Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: I'm back home after nearly three weeks on the road.
Speaker 1: I landed like two am Thursday morning, back from ten
Speaker 1: days at Hillsdale and a week in Israel before that.
Speaker 2: I was home for one day in between, and my
Speaker 2: family also came to visit me at Hillsdale for a weekend.
Speaker 1: I had really missed everyone a lot. Obviously. My kids
Speaker 1: are fourteen, eleven, and eight, so in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways they're self sufficient, but they still need me in
Speaker 1: so many other ways, and I love being needed. Obviously,
Speaker 1: my husband has been exceedingly understanding about what I've needed
Speaker 1: to do in the last year plus really since my
Speaker 1: book came out last March, and.
Speaker 3: It was very nice to be back with him.
Speaker 1: He's just my favorite.
Speaker 2: But this isn't a month about how much I love
Speaker 2: my family, though I do, or how much I missed them,
Speaker 2: which I did. On Friday, I ran errands around my
Speaker 2: community and I just drove around with a huge smile
Speaker 2: on my face. I was so so happy to be
Speaker 2: home in Florida. Mean, look, I loved New York when
Speaker 2: I lived there.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: It was home in every way I grew up in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: Really home base.
Speaker 1: And even now when I was in Michigan, I'd say
Speaker 1: to my husband, you know when I get back home
Speaker 1: to New York, and he'd say, we don't live there anymore.
Speaker 1: Or I saw that New York had flooding at the
Speaker 1: airports the weekend that my family was coming to visit me,
Speaker 1: and I said to my husband.
Speaker 2: Will your flights get out okay? And he was like, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll get out fine. From Florida. New York is a
Speaker 2: hard habit to break, really, but being in Florida isn't
Speaker 2: all around just relaxer. Yes, the sunshine, the weather, the
Speaker 2: happy people, all of it really helps, but it's really
Speaker 2: still even two years in that I'm so grateful that
Speaker 2: we get to have a normal life here. I feel
Speaker 2: like a genius every single day in so many different ways.
Speaker 2: Like we left because of COVID, but there's so much
Speaker 2: that's going on now that I'm just so happy to
Speaker 2: not be in New York for We talk a lot
Speaker 2: about moving on this show because the last four years
Speaker 2: have been this great migration in this country, as so
Speaker 2: many people move from blue states to red ones. Our
Speaker 2: move to Florida remains one of the absolute best things
Speaker 2: I've ever done. I'm still so grateful to be here,
Speaker 2: so blessed that it was an option, and I don't
Speaker 2: take for granted, not even for one second, how lucky
Speaker 2: we are to be in the free state of Florida.
Speaker 1: I loved New York.
Speaker 2: But did it ever give me a sense of peace
Speaker 2: and calm and security from the outside world.
Speaker 1: No. It gave me a lot, but not that. And
Speaker 1: I know there are people listening who would say, yes,
Speaker 1: New York makes me feel safe in a crazy world.
Speaker 3: And that's fine, that's good.
Speaker 1: But if you live somewhere that does not give you
Speaker 1: a sense of calm, that does not give you the
Speaker 1: security that you know you should feel at home, think
Speaker 1: about leaving. It's hard, but I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: good it feels to be free. Coming up next and
Speaker 1: interview with Katrina Trinko. Join us after the break. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
Speaker 1: today is Kate Trinko, editor in chief of The Daily Signal.
Speaker 4: Hi, Kate, Hey, Carol, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to see you. So I reached out
Speaker 1: to you for this podcast. I think you're a fantastic writer.
Speaker 1: I've been reading you for years, but I reached out
Speaker 1: specifically because you had this piece in February called Dating
Speaker 1: Crisis Fuels Marriage Crisis. And on this show we talk
Speaker 1: a lot about marriage, we talk a lot about dating,
Speaker 1: and you wrote some really interesting things in that piece
Speaker 1: that I think resonated with a lot of people. I'm
Speaker 1: going to read just one thing you wrote. As an
Speaker 1: unmarried woman in my thirties, I also realized there's no
Speaker 1: quick fix to the situation, which is people not getting married,
Speaker 1: and that married Americans are often unaware of how bleak
Speaker 1: the current dating landscape can be. Ultimately, if we're going
Speaker 1: to have more healthy marriages, we need to change our
Speaker 1: dating culture.
Speaker 3: Tell us about it.
Speaker 1: What do we need to change?
Speaker 3: I want to get on it.
