WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: DiNucci Time? 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.920 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:20.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.720 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:36.360 Star in Priscilla, and now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:42.800 My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. Oh is this 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:48.120 special Thursday? Isn't it, gentlemen? Because we've had a historic 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.360 day in the Talking Cowboys universe. Because we are not 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.920 inside the SAWBC Mortgage studios. Instead, we're on the Tostitos 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.360 Fiesta Plaza at the Fun Town are V Tailgate. We 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.080 are gonna be out here podcast wise for the rest 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.480 of the day. However, this is the first time that 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.839 all four of us have been in the same place 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.560 at one time. Heckby and Isaiah have never met, and 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.479 we've never all four been in the same place at 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.440 one time before. But hey, we're here Talking Cowboys here 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.120 on a Thursday. We're gonna break down some recent moves 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.199 from the Dallas Cowboys here over the next forty five minutes. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.120 Heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back, what's up? 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.080 Can I just say that's the most twenty twenty thing 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:30.600 I've heard this year. We've been doing the show for 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.880 how many months? And Isaiah just met just met, Yeah, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.520 that just happened. All that arguing, all that argument, Yeah, yeah, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.920 they're best friends and they just met. There there's a 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.680 reason we put them apart from each other too. We 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.000 backed them up and put them on, put them on 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.080 the opposite sides. Is it. You're exactly right though, Like, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.240 and I was thinking about this last night, just the 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.560 fact that Rob and I have been in the same 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.880 place at the same time for the first time this week, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.080 all three of us were in the same place because 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.000 of pregame shows, the and then Hecma was the only 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.680 one that at least at this point had been out 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.080 of it. But but I had been in the same place, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.079 Robin Heckman had been in the same place. And then 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.040 finally we've got all four together. So thank goodness for that. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.440 And beautiful thing it is. Actually it's a ton of fun. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.640 It's a it's chilly out here. I say it before 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.720 the show said it was philly weather, which is fitting 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.480 I guess since the Cowboys are going to go up 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.640 to Lincoln Financial this week. And man, I'm not gonna 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.040 lie they've got us set up. They've got some fantastic 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.239 heaters back here, which is keeping us warm. We've got 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.079 all of the fun Town RV to to go through 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.040 and walk around our setups all in there. It really 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.359 has been a cool morning already. But it's also a 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.200 morning following some roster moves for the Dallas Cowboys, and 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.040 we've got to get into that. Both Don Tari Poe 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.240 and Darryl Worley released yesterday. Of course, the report came 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.840 out from Tom Pellicero earlier in the day that the 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:56.120 Cowboys were shopping those two guys but didn't ultimately come 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.040 up with a suitor, so they did end up releasing him. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.400 They were not at practice yesterday. Rob just kind of 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.840 go through the move overall and what it does for 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.639 the Cowboys. Initially, well Asaiah called it. They weren't it practice. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.160 Mike McCarthy was asked directly before practice would they be there. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.720 He didn't comment on it. He said, Everson Griffin's the 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.880 only move we're gonna talk about. And ultimately they decided 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.440 to make that deal. That report, those two cuts, that 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.720 report was accurate. A trade did not materialize, and they're 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.280 moving on and you know, at least at the defensive 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.880 tackle spot. It's a little bit like the Everson Griffin 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.079 move where Neville Gallimore is a young player, a draft pick, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.400 they like they want to give him more snaps. And 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.360 I think it just especially for Wary and Poe, it 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.120 just comes down to production. They weren't getting production there. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.880 Cheeto's coming back off of ir at the cornerback spot. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.760 And you know this that free agent defensive class they've got, guys, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.040 it just has not panned out this year. No, I 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.720 don't think any of us are surprised when you asked 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.200 the question about, you know, what moves would be made, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.440 and we talked about the po Worli shake if we 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.240 could put it together, and that that was the move 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.520 that was made and based off of production guys. I mean, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.880 it's uh, it was one of those things that you 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.360 also talked about the interview yesterday with with Jerry talking 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.760 about done Terry Poe and just being in shape, and 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.200 maybe that's indicative of just the climbing that we're in. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.720 You know, guys just hadn't been able to get in 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.000 shape like that. But he came in already with the 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:26.000 reputation of maybe playing a little heavy I can eat 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.760 eat No. This is this was the right move, right. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.880 I mean these guys, they guys were there. There, there 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.200 were baggage that we necessarily didn't need at this point 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:34.720 in time. I mean obviously when you signed them in 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.520 the all season, you think that you made a great move, right. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.359 You think you're bringing in some savvy vents. You know, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.599 you have a new coaching staff coming in. Um, you 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.040 need some guys that can come in and kind of 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.920 establish themselves. Um, they're already proven, right. You don't want 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.320 to have a bunch of young guys trying to figure 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.200 it out with the brand news coaching staff. So you 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.800 bring in some veterans that are proven, have good track record. Well, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.200 the bad thing about bringing in veterans sometimes is they 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.040 don't have a lot of motivation to drive him once 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.160 they get the check right. It's either you're a guy 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.200 who wants to check or you're a guy who wants 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.039 to ring right. Sometimes you get the combination of both. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.080 But unfortunately the drive kind of is. Let the drive 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.560 leaves some guys right, and they've already had good careers 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.120 for the most part, and they come and they get 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.239 some guaranteed money, which owners hate to give right. Veterans 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.839 led to get it, but owners hate to give it. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.280 And unfortunately, when you happen to get that guaranteed money, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.719 if you don't have that internal drive to be great, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.480 to continue to produce, then guess what, you're literally out 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.479 there just collecting the check. And it seemed like that 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.240 was kind of the case for Don Tari Poe from 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.440 training camp and Rob you were out there practices as well, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.120 so tell me if I'm wrong. But it seemed like 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.680 at least then you didn't see that push from him 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.400 at that point. You thought, maybe it's because of the 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.160 injury he was out from week twelve on last season. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.279 Maybe that's gonna play a factor. Ultimately, he just never 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.600 picked it back up and found it With Darryl Worley, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.720 I don't think it was necessarily a pattern of complacency. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.680 I think it was mostly just the fact that he 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.840 just didn't get the schemes and had a lot of 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.359 communication issues. Yeah, I don't know if it was a 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.960 great you know, we talked about trying to buy into 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.640 the scheme, and I don't I don't know if that 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.719 was the case for all three of the players. They 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.760 they've moved on from necessarily. I just look at this 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.560 draft class, guys, and it's you know, they've they've had 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.080 free agent classes that haven't worked out within a year 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.360 or two, but not like this. Say the names, how 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:23.560 many let's thought it? Hahaha, Okay, so m kennedy yeah, Griffin, Yeah, Griffin, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.520 Jerald McCoy's hurt, Jared, throw them in their branded car. Yeah, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.800 it's pretty bad. Alan Smith's the last man standing in 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:37.080 Blake Bell and Blake Bill. He yea solid one. Yeah, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.120 But the defensive side of the ball, it just it 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.680 just hasn't hasn't worked. And I hate to agree with 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.640 Mickey because Mickey always says this and I disagree with 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.839 him a lot of the times. But when you're their 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.440 strategy is always to kind of wade through the second 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.240 and third waves of free agency, and you know, despite 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.880 the names, you know, they acquired some names, signed some 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.200 names in the offseason, but sometimes when they do that, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.240 there's a reason why guys still out there, and it 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.680 just it hasn't worked. I think Griffin was the biggest 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.760 surprise guys, because, like we said yesterday, we were all 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.960 excited about that signing, and I think everybody felt like 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.680 he had options he signed a weekend to camp, but 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.440 he had options. He could have. Seattle apparently wanted him. 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.400 If Seattle wants somebody, I'm interested, you know, because of 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.840 the way they run their organization. That was a big surprise. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.040 But the other ones haven't. And now they've just got 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.360 a piece of sin together the rest of the year 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.560 defensively and try to show some improvement. I think if 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.240 if I were given the chance to bet one of 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.880 these funtwn RVs on the fact that the fact that 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.400 Everson Griffin was going to be better than Robert Quinn, 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.520 I probably would have done it. Like I was that 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.680 confident in the fact that he was gonna come in 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.840 and make an impact. And of course he was shipped 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.520 off to Detroit for a six round pick, which at 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.800 this point is the right move for everybody involved. It's 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.240 the right move for Griffin, it's the right move for 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.920 the Cowboys to get some draft picks. But at what 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.120 point do we look at this I don't know, and 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.280 I feel like this is a question I've asked, But 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.360 what point do we look at this as a coaching 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.160 thing or if we look at it as just the 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.320 front office thing. I don't think it's either one of those. Really, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.560 I think that the front office did their job this offseason. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.280 I honestly and truly think they did. They did their job. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.960 They got a team together mixed with young guys, makeing 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.080 some guys who've been in this organization since they first 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.680 came into the league, and then they win, got out 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.120 some veterans that are proven. That's what you do, right, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.240 you feel your roster with And we were all sitting 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.120 here talking about how much death we have, right, I know, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.680 we talked about that yesterday. So on paper, that's all 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.480 you can account for. As as ownership, as management, that's 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.280 all you can do is get guys that look good 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.120 on paper, good guys who have historically looked good on film, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.440 and then guess what, you simply cross your fingers and 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.240 hope that when you cut the check, they're going to 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.600 continue to produce like they were prior to you bringing 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.839 them onto your team and acquiring them. So, unfortunately, you 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.680 can't control the aspect whether or not they decide they 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.880 want to play or not. That's what It doesn't matter 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.000 who you get. They decide whether or not they want 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.760 to play hard, if they want to be effective or not. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.320 Like I said, the check is the same, and unfortunately 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.200 there's a lot of guys out there that will just 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.800 shut it down. I guess what, whether I play hard 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.160 take it. For instance, this season's not going well, right, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.679 the season's not going well. If you take somebody like 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.440 a look at Seattle, like a Carlos don Lap, productive player, right, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.800 productive player, impact player. But in Cincinnati, he could decide 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.840 I'm really not going to be that effective because our 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.560 chances just aren't that great. Now he goes to Seattle. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.960 Oh shoot, I guarantee you that boy puts it on 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.920 a hundred. Why because I now have a chance of 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.719 getting a ring. So I'm gonna give it everything that 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.840 I have. And unfortunately that's the reality of the matter. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.840 I think also the evaluation process was kind of stummy 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.679 because of all the things that were going on. If 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.600 you think about even the draft, guys didn't get an 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.600 opportunity to do their pro days because of the pandemic, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.120 so a lot of that, a lot of that may 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.480 have impacted the way that they looked at these guys. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.559 And on paper, guys right, it looked good. But I 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.880 kudos to this front the front office for it not 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:54.000 working out and not say Bay and let's start this 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.960 thing all over and get our young guys some reps 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.120 because they are relatively low risk signings in terms of money. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.000 Like I said, repre there's some there's guaranteed money involved, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.640 but they're not taking a huge hit. Uh. In with 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.559 the Griffin trade, they're saving three million bucks and get 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.080 a pick out of it. You would have probably gotten 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.760 a competitory pick anyway. Uh yeah, I agree on paper 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.240 it looked great, you know it just and I do 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.200 think the COVID delay start to training camp did affect 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.559 the way guys can come into camp. The ESPN report 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.920 that that heck reference, Jerry told Chris Mortenson Don Terry 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.960 posts forty pounds overweight. You know, that's I mean, that's 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.880 just that's that's a problem when you're trying to have 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.040 a you know, bang starts of the season. I think 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.040 a lot of time, I think the McCoy injury is 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.760 a lot larger than what we've made. I think it's 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.199 a lot larger than what we what we put attention on. Um. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.160 It was very clear um on the defensive side of 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.679 the ball and the offensive side of the ball, how 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.600 well respected he was, UM to his approach, UM, his grind, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.440 his leadership. I mean, you heard a lot of guys 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.559 in a short period of time bringing his name up 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.480 and referencing him. And I think that once he was gone, 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.600 everybody was kind of looking around trying to figure out, okay, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.160 now who now who was going to lead us? And 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.400 I don't think anybody wanted to step up. Well, they 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.400 looked at Poe. That's where I looked. Anyways, I don't 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.440 know if that's what the same thing was in the 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.800 locker room, But initially, whenever Gerald McCoy came out, or 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.640 even when he was signed, it was Gerald McCoy and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.840 Doantaria Poe. It was the two guys from Carolina coming in, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.640 going to be healthy and ready to play. So whenever 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.760 McCoy went out, I looked at Poe. And I don't know, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.439 Like I said, I'm not in that locker room, So 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.840 I don't know if the players said that same thing. Now, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.480 kind of going based off