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Speaker 1: Man hour one on a Monday, flew by We are Live,

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Speaker 1: We're Chicago. It is The Herd. Good stuff with Matt

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Speaker 1: Hassel back in about four or five minutes. Training camps

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Speaker 1: are underway. Training camps are different depending on the roster.

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Speaker 1: You got a young team and there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: them out there. Very interesting stuff. J Max, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten overtaking the SEC, and a lot of it is

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Speaker 1: the Big ten campuses. There's more students, they graduate, it's

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Speaker 1: easier to raise nil money. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: top two teams in the SEC map nil spending, it's

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Speaker 1: Texas and Texas m that's not the SEC, that's Texas economy.

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Speaker 1: And so if you look at the Big ten, Oregon's

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Speaker 1: got money, USC's got money, Michigan's got money. Ohio State's

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Speaker 1: got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's why the Big Ten is going

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Speaker 1: to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter.

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Speaker 1: Now it's about paying the players, and the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more

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Speaker 1: elite players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: By the way, do you remember early last year. I

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Speaker 4: think it was like August in early September. A lot

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Speaker 4: of SEC teams were losing games, and I think we

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Speaker 4: talked about it at the time in the SEC fans, Oh,

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Speaker 4: it's early, We're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 5: They're definitely not fine.

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Speaker 4: I thought your car dealership point first hour was really

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Speaker 4: spot on, Like car dealership money is great free NIL.

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Speaker 4: Now in the NIL ere there's so much bigger money

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Speaker 4: at play with some of these other universities. The Texas

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Speaker 4: Tech example, colin It got a few billionaire Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you took the long Horns and the Aggies out

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Speaker 1: of the SEC, the gap in spending between the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten and the SEC would be even larger. Mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like the Longhorns in A and M's. That's the Texas economy.

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Speaker 1: The Texas economy. It's one of the biggest economies in

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Speaker 1: the world. It's a monster. That's a whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 1: Saban knew this very early when the NIL money started.

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Speaker 1: He grumbled year one, you go back and look at

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Speaker 1: those quotes, and I said it on the air. He

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Speaker 1: is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete.

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Speaker 1: Sark's roster second year of the NIL was nix roster

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Speaker 1: three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys. Here we go

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Speaker 1: on a Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong. Let's roll it.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Ah, the offensively tone def Steelers Mike Tomlin can't help himself.

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Speaker 1: Gave TJ. Watt the biggest non quarterback contract in the league.

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Speaker 1: They will once again lead the NFL in defensive spending.

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Speaker 1: It's not the player, but they paid Jalen Ramsey, they

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Speaker 1: played Darius Slay, they paid TJ. Watt. Yet they can't

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Speaker 1: get their offensive line right. They let No she Harris go.

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Speaker 1: It's not that Mike Tomlin's on a good coach. This

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Speaker 1: organization spends too much money. Billy doesn't, Rams don't. Niners

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Speaker 1: let defensive guys go. Kansas City doesn't pay defense.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh does. Where Colin was wrong, just when.

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Speaker 1: I gave the WNBA players credit for in a private

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Speaker 1: poll naming Kitlin Clark is the face of the league

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Speaker 1: going forward. And then Kelsey Plumb comes out takes a

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Speaker 1: shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't present for

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Speaker 1: you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations. She said,

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Speaker 1: but she said, you know, nobody from team Caitlyn Clark

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Speaker 1: was present. Can we stop? You guys are flying private.

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Speaker 1: There's one reason Caitlin Clark. Somebody joined the band that's

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Speaker 1: roy popular. You're traveling in style. Give it a.

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Speaker 2: Break where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: NFL executives, scouts and coaches last week ranked Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: I love Jalen Hurts, He's not an elite pocket thrower. Consistently,

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Speaker 1: where Colin was right, well, I said, Penn State I've

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Speaker 1: set up for the last month is the best team

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Speaker 1: And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by

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Speaker 1: bring back the best two players in the sport says

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Speaker 1: something Where Colin was raw. I sold my shader Sanders

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Speaker 1: have more self awareness.

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Speaker 2: But Mary K.

