1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: Music saved Me. 2 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 2: We had no neighbors, we had no TV, no telephone. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for the guitar, I honestly don't 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: know what I would have done with my life, and 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: it saved me. 6 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: This podcast is called Music Saved Me, and on each 7 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: episode we'll look at a musician will delve into their 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: story their deep connection to music. I'm Lynn Hoffman, your 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: host for the Music Saved Me podcast. On this episode 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: of Music Saved Me, our guest is one of the 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: most respected and awarded musicians in music. She has had 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: nineteen number one singles, including those of the Juds, making 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: her one of the best selling country artists of all time. Now, 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: when you can reduce a person's name to just one 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: word that tells you something of their stature, you'll learn 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: more of the character and resilience of why Nonah. 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: My name is Wynnas Ellen Judd. I was born Christina 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: Claire Simonela in nineteen sixty four, and I started playing 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: guitar when I was eight years old. I think out 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: of loneliness and feeling very different in my family. I 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: didn't feel like I belonged anywhere. I was a misfit, 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: and I think music saved my life in so many 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: ways that I still feel that today. I started playing 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: music because we lived in the middle of nowhere. My 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: mother had a thing about living out in the country. 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: We had no neighbors, we had no TV, no telephone. 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for the guitar, I honestly don't 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: know what I would have done with my life, and 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: it saved me. 30 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you really knew at a young 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: age why music was so important to you. 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: Yes, it was Joni Mitchell. Yes, nineteen Somewhere around nineteen 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: seventy one or nineteen seventy two, I discovered Joni Mitchell, 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: and I learned every word. I learned every note. I 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: played the guitar and people would ask me to play 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: music at parties and family get togethers, and I became 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: known as the girl with the guitar. 38 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: So why did Joni Mitchell's music speak to you? Do 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: you think? 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: I think because I was so lonesome and her voice 41 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: was so comforting to me. It was like someone in 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: my family speaking to me. I felt. I just felt 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: this personal connection with it, And to this day, Janie 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: is one of my favorite heroes of all time, and 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: I met her recently and we became bonded for life, 46 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: and she literally saved my life. I don't know again 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: what would have happened to me if it hadn't been 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: for music, I would have either probably been incarcerated or 49 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: not alive. I was a bit of a wild child 50 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: in terms of spirit not doing illegal activity, but I 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: was definitely the emotional one in the family, and I 52 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: really felt like I had nowhere to go because I 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 2: didn't feel understood and I didn't feel like I fit 54 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: in anywhere, and music gave me a place to belong. 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Yes, a sense of belonging is so important, especially when 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: you're young. Were there any other musicians or artists that 57 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: really resonated with you at that time. 58 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: Yes, Bonnie Rait and Linda Ronstatt, and Emmy Lou Harris, 59 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: any woman who had been through hell and sang about it. 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: I was drawn to them. Aretha's voice is one of 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: the first voices that I remember being attached to in 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: a primal way. I was taken by her voice. It 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: just took me somewhere not of this world. And the 64 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: women really spoke to me more so than anyone because 65 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: of the fact that I was so young and becoming 66 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: a young woman myself. I was drawn to Linda Ronstatt. 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: She was beautiful, the way she sang her songs. 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: It was like power, of course for you, especially someone 69 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: growing up so isolated. I mean, this had to have 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: deepened your appreciation even further for music, to. 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: The point where I didn't know what I was going 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: to do with my life. If I wasn't going to 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: be in music, I didn't want to be here. And 74 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: it was that deep was I did really well in 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: school and I was a good kid. I just felt 76 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: again I was so spiritually defined by the music, and 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: the music swept me away, and it took me. It 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: took me. I was fourteen years old in Marin County 79 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: outside of San Francisco, where I discovered Bonnie Rait and 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: I just went way, way deep into Bonnie and she 81 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: saved my life. 82 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: So as you further developed your career and became a songwriter, 83 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: how did that deepen your love of music? 