Speaker 4: Well, where do I start? No, I think some of
Speaker 4: it first. Well, let me be clear, sometimes singles are
Speaker 4: a little too picky. I myself have been too picky, and.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with being too picky.
Speaker 1: I don't know this is key about what, but this
Speaker 1: is one of my things, right, And I think, like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to partner with somebody for the rest
Speaker 1: of your life.
Speaker 3: I'm picky is good.
Speaker 1: I don't know the being too picky is never one
Speaker 1: of my things that I think single people are doing wrong,
Speaker 1: you know. I I think that being picky and being
Speaker 1: choosy and really you know, not.
Speaker 3: Settling is good. So be picky, do it?
Speaker 4: You know? Well, let me give an example of what
Speaker 4: I mean by my pickyness. I'm five nine. One time
Speaker 4: a guy who was five seven asked me out, who
Speaker 4: was local. We agreed on a lot of, you know,
Speaker 4: serious things. I wouldn't even go out on one day
Speaker 4: with him. That's the sort of thing should I have explored.
Speaker 4: Could there be chemistry and one day? That's That's what
Speaker 4: I mean. I generally agree with you, though certainly no
Speaker 4: one should go to the altar say I'm going to
Speaker 4: be with you forever and be like, but I hate
Speaker 4: this this and this about you?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Are settled for you? Like, that's not not where you
Speaker 3: want to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely not. In terms of fixing the culture, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, I talked a lot not to put the
Speaker 4: pressure on married folks like you, But you know, if
Speaker 4: married people and I know you've talked about this on
Speaker 4: your podcast, could set people up, have friends over, try
Speaker 4: to just stimulate meetings. I think that's one thing that
Speaker 4: always helps. I know a lot of my married friends,
Speaker 4: they have kids, they're busy, But even if it's something
Speaker 4: you do once a year, I think it's a great
Speaker 4: thing to do. Especially you know, often wives no women friends.
Speaker 4: Husbands have male friends. You know, let's get them in
Speaker 4: a room together, right. I also think encouraging people to
Speaker 4: be good on dating apps. That might sound a little weird,
Speaker 4: but I think one of the things on dating apps
Speaker 4: that's a real big problem is you're constantly going out
Speaker 4: with people that you don't share any friends in common with. Well,
Speaker 4: there's not you're not really worried about accountability. In the
Speaker 4: same way, I think there's definitely folks on the apps
Speaker 4: who treat people they meet on the apps in a
Speaker 4: way they wouldn't treat friends in real life if there
Speaker 4: were consequences socially. So I think having a bit more
Speaker 4: empathy saying, oh, if I wouldn't ghost a friend, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to ghost a date. That doesn't mean you
Speaker 4: have to tell someone you've been out with twice when
Speaker 4: they ask you out again, Like twenty reasons you don't
Speaker 4: ever want to see them again, but no, thank you,
Speaker 4: So that would be a good start.
Speaker 1: Well, are there differences between the dating apps? Are theyre
Speaker 1: good ones or bad ones? Or are they all kind
Speaker 1: of not that great? You know?
Speaker 4: That is it depends on what you're looking for. I
Speaker 4: would say in generally.
Speaker 1: Like the commercials for like e harmony really get me.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like, if I were.
Speaker 1: Single, e harmony seems like, you know, people are already
Speaker 1: get married, and you know, I think that that's sort
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 3: The better path.
Speaker 1: I've Also, you know, there's the I think it's called
Speaker 1: rite dating, like there's for conservatives. And then a guy
Speaker 1: who responds to a lot of my stuff on Twitter
Speaker 1: never married dating, you know, website, website or app or
Speaker 1: are there you know, are there better apps out there
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 4: I there's no one that I would say is like
Speaker 4: it'll work for sure?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, yes, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: I also a lot of it is luck. It's it's
Speaker 1: you know, I I think a lot of married people
Speaker 1: pretend that they were like skillful in their quest to
Speaker 1: get married and that's why it worked out for them.
Speaker 1: And I think the luck component is overlooked and if
Speaker 1: single people knew that we that I understand that I
Speaker 1: got lucky and our timing was right and all the
Speaker 1: different things that have to kind of work out. It's
Speaker 1: not skill. It really is a lot of it is
Speaker 1: luck based, so.
