1
00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

2
00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479
Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories, and strategies, and now your host,

3
00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,640
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

4
00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,880
Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number forty two,

5
00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,599
Speaker 1: saying the show, we're taking a step back from strategies,

6
00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,639
Speaker 1: tips and tactics and instead focusing on another of the

7
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:45,879
Speaker 1: most important aspects of deer hunting, the stories. All right,

8
00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,280
Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, and today we're

9
00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,080
Speaker 1: taking a slightly different angle on the show. You know,

10
00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,560
Speaker 1: over the past couple of months, we've covered everything from

11
00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,880
Speaker 1: hardcore hunting strategies to important topical issues like hunter harass,

12
00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,280
Speaker 1: declined deer herds, and everything in between. But today I

13
00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of want to take a deep breath and think

14
00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,160
Speaker 1: back a little bit on some of the little things

15
00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,560
Speaker 1: that make us love hunting so much and the experiences, memories,

16
00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,160
Speaker 1: and stories that all go along with them. So in

17
00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,600
Speaker 1: this episode of the podcast, Dan and I are going

18
00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,319
Speaker 1: to be regaling you all with a handful of our

19
00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,240
Speaker 1: favorite hunting stories from the past. But before we get

20
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,920
Speaker 1: into these yarns, Dan, how are you this snowy afternoon? Well, uh,

21
00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,839
Speaker 1: you just said two words I've probably never heard before.

22
00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,759
Speaker 1: What were those words? Uh? Afternoon And I'm just kidding

23
00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:46,959
Speaker 1: it was uh yarns and regaling? Come on, yarn is.

24
00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,400
Speaker 1: It's just it's an awesome classic word for stories like

25
00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400
Speaker 1: have you never heard that? Well, I guess in two

26
00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,720
Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen, where I live, we don't use that

27
00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,040
Speaker 1: that much anymore. Plus I probably have a vocabulary of

28
00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,800
Speaker 1: a fifth grader, so well, you know, to be honest,

29
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people are on here

30
00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,080
Speaker 1: use that either. But it's kind of a cool, old

31
00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,840
Speaker 1: fashioning word that a geek like me might use. Are

32
00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,600
Speaker 1: we going to be talk talking in like old English

33
00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,519
Speaker 1: today and be like ye story of ye shipwreck? That'd

34
00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,839
Speaker 1: be a pretty good idea. I mean, if you could

35
00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,359
Speaker 1: pull off the entire episode with that accent, I say,

36
00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,320
Speaker 1: go for it. Well I'll tell you what. If I

37
00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,359
Speaker 1: do that, you may just have your lowest view podcast

38
00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,720
Speaker 1: of all time. I think you're right, or at least

39
00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 1: the lowest like length of listening. Like they'll get through

40
00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,600
Speaker 1: the first like two minutes and then click, everyone's off.

41
00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,200
Speaker 1: This is dumb. I'm out of here. Yeah, done with

42
00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,919
Speaker 1: those guys. But yeah, um yeah, I was hoping we

43
00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,160
Speaker 1: could kinda just chat through some of our favorite hunting stories.

44
00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you, but growing up,

45
00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: I was just obsessed with hunting stories. I remember, I

46
00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,400
Speaker 1: think we've we've talked a couple of times, is about

47
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,399
Speaker 1: how big I am into reading, And like, I think

48
00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,040
Speaker 1: one of the first things I ever read was up

49
00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 1: at my family hunting camp. My grandpa always has a

50
00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,040
Speaker 1: stack of Field and Stream and Outdoor Life magazine sitting

51
00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,200
Speaker 1: on this little coffee table next to the World Boarding

52
00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,720
Speaker 1: wood boarding stove, and I would just sit there, like

53
00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,280
Speaker 1: four years old or however all there was, and I

54
00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,560
Speaker 1: just remember a page through those Like every time there

55
00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,840
Speaker 1: wasn't something going on, I'd be sitting in that chair

56
00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,280
Speaker 1: looking through those magazines and you know, imagining hunting stories

57
00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,560
Speaker 1: and eventually reading hunting stories and then just bugging the

58
00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,680
Speaker 1: crap out of my uncles and my dad and my

59
00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,000
Speaker 1: grandpa about stories. I wanted to hear about their first deer.

60
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear about their favorite hunting story. I

61
00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,800
Speaker 1: wanted to hear about the time this happened or or

62
00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,920
Speaker 1: that happened. I just I loved those stories and been

63
00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,520
Speaker 1: fascinated by them, so do you remember the Outdoor Life.

64
00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,640
Speaker 1: I think they still do it today, but there's a

65
00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,200
Speaker 1: there's stories in there, but there's they're illustrated, so it's

66
00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,200
Speaker 1: almost like a comic book. That was that was my

67
00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,800
Speaker 1: favorite part of Outdoor Life. And there's one particular article

68
00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,360
Speaker 1: I remember, and it's just stuck out over the years,

69
00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,760
Speaker 1: but it's a guy shoots a buck with a brand

70
00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,880
Speaker 1: new rifle that his wife got him for Christmas, and

71
00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,520
Speaker 1: he sets the rifle in the bucks antlers and he

72
00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,240
Speaker 1: takes the picture. When the flash goes off, the buck

73
00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,119
Speaker 1: magically comes to and runs off and he wasn't dead

74
00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,200
Speaker 1: and and runs off into the wilderness with a brand

75
00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,760
Speaker 1: new gun in his antlers. That's amazing. That was That's

76
00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,920
Speaker 1: that one, for some reason, just sticks out in my head. Yeah,

77
00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,799
Speaker 1: I love I love those kind of stories too. Yeah,

78
00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,240
Speaker 1: there's just something about I don't know, it really gets

79
00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,960
Speaker 1: down to the core of what hunting is all about, right,

80
00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,800
Speaker 1: I Mean, when it comes down to it, it's about

81
00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,000
Speaker 1: a group of guys and girls sitting around a campfire

82
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,479
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, great memories from the past and

83
00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,039
Speaker 1: the experiences that you know, sure, you know, when it

84
00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,960
Speaker 1: comes to hunting, we all like to you know, bag

85
00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,200
Speaker 1: of deer and put anglers on the wall or whatever

86
00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,919
Speaker 1: it might be. But it's the memories. I think that

87
00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,919
Speaker 1: really that really make it for me. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

88
00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,680
Speaker 1: Memories is after all, it's it's I don't know about you,

89
00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,040
Speaker 1: but it's it's why I do it. I mean, it's

90
00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,480
Speaker 1: it's something. It sucks because I'll go back and I'll

91
00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,159
Speaker 1: tell these stories to my wife. I was like, hey,

92
00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,920
Speaker 1: I saw a deer back there at one time. Let

93
00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,719
Speaker 1: me tell you about it. And she's just like, uh,

94
00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,440
Speaker 1: but I'm glad I have you in my life, Mark

95
00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 1: to tell you those stories. I'm glad I can be

96
00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,760
Speaker 1: there for you in this special way. Oh that's awesome.

97
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,000
Speaker 1: But but yeah, there's just something about it. And I

98
00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960
Speaker 1: thought today, you know, we could touch, we could talk

99
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,040
Speaker 1: to some of our favorite stories. I don't know, I've

100
00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,400
Speaker 1: had a little bit of time to think through a

101
00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,640
Speaker 1: couple of things, um that I want to share today.

102
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had any time to do

103
00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,920
Speaker 1: that yet, Dan, But it was funny. I was sitting

104
00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,320
Speaker 1: um with my dad hunting and I briefly mentioned this

105
00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,599
Speaker 1: a couple so's back. But this is actually one of

106
00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,159
Speaker 1: my favorite you know, hunting memories ever. And I already

107
00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,599
Speaker 1: told you guys that story of the story of my

108
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,000
Speaker 1: dad and I on our hunt back in late December,

109
00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,400
Speaker 1: I think it was when he got that buck back

110
00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 1: on my farm, and you know, that night, just before

111
00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,120
Speaker 1: he got that shot, we were actually sitting in the

112
00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,279
Speaker 1: blind telling hunting stories, you know, just like when I

113
00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,839
Speaker 1: was like five years old. I was sitting there just

114
00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,240
Speaker 1: asking me, Dad, tell me about tell me about one

115
00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,400
Speaker 1: of your favorite hunts with your dad, and tell me

116
00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,880
Speaker 1: about that one time with with GP and the big spike.

117
00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,239
Speaker 1: And he was just telling me all these old stories,

118
00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,599
Speaker 1: and it reminded me again of when I was, you know,

119
00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,440
Speaker 1: five years old, sitting there with my grandpa and my

120
00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,000
Speaker 1: dad and my uncle's and there's just nothing like it.