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Speaker 1: Cabot reported this week that because he performed so well

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The ESPN rankings of the top rosters this year in

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Speaker 1: had more elite rosters. I thought Philadelphia's roster was the best,

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Speaker 1: Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third. Seven of the top twelve

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their

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Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years,

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Speaker 1: If free agents love Miami, one team can't finalize their

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Speaker 1: They moved Otani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching

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Speaker 1: seventy five Reds. They officially can't hit where Colin was right. Well,

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Speaker 1: Bradley Beal went to the Clippers, and Jason McIntyre said,

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Speaker 1: despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre. And with that

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Speaker 1: a Monday, It's Matt Hasselbeck. Eighteen year NFL season. So

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Speaker 1: I said last hour, everybody acknowledges how good Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: but I don't think we quite understand what Peyton has

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Speaker 1: not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt, but this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very high Colin.

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Speaker 6: I kind of wonder if people are holding his big

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Speaker 6: loss in that championship game in the Home Team movie,

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Speaker 6: when was it him or Kevin James? I don't know

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Speaker 6: when he was the offensive coordinator and lost the twelve

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies, so

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Speaker 6: But no, listen, Denver I think is a major threat

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking about what a great coaching division.

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Speaker 3: But and everyone's gonna want to crown Kansas City. I

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Speaker 6: I like them too, But he has something special in Bonittz.

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Speaker 6: He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.

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Speaker 6: This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: There a great offensive line.

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Speaker 3: I thought they were pretty good last year, but I

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Speaker 6: You know, can they continue to improve and grow in

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Speaker 6: that area. But to me, Sean Payton knows exactly what

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Speaker 3: Just as well. So that's a team to watch in

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Speaker 3: my mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think another reason why people push

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Speaker 1: rarely steps in it. Sean McVay doesn't Shanahan. You know,

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Speaker 1: Sean goes after people. And the truth is, I think

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Speaker 1: Shawn has alienated some people well because he is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know Sean, that's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's

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Speaker 1: like a little bit like Jim Harbaugh ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Half the league hated Harball, half revered him. I think

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Speaker 6: But and listen, I think also people were surprised when

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Speaker 6: surprised because I know what kind of coach Sean Payton

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Speaker 6: what he wants and exactly how it wants it how

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Speaker 3: Mister quarterback? Like he doesn't care.

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Speaker 6: He's like, listen, hop on board, follow me, it's gonna work.

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Speaker 3: Like I think Sean Payton almost thought of it this way.

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Speaker 6: That's why I think having bo Nicks is just so great.

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Speaker 1: So I think camps are different based on your personnel.

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Speaker 6: I mean they've losing your offensive and defensive coordinator. That's

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Speaker 6: Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an

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Speaker 6: Like the it's it's it's OTA's it's it's many mini camp,

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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's a different NFL.

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Speaker 6: And when you're not in pads until like this short

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Speaker 1: So this question is one that you can singularly answer that.

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Speaker 1: that's fascinating. If I look at Jaden Daniels, I could

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Speaker 1: And what will you see in the first month that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would

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Speaker 6: you work through some of their maturity as their young

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Speaker 6: that the excuses are now gone, like they have on

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Speaker 6: got everything that he needs. He's got the maybe the

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Speaker 6: He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's

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Speaker 1: So Nick Saban. There's there's two people I trust, Lane

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going back to college because nil money.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it would work this time for Saban?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it could work.

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Speaker 6: Like the reality of the NFL is that most of

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Speaker 3: It's a very young league right now.

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Speaker 6: You have some outliers and quarterbacks, some guys that are old,

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Speaker 6: I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge, in

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Speaker 3: You know, that's not going to be how it is

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Speaker 6: And then the other thing is like understanding how to

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Speaker 6: to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk

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Speaker 6: to him that way. You can't go musical chairs. If

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Speaker 6: it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you

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Speaker 1: All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers forty one, go to your

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Speaker 6: Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got

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Speaker 6: I was the second guy, second oldest, but between me,

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Speaker 6: What has to change for him is in his mind.

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Speaker 6: He probably thinks he can move around in the pocket

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Speaker 6: He can certainly do it. But again, you kind of

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Speaker 1: You know, You're you're still have in Nashville, right, correct. Okay,

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Speaker 3: It's all about high school football down here, Colin. You know,

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Speaker 6: Lights man, you know, and then you got SEC football

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Speaker 6: on Saturdays. It's like there's there's like no energy, you know,

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Speaker 6: Like they have to do something bad to get a headline.

