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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool People who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy. With me today is the

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Speaker 1: one and only Bridget Todd. Bridget, how are you on

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Speaker 1: this day that is totally a different day than the

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Speaker 1: last time we recorded. Oh, I'm doing great. This is

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Speaker 1: a totally different day, fresh energy, love it, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Our producer is Sophie. Our audio engineers Ian Our theme

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Speaker 1: music was written for us by a woman. And so

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Speaker 1: this is cool trans people in History week, apparently. And

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Speaker 1: today I've got a story that I'm really fucking stoked on.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the most overlooked figures in history. I

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Speaker 1: never heard of him. Today we're gonna talk about this

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Speaker 1: doctor named Alan Hart. You ever heard of Alan Hart?

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Speaker 1: I have not. I've asked my friends who were like, like,

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Speaker 1: he's an X ray tech. And I asked my like

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Speaker 1: radical X ray tech friend and they were like nope.

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Speaker 1: And I asked my like trans man doctor friend and

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Speaker 1: he's like nope. Like he's cool, he's fucking But but

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Speaker 1: in order to talk about Alan Hart, We've got to

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Speaker 1: talk about suberculosis. His favorite topic or right here. When

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Speaker 1: I first started doing this podcast, I told a ton

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Speaker 1: of stories that took place in the nineteenth century. And

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Speaker 1: one thing they kept coming up over and over again

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Speaker 1: every one of my stories. If they weren't killed by

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Speaker 1: the state, they were getting killed by tuberculosis, just over

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Speaker 1: and over again. This, this fucking just murderer of people.

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Speaker 1: Tuberculous has been around in humans since basically forever. Actually,

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Speaker 1: unlike a lot of things like the flu only reached

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Speaker 1: a lot of places in the medieval era. And shit,

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Speaker 1: I don't that's not in my script. Don't quote me

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Speaker 1: on that. But like diseases get added to humanity over time,

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Speaker 1: like COVID, it's going to be like a thousand years

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Speaker 1: from now, people like, you know, there's a time before COVID.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so optimistic. There's gonna be a few

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Speaker 1: coole thousand years. So tuberculosis has been around forever. In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, it was still the second leading of cause

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Speaker 1: of death from an infectious disease, second only to COVID. Wow.

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Speaker 1: It's particularly prevalent in Southeast Asia, and there is antibiotic

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Speaker 1: treatment available, and so it is a disease of poverty,

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Speaker 1: particularly common in places. Overcrowding, malnutrition, poor sanitation, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Most of the world uses them moderately these days, not

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Speaker 1: the days of the guy we're going to be talking about.

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Speaker 1: Most of the world uses a moderately effective TB vaccine,

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Speaker 1: but in the US, Canada, and Europe, TB is rare

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Speaker 1: enough that most people don't get vaccinated, and we focus

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Speaker 1: and treatment cannot get down substantially. But of course that's

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Speaker 1: not available everywhere because money and capitalism and such. So

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Speaker 1: why are we talking about tuberculosis not just because it's

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Speaker 1: my weird accidental interest, because we're gonna talk about one

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Speaker 1: of the people who dedicated his life to doing something

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Speaker 1: about tuberculosis. A pioneer of TV detection. He's credited as

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Speaker 1: having saved millions of lives, is the thing I keep saying.

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Speaker 1: He's also the first transman to get gender confirming surgery

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Speaker 1: general and history. But I hate sweeping statements like that,

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Speaker 1: because you know, there's always like a culture that the

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Speaker 1: gay characters more than one hundred fucking years ago, and

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Speaker 1: he was a fucking cool guy. His name is Alan L. Hart.

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Speaker 1: He was born in October eighteen ninety in Kansas with

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Speaker 1: not only not only Allan's dad, but both of his

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Speaker 1: having a good time. He's two years old. His mom, Edna,

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Speaker 1: interesting girly things, only boy things. He demanded pockets on

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Speaker 1: just as I like him a lot. He's a He's

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Speaker 1: He would play dolls with friends neighbors who come over

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Speaker 1: I know. He followed his grandfather around dutifully. His grandfather's

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Speaker 1: this like super tough, outdoorsy type. Who played that? Do

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Speaker 1: better to say they indulged him, but later they are

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Speaker 1: When he was twelve, though, his mom and his stepdad

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Speaker 1: to wear dresses and he had to answer to Lucille.