121
00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,120
Speaker 1: So I guess Dan, what I was hoping to do

122
00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,200
Speaker 1: is maybe we could bounce back and forth tell some

123
00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,600
Speaker 1: of our favorite stories. And I'm sure we're gonna have

124
00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,400
Speaker 1: some questions about your stories. We can kind of dig

125
00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,159
Speaker 1: into those and and kind of just see where this

126
00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,320
Speaker 1: takes us. I have no idea, you know, where these

127
00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,600
Speaker 1: conversations might go, what kind of stories we might tell,

128
00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,360
Speaker 1: but I hope we can just share some of our

129
00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,920
Speaker 1: favorite memories and kind of think there's some of those

130
00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,680
Speaker 1: things and I imagine that will be something that allow

131
00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,880
Speaker 1: our listeners will um maybe enjoy and definitely will Bill

132
00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,000
Speaker 1: relate to. Yeah, it sounds good, and if you don't mind,

133
00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you a question right off the bat,

134
00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,160
Speaker 1: let's hear it. So my, what what I really like

135
00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,080
Speaker 1: to know about people and what stories I like to

136
00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,800
Speaker 1: hear from people are if there is a particular moment

137
00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,800
Speaker 1: that you became hooked on the outdoors or or hunting,

138
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,480
Speaker 1: whether it was a camping trip, or a fishing trip,

139
00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,680
Speaker 1: or a hunting trip, or or a specific hunting experience,

140
00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,720
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear your story on that. Yeah. Um,

141
00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 1: it would be a two part answer to that. Um,

142
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you the first part really briefly. Um. One

143
00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,800
Speaker 1: one was related to hunting, and then one was just

144
00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,960
Speaker 1: the outdoors in general and the outdoors in general. I

145
00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,760
Speaker 1: won't tell the whole story, but we took a family

146
00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,760
Speaker 1: trip um to Glacier National Park when I was probably

147
00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,720
Speaker 1: like seven years old or eight years old, and on

148
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,720
Speaker 1: that trip, just seeing them mountains and all the animals

149
00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,160
Speaker 1: in the wildlife that really got me hooked on just

150
00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,040
Speaker 1: wilderness in the outdoors. But before that, I got hooked

151
00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,840
Speaker 1: on hunting from a very early age. And um, there's

152
00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,480
Speaker 1: there's two experiences related to deer that really got me

153
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,440
Speaker 1: just passionate about deer um. The first one, really briefly,

154
00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,160
Speaker 1: was the first memory I can recall about deer ever.

155
00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,280
Speaker 1: I was probably I think my dad told me us

156
00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,400
Speaker 1: four so four or five somewhere around there, and my

157
00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,200
Speaker 1: grandpa had taken me up to our deer camp. And again,

158
00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,840
Speaker 1: this is where a lot of my stories take place,

159
00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of my memories, and really where I became

160
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,360
Speaker 1: who I am as a hunter. And really that that

161
00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,080
Speaker 1: place molded me really into the person in general that

162
00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,280
Speaker 1: I am um. And we call our little camp up

163
00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,520
Speaker 1: there Ken Rovan just the name of the deer camp

164
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,920
Speaker 1: was Ken Rovan Um. And this is a really special

165
00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,080
Speaker 1: place for my family. And my grandpa took me up

166
00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,880
Speaker 1: there by myself one time in the summer and we're

167
00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,520
Speaker 1: just the two of us up there, are doing some

168
00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400
Speaker 1: chores around camp, and he brought a video camera with us.

169
00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,080
Speaker 1: And on that first day it was probably July, we're

170
00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,320
Speaker 1: gonna go sit out in one of our blinds. Um

171
00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,800
Speaker 1: one of our kind of gun hunting ground blinds and

172
00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,640
Speaker 1: just see if we saw any deer. And that was

173
00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,880
Speaker 1: this experience, remember going the blind, sitting there, and deer

174
00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,000
Speaker 1: started coming out into this field we were sitting next to.

175
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,920
Speaker 1: And it was the first time that I remember ever

176
00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,559
Speaker 1: seeing deer up close. And if I remember, something like

177
00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,400
Speaker 1: seven or eight doze all came within like ten yards

178
00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,079
Speaker 1: of the blind, and the whole time my grandpa, who

179
00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,720
Speaker 1: we called gp GP was filming the whole thing and

180
00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,120
Speaker 1: then filming me, and I was just so absolutely enthralled

181
00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,000
Speaker 1: of these deer right in front of me, so close.

182
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,280
Speaker 1: And I always loved animals, but then, you know, seeing

183
00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,800
Speaker 1: these deer, you know, I felt like I'd almost touched

184
00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,760
Speaker 1: could almost touch him, and for whatever forever reason, that

185
00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,480
Speaker 1: just captivated me. Um. And then I was able to

186
00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,440
Speaker 1: watch that video again and show my mom and show

187
00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,000
Speaker 1: my dad that video, and that was just a really

188
00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,079
Speaker 1: really cool thing. So that was one of those first moments.

189
00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,560
Speaker 1: How old are you then? I think four or five

190
00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,120
Speaker 1: four and somewhere on there that I can just imagine

191
00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,199
Speaker 1: your your face. I don't know, you have a young

192
00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,439
Speaker 1: looking face as it is, but I can just sit

193
00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,080
Speaker 1: there and imagine, God, Grandpa, look look at the here.

194
00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean I have I have nephews and nieces that

195
00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,520
Speaker 1: are not nephew little cousins that are the same way. Yeah,

196
00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,400
Speaker 1: and that's that's exactly how it was to like the

197
00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,680
Speaker 1: whole time, Like, I haven't seen the video in a while,

198
00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,199
Speaker 1: but I think I watched it maybe a couple of

199
00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,560
Speaker 1: years ago. Again, my family still has it. And the

200
00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,959
Speaker 1: whole time you can hear me whispering like GP, look,

201
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,760
Speaker 1: look at the deer, Look at the deer, Look at

202
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,440
Speaker 1: the deer. And the whole time he's like Mark, Mark,

203
00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,520
Speaker 1: be quiet, Mark. So it's pretty funny. Um, that needs

204
00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,360
Speaker 1: to be online. You need to get that up, you know,

205
00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,360
Speaker 1: I really do need to find that because that's like

206
00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,160
Speaker 1: such a defining moment for me and pretty funny. Plus

207
00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,640
Speaker 1: if people saw it, looked like when I was four

208
00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,640
Speaker 1: years old, a lot of laughs. So I should try

209
00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,320
Speaker 1: to try to get that from my dad. Um, but

210
00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,200
Speaker 1: really quickly, this the second one that like just took

211
00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,600
Speaker 1: me over the edge, is something that just sticks with me,

212
00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,920
Speaker 1: or whenever I see the pictures from this night, it's

213
00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,240
Speaker 1: still just really sticks with me. Um. And this is

214
00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,840
Speaker 1: again at our camp at Ken Rohm and now I

215
00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,800
Speaker 1: was probably eight, maybe somewhere on there, and at this

216
00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,079
Speaker 1: point I was like hooked on deer camp, like hooked

217
00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,599
Speaker 1: on hunting season. Like the night before we're going to

218
00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,720
Speaker 1: go up north for the opening of gun season. I

219
00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,240
Speaker 1: was just like stoked. I remember like going on the

220
00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,920
Speaker 1: bus and like telling all my friends of going to

221
00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,160
Speaker 1: deer camp. It's deer season, going to deer Camp. And

222
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 1: nobody really knew what I was talking about or cared

223
00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,200
Speaker 1: because I grew up in the city. Um so it

224
00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,640
Speaker 1: wasn't really common thing. None of my friends did that.

225
00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,880
Speaker 1: But I was just so excited at seven or eight

226
00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,240
Speaker 1: years old. And I remember going up there and opening day.

227
00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,280
Speaker 1: One of the guys that are camp, his name was Terry.

228
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,920
Speaker 1: He was in there deep in the swamp and he

229
00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 1: shot a nice eight point buck and that was like

230
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,000
Speaker 1: probably the biggest buck I've seen to that point, nice

231
00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,679
Speaker 1: eight point. So it was always a really big deal

232
00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: when anyone at camp shot a buck. Um. You know,

233
00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,880
Speaker 1: I remember always sitting in the blind with my dad

234
00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,280
Speaker 1: and every time I heard gunshot, I'd be like, Dad,

235
00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,920
Speaker 1: was that someone you know? Was that one of our guys?

