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Speaker 2: Throw pick up Jeremy Chits got it yet, Celebrate like

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Speaker 2: it's nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 3: We're going to the NFL Championship Game.

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Speaker 4: This is the Motown, the home of Motown to tonight

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Speaker 5: Amazing job by London Fletcher and Bram Weinstein like they

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Speaker 5: did all season. At the final moment, the Commanders and

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Speaker 5: their radio crew come through in the biggest way possible.

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Speaker 5: The Commanders win forty five to thirty one in Detroit,

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Speaker 5: and yes we have a Washington Commanders team led by

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Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels going to the NFC Championship Game. I am

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Speaker 5: joined by Jordan Rodrieg of the Athletic. This was not

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Speaker 5: the show that I expected to be doing today. Jordan.

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Speaker 5: We'll also talk Chiefs Texans a little later in the show,

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Speaker 5: a reminder all season long, we've been saying this is

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Speaker 6: It's amazing and to go into Detroit and to see

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Speaker 6: how unflappable he was and how like he was having

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Speaker 7: It's incredible. It was incredible to watch.

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Speaker 6: We all expected the Lions to win, so this was

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Speaker 5: Yes, and he is authoring one of the greatest rookie

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Speaker 5: But man, this is special and it was a full

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Speaker 6: It's crazy, Greg, because we knew, and we've talked about this,

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Speaker 6: They played with their food against a lot of these

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Speaker 6: Next year, it'll be a huge compliment to the Commanders,

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Speaker 5: Man, do they I don't know. They just need to

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Speaker 2: Gough was in trouble, being engulfed by the rush and

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Speaker 3: And Laporta made the grab. It didn't look like he

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Speaker 5: Yes, I am glad that we got Dan Miller and

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Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean if you look at the backward

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Speaker 7: So I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what that what that celebration was. I

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that Jamir Gibbs was doing the catch.

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Speaker 5: Was amazing celebration. At first, it was a huge commander's fan.

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Speaker 6: That play was extra cool and we're, you know, Commanders

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Speaker 6: have that we're going to talk about it. That hit

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Speaker 6: but that on that play, Dan Skipper pulled both inside

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Speaker 7: I mean, it was amazing. It was one of the

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of the best catches ever. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. What I'm trying to say is remember

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Speaker 3: Dock God tuck down walking gown, Oh my God.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, you live by the bliss, you die

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Speaker 5: And that was the moment you started to think maybe

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Speaker 5: I see Cliff Kingsbury getting some love after that play

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Speaker 5: That that's what That was the moment where I thought, Oh,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Jaden Daniels is twelve of sixteen for one hundred

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Speaker 6: And when we talk about Jada Daniels poise, that play

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Speaker 6: like Okay, here come the Lions. Jada Daniels just stayed

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Speaker 6: so calm and again against that pressure that zero. Look,

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Speaker 7: Explosive play and all of a sudden, hey, we've got

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Speaker 5: Right, They take the lead. And then what followed what

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Speaker 1: Golf pointing out the defender pressure up the middle. Golf

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Speaker 2: Got picked up by clad Garden twenty tide Chuck Dawn touchdown,

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Speaker 4: And in actuate throw at least to the klond Martin

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Speaker 5: Great call there?

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Speaker 7: They called a great game, didn't they?

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Speaker 5: They just called that they've been, you know they are

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Speaker 6: I mean, that was a play that I think a

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Speaker 7: And Jared Goff has come so far since then, let's

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Speaker 6: But I actually think that the waterfall effect that I

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Speaker 6: on the return, you know, he gets hit by Frankie

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Speaker 6: Luvu and the broadcast has a discussion about it, and

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Speaker 6: Mike Pereira, the rules analyst, you know, postulated that perhaps

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Speaker 6: that touchdown shouldn't have shouldn't have actually counted because it

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Speaker 6: should have been a foul. And that's where, you know,

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Speaker 6: you can go back and forth about those types of

443
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Speaker 6: things all the time, but certainly all elements of that moment,

444
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Speaker 6: the pick, the reaction, then the fact that Jared Goff

445
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Speaker 6: has to go be evaluated for it.

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Speaker 5: It was your guy. I mean, defend your guy, Frankie Louva.

447
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Speaker 5: I said it in the previous show.

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Speaker 7: Every had a hell of a season.

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Speaker 6: What do you mean defend my What do you mean

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Speaker 6: every week I bring out an All Pro, second team

451
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Speaker 6: All Pro should be a difference maker.

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Speaker 5: I mean there were points tonight where I was like, man,

453
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Speaker 5: they almost got to get Bobby Wagner out off the field.

454
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Speaker 5: Because they're just they're just targeting Bobby Wagner a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And Luvu is incredible, but every game there's like a

456
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Speaker 5: Luvu cheap shot pretty much once a game somewhere. Mike

457
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Speaker 5: Evans got it last week and he just immediately goes

458
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Speaker 5: to the rest, like, what is this guy doing?

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Speaker 6: Multiple things, Multiple things can be true, Greg, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 6: I'm painting a picture of a moment, of all parts

461
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Speaker 6: of a moment that changed a game, changed.

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Speaker 7: The swing of a game. And I agree with you.

463
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Speaker 7: I think that that.

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Speaker 6: I think that that entire sequence start to finish, swung

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Speaker 6: things in the almost like, oh no, this is not

466
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Speaker 6: going to be what we thought it was.

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Speaker 5: Kind of yes, And I'm half kidding about Louvu. That

468
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Speaker 5: happens on interception returns all the time. But it was

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Speaker 5: a penalty they would have had to go earn that touchdown.

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Speaker 5: But everything I saw out of the Commanders tonight indicates

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Speaker 5: to me they would have earned that touchdown. So I'm

472
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Speaker 5: not going crazy about them missing the call. I just

473
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Speaker 5: don't love that Gough took a headshot there. And you know,

474
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Speaker 5: one of the commenters here asked, was Gough the same

475
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Speaker 5: after that they check him for a concussion. I mean

476
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Speaker 5: that was a hit right to his chin. He comes

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Speaker 5: out of the game, and yes, the moment I've been

478
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Speaker 5: waiting for for years. Literally, we were talking about this

479
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Speaker 5: last year, like, what if it's a situation Not that

480
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Speaker 5: I want Off to get hurt, but what if it's

481
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Speaker 5: a situation where Teddy Bridgewater comes into the NFC Championship

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Speaker 5: game and he has his Drew Bledsoe moment you know

483
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Speaker 5: with the Patriots when he threw a touchdown before Brady

484
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Speaker 5: came back in in the Super Bowl and just has

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Speaker 5: that moment and he gets his Super Bowl ring. Well,

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Speaker 5: Teddy Bridgewater did have a moment. He comes out there.

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Speaker 5: You know, they take a penalty right away because they're

488
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Speaker 5: not all on the same page, and you're like, oh

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Speaker 5: my gosh, is this how the Lions season ends? And instead,

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Speaker 5: the Teddy Bridgewater drive goes perfectly well because he doesn't

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Speaker 5: have to do anything.

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Speaker 3: It's on first down, Bridgewater hands and give it to Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: He goes on the end around the other one table. Jamel.

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Speaker 3: It's not the pooty Jamel, the fifties Jamel down to

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Speaker 3: the party. So Jameson Williams turbot and so touch down

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Speaker 3: the True Giants sixty one yards.

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Speaker 7: You can tell how late it is for me here

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Speaker 7: because I started talking.

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Speaker 5: Now, don't even worry about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm laughing.

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Speaker 5: I'm laughing. And if you do check this out on

502
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Speaker 5: YouTube eventually, we appreciate everyone that does and like and

503
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Speaker 5: subscribe it. And you can see Jamison Williams just getting

504
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Speaker 5: after it after that touchdown. I think our friend Andrew

505
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Speaker 5: Hawkins had the tweet of the night when he said

506
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Speaker 5: his homage to Philip Rivers after that stuff. That was ridiculous.

507
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Speaker 5: But what play calls if if you're gonna hate the

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Speaker 5: trick play by Ben Johnson at the end of the game,

509
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Speaker 5: and I know they're different, you gotta at least appreciate

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Speaker 5: the crew creativity that Ben Johnson showed I think on this,

511
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Speaker 5: you know, certainly in that situation and in the first

512
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Speaker 5: drive of the third quarter where it almost felt like

513
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Speaker 5: they were hiding golf a little bit, I don't know,

514
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Speaker 5: or at least not doing much drop back passing and

515
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Speaker 5: they're getting touchdowns out of those drives.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a really cool moment because Jamison Williams

517
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Speaker 6: has been open and talked a few times with local

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Speaker 6: reporters in Detroit about how big of an influenced Teddy

519
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Speaker 6: Bridgewater was on his life.

