1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Blow and Welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: which is, of course, the only podcast that clearly says 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: what it's about in the title, leaves no room at 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: all for confusion about its contents. I'm your host, Margaret Killjoy, 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: and each week I'm gonna bring you another story about rebellion, 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: resistance and all the cool people who did cool stuff. 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: My my guest this week is Prop, who I believe 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: you're a poet and m C and activist and you're 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: also the host of Hood Politics. Nailed it great. How 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: are you doing today? Man? I'm all right, I'm it's 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: pretty hot out here. I'm I'm good, you know, I'm 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm apprehensive because I'm so nervous about any uh, 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: any pod that somebody says is like it's kind of 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: like bastards, you know. I'm like, but reverse, and I'm like, 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just nervous. I'm going I'm coming in blind, 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, Margaret, But I'm I'm here for 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: the ride. All right, all right, And we have Sophie 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: on the call to Sophie, how are you doing. I'm good, 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm I did it to have Prop here for this one. 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: I think I think he'll enjoy it. And I mean 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: that like, I'll actually think you'll enjoy this to when 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: you're on bastards from like, oh there's going to be 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: a good one, which means it's not going to be 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, which means oh, you're gonna enjoy this. 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh yeah, murder, murder, murder, racism, enjoy it. 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: So and so, Margaret, what are we talking about today? Well, 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: there is there is murdering racism there, but but it's 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: not from the point of view of the people who 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: do the murder and the races. Okay, okay, okay, So 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: because this week we're going to talk about this war 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: you might have heard of, called the Civil War, the 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: US Civil War, but specifically yeah, yeah, but specifically I'm 33 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about the civil war within the civil war, okay, which, 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: if you write it out and you put it in between, 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: is the civil civil war war. And I'm going to 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: talk about Well done, Thank you yall pause for that. 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: That was great. I am now impressed. Like again, I was, 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: I was apprehensive. I know what I was getting into. 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: But the civil civil war war, that's brilliant. Yeah, I 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: like that, thank you. And so we're going to talk 41 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: about the basically how there was a Civil war. Within 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: the Civil War, there was a race in a class 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: revolt against the white Confederates and and so in the 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: first half, we're gonna talk about the ways that a 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: lot of different black people in the South for their 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: own freedom, whether under the U. S. Flag or not 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: under the U. S. Flag. And we're gonna talk about 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: how the South wasn't a unified place and support of 49 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: the Confederacy, and how all types of people from the 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: South basically we're like, well, fuck this Confederacy thing and 51 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: fought against it. And in the second half, we're gonna 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: talk about the Lowry Gang who are an indigenous led 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: guerilla insurgency in North Carolina. Let's go, all right, let's go. 54 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: I also, do you know what, I'm glad I'm on this, uh, 55 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, for a number of reasons, but one I 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: think it's like, obviously it's so timely with like you know, 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: adding Ukraine to the list of like conflicts and wars 58 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: across the world right now. But like the idea that 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: like you can't just you know, say, it's not like 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: everybody in Russia is down with this, you know what 61 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it's like it's good to remember that 62 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: when you start, like, you know, making your like sort 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: of American versions of like good guys and bad guys 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: to be like, yo, do you agree with everything in 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: your country? Do so? Why you think? Why you think 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: anywhere else would be the same, you know what I'm saying, 67 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: like or would it be the same, Like everybody ain't 68 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: down with what you know they government do or what 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: they sidhe do. Like so I think that this is 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad that this is coming up because that mugg 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: is like, like, yo, like be realistic about what you're watching. 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And it's that like, oh man, 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: think China really think China loves China, you know what 74 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they gonna do what we where. It's 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna let you talk about is but 76 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But not its food beyond 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: some bullshit you know anyway, No, no, and like and 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: it's even true on the other side too, right, like 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: because the North was not like I mean, you got 80 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: the bad guys in this story the Confederacy or the course, 81 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: like I'm not going sending anything else other than that. 82 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: But the North is like, well some of them are 83 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: good guys and the assholes too, you know, yeah, yeah, 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: just because you lived up there. You know what I'm 85 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: saying that somehow, yo locale means that you think differently, 86 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: like nah man, yeah, yeah. So the So the Civil War, 87 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: it runs from eighteen sixty one eighteen sixty five. It 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: kills six twenty thousand people, which to put that number 89 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: in perspective, that's half again as many Americans died in 90 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: World War two, or two thirds as many as have 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: died from COVID as of the time we're recording this. 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: She's but Civil War starts because eighteen sixty Abraham Lincoln 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: got elected on a new States out West shouldn't be 94 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: Slave States platform arm and a bunch of rich white 95 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: people in the slave States didn't like that, so they succeeded. 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: The North said, now you're not allowed to do that 97 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: in the eighteen sixty one nin a war. And to 98 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: be to be clear, and I don't know what did 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: you get taught growing up that the Civil War was 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: about slavery? Well, yes, I mean I'm remember I'm a Californian. 101 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: So the black panther from the inner City. So I 102 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: absolutely was taught this was about slaves. That's that is 103 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: better than the education I received, dude, I tell you man. 104 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Like when I heard people like it was like, it's 105 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: the other way around, where like you know, obviously from 106 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: your section, like for somebody to you to become a 107 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: full grown adult and somebody would be like, no, it's 108 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: about slavery, and how y'all probably like in y'all's area, 109 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: was like, what, No, it's about states rights. Like I 110 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: felt the other way around when somebody actually said what 111 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: was about sayings like what what are you talking about? 112 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: Like I who told you that states writes to do what? 113 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: This is a big question that Like that's what I 114 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: was thinking. I was like, you hear yourself rights to own? 115 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: So they don't you serious? You know? Yeah? And so 116 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: I will argue that the entire South, white and black 117 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: news about slavery. Then the North wasn't sure about what 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: it was about. For a lot of the North, a 119 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 1: lot of the white North and obviously all the black North, 120 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: A lot of the white North news about slavery, but 121 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: some of the white North was was fighting for like 122 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to break away? Fuck you, and some 123 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: of them were even arguing. I've read some scholars arguing 124 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: that some of them were fighting to free the poor 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: whites in the South. But the Confederates knew what the 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: funk they were fighting for. They were fighting for slavery. 127 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: There's there's no question they didn't know. Yea. So the 128 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: start of this war, the Confederates, they're outnumbered, just proof 129 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: that just because you're the underdog doesn't make you a 130 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: better person. They have little industrial production, so they can't 131 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: make their own weapons really, but they have this advantage 132 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: that they're fighting on their home territory, and then since 133 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: their population is more rural, more of the soldiers come in, 134 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: better horse riders and better shots. So they have some advantages. 135 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: But they have one big disadvantage because their entire economy. 136 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: You probably know this, and probably the audience knows this. 