236
00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,920
Speaker 1: Was that one of our guys, and it was always

237
00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,360
Speaker 1: really really far away, and my dad was like, no, no,

238
00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,120
Speaker 1: you'll know when that. You know, you'll know when it's

239
00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,040
Speaker 1: actually close enough to be one of our guys. You'll

240
00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,719
Speaker 1: know it. Um. And then finally we're sitting there in

241
00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,680
Speaker 1: the morning and then there was just a boom that

242
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,520
Speaker 1: like made me jump out of my pants. It was

243
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,160
Speaker 1: so loud, and oh, that must be one of our guys,

244
00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,680
Speaker 1: and it was. It was Terry Um. So I just

245
00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,120
Speaker 1: remember going back to camp after the hunt that morning

246
00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,560
Speaker 1: and seeing him come dragging in with his great big

247
00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,839
Speaker 1: eight point or covered and dark, nasty black muck from

248
00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,600
Speaker 1: deep in the swamp, and we, you know, took care

249
00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,320
Speaker 1: of him, took pictures and stuff in the whole group

250
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,920
Speaker 1: of guys was all around it. We pulled him up

251
00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,600
Speaker 1: into the buck pole and I would just stand in

252
00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,240
Speaker 1: front of the buck pole for hours, like all through

253
00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,680
Speaker 1: the lunch break or lunch hour. I was just standing

254
00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:46,920
Speaker 1: next to the deer and I would just look at

255
00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,920
Speaker 1: it and touch it and spin it and walk around

256
00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,480
Speaker 1: circles and just stare at the deer. I was just

257
00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,560
Speaker 1: fascinated with it. Well, then fast forward to that night,

258
00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,160
Speaker 1: I was already really excited because Terry shot this big deer.

259
00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,720
Speaker 1: We go out, honey again, now again, like five o'clock

260
00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,080
Speaker 1: or five fifteen, boom, huge gunshot. Scares me half to death.

261
00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,199
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, Like, Dad, was that another one of

262
00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,080
Speaker 1: our guys that someone else like, yeah, yeah, that must

263
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,440
Speaker 1: have been. We got home that night or that evening

264
00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,439
Speaker 1: back into camp and you know, after dark, here comes GP,

265
00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,720
Speaker 1: my grandpa, walking in and you can see a big

266
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,200
Speaker 1: smile in his face and a little um flash I

267
00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,680
Speaker 1: think he must have had with him at the time.

268
00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,640
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, yeah, Mark, I I got a buck.

269
00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,360
Speaker 1: I got a nice buck. And I was just so excited,

270
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,960
Speaker 1: and I just remember it was just the scene of

271
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,880
Speaker 1: the night. Maybe is why I was so special, because

272
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,360
Speaker 1: it was just beautiful. It's been snowing all night, so

273
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,320
Speaker 1: it was like fresh, big puffy white snow. It was

274
00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,600
Speaker 1: one of those really clear nights. So there's a big moon.

275
00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 1: The stars were out. It was dark by now, so

276
00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,080
Speaker 1: big moon stars and it was snowing, and you know,

277
00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,400
Speaker 1: as we we all kind of got together way until

278
00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,080
Speaker 1: everyone came in from the hunt. And I remember this

279
00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,280
Speaker 1: was probably like nine seven, I think it's a year.

280
00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,080
Speaker 1: Um so we just had big kerosene like Coleman lanterns.

281
00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,000
Speaker 1: We weren't like, didn't have big powerful lanterns or anything

282
00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,640
Speaker 1: with battery power. This is like the coalman um or

283
00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480
Speaker 1: propane or whatever the heck it was um. And I

284
00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,400
Speaker 1: remember all the guys that these big lanterns, and everyone

285
00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,040
Speaker 1: trudged out to go across the creek where GP had

286
00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,520
Speaker 1: left the buck. He shot it, he recovered it, dragged

287
00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,360
Speaker 1: to the edge of the creek, and then we were

288
00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 1: all going to go out there together, take him over

289
00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,120
Speaker 1: the over to the other side of the creek, and

290
00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,320
Speaker 1: bring him back to the cabin. And I just remember

291
00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,720
Speaker 1: just being so excited walking behind all the men, you know,

292
00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,240
Speaker 1: all the adults. I was the only kid there, and

293
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,880
Speaker 1: it's like the other five or six adults, and I

294
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,000
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, like I'm a I'm a hunter now,

295
00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm here with all the men walking into the

296
00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,800
Speaker 1: woods in the middle of the night with lanterns. It's snowing,

297
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,680
Speaker 1: and we're going to see a big buck. And and

298
00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,200
Speaker 1: we come up to the edge of the creek and

299
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,320
Speaker 1: again snowing like crazy. Now it must have clouded over,

300
00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,080
Speaker 1: because I remember there's a lot of snow and I

301
00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,240
Speaker 1: always remember this image. We get to the edge of

302
00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,920
Speaker 1: the creek and my grandpa held up his lantern and

303
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,120
Speaker 1: you could just see the prettiest thing you ever saw,

304
00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,280
Speaker 1: a great big He was only seven point, but he

305
00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,920
Speaker 1: was a big, wide seven point, the biggest buck I

306
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,640
Speaker 1: ever seen. Killed up there still to this day, laying

307
00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 1: on his side. You know, it's a perfect pile of snow,

308
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,320
Speaker 1: his eyes glowing in the lantern glow. And I was

309
00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,680
Speaker 1: just like, oh, it was amazing. And the whole experience

310
00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 1: then from then going across the river, dragging him over,

311
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 1: getting him back to the cabin, getting him up on

312
00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,040
Speaker 1: the buck pole. Um, and then from there and out

313
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,800
Speaker 1: the whole rest of the weekend or however long we

314
00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,240
Speaker 1: were there, maybe four days or so. Every time I

315
00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,400
Speaker 1: wasn't hunting or eating, I was sitting next to the

316
00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,000
Speaker 1: buck pole, staring at those two bucks, thinking about it,

317
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,720
Speaker 1: dreaming about, man, someday, maybe I'll be able to get

318
00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,240
Speaker 1: a buck like that. And uh, ever, since then, I've

319
00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,680
Speaker 1: been a deer hunting nut. So how long how long

320
00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,920
Speaker 1: have you been going up to that? Ken Robin? And

321
00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:46,000
Speaker 1: I take it ken Robin is two people's last names. Well, no,

322
00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,000
Speaker 1: since um it is. So the story of ken Roan

323
00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,200
Speaker 1: really really briefly, and my grandpa bought the cabin um

324
00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,400
Speaker 1: back in the eighties, and but they've been going up

325
00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,400
Speaker 1: north to this general area for a long time since

326
00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,840
Speaker 1: the sixties. And there has been another hunting camp somewhere,

327
00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,880
Speaker 1: hunting or fishing camp that my grandpa went to at

328
00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,360
Speaker 1: one point called dun Rovan, I believe. So when he

329
00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,680
Speaker 1: bought this camp, he wanted to give it a name,

330
00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,760
Speaker 1: and I guess he remembered dun Rovan and thought that

331
00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,120
Speaker 1: was a cool name, and so he decided to switch

332
00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,280
Speaker 1: it to ken Rovan since our last name is Kenyan,

333
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,120
Speaker 1: so so that's ken Rovan. And Um, I've been going

334
00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,560
Speaker 1: there since I was probably since I was a baby,

335
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,080
Speaker 1: I was born, I mean, it was bought before I

336
00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,000
Speaker 1: was born, So as long as I can remember, we've

337
00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,560
Speaker 1: we've been going there. I mean, that's where I learned

338
00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,080
Speaker 1: to shoot a gun, That's where I learned to sit

339
00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,280
Speaker 1: in a blind. That's where I hunted for the first time.

340
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,160
Speaker 1: That's where I saw deer for the first time. That's where, um,

341
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,360
Speaker 1: that's where everything happened a lot of first So it's

342
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,080
Speaker 1: a very very special place for me cool. Yeah, I dude,

343
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,600
Speaker 1: that's uh. I love hearing stories like that. Yeah, that

344
00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,320
Speaker 1: was probably a long way to get to that. I'm

345
00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,600
Speaker 1: a I'm a rambler. It's a pretty special place. So

346
00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,880
Speaker 1: let me let me send that question back to you though, Dan,

347
00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,760
Speaker 1: do you remember that first experience that got you hooked? Man?

348
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. There there's a lot, um, there's

349
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,960
Speaker 1: a lot of them. It was kind of a hole

350
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,160
Speaker 1: my whole growing up, I didn't necessarily share the family

351
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,520
Speaker 1: type of outdoors you know, hunting type of thing. Um.

352
00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,639
Speaker 1: I remember every time I would, you know, go um

353
00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,400
Speaker 1: go with them out with my uncles, we would go um,

354
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,359
Speaker 1: we would go pheasant hunting. And when I was young

355
00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,920
Speaker 1: and my dad didn't hunt, and my mom she took

356
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,919
Speaker 1: she really didn't hunt a lot, but I remember the

357
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,600
Speaker 1: that like during the Christmas, her Thanksgiving. You can road

358
00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,640
Speaker 1: hunt in Iowa, which means you drive down the road

359
00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,359
Speaker 1: and you'll see a peasant in the field back when

360
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,840
Speaker 1: we had lots of peasants, and then the dog would

361
00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,359
Speaker 1: jump out in the ditch and you just stand on

362
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,119
Speaker 1: the road and shoot the shoot the pheasant. And I

363
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,360
Speaker 1: just remember thinking how cool I was to go out

364
00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,040
Speaker 1: with my uncles h Dana and Alan and either chick

365
00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,560
Speaker 1: check trapline or uh um or you know, I shot

366
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,280
Speaker 1: my very first pheasant with my uncle Dana. And you know,

367
00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 1: not nothing too terribly detailed, but just just a combination

368
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,640
Speaker 1: of all of those um, all of those experiences kind

369
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,399
Speaker 1: of rolled into one. Got me, got me used to

370
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,520
Speaker 1: the out you know, got me in love with the

371
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 1: outdoors that you know, I remember going camping with my dad.

