saw a lot of people like that. We

0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.959
<v Speaker 2>were trying to keep away from those people because it

0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.960
<v Speaker 2>became too real in that sense. We had to only

0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.079
<v Speaker 2>get the beef cakes in. But we did see other

0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.120
<v Speaker 2>people there who.

0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Looked as awkward as you felt.

0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much, but they in some they obviously didn't

0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.319
<v Speaker 2>have the confidence in themselves that they knew they didn't

0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.920
<v Speaker 2>belong there. At least we knew we didn't belong. They

0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.079
<v Speaker 2>were trying to get along with everybody and it just

0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't working, and sort of you did feel really bad

0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.800
<v Speaker 2>for them. And you know, I've only been in situations

0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.200
<v Speaker 2>like that with like sort of young, youngish testosterone fueled

0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.959
<v Speaker 2>trying to get laid sort of situations very infrequently. I

0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.959
<v Speaker 2>think I learned from a very early age that I

0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't that person, but I did on this holiday to Montpellier.

0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's because the flights are like a tenor

0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.800
<v Speaker 2>AND's going to like the middle of the summer, go

0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.839
<v Speaker 2>to Montpellier and just sort of had nothing to do.

0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.679
<v Speaker 2>There's no clubs in Montpelli or anything like that. I

0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.920
<v Speaker 2>think we did finally find a club, and everybody was

0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.520
<v Speaker 2>really excited that there was a club. They finally found

0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.880
<v Speaker 2>a club. We went in and there was nobody in there,

0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and I was just being a negative bastard, going, oh,

0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.840
<v Speaker 2>this is terrible, there's nobody here. What do you think?

0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like, look at you anyway. Do you think

0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.280
<v Speaker 2>anybody's going to shag you? Look at you? Look we

0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>all look like idiots. What do you think is gonna happen?

0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And then about twenty Irish girls came into the club,

0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and everybody I was with got so incredibly excited that

0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.400
<v Speaker 2>there were these girls there, and it got really and

0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I think I made one joke that I don't know

0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.280
<v Speaker 2>if I should repeat. I made one joke to one

0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.560
<v Speaker 2>of them, just honestly thinking it was quite funny. It

0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.520
<v Speaker 2>went down so badly that all twenty girls left. She went, okay,

0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 2>we're all going now, and they all stormed out of

0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the club and left instantly, And then everybody turned around

0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.360
<v Speaker 2>and hated me for the rest of the time. You

0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:03.800
<v Speaker 2>blew it.

0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.280
<v Speaker 1>That was going to be, Yeah, that was everyone's moment.

0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.720
<v Speaker 2>It was going to be an orgy in the youth hostel.

0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.040
<v Speaker 1>With the rest of your party, the rest of Let's

0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:14.840
<v Speaker 1>wrestle and the friends you're with. Were any of them

0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.920
<v Speaker 1>getting on with any of the Irish girls, just even

0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.080
<v Speaker 1>if they were just chatting to them?

0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:23.080
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's funny because Louis, who who I did

0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's wrestle with it, I think he was more on

0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.640
<v Speaker 2>my level. He knew we weren't getting lucky in anyway.

0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.520
<v Speaker 2>We were a bit more like realistic about it. Yeah,

0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.760
<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to fucking fucking fifteen year old boy, but

0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were realists about it. But everybody else

0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is it, this is it. We're new

0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.800
<v Speaker 2>people now. Like one of them bought a copy of

0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Nuts magazine on the plane and I was like, you've

0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.000
<v Speaker 2>never bought Nuts before? Why you buy a Nuts magazine?

0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, what it got really defensive. It's like

0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.360
<v Speaker 2>some reinvention of himself as a lad. It's like you're

0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.840
<v Speaker 2>a postboy from Mauslil. You're go into Montpellier and you're

0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.760
<v Speaker 2>buying a copy of fucking Nuts. What are you doing?

0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was horrific and I never And they

0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.680
<v Speaker 2>went the next year and they didn't invite.

0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Me to to the same place.

0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.080
<v Speaker 2>No, they went. They went somewhere equally as middle class though, and.

0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.960
<v Speaker 1>They're like, we're not don't invite Wears because he blows

0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:15.720
<v Speaker 1>it of all the girls.

0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in this clubless like culture Land. I think they

0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.320
<v Speaker 2>went to like Vienna or something.

0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.720
<v Speaker 1>So when you're in I Beefa and you're hanging out

0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.200
<v Speaker 1>with like these beefcakes, yeah, how would you get the

0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.840
<v Speaker 1>shots that you needed of talking to them? Would you

0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.920
<v Speaker 1>ever say we're making a fit? Would you just like,

0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.920
<v Speaker 1>how did you go about getting those kind of big

0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.920
<v Speaker 1>stacked guys in? Do you just start some of them?

0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.280
<v Speaker 2>We were just some of them, some of them. Danny

0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.200
<v Speaker 2>was going over by himself because I looked too odd.

0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So it's like when it's the individual shots, I'm hiding

0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.720
<v Speaker 2>like around the corner because they as soon as I'm

0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.880
<v Speaker 2>in it. They know that something's odd.

0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.200
<v Speaker 1>This is exactly how we did the cover feature with

0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.800
<v Speaker 1>me going into the shop and saying, I've got this

0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:02.920
<v Speaker 1>musician outside.

0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.120
<v Speaker 2>That's my tactic. And I was hiding because I knew

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.560
<v Speaker 2>as soon as I get involved, it goes wrong and

0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.960
<v Speaker 2>they realize something's up terribly wrong.

0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Is that just because they think this guy has clearly

0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:14.920
<v Speaker 1>taking a piers?