Speaker 4: Great and I think so in my let's see, in
Speaker 4: my dating life, I have been on Tinder, bumble E Harmony,
Speaker 4: which did not work out for me, like the commercial show,
Speaker 4: and then being Catholic. I've also been on a site
Speaker 4: called Catholic Match. So my current boyfriend I met on
Speaker 4: Catholic Match. But I also he's my first relationship from
Speaker 4: that site and I've been on and off of it
Speaker 4: for fourteen fifteen years. So I think being who you
Speaker 4: are on the apps is really important. I really encourage
Speaker 4: people it's better to get fewer matches and be who
Speaker 4: you are. You know, I'm always like, hey, I'm conservative.
Speaker 4: Does that make you popular on DCPA? No, But someone
Speaker 4: has a problem with that. We were never going to
Speaker 4: work exactly. I think a lot of it is what
Speaker 4: you make of it on a particular app, So your.
Speaker 1: Beat is not necessarily dating. What else do you write about?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I write about all kinds of things. One
Speaker 4: of the things that I love about the daily signals
Speaker 4: we can write about different cultural issues. So you know,
Speaker 4: the past few months, I read a book on polyamory,
Speaker 4: wrote about that, wrote Abigail Shreyer's great new book, so.
Speaker 3: Good, my favorite thing right now.
Speaker 1: I'm telling everybody about it, Bad Therapy, Abigail Sreyer, amazing
Speaker 1: must read.
Speaker 4: What did you think of it?
Speaker 1: I thought it was fantastic, And you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many things in it that I thought, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: in this world, right We're in this like politically conservative world.
Speaker 1: We think we're going to going to like stand up
Speaker 1: for our kids in every situation, and we're going to
Speaker 1: fight back on all these things. But even Abigail says
Speaker 1: she opens the book with an anecdote about her son
Speaker 1: having a stomach ache and they go to the doctor
Speaker 1: and the doctor asks her to leave the room so
Speaker 1: she could ask the son some questions about whether he's
Speaker 1: suicidal he has a stomach ache, And Abigail says herself,
Speaker 1: says that she stood up like to leave, and then
Speaker 1: she was like, wait a minute, I don't leave the room.
Speaker 1: And things like that made me think like I also
Speaker 1: maybe would for a second there be like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: I'll leave the room. And then I'm not leaving the
Speaker 1: room my kids, you know, eleven years old and has
Speaker 1: a stomach ache or I think maybe twelve.
Speaker 3: It just kind.
Speaker 1: Of the idea of standing up for your kids and
Speaker 1: protecting them from bad ideas is just such a big
Speaker 1: one throughout the book, and I loved it. Thought it
Speaker 1: was so well written and very well done.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I completely agree. I thought that anecdote was really powerful
Speaker 4: and it struck me. I think, you know, when you
Speaker 4: and I were growing up, Carol, I don't remember a
Speaker 4: doctor ever asking my mom or dad to leave and
Speaker 4: like questioning me about my mental health. I don't remember.
Speaker 4: She Abigail Schreyer also had an anecdote in the book
Speaker 4: about a fifth grade classroom where like the teacher asked
Speaker 4: them all to share one thing they were feeling really
Speaker 4: bad about, and the kids, Yeah, when kids started saying,
Speaker 4: he doesn't like I think his dad's new girlfriend. Another
Speaker 4: kids started talking about her parents' divorce. Third kid had
Speaker 4: something else, and then suddenly half of these fifth graders
Speaker 4: are crying. And I thought this was really interesting. I'm
Speaker 4: a big proponent of therapy of medication if necessary, I
Speaker 4: haven't given as much thought frankly to you know, childhood
Speaker 4: therapy and medication in those things. And I think what
Speaker 4: she did was first and foremost, as you said, with
Speaker 4: the doctor anecdote showed hey, this stuff may be happening
Speaker 4: to your kids without them ever entering a therapist's office.
Speaker 4: And now that was amazing. And then I think secondly
Speaker 4: she raised a lot of interesting questions about when is
Speaker 4: therapy appropriate parents part of their kids therapy. You know,
Speaker 4: what do you lose if you put a kid on medication?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And I thought, oh, you know, it's it's good to
Speaker 4: see a skeptical examination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was another example in there where you know,
Speaker 1: the teacher calls her and says that her daughter, uh
Speaker 1: watches the clock, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: and therefore she has I think, I forget.
Speaker 3: If it was add or Adhd.
Speaker 1: And Abigail's like or she's very organized and she's taking
Speaker 1: the bus for the first time without her without her brothers,
Speaker 1: and maybe she's just watching the clock to make sure
Speaker 1: she doesn't miss the bus, and like, why.