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Speaker 7: He sort of took Jameson and Williams under his wing.

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Speaker 7: You know, Jamison williams.

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Speaker 6: Struggles and some of his setbacks have been very public,

523
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Speaker 6: and he said that not only did teddy Bridgewater basically

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Speaker 6: teach him the offense in a way that really made

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Speaker 6: sense to him, but also just kind of.

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Speaker 7: Kept after him, kept him on the right track.

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Speaker 6: And then part of the reason why Teddy Bridgewater came

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Speaker 6: back was obviously his connection his relationship with Dan Campbell

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Speaker 6: from their time together at previous stops, but also because

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Speaker 6: of Jamison Williams.

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Speaker 7: And so I when you talk about the.

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Speaker 6: Idiocy, I guess of the last call of like, Okay,

533
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Speaker 6: you're down ten and you're going to run a cute

534
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Speaker 6: trick play to put the ball in Jamison Williams hands

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Speaker 6: as a quarterback.

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Speaker 7: You know, in that situation that's not great.

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Speaker 6: But this play really I think showcased Ben Johnson at

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Speaker 6: his best, which is not only are you going to

539
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Speaker 6: are you going to call the right play in that moment?

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Speaker 6: And it's a huge gain. It ends up working because

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Speaker 6: everybody is bought in and executes it really well. And

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Speaker 6: it's also really creative, but also it's crazy. But also

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Speaker 6: it was a galvanizing type of play call when people wonder,

544
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Speaker 6: oh is Ben Johnson like a leader of men whatever

545
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Speaker 6: that phrase means, and like, oh, is he gonna, you know,

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Speaker 6: connect with this play. That type of thing gets players

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Speaker 6: with you. They ride with you because that is one

548
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Speaker 6: of those things that you know that detail about those

549
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Speaker 6: people involved in that play, and you're calling that specific play,

550
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Speaker 6: putting the ball in those two hands in that moment,

551
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Speaker 6: knowing that you need a galvanizing moment for your team

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Speaker 6: in a crazy situation.

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Speaker 7: And I have a lot of respect for him calling

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Speaker 7: that play when he did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it absolutely worked. It was cool to see

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Speaker 5: Teddy out there. I've seen some hate sent Teddy's way

557
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Speaker 5: that like he made a business. This is no that's

558
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Speaker 5: what you want your backup quarterback to do. He's not

559
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Speaker 5: blocking out there, but he's screening. He kind of got

560
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: he totally got in the way, got away. So at

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Speaker 5: that point you're just thinking, Okay, we need if you're

562
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Speaker 5: a Lions fan, to have some complimentary football. It's twenty

563
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Speaker 5: four to twenty one, this insane stretch that we started.

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Speaker 5: Those four touchdowns happened in under four minutes. That's absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this was the first game Jordan with four

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Speaker 5: forty plus yard touchdowns in a first half since a

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Speaker 5: Saints game in twenty ten, and only the sixth time

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Speaker 5: in the history of the NFL that was three forty

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Speaker 5: yard touchdowns in four minutes three other four like it

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Speaker 5: happened that quickly, and the next drive is I think

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Speaker 5: one of the moments where I was reminded, Okay, even

572
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Speaker 5: though the lines are the team that have been there before,

573
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Speaker 5: the commanders are are actually the ones who are as

574
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: comments can be that their regular running game with Brian

575
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Speaker 5: Robinson was working, that Jade Daniels is just picking apart

576
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Speaker 5: the defense. And then when he threw that beautiful pass

577
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Speaker 5: to Diami Brown, it was also just like excellence and

578
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Speaker 5: just oh, my best is better than your best. And

579
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Speaker 5: so that was a thirty nine yard play that set

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Speaker 5: up a third down touchdown to zach Ertz where almost

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Speaker 5: everyone on the field kind of knew it was going

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Speaker 5: to be going to zach Ertz. But Jane Daniels gets

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Speaker 5: all the time he needs, and generally that was only

584
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Speaker 5: two and a half seconds, but the Lion's pass rush

585
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 5: ultimately just wasn't good enough today. And Jane Daniels throws

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Speaker 5: that ball before zach Ertz even makes his break, and

587
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Speaker 5: when zach Ertz turns around, there's the ball and he's

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Speaker 5: in there for the touchdown under the two minute warning.

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Speaker 5: And to me, that sequence followed up by the goth

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Speaker 5: interception to end the half. I know there was a

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Speaker 5: long way to go, and I thought the lines could

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Speaker 5: maybe come back, but man, that sequence was massive. Let's

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Speaker 5: to wrap up this just a little segment here. Let's

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Speaker 5: listen to the Golf interception to end the half.

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Speaker 1: George, here we go. Ten Golf steps off three.

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Speaker 3: In the end zone.

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Speaker 2: He's pointing it out five ten pits his own man

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Speaker 2: tries to get out of the tackle and could not.

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Speaker 3: Walk out at the fifteen. The rookie, the Michigan man.

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Speaker 7: Mike you Sandtown rookie.

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Speaker 5: He's their quarterback one. And like, what a draft class

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Speaker 5: by Adam Peters. What an off season for Adam Peters

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Speaker 5: who forced that uh fumble? It was Doris Armstrong, which

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Speaker 5: has been one of the sneaky best free agent signings,

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Speaker 5: Like a three for forty five. People are like really

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Speaker 5: armstrong for that, but he's been their most consistent edge

607
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Speaker 5: rusher this year. He's been good for them. And then Sandrastill.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't a good throw by Golf, maybe just a

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Speaker 5: half tick late and didn't lead Williams enough. But I

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Speaker 5: also give a on a credit. Was just a great

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Speaker 5: play by san Ruso, who's been awesome this year.

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Speaker 6: To undercut that, though, is such a high degree of

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Speaker 6: difficulty a play for a play that a cornerback has

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Speaker 6: to make and you have to read it perfectly and

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Speaker 6: the throw has to be a little bit off even

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Speaker 6: for you to make it work. Some a somewhat physically

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Speaker 6: high degree of difficulty play and mentally as well, you're

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Speaker 6: tracking it a long distance. And so that's that was

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Speaker 6: a big time play for the rookie off. You know,

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Speaker 6: a throw that just wasn't leading the receiver correctly and

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Speaker 6: just the little margins. Like I said before, and to

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Speaker 6: your point, I do think you know Adam Peters, and

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Speaker 6: you know there's Brandon Sasna's in there, a former Lions

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Speaker 6: front office guy.

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Speaker 7: You know there there are connections there.

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Speaker 6: As this overhaul of this top organization top to bottom

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Speaker 6: from ownership into every single level and every layer of

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Speaker 6: this organization has been astounding to watch. It's like it

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Speaker 6: wasn't just that Sage was burned in the building. It

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Speaker 6: was a full on exorcism, and like that, that's so

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Speaker 6: cool that they can be so far ahead of schedule

632
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Speaker 6: in this way after being so behind schedule in so

633
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Speaker 6: many ways in every other facet. And it wasn't just

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Speaker 6: that they got the quarterback. That's huge, they nailed that,

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Speaker 6: But look at the free agents too that they brought in.

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Speaker 6: You brought up Armstrong as one of them. They had

637
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Speaker 6: a really good draft class. They brought in Austin Eckler

638
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Speaker 6: as a leader and somebody who had really been an outlet,

639
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Speaker 6: really be an outlet for Jade and Daniels. They brought

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Speaker 6: in Frankie Lulu. They brought in Jeremy Chin who had

641
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 6: the game ceiling play. They brought in Bobby Wagner. You know,

642
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Speaker 6: Frankie Lulu and Jeremy Chin coming from a despondent Panthers

643
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 6: team that nobody thought they would be good players, and

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Speaker 6: here they are, Bobby Wagner leaving the charge, playing on

645
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Speaker 6: one leg essentially tonight, but really has been solid for

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Speaker 6: them and a mentor to Jade and Daniels all season.

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Speaker 6: You know, this has just been a really cool team

648
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Speaker 6: building effort where it's like they all bought in together

649
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: and they grew together. They're very well coached on both

650
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Speaker 6: sides of the ball, and they're deep at coaching on

651
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Speaker 6: both sides of the ball as well.