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I think so, I don't know. There's something about my

0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:23.159
<v Speaker 2>demeanor that I can't I'm very bad at like you know,

0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I think in the same way that sometimes you, especially

0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.679
<v Speaker 2>in the music industry, a lot of the time selling yourself,

0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.320
<v Speaker 2>You're just going like, I'm brilliant, I'm fantastic, and I

0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.040
<v Speaker 2>don't have the capability of doing that. If something's going wrong,

0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go this is fucking terrible. Everything's awful.

0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I want to kill myself. This is terrible, and I

0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.359
<v Speaker 2>can't do the thing. So it's the same thing. If

0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I know that I'm trying to get a rise in

0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.680
<v Speaker 2>some sort of way, I am still I've got a

0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.680
<v Speaker 2>look on my face or and I'm wearing a T

0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.520
<v Speaker 2>shirt that says I love excellent musician. I've designed the

0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.240
<v Speaker 2>logo on my phone as well. I designed that T

0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.240
<v Speaker 2>shirt on my phone, which I thought modern technology wise

0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely fantastic. But you know, so a lot of it.

0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.080
<v Speaker 2>He had to do that sort of side of it.

0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.360
<v Speaker 2>But then there were but then there were other ones

0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.560
<v Speaker 2>where I would go and approach them and say, we're

0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.560
<v Speaker 2>making a documentary. That was the line. We're making a

0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:22.360
<v Speaker 2>documentary about lad culture. And there's so many noisy documentaries

0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.800
<v Speaker 2>on lads in Ibtha or whatever. We knew we could

0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 2>get away with it, so just doing that and then

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.679
<v Speaker 2>they'd just be chatting and a lot of there were

0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.159
<v Speaker 2>just really sweet guys as well, and they're just like,

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.280
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, brilliant. Like even the guy coming and humping

0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 2>my head when we talked to him after, he was like, oh,

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.760
<v Speaker 2>you're making a video, brilliance, and like, you know, he's

0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.760
<v Speaker 2>got really excited. So everybody it was weird. It was

0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of sometimes you just as soon as you could

0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.520
<v Speaker 2>smell I'm going to get the shit kicked out me.

0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I just get the fuck away from it as quickly

0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.879
<v Speaker 2>as possible. If there were there was like six lads

0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.920
<v Speaker 2>on a hendu and they all had tattoos up to

0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.919
<v Speaker 2>their ears, like completely full body tattooed, looked absolutely they

0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.119
<v Speaker 2>come out of a gang, you know, they look terrifying,

0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and oh yeah, I'm just on my hand. Yeah, just

0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.119
<v Speaker 2>sort of, you know, so last night to night, so

0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.440
<v Speaker 2>we go have a real mad one. You know, it's

0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.800
<v Speaker 2>just right, This isn't what I thought it was, but

0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:10.680
<v Speaker 2>you look like you look the part. So we're just

0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of trying to find anybody that did that. I mean,

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the worst pit was there was one shot where we're

0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.399
<v Speaker 2>walking down the big strip where all the clubs are

0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.240
<v Speaker 2>and I'm singing the song walking down and that took

0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 2>about three hours, where because I was so pissed as well,

0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:25.720
<v Speaker 2>I was.

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.919
<v Speaker 1>Like, you do look absolutely ship. First, I was going

0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to say, is that just that's just real? That's not like,

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:33.040
<v Speaker 1>yeah it.

0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Was, Yeah, I was absolutely ship. But we were going

0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.480
<v Speaker 2>into every bar. You go into there, they'll give you

0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 2>a free shot just for going in, and Danny the

0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.959
<v Speaker 2>director wasn't drinking, so we'd got two shots every bar,

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and I do both of them, and then we go

0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to the next place do both of them. And it

0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.440
<v Speaker 2>was because I knew at some point I'm going to

0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.680
<v Speaker 2>have to go and start doing mad dancing in a club,

0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have to do.

0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.880
<v Speaker 1>That's the best. That's the best moment when you're dancing

0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.240
<v Speaker 1>and there's kind of a circle, a fague circle around

0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.600
<v Speaker 1>your people looking The.

0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Video could have just been that one long I was

0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 2>just dancing to a song for three minutes. It was

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>literally that, and we could have just released that of

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 2>me dancing and doing this psychotic, really like weird tribal

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 2>shucking that I'm doing and just sort of I was thinking,

0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 2>like I'm like trying my best to look completely normal,

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 2>just going this is the most unnatural thing I've ever done,

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and I can as well. It's like, I'm all right

0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.240
<v Speaker 2>at dancing. I'm not too bad at dancing, and I

0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 2>think that's the funny thing is that I'm not bad

0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.760
<v Speaker 2>at it, but I am just choosing to do the

0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.840
<v Speaker 2>weirdest dancing. And they're playing like tech house in that

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.400
<v Speaker 2>club as well. It's like, this is to horrible tech

0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.760
<v Speaker 2>house music, and it was the music. There was the

0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>worst music. And I love techno and house music and

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, but it was the worst of the worst,

0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 2>like you know, Avichi and stuff like that, and trying

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to dance to like a Rihanna club remix, but doing

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.520
<v Speaker 2>it in this insane style.

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because actually oddly it's kind of in time to

0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the tune, Yeah to your song.

0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.640
<v Speaker 2>But that's what I was trying to do. If I'm

0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 2>doing like a straight beat, it's not gonna work with

0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.640
<v Speaker 2>a song, so it has to be this weird flailing

0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>around but also slightly r men. But yeah, you just

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:07.680
<v Speaker 2>there is a shot where you see one guy in

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the background who was just looking the most perplexed I've

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 2>ever seen. But he look he looks so like, what

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the fuck is going on? This is not what I

0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.760
<v Speaker 2>signed up for. This isn't the ib ether I know

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and love. You just could not suss it out whatsoever,

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 2>but it was. It was. Yeah, it was the most

0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.239
<v Speaker 2>exhausting two days I've ever had. It was. And then

0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 2>we got back the next morning again no sleep and

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 2>had to go straight to work as well. I got

0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.119
<v Speaker 2>from the from the airport straight into Soho to the

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 2>record show to work, and luckily my boss gave me

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:46.040
<v Speaker 2>an extra hour off and I showed him. I showed

0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:47.680
<v Speaker 2>him the video afters and he was like, I'm glad

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I gave you this.

