WEBVTT - 202. Body dysmorphia

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they

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<v Speaker 1>mean for our psychology.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>the psychology of our twenties. Of your twenties. Before we begin,

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<v Speaker 2>a brief trigger warning that this episode does deal with

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<v Speaker 2>some fairly in depth discussions around weight loss, weight gain, appearance,

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<v Speaker 2>and eating disorders. So please do just take a second

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<v Speaker 2>to consider whether you are in a healthy mental space,

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy mindset to be listening to this right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode will still be here in a few days,

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<v Speaker 2>in a week, in a few months, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>always return to it when the time is right, when

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<v Speaker 2>the time is better. Let's get into it today. We

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be talking about a pretty vulnerable topic,

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<v Speaker 2>one that has I think especially serious implications for our

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<v Speaker 2>mental health, both in our twenties and beyond and even before,

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<v Speaker 2>and it can also just be such a present and

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming shadow in our lives, our thoughts, our feelings, our

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<v Speaker 2>opinions about our body do have this incredible capacity to

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<v Speaker 2>really influence every other area of our daily life, of

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<v Speaker 2>our existence, of our values, of our relationships, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>we really do tend to kind of keep it out

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<v Speaker 2>of the light of day. We really avoid discussing this

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<v Speaker 2>openly because I think of, you know, well, shame and

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<v Speaker 2>how hard it is to come out and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, I really dislike my body, I really

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<v Speaker 2>hate some part of me, or I'm fixated on my

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<v Speaker 2>appearance and I don't know how to stop it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's also what it comes down to is embarrassment

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<v Speaker 2>as well as shame, the sense that caring this much

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<v Speaker 2>about your looks is somehow, you know, vapid or vain,

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<v Speaker 2>when actually it goes so much deeper than what other

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<v Speaker 2>people might want to label it. It is and can

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<v Speaker 2>be very disordered, a very disordered pattern of thinking, and

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that, something that is hugely and largely beyond our control.

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<v Speaker 2>I've come to realize the more I also choose to

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<v Speaker 2>speak more openly about this experience, how many of us

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<v Speaker 2>are struggling with some form of negative and harsh thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about our bodies, about our weight, about our appearance. But

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't think that given how much we have trained

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves in society has trained us to be silent about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond that, it hasn't just trained us to be silent,

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<v Speaker 2>it's also trained us to view and treat our body

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<v Speaker 2>like it is a constant, working progress rather than something

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<v Speaker 2>that we can just be satisfied with as it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So consider this your safe space. We're going to discuss

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<v Speaker 2>everything to do with this today, specifically the topic of

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<v Speaker 2>body dysmorphia and what that actually means. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>hear a lot of people talk about how you know

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<v Speaker 2>they are dissatisfied with their appearance, with their weight. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that always body dysmorphia? Or can we just have symptoms

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<v Speaker 2>without a diagnosable condition. The other point that people mention

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<v Speaker 2>is how it's really difficult to even be able to

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<v Speaker 2>tell what we look like. How a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>are really struggling with just a genuine acknowledgment of our

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<v Speaker 2>appearance and how other people see us. Is that body

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<v Speaker 2>dysmorphia or is that something else? What is the actual

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<v Speaker 2>I would say pathology and criteria behind BDD body dysmorphic disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to discuss all of that, including the

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<v Speaker 2>origins of this condition, what makes us more susceptible, including

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<v Speaker 2>the impact of toxic gym and diet culture, how it

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<v Speaker 2>manifests the impact, but also some stories from you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners, who were really vulnerable and open about their

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<v Speaker 2>personal experiences. And I also just want to talk more

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<v Speaker 2>generally about what it means to really dislike your body

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<v Speaker 2>without having BDD, and why that is becoming increasingly more common,

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<v Speaker 2>and what we can actually do about it. What are

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<v Speaker 2>ways of interrupting this really negative belief system that our

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<v Speaker 2>appearance is really at the core of our worth all

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<v Speaker 2>matters more than it does. So we have so much

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, so much research, so much science, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course so much psychology. So without further ado, let

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<v Speaker 2>us get into it. Body dysmorphia is one of those

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<v Speaker 2>conditions that I think we've all heard about, which is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely enlargely misunderstood. So to start off with, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to get our kind of basics downpat what actually

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<v Speaker 2>is BDD. So BDD body dysmorphic disorder is a mental

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<v Speaker 2>health condition, and it's a lot more than feeling occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>negative about your body. It is an entire pattern roundabout

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<v Speaker 2>cycle maze, inescapable maze of negative emotions, negative perceptions, and

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<v Speaker 2>negative feelings that are all directed towards your appearance. And

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<v Speaker 2>what it really involves is an obsessive focus and shame

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<v Speaker 2>and anxiety around some perceived flaw in our appearance. This

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<v Speaker 2>often very small feature of us. It could be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some feature of our face, our physique, muscle mass, our skin,

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<v Speaker 2>combination of all of those things, our weight, our height,

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<v Speaker 2>and this feature becomes a preoccupation, regardless of whether it

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<v Speaker 2>is real or imagined, no matter how small it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I say real or imagined, I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that we really dislike about ourselves. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be so tiny and obscure that no one

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<v Speaker 2>else would ever notice it. But for us, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like a huge part of who we are. It feels