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Speaker 5: It's really an advertisement for the type of head coach

653
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Speaker 5: like Dan Campbell who isn't just about scheme, because I

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Speaker 5: think that's where dan Quinn's magic is. Even after that

655
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Speaker 5: Brian Robinson touchdown in the in the second quarter, when

656
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: he gets out there and he he hugs Brian Robinson.

657
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 5: First of all, I think Robinson, you had a bad

658
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: play in the first quarter on that on that mistake

659
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 5: by Mariota. But I think dan quln't understanding that moment.

660
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: There is something greater that's going on with this Commander's

661
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 5: team than just the pickups. But the pickups were also big.

662
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: Like Brandon Coleman is a rookie left tackle. He's not

663
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 5: a great left tackle, but he's a rookie who's out

664
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: there and isn't killing the team that fits well enough

665
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: in their scheme and is gonna get better next year.

666
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: And man, they just so many good different decisions. And

667
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: look there's Commanders fans out there. You know i'd won

668
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 5: text me late in this game, James Pittman, if you're

669
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: out there, you know, my my buddy Kat who you know,

670
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: it's been a listener and a fan came to the

671
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: Super Bowl with me a couple of times, like what

672
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: is Greg and that crew gonna start picking the Commanders? Like, Okay,

673
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 5: I guess, I guess wait a week Like that was

674
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 5: the moment when Goff threw that interception after that sequence,

675
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 5: like I thought, oh, maybe the Commanders left too much

676
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 5: time for them and they pick off Golf at the

677
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: end of the half. That Wow, the Lions are in

678
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 5: a tough way, and yet they get a three and

679
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: out or they get the ball back in the second half,

680
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 5: the Commanders allow that the Lions to go down the

681
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 5: field in a very methodical way. It was the drive

682
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 5: I was mentioning in the third quarter takes up almost

683
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 5: half the quarter, and I really liked that Ben Johnson

684
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 5: was purposeful giving the ball to David Montgomery and getting

685
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 5: it to Gibbs and there was very few dropbacks. It

686
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: was like a screen pass and a couple other and

687
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 5: otherwise it was just their running game and Gibbs was

688
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: so good in this game, and maybe they got away

689
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: from them a little too much and they score the

690
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 5: touchdown to get it to within three, and then Washington

691
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: and just returns with like a fifteen play drive and

692
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 5: they just showed they can beat you any sort of way.

693
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 5: That drive. Yeah, it was fifteen plays, seventy yards that

694
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: that's capped by the Brian Robinson touchdown. And if I'm

695
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: not mistaken, that's where the Lions did have the Commanders

696
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: on a fourth down inside the ten yard line and

697
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: at that point in the game, Brian Branch had gone

698
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 5: out and they get a twelve men on the field penalty,

699
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: and they did. They made the bigger mistakes tonight and

700
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 5: it was stuff like that.

701
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dan Campbell needed to call a time out.

702
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: There had Tom and coaching.

703
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 6: That's the thing is like he's been so good in

704
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 6: the margins for so many years, even before everybody was

705
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 6: watching this football team, right when they were really starting

706
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 6: to pick the pieces up and start to build something like,

707
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 6: he's been so good. Aaron Glenn has made the most

708
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 6: out of a really decimated roster all season now I

709
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 6: think you could argue a little bit nothing they were

710
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 6: doing pressure wise was working, certainly not sending the blitz

711
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 6: after Jade and Daniels, But I don't know what you're

712
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: gonna do. You can't get pressure with four either, so

713
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 6: you know, you kind of it's a mixed bag, double

714
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 6: edged sword on that. But they've done such an admirable

715
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 6: job for the past couple of years, but particularly with

716
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 6: the way that they can win in the margins, the

717
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 6: way that their players understand situational football, the way that

718
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 6: they maximize every down, not just on offense, but opponents

719
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 6: don't maximize those downs against them in return. Now they

720
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: finally met a team that does maximize every fourth down

721
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 6: they come across. There's no reason in Dan Quinn Cliff

722
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 6: Kingsbury's mind, because they're ahead of schedule, because they have

723
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 6: Jade and Daniels, because what the hell do they have

724
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 6: to lose. They're playing with house money, like five years

725
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 6: ahead of this rebuild, and so why not go for it?

726
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 6: And they the Lions have not met a team with

727
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 6: this same sort.

728
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 7: Of like big Dan energy. They have big they had Greg,

729
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 7: they have big Dan energy.

730
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: They have Dan the Campbell. That's absolutely right. It's a

731
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 5: good point, and I do that was a couple That

732
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 5: was a moment where a couple of the narratives matched

733
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 5: up the fourth down one and then you know them

734
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: getting that done. But also the injuries, because I went

735
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: into NGS to look at the participation on the twelve

736
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: men penalty and two of the men on the field

737
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: in the secondary Jordan were by the names of Stanley

738
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 5: Thomas Oliver and Maurice Norris m O R I s C.

739
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 5: You spelled Maurice for him. I mean they haven't those

740
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 5: are I don't want to make the joke of like, oh,

741
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 5: who are these guys? Have never heard of them? Like

742
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 5: they haven't played all season. Those guys, like they literally

743
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: haven't played football on the team, And you have to

744
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: imagine that was part of the.

745
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 7: That's what I said at the top. Yeah, like it

746
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 7: just it contributed to them losing in the margins?

747
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: Was there?

748
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 7: Their injuries as much as they tried to make of it.

749
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 5: Man, probably the probably the end of the Ben Johnson era.

750
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 5: He did have that fun pitch shovel play which apparently

751
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 5: was like an Antoine Randall l play back in two

752
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 5: thousand and four, and Randall ell is now a coach

753
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: for the Lions. He's the receivers coach, so that that's

754
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 5: pretty cool, and yet just going out there playing football.

755
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: The Commanders were better at it tonight. The Lions were

756
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 5: in man coverage sixty percent of the time, which just crazy,

757
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 5: and it just it didn't work. You couldn't do it

758
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 5: with the players that they had on the field. That's

759
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: probably it for the Ben Johnson era. Maybe that's it

760
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 5: for the Aaron Glenn era. I wonder if Tom Brady's

761
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 5: in the booth like happy that the Lions lost because

762
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: now he can hire the rate. You're rolling your eyes,

763
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: why is that?

764
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 7: Well, don't get me started on this topic, honestly, because

765
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 7: why not.

766
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 5: He deserves criticism. They tried to address it. People were like, oh,

767
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: I can't believe Kevin Burkhard brought that up to him.

768
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 5: That was choreographed, like on Tuesdays.

769
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: That was a choreographed way to bring it up without

770
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 6: actually bringing it in.

771
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 5: And he didn't answer the question like they brought it

772
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: up to address it, and he didn't say anything. He

773
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: just said what they do on the field is the resume,

774
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 5: Like he didn't even answer Burkard's question.

775
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure he didn't even mention. I think someone

776
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 7: on social media was counting this.

777
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 6: I don't even think he said Ben Johnson's name till

778
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 6: like the third quarter when he absolutely had to and

779
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 6: honestly like listen, like whatever if this none of this

780
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 6: really matters in the grand scope of the world.

781
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 7: There are much larger things going on.

782
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 6: But at the same time, like, just sack up and

783
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 6: talk about it, man, own you're like, yeah, you're in

784
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 6: this position. You're not happy to be there. You're not

785
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 6: just oh my golly gosh, like look what I get

786
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 6: to do and I get to be in these meetings. No,

787
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 6: it has been reported over and over again like you

788
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 6: have an active role and that's fine.

789
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 7: You're Tom and the face. Just own it, man, It's okay.

790
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 6: People trust that you know what you're talking about when

791
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 6: it comes to filling a coaching and quarterback position until

792
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 6: you prove them otherwise. You don't need to act like

793
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 6: all this oh shucks, like Eddie Haskell crap on the TV,

794
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 6: like you don't have to do that anyway, Okay.

795
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: No, And yeah, a couple of teams I think will

796
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: be interested in the in this result in terms of

797
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 5: being able to interview. Glenn and Johnson are possibly highing

798
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: the Raiders, certainly the Saints, maybe maybe the Jaguars if

799
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: they wanted to fork over the bag and fork over

800
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 5: Trent Balk for Ben Johnson, who knows. I really do think,

801
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 5: and it's unfortunate, but the timing of these losses can

802
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: really affect the future like of of these franchises. It

803
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 5: like Kyle Shanahan, I think his his process to becoming

804
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 5: a head coach got got delayed a year basically by

805
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 5: going to the Super Bowl, and just think things happened

806
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: this way all the time. Man, it's gonna be a

807
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 5: tough offseason because because the Lions, they're a little bit

808
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: like the forty nine Ers now where they're going to

809
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 5: have some of the problems that come with winning without

810
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: having actually gotten to the Super Bowl in their case

811
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: or winning it in the forty nine Ers case. But

812
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 5: all credit to the Commanders. We got another whole game

813
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: to talk about, so we should probably get to that

814
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 5: game before we spend an hour on this one.