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Speaker 1: Classmates made fun of him for basically not being very

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Speaker 1: good at pretending to be a girl. You know, they're like,

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Speaker 1: and being same sex attracted as a kid was actually

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Speaker 1: not the red flag. Being same sex attracted as a

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Speaker 1: This one gets into some of the like third sex

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Speaker 1: It's not the best love poetry. I didn't include it.

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked on me. No, I've seen pictures of

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Speaker 1: So and so this was controversial that they were dating

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Speaker 1: my will. These are our ironic great grandchildren. These are

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Speaker 1: ironically cradle her every night. Yeah, totally. Um. And so

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Speaker 1: And the nineteen tens, I think, and early nineteen tens.

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Speaker 1: And in college, he still dresses as a girl, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like, looking at all these pictures of him in

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Speaker 1: the the writers will be like, and you can see

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Speaker 1: that are all proper and medical that are like Alan

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00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: as a dude, so that if he needs to he

426
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: can go get a passport, all at great risk to

427
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: his professional standing. He fucking go out on a limb

428
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: about this. And Alan's picture in the yearbook that year

429
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: when he graduates medical school is him with short hair,

430
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: men's clothes and the name Alan Lucille Heart. He didn't

431
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: have to change his ID, like the he just changed

432
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: his name, but he didn't have to change the marker

433
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: on his ID, right because driver's license didn't exist, Social

434
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: Security didn't exist. The passport's like the only fucking thing

435
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: I know. It's kind of crazy to think how much

436
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: more rigamarole we all have to deal with today. As

437
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: I can. I was like, oh, yeah, there's no driver's license.

438
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 1: It's just like you're cool, you know. It was like

439
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty three, there's so much paperwork just

440
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: to exist as a human in the world. I know,

441
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: I know, And like there's that whole thing where like

442
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: credit scores weren't invented until I'm making this up. It's

443
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: like the late eighties or some shit. I just found

444
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: this out, just like when I was a child, So

445
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: like when I was born, they didn't exist. I just

446
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: found this out. Yeah no, and yeah it's fucking yeah.

447
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Yeah, we need more hoops to jump through,

448
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: more rigamarole what we need? Yeah? Yeah? And also I

449
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: mean I always like think, imagine being a criminal before fingerprints.

450
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if I were a criminal, Like what

451
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: a time to be a criminal, you'd be running wild,

452
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: Like I don't do whatever I want? What are you

453
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: gonna prove it? I say in my head? What do

454
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: you want? Diver in person? My name's uh I bet

455
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: Sagerie was like a real like you probably a forger,

456
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: a forger. Forger, A forger could of like really really

457
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: ate back then. Oh they did. Um, And it was

458
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: funny because like crime rings and revolutionists were the best forgers.

459
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: Not surprised. Yeah, so he and he graduates top of

460
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Speaker 1: his class. Um. He is the first quote woman to

461
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: I think ever graduate from this particular medical schools, which

462
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: I didn't write down because I'm a good at my job.

463
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: He wasn't not a woman, so but it be. But

464
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: you know whatever, Doctor Jay Alan Gilbert, the guy who

465
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: did the surgery, has a good quote about the whole thing.

466
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: From a sociological and psychological standpoint. She is a man.

467
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: If society will but let her alone, she will fill

468
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: her niche in the world and leave it better for

469
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: her bravery. And that is what he did. He goes

470
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: out and he leaves the world better for his bravery.

471
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about his life after all this shit. First,

472
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: he gets a job at a hospital as a male intern,

473
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: only to get snitched out to the papers by some

474
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: snitch from his graduating class. Papers across the West Coast

475
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: run headlines like woman hospital intern masquerades as man, and

476
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: the papers are like, she'd better return to her true nature.