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Speaker 6: Like that's just how it is. And having been on

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Speaker 6: You're all about the ball, you're all about the football.

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Speaker 6: You're not all about the you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the drama. And I don't think that's bad for

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Speaker 6: I've seen a young quarterback first pick overall literally come

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback, Man, you just brought your a game today, buddy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for stoping.

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Speaker 6: I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so

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Speaker 3: Here here we go.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, eighteen years in the NFL, former

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Speaker 1: In year two, Penix has pressure. Cam Ward's like invisible.

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Speaker 1: Besides old guys signing with LA basketball team. Come cheap shot,

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Speaker 1: Jamack with the news, No.

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Speaker 2: News, this is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 4: All right, Colin, I'm I'm being told this is Denver

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Speaker 4: Broncos week here at the network. So let's go with

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Speaker 4: another Broncos story. How about linebacker Nick Benito Man. He

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Speaker 4: was excellent last year. Broncos led the NFL in sacks

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Speaker 4: with sixty three. Nick had thirteen and a half. He

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Speaker 4: is in the final year of his rookie deal.

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Speaker 5: He says his focus is on more than money.

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Speaker 9: Those type of talks are happening right now, but I

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Speaker 9: kind of just keep that with my agent, you know,

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Speaker 9: just let him handle that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 9: My focus is just you know, winning and trying to

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Speaker 9: you know, get a championship. I mean, no time period.

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Speaker 9: I know these things can you know, happen tomorrow, happen

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Speaker 9: months from now.

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Speaker 3: So I mean I kind of.

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Speaker 2: Just keep it day by day and just keep the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a great year. Oklahoma guy came out

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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. He's been a great hit in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Interesting a little turnaround for linebackers last year. You know,

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Speaker 4: remember the h was it the Ravens traded for Roquan said,

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Speaker 4: the people like, why are you adding a linebacker?

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Speaker 5: Ravens are at the forefront of a lot of this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Drafting Kyle Hamilton a safety, early drafting another safety, and Benito,

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Speaker 4: I think has been the modern linebacker.

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Speaker 5: Like the guy's just a tackling machine.

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Speaker 3: He is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's cool about the NFL. And I guess

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Speaker 1: you know, like in the NBA, I grew up, it

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Speaker 1: was centers and then it became wings like Kobe. You know,

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Speaker 1: centers are still important, but now it's not really a

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Speaker 1: center league. You know, with the Warriors it was small ball,

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Speaker 1: and that how positions change. Now it's sort of a

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Speaker 1: positionless league. If you can play, you can play right well,

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Speaker 1: if you go three and D, nobody already cares. In

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Speaker 1: the NFL, you've had running back in safety was never

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Speaker 1: like running backs when we're young, and then there was

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Speaker 1: well they're the last unprotected player. You can hit them high, low, anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and so you just don't sign don't sign a running

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Speaker 1: back to a second big contract. And then you're seeing

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Speaker 1: the value of running backs, like like, I mean, Harball,

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Speaker 1: get me Najee Harris, Let's draft a running back first.

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Speaker 1: Rent running backs of oas mattered because they take pressure

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Speaker 1: off a quarterback. Also, when you lead in the second half,

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Speaker 1: nothing eats the clock like a good run game, right.

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Speaker 1: And I think in the NFL, safety is now. The

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Speaker 1: Rams are big in it, the Ravens are big in it,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs satan. There's a re emergence because of coverages

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Speaker 1: and maybe because safeties are those athletes. Let's face it,

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Speaker 1: they're bigger than corners, faster than linebackers, and because of

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Speaker 1: some of the coverages in the NFL, safeties now are gaining.

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Speaker 1: It feels like to me in importance, they had a

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Speaker 1: bat member Earl Thomas didn't get paid for the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: You're like, you can't pay a safety. It feels like

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Speaker 1: there's a re emergence. Tight ends now feels like you

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Speaker 1: gotta pay a tight end. The receiver a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a bubble. I feel like people are pulling back

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Speaker 1: a little on wide receiver. So I think it's fun

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Speaker 1: to watch, you know, and a lot of it's on coverages, schemes,

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Speaker 1: cultural ships. But I think right now safeties are okay.