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: The entire economy of the South relied on slavery and 138 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: repressing people. It turns out takes constant attention. Yes, and 139 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: all their best fighters suddenly went off to war. Yes. 140 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: So this is going to bring us to a woman 141 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: named Rose from South Carolina. And so at the beginning 142 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: of the war, the Union didn't let black folks in 143 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: his soldiers. Right. Um, but it turns out you don't 144 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: actually need anyone's permission to kill slavers or steal all 145 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: their ship, or grind their combatle halt, or help everyone 146 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: run the funk away. You could just do it. It's 147 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: cool and good, it is always morally correct. Yeah, and 148 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: so people realized that it was actually this this woman Rose. 149 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: She's one of my favorite stories in all of us, 150 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: but she's actually one of the hardest to get any 151 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: information about. This Historian Favolia Glimph is the only historian 152 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: I found who's collected information about this woman because the 153 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: only primary sources we have are all of the terrified 154 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: white women writing in their diaries. How fucking scared they 155 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: are of this woman named Rose. That story name is like, 156 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: it's so classic, it is so Yeah, it's perfect name, 157 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: Fivolia Glimph, you said, yeah, perfect name. Yeah. Well, I 158 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: was never gonna want to put a pin in her 159 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: name too, so I'm glad you did self, because that's 160 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: that's quite a name. Also, terrified why women journals is 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: like the thing that just doesn't die. It really doesn't. God. 162 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: They seriously like all their journals are like I can't 163 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: sleep at night. I'm up at four am writing this 164 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: note because I'm so terrified of the Negroes and the Yankees, 165 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: and specifically I'm afraid of this you know Rose that 166 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: was leading an insurrection in their town. Uh so so Pineville, 167 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: South Carolina, is this like small resort town. It's basically 168 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: sixty summer homes for like the rich fox slavers when 169 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: they're like taking breaks from their plantations. But with the 170 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: Civil War, a lot of the families moved their full 171 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: time and basically saw this place of refuge against to 172 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: hide from the war. And they tried to bring like 173 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: all the people they claim to own, but most of 174 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: them were like, no, we're not gonna come with you. 175 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: Fuck you. You have no means with which to compel 176 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: us to come with you, So funk off the oversea 177 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: going at war. Yeah you you ninety two years old 178 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: and your wife Keith catching the vapers every time it 179 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: gets too hot. No, we're not going. I love it. 180 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: And some people did go, and then they kind of 181 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: just didn't work. Uh More and more everyone who went 182 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: there just refused to work. And then this was happening 183 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: all over the South. I want to use this. This 184 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: is one of my examples because it ties into this 185 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: other thing. The a socialist author W. E. B. Two Boys, 186 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: is the first person I've heard of really talk about 187 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: this in his book Black Reconstruction. Basically, he claims that 188 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the thing that won the Civil War was the most 189 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: powerful general strike the US has ever seen, which was 190 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: the Confederate economy was just completely gutted. As black workers, 191 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: as he refers to them as black workers withhold their 192 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: labor from the Confederates and then offer it for a 193 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: wage to the union. And half a million black workers 194 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: ended up working for a wage at union camps. And then, 195 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: I mean, under really shitty conditions that we're gonna get 196 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: into this. But yeah, I think that I think that, 197 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm glad you kind of like like landing 198 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: there because I think like the uh, you know, when 199 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: you think about the ark of somebody like in Abraham 200 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Lincoln and the ark of like the country finally falling 201 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: into secession and then accepting the fact that like, okay, 202 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: this is about slaves, like like finally letting themselves it 203 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: out loud, like what we are. You know what I'm saying. 204 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: When you you you take a slaver. That was like, 205 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's just way too much money 206 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: on the table. Like I'm being as obviously, I'm like, 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: this is me being a slave descendant, just understanding like 208 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: what's happening in this moment in time when you're like looking, man, 209 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: that that cotton crop like it, I mean you're talking 210 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: about the the the entire like makes more than every 211 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: other commodity in the country combined, like when you add 212 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: it all together just from that because you ain't paying 213 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: the workers. You know what I'm saying, this is this 214 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: is pure profit. You know what I'm saying. You know, 215 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: notwithstanding the investment to get the get and feed as 216 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: small as you can, you know, the slaver, the slave 217 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: that you had, and you could take somebody who might 218 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: have been in the beginning like on some like a yeah, 219 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I know, I just kind of like close my eyes 220 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: and do it. I mean that kind of sucks, but 221 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just one guy. I mean, you know, 222 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: you're in the ocean. You might as well swim. I mean, 223 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: it's explit like Salona morning, you know what I'm saying. 224 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: And then at first check come and you're like, nah, 225 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: fam na as muck. Look you can't get it. Look, 226 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm look, I'm sorry, sorry, not sorry, you know what 227 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, and how that evolution of just being 228 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: like and then then the whole like, well, it's it's 229 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: too big to fail, Like I mean, it's you know, 230 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: if we shut this down, you shut down the whole country. 231 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Like there's no, it's the biggest what do you want 232 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: us to do? Do you just the biggest money maker? 233 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Um, And that evolution of 234 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: like assuming that at some point, like you said, my 235 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: ancestors would be like, uh nah, yeah, I mean, what 236 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: worse can you do to us? Yeah? You know yeah? No, 237 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,239 Speaker 1: And and two boys makes the argument I have no counterargument. 238 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: I believe this who heartily. This is what fucking wins 239 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: the war in the end, more than anything else. Yeah, 240 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: black workers refusing to to work, also black soldiers fighting, 241 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: but black soldiers, yeah, in and in it and being 242 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: still paid less, less food, still being treated like you know, 243 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: you're not really human. But h but Carrie in the work, 244 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But yeah, like absolutely who 245 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: was being like, well, get you in your pocket? Yeah, 246 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: And in the end, as so people would flee, especially 247 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: once as the Union would come through the South, they'd 248 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: be like, yep, and they crossed the lines. In the end, uh, 249 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: apparently twelve percent of the South labor pool, I guess 250 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: you could call it. They just funk off and they 251 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: cross the Union lines. But then further historians have have 252 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: argued that it's not just the people who left, who 253 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: did this work, who did this general strike. So in Pineville, 254 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: South Carolina, it's happening everywhere. It's happening everywhere, but with 255 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: folks on Pineville, South Carolina, and the in eighteen sixty five, 256 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: in the very last months of the war, this woman 257 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: named Rose is an enslaved house servant. She has at 258 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: least two grown up kids. It's very little known about it, right, 259 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: but she frees herself and then she doesn't funk off 260 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: across the Union lines. She sticks around to help fight 261 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: and organize. And she was probably the leader of the 262 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: insurrection along with her son Pringle. And we know that 263 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: what Pringle. Yeah, man's name is. Yeah, I looked it 264 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: up at way pre dates Pringles. Yeah, I was gonna 265 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: again another name that I was like, I'm gonna let 266 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: this pass because he let a slave revolt. So I'm 267 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: not gonna drag you. I'm not gonna drag right like 268 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: I think it's yea yeah, it's like, you know, two 269 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: hundred years later, the association with the chips. You know 270 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he could say my name is 271 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: Pringle because I get all the chips. You know what 272 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I made him a rapper. You did, 273 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: you did? I appreciate it. So so this insurrection they lead, 274 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: it leads hundreds of people to safety during the time 275 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: before the Union army even approaches. And then by the 276 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: time at one point the Union army like sweeps through 277 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: really quickly. They don't actually conquer the area, but they 278 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: get a thousand people across the line when that happens. 