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<v Speaker 2>like we exist in the world, and as we are existing,

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<v Speaker 2>this huge spotlight is highlighting to ourselves and everybody around us,

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<v Speaker 2>this feature that we really don't like. Even when others

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<v Speaker 2>say that we look amazing, they compliment us, they say

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<v Speaker 2>we look lovely, They reassure us that no one is

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<v Speaker 2>noticing this floor that we are focused on. We can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe them. There is a part of us that is

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<v Speaker 2>quite honestly delusional and constantly tells us that all these

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<v Speaker 2>other people must be lying, just can't see it, they

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<v Speaker 2>must be blind in some way. And so we continue

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<v Speaker 2>to have this like hyper focus on this floor, and

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<v Speaker 2>we normally resort to repetitive behaviors in order to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of self soothe or regain some control over this aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of our appearance that is causing mental tension. So these

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<v Speaker 2>behaviors are things like always checking ourselves in the mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>constant mirror checking, constant grooming and touching or skin picking,

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<v Speaker 2>only choosing clothes that will hide this feature or a

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<v Speaker 2>part of yourself. So these are actually called BDD safety behaviors,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're one step above avoidance, whereby they make us

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we have control over what part of us

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<v Speaker 2>is being made visible to others, and therefore we can

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<v Speaker 2>control the judgments that we assume people are making about

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<v Speaker 2>us based on this feature. So it's not just that

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<v Speaker 2>we have a fixation on this floor. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>that we have this personal spotlight. It's also that in

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<v Speaker 2>order to be meeting the criteria of BDD, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to become obsessed with how you can fix it. In

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<v Speaker 2>our minds, if the floor was to disappear or suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>go away, so would all of our mental distress. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we are always searching or coming up with a

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<v Speaker 2>plan to erase this part of us, whether that is

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<v Speaker 2>through excessive exercise, intense skincare routines, or cosmetic surgery. So

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetic surgery has a really important kind of place in

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<v Speaker 2>this discussion, now that I've kind of brought it up,

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<v Speaker 2>what I found was really interesting when I was really

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<v Speaker 2>digging into this research is that whilst only about I

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<v Speaker 2>would say three to five percent of the general population

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<v Speaker 2>has BDD, and that's even quite a generous statistic, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably sitting at around three point five amongst people who

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<v Speaker 2>pursue cosmetic interventions, not just surgery but fillers and actions,

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<v Speaker 2>non invasive procedures, that prevalence of BDD in that population

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<v Speaker 2>rises to almost twenty five percent. So, depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about cosmetic surgery, you may think that this

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<v Speaker 2>could provide some relief to people with BDD. It's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a treatment, right, you know, if they're experiencing so

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<v Speaker 2>much shame, associated with their appearance. Here is this fix.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the other hand, this is a multi billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar industry that makes its money on exacerbating and preying

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<v Speaker 2>on these insecurities and the purported ability to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fix them. We have to remember BDD is a mental disorder,

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<v Speaker 2>not a physical disorder. The problem is with cosmetic intervention

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<v Speaker 2>is that it actually often makes people with body dysmorphic

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<v Speaker 2>disorder feel worse or actually just the same. After the procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>They may even become more preoccupied with the perceived floor

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<v Speaker 2>because it has just changed, it hasn't gone away, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can seek further medic procedures, leading to at times

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<v Speaker 2>an addiction. So something that really fascinated me about this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of interaction between body dysmorphic disorder and cosmetic surgery

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<v Speaker 2>is the study that said that, yes, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who pursue cosmetic surgery would actually make the criteria

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<v Speaker 2>for this mental condition, but more so, they are actually

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<v Speaker 2>also the people that are most likely to take legal

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<v Speaker 2>action against surgeons because even when the surgeon in their

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<v Speaker 2>mind has fixed this flaw, you know, it's it hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>gone away, just because it's you know, physical form has

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<v Speaker 2>changed this feature of us is once again a preoccupation

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<v Speaker 2>that it's coming from something that is kind of mentally

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<v Speaker 2>disturbed or mentally I don't like to say broken. Mentally

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<v Speaker 2>different is probably a better way mentally disordered, right, It's

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<v Speaker 2>just not an accurate reflection of what we actually look like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an accurate reflection of our physical forms, So

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't actually matter if that feature of us changes.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously not everybody with BDD is going to seek

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<v Speaker 2>out cosmetic surgery, but I think it does really reveal

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<v Speaker 2>to us how hard it is to control such a

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<v Speaker 2>loud and persistent thoughts about our body, and why it

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<v Speaker 2>does seem that drastic measures will be the only solution

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<v Speaker 2>to silence them. This is often why as well BDD

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<v Speaker 2>is compared to parallel disorders like OCD and eating disorders.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that one might have come to mind

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<v Speaker 2>for you almost immediately, And these disorders in particular have

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<v Speaker 2>a high chromobility. With BDD, that means that often not often,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's not uncommon for people to have

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<v Speaker 2>a dual diagnosis. So for these two things to be

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<v Speaker 2>occurring at the same time, for somebody to have BDD

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<v Speaker 2>and an eating disorder or OCD and BDD. So the

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<v Speaker 2>comparison to OCD really emerges because of the excessive sixuation

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<v Speaker 2>which results in compulsive behaviors, which really kind of follows