477
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: And this part is really interesting to me. They're mostly

478
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: claiming that she's doing it to get the social benefits

479
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: of being a man. They're like, and I feel like

480
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: I've run across this in modern like turf logic, you know,

481
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, you don't actually we want to

482
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: be a man, you just want to be in a

483
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: better position within the patriarch. I've definitely ran into that

484
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: or like I actually just saw this like horrible thing

485
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: where it's like the idea that like trans folks are

486
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: like pretending because they want some sort of social benefit

487
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: or like I want women to have to like bow

488
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: down to me, and I want to get it. I

489
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: want to get into women's spaces, So I'm pretending. It's

490
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: complete nonsense. But yeah, it is wild that it's still

491
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: endurs that that they have not come up with more

492
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: more material and like fifty years it's still endursed today. No,

493
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: I know, I know exactly nothing fucking changes in the

494
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: rhetoric about it, and like, and I always think it's

495
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: funny because it's like, oh yeah, like because like I

496
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: think I'm a good case study because for a decade

497
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: before I came out, I was named Margaret wearing women's

498
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: clothes and just used he pronouns and referred to myself

499
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: as a cross dresser. I was so much more socially

500
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: accepted in all kinds of spaces. I mean, not literal

501
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: women's spaces, which I started to be accepted into once

502
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: they came out. But like the world loves a gender

503
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: deviant man, like oh thank god, you are like doing

504
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: something different with masculinity here, are my panties or whatever,

505
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, like people like fucking love non toxic masculinity,

506
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: and being a trans woman does not get you fucking

507
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: social benefits. It just doesn't. It's so annoying like that

508
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: people say that. But yeah, and I'm sure being a

509
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: trans man just made his life harder, but it wasn't

510
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: his choice, you know. I mean, he was a man.

511
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: He just happens to be a man who everyone's mad

512
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: at for not having been born with a dick. So

513
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: so Alan he goes to the Albany Papers, hometown paper

514
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: after he's like being talked about across the coast, and

515
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: he basically it's like it gives an interview I think,

516
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: to kind of clear the air as best as possible.

517
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: And he says, quote, I had to do it. For years.

518
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: I have been unhappy with all the inclinations and desires

519
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: of a boy. I have been happier since I made

520
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: this change than I've ever been in my life, and

521
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: I will continue this way as long as I live.

522
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: Very few people can understand. And he also in the paper,

523
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: he's like he's kind of like holds up his like

524
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: note from the doctor that says he's a boy He's like,

525
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: doctor's examined me, and it turns out I'm actually male,

526
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: which is like not technically a lie because this doctor

527
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: did declare a male, but it wasn't actually an intersex condition.

528
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: But that's basically, once again, the kind of defense that

529
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: is available to people. And also, I mean, like all

530
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: physical sex stuff is a spectrum, right, with multiple dimensions.

531
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: It's not just even a one dimensional space with like

532
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: boy and girl on each end, right, And so like

533
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: a lot more people have some elements of intersex characteristics

534
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: than than are recognized, right, So I'm not trying to

535
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: say he didn't, but I think what he was saying

536
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: was doctoricism a boy lea me a fuck alone, you know, right.

537
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: And his family accepts him, his mother and his grandparents

538
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: including I believe Oregon Trail Dad granddad. They when his

539
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: grandparents die later in their obituary they list him as

540
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: their grandson. And it's just fucking rules and it matters

541
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: so much. Alan marries a Portland school teacher named Anz Stark.

542
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: They run off back to Albany again, the lesser Albany, Albany, Oregon,

543
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: and this is his hometown and so people know his secret.

544
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: He registers for the draft because he has to because

545
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: he's a boy, which we saw what happened last time,

546
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: right is nineteen eighteen, and he asks for an exemption

547
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: and the form I looked at his draft guard it

548
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: says like, um, are you asking for an exemption? If so,

549
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: why and he just writes yes. He does not write

550
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: a reason why. But the local draft board quietly accept

551
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: the exemption because they know and they just have his back.

