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Speaker 2: and what was a very close game at the half,
Speaker 2: the OKC Thunder run away with it in the second
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Speaker 2: SGA in Game one thirty one points, five rebounds, nine
Speaker 2: siss three steals, the first thirty point game of the
Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals by Thunder player since kd In twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen points in the paint Thunder fifty four t.
Speaker 1: Wolves twenty nick.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned early in the lead in, this was
Speaker 2: a very close game at the half and in the
Speaker 2: second half, like the Thunder stepped on the gas and
Speaker 2: made made the Wolves.
Speaker 1: Play for every time they turned the ball over.
Speaker 2: They made them play the ultimate price they cast in
Speaker 2: they laying it up.
Speaker 1: They got fired of the making threes. What is it that?
Speaker 1: How are the Thunder able to do this?
Speaker 2: They like, get able to get to a gear and
Speaker 2: seemingly other teams can't keep up with them.
Speaker 3: I think tonight, you know, I think Minnesota played right
Speaker 3: into their hands and uh Minnesota kept the ball for
Speaker 3: the free throw line pretty much the whole night, so
Speaker 3: it was easy for Okay cees defense to play boxes
Speaker 3: and elbowls. So anytime they had the ball up top,
Speaker 3: you know they they they're looking at three defenders, a
Speaker 3: guy on the ball in two you know, at the elbows.
Speaker 3: And they had no driving lanes and and they didn't cut.
Speaker 3: So anytime somebody put the ball on the ground, you know, okay,
Speaker 3: see got active hands, they gonna get deflections, and that
Speaker 3: those deflections normally in the stills.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know that first game is a
Speaker 1: field game.
Speaker 3: You know, they got they gonna figure it out as
Speaker 3: far as what adjustments they need to make both teams.
Speaker 3: But Minnesota got anew the ball, and they got to
Speaker 3: change their offense a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm looking at they only had two guys
Speaker 2: in double figures, and it was five and thirteen, three
Speaker 2: of eight from the three.
Speaker 1: Julius Randal was great again, twenty eight points.
Speaker 2: He was nine to thirteen from the floor, five and
Speaker 2: six from the three point line, five and six from
Speaker 2: the free throw line.
Speaker 1: He had twenty eight big points.
Speaker 2: But you got seven points from McDaniels, two points from
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert, seven points from Mike Conley. Like I said,
Speaker 2: only two players in double figures and when you got
Speaker 2: the opposing team, they got four players in double figures.
Speaker 2: That leaves a lot. That leaves a lot for you
Speaker 2: to try to make up from your bench. And if
Speaker 2: you look at it, okay, see has the better of
Speaker 2: the two benches.
Speaker 1: So now you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna really need to rely heavily on your starters in
Speaker 2: order for you to have a chance to win this game. Oh, Joe,
Speaker 2: you looking at the Temple Wolves. I know you like
Speaker 2: the timber Wolves, and add man, what disappoint wanted to
Speaker 2: do most about what you saw from the OKC Thunder
Speaker 2: the Night.
Speaker 4: Obviously from the Thunder the Wolve about the Wolve, yes, well,
Speaker 4: first off, offensively, right, everybody at the game started off
Speaker 4: very slow. Obviously Julis Rendo had a good first half.
Speaker 4: But I need a man to be a little bit
Speaker 4: more aggressive offensively. The rest of the team collectively as
Speaker 4: a group. I'm not talking about the bench. I'm talking
Speaker 4: about the starters. Before we even get to the bench,
Speaker 4: I need offensively, I need them to have better movement.
Speaker 4: You know, it seemed like everybody was very stagnant standing
Speaker 4: in one place. I understand the picking rolls, but nothing
Speaker 4: seemed like it was flowing smoothly, and they weren't working
Speaker 4: as a unit, you know, cohesively.
Speaker 1: Outside of that. Listen the thunder deal what they need
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: Defensively, they smothered them, and it seemed like every shot Nick,
Speaker 4: I know, I'm not tripping every shot that the Wolves
Speaker 4: tried to take. It not only was it contested, it
Speaker 4: seemed like it was difficult, difficult for them to even
Speaker 4: get a goddamn shot off.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at it every time they put I'm
Speaker 2: looking at you had. Julius Randall had thirteen shot attempts.
Speaker 2: At Man had thirteen shot attempts. Nas Reed was one
Speaker 2: for eleven, Deevin Cienzo was three or fourteen, Nikhil Alexander
Speaker 2: Walker was.
Speaker 1: Three of eleven.
Speaker 2: That's not nearly enough shot attempts for your two best players,
Speaker 2: y'all in the low teams thirteen and fourteen and thirteen
Speaker 2: and thirteen respectively, and you got two row you got
Speaker 2: bench players that's getting more shots than you.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: They're definitely gonna have to change the game plan and
Speaker 2: do something differently. Like you said, Julius Randall played really
Speaker 2: really well tonight, but a man they'll need. They're gonna
Speaker 2: need two or three guys to come along with Julius Randall.
Speaker 2: If Randall's gonna continue to play this well, and I
Speaker 2: don't see any reason why he's not, because they don't
Speaker 2: have anybody on the opposing team that can take it.
Speaker 1: He's too big of a boud it, he's too.
Speaker 2: Strong, he's too five for he's hitting his three point
Speaker 2: and when he put three point shot and when he
Speaker 2: puts the ball on the floor, who can stop it?
Speaker 1: But when you look at this.
Speaker 2: When you look at this nick and you see a team,
Speaker 2: they held them to thirty five percent from the three
Speaker 2: from the floor, twenty nine percent from the three point line.
Speaker 3: Beating OKAC with those percentages, well, you're not gonna beat
Speaker 3: Okay see with that, with that offense. That's that's Okay one.
Speaker 3: So their offense was so predictable. Oh okay, see, just
Speaker 3: just loaded up on them. So I'm I'm watching that game,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna have to find a way to get
Speaker 3: uh Anthony Edwards out of the corners more, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And coming up and being getting down
Speaker 3: here him playing at the top of the court with
Speaker 3: with two guys on this side waiting up, it's not
Speaker 3: gonna work. And they're they're they got a good enough coach,
Speaker 3: they're gonna go watch them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make the adjustments and all of that.
Speaker 3: Like with those guys getting those extra shots, with Connelly
Speaker 3: and de Vincenzo and uh they with them getting those
Speaker 3: it's that's not a problem because tonight they forced them
Speaker 3: to take those shots, right, they force them because they said,
Speaker 3: and you're not gonna beat us, and especially with you
Speaker 3: just playing in one spot on the court, they gotta
Speaker 3: move them around a little bit, get them in better spots.
Speaker 3: And you I saw on the seven half or ok
Speaker 3: see what they did. They started coming out of the corners,
Speaker 3: getting more ball moment, creating a single side a little
Speaker 3: bit easier, and they was able to get easier shots.
Speaker 3: So once they look at the film, coach, fence is
Speaker 3: pretty good to make that adjustment. So Game one, you know, okay,
Speaker 3: see hell served, but I think Minnesota will come back.
Speaker 1: Game two, great a shore, What was your point you
Speaker 1: wanted to make?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: All I was gonna say, like Nick said earlier, obviously
Speaker 4: it's game one. You wanted to me really win Game
Speaker 4: one for me obviously being a Wolves fan, and really
Speaker 4: going for the Wolves to win. This game is probably
Speaker 4: gonna go to seven. I hate the fact that it
Speaker 4: did lose it. To me, it kind of puts you
Speaker 4: behind the eight ball. But again, like when boxing the
Speaker 4: first four rounds, what's the first thing you got to do, Nick,
Speaker 4: You know, you feel your person out, you see what
Speaker 4: they like to do, try to find a rhythm, try
Speaker 4: to find a tempo, trying to find what works for
Speaker 4: you and what doesn't.
Speaker 1: The fact that the Wolves.