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<v Speaker 2>a similar format to how OCD manifests. However, with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>body dysmorphia, it's really solely based on an obsession and

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<v Speaker 2>a compulsion to do with appearance. So the link to

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<v Speaker 2>eating disorders is also quite a common one. If someone

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<v Speaker 2>is that disgusted i would say, almost tormented by their appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes this can really manifest in disordered eating habits, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to control this aspect of yourself through whatever behavior

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<v Speaker 2>or means necessary. But it's also important to remember that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people with BEDD do actually just have

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<v Speaker 2>quite normal eating patterns, like you can have BDD without

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<v Speaker 2>abnormal eating. It's also interesting because people who are experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>anorexia or binge eating disorder or bolimia, yes, they may

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<v Speaker 2>find that this has resulted from initial feelings of like

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<v Speaker 2>extreme dissatisfaction and fixation with some perceived flaw. But also

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<v Speaker 2>another component of this is that sometimes there is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>behaviors like restricting food or excessive exercising or purging can

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<v Speaker 2>also emerge simply from a place of control, not just

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<v Speaker 2>bodily modification, which is why I think BDD is really

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<v Speaker 2>deserving of its own separate diagnosis. All right, so let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about risk factors here. There are obviously some people

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<v Speaker 2>who are a lot more susceptible to this than others,

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<v Speaker 2>like most mental health conditions, And when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>mental health conditions and we talk about who's at risk,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing it mostly comes down to, or always

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<v Speaker 2>comes back to in some sense, is family history. If

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<v Speaker 2>someone in your close or your immediate family has endured BDD,

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<v Speaker 2>your chances go up quite a bit. This, You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it comes down to genetic predisposition, but also exposure and

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<v Speaker 2>life experiences. You know, if that individual with BDD was

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<v Speaker 2>a parent, their own experience with this condition is going

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<v Speaker 2>to influence how they raise you and how they parent you,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as they may try for it not to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if this kind of condition goes untreated, it

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<v Speaker 2>does have the impact of bleeding into all these other

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<v Speaker 2>aspects of our lives, including our relationships. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>I heard from someone who spoke about how their mother

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<v Speaker 2>was obsessed with slimness for all her life. She would

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<v Speaker 2>endure these like drastic diets. She got multiple surgeries in

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<v Speaker 2>the pursuit of this small body, this small physique. She

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<v Speaker 2>would always comment on her weight to others. She really

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<v Speaker 2>never seemed happy regardless of the results, So definitely meeting

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<v Speaker 2>the criteria for BDD here and as a child, this

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<v Speaker 2>person spoke about how her mother really implanted a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those beliefs in her through the way that she,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, controlled her as a parent. She would, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>control her food. For example, she would choose flattering clothes

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<v Speaker 2>and colors for her and tell her these are the

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<v Speaker 2>colors that you should wear, or you can't wear those things,

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<v Speaker 2>they make you look fat. She was constantly commenting on

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<v Speaker 2>her skin, especially as she hit puberty and developed acne.

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<v Speaker 2>And this person said to me, you know, two years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I got the same diagnosis that my mum had gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes I think how much of it was genetic

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<v Speaker 2>and how much of it was environmental? And was my

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the environment of my upbringing. Because in those situations,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you meant to develop a healthy sense of

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<v Speaker 2>self esteem? How are you meant to detach your appearance

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<v Speaker 2>from your self worth? When that kind of preoccupation is

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<v Speaker 2>being passed down to you by the person in your

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<v Speaker 2>life that matters the most to you as a child,

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<v Speaker 2>which is your caregiver. This kind of example, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like to say example, this person's experienceerience, Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>very much personal experience. Really demonstrates to me as well

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<v Speaker 2>how negative life experiences also play a really crucial role,

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<v Speaker 2>especially experiences like childhood bullying, like neglect, like teasing, like abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>So I actually have a story about this that is

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<v Speaker 2>from my own life that I've never really shared before

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. You know, it never really came up,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is one of my earliest and most lucid

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<v Speaker 2>memories from childhood. It's also one of those moments that

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<v Speaker 2>really goes to show how, you know, passing words can

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<v Speaker 2>really leave quite a lifelong mark. So when I was

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<v Speaker 2>around seven, six or seven years old, I used to

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<v Speaker 2>always go to out of after school hours care Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's a thing everywhere in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, both my parents were working, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I like stayed at the school a little bit longer

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<v Speaker 2>with like other kids whose parents were also working or

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<v Speaker 2>also had things to do. And we were watching this

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<v Speaker 2>movie with a bunch of other kids called the little princess,

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<v Speaker 2>and this boy turns to me and he goes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you would look just like her if you weren't so fat.