Speaker 3: Fix that?
Speaker 1: Even if let's say that is some kind of sign
Speaker 1: of something. So what So we're all a little different,
Speaker 1: and we all have kind of our own problems, and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty scattered. I wish I was a little more
Speaker 1: organized and watching the clock, I you know, why medicate
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 3: And just I loved it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was fantastic and and really made me
Speaker 1: think about the way we treat kids like adults. And
Speaker 1: whereas an adult can tell a therapist like that they're
Speaker 1: on the wrong track, a kid really can't do that right.
Speaker 4: And that's that is she talked about it. I think
Speaker 4: being a power and balance and that that really resonated
Speaker 4: with me. And I also think, you know, I have
Speaker 4: a friend who is a child therapist, and I think
Speaker 4: there's a big difference between kids who don't have parents,
Speaker 4: whether they're in foster care or sometimes other difficult circumstances
Speaker 4: sort of being raised by you know, a smart sort
Speaker 4: of extended family. That's very different than a kid who
Speaker 4: has you know, a good parent or two good parents
Speaker 4: at home. And I need to recognize when intervention is
Speaker 4: appropriate and when they've got parents who know that looking
Speaker 4: at the clock is right their personality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you be doing if you weren't a writer?
Speaker 4: Uh? Well, twist, I would still be a writer. I
Speaker 4: would love to be a novelist.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: Do you think you have a novelist?
Speaker 4: I do, But the problem is to say, thirty six,
Speaker 4: I'm still a little thirteen at heart, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: is this I don't know. Do you want to put
Speaker 4: this level of emotion out in the world. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Yes, put it out there in the world. See what happens.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think if you've got a book in new
Speaker 1: that you need to write.
Speaker 3: Like, write it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that I think should be stopping you.
Speaker 4: All right, I love it. I go home and write it. Now.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 4: So? You know, it's funny you mentioned this question in
Speaker 4: the email about the podcast and you have put me
Speaker 4: on like a deep dive about my life. Was like
Speaker 4: New Year's all over?
Speaker 3: You want to do?
Speaker 1: You know? So we all love the Carol Marko which
Speaker 1: show put you on a deep dive about your life.
Speaker 4: No, but I feel like it was a great question
Speaker 4: and it made me think in the one sense, yeah,
Speaker 4: I do think I've made it because I get to
Speaker 4: do stuff like, you know, write articles about you know,
Speaker 4: Schreyer's new book about dating that you know, there's a
Speaker 4: concept called the flow that I don't know who to
Speaker 4: give it credit for. But it's when you don't really
Speaker 4: even notice, you don't notice what you're doing. You're just
Speaker 4: doing it and you're so absorbed by it. And that's
Speaker 4: something I get when I write. So I'm very grateful
Speaker 4: that I get paid to do something that gives me
Speaker 4: that sense of contentment and really that out of my
Speaker 4: head sense. But I would say, you know, I try
Speaker 4: to be someone, not always successfully, who's open to growth,
Speaker 4: and I think I was very rigid, especially in my
Speaker 4: early twenties when we actually first met, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: you want to be on Fox News, you want to
Speaker 4: write a best selling book, you want to do this,
Speaker 4: you want to do that. And as I'm a lot older,
Speaker 4: I'm like, but what brings you joy? Right, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: really rewarding.
Speaker 3: So you write about cultural a lot.
Speaker 1: Do you have something that you think is like our
Speaker 1: biggest cultural or societal problem?
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 4: Maybe the loss of hope and meaning I'm really struck
Speaker 4: a lot, and I haven't written too much about these
Speaker 4: issues because I'm trying to think of what I have
Speaker 4: to add to the conversation. But you know, when we
Speaker 4: see the deaths of despair increasing, when we see drug
Speaker 4: addiction going up, when we see people who are homeless,
Speaker 4: and you know, often that's a mixture of Sometimes, of
Speaker 4: course it's economic, but often is we know it's a
Speaker 4: mixture of mental health and drug addiction issues. And even
Speaker 4: to a certain extent, when I see how much time
Speaker 4: people spend on their phones and I mean, I'm guilty.
Speaker 4: I don't like the weekly report from my iPhone it
Speaker 4: would be. But it's like there's a sense of, yeah,
Speaker 4: do we have meaning? Do we have hope? Are we
Speaker 4: just trying to distract ourselves? Or are we living fulfilling lives?