372
00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:34,919
Speaker 1: Um too, real quick stories my my grandma while my

373
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,160
Speaker 1: uncle was at college. My grandma would run the trap

374
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,280
Speaker 1: line for my uncle. Is. Yeah, so here we are

375
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,960
Speaker 1: in you know, she's in hip waiters and I'm in

376
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 1: these knee high boots and I'm probably like six. My

377
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,280
Speaker 1: brother was a real young he was probably just a

378
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,960
Speaker 1: baby or you know, in one to three years old.

379
00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,679
Speaker 1: And I remember it was my job, as my grandma

380
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,640
Speaker 1: thought it was gross, if we caught a muskrat or um,

381
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,520
Speaker 1: a possum or raccoon, it was my job to club

382
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,919
Speaker 1: the animal over the head with a baseball bat. That

383
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: isn't that explains a lot of things, Dan, So so

384
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,960
Speaker 1: I just remember my grandma being like, Okay, we got one,

385
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 1: go get him, Daniel and then just whack and if

386
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: they weren't dead already. You know. The other one was

387
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 1: we used to we did, used to go fishing a lot,

388
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 1: uh And I remember I had like a Kermit the

389
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 1: frog reel again really young, and what we would do

390
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,919
Speaker 1: that years old Curmit the frog fishing pole. And what

391
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,199
Speaker 1: we used to do is in these cattle pastures up

392
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 1: in northern Iowa where I'm from, like originally we had

393
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: uh these cattle cricks, and there'd be certain points that

394
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 1: we be closer to a main river that would hold

395
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot of carp. So we would take a can

396
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: of corn and put hooks and put the colonels a

397
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 1: corn on a hook with a bobber and just throw

398
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: it out there and wait for a carp or a

399
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 1: bull head to eat it. And I remember I had

400
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 1: I saw my bobber go under, and I'm looking back

401
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 1: at my dad and I didn't say anything, but he

402
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was in the bushes to

403
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: go peer or he was tending to my mom and

404
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: younger brother at the time. But I just had caught

405
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: a huge carp and all my energy kicked in and

406
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: I didn't I forgot that I had to reel it in,

407
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: and it was so big it started pulling me into

408
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 1: the water, and I was just kept going deeper and deeper,

409
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: and finally I got to about chest high and I

410
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: go Dad, And I looked back, and my dad like

411
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,719
Speaker 1: loses his mind. He thinks I'm gonna drown. He's running

412
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 1: into the creek, splashing, and he grabs me with one hand,

413
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: grabs the pole with the other hand, and just keeps

414
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: walking backwards. And I had caught like a fourteen pound

415
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: carp and I thought that was the coolest thing. And

416
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: and then I remember my dad hitting it with a

417
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: rock and throwing it in the weeds. But but you know,

418
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: as far as the outdoors and and stuff like that,

419
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: that those are the moments that I remember, not necessarily

420
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: the perfect. I mean, I'm always gonna remember my very

421
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: first um bow kill uh with a with a dough

422
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: But um you know, I like, like I've told you,

423
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: I didn't really used to be into hunting seriously till

424
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: about two thousand and six. And what really flipped the

425
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: switch for me was and I just wrote an article

426
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: about this on on the nine finger Chronicles podcast or

427
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: nine finger Chronicles a blog. But I had like just

428
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: broken up with a girl and was kind of feeling

429
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: sorry for myself. I had lost my house, I had

430
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 1: lost my or I lost my job, which meant I

431
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: lost my house and uh um, so it's like a

432
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: giant snowball of crap hit me, and h I I

433
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: coked with that by just cannonballing into bow hunting. I

434
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: went and I spent a whole bunch of money. I

435
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: got a bow, I got an arrow. I went and

436
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: I got some tree stands, and I just remember spending

437
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: hours upon hours upon hours in the timber, not necessarily

438
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: seeing deer or even knowing really what I was doing,

439
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: but just loving every minute of it because it got

440
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: me away from the negative thoughts or the the you know,

441
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: me feeling sorry for myself. I was focused on something

442
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: different and and I used, I guess, bow hunting as

443
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: a treatment to get away from the quote unquote sadness,

444
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: and and it just it's continued to snowball ever since then.

445
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: I think I think deer hunting and bow hunting and

446
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the outdoors in general has saved a lot of people's

447
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: lives in that way. You know, there's there's a certain

448
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: healing aspect to being able to participate in something like

449
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: this that'll um it's I mean, it's a great distraction

450
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: away from negative things in your life. But then it's

451
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: also got some inherently positive things. I think that can

452
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: really um work a little bit of magic in each

453
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: one of us. So I think I had this conversation

454
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: with you at the A T A show. Uh, unfortunately

455
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: we're bullied up to a bar when I shared it.

456
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: But back in the day, when I was in my

457
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: early twenties, and you know, I wasted a lot of

458
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: my lot of my time bullied up to a bar

459
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: and you know, chasing women and doing dumb things. And

460
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: when I got into bow hunting in the outdoors, it's

461
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: just like my life shifted in in more of a

462
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: positive direction. And uh, that's a good thing. Yeah, And

463
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I think that ties in really well to another point

464
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to make about, you know, our first couple

465
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: of stories we have talked about their right, We just

466
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: talked about what was the thing that got us hooked

467
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: on the outdoors, And for each one of us, it

468
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: was small experiences when we were when we were kids.

469
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: And I think that to me just is a great

470
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: reminder of how important it is to try to get

471
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: young people out in the outdoors. And we don't need

472
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: to do anything fancy with them. We don't need to

473
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: put them in front of a big buck, they don't

474
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: need to kill anything. But just giving them the opportunity

475
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: to be out there with us, I think can make

476
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: such a huge difference. And you know, things that maybe

477
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: aren't such a big deal to us. Maybe you know,

478
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: we saw a raccoon one day and it ran really

479
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: close to our feet. To me, that'd be like a

480
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: big deal. But maybe to my nephew who was with me,

481
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, that would be a moment that he'll never forget.

482
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: These these small experiences with us, where our children or

483
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, nieces and nephews or friends or whoever it

484
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: might be a mentor hunter. It can be a really

485
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: life changing thing to get outside and to have these experiences.

486
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great reminder for you and

487
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: for everybody else, or not you, for me and for

488
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: everybody else out there listening. Um, you know how important

489
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: it is for us to try to get people out there,

490
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: try to get young people involved. Take him out hunting,

491
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: take him out hiking, take him out fishing. Um, a

492
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: little bit of time, taking out of our day can

493
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe even change someone's life because to your point, Dan,

494
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, these types of things can be a great

495
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: way to keep people from getting involved in negative things

496
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: like you know, whatever other things out there might be,

497
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: like cocaine. You know, that wasn't That wasn't the first

498
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: thing that came to mind, Crystal Math heroin. But yes,

499
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: all the above. If we can get someone deer hunting

500
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: instead of any of those, that'd be that'd be that'd

501
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: be a win today if we could do that. So yeah, um,

502
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: that's awesome though. Um. Now tying into something else you

503
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: just mentioned there, you talked about the fact that you've

504
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: just gotten a bow hunting when you were you know,

505
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: pretty old. Um, do you remember, and I'm pretty sure

506
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: you do, but can you tell us a story of

507
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: that first either the first hunt, if you remember your

508
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: first hunt, or I'm sure you remember your first kill.

509
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about either one of those? Yeah,

510
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: And I had been bow hunting since I was twelve

511
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: years old, but it wasn't the main focus in my life.

512
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in sports, and I was in

513
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: boy Scouts, and I was in um uh like church

514
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: youth group and whatnot. But but they what set it off.

515
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: And I could almost remember exactly what, um, what what

516
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: happened as far as I'll tell you my first my

517
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: first real serious hunt. I mean, I remember sitting in

518
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: the tree stand when I was younger and watching deer

519
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: walk by, and you know, I hardly ever practice, like, Okay,

520
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: here here's the story of my very first bow. My

521
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: mom and me got it. Got it at a garage sale. Okay,

522
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: I got a bail hey for my grandpa, and we

523
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: took a piece of cardboard and took a marker and

524
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: drew a circle on it. Okay, maybe maybe a five

525
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: six inch circle. I stood back at maybe fifteen yards

526
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: and uh, I drew back and I you know, it

527
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: was notice I said the word garage sale. Every every

528
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: arrow was different, every broadhead was different. I drew it

529
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: back and you'd just go like it was so loud

530
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: and just so I got like within four inches of

531
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: of that, and my mom being the person that she is, Oh, Daniel,

532
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: that's just really good. I'm like, I'm ready to go on.