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<v Speaker 2>I have never been able to shake those words, even

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<v Speaker 2>to this day. They have left such an imprint on me.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the first time that I ever felt

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<v Speaker 2>shame about my body. And I think when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a teenager. Now as an adult, my whole life, my

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<v Speaker 2>weight has been a point of fixation for me. There

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<v Speaker 2>has never been a period of my life where I've

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<v Speaker 2>been satisfied with how I look or how I weigh,

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<v Speaker 2>how I feel in my body, and I often wonder

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<v Speaker 2>whether that would have been different if that hadn't happened,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was almost like this new you know, It

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<v Speaker 2>was almost like that was the beginning, Like I became

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<v Speaker 2>conscious of everything that I could change that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like myself, and the fact that people could observe these

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<v Speaker 2>things that I didn't like about myself and could make

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<v Speaker 2>judgments or mean comments to me about my appearance, and

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<v Speaker 2>it mattered. It's also really interesting to me how that

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<v Speaker 2>continues to come up as a problem for me in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. I posted like this random video on my

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram a few weeks ago. If you follow me over there,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you'll know which one it is. And it

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<v Speaker 2>reached an audience that I basically like didn't intend it

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<v Speaker 2>to like. It went semi viral, and the audience was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, men in their like thirties and forties who

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you didn't agree with what I was saying. And

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<v Speaker 2>as always goes with those situations, if like a middle

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<v Speaker 2>aged man doesn't agree with what you're saying, the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing they're going to resort to doing is making a

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<v Speaker 2>comment about your weight or your appearance. And oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>did I not get hundreds of them? And they were awful,

0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.920
<v Speaker 2>And the only thing I could think of was, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, this is just like this all over again.

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<v Speaker 2>It brought me right back to that version of me

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<v Speaker 2>who was first really made aware that her body wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>just there to climb and to run and to play

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<v Speaker 2>and to giggle and to eat yummy foods like it

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<v Speaker 2>was there to be judged. Those early life experiences might

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<v Speaker 2>seem very far in the past, but they definitely linger,

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<v Speaker 2>especially since BDD typically starts, you know, in our early

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<v Speaker 2>teen years when everything is so formative, but also when

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<v Speaker 2>those childhood experiences and memories are a lot more fresh

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<v Speaker 2>and we are a lot more impressionable. So there are

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<v Speaker 2>some other risk factors, including personality traits like perfectionism. If

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<v Speaker 2>we are, of course preoccupied with being flawless in every

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<v Speaker 2>other area of our life, of course our appearance is

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<v Speaker 2>going to come into that. You know, the existence of

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<v Speaker 2>even a tiny perceived floor, a bad skin day, stretch

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<v Speaker 2>marks a facial feature that can really disrupt our whole

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<v Speaker 2>identity and be quite distressing. I will say something that

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<v Speaker 2>is not a fact to hear is gender. So with

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<v Speaker 2>eating disorders, for example, there is you know, typically a

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<v Speaker 2>much higher prevalence amongst women. It's normally around three times

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<v Speaker 2>the rates that we would see in men for things

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<v Speaker 2>like anorexia and bolimia. But for BDD men and women,

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<v Speaker 2>people of all genders are influenced the same, It just

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<v Speaker 2>expresses itself quite differently. One area that this is really

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<v Speaker 2>evident to me is when it comes to weight. Women

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<v Speaker 2>typically want to be thinner, whereas men want more muscle.

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<v Speaker 2>They're preoccupied with gaining weight. Obviously this isn't always the case,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do think that it's a distinction that we

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<v Speaker 2>can really see when we just look around ourselves, when

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<v Speaker 2>we just compare what our male friends versus our female

0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:53.240
<v Speaker 2>friends complain about when it comes to their size. So

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<v Speaker 2>in the DSM there is even a specifier around this

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<v Speaker 2>particular kind of BDD that results from muscles dysmorphia, whereby

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<v Speaker 2>somebody is really engrossed with the idea that their body

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<v Speaker 2>build is too small. They are not muscular enough to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen as I don't know, manly, or to be

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<v Speaker 2>seen as big enough, or worthy enough, or like strong enough,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. This, in my mind can also be

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<v Speaker 2>really attributed to, I would say, a rise in toxic

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<v Speaker 2>gym culture and this idea of big erexia. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a term that I learned from a recent article

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<v Speaker 2>by the Guardian and they talk about like how you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we all know what anorexia is. This is a play

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<v Speaker 2>on words, and anorexia is typically associated with the pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of smallness and thinness, whereas big erexia is this pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of being as huge as possible. And in this article

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<v Speaker 2>they spoke to some you know, guys and some women

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<v Speaker 2>as well, but mainly men about the lengths that they

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<v Speaker 2>are willing to go to to achieve this, and how

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how many people say, wow, like you are

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<v Speaker 2>so huge, huge, You're massive, Like every time they look

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<v Speaker 2>in the mirror, they do not see that. They see

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<v Speaker 2>themselves as tiny. And this one man in this article

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about how he would like eat the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing he would eat would be like chicken breasts and

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<v Speaker 2>protein sources. And he was like, I looked amazing, Like

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind, I looked so huge, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>so unhealthy, and like his kidneys started failing and his

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<v Speaker 2>livers started failing. And I think that that really comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to this crucial point, which is that this obsession

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<v Speaker 2>with a muscular body is largely ignored because it's seen

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<v Speaker 2>as healthy or a worthwhile bodily pursuit. Because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's unhealthy about strength, and what's unhealthy about spending time

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<v Speaker 2>in the gym, what's unhealthy with fueling your body in

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<v Speaker 2>this opt optimal way, what's unhealthy about protein? And I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people experiencing this, witnessing this would

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<v Speaker 2>be quick to highlight how easy it is for this

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<v Speaker 2>to tip into very unhealthy and maladaptive terrain. How this

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<v Speaker 2>is just another version of an unrealistic or an extreme

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:17.119
<v Speaker 2>expectation for our body image that is promoted by certain

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<v Speaker 2>in groups and certain cultures and certain aspects of society.