Speaker 4: Lost it kind of it kind of it got me
Speaker 4: a little Anti, a little upset, but I think we're
Speaker 4: gonna be all right next time. Ant obviously thirteen shots
Speaker 4: well enough, Julius Dranda was very efficient, and the rest
Speaker 4: of the team collectively besides the fuck the bench, excuse
Speaker 4: me my language, forget the bench. The starters need to
Speaker 4: need to do what they need to do before even
Speaker 4: worry about the bench, even though done to have a
Speaker 4: better bench than the Wars.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got Jewish Rama has twenty eight. The
Speaker 2: rest of the guys that played had sixty. You're not
Speaker 2: beating Okac with two guys in double figures. That's not
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Points in the pain Thunder fifty four was
Speaker 2: twenty ant Man was scoreless in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 2: I thought they did Look, I thought they did a
Speaker 2: good job on shape. Shay had thirty one points, but
Speaker 2: it took him twenty seven shots to get those knick.
Speaker 1: So I, hey, I'm cool. I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I'm making him work for everything that he's getting. Jaylen
Speaker 2: william seven or eighteen I can live with that. I
Speaker 2: can live with that. But if I'm gonna make their
Speaker 2: two best players be that inefficient, well that means I
Speaker 2: need to be efficient. I need to take better care
Speaker 2: of the ball. Because, like you now, when you're playing
Speaker 2: at the top of the key, you got Shape who's
Speaker 2: top three and steals? You got lou dort On ball
Speaker 2: can defend you. Got Jaylen Williams can defend you. Bring
Speaker 2: in Carson Wallace that can defend you. Bring in Wiggins
Speaker 2: that can defend you. Bring in Isaare Joke that can
Speaker 2: defend you. Got check the Hart and Stide that can
Speaker 2: protect the rim. You better get some cut. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about some hard cuts. I ain't talking about the little
Speaker 2: laser as cuts. I'm talking about some hard cut diving, hey,
Speaker 2: picking and getting down the.
Speaker 1: Hill in a hurry. Because if you don't, they're gonna
Speaker 1: leave you around.
Speaker 2: You're gonna stay around the three point line and then
Speaker 2: ay again, fifty one threes. That's not the Timberwolves game.
Speaker 2: Fifty one three is not their game.
Speaker 4: I have another thing, all right, are either one of
Speaker 4: you worried? I'm not really worried. I'm just saying about
Speaker 4: and tweaking his ankle just a little bit. I think
Speaker 4: that might have affected him as far as it's shooting
Speaker 4: and being efficient as well, not really able to play
Speaker 4: the game he really wanted to play after messing it
Speaker 4: hurting and hurting himself a little bit. I'm sure he
Speaker 4: probably one of that got it wrapped up, maybe took
Speaker 4: a shot, whatever they needed to do, just so we
Speaker 4: can get back in the game. You think that's gonna
Speaker 4: affect them the rest of the series at any point,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think he will. I think he would be
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: He get he get that day off themorrow, so whenever
Speaker 3: they play again, I think he'd be fine. Bo Bunks said, Man,
Speaker 3: they got to move their rock man, and they gotta
Speaker 3: play faster.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they hold Okay, see the one shot they
Speaker 3: gotta get that thing up the court, and they gotta go.
Speaker 3: They got to create easier opportunities. If not, they gonna
Speaker 3: be playing half court.
Speaker 2: And if that off, and you're playing five on four
Speaker 2: because Rudy Gobert is not an option for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just but but he needed to get every goudy damn rebound,
Speaker 2: and I'll let that thing like Kurt Ramers and Kevin
Speaker 2: Love and let's go. He had a guy played twenty
Speaker 2: one minutes. He's seven foot two inches tall. He had
Speaker 2: three rebounds tonight. He only had three more rebounds than me,
Speaker 2: and I got on, I.
Speaker 1: Got on this what I had, This is what I
Speaker 1: had on the whole game.
Speaker 2: Right here, he had three more rebounds than me and
Speaker 2: these So so this is what I said about that,
Speaker 2: because he's always in the health position, right, so he's
Speaker 2: always coming up to the free throw line or the
Speaker 2: smiley's face, so he's out of position in rebound.
Speaker 1: So in his defense, I'll give that hell.
Speaker 2: They missed forty one shots, he got they missed forty
Speaker 2: one shots, and you missed fifty miss fifty four shots.
Speaker 2: So there's ninety three shots that you had a chance
Speaker 2: to get a rebound and you only got three of
Speaker 2: or ninety ninety one three.
Speaker 1: Damn, Nick, I.
Speaker 3: Just gave you the best description I can what we do.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, you know what.
Speaker 4: Another issue is also that for the Wolf, as you
Speaker 4: get further into the playoffs, obviously the teams you play,
Speaker 4: they get much better. Yeah, so not only do the
Speaker 4: Wolves he do better shooting efficiently, efficiently and Julius Rando
Speaker 4: obviously was good tonight, but the supporting cast, including Anthony Everards,
Speaker 4: who I say still well keep saying is the face
Speaker 4: of the NBA. But Minnesota they got to you pay,
Speaker 4: you pay double for your turnover as well, a double
Speaker 4: for your turnover, especially in the game like this when
Speaker 4: you have a team when the actually can go off.
Speaker 4: Even though they kind of smothered him in the first
Speaker 4: half and didn't he didn't really get going. He had
Speaker 4: thirty one, but hell, it took him two hundred shot
Speaker 4: just to get a thirty one. But they got a
Speaker 4: turnovers on the offense and capitalize on on a on
Speaker 4: a on the board as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had seventeen turnovers, but three of them came
Speaker 2: from uh but twelve of them came from three players.
Speaker 2: Jue Ramdall had five McDaniels had three and ad Man
Speaker 2: had four. Now I'm not really concerned because like Julius,
Speaker 2: raandlerd and and and and gonna have turnos because they
Speaker 2: handled the ball. They're your primary ball handlers. So they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Probably be three, probably four game.
Speaker 2: They would be nice if they kemp it the three
Speaker 2: are under, that would be nice. But they're really not
Speaker 2: true point guards, and so they're gonna have They're gonna
Speaker 2: have turnover. Did you gonna get a cup of charging?
Speaker 1: Uh? He gonna get it.
Speaker 2: He gonna get a walk because you go, he forget
Speaker 2: that it's right for them to pivot, and he gonna
Speaker 2: pivot back to the left and then he's gonna try
Speaker 2: to dip up under you and gonna and he's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got you, bro. But Ni, you said something very interesting.
Speaker 2: You said they need to play faster. They need to
Speaker 2: play fast, but they don't need to be in a
Speaker 2: hurry because if you play in a hurry, you're gonna
Speaker 2: play right in the Okay, see hands, And now they're
Speaker 2: getting the ball out. And like you said, when they
Speaker 2: turned the ball over, you gotta realize you got three
Speaker 2: guys at the top. You turned it over. They gone
Speaker 2: the baby big. That's not Hartenstein, that's not chat hungery.
Speaker 2: You got three guards at the top, you turn it over,
Speaker 2: they get a deflection and two three dribbles at.
Speaker 3: The rem easy basket. Easy basket, easy basket. I thought,
Speaker 3: I thought, like you said, I thought they played. They
Speaker 3: played right into okay see hand. This game was very big.
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, we might have a game because I
Speaker 2: was hoping after Game seven there used to be oh
Speaker 2: game seven, game seven man Game seven has been being
Speaker 2: blowouts lately, So that being said, now let's go back
Speaker 2: there originally scheduled programming. I thought we were gonna have
Speaker 2: a really good game, Nick, I really did. At the half,
Speaker 2: they were playing really well.
Speaker 1: And then with like.
Speaker 2: Four minutes into the third quarter, okay See stepped on
Speaker 2: the gas and what was a four point lead for
Speaker 2: Minnesota all all of a sudden turned into a three
Speaker 2: point lead for okay See, a seven point lead.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, it's twelve. Yeah. Yeah. I saw
Speaker 1: a quick adjustment though in the second half, from the
Speaker 1: first half, and that was from Okac's offense. They moved
Speaker 1: the ball at a different position as to start.
Speaker 3: So the whole game Minnesota's offense started out so high
Speaker 3: out on the court and they never adjusted. Okay, see
Speaker 3: was pretty much playing the same way in the first half,
Speaker 3: but the coach coach went in made some adjustments, started
Speaker 3: the offense a little bit, you know, from the top
Speaker 3: to the corner, then back up to the top, and
Speaker 3: they created a little bit more space. Then guys, once
Speaker 3: you get that space, man be able to knock down
Speaker 3: the open shots. And Minnesota they never had space all night.