279 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: And then it's hard to tell how much it was 280 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: a quiet insurruction versus a loud one. A lot of 281 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: it was that people just refused works, slowed down. A 282 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: lot of them gave themselves quotas like I'm gonna do 283 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: half a task per day, so they were like working 284 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: just fast enough. And then yeah, and there's no one 285 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: around to compel their labor, right because all the all 286 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: the white dudes are off fighting the war, and at 287 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: the at its peak, this insurrection has the run of 288 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: the town. The scared white folks hide in their houses 289 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: and writing their journals while black folks are drilling in 290 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: the streets and military formation, and they stole whatever they 291 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: needed from the people who've been stealing from them their 292 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: whole fucking lives. And it's just kept spreading miles and 293 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: miles in every direction. People kept coming here, and eventually 294 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Confederate armies like, all right, we have to do something 295 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: about this, and so they send these these scouts who 296 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: are the guerrilla troops for the Confederate Army. The Union 297 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Army has scouts too, but the official gorillas, and they 298 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: go around do the dirty work. And so they round 299 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: up and kill a bunch of the leaders this insurrection. 300 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: They don't get pringle or rows yet, and they force 301 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: everyone back to work, and this kind of turns into 302 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: this attracted, slow guerrilla war between the scouts and the insurrection, 303 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: and eventually it keeps going on long enough that the 304 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Confederate Army is to send an entire company of cavalry, 305 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: which is like a hundred cavalrymen could have been off 306 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: fighting the war, and instead of to keep going to 307 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: fight this civil war happening within the South. They have 308 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: a big battle. It goes really badly for Rose and 309 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: Pringle and the rest of them. Thirty of them die 310 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: and they they only managed to injure some of the cavalrymen, 311 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: and Pringle and Rose get get found and executed. But 312 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: but even though they lose this specific battle, this is 313 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: after they've freed you know, the record I see is 314 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: like implying at least people, right, and yeah, like yeah, 315 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: that seems like an alright, you know, like the math 316 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm positive that like I know, like, um, 317 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: those executions were berutal. Yeah, like they were like trying 318 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: to you know, they try to make a statement when 319 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: they capture somebody that like lit you know, um, other 320 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: people to freedom. So I already know, like, even without 321 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: knowing her particular story, already know the way they killed 322 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: them them too was public and disgusting. Yeah, yeah, it was, 323 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: And which I mean leads to the argument that dying 324 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: in the streets fighting, you know, seems nice. It's still 325 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: pretty rad like it just yeah, and then so the 326 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: and the Union Army of course it doesn't have their 327 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: backs at all. Uh, there's Lincoln's like Rules of War 328 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: that he wrote specifically called this type of thing. It's 329 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: qualified the same as piracy or banditry. But they still 330 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: do all this awesome ship. Yeah, so let's go. And 331 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: speaking of Pringle and potato chips, I'm trying to get 332 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: sponsored by really wholesome products on this show. And so 333 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: our official sponsor, I believe, our only official sponsor all 334 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: the other adds you here on official and they're not allowed, 335 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: is potatoes. The concept of potatoes. I'll take that because, 336 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: like you know, I just I just listened to three 337 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: hours on a potato famine. So how good potatoes are? 338 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: You know? And I am a French fry connoisseur. All right, 339 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: so I'm here for that. Well you're on the right show, then, yes, yes, 340 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: all right, here's some ads and we're back after those 341 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: ads that were not about some I hope most of 342 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: them are about potatoes. I hope they're potatoes. Let me 343 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: tell you something, man, I'm gonna invoke something right now 344 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: that's probably not fair. The thing is, like, okay, I 345 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: am fully aware of the totality of the problematic nous 346 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: of somewhere like a Chick fil a m. However, crossed 347 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: my feet. At some point was this person with two 348 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: buckets a French of like the cris cut fries, and 349 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: I was like, that's an immediate retweet. I'm like, this 350 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: is all I saw. I just saw fries and my 351 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: eyes glazed over where I was just like, oh my god, buckets, 352 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: let's go. And then I was like, damn, man, I know, 353 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: I know it's I know, I know, I know. It's okay, 354 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: guys like, hear me out though, I know it's chick filate, 355 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: but it's not the potatoes fault, you know, but it 356 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: ain't the potato fault. Yeah, you understand I'm saying. I'm like, 357 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: they pay whale, the place pay whale, Okay, Okay, anyway, yeah, 358 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: all right. So the next next chunk of the story 359 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: is about a man named Abraham Galloway okay, and he 360 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: and the Coastal the Coastal Black Militia in North Carolina, 361 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: and we've got way more information about him, in part 362 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: because he survives the war, which is a nice anti 363 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, you know, like he's noted during the story 364 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: at least not were done with the story. As the 365 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: downside is, right with bastards, you have this part where 366 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: you're like, all this bad stuff is happening, but then 367 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: they die in the end and you're happy that they Yeah, 368 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: and then with cool people hit cool stuff, they die 369 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: in the end. Um, it's not as good. That's history. 370 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: So Abraham Galloway he was born enslaved in a tiny 371 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: fishing town near Wilmington, North Carolina, and he was he 372 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: was owned by his own second cousin. Yeah, he moved 373 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: to wilmington' he becomes a brickmaker and basically his fucking 374 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: cousin tells him that he has to go work and 375 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: give him the money. And but Wilmington is a hotbed 376 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: of abolitionism, which is which I'm not talking about. Like 377 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: like when I got told about abolitionism when I was 378 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: in public school or whatever, I got told it was 379 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: like well meaning white people who like wrote the government 380 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: about how morality demanded the end of slavery or whatever. Yeah, 381 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: Wilmington was a hotbed of abolition And by that I 382 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: mean it was full of black people free and enslaved, 383 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: who are teaching black people how to read and write, 384 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: who are smuggling fugitives north, who are passing around tracks 385 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: that called for the moral necessity of violence to end slavery, 386 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: including this this tract by black abolitionist David Walker to 387 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: the Colored citizens of the World, which and this is 388 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: a reoccurring theme, and all the abolition is propaganda I've 389 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: ever seen, specifically includes the need for the rights of 390 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: women also and so, and this is the pamphlet that 391 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: basically Nat Turner's thirty one Rebellion gets blamed on. And 392 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: so David Walker might have written it in Boston, but 393 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: he was born in Wilmington's which is where our heroes 394 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: is currently. He's twenty years old, it's eighteen fifty seven. 395 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: He decides to get the funk out he was. He 396 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: was nervous that he was going to get sold further south. 397 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: So his friend Richard Eden, decides to come with. Richard 398 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: was a barber who had just gotten busted for daring 399 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: to marry a free mixed race woman who so he 400 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: was facing the lash and he's like, yeah, funk this, 401 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting out. And it was hard to get out. 402 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: Anyone who was caught helping them would have been killed 403 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: or sold. One anti slavery ring that had just been 404 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: busted right before this or around that time, the the 405 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: Black Pilot got sold further south, which was like one 406 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: of the main threats that people would face. And the 407 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: white Quaker who was involved in the whole thing also 408 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: as a pilot, got murdered. Yea, so, but they eventually 409 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: they do find a pilot who will sneak them onto 410 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: the boat and off they go. They make it to Philly. 