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Speaker 4: So just for the audience, Colin, the Broncos open open

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Speaker 4: the season with the Tennessee Titans and cam Warden his

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Speaker 4: first start in Denver that could be a blood bath,

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Speaker 4: and then Denver against the Colts. So I'm just telling

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Speaker 4: you right now, Broncos are going to be live to

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Speaker 4: win that division. Guys, if you want to get in early,

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Speaker 4: I think you do it now. Like they're gonna win

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Speaker 4: those first two games, hands down.

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Speaker 2: Come.

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Speaker 4: Their defense is going to be elite this season. I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna rule out that the Broncos win that division.

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Speaker 4: I think it is Broncos are Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm probably gonna have to move Kansas City down

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Speaker 1: to third.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: How how's your boy Nick Wright gonna take that? I

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Speaker 5: know he's very very defensive.

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Speaker 1: When we take shoes, I have issues because I love

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Speaker 1: I think the Chargers OH lines better. I think the

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Speaker 1: Broncos O lines elite, and I think O lines over

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Speaker 1: the court. These seasons are getting longer, dude. They're seventeen

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Speaker 1: games by next year. It's eighteen minimum. Like it's that

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Speaker 1: offensive line. The season can get ugly very fast. Nothing

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Speaker 1: can save. You like an O line to move the chains,

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Speaker 1: keep your defense off the field. More snaps for all

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Speaker 1: these great athletes. I don't want my defense on the

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Speaker 1: field all game at Denver Line.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's good that we agree on something because

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Speaker 4: we're not on this next topic, your favorite former quarterback,

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Speaker 4: Cam Newton. He did his list of top ten quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: in the league right now, and the Super Bowl MVP

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts was not in the top ten.

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Speaker 5: Here's hot take artist Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst is a great quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Do not get that twisted.

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Speaker 9: But if we're talking about what they bring to the

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Speaker 9: table right holistically, it's hard to.

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Speaker 3: Judge what Jalen Hurst can do when when.

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Speaker 9: You're throwing to a guy like AJ Brown Davonte Smith,

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Speaker 9: we have tight end skill set, you have a dominant defense.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hursts does not have to play elite for the

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles to win. He has to play good, but

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have to play elite. We're not asking you

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Speaker 2: to win the game.

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Speaker 3: We're just asking you not to lose it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I Cam Newton has really honestly, I like

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Speaker 1: it more as a podcast than the quarterbacks come on,

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Speaker 1: stop it now. He is boy's arguably the best college

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Speaker 1: football player I've ever.

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Speaker 4: Seen one amazing season. Yes, it was incredible, legendary stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well it was good.

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Speaker 5: I mean Tibo did it three years but whatever.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, he drove me nuts as a quarterback because he

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Speaker 1: never had back to back winning seasons. I just felt

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Speaker 1: like he got into bad habits and I thought, like

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Speaker 1: I always thought, mechanically, he can't. He just kind of

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Speaker 1: a sloppy and he was inconsistent, great but inconsistent. He's

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Speaker 1: a really good podcast, makes a lot of really satient points.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you.

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Speaker 4: Are anti Hurts, I'll just say this, I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 4: like some of these former players and listening.

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Speaker 5: To that logic, I mean, Colin, there's an.

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Speaker 4: Avalanche of data that refutes all of it, Like literally

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Speaker 4: every point.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts has.

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Speaker 4: Dominated from the pocket. He was incredible last year Top

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Speaker 4: five from the pocket as a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yet all we keep hearing.

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Speaker 1: Is is nonsense. Well, he's got a stack deck.

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Speaker 5: And the defense and the GM.

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Speaker 4: Like we're giving everybody credit except for the Super Bowl MVP,

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Speaker 4: who is unstoppable.

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Speaker 5: He had the most unstoppable play football, sure or fall.

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Speaker 1: Well, he has the most unstoppable half yard playing football.

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Speaker 5: It's fourth and one. It's a give me. It sets

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Speaker 5: them up where it's like, oh, it's hey, third and five.

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Speaker 5: What do we do here? Hey, we just need three yards.

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Speaker 4: We can easily get two because Jalen is an unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: unstoppable force with the tousch bushes like, how is he

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Speaker 4: getting knocked? It is absolutely puzzling to me. How you're

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Speaker 4: not higher on Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 5: You still have him ninth.

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Speaker 1: Or no, No, this happens on this show. You did this

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Speaker 1: with Bradley Beal last week. You've done this with Brock Purdy.