533
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go on. So I don't even know

534
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: how well I was probably close to fourteen now, it

535
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: was probably between twelve and fourteen years old, and my

536
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: mom's like, so what do you do? And uh. She

537
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: she took me out into the country. She dropped me

538
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: off on a gravel road, and I said, I guess

539
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: you just kind of uh wait here until dark for me.

540
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: And I didn't ask permission. I didn't. I didn't. I

541
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: didn't ask permission to be on the property. I just

542
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's some woods. Like my mom drove

543
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: about a mile south out of town. I jumped the

544
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: fence and we'll start. Just walked into whatever random woods

545
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: I was and uh. And I sat in a fence

546
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: line and just I don't even know if I saw anything,

547
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: but I just remember my mom come. Like I could

548
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: see my mom's car. She just stood there the whole

549
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: time because I think she was nervous of me and

550
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: my first experience and just you know, being fairly young.

551
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I may assault one deer a long ways away, but

552
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, I saw some rabbits and whatnot. I came back.

553
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you know, nothing's moving today, mom. You know,

554
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: like the one article I read in Field and Stream

555
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: maybe a good hunter. Oh that's amazing. But then like

556
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: when I got into it, like I said, I was,

557
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I was just I was just, uh, you know, got

558
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: over bad time in my life, and um, I was

559
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: working landscaping with a guy and you know he let

560
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: me go earlier. I had the freedom to do whatever

561
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: I wanted. But I remember almost perfectly. I I got

562
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: in my truck, I drove to a property that my

563
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: um stepdad had permission to hunt, and he got me

564
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: on it. And I'm sitting in a drawl that splits

565
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: a CRP field in an egg field, and it's a

566
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: really deep draw and deer would just file out of

567
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: there every day. And one of the first hunts that

568
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on and it's it's one of those

569
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: cool October's. It's like the perfect tailgating weather. You know,

570
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: it's just a just a hooded sweatshirt type of day.

571
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: Is all you need, anything more than that you're too hot,

572
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: anything less than that you're cold. I remember the sun's

573
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: the sun setting and and just like the color of

574
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: fall was just so brilliant, and the light coming through

575
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: the trees, it just it made a glow that didn't

576
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: seem like normal, like the entire world had a different

577
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: hue to it. And I just remember watching the birds

578
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: fly by and just like losing myself in nature. It's

579
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: just like almost coming out of my skin, and it

580
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: just like it hit me, this is what I have

581
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: to do. This is what makes me happy, This is

582
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: this is you know, I don't even know if I

583
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: saw a lot of deer that that day, but I

584
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: just remember, like I don't know, like I was like

585
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: I was on a drug. Yeah, it just that it

586
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: almost changed my life. And I think it did change

587
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: my life. I don't know, it's uh, it's it's so deep.

588
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I can remember the detail, like I can remember the

589
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: old tree stand that was homemade that I that I

590
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: sat in. I remember the bow rope was black, like

591
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: I remember the bow I had. I remember that color

592
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: of the arrows. I mean, I remember just like the

593
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: entryway I walked into this property. And I haven't hunted

594
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: that property in in probably ten years. So just I

595
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: don't know, it's something that's gonna stick with me the

596
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: rest of my life. That's pretty cool, And I think

597
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening can probably relate

598
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: to something like that. That something like that too, you know.

599
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean for a lot of us, those same feelings

600
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: and the vibrancy of those memories. I think a lot

601
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: of us have those same types of moments and places

602
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: and experiences because because this whole this whole hunting thing

603
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: creates those types of moments. You know, it's a special thing.

604
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: That's cool, that's awesome. Well, well what what what specifically

605
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: do you want to hear about my first hunts or

606
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: my first bow hunt or kill? How about your first

607
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: how about your first kill with a bow? Alright, so

608
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: and I'll give you I'll do that. Plus I'll add

609
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: a short preview prequel I'll say. So. You know, like

610
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: I said, I was exposed to hunting since the day

611
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I was born. Um. But our family was a traditional

612
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: Northern Michigan gun hunting family. Um. You know, the basic

613
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: gist of it was my grandpa and uncles and dad

614
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: and a couple of friends would go up there the

615
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: day before gun season. They would sit down next to

616
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: a tree or ground blind maybe they built that summer,

617
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: and they would just sit there in their traditional places

618
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: and shoot the first year they saw buck, first buck

619
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: they saw. My family was not a doe hunting family

620
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: for you know, you know how it was back in

621
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: the day, a lot of people just were against shooting.

622
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Does that was kind of how it was with my family,

623
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: so I have you know, grown up doing that. Um.

624
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: But up there in northern Michigan at that time, right

625
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: around the end of the nineties, the deer population plummeted.

626
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: So it went to the point where you know, back

627
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: in the day in the seventies and eighties and early nineties,

628
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, every year there was a couple of bucks

629
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: on the buck poll. Well by the time I started,

630
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, going up there a lot. You know, the

631
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: last good season was that seven season I think that

632
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, when there was two nice seven and

633
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: eight pointers for shop. After that, it was like we

634
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: hardly saw any deer, nothing big at all. Um. I

635
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: think you know, there was a couple yearlings that were

636
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: killed after that, but like I mean, we go the

637
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: entire season and see a deer, maybe two deer, three deer, um,

638
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: one spike might be killed, or you know, we go

639
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: to three years and then a four keys killed, and

640
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: to three years and a four point or five point

641
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: or something like that. So it's really rough hunting up there, um.

642
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: And that's what I grew up with. That was the

643
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: only hunting I was exposed to until I was like

644
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen I think. And at that point though,

645
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: I was really you know, I loved hunting, was obsessed

646
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: with it, um, and I couldn't, you know. The only

647
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: way I was going was when we went up to

648
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: north to gun camp. So I convinced my dad that

649
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: we should try bow hunting. So kind of similar to you, um,

650
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't know anything about bow hunting. My

651
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: dad and I knew nothing, um. And so I just

652
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: remember my grandpa had an old longbow, like the big

653
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: old wooden, like four and a half foot tall longbow,

654
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: and that's what I was given to start with, the

655
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: same deal with you. I was shooting at like a

656
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: hay ball or some kind of target. I can't remember

657
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: exactly what it was, and it wasn't much of a shot.

658
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: But you know, for four or four years or something

659
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: like that, I hunted um with a bow behind my

660
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: parents house on the west side of Michigan. UM. So again,

661
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: the only place I had to hunt now other than

662
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: up north of our deer camp, was my family's three

663
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: and a half acre lot behind their house, so a

664
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: very small, tiny little patch timber. And that's where I

665
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: learned to bow hunt. And I saw some deer but

666
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: never could quite get close enough, couldn't get a shot.

667
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: And again, because my family was a gun hunting family.

668
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: And again kind of my whole hunting history was just

669
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: following it, following the footsteps of what my family did,

670
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: because that's all I knew. So no one ever used

671
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: tree stands. Did they make fun of you when you

672
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: started a bow hunt? No, give you a hard time,

673
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, No, they didn't. Um, my grandpa has some

674
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: reservations about it because he actually did try bow hunting

675
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: for a while. Um back I'm not sure when this

676
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: was seventies or eighties or some some point at that time,

677
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: and um, he had an experience where he wounded a

678
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: deer with a bow, hit it in the shoulder or

679
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: something like that, and it ran off. They never found it,

680
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: and that just really turned him off to bow hunting. Um.

681
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't like the idea of of wounding

682
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: an animal, didn't like the idea of the fact that

683
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, at that time, there was a lot of

684
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: discussion about the fact that bows weren't lethal enough to

685
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, humanely killed deer consistently. Um. And so I

686
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: think giving all those things, he put the bow up

687
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: and never went at again. So when I started. I

688
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: think there was a little the skepticism maybe, um, but

689
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: in general their supportive. The didn't give me a hard time.

690
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: But we didn't hunt with tree stands. None of my

691
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: family did. And my mom was like, oh, no, you

692
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: can't use the tree stands. So even though I wanted

693
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: tree stands, they said no. So I had to hunt

694
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: from a home homemade little cloth ground blind that I

695
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: made on the ground on the three acres in a

696
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: neighborhood behind my parents house. And that's how I bow

697
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: hunted for the first like four years. And I remember,

698
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, seeing a couple of dairy nothing big, but

699
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: seeing dear having close calls. But finally I had my

700
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: first encounter with a big buck and it really was

701
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: a pretty decent buck. Um. I was probably sixteen, maybe

702
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly, some fifteen sixteen somewhere on there. Um.

703
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: And I remember the way we built our ground blinds

704
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: is we had old ski poles and we had like

705
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: camouflage like berber fabric, and we would just take like

706
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: four ski poles, four sticks, and stretch that camouflage fabric

707
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: across those and staple them so you'd have Yeah, and

708
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: so you have a bundle so you could roll it up.