815
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 7: What do you think happened nine hundred years ago? Yes,

816
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 7: it happened before Jaden Daniels was born.

817
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels. We pray to you at this point, you

818
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 5: are not worthy. You are the commissioner. All right, let's

819
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 5: take a break. We will be back on the other

820
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 5: side with Texans Chiefs.

821
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: Twelve o three to go in the game. Chief lead

822
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: thirteen to twelve.

823
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 8: They have third down and goal to go at the

824
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 8: eleven and a half yard line of Houston.

825
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 7: Three receivers to the right.

826
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: Mahomes stepping up again, tries to throw.

827
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 8: A light touchdown Cansas City twelve.

828
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 3: Ish Kelsey owning this game, an eleven.

829
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 8: Yard touchdown, playoff path to playoff.

830
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: Kelsey in the Chief lead nineteen.

831
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 5: Yes, Mitch Holtis on WDAF. If it's mid January and

832
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: you have Travis Kelcey setting his personal records for postseason

833
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 5: yards and Mitch Holtis making calls on a divisional round game,

834
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: you know football is back. The Chiefs get it done

835
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: in a really entertaining game, twenty three to fourteen. A

836
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 5: frustrating game for the Texans, probably a frustrating game for

837
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 5: a lot of America, who at this point has started

838
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 5: to root against the Chiefs, much like they rooted against

839
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 5: the Patriots when they were making what was it, eight

840
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: straight conference championship games. I can't of all the records

841
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: that I would like, you can never get broken. That

842
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 5: one is absolutely insane. Patrick Mahomes gets it done, and

843
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 5: he had to give us at least one beautiful highlight.

844
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 5: And the fact that that came after or he kind

845
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 5: of you know, faked getting hit out of bounds made

846
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 5: everyone not appreciate in the moment. But that was a

847
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 5: ridiculous throw as he was falling down, like he has

848
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 5: made that kind of throw just seem absolutely ordinary.

849
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 6: It's like that, It's like that whole like just when

850
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 6: I'm just finally starting to get a little bit annoyed

851
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 6: with you, you pull me right back in and I

852
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 6: adnore you again, Like you know, you can't fault it.

853
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 6: It's just he's he's he's great. That's greatness, and he

854
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 6: knows how to try to sell things. He's going to

855
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 6: use every tool in his bag to try to win

856
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 6: football games. You don't have to agree with it. I

857
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 6: think that that was there was a little bit of

858
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 6: a I thought that would have kind of sucked if

859
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 6: they would have thrown the flag. I thought that, you know,

860
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 6: to do that after two calls clearly went your way.

861
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 6: That I think the entire world was like, what the

862
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 6: hell was that? But let's calm down, but listen, let

863
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 6: me finish, let me get please, let me finish my point.

864
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 7: Like I, it's multiple things are true.

865
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 6: You can hate the fact that those calls their way

866
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 6: and we're disagreed upon pretty universally, but you can also

867
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 6: respect the fact that that guy is going to do

868
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 6: whatever it takes to get extra yards, including some of

869
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 6: that maximizing some of the sideline runs, maximizing some of

870
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 6: the tools that he knows are to the advantage and

871
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 6: are not updated in a systemic structure that is more

872
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 6: so the league enabling things, and him maximizing the rules

873
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 6: that he can take advantage of. And I think that

874
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: multiple things can be true at the same time where

875
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 6: you can't fault him for trying to maximize and take

876
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 6: advantage of a system and win in every little tiny margin,

877
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 6: which the Chiefs were better at than the Texans today,

878
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 6: like I said before, capitalizing on those little margins, including

879
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 6: those advantages that Patrick Mahomes has that he knows he has,

880
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 6: and also capitalizing on special teams and capitalizing on the

881
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 6: fact that the Texans could not stop a drop of

882
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 6: water from going through a paper towel up front.

883
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. My thing with the flopping, and it is really annoying,

884
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 5: is that players do it all the time in every game,

885
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 5: like Alex Angeloni did it when Jade and Daniels pushing

886
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 5: the quarterback tonight or whoever, like remember you remember like

887
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: the I forget who was, but there was a play

888
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 5: where Jayden Dane was kind of got up after and

889
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: they were getting each other's face and it was a

890
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 5: Lions linebacker. It was either Campbell or Angeloona like flopped

891
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 5: down on the ground.

892
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, it's the quarterback. Though there are different lesped.

893
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: You brought it up right right off the bat. I

894
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 5: think it probably is the number one talking point from

895
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 5: fans that I've seen, at least on social after the game,

896
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 5: is just how frustrated they are with those two calls.

897
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: So if we're going to start there, I do think

898
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 5: it's important to put them put those two calls in context.

899
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 5: The first one from the first few angles, like it

900
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 5: was not forcible blow to the head on Mahomes and

901
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 5: they end up getting that penalty was what the first

902
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 5: or the second drive of the game, their second full drive,

903
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 5: they got that first one, which was a re and

904
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 5: out after they recover the fumball on the long kickoff return.

905
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: So some breaks there for the Chiefs, but also good

906
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 5: special teams. They get three free points on offense, and

907
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 5: they kind of get three free points after this bad

908
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 5: roughing call the first one it happens. It wasn't forcible

909
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: blow to the helmet, but when you watched it at

910
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 5: the right angle, like there was a little contact with

911
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: the helmet, and because he was getting hit hard at

912
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 5: the time, he did naturally like bounce back, and oh,

913
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: an official made a mistake in that play. These players

914
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: are the very best at what they do, and they

915
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 5: make fifty mistakes all game every game, like mistakes happened.

916
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes made a ton of mistakes. Jared Goff made

917
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 5: mistakes like the officialing it's impossible to do, so that

918
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: like when it's something that I can understand can't be

919
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 5: easily overturned, and I think in the future they'll be

920
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 5: able to overturn calls like that, I actually understand. I

921
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 5: don't think that would have been overturned because I think

922
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 5: in the moment there was contact on the helmet and

923
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 5: he gets hit and it's all happening fast moves fast

924
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 5: like that probably would a stand. It's a bang bang

925
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 5: call and they got it wrong. But that that stuff

926
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: happens all the time. Why do we have no I guess,

927
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 5: grace for them making mistakes. It's gonna happen. It happens

928
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 5: in every sport. The next one was a terrible call

929
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 5: where Mahomes is running around and then the two defenders

930
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 5: you know, clash into each other. And that was a

931
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: huge call in the game. But also you know, the

932
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 5: Texans have ultimately like your defense has to be able

933
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: to make a stop after that. It's really unfortunate it was.

934
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 5: It was a big call in the game. I don't

935
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 5: think that's the difference in the game. But I also

936
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 5: think that being the number one story off of those

937
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: two calls when one of them to be to me

938
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 5: was like fine, like they got it wrong, but like

939
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 5: I see wrong calls all the time. Why is it

940
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 5: okay for like coaches and teams and players to make

941
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: do a million wrong things, but like, of course the

942
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 5: refs are going to do some wrong things, like it's

943
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 5: part of the game.

944
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 6: I think what people are rightfully upset about over those

945
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 6: types of things is that there are the tools to

946
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: get it right, but they're not being utilized because they

947
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 6: just in some cases they wreck game flow.

948
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 7: In some cases they just can't.

949
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 6: But in other cases, like replay assists would have been

950
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 6: really helpful on that first but they.

951
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 5: Did so they stopped the game. They never talked about it.

952
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 5: They stopped the game on the first one, and suddenly

953
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 5: they were just like hemming and highing because they were

954
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: didn't know what was going on, and you could tell

955
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: they watched the same replay as us. They did do

956
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: the replay assist and they decided not to change it,

957
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 5: and then you got one more angle later, and I

958
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: don't think they would have that one. I don't think

959
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 5: they would have changed. So I think next year at

960
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: this time that that will be a reviewable play and

961
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 5: the second one probably would get overturned, is what I

962
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 5: think is going to happen because of the high because

963
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 5: of this being in such a spotlight. But I do

964
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: think like replay Assist has made a huge difference this

965
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 5: year in speeding up the game and correcting a lot

966
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: of things quickly, and I just think like that is

967
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 5: not the difference they lost this game. The difference is

968
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes was perfect against pressure and their team had

969
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: a plan against pressure, and CJ. Stroud and the ten

970
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 5: did not have a plan against pressure. Just going back

971
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 5: to what's on the field, Like tell me if you disagree,

972
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 5: Like that to me was the biggest difference in the

973
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 5: defensive coaching for the Chiefs ultimately got over with their

974
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 5: pressure packages late in the game, and that Mahomes handled

975
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 5: the pressure that was coming his way late in the game.