411 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: They join up with the Vigilance Society there, which is 412 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: a crew of abolitionist who fed and housed and generally 413 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: helped fugitives. The fugitive, say, Slave Law of eighteen fifty 414 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: means that even the Free States weren't free for fugitives, right, 415 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: Bounty hunters could just show up and yeah, yeah, And 416 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: so they keep going right because the North isn't even safe. 417 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: They make it up to Canada with train tickets that 418 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: the Society buys them, and they once they're up there, 419 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: the abolitionists give them room and board and find them work. 420 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Galloway gets a job, Lane brick Eating gets to open 421 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: a barber shop. I just like including Eat and he 422 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: kind of disappears from the story here, but I'm glad 423 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: he gets to go fucking be a free barber. You know, yes, yes, 424 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: But Abraham Galloway, he didn't want to lay bricks, not really, 425 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: he wanted to destroy slavery. So he goes back across Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 426 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he got the chance. Yeah, he goes 427 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: back across the border, and he starts giving speeches and 428 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: then getting in fights with all the people trying to 429 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: kill him. Um, and then I knew. I knew his 430 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: name before. I was like, I know Abraham Galloway, and 431 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: now now you're at the part that I know him. Yeah, okay, anyway, 432 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: go on. Yeah. Yeah. So in in Boston, he hangs 433 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: out with the Vigilant Society, and then he hangs out 434 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: with this this league I've never heard of before. He 435 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: did this research. I've ever heard of, the Anti Man 436 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: Hunting League. Yes, these people fucking rule. So dope, yeah, 437 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: tell him about him. I'm leaning back. Let you tell 438 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, No, these fools are hard. So it's 439 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: a crew of people who are basically like, all right, well, 440 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: kidnappers keep coming here and kidnapping people, right, so we 441 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: should just track down the kidnappers and then kidnap them. Basically, 442 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: they show up and basically they're dealers. They'll find they'll 443 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: find a bounty hunter, and they'll be like, hey, you 444 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: would be so much happier and healthier if you just 445 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: left Boston right now. So that's what they did. It 446 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: was so dope. It was so fools were just like, hey, listen, 447 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: don't come to Boston. Tell you right now, don't come 448 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: to Boston. We body snatchers, all right, don't come. Oh 449 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna come, okay, cool? Yeah, we told you it 450 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: would happen. I told you not to come. Fan. Yeah. 451 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: And so, so the reason that this league starts as 452 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: another interesting story. Four, you have a guy named Anthony 453 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: Burns who also decided to funk off from slavery, and 454 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: he gets smuggled up to Boston and because of the 455 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: fugitive slave law, marshals come after him and he gets 456 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: arrested and a crew of black and white abolitionists stormed 457 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: the courthouse. They break down the door with a battering 458 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: ram and then shoot a federal marshal dead. Let's go, 459 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: and then they get They eventually get repelled apparently I 460 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: think they have to call him the army or some ship. Yeah, 461 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: and so, so Burns gets returned to slavery, but for 462 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: a moment and as he's being like marched out of 463 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: town fifty thou people in Boston come out to like 464 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: really aggressively protest his capture. Yeah, and I I don't 465 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: have in front of me the population of Boston at 466 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: the time, but the population of the United States was 467 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: not particularly large back then anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It's also 468 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: I love this because it's like, you know, a lot 469 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: of times when you flatten history, you just think, like, 470 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: you know, these two armies and you have citizens just 471 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of like sitting around waiting to see what happens, 472 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, especially like this the American slave narrative. That 473 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess we were just on the 474 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: fields hoping everything worked out, you know what I'm saying. 475 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: Totally Nah, I'm like, yeah's fighting. Yeah yeah, so I 476 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: gave us a green light. It was like all right, 477 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: it's so we're gonna do our best, you know. No, 478 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: that's fucking exactly it. And like, um, okay, so this 479 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: change is Boston overnight. And then that's how they pass 480 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: all these laws making it harder to to come and 481 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: capture people. But just in case people try it anyway, 482 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: you have the Anti Man Hunting League that starts up 483 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: with this and then burns himself. The abolitionists raise up 484 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: enough money to to buy him his freedom. He goes 485 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: to college, he becomes a minister, and then, because it 486 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: was the nineteenth century, he dies of tuberculosis. Like fucking 487 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: everyone else when he dies of tuberculosis. Life before penicillin. Dog, 488 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: These dudes be living triple lives in one life. And 489 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: then and then you die at after all that. Yeah, 490 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm thirty gonna haven't touched a quarter of what this person. 491 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying. I'm like that you 492 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: did all that? Okay? Yeah, so so so Galloway, he's 493 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: passing through Boston on his way to Haiti because the abolitionists, 494 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: right after the after John Brown gets executed, they're not 495 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: just like waiting around for the US to get its 496 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: act together to abolish slavery. They had to Haiti and 497 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: they organized. They're organizing a raid from Haiti on the 498 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: American South, hoping to directly incite a civil war to 499 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: end slavery. So so Galloway takes passage alongside some mother abolitionists, 500 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: including this the Scottish immigrant named James Redpath, who helps 501 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: secure Haiti's diplomatic connections to the US. This guy Francis Miriam, 502 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: who was one of the only people to escape from 503 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: John Brown's Harper's Ferry raid, who later fled to Canada 504 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: with the help of Parau. Because everyone was actually doing 505 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: all kinds of weird ship at the time. The abolitionist 506 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: they show up in Haiti, they're received by by Haiti's 507 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: president because all of Haiti fucking declares three days a 508 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: morning when John Brown is killed. And it it's not 509 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: just because they I mean, they fucking hate slavery, right, 510 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: this is the history of Haiti. But it's not just 511 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: that because they're also looking out for their own country. 512 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: Because in the eighteen fifties, the US drew up plans 513 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: to canker Haiti and turn it into a slave state, 514 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: and then some adventurer Asshoile tried to conquer Cuba to 515 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: turn it into a slave state. Around that time, another 516 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: one fucking actually conquered Nicaragua for a moment until the 517 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: people down there murdered him and didn't let him turn 518 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: it into a slave state. Perfect. Yeah, And I was 519 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: the ones gonna say, man, I don't know, like what 520 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: made him think. I don't know why you would want 521 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: it with Haiti. If you didn't read. If you know 522 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: anything about their history, it's like, nah, f am, don't 523 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: don't come try to it down here. Yeah, you know, 524 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: we don't. Won't play down here, don't don't. Don't bring 525 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: it down your fan. Yeah. Um. And so so Galloway 526 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: stays in Haiti for a while planning this raid, but 527 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: then the South seceeds and so he hurries the funk 528 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: back to States to fight, because that was the whole point, 529 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: was to try and get a civil war. And you know, 530 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: but it didn't take invading the South. All you had 531 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: to do to start a civil war apparently was to 532 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: get a moderate Republican named Lincoln in offense. He was 533 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: a moderate and like yo, like uh, the Apple TV 534 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: just did like for Black History, did a dope little 535 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: three part series on him. Um yeah, it's called The 536 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: Lincoln Dilemma, which was really more about Frederick Douglas and 537 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: how like really that Frederick Douglas kind of radicalized him. 538 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: That was like that, like the and just sort of 539 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: the evolution of um this, like you said, rather Khaki, 540 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, moderate Republican turning into this like oh yeah no, 541 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: we gotta we can't. This can't last. You know what 542 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and it was really Frederick Douglas, so that's 543 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, and what took them to finally leave 544 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: was the just slightly a little less tiny less racist 545 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, which has no i mean, living in 546 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: the US now, it's impossible to imagine the right wing 547 00:29:53,320 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: getting a moderate yeah yeah, right by like just the 548 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: the just vitamin D milk version, just the most plain 549 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: saltine cracker, no seasoned fried chicken, undercooked, like just just 550 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: potato salad with raisin. I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, the 551 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: most basic, yeah, moderates and they can't handle it, So 552 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: they have a whole they can't handle it. Yeah, yes, 553 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: which good, It got them fucking crushed. I'm glad. But yeah. 554 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: So so Galloway he shows back up in the US 555 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, he gets himself recruited into 556 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: the spy service for the U. S. Army and he's 557 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: not really a union guy, but it's like the best 558 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: thing going. Yeah, and he's reporting directly to General Benjamin Butler, 559 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: who kind of starts the war and asshole, he's like not, 560 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: he's even more let's say moderate than Lincoln. He wasn't 561 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: even particularly anti slavery. At the start of the war. 562 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: But he's actually he's the first Union general who starts 563 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: hiring black refugees. And it's the biographer I read, David Saselski, 564 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: suggests that it's possible he got this idea from Galloway. 