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Speaker 1: I like all of them, you go so far over

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Speaker 1: the top. I have to be the voice of you know,

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Speaker 1: sanity and just say, Jalen Hurts from the pocket. I'll

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Speaker 1: take Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Stafford from the pocket, Herbert C. J. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, I'll take all those guys from the pocket,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield from the pocket. Now, if you're adding if

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Speaker 1: you're adding leadership, character, toughness, the tush push, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of elements the Jalen that I love. I've said

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Speaker 1: before at the podium he's the new Dak. He's literally

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Speaker 1: perfect at the podium. Anytime there's heat in Philadelphia with

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Speaker 1: Sirianni that's every Wednesday. He suppresses all of it like

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Speaker 1: he is un He's a total adult. But trailing late,

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Speaker 1: sit in the pocket, throw dimes, that's he's not my guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's top six or seven in the league.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably somewhere between nine and thirteen. But

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Speaker 1: he's I don't think he's great from the I think

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Speaker 1: I think Tua from the pocket is just as good

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Speaker 1: as Jalen Hurris.

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Speaker 4: So we can say I don't think he's that good,

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Speaker 4: but the actual numbers say he's an elite quarterback from

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Speaker 4: the pocket for three years running.

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, we can't when you have like perfect protection

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Speaker 1: and a great run game. It should be noted week five,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles had to buy the coaching staff put their

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Speaker 1: heads together and said the way to get better is

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Speaker 1: throw less.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of that had to do

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Speaker 4: with and I remember it because I was on them

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Speaker 4: in that Saints game.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember how bad Hurts was the Saints game?

660
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Speaker 5: It was in New Orleans. He was terrible.

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Speaker 4: They still won the game, but he had a new

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: His wide receiver ended up reading a book on.

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Speaker 4: The sideline because he was so frustrated. Imagine, imagine if

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Speaker 4: you had those headaches to deal with on this show.

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Speaker 5: Fortunately, I'm not a headache.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a.

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Speaker 5: Come you know, bring on my lunch, payal to work guy.

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Speaker 5: Herts is dealing with like a different offensive play caller

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Speaker 5: every single season.

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Speaker 1: Colum Yeah, all right, final.

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Speaker 5: Story is uh oh boy, here we go.

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Speaker 4: More LA Clippers Chris Paul just announced that he will

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Speaker 4: be going back to the paper Clips.

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Speaker 5: He's in his twenty first season.

676
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Speaker 4: Played for the Clippers from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Twelve time All Star. Actually was sound. Can I say

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Speaker 5: that sound?

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Speaker 4: Which is better than average with the Spurs last year.

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Speaker 4: I don't think this is the worst pickup in the world.

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Speaker 4: They got a veteran locker room. They are an old

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Speaker 4: team that's undeniable, hardened.

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Speaker 2: Chris Paul in the.

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Speaker 1: Back of I love Chris Paul. So I'll never say

685
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Speaker 1: a bad word about Chris Paul. When he plays thirty minutes,

686
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Speaker 1: he makes every team he's ever played on better. So

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Speaker 1: you'll never hear a bad word with Chris Paul. I

688
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Speaker 1: think he's one of the great point guards ever. I

689
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Speaker 1: actually like this move. I think this team in the

690
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Speaker 1: last five years. My big knock on the Clippers is

691
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Speaker 1: who's running the offense. It's not you know, and who's

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Speaker 1: available tonight. It's not coaching, it's not roster composition. It's like, Okay,

693
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Speaker 1: who's available to play, and who's engineering us, who's getting

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Speaker 1: us into our offense? Chris Paul to the Clippers, I

695
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Speaker 1: love that move. You know again, twenty four minutes to

696
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes, he's gonna play two out of three games.

697
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Speaker 1: Just know what it is. Rest him for the postseason.

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Speaker 1: But I love Chris Paul as a player. I love

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Speaker 1: him as a guy, love him as a leader, love

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Speaker 1: his IQ. Very few players I've ever respected more than

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, his game him, I mean, he's great.

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Speaker 5: Hey, listen, the Hall of Fame lock. This is a

703
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Speaker 5: I'm just saying you look at depth one through ten

704
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Speaker 5: that paper Clips are.

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Speaker 4: Definitely top three in the league.