976
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 6: I just think more than one thing can be true

977
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 6: about this game. In fact, many things are true about

978
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 6: this game. And those calls led to points. They extended

979
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 6: drives that led to points. I think that when fans

980
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 6: are angry about those things because they do see the

981
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 6: results of the extension of drives that lead to points,

982
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 6: and those things are significant in a game.

983
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 5: Sure, the second one it wasn't on third down or anything,

984
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 5: so you never know what's going to happen to just

985
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 5: be a different game.

986
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 7: But yeah, it gives them a play.

987
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 6: I mean, like, really, Greg, come on, man, like seriously, like,

988
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 6: let's hold multiple things in our brain at the same

989
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 6: time at the same time, Like the pressure that was

990
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 6: coming at c. J. Stroud all game and in a

991
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 6: lot of cases purely unblocked pressure there were bl and

992
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 6: a lot of those blitz some of those blitzes were successful.

993
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 6: But George Carl Loftis and his three sacks and his

994
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 6: eight pressures according to next Gen and next Gen as

995
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 6: of now, and they adjust things as time goes and

996
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 6: they rewatch and they kind of retract different things.

997
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 7: But he wasn't doubled. He wasn't doubled.

998
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 6: And there were certain plays where he was chipped and

999
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 6: where they would assign like, Okay, you have a tight

1000
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 6: end and you have a running back on you, Like

1001
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 6: we could see some of the ways that Spags was

1002
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 6: then re checking his defense into a different pressure, like

1003
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 6: right before the snap, just because of freeing up some

1004
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 6: of his players to get that extra pressure. And the

1005
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 6: Texans offensive line like did not have a ton of

1006
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 6: answers for that. And yes, I do think that that

1007
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 6: was if we're going to talk about the hierarchy of

1008
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 6: things of a game that had a lot of factors

1009
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 6: that were the reason that the Chiefs won. Another reason,

1010
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 6: and probably the biggest reason, was that pressure. And I

1011
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 6: think the second biggest reason, which we'll get to in

1012
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 6: a few minutes, is the disastrous performance on special teams,

1013
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 6: which really ended up factoring in to this game as well.

1014
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 6: So those three things, I think if we're going to

1015
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 6: rank them, I'm not going to put the calls first,

1016
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 6: of course, not like you know, logic and reason. But

1017
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 6: at the same time, that pressure was absolutely game changing

1018
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 6: for CJ. Stroud and it put him in incredibly stressful

1019
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 6: situations all game. He got banged up early on because

1020
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: he was trying to pick up some yards on the run.

1021
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 6: His scramble rate over the last two games has doubled

1022
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 6: since the course, since the end of the season. He's

1023
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 6: trying to pick up these plays with his legs. He's

1024
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 6: trying to avoid pressure. But he was sacked eight times,

1025
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 6: and that's just not a sustainable way.

1026
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 7: To play football.

1027
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 5: No, and the pressures weren't all equal. He got sacked, yeah,

1028
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 5: eight times, which is just preposterous. He got hit fourteen

1029
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: times in this game. When they first played, the Chiefs

1030
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 5: actually hit Mahomes I think twelve, thirteen, fourteen times, and

1031
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 5: today it was only eight. I mean, they got after

1032
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 5: it in parts. Some they held the Chiefs to under

1033
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty yards of offense. They out gained

1034
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 5: the Chiefs by over one hundred yards and didn't have

1035
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 5: a turnover. They're actually the first team I think in

1036
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 5: the history of the playoffs to outgain an opponent by

1037
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: over one hundred yards, not have a turnover and lose.

1038
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: Teams were forty nine to one, and I saw some

1039
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 5: people say, well, you can like divide up the numbers,

1040
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 5: and it's like, my friend Nick Wright was mentioning, like, yeah,

1041
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 5: I'm sure their success rate was great and all this stuff.

1042
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 5: It's like, no, the success rates were actually about the same.

1043
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 5: Those aren't analytics, like they just that's like as basic

1044
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 5: as it gets. They out gained them by one hundred

1045
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 5: and they didn't have a turnover. Usually that as a

1046
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 5: recipe to win, but they didn't because of what you're

1047
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 5: talking about, the margins on special teams, the margins on

1048
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: the sacks and the pressure, and then the margins on penalties.

1049
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 5: Like the penalty yardage was great, Jordan, given the Greeks

1050
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 5: love Carloftis was absolutely awesome. But yeah, these pressures, they

1051
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 5: weren't equal on the seventeen blitzes they blit. They pressured

1052
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 5: Stroud on what over sixty five percent of those plays,

1053
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 5: twelve pressures on those plays, eight of them were unblocked.

1054
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 5: I mean, you texted me, that's a war crime.

1055
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: That's true.

1056
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 5: It's absolutely true, though, yeah, and like it is like

1057
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 5: that is. The difference to me is that the Chiefs

1058
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: late in the second half of the game actually had

1059
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 5: a pretty good plan against pressure. Mahomes took some sacks,

1060
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 5: but he was nine to fourteen for one hundred and

1061
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 5: forty six yards when he held it over two and

1062
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 5: a half seconds, and when CJ. Stroud held the ball

1063
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 5: over two and a half seconds, the play was over

1064
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 5: and late in the game. And I know I'm rambling here,

1065
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 5: but late in the game. To me, there we do that.

1066
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 7: Greg's okay, this is our safe space for that.

1067
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: Okay, ten nineteen left in the fourth quarter. This is

1068
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 5: still very much a game. The Texans are driving, they

1069
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: have the ball at the Chiefs forty yard line, and

1070
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 5: it's still very much a game. And tech the Chiefs

1071
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 5: blitz four straight times on the Texans. Three are quick pressures,

1072
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 5: the last three are unblocked pressures, and the last one

1073
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 5: is that horrible sequence where they go for it on

1074
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 5: four and ten after the play call. And to me,

1075
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 5: that was the Texans season in a nutshell. And it

1076
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 5: was also Steve Spagnolo knowing exactly where and how to

1077
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 5: blitz and how to completely break both Bobby Slowik and

1078
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 5: c J. Stroud and set Shaq Mason and all the

1079
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 5: offensive linemen's brains and they just won right there and

1080
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: it was basically over at that point.

1081
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1082
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 6: I think one of the things we've seen from Andy Reid,

1083
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 6: and I want to talk about his game plan too,

1084
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 6: because even the the Chiefs only put up what twenty

1085
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 6: three points, I don't have it in front of me,

1086
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 6: and it was a million years ago. But even though

1087
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 6: they did put twenty three, Yeah, even though they didn't

1088
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 6: put up like you know, it's this crazy amount of points.

1089
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 6: I loved Andy Reid's game plan on offense. I want

1090
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 6: to talk about that in a second. I'll tell you why.

1091
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 6: But on one of the things that makes these guys

1092
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: so great and makes them like these long haul truckers

1093
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 6: of a team that just understand what it takes to

1094
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 6: get through those final dark miles right to their destination

1095
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 6: is the fact that they have a brilliant head coach

1096
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 6: on offense, a brilliant quarterback, but also a brilliant head

1097
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 6: coach on defense, and somebody who is going to run

1098
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 6: that entire unit as if it is its ecosystem that

1099
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 6: totally and it complements the offense in a way. But

1100
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 6: it's not like it doesn't play into what the offense

1101
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 6: needs to support the offense. It like does its thing

1102
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 6: as its own entity. And sometimes you see these teams,

1103
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 6: and especially like when the Tampa two surge was happening

1104
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 6: and it became like a lot of that deeper shell stuff.

1105
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 6: When it morphed over time from the early two thousands onward,

1106
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 6: you would see offensive coaches gravitate toward it because it

1107
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 6: would set up their offense right. It would set up

1108
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 6: their offense, it would mitigate damage via explosive plays so

1109
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 6: that the game wasn't lopsided too quickly, so that offensive

1110
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 6: player coaches could stay in their A plus plan. Steve Spagnola,

1111
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 6: Andy Reid, don't give a crap about that.

1112
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 7: They're going for it.