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:49.720
<v Speaker 1>You deserve you.

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Did.

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Did it make you think differently? At aur of like

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.639
<v Speaker 1>lad culture when you when you talk about when you say, like,

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you some people and you thought they look hard,

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 1>but they're like really sweet guys. Did it make you

0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:08.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of think I've never really thought maybe some of them,

0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:09.840
<v Speaker 1>all right, I've not really.

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Had much of a disparaging thought about it, to be honest.

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the weird thing about it was I think

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I put it in the press release that I didn't

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.960
<v Speaker 2>want it to be in any way mocking of people.

0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 2>And you know, a lot of my family are like that.

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:22.959
<v Speaker 2>I'm from a family of a lot of people who

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 2>were working class people who like to go and get

0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:26.760
<v Speaker 2>ship faced.

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 1>On an island.

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's not become used to it weirdly

0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like just but not in that circumstance. So I didn't

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:39.560
<v Speaker 2>have much preconceptions in the first place. And but it

0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:43.800
<v Speaker 2>was just it was exactly what you would expect. It

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 2>is walking into an episode of Parents, which is just

0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite shows ever. And like, you know,

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 2>we were we were we were going back to the

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Airbnb and film it and watching the show and copying

0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.680
<v Speaker 2>the camera angles. Like we get one shot in the

0:22:57.760 --> 0:22:59.880
<v Speaker 2>video where it's me doing a shot and the camera

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 2>follows the shot going up to my mouth, which is

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 2>something we nicked directly from Sunsets Parents. We've got a

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 2>few in there that we were really like, nobody's going

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.560
<v Speaker 2>to notice, but we were really proud that we've got

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the exact same shooting that they had done in their

0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Sunsets Parents that I don't think it changed my mind

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>on it in any way, or I mean, people are

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 2>just people, and people like to let their hair down

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, and you know, people do whatever

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 2>they want. I mean, it was we made a big

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 2>point we didn't want to film any in any of

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.399
<v Speaker 2>the clubs that had strippers or anything. You know that

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 2>it's so there is so much misogyny in those places,

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and you know, just the amount of women walking around

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 2>in a bikinian heels and you sort of just feel

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 2>really terrible for It's like you just be comfortable, you're

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.200
<v Speaker 2>on holiday, just have a nice time, but they're still

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 2>looking at themselves as these sort of I've got to

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.680
<v Speaker 2>be in some way sexual to these beefcake men, and

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>it's the testosterone levels are so incredibly different to and

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of soak into you as well. You sort

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 2>of start thinking in a different way, in a way

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't usually think like it was like, oh, yeah,

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.159
<v Speaker 2>you know you start going, you remember that you have

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you're sort of you're a blow because well it's like,

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>oh no, I'm from an arts background, you know, I'm

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 2>thinking like this.

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm a homely sort of you know, music carding this.

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was just it was bizarre. It was

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 2>one of the weirdest things I've ever done, and I'm

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 2>really glad I did it, but I never wanted to

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>do it with again.

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>So then you come back and go pretty much straight

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to work. This is in in Sister Ray. I still

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>call it selected disc in my mind. Yes, I had

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to catch myself.

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 2>So when I first started going, I always remembered it

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.120
<v Speaker 2>as selected discs. I started going when I was about

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:49.879
<v Speaker 2>twelve minears over the road and stuff.

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>That's a paper chase. Now, it's very depressing, sad.

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It's depressing that you see like couples come in to

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>bloke go downstairs and the wife I'm just go to

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 2>paper and that really upsets me. You know, not obviously

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 2>not all the time, but I'll wait for the paper chase.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 2>What is in there? What people find it's wrapping.

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Paper, wrapping paper, and kind of like ironic cards. I think.

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 2>I think the only good place to buy gift cards

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 2>at corner.

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Shops absolutely the one across the road from here. I

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>brought up all of that, all of that gift cards

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>because they're old. They're not going to restock them. I

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>think they've been in there since, you know, nineteen eighty five.

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 2>So the ones where they're really shuddly made and it's

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 2>just like a picture of two wine glasses and congratulations.

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or it's like an embossed football football boot.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Yeah, they're great.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I love Happy Birthday Dad that.

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>What's great about them is they're like they're from a

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.919
<v Speaker 1>pre ironic age, aren't they. There's no that's so honest

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and sweet.

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.680
<v Speaker 2>There's something with modern culture in general is that everything

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 2>has some sort of niche boutique vibe, now.

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Some gag in it.

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just want everything to be ship like it was.

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, paper chases. The paper chase excels in that does

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>like I think, like kind of little nods.

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>And things, fancy ribbon.

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>How is the record shop very well because in a way,

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>like we like when we were going in on the

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>guitar shops, and we were talking about how guitar shops

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>are particularly kind of weird. It's a weird specialist place

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>where you feel awkward as soon as you've gone in,

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and the dudes there are kind of quite weak, sometimes

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>quite dewavy guys. They want to prove that they know

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>about Yeah, they.

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Know who Stephen Wilson is.

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Really, I'm really proud of it. And it's to

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a lesser extent for sure, But like record shops do

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>fill some people with that similar kind of dread. I

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>think I get when I'm record shopping, especially if I'm

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>buying a classic, if I'm buying a Beatles album or

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>an Elton John record or something, I kind of I'm

0:26:58.480 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed when I'm paying.