Speaker 3: It was always clogged up.
Speaker 2: For those guys, they're gonna get first, They're gonna contest
Speaker 2: everything because they got because at worst case scenario, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have three defenders on the court. I didn't even
Speaker 2: mention Caruso, who might be arguing that they're best defender.
Speaker 2: When you look at him and what he does as
Speaker 2: far as taking charges, as far as guarding the perimeter,
Speaker 2: guard the big it does not matter. We saw what
Speaker 2: the number, what he did with Yolk. They played the
Speaker 2: old boxing one.
Speaker 1: Nick.
Speaker 2: I can't remember where the last time you saw boxing
Speaker 2: one had to be high school. But they played a
Speaker 2: boxing one primarily the entire game, and he did an
Speaker 2: unbelievable job. Yo would feel for him on his left
Speaker 2: for the next day. You know, he's already in front
Speaker 2: of him, gone to the right. He feel touch him
Speaker 2: on the right. Now he's back to the left. He
Speaker 2: did a great job of that. And so when you
Speaker 2: look at what OKC has up there, twelve thirteen guys
Speaker 2: that primarily played sixth of them can defend at an
Speaker 2: extremely high level. You're not gonna find that anywhere else
Speaker 2: in the NBA. When you could come off the bench
Speaker 2: and you got four guys that can define at an
Speaker 2: elite level, and they can defend at the wing position,
Speaker 2: which very few teams have wing defenders. Everybody, I want
Speaker 2: a three and D guy. How many three and D
Speaker 2: guys they got? They got to Russo, they got Williams,
Speaker 2: they got Door, they got Wallace, they got Wiggams They
Speaker 2: I mean, they they're loaded at that that position. And
Speaker 2: you got two big guys that will protect the rim.
Speaker 2: They rebounded, understand their job to the pullets. Okay, C's
Speaker 2: gonna be a tough out and I agree with you, Nick,
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: Chris Fincher is very good. I think he's named coach
Speaker 2: of here. A couple of years back, he had to
Speaker 2: cook the.
Speaker 1: Year m.
Speaker 3: Oh ash as oh.
Speaker 1: Oh oh choe, you got a cigar ash on your face?
Speaker 1: I do yeah, your name Ojo.
Speaker 4: Right, Hey, hey, I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you
Speaker 4: could mess it damn makeup.
Speaker 1: I got on fency right now too. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is, but you need to get it off.
Speaker 1: But look I'm good now. Yes, So Nick, what the
Speaker 1: big adjustment?
Speaker 2: Even with that adjustment, do you think the Wolves have
Speaker 2: enough to deal with the with the thunder?
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a long series and I
Speaker 3: think they do. Like I said, I think they are
Speaker 3: going to make them adjustments. Chris Fencing and the coaching staff,
Speaker 3: they gonna go watch film and and and they're gonna
Speaker 3: see all the mistakes that they made offensively. And you know,
Speaker 3: you you made a good point about you know, Okc's
Speaker 3: perimeter defenders, they're wing defenders.
Speaker 1: And what makes them even better is their good team defenders. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes this guy's can be good on ball defenders and
Speaker 3: they can just stick to their man and not be
Speaker 3: in health position, not being big position.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Those guys not only do they defend the ball good,
Speaker 3: they defend the help side good and that makes them
Speaker 3: makes it even tougher to to go against them guys.
Speaker 3: But oh, Minnesota, they have enough. They have enough to
Speaker 3: make it an even series. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: too much worried about that game one because Game one
Speaker 3: is like O Joe said, Earl, it's a fill out,
Speaker 3: you know. So now they got to go and make
Speaker 3: their adjustments. I think this series is gonna go a
Speaker 3: long way. So buckle up.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, because the Thunder just got out of
Speaker 2: an extended series, seven long games, short death rest. Minnesota,
Speaker 2: they've been resting, they've been off damn near week. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, they're about to come in and run
Speaker 2: up and down the court. But it looked like that,
Speaker 2: it would look like it was reversed. Those guys were
Speaker 2: the guys that had heavy legs, and okay, C was
Speaker 2: getting up and down the court.
Speaker 3: You know, I never figured that out because that's always
Speaker 3: been a thing. Right, they'd be like, well, they got rest,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be well rested. Well sometimes, motherfucker, you too,
Speaker 3: tied and that the other team that just came out
Speaker 3: that game said, and guess what they in the flock.
Speaker 1: Right can work against? So who knows how it really works,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And uh, tonight, I was expecting, okay see to come
Speaker 3: out the way they did slow. They came off real slow.
Speaker 3: But they did that because Minnesota didn't do anything. So
Speaker 3: as they came off slow, you know, at some point, okay,
Speaker 3: s was gonna pick it up. I was just like, damn,
Speaker 3: okay See fans they sitting on their hands right now.
Speaker 1: Minnesota got to take advantage of that, and they, yes,
Speaker 1: they never did. But hold on, Nick, you say, you
Speaker 1: say the game going going seven? Right? I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a long series.
Speaker 4: Oho, It's gonna be a long serious But I want
Speaker 4: to know who you got like Minnesota that I like
Speaker 4: Minnesota like it was okay, okay, okay, you you know,
Speaker 4: you know your business, You know your business.
Speaker 1: I like Minnesota.
Speaker 3: But but I'm gonna tell you this though, So all
Speaker 3: four of these teams that's in the playoffs, Man, anybody
Speaker 3: can win it. Anybody can win the championship. That's that's
Speaker 3: the beauty of this one. So it ain't like there's
Speaker 3: no clear cut faded you know, any other team you
Speaker 3: get the Lakers favorite of Boston favorite, this you got
Speaker 3: fotis in this thing right now that they often win it.
Speaker 2: So I like that, Nick, you had a story. We
Speaker 2: was talking to our camera. You said you got a
Speaker 2: story to tell. You wanted to tell the story. What's
Speaker 2: the story?
Speaker 3: Both of y'all man, both of y'all played me like
Speaker 3: I was a little peon man who show a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago. Oh Joe, I don't walk up through
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati airport. You got your shades on you. You
Speaker 3: probably couldn't see you know what I'm saying, And you
Speaker 3: walking so goddamn fast.
Speaker 1: I'm been like, what up? Oh Joe, you had me.
Speaker 3: With and you walking, so I'm looking behind him like damn,
Speaker 3: it's Ray Lewis chasing you. Was su And then you
Speaker 3: had to call the saying now it was he just
Speaker 3: walked through these Yeah, yeah that was me.
Speaker 1: I said, I just walked right by.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh okay, And I know I probably said,
Speaker 4: oh I ain't No, I was probably lake from a flight.
Speaker 1: See that's a funny about though. Man. That's good stuff.
Speaker 1: What you man? You go away back? You treated me.
Speaker 1: I got like, god, you long.
Speaker 4: But one you got to understand, Nick, you said, I
Speaker 4: have my sunglasses on right. Then you said I was
Speaker 4: walking fast. So if I got my sunglasses on and
Speaker 4: I'm walking fast, that means I'm late for a goddamn
Speaker 4: spirit fly.
Speaker 3: You see all you're doing me on, I saw that.
Speaker 3: But you did.
Speaker 1: You did in girty too. Where we did.
Speaker 3: We was in Vegas at eight at the Cedar Bar.
Speaker 3: That is right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is Hey, Hey,
Speaker 3: I got I got my drink, my new drink. It
Speaker 3: just came out right about three, Yes, yeah, I got
Speaker 3: I'm a new drink. I'm gonna run up to the room.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna grab a couple of bollers, I said, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: So were sitting over there smoking. You walk in. You
Speaker 3: have about three bottles with you. You you're in the
Speaker 3: be out cleaning room of course, you know, yeah, bought
Speaker 3: have been twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: you can, twenty twenty two. Yeah, you came down at
Speaker 3: about three, four bottles. I'm sitting there with my guys,
Speaker 3: you know, were sitting there smoking. You came in with
Speaker 3: the bottles. You look dad, and then when straight to
Speaker 3: the room, I'm like, damn, well, maybe he's gonna come
Speaker 3: out and crant in a little glass or something.