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<v Speaker 2>So this distinction, this general distinction is I think between

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<v Speaker 2>weight loss and weight gain for different genders is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>a reflection of what society expects from men and women,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the beauty ideals that each gender is very

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<v Speaker 2>much forced to endure. And we can't ignore that component,

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<v Speaker 2>the influence of our social conditioning and how we have

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<v Speaker 2>been taught to hate our bodies, not instinctially but through

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<v Speaker 2>external influence. So BDD, I think, is what I would

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<v Speaker 2>call a modern day disorder because it really has arisen

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<v Speaker 2>mainly in the last one hundred years, probably even twenty

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty years specifically, and it's really emerged, as some

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<v Speaker 2>researchers would say, from the fact that we now have

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<v Speaker 2>more comparison points than ever to judge ourselves based on,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are increasingly being exposed to this messaging around

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<v Speaker 2>what we should look like and what is not desirable.

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<v Speaker 2>This is because things like TV, advertising, social media, they

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<v Speaker 2>have made us more aware of the social norms around

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<v Speaker 2>attraction and what society sees as beautiful or not. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>they've exposed us to what other people look like, meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, more opportunities to come up short and compare.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally, you know, the media uses looks and appearance

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<v Speaker 2>as something through which they can influence and sell us things,

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<v Speaker 2>And so let's be honest, they benefit from us not

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<v Speaker 2>feeling great. They benefit from us seeing a beautiful person

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<v Speaker 2>on TV and wanting whatever skincare product that they're using,

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 2>or seeing you know, a huge, huge guy on some

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<v Speaker 2>superhero movie and admiring not just this plotline and this

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 2>narrative around him being a hero, but the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he looks so great and the fact that we could

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<v Speaker 2>copy his work out routine, and the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>is like this really jacked cool guy. And the sociocultural

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>theory of self esteem would tell you that the messages

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<v Speaker 2>given to us by the media about the importance of

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<v Speaker 2>appearance and what is hot and what is attractive and

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<v Speaker 2>what looks good, they are so easily internalized by us

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<v Speaker 2>as individuals, and they also so easily influence how we

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<v Speaker 2>treat ourselves, our standards, our habits, and our behaviors. I

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<v Speaker 2>think as we feel more pressure to conform with that,

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<v Speaker 2>we become more aware once again of the aspects of

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves that we feel will be judged based on prevailing

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<v Speaker 2>norms of attraction. If I am not thinn does that

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<v Speaker 2>mean I will be unhappy? If I I'm not bigger,

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<v Speaker 2>If I don't fix my nose, if I don't fix

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<v Speaker 2>my skin, does that mean that I will never find love?

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Will they consider me for this job? If my hair

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<v Speaker 2>is thinning, If I'm too frail, if whatever, my teeth

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 2>aren't straight? And all of it comes back to this idea,

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 2>this irrational belief that the secret to happiness is our appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to share another person's experience here because I

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<v Speaker 2>think they articulated it so well, in a much better

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<v Speaker 2>way than I ever could. I've struggled with body dysmorphia

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<v Speaker 2>and eating disorders since I was twelve. I'm twenty two now.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year I started recovery and treatment after being at

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<v Speaker 2>my lowest with my symptoms, so I had the urge

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<v Speaker 2>of seeking help. It's been a tough journey and very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to accept the diagnosis. The mind blowing thing is

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<v Speaker 2>that almost my entire adolescence and early adult years, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought life was about my weight, appearance, and body composition,

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<v Speaker 2>and I made it till now just like that, fitting

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<v Speaker 2>so perfectly into society and no one noticed that something

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>was going on. What I'd like to emphasize is that

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<v Speaker 2>just because weight loss and obsession with appearance is culturally

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<v Speaker 2>normalized in our society doesn't mean that it is healthy

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<v Speaker 2>or even pleasurable at all. I've been in this mental

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<v Speaker 2>prison for years, losing time, missing experiences people that I

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>will never regain. I really hope that we could move

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<v Speaker 2>towards a more inclusive society in terms of body norms,

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>to not feel like the only way to fit in

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 2>is through a stereotype of beauty that is unachievable, unachievable.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that this individual. Firstly, thank you so much

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>for sharing and it's that was like kind of emotional

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.199
<v Speaker 2>when I first read that. But secondly, I like that

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<v Speaker 2>you finished on that because so many of of the

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<v Speaker 2>examples that fuel our body dysmorphia are the one percent

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<v Speaker 2>to like crazy amazing genetics, are due to something that

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<v Speaker 2>we could never change, and at times or even due

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 2>to somebody who themselves has body dysmorphia and who is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, undergoing some you know, crazy surgeries and crazy

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>efforts to fix the part of themselves that we are

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>sitting back and admiring. So I really think that it

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<v Speaker 2>is such a weird mess around where if everybody's experiencing this,

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the person that we are probably comparing ourselves too, is

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>probably looking at us or looking at somebody else and

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>wanting what they have as well. So, you know, the

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 2>norm is constantly evolving, and yet we're constantly chasing the

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>sense of again that appearance equals happiness. All right, we're