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 2>You mean, I had myself because I kind of.

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Just think you kind of want to say I work

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>in I do know other music. I just want this one.

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like you just go up and whisper mertz bough

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 2>so they know I know about noise music. It's fine, No,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I had that, well, you before I worked in CISTER.

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I used to work in Musical Video Exchange, which I

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 2>think at one point was voted the rudous shop in London.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just the Camden one.

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>No, the Camden one was the only one I didn't

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>work and I worked in the notting Hill on Greenwich

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>one and the Soho one, and I remember once it's

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>bloke I was working with and there were so many

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>members of staff. Because the way you get the job

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 2>as you do a written test on music. No you don't, yeah, genuinely,

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you don't do an interview that if you pass the test,

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>it's questions like which band is Brian Chippendale in Lightning Bolts.

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, you know, really, where is Touch and

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Go Records based, like really incredibly meticulous question, but.

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>All kind of from Is it all from like a

0:27:58.720 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>DIY hardcore punk?

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it is across across the po. They even do

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 2>it with the closed shops, the book shops, musical video

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>shows because they've got all the different So when you

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>sit down and there's a school desk in one of

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the shops where prospective shop workers have to go and

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>do this written test, and you sit in this school

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 2>school desk and do this five page test. So the

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 2>first one is rock and pop, the second one is

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>sole music, the third one is dance music. The fourth

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>one is books. The fifth one is designer clothes.

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>So you can you can kind of swat up for it.

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>But you don't know what's on the test, right, but

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>they tell you beforehand you're going to do the test.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>You phone up the owner. I don't know if it's changed.

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I worked there a long time ago, but so I

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 2>went in. I asked for a job. They said, okay,

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>we'll call the owner. The owner. I'm on the phone

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 2>to the owner, who I also the whole I worked

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>there for a while. I only met him once. He

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>never came in the shop. So I spoke on the phone.

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 2>He went, name all the members of the smiths. Okay,

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>name all the members of Roxy music. Okay, you got

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 2>come down Sunday. We'll give you the test. And that's it.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.479
<v Speaker 2>And then I went down. Did the test? You're there

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>for half an hour? Got it? Yeah? Got the test?

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Did they give you a past grade or is it

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>just pass or fail?

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I think you have to get like eighty percent or

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>above to get through, and like like, for instance, at

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>that point, this is I didn't know that much about

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>dance music, so I wouldn't have been I only worked

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 2>in the rock and pop shop. I wouldn't work in

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the okay, so you have special So there's five pages

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>so they can determine which shops you like, I did

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 2>days in the clothes shop because I didn't too badly

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 2>do too bad on the clothes, even though I'm not

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 2>really a fashion guy at all.

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>So it's just a bizarre way to get a job.

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 2>And the way that the thing that that sets up

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>is somebody who I mean, it just it plays to

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 2>people's autism. You know, somebody who's slightly autistic would be

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>brilliant at the test but terrible at dealing with people.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>And that was common in the in the shop and that,

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I had it once. There was one

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 2>bloke played this roy Wood record I like Boulders and

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 2>it came on and I went up to it, went

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>up to them and this is a guy like a colleague,

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>and I went brilliant choice, love this Roywood record. And

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>he just didn't say anything. He just looked at the

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>floor and it was like, I work with you. I'm

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 2>just I'm saying good choice, you know, how are you?

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>It's rude to me, You're like I passed the test, mate, Yeah,

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>but he worked for that. He wrote for the wire.

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>So that.

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Explains it all. Well, I mean that's good. That's good

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to know that, because I kind of feel maybe I'm

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I being paranoid when I'm feeling awkward in a record shop.

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>And maybe I think that's natural. But I mean, you know,

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it's changes from shop to shop I guess, or who's

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>working there, but it's it goes hand in hand. People

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 2>people who know that much about music are always slightly dysfunctional,

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>so it's sort of and also it's a it's a

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>hard thing when like if somebody's being rude. If it's

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>like a rich person who's buying a dire Straits record

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>has been really rude to you, you're sort of like

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you're buying terrible music. You've been horrible to me. Stop.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>You get a lot a lot of that, and people,

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>because it's a niche market, people get confused about how

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the stuff works a lot of the time as well.

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So you hear the same question over and over and

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>over again. So I can understand it. I mean, I'm never,

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I say I'm never. I try never to be rude

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>to people. I don't think you know, anybody deserves it ever,

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever they're buying or you know, and I don't subscribe

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to that sort of thing, and I don't think anybody

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>in the shop that I work out does. And I

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 2>think also that that has sort of over time. I

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>think maybe because of the market, the record market crashing

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>in like the late noughties. I think that changed people

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>like I have to be a bit nice enough. You

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 2>have to, you know, put a bit more effort in

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise I just won't have a job. So that's

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 2>that's character. Also fucking that trip advisor stuff as well,

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>you know that's true. Yeah, so you you can be

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>reviewed in any way at any time, so you always

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know. So I think I think it

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>has gone down that sort of record shop rudeness over

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the line a few years.

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>What is the thing with Whenever I go in a

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>record shop and I consider myself that I know a

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>bit about music, I don't think I could pass the

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>test at all. I would be terrible at that.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 2>But nobody should be.

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Nobody should. It's weird if you can.

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm slightly ashamed embarrassed that.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>You managed it. But whenever I go in a record shop,

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I very rarely recognize the song that's on on Yeah,

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>what's that about is that on purpose? Like I feel

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>like I've never gone in the car that playing. Well,

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I think we spoke about this before, like, yeah, they're

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>playing you know doves playing that Coop song. Just think,

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is this? I don't know what this is?

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Is like that, I don't know. It's like i've is there, like, oh,

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm a Beatles fanatic. I've never put the Beatles on

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>in a shop.