Speaker 1: Till about five minutes go by. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I go up to the door, the goddamn dog line.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I knocked on the door, then gonna brower
Speaker 3: security guard. Hey, I'm trying to get a little bit
Speaker 3: of that joint. He's like, nah, I ain't, ain't having
Speaker 3: no guests and.
Speaker 1: Closed the dope. Oh he closed the door, closed the door.
Speaker 1: That's on me.
Speaker 2: But you know what we're gonna do that I'm won't
Speaker 2: get I won't get you a couple of bottles. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get your information and I'm gonna get you a
Speaker 2: couple of bottles to make sure you know what the
Speaker 2: best testing, the best tasting vessel pe Konjact on the market.
Speaker 2: Let you see what it tastes like and you can
Speaker 2: judge it for yourself.
Speaker 1: But that's on me. That's on me. See that. See
Speaker 1: that was bad. That was bad. That was nick I
Speaker 1: I apologize I had I just said I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: it from Conjact. Damn. But he told me about I
Speaker 1: walked by him in the airport. At least I was.
Speaker 4: I was going to a flight and I was late,
Speaker 4: and I ain't realized it was him, because you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like six five, so I ain't seen that. That's
Speaker 4: that's the difference. So you did him real dirty because
Speaker 4: you had security.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even got security.
Speaker 2: Half the cigar eight cigar eight half security.
Speaker 1: I ain't have no damn security. When you have seen Nick,
Speaker 1: they closed the dog. Well, man, he cracked the dog.
Speaker 3: I said, I'm trying to be a little right, Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: God damn yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, oh Joe Day, you didn't have me. I
Speaker 1: couldn't get in there for a minute.
Speaker 4: I said, Man, you don't they Hey, Nick, you know
Speaker 4: how it be when they get when they Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Now they reached. Now that was that was all that
Speaker 3: was under That was undiscwed it up. That was undersecwed
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 1: Man. He checked it out for the first time twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty twenty one season, the Boston Celtics will
Speaker 2: not be in the Eastern Conference Finals. During a recent
Speaker 2: conversation with Steve Nash on Mind the Game podcast, Lebron
Speaker 2: said he thinks the Celtics got bored. It seems like
Speaker 2: sometimes it seemed like they got bored sometimes with the
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to save the process.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, ish they are who they are.
Speaker 2: When you look at Tatum and you look at Brown,
Speaker 2: this is the year year to year, and they punched
Speaker 2: their ten thousand dollars. But sometimes it seems like they
Speaker 2: got a little bored because of how great they are.
Speaker 2: Not only do those two individuals, but as a team.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it looked like they got bored. How you get bored?
Speaker 2: They won one championship. I can see if they wont
Speaker 2: like three.
Speaker 1: They went back to back like Shaq, like Shaq and
Speaker 1: Kobe Lakers, or like.
Speaker 2: The the Bulls in the nineties, or let's just say,
Speaker 2: let's just say, for the sake of arment Nick, they
Speaker 2: were like the Cavaliers.
Speaker 1: Eight straight finals, six straight finals. How did y'all you
Speaker 1: get bored?
Speaker 3: You won one championship. I don't think they got bored.
Speaker 3: I just think I think they got the ass whip.
Speaker 3: I think they lost. Like I mean, you look at
Speaker 3: the first two games they ever dub they are twenty. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: you ain't getting bored. You got bored with the game
Speaker 3: and you started you kept taking them badass threes as
Speaker 3: opposed to yees, touching the paint and taking threes you
Speaker 3: wanna do you want to take step back threes with
Speaker 3: with the defense guard and you contest and then you
Speaker 3: got the other four guys inside ready to rebound.
Speaker 1: In New York, you played right into their hands.
Speaker 3: They they got an assassin, you know, Jalen Bernson, fourth
Speaker 3: quarter of Assassin. So they I don't think they was
Speaker 3: bored with the with the series, or or they couldn't
Speaker 3: have been bord winning like you said. I just think
Speaker 3: they got bored during those two games. But at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, they are a dub in games
Speaker 3: one and two.
Speaker 4: Hey, nick, I asked on two, I talked uncle and
Speaker 4: Ice old Joe, and I was saying, listen, everything they
Speaker 4: do is one dimensional.
Speaker 1: Why not run plays? Why not do something else?
Speaker 4: And listen they say they live, they live, and they
Speaker 4: died by the three God, that's not that's how they
Speaker 4: gonna be.
Speaker 2: Die because, oh Joe, because if you look at it,
Speaker 2: the Kniggs want to play all the Knicks saying, let
Speaker 2: us get to the last five minutes of the game.
Speaker 2: We believe with Brunson, who we believe is the best
Speaker 2: clutch player in the NBA, we believe if we can
Speaker 2: get you to the last five minutes of the ball game,
Speaker 2: and the game is close, we can beat you. You
Speaker 2: see the problem the Celtics have. Once those threes got
Speaker 2: don't start falling, It's hard for them to get into
Speaker 2: a set in the last five minutes of the game
Speaker 2: because they really haven't run a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 1: To begin with. It's three to eight, JB, is your
Speaker 1: turn to take two? Three threes in the row? Down?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: JT you up next? Okay, Derrick White? What you got
Speaker 2: for us? Al Horford? And the thing is, it's hard
Speaker 2: when you really haven't run a whole lot of offense.
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, O Joe, it's like you, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: let me touch the ball early now, Joe, Dame came
Speaker 2: to you the whole game, four court, don't Joe what
Speaker 2: you like? I like for the game to be over
Speaker 2: because y'all been digging around the whole day and now
Speaker 2: y'all want we to work magic. Well, that's the Celtics.
Speaker 2: Y'all been dealing down around. Y'all taking fifty sixty threes
Speaker 2: now in the last two three minutes of the ball game,
Speaker 2: and you need the runner set.
Speaker 1: You're not conditioning, you're not wired to run.
Speaker 2: They say, you still want to run behind that three
Speaker 2: point line in jack upper shot, and it caught up with.
Speaker 1: Them, Big facts, big facts.
Speaker 3: I was saying that throughout, you know, this season, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's cute.
Speaker 1: In the regular season, you can get away with it.
Speaker 1: It's cute.
Speaker 3: But Ocho just said, as you go deeper in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: the teams get better. You know, you're saying, if they
Speaker 3: in the first round, they go up twenty, they may
Speaker 3: and they go down ten or whatever. They probably didn't
Speaker 3: come back and still win that game. But when they
Speaker 3: play against the Knicks, a team that's a grind nick,
Speaker 3: greedy team, it's gonna be a little bit tougher.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to You're gonna have to change the
Speaker 1: way they think. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is, like you said, oh they
Speaker 2: took the most threes, they made the most threes. Okay,
Speaker 2: Like you said, Okay, you playing Orlando one night, you
Speaker 2: at Miami the next night, do you come up to
Speaker 2: the East coast? Trip you got Charlotte Atlanta. Now we're
Speaker 2: in a seven game series, got two games here. You
Speaker 2: ain't ain't nobody going nowhere. We locked in, We know
Speaker 2: what you do. You know what we do. Okay, execute
Speaker 2: It comes down to execute it. I honestly I hate
Speaker 2: watching the Celtics play because all I know is they're gonna
Speaker 2: jack up a whole bunch of bad ass threes now
Speaker 2: if they go in, Oh, the Celtics, that's the new era,
Speaker 2: that's the new wave. Okay, y'all keep on thinking of y'all,
Speaker 2: Stephen Clay and you see it to get you.
Speaker 3: Even in Game four in New York, you know, before
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum went down, game they lost.
Speaker 1: They was gonna lose, yes down, they was already down
Speaker 1: five or six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know in a close and we know
Speaker 2: in a close ball game against the Knicks the reason
Speaker 2: why they blew out the They blew out the Knicks
Speaker 2: in Game three, but in game four, and we had
Speaker 2: already saw the blueprint because they had that big leading
Speaker 2: Game four.
Speaker 1: We saw them have the big leading leading game one
Speaker 1: and two.
Speaker 2: And what happened slow walk them down still, because here's
Speaker 2: the thing, that three point shoting is a blessing and
Speaker 2: a curse because you can get a big lead.