565 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: And if so, Galloway just changed the fucking face of history, 566 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: and that one moment, because all that general strike should 567 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking about starts with that. And so then Galloway 568 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: goes on into spy ship for two and a half years, 569 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: and he's incredibly valuable, as are all of the black 570 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: spies in the U. S. Service because they know the terrain. Uh. 571 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: And also because white people just ignore black people and 572 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: pretend because people are fucking racist, and so surely they 573 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: can't figure out how to do things. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Um. 574 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: And so he actually goes and he scouts the landing 575 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: for the Union Army and the shores of North Carolina, 576 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: which again changes the fucking face of history, because the 577 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: landing in North Carolina is how it's part of how 578 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: the US runs its blockade on Southern itpping and helps 579 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: crush their economy. That's all fucking Galloway. And then I 580 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: mean it's also a ton of other people, right, I'm 581 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: not trying to be like it's just all away. Like, 582 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, he found black pilots to help navigate the 583 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: ships to shore and ship like that, so the black 584 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: pilots who are not named in this also get all 585 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: the fucking credit. And then he gets set down in Mississippi, 586 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: and then he sees the Union treat black refugees like shit, 587 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: and they start turning away black refugees. They start working 588 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: other ones to death building a canal so that they 589 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: can siege a fortress that was a bad idea in 590 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: the first fucking place, of course, and the Union fails 591 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: at seizing the fortress, and then they just funk off 592 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: and they ditch all of the people, all the black 593 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: people who are there helping them, including Galloway. They just 594 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: fucking ditch him, and he gets captured by the Confederacy. 595 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: His story goes dark for a minute, and we don't 596 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: know he actually um he he was never literate, and 597 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: so we don't have as much of his own words 598 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: written down, but we know that he he escapes, and 599 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: he makes his way over land over the course of months, 600 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: through the entire fucking Confederacy back to North Carolina, to 601 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: the city of New bern where the Union is now 602 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: in control thanks to his own scouting to town besieged. 603 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: The rebel lines are only miles away, but has access 604 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: to shipping, so it's not really fully besieged. More than 605 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: ten thousand black people seeking their freedom now live there. 606 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: And these are like the hardest and most militant refugees 607 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: the war fucking sees, because these are the first people 608 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: who are like, I'm getting the funk out. They didn't 609 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: get out with those I'm not trying, you know, like, 610 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: but they got out when the going was hard, you know, yeah, yeah, 611 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And all these people, not all these people. 612 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: A lot of these people start working to scouts and 613 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: spies formally or informally, and they head back into Confederate 614 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: territory and a regular basis. Some of them do it 615 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: for the Union, some of them just do it for 616 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: their own fucking families and their friends and sucking everyone, 617 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah. Mc galloway doesn't rejoin the Union. 618 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: He's like, funk the Union, what the fund trust? Yea 619 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: yeah um, And so instead he just becomes an organizer. 620 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: He's twenty six, he's sarcastic, he's charming, He open carries 621 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: a pistol for the rest of his life. And so 622 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty three, the Unions like, but we need Galloway, 623 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: We need Galloway to get us an army. Because at 624 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: this point they finally decided the regiment Massachusetts is the 625 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: was the first all black regiment of the war. And 626 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: this is the one that that movie Glory is about. Yeah, 627 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: and it I'm really actually the main there's lots of 628 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: things to be mad about that movie. One of the 629 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: main things I'm mad about. Two of Frederick Douglas's sons 630 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 1: were in the fut I didn't know that they should 631 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: have been the main characters of that movie. But I 632 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: just blew my mind. I didn't know that. Yeah, Frederick 633 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: Douglas wasn't afraid to fucking I mean, well, his kids 634 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: weren't afraid to put some skin in the he was 635 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: weren't afraid to shoot. Yeah. Yeah, and soft is all black, 636 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: except they're not. Except no commissioned officers are black. Um, 637 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: and and it it works, right, is a positive test 638 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: or whatever. And so they're like, oh, and also, we're 639 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: losing this war and we fucking need more people. Yes, 640 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: And so they they send down this guy is this 641 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: white recruiter named Edward Kinsley. They send him down in 642 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: eighteen in eighteen sixty three down to new Burn to 643 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: find Galloway who's like hidden there, and try and convincing 644 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: to come over. And Galloway won't meet with this guy 645 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: until his he and his friends watch him for a 646 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: week to see how he treats black people, and he 647 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: basically wins Galloway over just by like the bare fucking 648 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: minimum of not being a dick. Like listen, listen, I 649 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: hope that's a lesson to all white people everywhere. That's 650 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: just like, listen, dog, like it ain't that hard. Just 651 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch you, like I was gonna say, like 652 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: even him just being like I ain't gonna meet with you, 653 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: but I'm a hat at home. He's watching you, you know, 654 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: so which is what we do, right, we all do it. 655 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: It's like, well, let meet you know, let me do 656 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: our little googles, you know, run your name up the 657 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: flag pole. Fine, that was going on, and then once 658 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: we see what's up, it's like it's just it's like 659 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: the bar so low, like just hey, man, like just 660 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: just don't just don't be awful. Yeah, it's pretty. It's 661 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: not hard. It's not hard to not be awful. Yeah. 662 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: All he did is he he tipped his hat some 663 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: black workers and got yelled at by the by the 664 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: union soldiers and yeah, and if you do that, you 665 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: tip your hat to to to to the black people 666 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: and the white dudes, y'all let you like, hey, what 667 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: are you doing? You just look at me like, man, 668 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: fuck you, doc, Yeah exactly, the man just man, shut 669 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: the funk up, and you just keep going because where 670 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: you like you, then I'm gonna be like I like 671 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: that guy, right, Like it's that easy. Yeah. The bar 672 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: is on the floor, so he wants to step over 673 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: the bar, Yes, like you have to dig a hole 674 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: into the ground to go under the totally yes, yeah, 675 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: which plenty of people at this point, plenty of white 676 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: people are willing to yes, but so so that they 677 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: end up meeting with Galloway and this like perfect like 678 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: Cloak and Daggers thing, you know, where he meets with 679 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: the innkeeper and she takes him upstairs and then the 680 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: room is just entirely full of people and Galloways there 681 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: and they tell him point blank why we don't trust 682 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: the union. They're not paying black soldiers the same wage 683 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: as white soldiers. Black people are not being granted citizenship 684 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: by the Emancipation Proclamation. Black people have already been fighting 685 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: alongside of and dying alongside of Union troops with absolutely 686 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: no recognition. And sometimes these were in like scouting missions, 687 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes they were like literally like you know, a 688 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,959 Speaker 1: place is being attacked and you know the black people 689 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: they're also fucking fight and no recognition from the Union army. 690 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: And then also a bunch of specifically racist ship is 691 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: happening in New Burn. So they're like, all the ship's happening. 692 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: And they didn't say like, no, we're not going to 693 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: fight for the Union. They're saying, we're not going to 694 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: do it unless you meet our demands. Yeah, And so 695 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: they say, we want to be outfitted the same and 696 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: paid the same, we want housing for our families, we 697 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: want education for our kids, and we want the Union 698 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: to compel the Confederacy to treat captured black soldiers as 699 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: prisoners of war instead of selling or executing them. And 700 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 1: and this person a little like so Kinsley says yes, right, 701 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: So that of course he does, yeah, exactly. So then 702 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: they hold guns to his head and make him say 703 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: it again. Um, let me tell you how much I 704 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: love my people. Let me tell you how But because 705 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: that is the answer. But that man say yes, like 706 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I need to make sure say it again. 