709
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: So you'd roll it up, and then when I got

710
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: to ever I wanted to go, I would unroll it,

711
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: put one stick in the ground, pull the camouflage top,

712
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: put another stick in the ground, pulled over camouflage top,

713
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: put another and that kind of wrapped that around me

714
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: and sit in front of the tree and have that

715
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: kind of half circle in front of me. So I'm

716
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: sitting there with my great, big longbow, sitting behind my

717
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: camouflage fabric, and I remember this little creek to the

718
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: right hand side, and it was probably middle October, late October,

719
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: and it was one of those kind of like you mentioned,

720
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: a beautiful morning, just perfect autumn colors, but really crisp.

721
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: It was still one of those crisp, cold, frosty mornings.

722
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: And I remember looking to my redit cat flash movement,

723
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: and on the other side of this creek was a

724
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: little finger, a little point on the other side, and

725
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: I just saw this big deer step out on top

726
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: of this finger and turn his head towards me, and

727
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking it was the biggest stair I'd

728
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life, and it was probably I

729
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: think it was a ten pointer Um. At that time,

730
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I had no idea, you know, how to score a

731
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: dear at all. Um. But looking back on it, if

732
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: my memories, if my memory served me right, he was

733
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: probably a hundred hundred ten inches maybe something like that.

734
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: But to me, that was like a giant. I've never

735
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: seen anything like that up north or anywhere. So I

736
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. I started freaking out, shivering

737
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: and shaking, and he comes across the creek, drops down low,

738
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: comes up the other side, and I can I can

739
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: still just see him pop up over the side and

740
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: just start coming towards me. I was like, holy smokes,

741
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna happen. And to that point, I

742
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: hadn't killed a deer yet because again, my family wasn't,

743
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, into killing does. So I could have shot

744
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: a million does, but I never did. So I was like,

745
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for a buck. A decent buck was gonna

746
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: my first year. So this big box coming across. He

747
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: gets to probably I don't know, twenty or thirty yards

748
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: and he's he's walking down in front of me, um,

749
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: and I remember getting my bow drawn and I was

750
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: kind of following him because he was moving from right

751
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: to left across the front of me. I have the

752
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: bow drone, and I'm following him with my arrow um

753
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: as he goes across, but waiting for him to stop.

754
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: But as I'm following him my bows moving from right

755
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: to left, I've got these ski poles that are sticking

756
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: up every two feet and I'm watching the deer not

757
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: paying attention to my arrow. And I moved my bow

758
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: and my arrow right into the ski pole, knocked the

759
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: arrow off. It clatters down, makes a commotion, and this

760
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: this decent buck goes running off. And that was my

761
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: first failed big bucking counter. Was it your last one? Yeah,

762
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: well definitely not my last failed encounter um at all really,

763
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: But then you know, so first bow kill. This was

764
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: now a couple of years after that, I didn't I

765
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: don't have my first bow kill to my late teens. Um.

766
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: And this is another one of those haunts I can

767
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: remember really really well. UM back down the same area

768
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: down that we called it the flats. This is, like

769
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: I said again, basically a neighborhood with some woods behind it.

770
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: But the houses were all up on a big hill

771
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and then dropped down into this low kind of creek

772
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: valley creek bottom and Um, I was down that bottom

773
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: and the flats, and these deer would always come off

774
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: the ridge and then kind of cut down into the

775
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: flats and the evening and in the mornings they would

776
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: come from the flats and go up and bed up

777
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: on the ridge. So I was sitting there in the

778
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: evening and I thought I had things figured out. I

779
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm in this spot. I figured

780
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: this is this is a funnel. At that point I

781
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: knew what a funnel was, and like, I'm in a

782
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: funnel location. It was the Rut. It was sometime in November,

783
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I think early November. I'm like, I'm gonna kill a deer.

784
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: And again I was in one of my little Actually

785
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: this this is a ground blind still but it was

786
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: a pop up. I finally bought my first, like pop

787
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: up ground blind basic, one of the first ones. And um,

788
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there all decked out and excited, probably

789
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon, and I looked to my

790
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: left and I see like white flash of whites and

791
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: my car. There's a deer coming and I realized it's

792
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: a dog. It's a big white dog, and behind it

793
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: is two people, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I

794
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: was so mad, like, what are these people doing down here?

795
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: They're walking right through my family's property at this point.

796
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: Must have been getting closer primetime, because I remember thinking

797
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: they're ruining the entire night's hunt. I was furious. And

798
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: so they come walk there just their dog for the evening.

799
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: And again, this is the neighborhood, so it wasn't like

800
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: it was totally out of the ordinary for, you know,

801
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: there to be people walking around the woods, but it

802
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: was the first time I had had that happening when

803
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I was hunting down there. And so I get out

804
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: of my blind with my bow and arrow on the boat,

805
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: and I like storm over to them, like this is

806
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: private property. You guys can't be out here, blah blah blah.

807
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: I was just really fired up and upset. Um. And

808
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: they were telling me, well, it's you know, I don't

809
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: some ordinance because of our neighborhood supposed but you could

810
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: walk through this portion of the area. I don't know

811
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: what the deal is, but they claimed to say that

812
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: they were still okay to be there. I said they

813
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: couldn't be there, and I was just fuming because my

814
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: whole hunt was ruined. Um. Well, I end up going up,

815
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: but going back to the blind, they walked around, went

816
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: their way, and I just remember thinking, the whole night's shot,

817
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna see anything. But the evening kind of

818
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: came to a close. It was starting to get dark,

819
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: and I thought I had I've got like ten minutes

820
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: left or something, so I'm like, well, why not just

821
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 1: try a little rattle. I had a little rattling bag

822
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: at that At that time, I was really big on calls. UM,

823
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: so I like rattled or grunted like every twenty minutes

824
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: out like and um. I tried a little rattling sequence

825
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: there at the very end of the night, and like

826
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes later, I saw a shape come

827
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: over the hill and it was a little four pointer,

828
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: and then right behind it was another buck like a

829
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: six pointer, and I was like, heck, yes, like this

830
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: is it and they came right down, kind of quartering

831
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: towards me, and I remember drawing, and it was one

832
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: of those things where you know, I think a lot

833
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: of people can can relate their first couple maybe their

834
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: first couple of hunts. You kind of black out. It

835
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: was like such a crazy moment. I don't really remember

836
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: what happened. I just remember there was a deer I saw.

837
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: I drew back, the pin was on him, and I

838
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: let it go, and he just took off running, and

839
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: I was freaking out, couldn't believe I just shot this deer.

840
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: And I remember then going, you know, I heard him run.

841
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I thought I heard him crash, but I wasn't exactly sure, um,

842
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, if he did, and I hadn't seen him

843
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: go down, So I wait a little bit. At went

844
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: back up to the house, and I remember telling my

845
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: dad all about and being so excited and um, you know,

846
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: expecting him to be really excited, but he was all

847
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: nervous and upset because of my my confrontation with the neighbor.

848
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: So he was like, well, why did you go towards

849
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: why did you yell at him, or why did you

850
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: go out there with your bow? And he was all

851
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: worried because, you know, again we were in a neighborhood

852
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: and we were allowed to you know, legally, we were

853
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: allowed to hunt there. Um. But he was always worried

854
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: at the neighbors start complaining. You know, he didn't want

855
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: to cause trouble, um, So he was all worried about that,

856
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: and so we kind of got in a fight about it,

857
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: and then I wanted to go down there in the

858
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: track of the deer, and I had had big flashlights.

859
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: He's no, I don't want a bunch of big flashlights

860
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: down there because the neighbor is going to see. So

861
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: it's a whole, whole whole or deal with that. But

862
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: in the end it was good and we actually went

863
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: to where I heard that crashing and he was there,

864
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, one thing I do remember is

865
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: when I finally I saw the deer lying there dead,

866
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: it was like shock like it was. It was definitely

867
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I was taken him back by it and almost like

868
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: that is that it like that? It didn't even feel

869
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: it goes my dear like a deer eight shot. I

870
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: was like, is that that can't be it? And UM,

871
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: I definitely felt like, you know, I'm not I'm still

872
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: not sure what the words are you all the all

873
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: the things that still you know, to a degree we

874
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: feel some sense of remorse and sadness and appreciation for

875
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: that life, but um, you know, realizing that that life

876
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: has been taken. Um, So just it was a whole

877
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: lot of emotions, I'm sure, and um and that was it.

878
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: It was kind of a crazy hunt, but it came together,

879
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: and um, it's cool. It's cool, and those small parcels

880
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: offer some good stories. I know a couple of guys

881
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: who hunt um in some you know, heavy residential areas,

882
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: and they tell me the crazy stuff you see from

883
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: a tree stand in the middle of like a suburbia

884
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: can be uh, can be interesting to say the least. Yeah,

885
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: I h I know a lot of guys do it

886
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: now still, and they're really successful doing it. But I

887
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: kind of I like being away from people like I

888
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: just it's it's frustrating to deal with that stuff. And

889
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people do with it, and

890
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: God bless them. But if I can help, if I

891
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: can help it, I like to be a from that

892
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: as much as I still have dog issues in a

893
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: lot of places I hunt, and that drives me nuts

894
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: when dogs come running through. But um, I really like

895
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: as much as possible just not to have to see

896
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: people what I know. That's that's one thing I like.