Speaker 1: Nick, you know, when you first.
Speaker 2: Got your lead, teams got twenty twenty twenty five point leads.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no coming back. You might get one to
Speaker 1: two comebacks a year.
Speaker 2: Now with the three point shot, you go cold, and
Speaker 2: that you up twenty. You go cold from the three,
Speaker 2: and you take a couple of bad threes. Now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden they hit three in the row, get
Speaker 2: an a one and a layup. Now twenty point leaders
Speaker 2: down to six.
Speaker 1: Easy.
Speaker 2: Now you're looking like, damn, what happened. What happened is
Speaker 2: that you kept taking bad shots. You didn't run anytime,
Speaker 2: and you taking threes early in the shot clock, sixteen
Speaker 2: seconds on the clock, and you letting the three go.
Speaker 2: You get I saw them get a situation, Nick, They
Speaker 2: shot a three, they missed it, got the rebound, kicked
Speaker 2: it out again, got the rebound again, he said, night,
Speaker 2: passed it to the corner al shot, It got to
Speaker 2: rebound again. I said, well, damn, somebody gonna like say, oh, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: let's slow this thing down. Let's get a good shot. Eight,
Speaker 2: let's hey, one for a flat, Let's what hey, let's
Speaker 2: run a pick and roll.
Speaker 3: Let me let let me see that for him again.
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's all that's.
Speaker 1: Hey, Nick.
Speaker 2: Now we look we pulled up to Georgia High Schools Association.
Speaker 2: I'm one of the few guys that's ever scored fifty
Speaker 2: points in the ball game.
Speaker 1: I ain't telling you what. I have a triple double
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 2: I can show you the clips shot the sharp lest
Speaker 2: Glenville High to a thirty one points nineteen rebound till
Speaker 2: fifty two points, thirty seven thirty six.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you this so so your
Speaker 3: your co host, right, he'd be.
Speaker 1: Doing a lot of like he did. Who who y'all
Speaker 1: team one on one? Who? I need to better on? Man?
Speaker 4: We got NBA players can't even beat me playing you
Speaker 4: talking about me playing hu? Man, tighten up, Man, tighten up.
Speaker 4: This is what I do, nig I asked you to
Speaker 4: play me. What's the first thing you said? Oh nah,
Speaker 4: I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good. What we talking about?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: That's like me asking you like this is wrun some rounds. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna check you like more. Man, i't it's more
Speaker 3: time on you. Man, I may get hurt.
Speaker 1: Man. I ain't have time for that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to me.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get hurt anywhere her anyway doing anything with
Speaker 4: me competitive This is what I do. Like, I'm a
Speaker 4: better basketball player and football player. I just I just
Speaker 4: happened to take the ride of football.
Speaker 2: That's all that's I was a better back. I was
Speaker 2: a better basketball player than football. There you go, Hey, I.
Speaker 4: Was Nick in high school. In high school, right, you
Speaker 4: know I went to I went to Miami Beast. Right, listen,
Speaker 4: every time we played Nick, I was fifty six, twelve
Speaker 4: and ten.
Speaker 1: A bad night for me was probably forty eight.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, if you if you say quick man,
Speaker 3: you know what I was like, thirty two, nine and eight.
Speaker 1: That's more of evil. Fifty six. The grapes in the
Speaker 1: NBA ain't can do that in high school. Man, like
Speaker 1: you saying some crazy numbers, numbers.
Speaker 4: You about the greats the grace. But they wasn't me
Speaker 4: in high school. That's what did that tell you? They
Speaker 4: wasn't men.
Speaker 3: Probably everybody you probably came off the bench, who came
Speaker 3: off the bench you, I mean, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: teams in the NBA right now.
Speaker 1: Can use me coming off the bench. No, anybody can
Speaker 1: use you.
Speaker 2: Cold up the bitch, you crazy here man, comet off
Speaker 2: the bitch and get them towels and get their jacket.
Speaker 2: Make sure their jacket turned right side out. They don't
Speaker 2: need you for anything. They don't need you for anything else.
Speaker 1: Blame me, Nick, Blame me one on one. Blame me
Speaker 1: one on one. I got it.
Speaker 3: So the last time I was right, and last time
Speaker 3: on hoop, I was coaching with the Atlanta Hawks, and
Speaker 3: I hadn't hooped in years, man. And the only reason
Speaker 3: I said I ain't hooping no more because I didn't
Speaker 3: want to have no more on knee service.
Speaker 1: So so oh yours.
Speaker 3: So the damn so, the damn assistant coaches and you know,
Speaker 3: managing and ship.
Speaker 1: They they just chirping all year.
Speaker 3: They chirped around December twenty one, December twenty two, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know what, we're fineling. We're finish hoope today. So
Speaker 3: I went out there and hoped. Man, next thing, you know,
Speaker 3: I told my quad and hey, yeah, And I did
Speaker 3: it on the simplest move that you can ever think.
Speaker 1: Of, just snap. I was like, oh man, I'm done.
Speaker 1: I ain't et them. Yeah that's playing ball again, now, ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't a horse type. I need to be moving,
Speaker 1: I need to be active.
Speaker 2: He nick them muscles and tendons. They don't have the
Speaker 2: elasticity they once had.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, they.
Speaker 2: I ain't getting out there anyway because I already got
Speaker 2: both here for replaced, and I ain't trying to get
Speaker 2: nothing else replaced.
Speaker 1: No sub no sub.
Speaker 3: Man. You played our sports hard. Yeah, so we have
Speaker 3: surge reasons we beat We beat up to leg playing
Speaker 3: they heal the still run on tracks and all that shit. Yes,
Speaker 3: y'all doing that. You know what y'all got hurt.
Speaker 4: Y'all know y'all got hurt because your bones weak, because
Speaker 4: your nutrition was bad.
Speaker 1: That's the point of McDonald's. Yeah, you ain't never been
Speaker 1: a callus in your body eating all that healthy ship.
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
Speaker 2: I I did ain't healthy, not not the first three years,
Speaker 2: but the last the last eleven years. Yes see, that's
Speaker 2: the problem. The last eleven years is why you need
Speaker 2: hip surgery.
Speaker 1: First of all, I played longer than you did. I played.
Speaker 1: Let me is how long you played? Fourteen? Well? Hold on,
Speaker 1: I play actually thirteen because I played in Mexico and
Speaker 1: I played in fourteen. See you still they played fourteen? Well,
Speaker 1: I played flag football and you only played one year
Speaker 1: of college. You's ineligible for two years.
Speaker 3: Shit, I was a knucklehead made. Oh you got one
Speaker 3: year juco. You got one year juco in one year
Speaker 3: of August. I got two years of you got two years.
Speaker 1: You got to count? Link got a count, links got
Speaker 1: kicked out. I know, but still count. Don't count. You
Speaker 1: didn't play. It's still count.
Speaker 3: There ain't only count count something when you didn't do it.
Speaker 3: I'm in the yearbook, but you didn't play.
Speaker 1: I can't say I joined the Army just because I
Speaker 1: went down to take the recruiting tests. No, I got
Speaker 1: to be in the army. You can't. They give you
Speaker 1: a shirt. If you get your shirt, I mean use
Speaker 1: a part. I ain't give me no shirt. I will.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go down to the office. I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't, I ain't nothing, sign nothing. Check this out.
Speaker 1: Let me know what you think about this. Uh uh.
Speaker 2: Nick d Wade was not impressed by Jimmy Butler's performance
Speaker 2: against the timber Woods. I think the thing with Jimmy
Speaker 2: is I didn't like the way he approached the game.
Speaker 2: I know, jim is it past first guy. I know
Speaker 2: he's about getting his teammate the bar and I want
Speaker 2: to see them shine. But it's a point where you're
Speaker 2: getting sixty million. This ain't working. You gotta go, and
Speaker 2: he won't look at the basket. I've seen this before,
Speaker 2: and I've seen it in a heat jersey. Jimmy's too
Speaker 2: good of a basketball player to not have his imprint
Speaker 2: on the game. And sorry, sir, when it's time for
Speaker 2: you to take over, you just have to. And even
Speaker 2: if you can't do it, from the standpoint of you,
Speaker 2: you ain't making no shots. I don't care. Shoot bad offense.