84 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: I think when you're born poor and you have so little, 85 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: you dream really big. And I would literally be in 86 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: the wilderness. We had no TV, no telephone, and I 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: would literally sit on the front porch and play my 88 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: guitar and I would well be watching, for instance, the 89 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: sun go down, and I wrote a song called Lazy 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: Country Evening, and I would just sit there and strum 91 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 2: the guitar or something to do. And if it wasn't 92 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: for that, I don't know what would have happened. Again, 93 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: because I was so defined by the notes that I 94 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: was singing as well as the notes I was playing 95 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: that it gave me an identity, and songwriting became a 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: way out of the reality of being with a single 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: parent on welfare. We're talking food stamps. We had so little. 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: We raised a garden and we wrote songs about our pets. 99 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: I remember writing a song about one of our cats 100 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: and thinking what I thought about it was a natural progression. 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Well as a cat lover. Thank you. So writing songs 102 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: is a very personal thing. Did you keep you know, 103 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: with everything going on in your life at that time too, 104 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: did you keep writing those songs in private or did 105 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: you share it with the world. 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I never thought of sharing it with the world. 107 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: It was such a personal thing. It's almost like if 108 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: you keep a diary, you know, you think about that 109 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: and you have a lock on the diary. I remember 110 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: having a diary and with the lock, Yeah, it was 111 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: very personal. It was just a way for me an event. 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: My mother is very high spirited, she's a perfectionist. She's 113 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: very strict. Actually and I are very very different. Even 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: when I was little, I knew that we were very 115 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: different from each other. And I felt very lonely. And 116 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: I was a girl that had a lot of spirit, 117 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: and I didn't know what to do with that spirit. 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: So I wrote songs. But the songs to me were 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: so personal that I wasn't going to share my diary 120 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: with anybody. 121 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: I know that's going to be one of the hardest 122 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: things to do as a songwriter, is to share your songs. 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: Why have you chosen to be so transparent about the 124 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: trials and tribulations in your life? 125 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: That is a great question. I think it's who I am. 126 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: I've been this way my whole life. My mom said 127 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: I was not a good liar, and she said that 128 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: I always told on myself, and I think it's because 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: of my grandmother. My grandmother raised me with the sense of, 130 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: you know, the whole thing of grandparents have a way 131 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: of guilty and shaming you into the reality of telling 132 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: on yourself and getting right with God. And I think 133 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: it had to do with that, And I think I've 134 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: been this way my whole life. And look, I was 135 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: eighteen years old when I made it, and the Fans 136 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 2: were my family then and they are today. I spend 137 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: more time with the Fans than I do most of 138 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: my family. And I think they allowed me to be 139 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: who I am in such a way that it gave 140 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: me permission to tell the truth. 141 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: So whin Noah. Music has always been a huge force 142 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: that has guided you through your life. Besides music, what 143 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: else guides you in life? 144 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: Wow? I'm currently looking at my baby girl. I have 145 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: a granddaughter. Her name is Khalia Oh, and she looks 146 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: at me and she looks right through me. You know 147 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: how kids look right through you? Yes, and they give 148 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: you a sense of hope. She's definitely very high on 149 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: my list of the priorities and the things I think 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: about the most, and how to be a good grandmother, 151 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: that's one. My animals they keep me honest because they 152 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: don't give a crap. Or sometimes they do give a 153 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: crap and you have to clean it up. I have animals. 154 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: I have forty animals here on the farm. Wow. We 155 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 2: raise a garden that's about as real as it gets. 156 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: The dirt. He's me honest, and the farm keeps me 157 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: hoping because when you grow things on the farm, it 158 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: gives you perspective that you don't get in the city. 159 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: That is true. What is your view on the power 160 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: of music and religion or the power of music fused 161 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: with spirituality. 162 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Well, to me, it's spirituality. I think I was raised 163 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: with the religion and I ran from it when I 164 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: was eighteen years old. I was raised very strict Baptist, 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: and I don't know that God is that strict in 166 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: terms of the religion part of it. So to me, 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: it's spirituality. There's religion and then spirituality. I think the 168 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: spirituality comes from opening yourself up so deeply to the 169 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: music and it just brings out something that you can't 170 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: get anywhere else. You know, you can't buy this stuff. 