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>The only is that because you think, like would you

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>be would would it be? Would that be bad form

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>in the world of record? Would you have the.

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Hassle in the conversation with your co workers.

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Because would they be like, why are you doing this?

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've managed to convince some of my coworkers of

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>some of Paul McCartney's genius recently, and that's my proudest achievement.

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 2>At the shop, I'm the only person who likes the Beatles.

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe the owner likes the Beatles, but that's

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 2>we've got over there. I love the pol yeah, my guy,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>but I put on McCartney too, and that's my go

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to one. If people don't like the Beatles, I put

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 2>on McCartney too. I don't say it's Paul McCartney. I

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>wait for somebody to go, what is this is bizarre,

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and you go, it's Paul McCartney in nineteen seventy nine

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and on the four track at home, and it completely

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>changes their opinion and sort of I've managed to infiltrate

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 2>some of that stuff at the shop. But again as well,

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I am still playing the weirdest Beatles affiliated records. The

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>only other one I play is Approximately Infinite Universe by

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Yo Coono as well, which is a genius record, absolutely brilliant,

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 2>but again, nobody ever knows that it's Yo Coo, and

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 2>then once on they do, people look like their face

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>drops when you tell it's It's like she's brilliant, She's

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Yokna was fantastic in every fucking way, but people just

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>have this sigma with her, where as soon as you

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 2>say it's a Yo ConA record, fuck fu shit. So

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 2>it is is stuff like that, and I think there

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is a WE play a lot of Bowie and stuff

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, and there's common threads of what it is,

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>but it's always we Like I started making a I

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 2>was asked to do some Spotify playlist or something, and

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't send it off. In the end, but I

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 2>started making one which was just all really successful artists,

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 2>but songs that you would never have heard of. The

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Frank Sinatra album Watertown that did terribly in nineteen sixty nine,

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 2>which sounds like pet sounds. It's incredible, but it's just

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>a completely unknown record.

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you send this off? You should have sent

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>this because I couldn't.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't quite get it to the amount that I

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.720
<v Speaker 2>wanted it. I want it to be like fifteen songs.

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I got to like thirteen twelve thirteen, and

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought it needs to be a bit longer, but

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try and do it. There's like a

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 2>song called Tapio Catundra by The Monkeys, which is on

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>their last album, which is brilliant, a Mike Nesmith song,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to remember the others. Like I managed

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 2>to get some really really like household names with just

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 2>songs that like, if I play them to people, I

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>can't believe this has been released, or it sounds nothing

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>like the people and just just weird B sides and

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But I'm always looking for that. So

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I always like the record that nobody likes of an artist.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 2>There was a like with the Kinks. There is this

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>record where Ray Davis made this TV musical in nineteen

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 2>seventy six about is called Starmaker or something, and Ray

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Davies goes and it's like live TV audience. The Kink's

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 2>playing on a stage in the background and he's acting,

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and he goes in and just knocks on this door

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>at this this couple's house. He invites himself and he's like,

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna turn your pathetic lives around and I'm going

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 2>to make you into a start ah and like it's

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>just insane, and he's so disparaging the whole way through.

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you look at this having toes for breakfast, pathetic?

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Do you not have any pati in? Like the whole

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.240
<v Speaker 2>record is this concept album of him just going your puny,

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 2>little terrible lives and it fills me with such great

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 2>joy and I play it to other people that this

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>is the worst Kings album and I could imagine it

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, it's genius, It's brilliant. So it is

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>always that kind of thing. It's like, you know, in

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the cover features to talk about how much I I

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>hate the Velvet Underground. Yeah, but just you know from

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the stigma that comes with him. But it's like the

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Lou Read album The Bells, which he did in nineteen

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine, which is all him trying to do. Yeah,

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:42.280
<v Speaker 2>funk album.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard that, brilliant Yeah, stupid me doing.

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 2>This mad singing, like really trying to sing. It's so awful.

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>But because it just sounds it sounds like a proper

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.919
<v Speaker 2>post punk crackle because it is. It sounds like something

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the pop group would do. But obviously he's not going

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>for that. He is going for that major label I

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 2>want to be a star thing, but it's coming off

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>like early Why Records sort of thing. It's just bizarre.

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 2>It's great and those sort of weird oddities are sort

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>of what I really love. And it's amazing that there's

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>so many that are out there that are still undiscovered

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 2>that are actually genuinely brilliant. That Frank Sinatra record, it's

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 2>not my favorite record ever. I'm not a huge Sinatra guy.

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I hate the whole stick really, to be honest, which

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>is weird as well. I've been doing encores where I

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>do That's life to a karaoke yeah back in I've

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>heard yeah, but yeah, it's it's just a bizarre everybody

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 2>should listen to it because it's just mad. It's really odd.

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 2>But I think that is the case with most of

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the people working there. It is fine. The most obscure

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>thing that is your identity. You have these records that

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.359
<v Speaker 2>nobody else has in the same way with like DJ

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>culture or whatever, and it's always like you want to

0:37:57.920 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>place that into your colleague that the colleague hasn't heard before,

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, that's brilliant, and now he'll do the

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>same and then, which is great and a great environment

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>to hear tons of music and sort of learn constantly

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:09.760
<v Speaker 2>about new start.

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Talking of McCartney, have you ever met Paul McCartney, I

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>wish if you did meet him, what did you have

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>any if anything you'd wanna what would you ask Paul

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>McCartney or Ringo? That's we put Ringo in there as well.

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to talk to Ringo because of the

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>whole Brexit shit. Ringo can go fuck himself. He's the

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>best drummer ever, but he can go fuck himself. McCartney,

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I think I would just talk about Secret Friend. I

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 2>think Secret Friend is the thing which fascinates me the

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.320
<v Speaker 2>most that he did. It was just an incredible record.