Speaker 2: If you're not shooting good to close at the paint,
Speaker 2: but not getting the ball up to the basket, that's
Speaker 2: just bad offense. What do you think about d Wade
Speaker 2: saying about what he saw from Jimmy Butler and the
Speaker 2: Warriors uniform minus Steph Is there any cred as to
Speaker 2: what d Wade is saying.
Speaker 3: I agree one thousand percent, and the reason is because
Speaker 3: I've seen them do it too much.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Because yep.
Speaker 3: I think Jenny is a guy, and Jenny wanted to
Speaker 3: He can be up there as a scoring leader in
Speaker 3: the NBA for a season if he wanted to.
Speaker 1: But he has the mindset of he's not in the kill.
Speaker 3: Mold all the time, and what d Wade and what
Speaker 3: pat Riley was saying, you know, for Jimmy is like,
Speaker 3: we're paying.
Speaker 1: You that money to be that guy, to be twenty
Speaker 1: five twenty seven a night, not.
Speaker 3: Just in the playoffs, because if you don't want to
Speaker 3: do it in the regular season, we're in the playing games. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we got Jimmy Butler, you know, making his bread. He
Speaker 3: deserves it to them the two finals. He deserves the bread.
Speaker 3: But as a franchise, we see you as being a
Speaker 3: guy who is the guy and we need you to
Speaker 3: do that. And I've been saying that for years about Jimmy,
Speaker 3: and I think he's a hell of a player, you know,
Speaker 3: and you Donnas said it best, and.
Speaker 1: He's a smart player.
Speaker 3: Because what Jimmy did, and I've played against him, is
Speaker 3: when I was coaching with the Hawks in the playoffs, Man,
Speaker 3: this dude wasn't doing nothing but taking the ball to
Speaker 3: the basket and making the layups. And to me, if
Speaker 3: you're able to do that, it's some form of intimidation
Speaker 3: from the other side to where they keep letting you
Speaker 3: get to the goddamn basket and shoot fucking layups, like
Speaker 3: you got to put a body on somebody at some point.
Speaker 3: But he lived in the paint and was just finishing.
Speaker 3: And I think Jimmy, if he wanted to, he can
Speaker 3: do that every night, if he wanted to. So I
Speaker 3: agree with what d Wade said. Well, you know I
Speaker 3: love Jimmy's game.
Speaker 1: Because you look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in the playing or we're the or we'll succeeed,
Speaker 2: or we're way down and now we're trying to play ketchup.
Speaker 2: We never have home court. And like you said, and
Speaker 2: we've seen him do it. We see him go on
Speaker 2: the road and do what they did to the Celtics.
Speaker 2: We saw what they did to a Billy Milwaukee. We
Speaker 2: know what he's capable of doing. But at this point
Speaker 2: in time, when we playing U sixty million, we don't
Speaker 2: want Magic Johnson. We don't want John Stockton, we won't Michael,
Speaker 2: we won't. We want guys that's go with Kobe. We
Speaker 2: want you to have that mentality. Damn the rest up
Speaker 2: because the rest of them can't make enough shots in
Speaker 2: order to win the game. Their in print is not
Speaker 2: gonna win you the game. And plus they're not the
Speaker 2: guys making sixty million. We playing U sixty million.
Speaker 4: Hey, Nick, is there at any point at a player
Speaker 4: with Jimmy of Jimmy's caliber. Well, when you're making that
Speaker 4: kind of money and we know what you can do
Speaker 4: and you're not doing it, do you think injury comes
Speaker 4: into play where you become gunshy and don't want to
Speaker 4: pull a trigger and shooting because if you do lose
Speaker 4: a game, it got the onus of it and lo
Speaker 4: losing is because of you and you lose a little
Speaker 4: bit of confidence.
Speaker 3: I won't think so, man, because because Jimmy, I've seen
Speaker 3: them plays like that and then come right back and
Speaker 3: do his thing. It's it's like when step went down,
Speaker 3: he had a big game in Golden State. Yeah they
Speaker 3: needed him, so he he He's very capable of doing it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a mental thing, like you know,
Speaker 3: I don't. I just don't want to go out here
Speaker 3: and shoot twenty shots. I don't want to feel like
Speaker 3: I'm a ball hall whatever it is. But if I
Speaker 3: know Jimmy Butler's team and I'm the point guard, hey dog,
Speaker 3: you gotta shoot that thing about twenty five times tonight.
Speaker 2: You got Yes, they got to you. Notice we don't
Speaker 2: never say that about Shae. We don't never say it.
Speaker 2: What Shae man wasn't aggressive, but though man, she ain't
Speaker 2: get enough shots up. Shae gonna be in the twenties. Hell,
Speaker 2: he might be in the thirties. And that's the that's
Speaker 2: the approach Jimmy needs to take. We saw Jimmy. What
Speaker 2: was that game against Milwaukee? He had like fifty six
Speaker 2: fifty seven. He couldn't miss, super aggressive. We watched him
Speaker 2: in the in game five? Was the game five?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Game five?
Speaker 2: We watched him in game five. He goes toe to
Speaker 2: toe with Lebron everything Lebron. Lebron had a triple double.
Speaker 2: You saw that one where he's leading on the table.
Speaker 2: He's exhausted, but.
Speaker 1: He getting into it. He ain't passing ish, He's shooting
Speaker 1: the basketball. He getting in the paint. He drawing fout. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, why I'm cool being Robin?
Speaker 4: Nah?
Speaker 2: Bro Robin He Robbie didn't have no Robbie didn't have
Speaker 2: nothing but suit. He ain't have no robbin where's Robin belt?
Speaker 2: Robert ain't got no car, he ain't got no no
Speaker 2: Robbin mobile, he ain't got no butler. Nah, hell nah,
Speaker 2: we need you to be Batman because Superman is out,
Speaker 2: so you need to step up. Ain't no more bad,
Speaker 2: Ain't no more Robin. Robin a little things on his
Speaker 2: eyes though, right when the last time you saw them
Speaker 2: making series about Robin. I see all these Batman and
Speaker 2: ain't not one of them. All the Batman that are made,
Speaker 2: ain't none of them had no Robbin in it.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he out for them?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 2: Hell nah, he need to be super Steph Curry Superman.
Speaker 2: We need another superhero. What the comic book with Ron?
Speaker 1: We need it.
Speaker 3: I ain't never seen no coming book with Robin. You
Speaker 3: see the coming book with just Robin, especially when Steph
Speaker 3: was out.
Speaker 1: Man out. Okay, we winn He got you.
Speaker 3: If step for fifteen or twenty games next year and
Speaker 3: you're healthy, this is why we got you so we
Speaker 3: can stay in that three to sixth spot.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. This is why we got
Speaker 1: you so we can stay right there. We don't.
Speaker 3: We didn't get you for if Steph goes out, now
Speaker 3: we're gonna slid to the ninth and tiph spot, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So in order for to stay
Speaker 3: at the three sixth spot or win playoff games without
Speaker 3: Steph he gotta be Batman.
Speaker 2: Gotta be he's got to be the super He has
Speaker 2: to take the same approach. I mean, look, we I
Speaker 2: understand that his role, his role somewhat changes on the
Speaker 2: team with Steph, but I gotta have that mind I
Speaker 2: gotta have that that same mindset.
Speaker 1: At that day. I need to get a roll.
Speaker 3: Don't change, you know what I'm saying, Cause Steph is
Speaker 3: gonna be step right and Stephan is gonna need you
Speaker 3: to take that load off. So it's okay, shot fifteen
Speaker 3: and you still shoot twenty with Seth. You you don't
Speaker 3: take as Jimmy Butler, he don't take bad shots, So
Speaker 3: you still can get up twenty shots. And we as
Speaker 3: a team were gonna live with that because we know
Speaker 3: they're not gonna be crazy shots. You know what, I'm right,
Speaker 3: And so even as Stephan's there, you still can do
Speaker 3: your thing.
Speaker 2: Because we look at our game, Bond your membery at
Speaker 2: the game, Jimmy took nine shots. Jimmy had another game
Speaker 2: he took eleven shots.