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>going to take a short break, but when we come back,

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to discuss whether body dysmorphia is more prevalent

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>than we think, but also how we can kind of

0:28:55.320 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>move through some of the stress, dissatisfaction, worry, anxiety around

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>our appearance stay with us. There is an important distinction

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>here between BDD and having the occasional negative perception about

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>our body, and it is an important one because I

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>would go so far as to say that nearly every

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>single one of us has something that they want to

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 2>change about how we look, but we aren't really going

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>to drastic measures to do that. You know, maybe that

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't qualify us as having a mental health condition. However,

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I think just because it's not as intense as it

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>is for people with body dysmorphia doesn't make hating your

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>body easy. It is so difficult to wake up in

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 2>a body that you increasingly do not like or find

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 2>problem with, because that is your home, you know, as

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the incredible Emma Thompson says, that is your vessel. There

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>is no escaping that you will exist in this body,

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 2>and no one else says until the day that you die.

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>So hating how you look and how you feel quickly

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>evolves into hating yourself almost instantly, because the two things

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, yourself or your soul and your appearance your body,

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 2>they're very hard to separate. So I wanted to hear

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>from you guys, the listeners around the world around just

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>how many of us are experiencing this kind of daily dislike,

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>how endemic it is, because whilst I think we can

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>all recognize the universality of warry and dissatisfaction towards our appearance,

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we talk about it enough. But I

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>think that having a general and a more like kind

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>of bird's eye view of just how many of us

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>are going through this is quite comforting. So I kind

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>of wanted to just siphon it down to the area

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of weight loss because I feel like or weight change,

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>more like weight loss or weight change, because I think

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>that weight is something that most of us have a

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>general insecurity about compared to more unique things about ourselves

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>that are probably different between each of us. You know,

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of hard to talk about, like, oh, would

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>you want to change that unique scar or would you

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>want to change that do you want to know his job?

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Like when people you know, that's yeah, big insecurity, but

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>not as prominent as weight is for all of us. So,

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's kind of sad to say it, but

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 2>weight dissatisfaction is a bit of a human equalizer. That's

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>why I chose it. It's out of almost two thousand

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of you, seventy percent of you said that in the

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>past year you had thought about losing weight nearly every month.

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And for those of you who said every month, shockingly,

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>it was like forty seven percent of that faction who

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>said that you thought about it every day every day,

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>some nearly fifty percent of you said every day that

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>weight loss is on your mind, clouding your thoughts and

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>your judgment. I want you to like genuinely think about

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>this for a second. Is there any other warrior insecurity

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>that we all share as much as that one. You know,

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>as we are all going about our daily lives, we

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 2>each have our own unique set of problems. We each

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>have you know, work deadlines, we each have relationship issues,

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 2>we each have small anxieties, small to do lists. And

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that seems to you know, bind us

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 2>all together is that in this small reality that is

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>our own reality, all of us are sharing this collective

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>thought that we don't like how we look and that

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 2>we want to lose weight. Like I was thinking about

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 2>this the other day when I was on the train

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>and I was looking around. It was like a pack train,

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, how many people here right now

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>have thought about dieting today? How many people on this

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>train have, you know, put on their Janes in the

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>morning and been like, oh gosh, I really probably should

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>lose a few like And that's just crazy to me

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>because you look at all these people, and you know,

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>if the statistics that I got from you guys are

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>saying it, that's like fifty percent of those people on

0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 2>that train have thought about it that day. Yeah, I

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have been able to tell you that that's what

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 2>they were thinking. And yet I would have thought that

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I would be the only one, because our own lives

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>just feel so unique and so isolated. Beyond that, the

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>other interesting question I asked you, guys was whether you

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>think that weight loss or a change in your size

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>weight game for some people, would make you happier, And

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 2>sixty seven percent of you said yes. Is there any

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>other factor in our life in which two thirds of

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>us would put our hands up and say, if that changed,

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I would be happier. Maybe like winning a million dollars,

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe like finding the love of your life. But both

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>of those things are like additions, right, weight loss is

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 2>this thing, this subtraction that we believe is suddenly going

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to open a whole new world to us, is suddenly

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>going to eliminate so much, I guess insecurity, so much

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>like hate that we have for ourselves. And I think

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that right there is where the core problem in this lies.

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 2>The problem is that we have these delusions that take

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>over that insidiously tell us that if we just looked

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>like her, if we just lost that last killer or

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>fix this small thing, gain some more muscle, our whole

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 2>life would change. And so until then, there's nothing else

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 2>we can do until then, until this miracle occurs, until

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>this thing is fixed, we just kind of have to

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>endure a less than happy reality. This thinking, which I

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>think most commonly we don't even adopt by choice, also

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>causes us to very much intrinsically tie our value to

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>our appearance, and that is what influences our behaviors. If

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 2>your worth, if my worth is only activated when I

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 2>think I look good, when that is not the case,

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 2>why let myself be seen? Why believe I am deserving

0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of happiness? Why feel happy? And we spoke about briefly before,

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>but to return to an example of this that I

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>find particularly compelling is the experience of thinking that we

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>need to look a certain way before dating, that no

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>one could possibly love us at this size or this

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>shape or this composition. And so our appearance is like

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 2>almost this thing that we need to sort out before