897
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: So So we've talked a lot here about our first

898
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: hunts and first experiences and little bucks and first first

899
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: things and everything, But what about some of our bigger,

900
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: dear encounters or anything. I don't know. Dan, there's one

901
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: story in general or specific I'm thinking of for you,

902
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you want to tell this

903
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: story or not. But I don't think we have told

904
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: it in much detail. But have we Have you told

905
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the shipwreck story? I don't think I have. Um, that

906
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: buck changed my life. I mean, I learned so much

907
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: about big mature gear through hunting that specific buck over

908
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: a five year period. It's it's made me the hunter

909
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: that I am today based off the decisions that I made,

910
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: how I hunt, the wind, directions where I hunt, pinch points,

911
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: travel corridors. Um, it's hard to describe. I mean, he

912
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: he gave. He gave me an education, and unfortunately I

913
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: wasn't able to harvest this buff, but but I gained

914
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, he means so much to me

915
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: that hell, I named my business after him. I I

916
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just it's it's one of those things

917
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: where the journey is more was more important for me

918
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: than the than the final the end, I guess you

919
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: could say, but I'll just run through it. Um. I

920
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: remember one year, I always drove by this pizza property

921
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: several several times to go out to another piece of

922
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: property that I hunted, and all it was it was

923
00:46:53,760 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: three CRP fields um and to three skinny draws that

924
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: would lead to a fence line, and behind it was

925
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: another wide open CRP field. And you know, people don't

926
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: associate CRP fields with holding deer. And I would see

927
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: a lot of deer in the CRP fields, and I

928
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: would drive by him every night and every morning, and

929
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: and the third year I was driving by this property,

930
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: I look and I see a good one fifty class

931
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: bucks sitting there, and I'm going, man, I'm gonna go

932
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: find out who owns this property. So I went to

933
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: the courthouse, got a plat map, and UH ended up

934
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: finding who the owner was, knocked on his door and

935
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: got got permission to hunt it. So I remember there,

936
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: remember hunting there the first couple of times and seeing

937
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: a lot of deer moving my tree, stand around and

938
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: try to find the right spot. And over the course

939
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: of the first week the first year I hunted there,

940
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: the first week in November, I saw, I want to say,

941
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: five deer over over one seventy uh five five five

942
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: deer five deer over. Can I tell you something? You

943
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: call your if you call bullshit. That's fine, you can

944
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: call it. I'm not even gonna call bullshit. I'm just

945
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: gonna say that is stupid, that's dumb. So I'm sitting

946
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: here going, what the hell? So this this spot is

947
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: completely overlooked. It's between an interstate and like a lumber

948
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: yard and another company that makes this is out in

949
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: the country, and it's on one of the busiest roads

950
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: in the county. And so I'm sitting here going, why

951
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: are there no I mean, there's no other tree stands

952
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: in the in the on this property. There's no tracks

953
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: or signed to anybody's ever been here. The timbers wide open.

954
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: So what made this spot good is it connected just

955
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: by a small fifty yard kind of pinch point to

956
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: another gigantic piece of really thick property and all the

957
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: way down to a river and another main road. And

958
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: this it held a ton of deer. I mean I

959
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: saw fifteen deer over probably one forty that year. Now

960
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: is all the activity that you're seeing or we're seeing

961
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: there during the rut? Yeah? It was during the rut

962
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: and I had I just got my first trail camera

963
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: that year, so um, so I set it up in

964
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: a pinch point and I was I was getting some

965
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: of the smaller deer on it, but I wasn't getting

966
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: any of the big bucks. And one buck. I remember

967
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: watching a whole bunch of movement and seen signs and

968
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: scrapes in this one corner where the one drawl would

969
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: connect to the big chunk of timber, and I go,

970
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I gotta get a tree stand there. So I set

971
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: up a tree stand in uh in a a group

972
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: of three trees, two of them were dead, and in

973
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: the bottom of it was a bee hive and I

974
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: had to crawl up up the tree stand to a

975
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: bee hive. And in like two thousand and seven, I

976
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: think it was the first year that I I saw

977
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: UM that I was uh hung there a majority of

978
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: the deer I saw We're at a distance and coming

979
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: across different parts of these CRP fields, and I was

980
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: doing a lot of playing cat and mouse, but basically

981
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: set up an observation stands. So I made the move

982
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: in one night to see or just try to catch

983
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: one of the deer that I had seen come in

984
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: and out of this place um previous hunts. And I

985
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: had my had the wind blowing into the CRP field

986
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: kind of at a southeast angle and here down, here

987
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: comes uh, here comes a deer walks by small buck.

988
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: About twenty minutes later, I rattle and then I do

989
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: a grunt, and here comes two more bucks out of

990
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: this really thick stuff. And then out of the corner

991
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: of my eye, I catch a split G two, like

992
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: a really big G two. And I turned around and

993
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm actually filming filming at this point, and it is

994
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: the biggest one. It's uh. At that time, I think

995
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: shipwreck was probably one seventies and uh as a as

996
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: probably a four year old. And um, he comes through.

997
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him on camera. I let him

998
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: walk through one of my shooting lanes once again, another

999
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: example of the Dane cameras. Yeah, exactly. So he comes up,

1000
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: he stops right behind a tree, and by this time

1001
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: he's at ten yards. I draw back. The only shot

1002
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: I had was at from like the very last rib

1003
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: to the hind quarters, and I said, I can't take

1004
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: that shot. He needs to take one step backwards or

1005
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: two steps out because he wanted to go check out

1006
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: in the CRP field see where this noise is coming from.

1007
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the works wind must

1008
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: have swirled and no, I mean he took off, and

1009
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, that was the biggest

1010
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: buck I ever shot, or ever like at that time

1011
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: had seen there. There only been a couple other bucks

1012
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: bigger than that that I've ever seen, and and it

1013
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my gosh, this spot hold.

1014
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: So I continued hunting the rest of the year. I

1015
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: didn't see him one another time. I set up trail

1016
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: cameras UM the following year and to hope it was

1017
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: some mineral, hope hopefully I would catch him. I didn't

1018
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: catch him. I got one trail camera picture of him

1019
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, and that was um. He

1020
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: had broken off one of his sides and it was

1021
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: over top of a pile of corn. Two thousand and nine,

1022
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: rolls around and um I I started the chase for

1023
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: him again, and one of my good friends, Kyle, who

1024
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: was filming me this this particular day. UM. I started

1025
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: focusing a lot of attention on this property for for

1026
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: good reasons. But over the years, the number of mature

1027
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: deer started disappearing. I think a lot of it had

1028
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: to do with a shipwreck being so dominant that he

1029
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: started kicking all these other bucks out and be I

1030
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: think the words started to get out of this area,

1031
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: and how many deer we're getting, how many big bucks

1032
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: reading hit by cars on the on the interstate, and

1033
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: how many people were starting to see them. So shipwreck,

1034
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there one night and uh, on a northwest wind,

1035
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with Kyle. We're filming this hunt, and all

1036
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden he uh. I had seen him like

1037
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: two nights before in different in different different tree stands,

1038
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: and on this typical north northwest wind, there was a

1039
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: particular draw that would that run ran right across or

1040
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: right parallel with the CRP field all the way down

1041
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: into the creek. And there, all of a sudden, I

1042
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: heard three dos pop out, you know, some noise. They

1043
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: were kind of trotting through this thick stuff that led

1044
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: up to an open patch of timber where these draws met,

1045
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: and that's where my tree stand was at. And one

1046
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: dough comes out through a shooting lane, The next dough

1047
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: comes out through a shooting lane, The next dough comes

1048
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: out through a shooting lane. And I looked back into

1049
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: this thicket and there their shipwreck. At this at this time,

1050
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: he's probably one nine and go ahead is this is

1051
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: this the video where he's off to your left side

1052
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: and the timber a little bit. Yep, he's off to

1053
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: the left side and the timber and he just holds

1054
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: up and he's he's sitting there and he's watching these

1055
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: dos walk off, and I'm thinking, I'm gonna have a

1056
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: crack at him. At twenty five yards, he's gonna walk

1057
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: through this treet, he's gonna follow these doughs right out

1058
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: up in this draw and uh, he stops at about

1059
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: forty yards, but he's in some thick some thick brush,

1060
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: and he just sits there and he's so patient, and

1061
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: he waits, puts his nose in the air, and by

1062
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: this time I knew it was him, and I'm just like, like,

1063
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: for some reason, I was completely calm. I didn't have

1064
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: buck fever at all. And and then all of a sudden,

1065
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: he's he steps out and he walks away from me,

1066
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: right on the edge of the thick stuff where it

1067
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: opens up and just disappears. And I'm just like, oh

1068
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: my god. So of course I'm thinking he doesn't. He

1069
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: didn't bust me anything like that. Hunted the rest of

1070
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: the year, didn't. I didn't find you know, didn't I

1071
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't see him, and okay, so too. So I become

1072
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: good friends with one of the landowners who borders the property,

1073
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: and he lets me know that they found they find

1074
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: his sheds. Some turkey hunters had found his sheds in

1075
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: the spring of two thousand and ten, and I think

1076
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: my years are right here. But so again I start popping.