of what HECMA and Rob said, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.560 and you're talking about the COVID off season. I know 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.920 this is an excuse, but it could be some reasoning, 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.000 maybe not an excuse, but a reasoning to get these 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.920 guys out of the way for a rookie class, Like 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.200 we mentioned some of these young guys Neville Gallimore, Bradley 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.040 and I on the defensive line specifically and getting them 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.120 an opportunity to show out because we haven't really had 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.680 a chance to evaluate those guys. Is that a big 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.200 factor whenever you're looking at personnel development right now, the 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.440 fact that you think you had a really, really good 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.280 rookie class and now you get a chance to look 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.560 at him. Yeah. Not only that, you think about the 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.800 injury to Tristan Hill as well, so all of those 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.400 things being relative, Yeah, you want to get an opportunity 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.760 to see what Neville Gallamar has. He's a high energy 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.720 guy and anytime you look at him on film, even 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.200 if he gets beat, he's still trying to get to 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.280 the ball carry And I think that was the effort 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.240 was what we were questioning with this defensive line. But 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.080 going forward, guys, I mean, Kyle, you get your wish. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.240 You get an opportunity to see Bradley and Night so well, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.080 and even Mike McCarthy came out it was like, well, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.200 Dorn's Armstrong is gonna see a lot of playing time, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.079 and it's like, I just crush your dreams. Yeah, A 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.400 little bit. It's like Mike, come on now. But Doren's 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.319 Armstrong has also been putting in some good film as well. Yeah, yes, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.760 I can't. I can't hate on Dorn's Armstrong. I just 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.840 want to see fifty six, that's the only thing. What 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.840 do you guys feel about that though, Like, I mean, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.880 they're they're clearly going younger at some spots, at the 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.439 quarterback spot, you're getting a starter back, you're getting cheeto 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.400 back in goodness, So that's you know, that's a little 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.880 different with Worley going out. But I mean Jerry said 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.840 in that that ESPN report last night, we're not giving up. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.440 They're going younger, but they obviously must feel like it's 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.760 not a huge drop off in terms of what they've 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.839 been getting defensively, so you know, it's this isn't a 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.640 huge loss necessarily. Yeah, So I don't know. I think, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.800 you know, the division is still within reach. I think 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.240 the expectations are what they are at this point. But 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.040 I don't think. I don't look at this as a 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.640 tank move. You know, let's just get rid of everybody, 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.760 cut bait and play for next year. No, you get 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.000 rid of the guys who don't want to be on board. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.240 If they're not doing what if they're not participating and 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.520 being active. You know, assets to the culture and the 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.920 environment that you're trying to create, and they're costing you money. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.240 You get rid of them, right, I mean, it's no 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.400 different than your bills at the house. Right if you 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.600 have if you've been having you know, cable and you 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.040 need to go to stream and guess what, you cut 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.800 it off, right, I mean, it's no different, right, you 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.679 cut bait. So I mean to get rid of the 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.599 stuff and then guess what you're still I know the 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.360 guys don't like hearing about it. All the fans are like, 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.240 oh my gosh, we were terrible. Right now, everything that 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.800 you want out of this season is still out there 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.760 for you, regardless of how you feel. Take the emotions 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.840 out of it. Heck them out. I don't deal with them, can't. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.120 I can't take it out. I don't do it. I 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.199 don't do it emotion. You can win the division. If 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.320 you win the division, what happens roight, You get a 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.400 home playoff game, You get a playoff game, and if 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.040 you're in the playoffs, you have an opportunity to win. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.480 What they're a good ring. The good cookie. Okay. So 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.840 that's isn't that why you show up to play? Absolutely? Okay? 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.120 So regardless of how things are feeling, this is what 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.760 you do. You get rid of the bad eggs or 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.200 the things that you don't feel like are part of 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:29.920 a part of what you're trying to have going forward, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.600 and you try to figure this thing out and you 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.480 try to get these guys jump started so that you 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.360 can go out there and ultimately go after the same 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.520 goals that you set forth before anybody touched the field. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.120 You know, I'm just glad to hear that funtwn RV 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.160 wasn't the only one that brought the fire this morning. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.240 That's that's that's, that's what I'm hearing with Isaiah now. Specifically, though, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.360 whenever you're you're talking about this, it would be a 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.720 message to say you're giving up on the season. It 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.400 would send a poor message to your younger players that 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.840 you want to develop, You want those guys to continue 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.560 driving after the division because even right now you're two 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.000 and five, that looks awful, but you're still what a 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.000 half game out of first place, so you have an 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.680 opportunity to find a way to win that division. What 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.960 kind of message would that sin if you didn't go 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.800 for it, And I think you're exactly right. I'm backing up. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.200 You're saying, yeah, no, I mean and for anybody out 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.360 there that's wondering about what this, what message this gives 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.480 to the team, This is not oh my gosh, we're 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.800 shutting it down. This is the total opposite. Yeah, this 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.240 is Jerry Jones letting it. And again, my belief is 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.640 that Jerry has kind of has let Steven kind of 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.160 take take take the reins a little bit, and every 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.280 so often when things aren't necessarily going right, you see 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.680 Jerry step up and say, I'm freaking Jerry Jones, this 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.240 is what the heck is going on. Get rid of 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.640 these jokers right here and everybody else in that locker room. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.480 Let you know, if I can get rid of these guys, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.920 you can go too. Jerry always says, if there's a tie, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.560 I break it, you don't go right, and he does 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.640 delegate a lot, but he is still heavily involved in 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.000 decision making. So yeah, no, I think they're still trying 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.720 to play. Look, Mike, to your point, Kyle, Mike McCarthy's 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.600 message continues to be we've got to find a way 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.160 to play through this adversity. If you're gonna shut this 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.800 down and say we're playing for next year, he's not 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.480 building his program, he's not building that culture. That word 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.040 we keep talking about, that's so important. So I said 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.880 this a couple days ago. For fans that are mad 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.440 because they think they're quitting or they're not showing enough effort, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.600 you can't say out of the other side of your mouth, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.600 well let's just shut it down, play for next year, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.840 because you're not That's what type of message are you 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.880 sending to the locker room. Yeah, not. You just can't 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.200 do it. You can't just say, hey, we're out on 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.200 this one. Hey, by the way, we have a chance 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.880 to win and go in the first place this week 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.640 if we if we take down Philly because Washington is 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.160 on a buy. Okay, so we're gonna step aside. Take 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.320 our first break here from the Tostitos Fiesta Plaza once 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.160 again funtwn RV tailgate. We're having a ton of fun 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.360 out here and showing off just a fantastic grz RV 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.000 up here as well at the Star in Frisco. So 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.120 when we come back, we start previewing that matchup with Philly. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.920 It's the Philly offense or no flip that Philly defense 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.880 versus is Cowboys offense. Flipping what we talked about yesterday, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.480 we talk about it next year on Talking Cowboys eighteen 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.400 sixty five. Stetson Hats are American maid with pride right 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.119 here in Texas, and Stetson is proud to be on 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.040 the field with America's team. Want to show your Texas 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.960 and Team pride two You can by purchasing your own Stetson. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.199 You can look just like how the flag guys do 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.720 on field at every home game. Stetson Hats the official 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.720 crown of all self respecting Cowboys and your favorite football team. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.440 Get yours today at Shop dot Dallas Cowboys dot com 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.399 or at Stetson dot com. I want to use what 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.800 the pros use? How about the official men's skincare brand 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.840 of the Dallas Cowboys, Jack Black. Right now you can 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.920 get the Jack Black Starter, a curated collection of Cowboys 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.880 locker room favorites, for just ten bucks with free shipping. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.119 The starter includes four Jack Black skincare favorites, plus a 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.040 full size and tense therapy whip bomb. Go to get 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.840 Jack Black dot com. Slash Cowboys and use the code 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.119 word Team JB. That's get Jack Black dot com, Slash Cowboys, 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.159 the Jack Black Starter, ten bucks free shipping. Esselrius a 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.000 proud sponsor of the Dallas Cowboys, helping fans see more 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.000 and do more with our best vision solutions. Our lens 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.360 technologies reveal a world more beautiful than you can imagine. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.119 For a limited time, get the slur next Gen offer 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.879 for you by the latest generation of Transitions lenses with 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.639 select Eslore Lenses. You can choose a second pair of 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.359 clear lenses for free with qualifying frame purchases. Restrictions apply. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.760 Find a participating eyecare professional by visiting slur usa dot com. 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.800 See more, Do More. We're back in a tasty treat 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.359 that's sweeping airwaves and taste buds. It's new Doctor Pepper 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.440 and Cream Soda. Let's take a listen, Doctor Pea and 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:47.080 Cream Soda. Is he a Newcombonelet's music to my ears? Okay, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:56.560 doctor time, music to my ears and mouths New Doctor 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:04.600