707 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah no, wait, wait no, no, I don't say it again. 708 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: Now you now, you promise it on your mama, this 709 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: on your mama, on your hood, on your children. You're 710 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: gonna do this, yeah, Joe say, I mean I love 711 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: my people. Yeah. No, And and so he says yes again. 712 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: And and the thing I read is like Kinsley knows 713 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: he can't actually do these things. Galloway can't do these things. 714 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: What they're saying is you're gonna fucking try, and yes, yes, 715 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: and he does try. He doesn't. Some of the things 716 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: getting met eventually, some of them whatever. But but Kinsley 717 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: and Galloway they end up a friends and stay in 718 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: touch the rest of their lives. And over five thousand 719 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: black men volunteer for the Union Army in New Burn alone, 720 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: they formed what was generally known as the African Brigade. 721 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: In the end, a hundred and eighty six thousand black 722 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: men fought for the Union. The vast majority of them 723 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: were formally enslaved people, and they were as you as 724 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: you point out, they're paid less than white soldiers until 725 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty four. Uh, and part of that gets applied retroactively, 726 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: and there's a million fucking loopholes for the equal pay 727 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: that they eventually they're still prevented from being commissioned officers 728 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: and combat roles. You get some some commissioned officers and 729 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: like medical roles, and then the Confederacy just keeps executing 730 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: captured black people and the any white officer fighting alongside 731 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: of them, and the Union could have done something about 732 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: it and fucking didn't. Except actually, and I didn't write 733 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: this in the script, so I'll get all the details wrong. 734 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: Except actually, the white guy who was the commissioned officer 735 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: for this African brigade, he was known as like the 736 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: hanging like I don't know, the hangman or whatever the 737 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: fun because whenever black soldiers were captured and killed, he 738 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: would kill Confederate prisoners. I love it because he was like, no, 739 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: I don't yeah, no, right, yeah, it's like you should 740 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: kill prisoners of war. But like was, yeah, but you 741 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: take one, we take five, you know, it's it's what 742 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, yeah, And then uh, but Union Army 743 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: is still proving to be racist as fun. And one guy, 744 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: William Walker, he goes on strike until he gets an 745 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: equal wage. He was court mount court marshaled and shot. 746 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: Another guy, William Johnson, he was caught deserting. He was 747 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: executed in this like highly publicized case that where they 748 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: brought out a photographer to make a big spectacle of 749 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: killing this black man. Two of the two of the 750 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: soldiers was to shoot him where these German immigrants, and 751 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: they refused to shoot, so they were arrested. And but 752 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: even with all that going on, so Galloway is like 753 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: two jobs now. One is that he is recruiting black 754 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: men to fight, and he's also fighting against all the 755 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: racism within the military. He even gets his old general 756 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: Butler the Moderate to to press his higher ups for 757 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: equal equal pay. But he's no longer a union spy, 758 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: but his networks ran deep. And I should probably talk 759 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: about potatoes right now. It feels like a good time 760 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: to talk about potatoes and French fries, which I really love. 761 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about my air fryer, which makes really 762 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: good French fries. They really do. Man, you could even 763 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: go with like frozen like a bag of frozen ones 764 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: for that airfec device to reheat French fries. Yeah, because 765 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: you can't reheat fries. It's really hard to do that. 766 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: But if you could do, we could do it in 767 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: an air fry with a little little bit of olive 768 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: boyd on them little little lowrys. You're good. Yeah, And 769 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: so that's we're sponsored by the idea of French fries 770 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: and these other ads and we're back. Yeah we are. 771 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: I uh I sometimes like try to put myself in 772 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 1: the shoes of like a just moderately reasonable white dude 773 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: at this time who like like like you're saying, it's 774 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: like trying to tell his higher ups like, yo, we 775 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: should pay to do it is the same as everybody else, 776 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: and just being like and just kind of looking at 777 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: him like but they day holding the same they the bullet, 778 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: don't care like they die and just like we die, 779 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: Like I don't understand why you think they what this 780 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: don't make no sense to me, Like they liping just 781 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: as much dangerous are It's not more dangerous because they 782 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: running a higher matter of fact, we should be paying 783 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: them more because they running a higher risk than we are, Like, 784 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: don't do don't make sense to you and they got 785 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: more steaks, shouldn't they you think the bullet care what 786 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: color they are? Like what you know? So just I 787 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: just wondered. I just sometimes I just think, like, man, 788 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: how maddening that must have been, even if you just 789 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: like slightly just logical, You're like, what, we're doing the 790 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: same job, though, aren't we? Like? Are we doing the 791 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: same job? Yeah? I think a lot of you and 792 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: white people got radicalized by all this, like and all 793 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: my reading, it's like a lot of people start off 794 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: being like, oh, I don't know, and then they're like, oh, 795 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: this is evil, you know. Yeah, So so Galloway right, 796 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: He's no longer a Union's by, but his networks run 797 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: really deep all over the South. He managed to smuggle 798 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: his own mother out of Wilmington's, which is seventy five 799 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: miles beyond Confederate lines and one of the most heavily 800 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: fortified cities in the entire Confederacy. He gets out, he 801 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: arranges for her to send up to be Boston, where 802 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: she stays with one of his friends from the Anti 803 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: Man Hunting League. Yes, I want to think that I 804 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: would be have the balls to dude, have to get 805 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: my mom out. You know what I'm saying, Like, send 806 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: me that's a long walk. Yeah, um, and so okay, 807 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: So it's it's hard to overstate the importance of the 808 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: black soldiers and black insurgents fighting. It's like and the 809 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: striking black workers on the war effort. So I'll just 810 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: say that they fucking won the war. Militarily, they win 811 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: it by fighting hard and well and by spying and scouting. 812 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: But economically they wanted to And I've already said that 813 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: like three times, but i just want to make sure 814 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: I wanta leaves with that impression. And then North Carolinian 815 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: journalist David Forbes puts it like this. In April eighteen 816 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: sixty four, Lincoln met with a delegation of Galloway and 817 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: several other prominent insurgent figures from the North Carolina ports. 818 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: The President greeted them with an unusual, almost obsequious hospitality. 819 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: The few observers of the meeting noted that the delegates 820 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 1: weren't deferential. They were direct that they wanted the greatest 821 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: of privileges, their political rights and autonomy, and pointedly emphasized 822 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: the dire straits the war effort would be in without 823 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: their support. The incident comes off not as a commander 824 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: in chief giving orders, but is essentially autonomous militias, fully 825 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: aware of their leverage, and a government eager to keep 826 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: them actively on their side. That stuff they don't tell you, Yeah, exactly, 827 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: Like everything I'd always read is like, oh, and then 828 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: the you know, the grateful black people were so excited 829 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: that the white Irish Northerners saved them or whatever, yeah, 830 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: from the horrible racists of the South, And like, no, 831 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: first of all, the white people are racists everywhere, and 832 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: some of them are on racist everywhere, and but yeah, 833 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: fucking anyway, Yeah, I love that. So so Galloway end 834 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: of the war, he he moves to Wilmington's, the Confederacy 835 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: takes off their gray uniforms and put on white hoods. 