552
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: That's the best I can figure out. And he moves

553
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: to a small nearby lumbertown and he starts a small practice.

554
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty, doctor Gilbert releases an anonymous case report

555
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: about the whole thing in scholarly journals, once again kind

556
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: of risking his career to stand up and say that, hey,

557
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: this is what we did. This helped, like this is

558
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: a decent treatment. You know. It's published as Homosexuality and

559
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: Its Treatment in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease.

560
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: But Alan and Inez stay on the move, and they're

561
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: going from small town to small town. Most likely it's

562
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: because people discovered his secret. It's also possible that they

563
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: were afraid he would Maybe he just had wanderlust. He

564
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: did write later a novel in which a doctor moves

565
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: constantly because scandal follows him everywhere. But the problem is

566
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: in these small towns, Ainez has nothing to do all day,

567
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: so she leaves him, which is fair. They're divorced in

568
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four. She goes on to become a Seattle

569
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: a teacher in Seattle and later in Baltimore. Lives to

570
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: be ninety four years old. Going as Alan winds up,

571
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: he's single. Now he winds up in Eugene, Oregon. He

572
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: gets into writing, and he gets into a woman named Ruddy.

573
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: They get married in nineteen twenty five. They stay together

574
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: thirty seven years more until Alan's death. I think he's

575
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: learned his lesson and now he needs to realize that

576
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: he needs to prioritize the life and interests of his partner.

577
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, as far as I can tell you, the

578
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: fucking solid husband. I love it because it's like there's

579
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: not a lot of conflict in this story that I'm

580
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: telling you. It's just cool. I like it. Like he's

581
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: a romantic, he like has some relationships. He's figuring him,

582
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: figuring himself out, like I don't know, like people I

583
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: don't know. Not every story needs to be full of

584
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: conflict and heavy stuff. Sometimes just the journey of figuring

585
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: out who you are is enough. Yeah, totally, And and

586
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: he does really cool shit, it's just not dramatic. He

587
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: starts writing books. He writes four successful and well reviewed

588
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: doctor novels, which I think is like medical TV drama

589
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: but in book form. And these books have gay characters

590
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: and disabled characters front and center. I think a lot

591
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: of queer folks were using disability as like a way

592
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: to talk about being others. And I think maybe especially

593
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: trans folks might have been doing that. I'm not entirely certain.

594
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: And his editor praised them as involved, including please for

595
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: social Justice, and he dedicated his first book to his mom.

596
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: Like every male author, he struggled to write believable women characters.

597
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: He admits as much. Yeah, and it's like moments like

598
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: that where you're like, oh, yeah, no, I get it.

599
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: You're a dude, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's like like

600
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand the female mine. I've never had one,

601
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, Like, like I don't know what they're thinking. Yeah,

602
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: they want flowers, so I don't know. Um. And he

603
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: also writes a port for the public book about how

604
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: X rays work called These mysterious rays, much like these

605
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: mysterious deals that you can get from these advertisers. So

606
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: we're back and more than writing his whole thing and

607
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: the thing he's remembered for, except when he's remembered as

608
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the first, you know, transmasculine person to receive gender firming

609
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: care in the United States. Detecting tuberculosis with X rays

610
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: is a new study at the time. He is one

611
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: of the first people to document how the disease spreads

612
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: and specifically how important early detection was. He's like probably

613
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: the single person to develop preemptive screening. The idea of

614
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: using X rays previous to this was only like once

615
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: there were symptoms, you'd be like, oh, I think I

616
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: got TB. And so this is apparently the screening process

617
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: that's still in place today in a lot of places,

618
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: although as we were learning during the last ad break

619
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: that Bridget is aware of another way the people get

620
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: jabbed with things to do TB tests. Stab you in

621
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: the arm way, yeah, and I'm just like, I don't remember.