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Speaker 5: They have an awesome bench. I know it's old.

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Speaker 4: I see you rolling your eyes there, Pow, but I'm

708
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Speaker 4: just saying, you know, I'm a Lakers guy.

709
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Speaker 5: Look out for the Clippers this year.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd line.

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Speaker 1: It's funny the saff just putting this on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this. So the Clippers were the oldest roster

715
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Speaker 1: in the league. Less they were the oldest roster in

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Speaker 1: the league. So far this offseason, they've added thirty seven

717
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Speaker 1: year old Brook Lopez, re signed thirty six year old

718
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Speaker 1: Nick patom who I like, added thirty two year old

719
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Speaker 1: Bradley Beal, and just signed forty year old Chris Paul.

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Speaker 1: This is the remake of the movie Cocoon. This team

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Speaker 1: is honestly, do they get sort of can they board

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Speaker 1: the flight early? They may be able to board the

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Speaker 1: plane early with oxygen canisters? Oh that was that was

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Speaker 1: a shot. It is an old teams. They the Thunders

725
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Speaker 1: average age is twenty five, so just saying the NBA

726
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: is getting younger, the Thunder twenty five and the Clippers

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Speaker 1: were the oldest team before these acquisitions. Name value, I'm

728
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: not denying that they got. They're trying to get people

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Speaker 1: into the yetto into it Dome. They they that's a

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Speaker 1: big part of this is it's headliners. It's big names. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Clippers are also announcing they're gonna play their games

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Speaker 1: at five because the player. They're gonna call them early

733
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Speaker 1: Bird specials. So all Clipper games now are at five

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Speaker 1: pm Los Angeles time. These guys got to get to bed,

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Speaker 1: so early bird Clippers schedule.

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Speaker 3: It's the third.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

738
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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter not a em Pacific on Fox Sports

739
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: App Sunday on Fox with a historic three feet on

741
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: the line, can Alex Below become the fastest ever to

742
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: lock up in Indie Series Championship or will the Pack

743
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: hold him off at Laguna Seca. It all starts Sunday

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Speaker 4: at three Eastern only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So we had we were saying earlier today there's like

746
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Speaker 1: an understanding. They were talking about the best rosters in

747
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Speaker 1: the NFL this year in Denver is now sixth and

748
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: it was just a mess when he got there. Remember

749
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Speaker 1: Nat Hackett was there. They'd given up first round picks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd kind of predicted. I didn't think Russell

751
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Speaker 1: Wilson and Sean Payton's personalities would click, just knowing Sean

752
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: as I know him very authentic and very intense and

753
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Speaker 1: very critical. And Russell's just a very almost overly optimistic guy,

754
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Speaker 1: if that's possible. And I just thought that's oil and water.

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00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: It's not going to work, and it didn't. But they

756
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Speaker 1: make the playoffs in year two with a rookie quarterback

757
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Speaker 1: and a great division. And now they've got the second

758
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: or third best offensive line, the sixth best overall roster.

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Speaker 1: And that's nothing against the front office of the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of that considering they gave up two

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Speaker 1: first round picks to get Russell. It's Sean Payton and

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck said he absolutely loves what they're doing in Denver.

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Speaker 6: Denver I think is a major threat in the AFC West.

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Speaker 6: We're going to be talking about what a great coaching division.

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Speaker 6: This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombardi's

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Speaker 6: three out of the four. But and everyone's gonna want

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Speaker 6: to crown Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

769
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Speaker 6: I like them too. But he has something special in Bonittz.

770
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Speaker 6: He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.

771
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 6: It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.

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Speaker 6: This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: My concern or question would be, like, what do they

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Speaker 6: have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 6: I thought they were pretty good last year, but I

776
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Speaker 6: thought they might have overachieved, you know, can they continue

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Speaker 6: to improve and grow.

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Speaker 3: In that area?

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Speaker 6: But to me, Sean pay Eaton knows exactly what it takes.

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Speaker 6: Everyone believes in him, and if that thing gets rolling

781
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 6: in Denver, that home field advantage is real just as well.