Speaker 4: And I feel like a lot of our problems have
Speaker 4: a more spiritual route where people are just genuinely not
Speaker 4: hopeful and fulfilled.
Speaker 1: Are you hopeful we could solve that or is it solvable?
Speaker 3: Give us the big answers here.
Speaker 4: Kakes well as a politics writer. The tricky thing is,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that politics can solve that. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure that that, you know, President Biden can in the
Speaker 4: State of the Union announce some policy. I think there's
Speaker 4: stuff on the policy level we can do to nudge
Speaker 4: people towards certain things, But ultimately, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: this is where maybe church's synagogues have a bigger role
Speaker 4: to play. Something actually that I keep meeting to write on,
Speaker 4: but that I was really struck about when I went
Speaker 4: to Israel last year was how Israel has the highest
Speaker 4: birth rate in the Western world, right, And you know,
Speaker 4: I talked to people there and like, what's going on
Speaker 4: with that? Why is that? And they were like, because
Speaker 4: you know, we believe life is so important, and you know,
Speaker 4: we think as a Jewish people, we've been through so much,
Speaker 4: it's so important to celebrate life and celebrate children. And
Speaker 4: I was like, where is this in the rest of
Speaker 4: the West. Instead, we have people you know, my age,
Speaker 4: and you know, like, oh, can I have children. I
Speaker 4: don't know about climate change, I don't know that a
Speaker 4: kindle being a mother, there's so much fear. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, my hope is we can get some more
Speaker 4: of that Israeli attitude and just in general, get in
Speaker 4: touch more spirituality with God and feel empowered to have
Speaker 4: kids right in life, to not spend your life distracted.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I used to think that Israel's high
Speaker 1: birth rate was partially related to the fact, or maybe
Speaker 1: more than partially, but they have a very kid centric
Speaker 1: kind of society, Like you don't tuck the kids away
Speaker 1: somewhere else, like the kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kids are.
Speaker 1: Noisy, they're you know, loud, they're in your face, and
Speaker 1: they're they're here, and that we're not We're not hiding
Speaker 1: them away. But I've been to European countries. I think
Speaker 1: Spain is very kid focused like that, but they have
Speaker 1: a very low birth rate, and it's like that doesn't
Speaker 1: really explain it.
Speaker 3: So there's no right way or wrong way.
Speaker 1: Kind of to be about kids and to have that outcome.
Speaker 1: I'm curious why Israel has that and they have it
Speaker 1: across I don't know. I'm pretty sure about this, but
Speaker 1: across the religious groups. It's not just Jews, it's not
Speaker 1: just Muslims. Also, the Christians and Israel have more kids,
Speaker 1: and there has to be something that they're doing societally.
Speaker 3: But I just I can't.
Speaker 1: Every time I think I've got it, I find like
Speaker 1: an exception to that. So I'm not so sure.
Speaker 4: Well, I will say you are right about Spain. And
Speaker 4: my sister actually is married to a Stanyard and lives
Speaker 4: in the Madrid area with her little girl, and everywhere
Speaker 4: they go for a little girl who's about eleven months
Speaker 4: old now like center of attention everyone. But my sister
Speaker 4: doesn't really know that many other parents her age she's thirty,
Speaker 4: who have kids, right, So it's interesting where they cherish them,
Speaker 4: it seems, but for whatever reason, it's not that popular
Speaker 4: to have them.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they have if they do have them, they
Speaker 1: have like one. There was also this great study of
Speaker 1: great great is not the right word, but how when
Speaker 1: Spain gave a larger paternity leave to dads, like they
Speaker 1: gave them a really generous paternity leave, they could take,
Speaker 1: you know, a long time off. Their birth rate went down.
Speaker 1: It was like the dad saw how hard it was
Speaker 1: to have kids, and they were like, just just one's fine,
Speaker 1: you know. So you know, policies don't always work out
Speaker 1: the way. Maybe we think that they will.
Speaker 4: Right And I think I wonder to your point on Israel.
Speaker 4: This is me just thinking out loud, fact free because
Speaker 4: I have not studied yet, But yes, it is true
Speaker 4: across religious groups. I wonder if some of it is
Speaker 4: just the example. So for the second half of my childhood,
Speaker 4: I was homeschooled and I was one of five kids
Speaker 4: and we were considered a small family.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do think there's something that when you
Speaker 4: see your peers having large families in managing, it's encouraging
Speaker 4: and maybe you're like, yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally. Yeah, you just do it because everybody else
Speaker 1: is doing it. Would you homeschool your own.