622
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: I remember going to the doctor. At some point they're like,

623
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: which shots have you had? And I'm like, I do

624
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: not know the normal ones. They don't like that answer

625
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: legas think of you new ones anyway, This is thank

626
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: you allan for this screening process. He gives hundreds of

627
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: lectures on this practice, and he just goes around trying

628
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: to help people find TB. He goes to a lot

629
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: of clinics, particularly public health clinics, places that do it

630
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: for free. He goes, he's forty years old, he goes

631
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: and gets a master's degree in X rays I think radiology.

632
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: And he's more than just an X ray technician. He's

633
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: organizing people on a massive scale. To quote an article

634
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: from the Legacy Projects Chicago, speaking nationwide on tuberculosis care,

635
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: Heart dedicated all of his time to fundraising for medical

636
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: research and to help support economically challenged TB patients. In

637
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Speaker 1: a move to end the stigma of the disease, Heart

638
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: spearheaded a massive nationwide campaign to use X ray technology

639
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: to to screen people. All of the groundbreaking visionary work

640
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: art Champion took place twenty years before the epidemilogical test

641
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: for tuberculosis was developed. As a result, it is thought

642
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: that millions of lives were saved because of this one

643
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: man's commitment. The fucking hell of a legacy. The Great

644
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: Depression hits. That whole thing that's like that happens during

645
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: his whole career. But the Great Depression hits, and he's

646
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: offered a job by some giant, evil medical company to

647
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: write medical ad copy because he's unemployed, and he's like, no,

648
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm good. I would literally rather be poorer than write

649
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: that shit. Good for him, and instead he eventually finds

650
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: public service work, I think in Idaho, running their TV

651
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: program and stuff, and he gets on doing that. In

652
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five, writing about public health, he wrote, quote,

653
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: the ugly things that have grown up in medicine are

654
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: the result of the ugliness and falsity of society as

655
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: a whole, of our American preoccupation with success in making money,

656
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: of our concentration of effort on the production of things

657
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: rather than their use for a fuller human life. So

658
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of an anti capitalist vibe happening in that lie.

659
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: He's just fucking cool, like I keep waiting for the like,

660
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, like he's just doing his fucking thing. During

661
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: World War Two, he did his usual work, but for

662
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: the army, screening recruits for TB. Obviously, this was sort

663
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: of probably a dangerous time for him, because you know,

664
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Speaker 1: doctors were getting drafted, including older doctors during World War Two.

665
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: But I think he just straight up volunteers and he's

666
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: just like, he doesn't go into the army. He goes

667
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: and just just like, look, I can do my doctor thing.

668
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: That's great. In nineteen forty eight, he goes back to

669
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Speaker 1: college yet again, this time in Yale in Connecticut, and

670
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: he gets his second masters in public health. And he

671
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: wanted to study not just how do I look into

672
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: people's lungs and help them not die of TB? But

673
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: how can we arrange society so that we can look

674
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: into people's lungs and mass and help them not die

675
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: of TB. He dedicated more than forty years to preventing tuberculosis.

676
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Impossible to count the number of lives he saved, particularly

677
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: poor folks. The people were most susceptible to it. And

678
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: he died himself of heart disease in nineteen sixty two.

679
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: He was seventy one years old. He was the head

680
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: of Connecticut's tuberculosis program. And when he was a kid,

681
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: he wrote down his three childhood his three goals for

682
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: his life. He wanted to be a physician, He wanted

683
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to be a successful writer, and he wanted to be

684
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: a loving husband check check check check yep. His wife

685
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: of thirty seven years lived twenty years after him, which

686
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: is also a very masculine thing to do. Die before,

687
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: die early, and like your wife just has like a

688
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: another thirty years without you, Yeah, exactly, very yeah. And

689
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: he was a private person to the end. He he

690
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: directed his attorney to destroy all of his personal papers

691
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: and photos and shit when he died, and also to

692
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: be cremated immediately and like not have his body his

693
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: ashes like place in any ceremonial way anywhere. And so

694
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: we don't know as much about him as as we'd like,

695
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: because respecting people's dead people's privacy is annoying. But you know,

696
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: he burned all his personal records, and he also wanted

697
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: that quote no memorial be erected or created, or contributions

698
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: made in my name to any charitable, charitable, education, medical,

699
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: or religious institution. He like, this is how fucking humble

700
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: he is. He's like, don't put my name on some

701
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: fucking building. He does not want the Alan Hert Tuberculosis Center.