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Speaker 3: So that's a team to watch in my mind.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing we talked about, and I said

784
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Speaker 1: last week July and early August, is when bread crumbs

785
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: become headlines because people like our show. We got three

786
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Speaker 1: hours to fill. Newspapers have multiple columns to write. It's

787
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: the hardest time of the year to generate stuff. But

788
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Speaker 1: I did think last week I said, I don't have

789
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Speaker 1: a problem saying if Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffin are

790
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Speaker 1: bo saying Saban's got an itch for coaching, it would

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Speaker 1: be pro football. I buy into that. They didn't say

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Speaker 1: pro football. I did because I think with nil there's

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Speaker 1: just no possible way that especially Alabama could pay off

794
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: Kaylin de boor pay fifteen million nil and then go

795
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Speaker 1: pay Saban sixty. It can't happen. Bama is sec outside

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Speaker 1: of Texas and Texas and m and not a lot

797
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: of big nil money. The big nil money is in

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Speaker 1: the state of Texas, USC, Oregon, Ohio, State, Michigan. It's

799
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Speaker 1: a lot of these big ten schools. Clemsons doesn't have it.

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00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: It's the downside of these small rural towns. Car dealers

801
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: are the big money, and that's a small that's a

802
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: tight margin business, whereas the big ten's got bigger cities,

803
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: finance tech. It's just easier to raise that kind of capital.

804
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: But I do think I can see Nick Saban taking

805
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: phone calls, especially in Cleveland. You can like Kevin Stefanski,

806
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: who would get another job in a minute, But Saban's different.

807
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: Saban's a brand, and arch Manning goes there. He's a brand.

808
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: And Jimmy Haslam, the Browns owner, loves headlines, loves juice,

809
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: and Hasselbeck's thoughts on if Saban came back to the NFL,

810
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: would he succeed.

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Speaker 6: The reality of the NFL is that most of the

812
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 6: guys in the NFL, most of the players are in

813
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 6: years one, two, or three. It's a very young league

814
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 6: right now. You have some outliers, some quarterbacks, some guys

815
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Speaker 6: that are old.

816
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: But the most the roster as young.

817
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Speaker 6: So he would know these guys maybe as well as anybody,

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Speaker 6: and I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge

819
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Speaker 6: in my mind for a guy like that going from

820
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Speaker 6: Alabama to the NFL, You're not gonna have a better

821
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Speaker 6: roster than all the guys you play.

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Speaker 3: And then the other thing is.

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Speaker 6: Like understanding how to deal with a franchise quarterback in

824
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Speaker 6: the NFL is going to be very different than college.

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Speaker 3: You can't necessarily talk to him that way.

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Speaker 6: You can't go musical chairs if you feel like switching

827
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Speaker 6: a guy at halftime. It rarely works in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: So I think that would probably be the biggest adjustment.

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Speaker 6: But in terms of respect, knowledge of the game, the

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Speaker 6: staff that he could acquire, I mean, it would be

831
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Speaker 6: Belichick esque in my mind if you were to get

832
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Speaker 6: him as an NFL head coach.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons SEC coaches have not done well

834
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Speaker 1: Spurrier didn't work, Saban didn't work. A lot of the

835
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Speaker 1: reasons to me is almost temperament, is that Spurrier was

836
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Speaker 1: too laid back, and guys like Kirby Smart and Nick

837
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Speaker 1: are like so intense. I mean, there's multiple videos of

838
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: Nick Saban dog cussing an assistant coach or a player.

839
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Speaker 1: You don't do that in the NFL. Kirby Smart does

840
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: not work in the NFL, and you know it's I mean,

841
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: people say, oh, Chip Kelly didn't work. He actually worked

842
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. He won ten games back to back with

843
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of BC level quarterbacks. They just he and Howie

844
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Roseman oil and water didn't work and how he had

845
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: the leverage. So the truth is there's a temperament truth

846
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: to the NFL. The players. Andy Reid barks at practice,

847
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: he's not going to bark very often at players during

848
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: the game. Belichick was not a barker. Again, the Belichick

849
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: would do it in private, he wouldn't do it on TV.

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00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: A lot of SEC coaches, it's almost like high school

851
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: football coaching in the seventies and eighties, like it's yelling

852
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: and screaming. I don't think that temperament works in the NFL.

853
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: And I do think Saban would work. I don't know

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00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: to what degree he would work, but I do think

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00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: he would work all right, First two hours of the

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00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: show have absolutely flown by what the Clippers just signed.

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Speaker 1: George Michaen hm