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 2>putting ourselves out there, because we kind of realize that

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 2>when we put ourselves out into the romantic world, something

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that we're going to be evaluated on is appearance. And

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>so the problem is is that we begin to firstly

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>overestimate the likelihood that others are going to respond to

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>our appearance in a negative way. Secondly, we underestimate our

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>ability to cope if they did. You know, if somebody

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like what you look like, is that the end

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>of the world. If you have this fixation on your

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 2>appearance in this sense that it's tied to your worth,

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 2>then of course it's going to matter. But thirdly, we

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>really tend to discount any information which kind of suggests

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 2>that things are not going to go as bad as

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 2>we predicted. You know, when we're dating, we overlook all

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 2>the times that people did find us really attractive, We

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 2>overlook all the times that we were complemented, and we

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>just continue to think that if we were to be seen,

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 2>if we were to be perceived, we would not be loved.

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 2>And that just really really broke my heart to just

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 2>like even consider to even say just then, these negative

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and false beliefs really follow us into every corner of

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 2>our lives. And the thing is is that they are

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>entirely incorrect. This idea that your appearance determines your worthiness

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of love, your worthiness of opportunity, of success, of happiness

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>is a false belief. And you know how I know

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>that these beliefs are incorrect is because all of us

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 2>are thinking them, and none of us think that they

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 2>are true. For anybody but ourselves. None of us would

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 2>for a second believe that one of our friends, you know,

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>is unworthy of love or dates or affection because you know,

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>they didn't get a nose job when they were sixteen.

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Not a single person listening to this would tell their

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>friend to not go for a job until they'd lost

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 2>a few kilos. You know, have you ever heard somebody

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>look at their partner and say, yeah, sorry, babe. You know,

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say I love you until you

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 2>fix those freckles or until you like, gain some more muscle. No,

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>because that is ridiculous when we say it out loud,

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>When we say it in the context of somebody else,

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that is ridiculous, And let's be honest, it's also incredibly

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>toxic and harsh and dangerous. We would never say that

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 2>to somebody else, and that's like a major red flag.

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 2>If somebody ever even suggested that, it would be like

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 2>the end of that relationship. And yet we have no

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 2>problem believing those things about ourselves, saying it to ourselves,

0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, demolishing our self esteem and self war the

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>way that we would never do to somebody that we loved.

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>And you know what's even worse is that it doesn't

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>even feel like it's in our control. You know, that

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>internal voice that in a critic, that is so loud

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and that does so much harm is something that we

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 2>never quite feel like is part of us.

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 2>It feels like this external thing that is within us

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that pops up that we didn't even consciously want to

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 2>hate our body or hate our appearance today, and yet

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>here we are doing it. So what's next? If we

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>have accepted that this is something that we are dealing

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>with that is holding us back, that is causing us

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>social anxiety, causing us avoidance, causing us to hold off

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 2>on life, what can we change? What can we actually do?

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Well?

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I drew some stuff from both the research and the psychology,

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the science, but also my own experience is to really

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 2>guide us through. I think this past year for me

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 2>has been a journey of body recognition. And you know,

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I say recognition rather than acceptance or positivity. And I

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 2>say that deliberately because I really wanted it to be

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.760
<v Speaker 2>quite a neutral experience for me. You know, I didn't

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 2>need to learn to love every part of myself straight away.

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 2>That felt like a lot of pressure. I didn't need

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>to celebrate the things immediately that I, you know, disliked

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>for so many years because it felt artificial to you know,

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 2>do that overnight. It also felt like huge hill to climb.

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>So the first step was actually just getting comfortable with

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>recognizing what my body actually looked like, Actually recognizing, you know,

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>my features, not choosing to obscure them or cover them,

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 2>not looking away from mirrors, or buying clothes that I

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>knew were going to be the wrong size. You know,

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I had this awful habit of always buying clothes that

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>were like, genuinely two to three sizes too big for

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 2>me because I didn't want to deal with the idea

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>of like not fitting into something and thinking that I

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>gained weight. Like I told myself to stop doing that.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I actually figured out what my size was, what I

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>actually looked like, and it didn't matter whether that was

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a good thing or a bad thing. It was neutral.

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:12.320
<v Speaker 2>It was an honest process of just again recognition. Like

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 2>the way I always put this to other people was

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 2>that I was observing a painting and the colors, the technique,

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 2>the shadows, the textures, and I wasn't saying anything about

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:23.959
<v Speaker 2>whether I liked that painting or not. I wasn't saying

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 2>anything about how I would have done it differently. I

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>was just observing. The second element I think that comes

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 2>after being committed to seeing your body for what it

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>actually is, neither positively or negatively, is noticing your unhelpful appearance,

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 2>assumptions or judgments and really interrogating where they came from.

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Was it because you experienced, as we talked about, negative

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>events in the past that came back and were tied

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.919
<v Speaker 2>to kind of a trauma around appearance. Was it that

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, where did you learn this from? What was

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 2>the experience where you first remember having a recognition that

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>you didn't like how you looked? And who told you that?

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Who said something? What did you say to yourself? Is

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>there something that you tell yourself that you must or

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>should do in order to avoid judgment about your appearance?