702
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that's like, I'm sure a part of

703
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: it is just good old fashioned transphobia, but do you

704
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: think that that's a part of why his legacy it's

705
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of forgotten, like in addition to transphobia, just that

706
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: like he was not somebody who wanted his name like

707
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: splashed on buildings, etc. I think so. I think he

708
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: just was, like, you know, I'm sure some of it

709
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: is that he's like sick of all the scandal and

710
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: stuff that kept him on the move for a long time,

711
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, But I think he just was like, yeah,

712
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: he just didn't want to be some name, you know.

713
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until the seventies, more than a decade

714
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: after his death, that people rediscovered that he was trans.

715
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Speaker 1: He lived to the last many decades of his life

716
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: like without that being an issue in any part of

717
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: his life as far as I can tell. And I

718
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess I like, I hope you forgive

719
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: me wherever you are. I think you were cool as hell.

720
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about you sixty years after your death.

721
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I won't like create the Alan Hart Memorial

722
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: trans Tuberculosis Center or whatever. And there have been arguments

723
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: ever since people rediscovered that he was assigned female at birth. Honestly,

724
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: I almost wonder if this is the shit he's trying

725
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: to avoid people Like I talked about this in a

726
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: Stonewall episode. Everyone argues about Stonewall, like who gets to

727
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: own it? Like which letter of LGBT gets to own Stonewall?

728
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: And the answer is that we all fucking own it,

729
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: and like, fuck you, why are we bothering arguing about this?

730
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: But people have argued ever since rediscovering his assigned female

731
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: birthness about whether or not he was a transsexual, a

732
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: term that didn't find it it's way into us discourse

733
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: until after he died, or if he was a lesbian

734
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I don't know what to call him

735
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: in terms of like people have been like, oh, you

736
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: can't calm transgender, he's gonna calm stuff that. But I

737
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: can call him when he called himself, which is a

738
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: trans not transplant, a man. He was a man like

739
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: adjectives be damned. He was very clear about how he identified,

740
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: which is that he was a man named Alan Hart

741
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: and he was a good one. So yeah, this is

742
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: like the platonic ideal of the title of the show.

743
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Just cool people. He did cool stuff. I know, I

744
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: want to go out and like do some outdoor adventures

745
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: in Alan's honor. Just like, yeah, go pitch a tent

746
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: and dig a hole and poop in it. Yeah, or

747
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: whatever you do outside. No, that's good. That is the

748
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: way that you poop outside. Don't don't not dig a

749
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: hole before you poop. That's the bad way. Good advice. Yeah, yeah,

750
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: so that's the cool zone. Media's official stance is that

751
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: everyone go poop in a hole. But also just like, yeah,

752
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: the like I just love his whole arc. I love

753
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: him as the like outdoorsy kid, like just who wants

754
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: to like go outside and play and follow grandpa around

755
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: and shit. And just like the fact that his grandparents

756
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: like wrote him properly into their obituary, like made me

757
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: tear up while I was I was researching all of this,

758
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: because that shit matters. And if you're ever on the

759
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: fence about like why I doubt anyone's listening to this

760
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: is like really on the fence about trans acceptance or whatever,

761
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: but like that shit changes everything. Like the fact that

762
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: he dedicated his book to his mom is just like

763
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: it's it's almost certainly because his mom just accepted him, right, um,

764
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: and like means fucking everything to people. That's what I got.