1113
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 6: They're going to be who they are, and they're going

1114
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 6: to be aggressive, and they're going to be smart, and

1115
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 6: they're going to be well coached and fundamentally sound, and

1116
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 6: they're going to know how to get in your head

1117
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 6: and stay there and eat your brain.

1118
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 7: And it's just cool.

1119
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 6: And that's and they just do this and they're so

1120
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 6: experienced at doing this that at a certain point, again,

1121
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 6: when you're in the in the long haul truck and

1122
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 6: the giant semi and you're on the straight line on

1123
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 6: the ten and maybe the lights in the distance start

1124
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 6: to weave back and forth a little bit, you just

1125
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 6: put your elbow up and you just go. And that

1126
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 6: is what Steve Spagnolo and Andy Reid do and do

1127
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 6: it better than almost anyone, if not anyone in the league.

1128
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 5: All Right, we got more to get to with this game.

1129
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 5: Let's just take a quick break. We'll be right back.

1130
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 5: In the first half of this game, and even at

1131
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 5: the beginning of the second half, the Texans offense was winning.

1132
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 5: We got We got a comment from Will Gavin, a

1133
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 5: regular guest of this, so say yeah and beans on

1134
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 5: toast guts, and he also asked, can someone please give

1135
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 5: Spags a job?

1136
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 4: Uh?

1137
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 5: And you need to break up this AFC trio. I

1138
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 5: know that is part of the Chiefs magic is they

1139
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 5: haven't broken up Spags and read you never know. Spags

1140
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: did get some interviews in this cycle. You never know.

1141
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 5: Matt Naggie did too, although I don't think that would

1142
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 5: really impact that the Chiefs too much. They did they

1143
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 5: did just lose their assistant GM. I don't think that's

1144
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 5: going to really hurt the bottom line to the to

1145
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 5: the Titans Mike Borganzi, so shout out to him. But yeah,

1146
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 5: I really thought at the end of that game that

1147
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 5: was that was so massive and it took a while,

1148
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 5: like it, let's be real, we went into the half

1149
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 5: with the Texans out gaining the Chiefs, with the Texans

1150
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 5: having a pretty good run game, like Bobby Slowek after

1151
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 5: eighteen games, finally did establish the run. And I don't

1152
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 5: get on him for putting them in a lot of

1153
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 5: third down situations and going to run, run, pass and

1154
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: didn't always work in this game, because for the most

1155
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 5: part it was working, like they did get the running

1156
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: game going, and you kind of have to know your

1157
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 5: personnel and look what happened when they had got into

1158
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 5: clear passing situations. If anything, you could criticize SLOK for

1159
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 5: passing their four straight times like late in the game

1160
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 5: when they should be running, because when they got the

1161
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 5: ball after halftime and they went down on what was

1162
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: one of their best drives of the season, a fifteen play,

1163
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 5: eighty two yard ten minute drive that ended on a

1164
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 5: mix and run after a really good fourth down pickup,

1165
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 5: like you thought they were in it, and then the

1166
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 5: special teams kicked in. Tell me about Kayimi Fairband's game,

1167
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 5: I mean that's just yeah.

1168
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 6: I mean you had to feel for him at a

1169
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 6: certain point because he's been pretty good all year. I

1170
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 6: think he only missed two kicks prior to this game

1171
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 6: all year. They lost seven points via two missed excuse me,

1172
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 6: a missed field goal, blockfield goal, a mix missed extra

1173
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 6: point that had a bad punt late in the game

1174
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 6: that gave the Chiefs field position in deep in Texans

1175
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 6: territory that.

1176
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: They opened right to make it two scores.

1177
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, they opened the game in disastrous fashion, not just

1178
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 6: because the kickoff return was a big explosive play. They

1179
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 6: also got a penalty and then you saw just how

1180
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 6: undisciplined they planned to be in that phase all all

1181
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 6: day because Chris Boyd shoved special teams coach Frank Ross

1182
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 6: and like, I get emotions get high.

1183
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 7: Whatever you know was that? Wait?

1184
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 5: I have a theory f on that, Like do you

1185
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 5: think he was actually excited and like because he made

1186
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 5: the tackle that forced to fumble and do you think

1187
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 5: it was like I'm happy shove or I'm mad at you, Schef.

1188
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 5: I was like, I actually think he was celebrating, but

1189
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 5: I could be wrong.

1190
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 7: I think they were fired up. It's one of those things.

1191
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 6: You saw it, Remember when everyone made like a big

1192
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 6: thing about Travis Kelce and Andy Reid being all like

1193
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 6: Travis Kelsey push Dan Reid, Like sometimes people like these

1194
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 6: guys are just they can't even they're fired up. They're

1195
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 6: just two They're out of their own heads, especially on

1196
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 6: special teams. You're opening a game, you're an arrowhead. Like, Okay,

1197
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 6: I'm not going to read into it.

1198
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1199
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 6: I'm sure people talked about a post game, so I'm

1200
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 6: not gonna put words in anyone's mouth without having seen

1201
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 6: them myself. But in those moments, you really saw, oh,

1202
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 6: they're not in this phase specifically, they're not quite ready

1203
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 6: for this moment.

1204
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 7: Whether it was a happy.

1205
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 6: Push, a fired up push, or a mad push, it's

1206
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 6: a push and they're not ready for the moment in

1207
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 6: that phase.

1208
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 7: And they lost in that phase all game long. And

1209
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 7: that was huge, a huge swing in the Chief's favor.

1210
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 6: Because I said this on social media, I was like,

1211
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 6: what do you get for the Chiefs team that has everything?

1212
01:00:58,920 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 7: Already.

1213
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 6: Well, you f up special teams in their favor, and

1214
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 6: that's really what you can give them, because they've been

1215
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 6: winning in these close games in these margins all season,

1216
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 6: and I keep saying I feel I'm still annoying.

1217
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 7: I keep saying the word margins.

1218
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 6: But they keep doing that, and they did it again

1219
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 6: here and they maximize that to the Texans detriment.

1220
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 7: And Texans shot themselves in the foot on that one.

1221
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 5: So that is how you outgained the opponent by one

1222
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 5: hundred yards and don't have a turnover and lose opening

1223
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 5: kickoff that leads to three points. There's three rate there, Fairbairn.

1224
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 5: They decide to go for it on the it was

1225
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 5: windy on that side of the field, fifty two yarder

1226
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 5: in the first half. It's six to three at that point.

1227
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 5: He doesn't even come close to that field goal. Not

1228
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 5: only do you miss miss it, there's another three points.

1229
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 5: I'm just going to write these down. That's three plus three.

1230
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: But the Chiefs go right down the field. That's where

1231
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 5: Kelsey gets the forty nine yard play. They cash in

1232
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 5: and score the touchdown on a short field. I'm I'm

1233
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 5: not going to count this on my special team's total,

1234
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 5: but that was situational foot right there. Fairbairn misses the

1235
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 5: extra point. You know, it's a letdown in that moment,

1236
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 5: but it's also just a point, and the points were

1237
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 5: very valuable at that point. There's another one, and then

1238
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 5: late in the game, they're trying to kick the field

1239
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 5: goal to make it one score and he hits a

1240
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 5: scud missile that gets blocked. But that's you know, you've

1241
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 5: probably talked to special teams coaches who say, like more

1242
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 5: more blocked kicks than not are on the kicker and

1243
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 5: on the kicking operation, and that was another So just

1244
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 5: on special teams, that's ten points right there. And then

1245
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 5: you also mentioned the bad punt which set up the

1246
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 5: field goal that ultimately made it two scores and kind

1247
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 5: of ended the game. So that's more points there. And

1248
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 5: these that came after the fourth and ten fire drill

1249
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 5: where they weren't prepared for the moment. There was just

1250
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 5: a lot of between special teams and then the situational coaching.

1251
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 5: There was also when they rushed to play right for

1252
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 5: the two minute warning at the end of the game

1253
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 5: and took a sack and Steve Spagnola kind of psyched

1254
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 5: out sword with what looked like a cover zero blitz

1255
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 5: and instead they drop out, Like all of this is

1256
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 5: just on the margins where the Texans weren't really ready

1257
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 5: and the Chiefs look like the team that's been there before.

1258
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 7: And the Chiefs on the other side, they kept it

1259
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 7: really simple.

1260
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, Patrick Mahomes is always going to make

1261
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 6: these astounding plays.

1262
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 7: He's the greatest we've ever seen.