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Off is the single that went with that McCartney two record,

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and it is just like the beginnings of dance music

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. I think, I just I just

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>want to tell him how much I like it. I

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>don't really know what i'd say. We me and a

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine talked about getting Paul and Linda McCartney

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>tattoos on our forearms, like both having a portrait on

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>either charm of Paul and Linda. And it got to

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 2>the point where he'd even got a tattoo guy to

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 2>book let us get it for free as well. He'd

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.839
<v Speaker 2>like managed to wang it would get these tattoos for free,

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>and now I'm really glad. I'm very anti tattoos now

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 2>as well. But I was like, okay, let's do it.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 2>And then it got to the day when we were

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>going to do it, and I find him up. If

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I meet Paul McCartney at any point, I'm going to

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 2>have tire a long sleeve T shirt and I'm not

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 2>doing it. I'd want to be able to have my

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 2>arms on show. I don't want him to think I'm

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 2>with what if I just see him in the street.

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I want Paul to be able to see these arms

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>for what they are.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, I don't want him to judge me. And you know,

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 2>you would be like, what the fucking would discussion that

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>would really?

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure he's seen he must have seen

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Yeah, but I do wander because most

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>people that get those kind of things done would probably

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>be the opposite to that, and they would say, there's

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Paul McCartney. Quick, I'm going to take your shirt off.

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 1>You've got you've got his face on. He's not room.

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>He won't know it's there as you show him, expecting

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like that celebrity bea at Port, McConnel or whoever, to go,

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>oh wow, it.

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Must be in his mouth slightly every time he sees it.

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 2>It'd be horrible. I mean, like I mean, in terms

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 2>of me, I couldn't imagine what I think. It would

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 2>just be how has your day been? It would be

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 2>so minimal the conversation, because there's nothing I could say

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 2>that would come close to sort of explaining how excited

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I was that I was meeting him, And I wouldn't

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>want him to know. You know, I'm awful for that.

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 2>If I meet somebody I really like I'll be really

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.439
<v Speaker 2>really like sort of cool about it. Mark Riley once

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.959
<v Speaker 2>brought to Alex Say. Mark Riley once brought the entire

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 2>early lineup of The Fall, obviously apart from Mark Smith,

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to a Let's Wressel show, and I was fucking giddy.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is the coolest thing that's ever happened.

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm in South of playing this gig and nobody's apart

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>from all of The Fall, all of like live CHARALSI

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.720
<v Speaker 2>are a Fall. You must have been at about seventeen seventeen, okay,

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Steve Hanley, the bass players in it till like nineteen

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 2>ninety six. It's Mark and produced us. You know, after

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 2>doing lots of sessions with him. I yasmin my girlfriends

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>from Manchester and we when we go up for Christmas,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>we off and have a drink with Mark Bradley. We

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.399
<v Speaker 2>did a couple of years ago, and you know, he's

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 2>become a pal. And Steve Hanley was like talking about

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, Mark says, you really like Paul McCartney

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and uh, Paul McCartney and Wings, And then they all

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 2>started laughing liking Wings, and then I think I said

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Wings shit all over The Fall and it just ruined

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>it for myself, and they all just looked at me

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>like what is wrong with you? Like like just took

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>it too far, And I was like, oh, no, I've

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 2>just slagged off one of my favorite bands in the world.

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I've just off to their faces, all my favorite members

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Fall, I have just slagged off to their faces.

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 2>And it was awful. And I since then, I think

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just very unassuming with it because I know I

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>have the capability to completely fuck it up and be horrible,

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>and just like I get very defensive.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I would have thought that they would have thought that

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 1>was hilarious and been like, amazing, amazing, good on your kids.

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I think they probably did find it quite funny.

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>But I think the panic of hearing myself say it

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 2>means I can't even remember the reaction. I said something

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>along those lines, maybe not as extreme, but it was

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>definitely something disparaging about them, and it was just really

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think it was also the thing of like

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I was super like punk guy then as well, It's like,

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 2>what's the most punk way I can react to this?

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I can really fucking go for yeah, and like it

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>was just and I think I was did Mark Riley's

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>show on Wednesday, and I was he was talking to me.

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>He was talking about me and Mike from the band

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>having a fist fight, seeing us having a fist fight

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>outside the Star and Garter where we met all of them,

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 2>And I think it was me saying that. He was

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 2>then like getting he was getting angry. How could you

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>say that to the fall having this fist fight outside

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 2>because they was so stressed out that I said it,

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:11.720
<v Speaker 2>And you're.

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Like they slagged off Paula.

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, nobody's watch.

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't care who you are, don't care if you

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>are in the full Do you believe in like guilty

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>pleasures in music? Do you not see? I know that

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't write, but I think I do, and I

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 1>think I actually think that quite it's quite good to

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>have guilty pleasures. I mean, it's a weird thing, isn't it,

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Because the idea is essentially obviously that you shouldn't feel

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>good about the music you like, you like what you like,

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that you shouldn't apologize for it at all. But the

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>other day I was listening to sixteen Stone by Bush

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>in my car and I was very thankful that there

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>was no one else in the car when I was

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.080
<v Speaker 1>enjoying that because I also listened to it. I'm not

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>listen to it for a long time. Remember it as

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a teenager and loved it and listened back to it

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and I realized this was only yesterday. I realized just

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>how appalling it is, and especially the lyrics of it.

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the lyrics are so nonsensical. And it got

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 1>me thinking about Gavin Rossdale. I'd seen him on TV

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>recently and he was appalling and he did. He wasn't called,

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.280
<v Speaker 1>he didn't come across, he had no kind of humor

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 1>about it.

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>He's not the one, is he.

