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Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.400 Previously on Wiscrack. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.639 So after joining met with Brett's dad, she came at 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.280 me with all these questions, really serious ones like did 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.520 I insert myself into this whole story for attention, fame, glory, money, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.000 a free Tesla, an exclusive Nando's black card, maybe just 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.440 to finally get on the prices right, which, by the way, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.600 I would crush except. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.200 Only during the Bob Barker era. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:05.880 Rest in peace for a real one, Drew Carey, I 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.200 love you, mate, but the soul left with the skinny mic. Anyway, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.800 After she threw all that at me, after she made 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.640 some pretty good points, I told her to fuck off, 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.560 which makes this all a little bit awkward. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:20.600 Why am I still here? 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.160 Why am I doing a recap for a podcast that 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.800 might have just exposed me as a pathological liar with 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.119 a flair for murder adjacent stand up material. I don't know, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.160 but you're here, I'm here, We're here, So let's both 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.080 just shut up and finish the story, shall we? 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.960 Strap in? This is the final episode of Wisecrack Never 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:49.480 sing you look and love was right. I don't know 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:55.760 the rest of the words. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.080 As he drove me to Heathrow, Ed was quiet, processing 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.160 everything we'd been through on this trip. We said our 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.840 goodbyes and he told me he needed some time, that 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.200 he'd reach out. But after arriving back in Atlanta, days 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.919 turned into weeks turned into months, not a word from Ed. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.760 I was starting to accept that confronting him about that 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.320 night was all too much for Ed, that he had 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.040 decided to put it all behind him, including me. But 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.040 like all those years ago, out of the blue he 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.560 reached out. Ed was ready to perform the set again, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.400 but this time with the full picture in mind, using 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.480 all the real names and a different venue. 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:42.680 Hi. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.639 I'm Jody Tovey. I'm one of the many folks who 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.800 were putting on the show tonight. I'll be really brief. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.120 I am not the opener. You can't find an opener 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.720 for this. A couple of years back, I went to 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.200 the Fringe Festival in Scotland. I don't know if anyone's been, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.040 but it's amazing. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.960 He wanted to perform outside the long shadows of Stanstead. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:05.480 Ed wanted to come to me. So we're in for 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:06.120 a real treat. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.200 But this is the US premiere, So you guys are 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.639 the first people in America hearing the set. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.520 We sold it out, set the mic and turned on 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.359 the lights. So in Lanta, give it up for Ed Hedges. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.200 Then I let Ed Hedges take the stage, having no 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:38.560 idea what he was about to say. I'm Jody Tovey 0:03:39.240 --> 0:04:01.480 and this is wisecrack to episode six, Hold for laughter, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.920 My last night in Stanstead. Well, it wasn't the farewell 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.200 either of us had in mind. Ed was pissed at 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.080 me for doubting some elements of his story, and I 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.040 was miffed that he thought I'd just forego those essential questions. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.640 I knew calmer heads would prevail, but I only had 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.200 a few hours left in England. Though we had some 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.080 bruised feelings. Both Ed and I knew we weren't the 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.640 victims of the story. Any quibbling over unknowable details would 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.640 never bring back Jillian, David or Brett. The only way 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.440 to honor their memories was to get Ed back on stage. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.160 Armed with the new knowledge we had worked so hard 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.320 to uncover. Ed needed to recount his experiences with new 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.200 audiences and share with us how he had healed from 0:04:49.279 --> 0:05:00.200 the scariest night of his life. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:02.400 Mine's Ed. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.120 I woke up to that noise coming from my front 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.479 door on the twenty second of July twenty fifteen. And 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.760 we're going to talk about that in a minute. But first, hello, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.040 it's nice to be here in Atlanta. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.479 You're all very nice. I've enjoyed my time here. This 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:20.960 is already my. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.960 Favorite city on the face of the earth, because you're lovely, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.480 but you're weird as shit, like you're wonderful weird people. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.160 Oh, Walmart, that is the best place on earth? Right. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.240 Do you have any idea how long it would take 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.400 you in the UK to go to a garden center, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.960 food court, a clothes shop, a bike shop and a zoo. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:48.320 That is mad. It's wonderful, lovely, people. It's good to 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:48.680 be here. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.760 Thank you for coming. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.880 I'm gonna tell you a story, right am. I'm from 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.880 a really rayal background in England. Originally, I'm not from 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.919 a big city. I'm from a very countryside area, rural family. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.359 My dad is a farmer, my mom is a cousin. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:08.440 So I was bullied. I was bullied a lot throughout 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.839 my school years. And I got on the bus and 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.880 go into school with like a ripped tie and school 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.159 uniform and the teachers and be like. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.000 Oh, what we're going to do with you. Let's say 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:22.160 stop the bullying please, But they didn't and didn't stop 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:22.640 the bullying. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.200 Like riding a bike, Ed remembers exactly how to steer 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.839 his set. Though he's older. He tells his childhood stories 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.120 with the same wide eyed awe that I witnessed in 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.960 Edinburgh almost a decade ago. The comedy was mostly the same, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.000 but the comedian was relaxed, self aware, at peace. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:45.920 And also another thing on top of that is I 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.119 was a really chubby kid. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.920 But I noticed there were a few new stories I've 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.159 never heard before. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:53.800 I was a bigger kid. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.680 I was quite a large kid, and I realized that 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.760 I had to lose weight after I started comedy. Actually, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.240 I got booked to do a gig in Ireland and 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.279 I stayed at a hostel. I didn't know what hostel 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:03.640 was at the time. I thought it was a hotel 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:04.880 owned by a dyslexic man. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.720 But it's not. It is not people of Atlanta. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.520 It's a concrete room with bunk beds where nightmares live. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.640 I was. I was two hundred and fifty pounds at 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.840 the time. I got to the hostel and I got 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.920 the last bit available. It was a top bunk above 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:24.120 an eighty year old woman named Ingrid. Yeah, correct response. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.320 That doesn't work, doesn't it? That math doesn't work. I 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.160 got to the hostel, the hostel and showed me the bed, 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:30.720 took one look at me, took one look at the 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.240 bed and went, no, we're not doing this. What's gonna 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.760 happen here is you're gonna fall through that bed and 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.000 you're gonna kill her on impact. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.480 So we're not rolling this dice tonight. Mate. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.120 He said, what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna move you 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:45.880 to the bottom bunk. I'm gonna move Ingrid to the 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.240 top bunk. I'll tell her when she gets back from 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.440 her day trip. Everything will be fine. So there's a 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:55.040 great plan. I said, that is a good plan. Have 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.160 a ninety year old woman climb up a bunk bed 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:03.640 because my ass is too perfect. Okay, okay, And that 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.960 was a good plan technically, And that plan would have 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:10.760 worked if he'd have told Ingrid, which he didn't. So 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:16.240 I got back pretty late at night, quite drunk. I'll 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.160 here about you guys, but I like to jump into bed. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:18.840 How do you feel? 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:29.360 She had these big white eyes, and I should have said, Ingrid, look, 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:30.200 I'm very sorry. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.280 My name is Ed. I'm not a threat. There's been 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:33.679 a clerical error here. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.240 He said you'd be on the top bunk and I 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:38.640 would be on the bottom bunk. I'm too heavy to 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.560 sleep on the top bunk. I'll get the host loaner. Now, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.840 he'll explain everything to you. You're perfectly safe and this 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.360 is all gonna be fine. That is what I should 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:45.040 have said to Ingrid. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:50.360 I panicked. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.160 I panicked and said the only words I had in 0:08:54.200 --> 0:09:06.680 my little brain, which was Ingrid, I didn't do that. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.360 I didn't do that. I didn't do that. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:18.760 I leant into a tiny geriatric face, real close, and 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:24.600 I said, Ingrid, I am too big to go on 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:31.559 top tonight, right, which. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.000 Kind of makes sense, But also no I would say 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.200 that to an old woman at. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.200 So when I turned at and I started comedy, and 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:42.400 I moved away from the village. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:43.200 I moved to London. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.920 So in twenty fifteen, I'm sitting in my apartment in London, 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.640 minding my own business. I'm sitting in an apartment and I 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.240 get a call. I get a phone call from our 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.640 town counselor from the village. Now I've not been back 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.480 to my home village in years. At this point, my 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.000 brothers both moved out of the village, and my family 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.120 meet at their house. And I've got two brother one 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.839 brother called Jack, who's married to an American, and one 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.800 brother called Sam, who had cancer when he was young. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:17.160 But he's a racist, so it's fine. He rolled the 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:25.880 dice he lost. That is my favorite line in the show. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.800 A call from the town counselor. And they called me 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.440 and they said, ed, we're raising money for the school, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:33.920 and we've. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.520 Seen in newspapers on the internet. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.199 You're gigging all over the place, and we'd love it 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.640 if you'd consider coming back and closing the gig for us. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.000 So I said, yeah, I would love to come. I 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.120 would love to perform. So I go back. I go 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.880 back to the village and I do the gig, and 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.920 it's wonderful because I had such a bad experience living 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.760 there that I just kind of shut it out completely. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:57.040 I finished the. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.800 Gig and I walked back through all the streets, so 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.400 I used to walk down as a kid. So when 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.480 I get to my house, I go upstairs and I 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:03.240 go to bed. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:04.800 I wake up. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.600 I'd only been asleep for about twenty minutes, and at 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:12.000 the end of my bed someone is standing. It's my mum, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.760 and I go to say mom was going on? And 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.840 before I can, she says the words to me, whatever 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.720 you do, do not turn on the lights. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.000 It's always unsettling to watch a new audience hear that 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.079 line for the first time. You can practically feel the 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.439 rooms skin crawl. In unison, as Ed describes the eight 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.760 minutes that changed his life, mine cross too even now. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:42.600 But tonight my uneasiness comes from a different place. After 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.240 I challenged him on some of the discrepancies in his 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.400 set that last night and stands Dead, Ed was barely 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.520 speaking to me. So before we left for the airport, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.800 I texted him. I told Ed it didn't really matter 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.720 if he ever spoke to me again. He needed to 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.760 hear everything I learned. I asked him if he could 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.160 meet me at Jillian's favorite bench overlooking the green, the 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.320 small yard shared by Ed's and Brett's childhood homes. There 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.439 I would lay out everything I'd uncovered about his childhood. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:26.360 Bully, We're on her bench, aren't we. This is where 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:27.400 she liked to drink and chill. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.719 That's what your mom told me, that she would sit 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.839 here and make phone calls. I'm just going to show 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:44.040 you something for context. This is his rap sheet, and 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.319 that was only twelve years of his life. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.600 This is close to m Everyone was scared of him. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:53.600 Shit, this is. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:03.760 There's a chronology of his arrests here. Twelve and thirteen 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.400 was actually the age when things That's why it starts there, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.120 when he started to get into trouble. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.320 So right when I was getting bullied. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:16.440 Yes, yeah, I mean he was in trouble quite a 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:21.280 bit for drugs, theft, violence. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:22.760 It's long lot of thirteen. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.720 He was doing drugs, yeah, Thus. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.920 And did he have his temper then? Oh, Yeah, so 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.280 I'm lucky. You get it. You're lucky. It was just donuts. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.560 He was in trouble over twenty times with the law 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:44.640 across twelve years and had all kinds of opportunities with 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.560 various professionals forced by the trouble that he caused, and 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.840 no one ever diagnosed him with anything specific. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.200 Why why does that happen? 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:55.360 I don't know. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.920 At that At that stage, it feels like an active 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.000 choice to not because they would have been aware. They 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:04.880 would've been aware. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.120 The Essex Police were very aware that Brett was trouble. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:15.480 So two thousand seven he was actually expelled from school, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:16.920 so he never officially graduated. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.600 Did you know that? Didn't he He never finished school? 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.600 No, he did take the equivalent of an exam that 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:23.880 would give you a certificate. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:26.040 I didn't know that. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.200 Yeah, he was expelled. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:28.400 Wow. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.800 And then in twenty ten, and this was the only 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:36.080 time that he ever sought long term mental health care, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:42.760 his private doctor referred him over to Essex University for 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.320 some of his psychosis issues. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:50.240 Psychosis issues, Yeah, it was reported that he was hearing 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.920 voices that he thought the radio was talking to him, 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.040 so he would have conversations with the radio. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.760 So he he's he's he's no, no, sorry, yeah, no 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:05.400 one said that. Psychological issues. But he is hearing voices. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:06.920 He's claiming he has voices. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.560 From It's worse than that, actually, So he threatened to 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.480 murder his best friend and their family, which was one 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.000 of the inciting incidents that put him in this care 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:16.680 at Essex University. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.480 Really, well, who is his best friend? 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.280 That doesn't say in the reports. I also thought it 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.640 could maybe be Sam because of the timeframe. I scan 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.880 Ed's eyes to see how he's reacting. I don't think 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.400 the possibility ever crossed his mind. Brett's best friend surely 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.880 belonged to the small world of the boys in Bentfield Gardens, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.760 someone within Ed's orbit. The fact that it could have 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.320 been his brother, Sam, I can tell, is shaking him. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.120 Continuing on, I remind ed that later Rhett had served 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.680 time in prison for beating his father, but upon his release, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.920 he had nowhere to go except his mom's house. It 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.840 was a really bad time, I'm In the fall of 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:08.040 twenty eleven, Jill had called the police Brett had threatened 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.320 to rape her or kill her multiple times, multiple calls. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.560 Pete also called the police during that time because Brett 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.120 was threatening to kill himself, so they were kind of 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.320 going back and forth between their houses. I believe at 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.480 this point, what the fuck. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:25.720 Is them all? 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:32.080 There's much more so in twenty twelve, Jill calls the 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.120 police again and explicitly says her son is trying to 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:41.960 kill her. And as Pete had explained, she was making 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.040 him live in the car outside of there in the 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.480 garage because she was afraid for her life. So she 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.120 let him live at her house but not inside the house. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.680 Wow. Yeah, so she must have. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.440 Been so terrified. She must have been so to lock 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:01.600 her own son in the garden. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.320 Yeah, but also didn't want to give put him out 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:06.760 on the street. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.000 And she has no option, thoughts to do that because 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.720 no one's helping her, no one's protecting her. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:22.959 So at this point, he is meeting regularly with a 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:28.520 state mandated check in. The last appointment that he made 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.160 was at the end of June. It was the final 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.800 week of June, and Pete took him to that appointment 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.919 and the officer wasn't there. She was on vacation at 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.920 the time, so the final appointment, no one was there 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.920 to check in. And then twenty two days later he 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:50.240 killed two people. This one you're going to I've been 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.120 loaths to tell you this, but it's absolutely true. So 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.919 they did an assessment after Brett got out of prison, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.960 and in the assessment it said that the reason that 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.840 he had so many issues was because he was bullied 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:05.520 in school. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.920 No, he said, the two issues. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.359 That he had that caused all of his behavior disorders 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.920 were because of bullying and dyslexia. 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:25.160 And he was bullying a kid that had dyslexia. Everything 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.280 he could me through. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.040 And he was doing he had the same issues. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:37.560 That's so weird to think that's really okay. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:44.200 Yeah, he he he literally bullied me continuously. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.479 Because he was being bullied. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.520 So he was giving the life that he supposedly had 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:54.480 to someone else. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:19:03.480 That's he was always the thought. I never saw my thoughts. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.879 I had some professionals and experts look over his rap sheet. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.760 Everyone seems to point to the fact that this is 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.040 not a person who is out. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.520 Of control of their emotions. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.119 It was not that he was evil or a monster 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:24.400 inside and couldn't control himself. There was an inciting incident 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.800 that caused this. Something happened that night that set him off, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.199 And it wasn't just like you know, tripping over a 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.760 curb or getting a flat tire. It was something that 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.720 was a long held belief that had just been pulled 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.800 out from under him. It had to have been something 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.480 of that level in order to have committed such. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:47.480 A bloody crime. It was the show. I think it's possible. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.160 What do you think? Do you think it seems too coincidental? 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.240 Because I don't really know what to think that in 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.800 my majority, I'll be honest with you, posters would have 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.040 been I've known that from day one. I'll be honest 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.000 with you, I've I've known that he knew I was 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.159 here from day one. You've known that I've always been. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.159 I didn't wanna say that to you because I just 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.600 don't really wanna think of the idea that he that 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.719 it could be linked. But you can't not see posts 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.200 of me, that there was a wall of me in 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:25.880 the train station for a month, the Rickling Stalford Bishops, 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.720 like Bishop Stalford Stance did. My face was literally everywhere 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.320 on every single notice board in every single park. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.119 He definitely knew. And I'm I, I, I. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:45.560 Ah, this is this is crazy, this is really I've 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.359 got a lot of questions over whether it was me 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:54.560 being there that night. This place like Phil's creakier. Now 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.960 I know that I have to be honest. I don't 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.280 mind thinking that he was creeping through the dark right 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:06.119 over there, and that I was asleep right there. What 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:07.840 if I'd have stayed for two more points at the 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:12.560 gig takes about what ten minutes to drink a pint? 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:13.920 He made the call at what time? 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:14.359 Eleven? 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.720 I must have got home at half ten, Far closer 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.320 to this happening than I thought. I thought I was 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.639 asleep for like three hours when this happened, I was 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.080 asleep for probably twenty minutes. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:29.840 So one one more drink or a slightly longer conversation. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.240 As I was leaving the room, I would have bumped 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.479 into my childhood bully when he was covered in blood 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:37.760 outside of my house. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:41.120 How creepy is that. 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.320 He was laughing, which means he wasn't at my house 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.960 like scared. He wasn't banging on my door scared if 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.439 he had no remorse for it. So that makes me 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.119 think he was at my front door, and he was 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.920 at my house in an aggressive way, just killed two 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:05.800 people and more stopping you like go for glory. We 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:11.640 all got so fucking lucky. I'm trying to figure out 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:17.680 how I feel right now, and it's like flicking between 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.639 like I feel sorry for this kid cause he was 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.640 going through the same thing as me and he had 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:28.200 these mental health issues, and then also like a tremendous 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:33.640 amount of fuck you do it's it's it is upsetting, 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.640 you know. I didn't think any of this would really 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:42.600 get to me. I didn't realize he had dyslex yet. 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:48.399 I didn't realize he had any trouble with bullies. He 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:53.360 was like the pinnacle of what I thought a kid 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:58.920 in our age should be. Yeah, that's so shitty as well. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:01.359 I didn't don't whether I'm supposed to feel bad for 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:06.560 him right now. I've always been really hesitant to uh 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.000 bring myself into this story at all. Yeah, Like, even 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.280 when I was telling the story, Uh, I didn't really 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.360 like to put myself in the end of it too much. 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.120 I remember I I. 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:22.320 I really had to be tracked into it, and I 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:23.960 think quite a few times I didn't even say how 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:29.640 I felt. But so when I first started his story 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:36.199 in Edinburgh, I can remember strongly saying to you that 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:42.000 it wasn't it wasn't linked And I don't know whether 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.000 I believe or not. I'm certainly not saying that it was. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:50.840 But it's too coincidental, Like why that night, why my house? 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:52.399 Why would you knock on my house? 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:57.600 I came here to like suck things out. I thought 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.399 the small town I can figure this out, And in 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:01.880 fact I'm kind of a little. 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.440 Bit more confused. No one's also, do you think that's 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.119 the problem. I think it's always been the problem. I 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.560