1263
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 6: Do it right, and like he can do these things

1264
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 6: like that, like that touchdown pass like that just they

1265
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 6: don't make sense. They just they baffle the brain and

1266
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 6: they scramble you up, and you're like, how could anyone

1267
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 6: stop this? How could anyone think that this would go

1268
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 6: any other way? I haven't written in my notes how

1269
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 6: could any of us have ever thought this would go

1270
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 6: any other way than this? Because of what he's capable

1271
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 6: of doing. But at the same time, I loved how

1272
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 6: simple they kept their game plan. It's like the Texans

1273
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 6: have two of the best outside corners in the entire league.

1274
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 6: They're like second, first and second in limiting completion percentage

1275
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 6: of passer rating among corners this who have played who

1276
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 6: have been targeted fifty plus times into the and including

1277
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 6: into the playoffs, and like, that's Derek Stingley and uh,

1278
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 6: excuse me, I keep I always mess up his name Lassiter.

1279
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I always.

1280
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 5: Like I barely saw them today. Occasionally Derek Stinglely was on,

1281
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 5: was on Kelsey. But those are the plays they.

1282
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 6: Didn't start to forgive me Texans fans, it is twelve

1283
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 6: thirty four in the morning where I'm currently am.

1284
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 7: But they are unbelievable.

1285
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 6: They've been great all year, and to your point, you

1286
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 6: barely see them on your screen other than when Derek

1287
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 6: Seeley's like making these amazing takeaways in the Chargers game.

1288
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 7: Like you're like, oh, yeah, they're pretty dang good. They're there.

1289
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 6: But but what Andy Reid and the Chiefs did was

1290
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 6: they moved the ball toward the middle of the field

1291
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 6: where the Texans are notoriously missing a couple of safeties

1292
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 6: that they would very much have liked to have in

1293
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 6: a game like this, one of whom is playing on

1294
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 6: the other team. And also they used the screen game,

1295
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 6: and they used some of the underneath stuff, and they

1296
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 6: use some of the quick stuff that was just just

1297
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 6: a little bit of misdirection here and there, maximizing the

1298
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 6: space that they did have, and they didn't try to

1299
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 6: go outside of that plan. There was one big explosive

1300
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 6: play downfield early in the game, but at the same time,

1301
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 6: most of it was in the Most of their explosive

1302
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 6: plays and even their mid range plays happened in the

1303
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 6: middle of the field or they came off of these

1304
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 6: dynamic screens, and that was really important because if you're

1305
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 6: going to run those screens and you're going to make

1306
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 6: sure that you force those dynamic and awesome corners to

1307
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 6: come down a little bit more so, then you can

1308
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 6: attack other voids behind them, because you need those guys

1309
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 6: to tackle in space. And then if you're going to

1310
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 6: target the open areas in the middle of the field

1311
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 6: using Travis Kelce, who like somehow in the creakiest looking.

1312
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 7: Way possible, is still like putting up these great.

1313
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 6: Stat lines in must have games, right, and you're going

1314
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 6: to maximize those areas of the field because they're open.

1315
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 6: And it just really was a very simple Nobody was

1316
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 6: asked to go outside of themselves. There was a simple

1317
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 6: game plan, and everybody executed and it wasn't perfect. It

1318
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 6: was only twenty three points, but at the same time,

1319
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 6: between winning and those margins and then also executing a

1320
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 6: very simple game plan.

1321
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 7: I'm gonna put dudes where your dudes are not it

1322
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 7: was it was effective.

1323
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, twenty three points is a lot for

1324
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 5: getting two hundred and twelve yards. Two hundred and twelve

1325
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 5: yards is like bottom ten to fifteen percent of you know,

1326
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 5: an average NFL game this season. But they did get

1327
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 5: the penalty yards, they got the short fields, and yes,

1328
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 5: out of those two hundred and twelve yards, Travis Kelcey

1329
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 5: had one hundred and seventeen on seven catches, one on

1330
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 5: the long display of his postseason, the forty nine yarder,

1331
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 5: the catch and run where he beats Kylen Bullock, who

1332
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 5: who doesn't tackle there? Yeah, you mentioned the safety position.

1333
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 5: It's just such a killer for them. Jalen Petrie brought

1334
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 5: that entire secondary together, and Jimmy Ward was so valuable

1335
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 5: for them. I always mess up and say Justin Reid

1336
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 5: when I think Jimmy Ward, because they both have been

1337
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 5: so good in that Texans defense, and now Justin Reid's

1338
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 5: on the Chiefs.

1339
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 7: But like they miss Jimmy Ward back and.

1340
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 5: Jury's injuries really matter when they're clustered together. And so

1341
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 5: there's two middle of the field slot slash safety players.

1342
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 5: You know, Petrie was playing the slot this year and

1343
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 5: playing it really well. Yeah, and then there's two really

1344
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 5: dynamic wide receivers Stefan Diggs in tanked Dell and that

1345
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 5: really hurt them. The offensive line is there's no excuse

1346
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 5: for that because they've poured resource after resource into that,

1347
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 5: and to me, that's bad coaching. Laramie Tunsel was not

1348
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 5: like a plus player this year, which is a huge

1349
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 5: problem when he's one of the highest paid players in

1350
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 5: the league. Let's actually listen to the chief sacking Stroud

1351
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 5: on the fourth and tent. There's so many failed fourth

1352
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 5: downs it's like hard to keep track. But let's go

1353
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 5: to that one.

1354
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 8: Houston trying to snap it before the playcoun Here comes

1355
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 8: I rush against Stroud on fourth down and.

1356
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 5: He's gonna go down the chase.

1357
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 3: Not only hold, they get a sack.

1358
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 8: Cheorge karloft Us and Shadon Hicks also there. It's not

1359
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 8: only a hole, it's a sack and a loss, and

1360
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 8: the Chiefs will have the ball in Houston territory.

1361
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 3: A fourth down and ten loss of fourteen yards.

1362
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 5: And the Texans were heroic in this game. They actually

1363
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 5: stood up there and forced the Chiefs to punt, but

1364
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 5: that play call still mattered. I think, knowing where they

1365
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 5: were in terms of how they were playing on offense,

1366
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 5: I would have it's a rare time where I'm like,

1367
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 5: I don't think you should have gone for it on

1368
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 5: fourth down, And it absolutely mattered because that changed the

1369
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 5: field position in a game where there wasn't a lot

1370
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 5: of offensive yards and directly led, you know, to that

1371
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,959
Speaker 5: bad punt that we were talking about by the Texans

1372
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 5: and basically ended the game. They were they were too good.

1373
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, the field position on some of those, including the

1374
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 6: punt and then also the fourth down there definitely helped

1375
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 6: the Chiefs out. Sheil Caapatia, who we both really like.

1376
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 6: I know, he posted on Blue Sky that of the

1377
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 6: seven real possessions the Chiefs had, they did score on

1378
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 6: five of them, two touchdowns, three field goals. So still,

1379
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 6: like you know, looked it looked uglier, right, But some

1380
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 6: of that was game flow, Some of that was possession

1381
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 6: of where they started with the ball, some of that

1382
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 6: was you know, a couple of those it just looked

1383
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 6: creaky at times, but I guess that you.

1384
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 7: Know, they're long haul truckers, man, We're going to expect

1385
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 7: this from them, and.

1386
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 5: I know that's the win football. That's one of the

1387
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 5: reasons I love football is every game is can have

1388
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 5: such a different character. And the Chiefs are so amazing

1389
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 5: at being able to play any sort of game. And

1390
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 5: the Patriots got way too much credit during their dynasty,

1391
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 5: probably just for their situational football, and the Chiefs are

1392
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 5: just so good at that because cause you're right in

1393
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 5: the end, like it's not like the Chiefs offense had

1394
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 5: like a really low success rate or anything throughout the

1395
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 5: course of the game. It dipped later in the end,

1396
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 5: but they got done mostly what they got needed to

1397
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 5: be done. But they played, they played to the score,

1398
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 5: and they did exactly what they needed to do. And

1399
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 5: you get the sense they were almost just kind of

1400
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 5: for part of the game getting a little loose, you

1401
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 5: know what I mean. It was like theory, they got

1402
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 5: loose and next week they're going to play better.

1403
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 7: I have a theory.

1404
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 6: I'm not personally annoyed with the Chiefs, but I see

1405
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 6: a lot on social media, which is not really real,

1406
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 6: but you do see it, like people are annoyed with

1407
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 6: the Chiefs.

1408
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 7: But I have a theory about it.