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>He's not the guy, not at all as he was

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>marketed to us. And I was thinking, yeah, this is

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>a guilty pleasure me listening to this is that's a

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>good thing. And I think that's okay because I'm aware

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 1>of the fact it's crap.

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 2>But I think that the what's different for me is

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>that I'm just never I don't ever feel guilty. I

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>don't have any over guilt, full stop. I don't have guilty. No,

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm an incredibly guilty person. It's the one thing I'm

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 2>not guilty about. But it's I really don't I've never

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.879
<v Speaker 2>been embarrassed about anything that I like, and I think

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm very confident in the fact that even if it's

0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 2>something that's naff, I can point out what's a good song,

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 2>what in it is a good what you like about it,

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>because I have this weird thing where it's like I'm

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 2>a music fan, but then I have this songwriter brain

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 2>that even if I don't like something, I can appreciate

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>the songwriting behind it. I can appreciate why people like it.

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that makes me angry is when I

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>can't hear any merit in it, Like it sounds horrible.

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't like it, and it's poorly written, which is

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 2>very common, you know, So I don't if I even

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 2>if I don't like it at first, I can still

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>see past it and sort of get a couple of

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 2>bits where it's like that bit's good. I remember there

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was this Maximo Park song in like two thousand and seven,

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and I remember I really didn't like the whole song

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>apart from one section.

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Is the big one, the big single, It was like.

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>The second album. It's it was when he had the

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 2>bowler hat, not the comb over. I'm with you the

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>video where they're in a white room and there's they're

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>just doubled. There's loads of them. Okay, do you remember that?

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I remember seven.

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 2>And there was Yeah. I really just didn't get the

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 2>song until this one bit came in. And I really

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 2>like songs like that, where like there'll be one little

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 2>segment that I like and then the rest of it

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I just hate. And I remember we were at Glastonbury.

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 2>We kept on seeing these bands that, like, other people

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to see and I didn't want to see. And

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>then it would come to one song and I'd pick

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:41.800
<v Speaker 2>out like three phrases and go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>hate it. And it's sort of I do bits like that.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.280
<v Speaker 2>But but with stuff like that, you know, I openly

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 2>love Billy Joel. You know, there is there's people that

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I openly I don't care if people think it's ship.

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 2>It is just they're wrong. It's they're wrong. It's really good.

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>The Stranger by Billy Joel is a brilliant record, always

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>will be. There is no there is no room for

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 2>maneuvering with it. And Billy Joel's the only person I

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 2>can really think of right now that I actually think

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 2>people could see is a guilty thing people a while ago.

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember when we first started making music, Electric Light

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Orchestra was like one. People were not into Yellow. But

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I've always loved DLO. But now they seem hip again.

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Now everyone's in them. Yeah.

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now it's not a guilty thing at all to

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:23.240
<v Speaker 2>like Yellow.

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It's the same with Fleetwood Mac, wasn't it. Yeah, remember,

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>like everybody, there used to be a time when hearing

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a Fleetwood Mac tune in a shop would be like

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:32.279
<v Speaker 1>a little treat.

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Now you can't go into any you can't go into

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>vintage clothes shop without them playing.

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.839
<v Speaker 2>It is the most vintage clothes shop music I've ever heard.

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it has become that, because I

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>remember when I first started going to vintage clothes shops

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 2>it would always be like that rip it up and

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 2>start again in compilation from that Simon Reynolds book or

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.839
<v Speaker 2>something like that would be scratchy post punk. And now

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 2>it is just Fleetwood Mac all the time. Fleetwood Mac

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>or UK garage.

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that's because the whole the nineties things coming.

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Back a big way. Yeah, and I love a bit

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 2>of UK garage. There's nothing wrong with that. I think

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 2>it was was it Tusk? I think that's the very

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Tusk because again because it wasn't rumors it was, you know,

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>because it's slightly different, and Tusk is a weird record

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 2>as well, the fact that Lindsay Bucking changes the studio

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:21.879
<v Speaker 2>to make it like a home studio.

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's weird that on the sleeve he is thanked

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>by the band.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not seen.

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Fleetwood would like to thank Lindsay.

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:31.720
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to thank myself.

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>That's that's nuts, isn't it. It's nuts thanking yourself in

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the third person, and.

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:37.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of cocaine.

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like they signed off on that. He must have

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:43.879
<v Speaker 1>said I'd like you to thank me for my work

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 1>on this and they went okay.

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>So did they have individual thanks then?

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 1>No, it's just him.

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Mac would like to thank Lindy.

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I think so, yeah, that's I might be right. I

0:48:55.200 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>mean I might be paraphrasing, but he is especially picked out. No, no, no, no,

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 1>it's all him.

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:02.280
<v Speaker 2>She's a witch anyway.

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>So Greg, who I work with here. A couple of

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>years ago, we were at Primavera sound. You were there,

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 1>not playing, but he overheard you telling a story to

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>your friends, which he then related to me, is like,

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>oh I think he text that are it's about you?

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:30.720
<v Speaker 1>It was about you going for a job yeah sports Direct?

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah that is a good story.

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, that's a pretty much clean story, right.

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm a foul mouth piece of ship, so

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm worried that it could be anything. Yeah, that I

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 2>was signing on and this is when I was doing

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:49.759
<v Speaker 2>that wrestle and I was signing on, and I've been

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>signing on for a while, and it got there. I've

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 2>been putting his work program and it was like, you're

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>going to lose your benefits if you don't go for

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>this job interview at sports Direct?

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Which branch?

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Are we talking the fucking Stratford or Westfield? Miserable? So

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I went and I went to this office where you

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>went and did the They basically watched you look for jobs,

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>basically was what they were doing. They were like, Okay,

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>meet here, we're all going to take you. It was

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 2>me and three drug dealers basically going to this job

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>interview at swarts Direct, one of which I was talking

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to and he was like, yeah, I used to be

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a manager at JJB Sports And I was like Okay, perfect,

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 2>he's got it, but in actually I haven't fully it in.