171 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: I know that show business the use of today, think 172 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: that it's a lot more you know, available, But sometimes 173 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: you have to get really humble to do your best work. 174 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: I think the best work comes from this tour, for instance, 175 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: because it breaks me. It literally opens me wide open. 176 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: When I'm on stage and I'm singing to thousands of 177 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: fans who are singing back to me, so loudly that 178 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: I literally have to take a physical step backwards because 179 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: it knocks me over. And something happens in that moment, 180 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: because it's so much bigger than yourself. You know, you 181 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: can't take credit for it, because it's happening in spite 182 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: of yourself. You might be the starter of it, but 183 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: it certainly goes somewhere that you're not in control of, 184 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: and it just makes you go, WHOA, I am not 185 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: in control? After all? I thought I was, but I'm not. 186 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: That's pretty humbling. 187 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure is. Do you visualize your fans and particular 188 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: struggles that you know they may be dealing with more 189 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: so than ever before. 190 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: I've always been a visionary. I was born with a 191 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: gifting that has allowed me to visualize, and I take 192 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: very very I take it very seriously. If it wasn't 193 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: for visualization, I don't know that I would be here today. 194 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: Because there are times when I feel absolutely like I 195 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: can't do something and I will close my eyes. I 196 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: did it on the airplane the other day, back from Mexico. 197 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: I was doing a show with Brandy Carlisle, and I 198 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: was on the airplane and I was thinking about this 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: tour and I was thinking about how vulnerable I feel, 200 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't feel like I'm my best. I'll 201 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: be honest, I wake up and I don't know that 202 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: I'm feeling as secure or as capable, And all of 203 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: a sudden, I'll just visualize myself on the stage being 204 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: very capable. And you have to do that. It's what 205 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: carries you through all the insecurities, because this business is 206 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: not an easy business. It takes you away from really 207 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: who you are at times. You know, the professional part 208 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: of it and the success part of it. You know, 209 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: that's not really who I am authentically. I'm a farmer, 210 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: you know. I'm a farmer at home. And then I 211 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: get my clothes packed and I put on my undergarments, 212 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: and I spray my hair with sparkles, and I go 213 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: out there ambassador, and I have to visualize otherwise I 214 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: don't think that I would be able to make it 215 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: on my own. 216 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I love that. Oh, I can't believe the time goes 217 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: so fast, Wainona. But in closing, this is specifically talking 218 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: to the musicians and songwriters and future superstars listening to 219 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: you right now on how to stay on their path 220 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: no matter what the challenge, what advice would you give 221 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: to them, especially when it comes to music saving their life. 222 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that I do that 223 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: helps me is I stay away from social media and 224 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't compare myself to other people, because that's really 225 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: easy to do, and when I compare myself to other people, 226 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: I get very, very discouraged. I would say also too, 227 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: that if you play an instrument, which always helps me. 228 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: Playing guitar is literally part of my body. I've been 229 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: doing it for fifty years. I've been playing guitar for 230 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: fifty years. I would say, write songs, because that's really 231 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 2: about as honest as you can get. I would say, 232 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: get really honest with yourself and ask yourself what is 233 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 2: it that you want? You know, do you want to 234 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: be famous? And if it's that, that's going to be 235 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: quite a struggle, because that changes like the weather. You know, 236 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: the same part comes and goes. I would say, find 237 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: somewhere authentic, whether it's church or singing in clubs. If 238 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: you want to get a band together and just play 239 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: music and play wherever you can, whether it's a county 240 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: fair or you know, on your street. I always tell 241 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: people sing and play as much as possible and show up. 242 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: That's one of my biggest things is showing up even 243 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: at the worst day. Is I show up and I 244 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 2: just go from where my gut takes me. I would say, also, 245 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: following your gut, that's a huge thing for me. I 246 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: say yes and no. I go into a room and 247 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: I literally close my eyes and I sit down and 248 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: I ask myself, is this something that you really want 249 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: to do? Does it make sense? And I would say, 250 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: listen to your gut and let's don't let the world 251 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: define you. Never let anyone tell you who you are. 252 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: Gosh, that is so true. 253 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: Never. 254 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: My mom always used to say, don't ever let anyone 255 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: make you question your own integrity. Kind of close but 256 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: not exactly what you said, but similar, mynah, Thank you 257 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: so much. It's been such a pleasure having you. If 258 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: there's a takeaway here for you musicians out there, remember 259 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: show up, play, play, play, and listen to your gut. 260 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Whyonah Judd a portrait in resilience, authenticity, transparency, sharing her 261 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: bond with her audience on this episode of Music Saved Me. 262 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. I'm Lynn Hoffman.