765
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: That's what I got for a transcestory week here on

766
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: cool people did cool stuff. I'm sure this is a

767
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: topic I will be returning to. But yeah, I'm so

768
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: glad you're doing this series. I'm so glad to have

769
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: been here for it. Yeah. I mean, I feel like

770
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: I want to hear the Margaret version of like all

771
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: the cool shit that Margaret does, Like, you know, it's

772
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: it's nice. It's nice to think of like the legacy

773
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: and then seeing trans folks be their beautiful, brilliant selves

774
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: and like getting getting to do that. It's like we

775
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: all win when that happens, and it's really beautiful. No,

776
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: that's such a good point that just like that, I'm amazing. No, Um,

777
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: it's such a good point that, Like, yeah, because I

778
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: sometimes when I when I get caught up in history,

779
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: I get actually kind of like lost in the detail

780
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: of like this story, a sort of detached from everything,

781
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: even where in the back of my mind I'm like,

782
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: but I'm worried about some shit happening now or whatever.

783
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: But I do love how much in the Stonewall episode.

784
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I know you weren't the guests for this, but you'll

785
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: get to listen to it soon, I hope. It's one

786
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: of the people who was involved in the early gay

787
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: rights movement referred to himself as a human battering ram,

788
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: and he was like, if it takes me breaking the

789
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: way for other people, then I guess that's what I'm

790
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: going to do, even though I'm scared to see at

791
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: heart right and like, and what's so interesting is just

792
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: like people of who are marginalized along any fucking line

793
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: are constantly doing that. You know. There's all of these

794
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: people who came before whose shoulders we stand on. And

795
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: then like it's even like funny to me because I've

796
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: only been out for six seven years or something like thought,

797
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, and already to I'm like, a I'm an elder,

798
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: you know to some folks, yeah, and like I'm like,

799
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: what what the fuck, I'm just a millennial. But um,

800
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: but I'm an elder millennial. So and being like, oh, okay,

801
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: because these things that when we're doing it, we don't

802
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: realize we're doing history. You know, like Alan probably wasn't like, hell, yeah,

803
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm the first guy to get his like shit ripped out.

804
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: You know. He was just trying to fucking live his life,

805
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: and then by doing it, he made shit easier for

806
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: people in so many ways. Well, if we want to

807
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: make it easier for people to find you on the internet,

808
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: how can there masterful transition? Thank you? Thank you. You

809
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Speaker 1: can follow me on social media on Instagram at Bridget

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Speaker 1: Marie in DC, on Twitter at Bridget Marie, or on

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Speaker 1: TikTok at Bridget Todd Max podcasts. A wait, no, Bridget

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Speaker 1: Max podcasts. I love your TikTok's. Oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying my best girl. It's it's like TikTok is. I

814
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: used to make fun of people who were like hard

815
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Speaker 1: it is. It's it's not easy. Yeah, you can follow

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00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: me on TikTok. You can listen to any number of

817
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Speaker 1: the podcasts I have, Michael's own media show, Internet Hate Machine.

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Speaker 1: I heart radios. There are no girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Uh DCS Citycast, Local News podcast and Next Chapter podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Beef hell yeah. So if you got anything, well, I've

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Speaker 1: never plugged my Instagram. It's a Sophie Underscore ray Underscore

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Speaker 1: of Underscore Sunshine. I think I did that right. Yeah,

823
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: you specifically conveyed that the ray of Sunshine is sarcastic.

824
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you were able to convey that in

825
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: the in your statement of it, it's actually it's actually

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Speaker 1: a family nickname. That's what all my relatives call me.

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Speaker 1: And you are Ray of Sunshine. Yeah. Yeah, I came

828
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: out blonde and everybody was like, oh, that's weird, and

829
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Speaker 1: then I says. You can read my most recent book,

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Speaker 1: Escape from Insul Island. It is very short. You can

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Speaker 1: read it in an afternoon. Um. It's available from Strangers

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Speaker 1: in the Tangled Wilderness or wherever you buy your books,

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Speaker 1: and you can follow me on social media at Margaret

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Speaker 1: Kiljoy on Instagram, at Magpie Killjoy on Twitter. Until that implodes,

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Speaker 1: I'm technically massed on, but I don't know and or

836
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: use it, which is not a value judgment. It's if anything,

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Speaker 1: it's a value judgment on me. And you can hear

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Speaker 1: more from me next week on Cool People, I can't

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Speaker 1: even do the don't do it. Yeah, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to do it on this podcast Stuff Yeah, cool People,

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