836 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: As we all know, in eighteen sixty seven, the KKK 837 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: demanded that all black organizing cease in Wilmington's. So Galloway 838 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: and the black militia were like, well, you could, you 839 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: could fucking make us if you want. Yeah, how about that. 840 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: There's like four days of street battles with the clan, 841 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: and then the clan fox off out of Wilmington's for 842 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: the next thirty years. Love it, he winds up a senator. 843 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,919 Speaker 1: He refuses to show difference to white people. He fought 844 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: for the rights of women, including full suffrage. He walked 845 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: around carrying a pistol. He fought for labor rights. He 846 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: started working to build coalitions with poor whites along class lines. 847 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: And then because of the nineteenth century, you know what 848 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: he did, he died at thirty three. Oh my goodness, 849 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: it's been like this man was so successful. You know, 850 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:02,919 Speaker 1: we are all like, listen, we're all losers, like Uka 851 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: thirty three, Doug okay ye. Then yeah, yeah, he dies 852 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: at thirty three because it's nice. Yeah, and then he 853 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: either dies of like a fever or he gets poisoned. 854 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,799 Speaker 1: It depends on what what history book you about you read, 855 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's Gollaway. And there's a few more 856 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: parts of this whole Civil War within the Civil War, 857 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: the Civil Civil War war, and it was civil war. 858 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: One part is that the the white South was far 859 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: from united in the support of the Confederacy. A lot 860 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: of people didn't want to fight and die for slavery, 861 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: a few of them because I thought slavery was bad. 862 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: More because they were just like too poor to get 863 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: to own people themselves. Yeah, but in eighteen sixty, I 864 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: was gonna say, I think that that's important part of 865 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: his story to this, Like you're like why intersectionality and 866 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: critical race theory, like why you need to notice stuff? 867 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: Is that type of intersection to where it's like, hey, dude, like, yeah, 868 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: maybe I'm not a slave, but I can see it 869 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: at that's bullshit and I can't afford to have one anyway. 870 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: And I can't stand your owner either totally, you know 871 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,399 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, Nah, he's a dickhead, you right, yeah, nah, 872 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: fuck that guy. But I'm just as poor as you are, 873 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,439 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Well, not just as poor, 874 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: but like in their perception they're just like I mean, 875 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm poor too, Like nah for this guy, not even 876 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: a fight for that, you know what I'm saying. So 877 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: it's more like it's not so much that like you know, 878 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: like obviously like socially conscious and aware for their time, 879 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: but just more the reality of like this is what 880 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,439 Speaker 1: this is What a lack of resources does It makes 881 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: you be like man fighting your principal cause like talking 882 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: about no man, that guy, you know, you just summarize 883 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: the next chunk of my script. Let's go yeah, like, okay, 884 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: so in eighteen sixty, most white Southerners they don't live 885 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: in the plantation belt. They live upland they live in 886 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: mountains and hills. And then to them, they don't grow 887 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: cash cash crops. They even the ones who own land, 888 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: they didn't so they didn't grow cotton. They were just 889 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,280 Speaker 1: subsistence farmers. Some of them were heard Muslim subsistence farmers 890 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: called the and they get called the the yeomen, which 891 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: is a word I never knew how to pronounce. I 892 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: only know how to spell because it's also a word 893 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,800 Speaker 1: in like ye oldly medieval stories. But yeah, so the 894 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: when the Confederacy formed and succeeded, a lot of delegates 895 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: from the mountains voted to remain within the Union or 896 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: only voted for secession after they were threatened. That's another 897 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: thing that doesn't get talked about. Even some of the 898 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 1: people voted secession were like, well, you're gonna kill me, 899 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: so all right, you know, yeah, yeah, I guess. And 900 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,720 Speaker 1: then the reason West Virginia, where I live, the reason 901 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: it exists is because it didn't want to succeed from 902 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: the Union. So it's succeeded from Virginia. The whole of 903 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: East Tennessee voted to remain in the Union two to one, 904 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: and they they weren't playing around. Pro Union military companies 905 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: formed in every county. One guy went up to d 906 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: C to be like, hey, if we if we blow 907 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: up all the bridges from the rest of Tennessee, you 908 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: sent down troops to protect us, And the general was like, yeah, sure, guy, 909 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: we can do that. Um. So they went and they 910 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: torched four bridges, but they weren't able to capture the rest. 911 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: So they were too heavily guarded by the Confederates. So 912 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: instead of a Union army marching in, a Confederate army 913 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: marched in and occupied East Tennessee. They declare martial law, 914 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: they start seizing property, a bunch of the ring leaders 915 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: are executed, hundreds are arrested, and then thousands of men 916 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: of military age flee through the mountains through the Confederacy 917 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: to go join the Union army. When the when the 918 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: Union recaptures East Tennessee, it was it was led by 919 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: a Union regiment of Tennessee infantry. They had enough fucking 920 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: people funk off and they were able to form an 921 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: entire fucking regiment that was like, no, we know, we 922 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,839 Speaker 1: know these we know these blue mountains out we know them. 923 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what to go. You know I'm 924 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: saying yeah. Winston County, Alabama, in the northern part of 925 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: the state, they voted to secede from the Confederacy. So 926 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: they decided, look, if the Confederates are allowed to seceed 927 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: from the Union were allowed to seceed from the Confederacy. 928 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: They formed militia ban that stopped Confederate conscription and they 929 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: protected local families from being robbed by the army. The 930 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: the Peace and Constitutional Society of Arkansas again in the mountains, 931 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: this time in the Ozarksalachia. They resist conscription. Hundred of 932 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: them are arrested. Eight thousand of them fled and served 933 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: in the Union Army. In the total, over the course 934 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: of the war, a hundred thousand Confederate troops deserted, most 935 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: of them facing execution if they got caught. Almost all 936 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: of them are folks who didn't known slaves, and they 937 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: knew that there. They ran off because they were like, 938 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: my family will fucking starve by a subsistence farmer, Like 939 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: if I'm not there to put crops in the ground, 940 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: my family will die. Funk this war. Yeah. In the 941 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: hills of Choctawk County, Mississippi, a loyal league of deserters 942 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,720 Speaker 1: spied for the Union help people desert robbed the families 943 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: of those who were loyal to the Confederacy. Northern Alabama 944 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: started off loyal to Confederacy, but by eighteen sixty three 945 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: was full of people resisting and Floyd County West go ahead. 946 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, man, at some point, it's like, 947 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,759 Speaker 1: I don't care what your politics are, man, you're not 948 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: gonna feed your children and know me? Grinder, Yeah, you 949 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, at some point you like 950 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: this is yeah, like you said, there is some bullshit man. 951 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: Like even if you started off being like yeah, you know, 952 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,839 Speaker 1: and then you're like, you know what this look, man, 953 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm go home grossing potatoes. Yeah. Basically, all through the 954 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: South people just fought against the Confederacy. They would ambush, 955 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: they would rob, they would sabotage, they would assassinate, and 956 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: then they were met with massacres and arson. There's a 957 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: whole fucking civil war within the Civil War. In North Carolina, 958 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,720 Speaker 1: the coast had black and indigenous guerrillas. They had Maroons 959 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: hanging out in the swamps would attack. The center had 960 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: these like direct action abolitionists. The west and the mountains 961 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: had diehard Unionists. Madison County, which is where I lived 962 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: for four or five years before now, it was called 963 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: Bloody Madison. The Confederates there came from the cities, but 964 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: they were outnumbered by the anti Confederates who came from 965 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,879 Speaker 1: the hills and the unions. Unions there. Basically, they're tired 966 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: of being robbed constantly by the Confederates, so they robbed 967 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: all their own ship back and then the Confederates came 968 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: and they rounded up thirteen people and shot them in 969 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: the mountains, including a thirteen year old boy. Some of 970 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 1: the soldiers hesitated to shoot, and the commander said, anyone 971 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: who doesn't shoot is going to get shot too. The 972 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: most famous of these yeoman results revolts sorry in the 973 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: Civil War was the Free State of Jones, Mississippi. Is 974 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: another Hollywood movie ever seen? Free State of Jones. Uh? 975 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: Is this another Hollywood movie that gets fucking white saviory 976 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: about this ship? Yea um. But basically, there's this Confederate 977 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 1: soldier named Newton Knight. He heard that his brother in 978 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: law was abusing his kids, so he deserts. He walks 979 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: two d miles home and he kills the aforementioned brother 980 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,879 Speaker 1: in law. Then he takes the swamps where he's hanging 981 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: out with the maroon community, the runaway enslave folks or 982 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: the people no longer enslaved, people fleeing enslavement. So he's 983 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: hanging out there and then other Confederate deserters. They form 984 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,600 Speaker 1: a multi racial grilla gang. They raid Confederate storehouses. They 985 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: distribute the food back to the farmers. They fought fourteen 986 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: skirmishes with the confess Tod Army. Newton Knights said their 987 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: numbers never exceeded twenty five fighters, but a general from 988 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 1: the Union Army claims it was six d. They declared 989 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: their county free from Confederates. They raised the U. S 990 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,439 Speaker 1: Flag over the courthouse, and they declared a free state 991 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: of equal rights. And after the war, Newton Knight writes 992 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: to the US government and he asked for compensation for 993 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: the families of the men who died in battle. In 994 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 1: the US is like, uh, no, we don't, we don't 995 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: know you all. We don't know you. Yeah, because my 996 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,879 Speaker 1: argument is that the Union isn't really the good guys 997 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 1: in the story. They're just the better than the Confederates guys, 998 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: the other guys. Dude, there's a this This is a 999 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,880 Speaker 1: dope moment, like culturally, um, for a number of reasons. 1000 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,240 Speaker 1: But I think one of the doper like modern tie 1001 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: ins is especially around like the Appalachia stuff because um, 1002 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 1: just like the origins of like folk music, like the 1003 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: banjo is West African, Like that's a West African instrument. 1004 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: So when you have this like interaction of freed or like, um, 1005 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:11,799 Speaker 1: you know, self emancipating slaves, right, former slaves hit these 1006 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: Appalachian with these like Gaelic and Irish, So you have 1007 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,360 Speaker 1: these type of sing songy stuff that's Gaelic and Irish 1008 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: that we're hiding in the Appalachians plus this like African 1009 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,720 Speaker 1: banjo's and it made what we know as folk music 1010 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: said is these people existing in these mountains who was poor, 1011 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what they did, and they was 1012 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: playing music outside. And I'm like that to me is 1013 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: like a sign of like you said, what you're talking 1014 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: about to where it's like these these people up in 1015 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: the MOUNTA was like, man, funk your ward. Like I 1016 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. Now y'all come stay 1017 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: with us, you know what I'm saying, or the other 1018 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: way around. Like black people just found this mountain. It 1019 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: was like, oh damn, people live up here, you know. 1020 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: I was like, what y'all doing? You know? We free Now, 1021 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: I ain't scared of y'all, yo, but uh yeah, So 1022 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 1: I just think they these I wish more people would 1023 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: tell these stories. Um, if anything, just not for those no, 1024 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: like you know, making make us feel better about like, well, 1025 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: not all white people, not for that thing, but to 1026 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: just understand that, you know, history is way more complicated 1027 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: than we was taught. Yeah, no, exactly. Like even as 1028 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to write this, I'm trying to be like, 1029 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to center the white anti racists on this, right, 1030 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: but I want people to know that, like, for whatever 1031 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: the reasons, the South was not a fucking unified place, 1032 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, and then to close off this whole thing 1033 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: about it. Even some of the fucking plantation owners. Fuck them. 1034 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm not defending them. They get in on the effect 1035 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: of hating the Confederacy, but they do it purely out 1036 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 1: of self interest because they're a bunch of capitalists, right, 1037 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,839 Speaker 1: and so yes, of course, when well they'll do whatever 1038 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: is the most profitable. When New Orleans gets occupied in 1039 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty two and then throughout Mississippi in eighteen sixty three, 1040 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 1: some rich fox are like, you know what, fuck it, well, 1041 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: so we got cotton and sugar, we'll sell it to 1042 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 1: the Union Army instead, um, which is like, it's basically 1043 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: what you get when you try to run a war 1044 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: based on the idea of creating like the collective self 1045 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: interest of capitalists. They don't have collective self interest, Like, no, 1046 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: there is no Yeah, it's the self interest is the money. 1047 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,799 Speaker 1: So I love it. They was like, y'all fighting for 1048 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: us to be able to keep slaves, but y'all don't 1049 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: buy enough. So, uh, what's that with y'all? Y'all, y'all, y'all, 1050 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: y'all was in sugar yo, say, and now y'all smoke, 1051 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: y'all smoke, y'all smoke yea, we got to tobacco. It's ridiculous. 1052 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: And that is the story of the Civil Civil War War. 1053 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,279 Speaker 1: Feeling about the Civil Civil War War, man, I I am. 1054 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: I hope that this pod gets so much like air 1055 00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: and oxygen in it because of the amount of story 1056 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 1: as that aren't told out of this not only just 1057 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,920 Speaker 1: to like the culture as a whole, but black people period. 1058 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, like you know, we 1059 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: know that, we know the we know the highlight reels, 1060 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the harreat Tubmans. Then that 1061 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,399 Speaker 1: Turner is the sole general truths, you know what I'm 1062 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: saying that you know, the Frederick Douglas is the ones 1063 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: that were literate and you know, wrote um biographies and 1064 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: autobiographies and such, but like these like you know, regular 1065 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: dudes that were like nah, fam, you think you think 1066 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 1: your ancestors, you know what I'm saying, You really think 1067 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 1: your ancestors just took it like they didn't just take 1068 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 1: it like you know what I'm saying, like nah, like 1069 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: fuck too finial the whole time. You know. So I 1070 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 1: think that like even just hearing that you're you're you're 1071 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,120 Speaker 1: right this, I have the opposite feeling of the bastard 1072 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: thing where I feel like invigorated and inspired, like yeah, foo, 1073 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 1: yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah I succeeded. You did, Margaret. 1074 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling me for this one. Thanks for 1075 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: coming on. And on Wednesday, we're gonna talk about the 1076 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: Lowry Gang, which is tying into all of this, and 1077 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: you all will not be disappointed by this. Let's go prop. 1078 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: You got any plugables for us at the end here, Yeah, 1079 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: prop hip hop dot com. Um, you know what I'm 1080 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna do. I haven't pluged this on any of the 1081 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: pod yet, but if y'all are in the l A area, 1082 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,720 Speaker 1: I do this thing called Club Real Ones. It's every 1083 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: first Sunday in Long Beach. It's and it's it's just 1084 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 1: the day party for y'all grown folks. I gotta work 1085 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 1: the next day. We're done by eight, you know what 1086 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And there's there'sn't there. I mean, there's an 1087 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: after part if you want to. You can go get 1088 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,439 Speaker 1: cocktails next door. We have that too if you don't 1089 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 1: gotta work tomorrow. But if you do, Yo three to 1090 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: three to eight, just come chill with us the greatest 1091 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,919 Speaker 1: DJs in CALLI you know what I'm saying. Uh yeah, 1092 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,320 Speaker 1: Club real Ones dot It's on my website, profit pop 1093 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: dot com. And then all the professional stuff, like I 1094 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: wrote a book. You know, I got my podcast for politics, 1095 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 1: yeah terrif Yeah, which I just got an award yesterday 1096 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,680 Speaker 1: for which is ship Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, those are 1097 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,840 Speaker 1: my plugs, Margaret, anything you want to plug at the 1098 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: end here, well, at the moment I seem to like 1099 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,680 Speaker 1: plug in my new podcast, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. 1100 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,360 Speaker 1: You can also follow me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy 1101 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: and a bunch of books out. I guess the most 1102 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 1: recent one that's out. It's called A Country of Ghosts. 1103 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 1: It's an anarchist utopian novel. Okay, so we'll be back. 1104 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: We'll be back on Wednesday. We're back in the feeds. 1105 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: We're back in the feeds. 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