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Why is that? Why do you tell yourself, Oh, you know,

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't wear those kinds of jeans, or like, oh no,

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't go to work without wearing makeup. Oh you know, no,

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I need to get my eyelashes done on my hair

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 2>dyed once a month. Why do you feel the need

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<v Speaker 2>to do that? What negative predictions do you have around

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 2>what would happen if you didn't do those things. And

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to go one step further, it's you know, what is

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the worst thing that could occur from somebody actually noticing

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that floor that I try so hard to hide and

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 2>I try so hard to obscure. What is the worst thing, truly,

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the worst thing that could come from somebody judging me

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>based on my appearance? They could not like you. I know,

0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:59.879
<v Speaker 2>it sounds so obvious to say that is the worst

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.399
<v Speaker 2>up And they could just not like you. They could

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>not give you attention, They couldn't They might not give

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you something that you want from them. But if that

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 2>is a friend, a love interest, a colleague, whoever, if

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 2>that is how they judge or they value you is

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>based on your appearance, if that is how they determine

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 2>what you are deserving of. I have a feeling that

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 2>that relationship wasn't going to last that long anyways, and

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling that it wasn't going to be

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 2>particularly fruitful. So is it actually a loss? Is it

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:33.919
<v Speaker 2>truly a loss that this person couldn't look past the

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 2>most uninteresting thing about you, which is your appearance, to

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the thing that really exists below the surface. This whole

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 2>process is about really taking your irrational beliefs about your

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.800
<v Speaker 2>body to their final conclusion. What is the darkest place

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:51.439
<v Speaker 2>that they could go? Stop there and really assess whether

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>that is a bad you know, as as bad as

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>you tend to believe, because often we just have this

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 2>belief and we avoid really thinking about what is that

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>sustaining it. And when we actually look at the underlying

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>fears that we have and we realize how untrue or

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>how unnecessary they are, we escape from our initial compulsions.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I would also say find a way to feel good

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 2>in your body that doesn't have the primary goal of

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 2>changing it. For example, when you exercise, instead of thinking

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 2>about calories, about muscle growth, about weight loss, broaden your

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>focus to how much better it makes you feel. Mentally,

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.479
<v Speaker 2>when you're choosing clothes, instead of always thinking about what's

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>flattering first, think about what you would wear if you

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 2>were the person you most admired. What would you dress

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the hottest person alive in and why not wear those

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 2>clothes yourself. Someone was telling me how they used to

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>really see doing their makeup as a way to conceal,

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and now they see it as a way to be creative. Right.

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 2>It's that mindset shift of focusing on what makes you

0:43:55.840 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 2>feel confident despite the dysmorphia, and doing more of retraining

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>your brain to remember that your appearance is once again

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>not tied to your value. There is something that matters more,

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 2>and that is how you feel about the world. That's

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>feeling good in yourself. That's feeling healthy. That's your kindness,

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>your creativity, your intelligence, your wellbeing. All of those come above.

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<v Speaker 2>So some final tips and some lightning round advice. Every day,

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<v Speaker 2>try and find one thing to compliment about yourself that

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 2>is not looks based. To kind of steer your brain

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 2>and your mind away from centering appearance at the core

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 2>of everything else and compliment others as well. Create more

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:44.240
<v Speaker 2>positive reactions in yourself by extending those kind of reactions

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to those around you as well. Try and break out

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 2>of the narrative that your body and your appearance has

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to be a constant work in progress. It can be

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 2>the final destination. Where you are right now can be

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the end goal. If your body can do what it

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 2>needs to do, if it can have fun, if it

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>can move, if it can dance, if it can laugh,

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>if it can love, that's it great. It's done everything

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that it needs to do. You don't need to improve

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 2>it beyond that, you don't require any anything more from it.

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.840
<v Speaker 2>You don't have any further demands. Speak to your body

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 2>as if the person you are speaking to is that

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>childhood version of yourself who probably first encountered the belief

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:31.919
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't like something about their appearance. If you were,

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>if you knew what you knew now, and you were

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>speaking to that child version of yourself in this moment,

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 2>what would you be saying And are the things that

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 2>you would be saying to that version of you, that

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>five six seven year old version of you, that sweet,

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 2>innocent person. Would you be saying to them what you

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 2>were saying to yourself? Would you be as harsh? Would

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>you be looking in the mirror seeing that childhood version

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 2>of you reflected back and saying, Wow, you really need

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to do something about X, or you're not going to

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 2>be happy until you change why, or like that's revolting,

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 2>that's disgusting. Of course you wouldn't, So why are you

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>saying that to yourself now? That version of you, that innocent,

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:19.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, unashamed version of you, still exists and still

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 2>deserves to be alive and present in the version of

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you now that is an adult, and every time we

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>are harsh and critical and unkind to ourselves, I do

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 2>honestly believe that we kill a little part of us

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>that is quite pure and quite happy. So that is

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of my final reminder for the day. I really

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<v Speaker 2>hope that this episode has brought you something, whether that

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 2>is information, whether that is peace, whether that is closure, community,

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 2>a sense that other people are going through what you

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 2>are going through. I promise you are not alone. This

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 2>is so much more common, and I don't know if

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 2>that's a good thing, but at least it doesn't feel

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>as solitary, and I just hope that you're taking care

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>of yourself and that you're choosing to be kinder to

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.760
<v Speaker 2>yourself as a result. So again, thank you for listening.

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0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.759
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