Speaker 1: What the hell is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, off the bitch. You got a pods. He's
Speaker 2: getting up eighteen nineteen shots and you've been a commando
Speaker 2: getting up twenty shots, and you've been to tell me
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be the guy you making sixty million,
Speaker 2: and you getting the ball up nine times, and you
Speaker 2: know you're not getting to the free throw line. So
Speaker 2: at least, okay, you will take nine shots, Okay, get
Speaker 2: to the free throw line twenty times. Get to the
Speaker 2: free throw line fifteen seventeen times, Okay, I can understand, now.
Speaker 1: Shots. You see what a shade?
Speaker 2: Shaye got up twenty seven shots and still got to
Speaker 2: the fire line fourteen times.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 4: You know what else Nick, you know about about Jimmy?
Speaker 4: He gonna take bad shots. He don't take that vast shots.
Speaker 4: He's gonna always He's gonna always either facilitate to somebody
Speaker 4: else or take the right shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Always, He's always been that way. Now, when he put
Speaker 4: that motherfucker on the floor, oh my bad. Well, he
Speaker 4: put the ball on the floor and he wanted to
Speaker 4: put his head down and go to the basket. He
Speaker 4: gonna do just that no matter who it is.
Speaker 1: Just not shooting. That's why I think he was injured.
Speaker 1: I think he was injured and he just didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 3: Everybody injured right now, exactly everybody. Everybody don't played the
Speaker 3: ass load of games. Oh, Joe, you figure they got
Speaker 3: eighty two. They don't play They was in the play
Speaker 3: in tournament. Uh, the Warriors were they got playing the
Speaker 3: first ride it with seven games. Yeah, everybody exhausted.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: During Sunday's Game seven between the Thunder and the Nuggets,
Speaker 2: Trey Young took the X with his subtle jabbed Knicks
Speaker 2: fans hot take but not ok see fans A loud
Speaker 2: of the Knick fans happy Sunday, Nick, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you played in that arena, they might have shut
Speaker 2: that down by the time.
Speaker 1: By the time, by the time you got you might
Speaker 1: have played there.
Speaker 3: And is it you think I ain't that old man?
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on? First of all, that arena, man, damn,
Speaker 3: you came in. You came in a couple of years
Speaker 3: after me, Nick six, man, they came I got two
Speaker 3: years in that arena. Chris Paul was over there. He
Speaker 3: crossed me up about five times in one player.
Speaker 1: He was over there. Hollow home. No, Nick, they couldn't
Speaker 1: have been there because that ain't moving until way.
Speaker 3: They had they had the Hornets. Remember the New Orleans
Speaker 3: or somebody going over there they had to take.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, that might have been a situation now,
Speaker 2: but they played the same well they played in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: You talking about with.
Speaker 2: Katrina they playing Okay, see, it might have did, but
Speaker 2: I know the supersided I don't think the supersideds moved
Speaker 2: to Kd's second year.
Speaker 1: KD came in in eight, and I think they moved
Speaker 1: in nine. Yeah, they moved in eight. Okay.
Speaker 2: Kt was drafted in O seven and then they moved
Speaker 2: in eight, which was Russy's rookie year, because Harden came
Speaker 2: in on nine. Okay, So how loud if? I mean,
Speaker 2: look you so, I know you played in the MSG
Speaker 2: and you played in a lot of arenas. It's okay,
Speaker 2: see the loudest, one of the loudest. Is there any
Speaker 2: truth to what Trey Young was saying. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: definitely one of the loudest. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: never played them in the playoffs. So that's that a
Speaker 2: bit okay different. Okay, when you talk about NBA arenas.
Speaker 3: Like that gives you a college fear, yes, And most
Speaker 3: of the time college arenas are more loud and more fronk.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, mohike, And okay, see gives
Speaker 3: you that that that college atmosphere and they get up
Speaker 3: and they cheer. They got their little chance and everything.
Speaker 3: So okay, see, definitely is is consistently loud. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. There's a lot of arenas where a
Speaker 3: team can stink and it ain't as loud. They only
Speaker 3: get loud when that team is winning. They got a
Speaker 3: good run. But okayc is consistently loud and.
Speaker 2: Plus like there's nothing else going on in ok see
Speaker 2: what you're gonna see in ok See? You ain't finishy. No,
Speaker 2: you're not finishing no NFL game. You're not finishing no
Speaker 2: NLB MLB game. You're not fintashy hockey. And it ain't
Speaker 2: football season. So you got a long wigh out time
Speaker 2: to wait to go see the old the Sooners or
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So now what so that all you got? And a
Speaker 1: lot of times it's kind of like Green Bay, what
Speaker 1: what you going to do? Hey, don't do that, won't
Speaker 1: do that? What else he gonna don't do that? I
Speaker 1: won't do that? La you know the Laker?
Speaker 2: Mean look you got I mean you got all everything
Speaker 2: going on. You got the Clippers. You know they ain't
Speaker 2: making no noise. You know they ain't doing nothing. But
Speaker 2: you got the Kings, you got, you got the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: I mean you got you know, you got Benn's beat,
Speaker 2: you got Sambo, you got, you got Malibu. Man, you
Speaker 2: got a respect and how and the people that buy
Speaker 2: the stuff, like it's not like like MSG. You look
Speaker 2: at those guys man, h h Tracy Uh, Tracy Morgan
Speaker 2: going crazy, Spike going crazy? Uh?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Was it Ben? Ben Steeler? Ben Steeler? You see those
Speaker 1: those slams are going crazy. Ain't like that. Ain't like that.
Speaker 1: L A.
Speaker 2: I come here, I get it. Crump, I get crumb,
Speaker 2: you know, I get I get crumped. They ain't get
Speaker 2: into the game halftime in the l A. Miami, How
Speaker 2: I said, Miami. You know they don't get that to
Speaker 2: the third quarter?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3: Wait, and don't be losing. They gonna leave. They're gonna
Speaker 3: leave early. Well you saw what happened when they when
Speaker 3: Ray hit that shot. Everybody tried to come back, try
Speaker 3: to come back to they all know, lock the door
Speaker 3: on people trying to get back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But when you when you when you think about it,
Speaker 2: so because you hear it, like, okay, role players play
Speaker 2: better at home. Uh, the crowd's gonna get you into it.
Speaker 2: How important is it to keep the crowd at bay
Speaker 2: when you're on the road in a playoff series?
Speaker 1: Nick, It's huge, It's huge.
Speaker 3: And I thought Minnesota did a great job in the
Speaker 3: first half because that's one of the things I was
Speaker 3: paying attention to, is they ain't letting the crowd affect
Speaker 3: the game. But you know, once that's that second half
Speaker 3: and they made that first runner, you, Curty North knew
Speaker 3: it was gonna be downhill, be just because of the offense.
Speaker 3: The offense was just so stagnant and we know, okay,
Speaker 3: see you know they get them steals and deflections and
Speaker 3: the easy, easy fast break points, get the crowd going,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough, man. So anytime you can keep
Speaker 3: the crowd chilling to where they now a factor, that's
Speaker 3: gonna be big for the road team.
Speaker 2: Shaq added fuel to the NBA draft lotted lottery conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: He shared the deep tails of a conversation between himself
Speaker 2: and then commissioner David Stern that occurred three months before
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety two drafts. Stern says to me, Hey,
Speaker 2: can't wait for you to come to the NBA. Then
Speaker 2: he pulled me off to the side. You want to
Speaker 2: play where's cold or where it's hot?
Speaker 1: He asked me that. Yeah, he did. He asked me that,
Speaker 1: and I was like hot. He smiled and I smiled.
Speaker 2: Shaq ultimately got his wish when Orlando won that year's lottery,
Speaker 2: with Charlotte and Minnesota getting the second and third picks, respectively.
Speaker 2: You hear a lot of conspiracy theories, and there are
Speaker 2: a lot of situations that can make these senses sound
Speaker 2: good and sound true. It's very interesting how it's all
Speaker 2: played out, Nick, is the NBA Draft lottery rig.