Speaker 4: Kids, It would be my preference not to one. My
Speaker 4: mother actually was a teacher. I am not a teacher.
Speaker 4: I do not enjoy teaching, so it wouldn't be my
Speaker 4: favorite thing. I think ideally a school that you know,
Speaker 4: doesn't have CRT, does reflect values would be really cool.
Speaker 4: But I think it's a great option for some people.
Speaker 4: And I think one thing it gave me that I
Speaker 4: don't know how to replicate for my own children is
Speaker 4: when I was in high school, you know, I would
Speaker 4: just do my studies and be done, and it gave
Speaker 4: me a lot of free time, which I, like a NERD,
Speaker 4: used to read, to imagine, to write levels, and I
Speaker 4: think that was really beneficial for me. And I often
Speaker 4: see kids in high school, especially if they're smart, who
Speaker 4: get on the advanced placement classes and they end up
Speaker 4: doing so much much homework. I feel like they never
Speaker 4: get a chance to breathe, to think, to be bored.
Speaker 4: And I don't know the answer there, but it seems
Speaker 4: to me that's not the ideal either, right.
Speaker 1: I think the being bored or letting your kids be bored,
Speaker 1: like showing them what boredom looks like, is a really
Speaker 1: important thing that we don't talk about enough. Kids should
Speaker 1: be bored sometimes. They shouldn't be entertained every minute of
Speaker 1: the day, and they shouldn't be engaged every.
Speaker 3: Minute of the day.
Speaker 1: You have to sometimes just let your mind wander and
Speaker 1: see where it ends up.
Speaker 4: So I think you should turn that into a book.
Speaker 1: No, They're like, no, thanks, I'm out of the book
Speaker 1: writing game, you know.
Speaker 4: I just I could see like all these morning talk
Speaker 4: shows debating about whether kids should be bored, and I
Speaker 4: it's so important.
Speaker 1: The book that I wanted to write, or that I
Speaker 1: kind of always thought about, was lazy Parenting, And how
Speaker 1: like lazy parenting is the best parenting, the.
Speaker 3: Letting your kids kind of.
Speaker 1: You know, do whatever and not whatever and not what's greens,
Speaker 1: especially because I like I was thinking about this before
Speaker 1: the kids were on the screens. But yeah, lazy parenting
Speaker 1: is often the very best parenting.
Speaker 4: No, I think that would be a really cool concept
Speaker 4: because yeah, I sometimes see you know, moms these days,
Speaker 4: and you know, it's just sometimes it feels like it's, yeah,
Speaker 4: just an awful lot of work.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I may make it more than it needs to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and well, anyway, I don't want to speak at
Speaker 4: a term as a non parent. I know, Hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: parents weighing in. But I do think sometimes that's why,
Speaker 4: you know, people without kids are afraid of having kids
Speaker 4: because they're like, oh, it's the only way to parents, right,
Speaker 4: I'm this stressed in working this hard all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and yeah.
Speaker 1: Tim Carney was on the show talking about that in
Speaker 1: his new books.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's I think it's.
Speaker 1: Okay to say, like, take it easy, don't parent quite
Speaker 1: so hard.
Speaker 3: So end here with.
Speaker 1: Your best tip for my listeners on how they can
Speaker 1: improve their lives.
Speaker 4: So it is a tip that I don't fully follow
Speaker 4: myself so full.
Speaker 1: That's kind of tipt off your phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've I've this lens. I'm doing a fast from Reddit,
Speaker 4: where I love reading other people's trauma and the moral
Speaker 4: analysis and I miss it. But I also am like, Oh,
Speaker 4: it's giving me time to be bored, to be engaged
Speaker 4: with real people. And I think, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of our phone and internet consumption is junk food. It's
Speaker 4: simulation of relationships. And I think not anti technology. You know,
Speaker 4: I met you through the internet. I write for a
Speaker 4: site that's all digital, But I do think the amount
Speaker 4: of time we spend, Like sometimes I just look up
Speaker 4: for my phone and look at a cloud and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh wow, look at that. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, touch grass very important. Get off your phone.
Speaker 1: I don't always succeed either, but it's something that I
Speaker 1: absolutely aim for.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on. She is Kate Trinko.
Speaker 1: Look for her at Daily Signal and her novel is
Speaker 1: coming out.
Speaker 3: Two years from now, let's say two years right now.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kate, Thanks Caeryl, Thanks so much for joining us
Speaker 1: on the Carol Marcowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.