1409
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 6: I think we're all a bit traumatized from like remember

1410
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 6: in college when like everyone was on the group project,

1411
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 6: and then you know, the person who would do just

1412
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 6: enough but not a lot more than was needed in

1413
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 6: that moment would still be a part of the a

1414
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 6: and like the overachievers would always be the ones that

1415
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 6: were getting mad. I just think that in my theory,

1416
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 6: the chiefs know how to do this, they know how

1417
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 6: to manage the project right because they're getting just enough

1418
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 6: done and it looks weird at times, and all of

1419
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 6: a sudden you look at the box score in the

1420
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 6: advanced statistics and some of the efficiency and you're like, actually,

1421
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 6: that wasn't that bad, Like you actually did You did

1422
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 6: exactly what was asked of you.

1423
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 5: You needed to do right in this week, it should

1424
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 5: work that only Travis Kelcey and Xavier Worthy had like

1425
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 5: all the catches in all the yards. By the way,

1426
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy made two of the best catches he made

1427
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 5: all season in this game, a contested catch early and

1428
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 5: then another one going away from him to set up

1429
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 5: a score, and a really nice throw by Mahomes, like

1430
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: he has absolutely stepped up. Other than that, Noah Gray

1431
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 5: went three for thirteen and then the combination of Kareem Hunt,

1432
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins who didn't have a catch, Juju Smith Schuster

1433
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 5: who didn't have a catch, Soma J. P Ryan and

1434
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:49,959
Speaker 5: Isaiah Pacheco had a total of I think eight targets

1435
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 5: for two yards and they got it done. Anyways, the

1436
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 5: protection after the beginning mostly held up and they will

1437
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 5: move on. It is just it's incredible to make seven

1438
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 5: straight AFC championship.

1439
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 6: I know it doesn't it just it's almost hard to

1440
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 6: process it and it's but it's really cool to watch

1441
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 6: every other team, Greg, I talk about this with you

1442
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 6: all the time, Like every other team strains and presses

1443
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 6: and clenches and gets so tight and terribly injured. And

1444
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 6: like the Chiefs haven't been immune to injuries either, but

1445
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 6: like they seem to be immune to this burnout thing

1446
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 6: that all of these other teams get.

1447
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 5: They just got twenty five days off. I wouldn't be

1448
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 5: burnt out either.

1449
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not talking about this season specifically, I'm talking

1450
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 6: about every year. I mean, they play longer, they play

1451
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 6: more football games on average than any other team in

1452
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 6: the NFL, and they get less time really at the

1453
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 6: end of the season to recuperate and part of it,

1454
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 6: I think is that Andy Reid is not losing some

1455
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 6: of these really high quality coordinators, and if it happens

1456
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 6: on the offensive side, he seems to just pick things

1457
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 6: up where he left off. And certainly on the defensive side,

1458
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 6: spags more than pulls his weight, if not way more

1459
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 6: than that.

1460
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 7: So I think that helps.

1461
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 6: But at the same time, I mean, especially when you

1462
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 6: have guys who are getting old and like it, and

1463
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 6: problems along the offensive line that they've had all season,

1464
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 6: and yet they just go and it's like this unstoppable

1465
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 6: force and at some point they're going to meet in

1466
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 6: a movable object and that's going to be chaos and

1467
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 6: fireworks coming up in the next couple of weeks.

1468
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 5: And you get a break or two, like a miss missed,

1469
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 5: an opposing kicker having a bit.

1470
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 6: Like a call, You get a caller two that you

1471
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 6: seem to think that you seem to think like did

1472
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 6: not matter at all in this game.

1473
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 7: But I think you get a caller too.

1474
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 5: I think it absolutely mattered. I just think it's just

1475
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 5: it's lower.

1476
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 7: It's not the only thing. I'm not saying it's the

1477
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 7: only thing. It is a thing. It's certainly not.

1478
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 5: People are people are just so tired of the quarterback thing.

1479
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 5: But it's just weird, like you're going to go through

1480
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 5: the rest of your life complaining about these calls if

1481
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 5: you keep complaining about these calls, because it's never ever change,

1482
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 5: like there will always be bad calls, Like there's always

1483
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 5: going to be bad throws. There's there's never going to

1484
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 5: be a moment where you get to the point and

1485
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 5: they'll they'll try to improve it. I think let's go,

1486
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 5: let's go more replays. I think they will expand replay review,

1487
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 5: which which will be good. We don't need to.

1488
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 6: Get and I simply let people feel their feelings.

1489
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 5: Greg, that's no, no, I am going to control their feelings.

1490
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 5: Shout out to the YouTube commentary who says, my dole

1491
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 5: hoodie is sick. By the way, when I was, you know,

1492
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 5: writing down those points, it was supposed to pay off

1493
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 5: with me adding it all up on my note card

1494
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 5: here and yes, that's just the chicken scratches of the

1495
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 5: seven miss points from fair Baron's kicks and then the

1496
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 5: three off the opening kick. Add that all up, that's

1497
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 5: ten points you know for one by nine. Of course,

1498
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 5: they took the intentional safety at the end, which was cute,

1499
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 5: and depending on where you bet on this, if you

1500
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 5: are into that sort of thing, it was either eight

1501
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 5: and a half or nine and a half, So it

1502
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 5: might have might have affected your day, and luckily doesn't

1503
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 5: affect our day because I'm not allowed to do that.

1504
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 5: The Chiefs, by the way, are the first team ever

1505
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 5: to go eight straight games without a turnover. That's a

1506
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 5: stat that I feel likes a little underrated, like in

1507
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 5: the history of the NFL, first team ever h wins.

1508
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 6: Football games that win football games. I was more concerned

1509
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 6: about Walker's emotional state. I know he's a big Texans fan.

1510
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 7: It felt bad for him.

1511
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 5: Why do you got to bring that up?

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01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 7: Well, I felt bad. How's he doing?

1513
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 6: I think the audience, the listeners should know he took it.

1514
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 6: He took it kind of hard today, I think, right,

1515
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 6: I feel bad for him.

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, he left the room, put a blanket on his head,

1517
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 5: like yelled at us essentially for like continuing to watch it.

1518
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 5: I was like, you need to you need to handle

1519
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 5: this better, So turn the volume down, you know, with

1520
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 5: like three minutes left, I'm like, uh, they're driving, you know,

1521
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 5: on that last drive.

1522
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 6: You know.

1523
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 5: Then he comes in for the the third down and

1524
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 5: they take the sack and he just like runs back out.

1525
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 7: I mean he I mean he tried to control your feelings, Greg.

1526
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 5: What Yeah, he did, he did try to control it.

1527
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 5: He was just he wanted total silence. He was so upset.

1528
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 5: And then he was talking about becoming like a Michael

1529
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: Pennox Falcons fan. But I was like, you can't do that.

1530
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 7: It was there, They'll get there Walker stick with them.

1531
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: No, he will absolutely stick with with CJ. It was

1532
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 5: just emotions in the moment. A lot of people were

1533
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 5: feeling that. And yet you know, we we knew it

1534
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 5: would be an arrowhead. We have to find out if

1535
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 5: it's going to be the Bills or the Ravens joining

1536
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 5: the Chiefs Man. We we could get to a lot more,

1537
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 5: but we shouldn't. We should We should say goodbye and

1538
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 5: let you go to sleep. I'm like, oh, we had

1539
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 5: all this other sound we had, Damiko, Ryan's complaining. It

1540
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 5: doesn't matter at this point, Jordan, thank you. This is

1541
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 5: the last time I think we're going live for the year.

1542
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 5: We will be back on Sunday though in the studio.

1543
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 5: Have fun covering Rams and Eagles on Sunday. Everyone check

1544
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 5: out Jordan's coverage at the Athletic. I'm looking forward to it.

1545
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 7: Thank you snowgame guys. It's going to be a snow game.

1546
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

1547
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 6: I know I am prepared. I don't know how the

1548
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 6: Rams will be in the snow, but I personally. We

1549
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 6: have a great coat gloves. I will be sitting behind

1550
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 6: glass in like twenty layers. I'm sure looking soft as hell,

1551
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 6: so that's fine.

1552
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 7: But I'm excited. This should be a really good one.

1553
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 5: Yes, I am too, and we will of course be

1554
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 5: recapping that game from the studio. I'll be with Patrick

1555
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 5: Claibhn and Nick Schuk play the music. Eric, let's go please,

1556
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 5: I need to end this thing. Yes for Jordan Rodriege

1557
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 5: of the Athletic and Eric Roberts behind the glass. When

1558
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 5: the Lions are breaking America's hearts. We love you, commanders,

1559
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 5: but the Lions you still broke our hearts. Football is

1560
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 5: It's back. See you Sunday,