Speaker 3: So we just talked about this on my pod Quick
Speaker 3: to the Point, Nick, that's a part click to the point,
Speaker 3: check it out of you team. But we just talked
Speaker 3: about this because I thought in the past it seemed
Speaker 3: a little fishy, you know what I'm saying. But this one,
Speaker 3: this one, I can't say so because you want to
Speaker 3: help a situation to where you think that player is
Speaker 3: going to really elevate that sid right right, And to me,
Speaker 3: Cooper flatter he would have been perfect in Utah. You
Speaker 3: can't tell me no different. He would have been perfect
Speaker 3: in Utah and Dallas, they already got a championship team.
Speaker 3: They come back healthy. They by the time anyway, February
Speaker 3: come around and they are healthy, we're gonna be talking
Speaker 3: about Dallas as a championship contending team. So with them
Speaker 3: getting that number one pick, and you know, Cooper Flag
Speaker 3: of course, you know, being the number one pick that
Speaker 3: everybody says, Cooper Flag may not even come in and
Speaker 3: help them right away in the playoffs. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, that's a that's a real thing. He may
Speaker 3: not help them in the playoffs. And him going in Utah,
Speaker 3: in my eyes, was the ideal situation. So I can't
Speaker 3: see this from being a fix.
Speaker 1: That's just me. Nah, that's that's that's definitely a fix. Nick,
Speaker 1: That's definitely a fix.
Speaker 4: Got me, come on now, Just so just a coincidence
Speaker 4: they get rid of look right, and just so happened
Speaker 4: of all teams that in the larger to get the
Speaker 4: number one pick, it just so happened coincidentally it's Dallas.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, let me ask you this, it's so oddo.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Why But what's the point
Speaker 1: for the NBA to do that? Like, what's the point?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but never know what the point is.
Speaker 1: I mean me, I would never know what the point is.
Speaker 4: But obviously here with a Luca and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you have nothing left, you got you got ads, gonna
Speaker 4: be by yourself, Katie, I mean not Katie. Kyrie's coming
Speaker 4: back at some point when he gets a little better
Speaker 4: off as a c l Then there's there's nothing.
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing else. Yeah, there's you see. Everybody I'll
Speaker 1: talk to about it like they don't have a real
Speaker 1: like the reason for we don't know the reason. We
Speaker 1: don't know the reason for it.
Speaker 3: We just know it makes no sense and it's too
Speaker 3: And you don't say something like, well, they gave up
Speaker 3: Luca to the Lakers. Now the Lakers, we gave them
Speaker 3: another future player, you know, after Lebron Leeds, and now
Speaker 3: we're going to do this favor for you guys. I
Speaker 3: don't see that, you know what I'm saying, because they
Speaker 3: are already a championship team if they come back healthy.
Speaker 3: So that's that's just my thinking, like our thought before
Speaker 3: the David Robinson san Antonio, Yeah, Tim Duncan San Antonio.
Speaker 3: You know there's Cleveland Lebron Like I've thought some before,
Speaker 3: but this one you couldn't. You couldn't tell me that
Speaker 3: the number one picked one going to Utah and Cooper
Speaker 3: Flya's gonna be in Utah next year just because ye people.
Speaker 2: People feel the same thing with Zion Zion going to
Speaker 2: New Orleans the same year they lost a d Well.
Speaker 2: Everybody swore if they don't think anything else was rigged
Speaker 2: in eighty five, the first year they had the lottery
Speaker 2: and Patrick Ewing going to the Knicks, they swear that
Speaker 2: was red. Now now now see that album, you can
Speaker 2: you can say like New York, big media market, we
Speaker 2: need a big time player, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like they have a.
Speaker 3: Reason to say that for that one, right, ok ain't
Speaker 3: no reason? Yes, So I can't rolle with you, oh Joe.
Speaker 1: Now I know, I know you can't rolle with me.
Speaker 4: To me and just just you know, if if it's smoked,
Speaker 4: is a fire somewhere and when they when it comes
Speaker 4: to that one, I could be wrong, but it just
Speaker 4: is too close.
Speaker 1: It's too close, okay.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Kendrick Perkins called out Donovan Mitchell saying, Hey, Donovan and
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell led team has never been to the conference finals.
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell, you got a coach fire.
Speaker 1: You got JB. Bickerstaff fired. This is a fact. You
Speaker 1: had no communication with that man while he was there,
Speaker 1: so you didn't like him. Right. As soon as he
Speaker 1: got fired, you signed a contract extension, right, you extended
Speaker 1: with the Chaws. Nick.
Speaker 3: Is there any truth to what Big Perkins said? I
Speaker 3: think Big Perk, you know, is entitled to his opinion,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And uh, I'll say a
Speaker 3: little truth to that. But here's my thinking on that.
Speaker 3: When you get rid of JD.
Speaker 1: Bickerstaff, you substituted a defensive, gritty you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We gonna come at you kind of a coach, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That took Cleveland from where they were nothing and started
Speaker 3: building that thing up to Yes, they got an identity, right.
Speaker 1: And Kenny Akerson is a great coach. I worked with
Speaker 1: him in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: He's a great coach, great with the x's and o's.
Speaker 3: But he's more of an offensive minded coach, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's he's more of a he's more of a laid back.
Speaker 3: You can see his demeanor on the sideline. He's more
Speaker 3: of a laid back players kind of a coach. Well,
Speaker 3: James be gonna be gonna pay no hats in the meetings,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We're still gonna do defensive
Speaker 3: slides in practice, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he created an identity that to me, I think
Speaker 1: they lost.
Speaker 2: I think they won a more offense and they lost
Speaker 2: their grit, they griminess, and they lost to a team
Speaker 2: in Indiana who I thought was gonna beat him anyway
Speaker 2: because of the way they played. But Garland set out
Speaker 2: a game. Hunter sat out a game.
Speaker 3: Uh, the big guy set out a game like I
Speaker 3: don't think they sit out there those games if they
Speaker 3: got that greediness still in them with a coaching like that,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's some true to what purpose saying.
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna I'm not gonna come at my
Speaker 3: man like that, because I think he bought his butt up,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you need some help, you need some help.
Speaker 3: But I think they substituted offense for defense, and they
Speaker 3: lost a lot of that greetiness with with coach bigger
Speaker 3: staff left.
Speaker 2: But at some point in time, Domind's gonna have to
Speaker 2: get a team to the conference finals because he's had
Speaker 2: the better team on several occasions. You win sixty sixty
Speaker 2: four games this year and you get bounced in the
Speaker 2: second round, you lose, you lose three games at home.
Speaker 2: We saw in Utah he had great situations up oh two,
Speaker 2: I mean had a team down too old the Clippers.
Speaker 2: They lose. So at some point in time, if he's
Speaker 2: a superstar, that's what we do with superstars. We put
Speaker 2: that blame. When Kadie didn't get it done, we blame
Speaker 2: kd Well. Lebron didn't get it done, we blamed Lebron.
Speaker 2: If if Donovan Mitchell is a superstar, you can't win
Speaker 2: sixty four games and go home, lose three games and
Speaker 2: lose three games at home. Three, Yeah, that was tough.
Speaker 2: That was tough.
Speaker 3: And then the way they lost game two was you
Speaker 3: know one, once they lost game two, it was over.
Speaker 1: When we lost game two, yeah, that just broke their spirit.
Speaker 2: He is I mean, they had they had the game
Speaker 2: in hand in game one and they lost it.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, hey, one game. Hey, you go back,
Speaker 1: we win game two.
Speaker 2: Now we go to Indiana, we get game we backed
Speaker 2: all square, and like you said, when Halliburton hit that shot.
Speaker 1: But nah, all right, you know.
Speaker 3: We Halliburton he's from Wisconsin, right, top player from Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: That's that's what we do.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. Hit big shots. Oh Lord, there
Speaker 1: we go. That's what we do. Hold you where you from?
Speaker 1: What we do hit the big shots for whiskey constant.
Speaker 1: I ain't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, jeez it, okay, okay, okay, we got to talk
Speaker 3: about my path is none of that.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 3: We have one of the greatest receivers in history. He's
Speaker 3: final Hey Man College got all Man Man? Yeah, sure, Man,
Speaker 3: my man in the Hall of Flame. His refer his
Speaker 3: numbers better than other play fifteen years Man stopped playing
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