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Before I even went, I made sure that I'd been

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 2>up all night drinking in the clothes I was going

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>to wear, so I smelled of booze. I really didn't

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.879
<v Speaker 2>want the job. So I was getting fucking ship face,

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 2>wearing a brown corduroy's suit with a psychedelic green shirt.

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.759
<v Speaker 2>And I turned up at this thing with a I

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 2>think a baseball cap, a green yeah, brown cord oroy

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.120
<v Speaker 2>suit and just looking like dressed like Sid Barrett. It was,

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was just thinking, what's the weirdest look

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I can go for? And they went, they took us.

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 2>We all went on the train with this job center worker.

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Me and all the guys had like three phones, so

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 2>it's obvious they're all dealers and none of them, none

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 2>of us want this job.

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>One of them is like, yeah, you're all trying to

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 1>throw the job in a slightly different way.

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:24.360
<v Speaker 2>And he yeah. One of the guys talking to me,

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I used to be a manager at sports. I was like, okay,

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 2>that's calm me down a bit. I went into the

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 2>back room for this interview. I was the last person

0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to be interviewed as well. I went in and the

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:39.760
<v Speaker 2>question started with like, first off, are you interested in sports?

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I go not really, not really my kind of thing,

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, is there any sports are interested?

0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And I said dark. I was like, I do like

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.320
<v Speaker 2>watching darts over Christmas when it's on the BBC. But

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>it's not like I'm getting going out of my way

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 2>to watch darts, but when it's on BBC, I watch

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.640
<v Speaker 2>it because I like the darts. He was like, he said,

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.400
<v Speaker 2>we've got a dark section and nobody knows about darts.

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Ah fuck. You know. It started going downhill and he

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, so what have you done? Is like I

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>used to work in a record shop. I and I

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>was saying, you know, i'd done this fanzine when I

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 2>was younger, and I used to do fanzines. And I'm

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.840
<v Speaker 2>really interested in art. Was the thing. I kept on saying,

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm really interested in art, just to basically tell him

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not interested in this. I'm really interested in art.

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 2>And then it got to the point where he was like, Okay,

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 2>let's give you a couple of scenarios. What happens. You've

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>got retail experience, you know, you got retail experience.

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>So this is quite good, like he really wants to

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>help you in a way.

0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I realized that I'm just trying to get out of

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 2>this as quickly as he says, all right, I can

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:53.439
<v Speaker 2>give you a scenario. There's a shoplifter in the shop.

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.879
<v Speaker 2>What is going to happen here? And I just went,

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 2>you just got to get them at the shop. And

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 2>then I said, the last thing you want is a

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>shoplifter in your shop. Get him out. And that was

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 2>my answer to the question. And then he said and

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 2>then right at the end he said, I think maybe

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 2>you should concentrate. No, before he said that, he said,

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 2>what does he say? Once said, I'm going to get

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:28.560
<v Speaker 2>my bearings. He said, okay, so you'll be glad to

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 2>hear you were the best candidate of the day. So

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>he said, you're the best candidate of the day. And

0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just thinking, what the fuck of those other guys done?

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck of they said? They're all wearing pinstrip,

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:44.240
<v Speaker 2>so it's at least they're dressed properly, and I stink

0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a booze dressed like Sid Barrett doesn't matter any fucking

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 2>said you're the best of the day, and I was

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:51.800
<v Speaker 2>just like going no, don't give me a job please,

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and then finally went, now, I think you should concentrate

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 2>on the art was what he said. And I got

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.680
<v Speaker 2>out of it, thank fucking Christ. And that was I

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, I have to get a job now because

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:02.919
<v Speaker 2>like and now I've got a job in the pub.

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 2>That ended up making me make this record. But it

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.160
<v Speaker 2>was nightmarish.

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you think maybe they thought, oh, bless this guy.

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they thought I was an odd ball.

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 2>They knew the guy. There was stuff I was saying.

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had it recorded. I wish I like

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>put a tape record in my pod because I knew

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I was going to do it and it would have

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 2>made a brilliant like if I turn it into an

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 2>article or something like that, it would have been great.

0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 2>But I should have recorded it. But I didn't have

0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the foresight too. But he was just looking at me like,

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 2>this guy is deranged. What he's saying makes this is

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the worst interview. But again, how bad could those other

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>guys have been. One of them would managed a JJB sports.

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how it could have gone that badly.

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 2>It was really just really really fucking strange, and then

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>having this miserable journey back with the woman from the

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 2>job center a bit pissed off with me as.

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know she's seen this before. She could tell

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that you just threw it.

0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 2>He knew that I was doing something, and there must

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 2>be so many sort of art people on the dole

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 2>who were sort of trying to get stuff done. Another

0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine who was also signing on around a

0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 2>similar time, he went in and he like, I never

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>said I was a musician or anything like that. He

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 2>told them, Yeah, I'm I'm looking for a job in

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm a musician, you see, so I'm looking for job

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:29.879
<v Speaker 2>sort of to do with that. And then the bloke

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>went okay, all right, and then went and what he's like,

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:34.839
<v Speaker 2>just give me, give me five minutes, and then went

0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>over and talked to his coworker and he my mate

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 2>could see them both really laughing at him, pointing at

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 2>him and laughing at and it kept on going on,

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and they all had a really weird attude to him

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 2>after he said that, and it came out a couple

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 2>of weeks later that they thought he said Magicians.

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Midnight Chats is a loud and quiet podcast. Music courtesy

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 1>of gold Panda Search Midnight Chats on iTunes for more

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>episodes and to subscribe. For more information, visit loudan Quiet

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>dot com.