1077
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: I buy more trail cameras, I get trail cameras out there,

1078
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: I get mineral station, and sure enough he's there. This

1079
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: year he was two d or that year two thousand

1080
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: and ten he got to about two inches. And so

1081
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: so my buddy Ryan is now filming me and we're back.

1082
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: Like I I had. I pretty much put all my

1083
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: all my energy towards this one buck. So two thousand

1084
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: and it's two thousand and ten. I've been hunting this

1085
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: deer for you know, almost four years now, four straight seasons,

1086
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: and and so now this buck is becoming like a

1087
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: legend in my eyes, you know, and being able to

1088
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: share that legend with friends and then showing him the

1089
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: show camera pictures and whatnot. And I you know, we

1090
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: we played cat and mouse with him a lot. We

1091
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: saw him in one draw, so we moved over there

1092
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: the next day. And you know, these deer are so smart.

1093
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: He was so smart. He would use the slightest bit

1094
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: of wind change would result in him doing a completely

1095
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: different thing. And so I kinda I'm looking here, and

1096
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to gain access to a different

1097
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: piece of property. So I contact this other person and

1098
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: I get permission to hunt it. So I bounced around

1099
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: and probably a fifty to sixty i'd say a hundred

1100
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: square acres, No, I'd say I'd say probably a fifty

1101
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: square fifty acres of like two pinch points. And that's

1102
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: the only trees. It's in a giant CRP field. And

1103
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: I finally get into this big oak tree. I'm setting

1104
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: up there, and it's my it's my birthday, November five,

1105
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: and I'm setting up there strictly as an observation stand.

1106
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: The wind was kind of wrong for what I wanted

1107
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: it to be, and I'm watching all these dear funnel

1108
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: up up top where I had my encounter with him

1109
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: the previous year. So I'm like, tonight, if this wind

1110
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: stays the same, we're going back up into that tree stand.

1111
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: And it was a morning hunt, and all of a sudden,

1112
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: I look out the corner of my eye. It's like

1113
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the afternoon. At nine o'clock in the morning,

1114
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: and I look out the corner of my eye and

1115
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you just know who

1116
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: it is. I looked behind. I go Ryan at shipwreck,

1117
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: get ready because I'm shooting him, whether you're ready or not.

1118
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: And he comes out and he I just remember, I

1119
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: just remember him catching his antler on a on a

1120
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: low hanging branch and he had to pick his head

1121
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: up and trying to, you know, force it through, force

1122
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: his antlers through, And it was just the most glorious

1123
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: sight I had ever seen in my life. What's he

1124
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: look like at this point at this age, Like, tell

1125
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: me about the body and the antlers and everything. He

1126
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: said it was over two inches. But what kind of

1127
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: rack are we talking about? What's this dear look like?

1128
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: Coming through? Okay? So he's like a main frame eleven

1129
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: with junk all over the place. This year, that year

1130
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: that I that I had the encounter with him. Um

1131
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 1: he had he had like little drop times. He had

1132
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: um jump coming off his bases. He had kickers off

1133
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: of his G twos and threes, and his main beams.

1134
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: One main beam was just like a normal antler, and

1135
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: the other main beam would just was all mass and

1136
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: it swept straight up. You know, you look at the

1137
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: sheds and it's a completely different. Dear. You would say

1138
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: these antlers don't go together, but they did. Um. He

1139
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: had a really big split G two on his geez

1140
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: I should know this on his right side and uh

1141
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: kickers off off it and UM what I what I'll

1142
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: do is I'll give you a picture of him in

1143
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: his glory and you can, uh, you can post it.

1144
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: But he comes out twenty two yards dead broadside and

1145
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: I draw back. I settled the pin and I and

1146
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I I I had let

1147
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: the moment get away from me because it's just like

1148
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: four years all built up and now this is my moment.

1149
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Right So you know, like how I said said, I've

1150
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: talked to you before, I'm like, act like you've been there.

1151
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: I had never been there. I wasn't acting like I've

1152
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: ever been there, and I was like I was kind

1153
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: of shaken. But I remember taking an extra and I

1154
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 1: released the arrow and it hit him and he kind

1155
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: of dropped down. He rolled and not like you know,

1156
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: not rolled on the ground, but he took that big dip,

1157
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, like the bolt the pre bolt stride where

1158
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: they ducked down and then they just roll out and

1159
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: and he he disappeared into the into the timber, and

1160
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: I lost my mind. Tell me about that. I was crying,

1161
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: I will. I looked back to Ryan and I'm just

1162
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: like what. I didn't know what to say. I didn't

1163
01:01:54,200 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: know what to do. I I I had this feeling.

1164
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because the only thing that I

1165
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: can really relate it to is like the first time

1166
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: you've ever had sex. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's

1167
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: like that. It's just like, it's like, oh my god,

1168
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: this just happened. I want to give myself a high five.

1169
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: I want to like break down. I'm just like and

1170
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: then and then all the years of stories and stuff

1171
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: like that, and I'm just like, oh my god, this

1172
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: is this. It happened. It happened. I get down on

1173
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: the tree and I'm just like, because I swear I

1174
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: hit him a little high, but at the angle I

1175
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: was at, I'm like, dude, I got good penetration. I

1176
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: had eleven inches of penetration on him. I'm I'm thinking,

1177
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 1: I go down, I get the arrow. I wasn't staying

1178
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: dead deer quite yet, but I crawled out of the

1179
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: tree and went to the impact site. I found the arrow.

1180
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: He had the broad head in about five inches of

1181
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: arrows still in him. And then so what I did

1182
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: was I put the two arrows together. I measured, um

1183
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: what I felt was penetration, and then how how much

1184
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: was still in him because the arrow broke and about

1185
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: eleven inches of penetration and the broadhead was still in him.

1186
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: And at the site there was good blood. There was

1187
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: good blood, you know. So anyway, I backed out, got

1188
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: some friends to help. Um. We we followed the blood trail,

1189
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, good blood, good blood, good blood, paint

1190
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: blood with bubbles in it. And I'm just like, oh

1191
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: my god, yes, I mean, I'm just I can't wait

1192
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: to walk up on him. And and all of a

1193
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: sudden we crossed this little ditch and he rubs his

1194
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: body up against a tree and it's just soaking in blood.

1195
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: He comes up out of the ditch, no more blood.

1196
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: And I felt, at that moment, I'm just like what happened?

1197
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: Like at that point, I started replaying, replaying and replaying

1198
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: and replaying this into my head over and over and

1199
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: over and over again. And I know this story is

1200
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: kind of dragged out, but I just remember someone pulling

1201
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: the life out of me. And although I didn't want

1202
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: to admit it, I had a gut feeling at that

1203
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: time that was You're not going to find him. That's

1204
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: the worst feeling. And I've had other instances like this

1205
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: with dear, but that particular moment it was different because

1206
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: I had such a huge history with this dear and

1207
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: it was almost like I felt guilty for not killing

1208
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: him because I just wounded him and he's gonna die

1209
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna find his corpse during shed season or

1210
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: whatever and end. So the next the next part of

1211
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 1: this story will be real fast. But I dumped Corn

1212
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: out after the seasons over. Anyway, I don't find him, Okay.

1213
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: It tears me up. And from the very first moment

1214
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: I ever saw shipwreck in two thousand and seven untill

1215
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: to this day, I still think about that buck every

1216
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: day now that he's dead, because the following year, the

1217
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: property owner to the next the next property owner shot him,

1218
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: who was the same Colora. He's well renowned um in

1219
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: the kind of industry as a big buck killer. This

1220
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: is his, that was his, like thirder He's ever shot

1221
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: and North American White Tail cover, third third North American

1222
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: White Tail cover. The cool part about this is the

1223
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: story of that deer in North American White Tail is

1224
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: not about a big buck getting killed. It's about the

1225
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: history of that deer and the friendship that became of it.

1226
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: Because like between me and Sam, because a lot of this,

1227
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people would be jealous. Because he called

1228
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: me up at work and he's like, Dan, I got

1229
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: some bad news for you, slash good news for me,

1230
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and I knew exactly what I was talking about. He

1231
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: had killed the deer and I was one of the

1232
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: first people that he called and I thought that was

1233
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: so awesome. Yeah, And I don't know, did you happen

1234
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: to read the story? Thank you? So like the story.

1235
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: It's not really about a big deer getting shot. It's

1236
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: about the history of this deer and what it meant

1237
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: to the people who who were in this dear's life.

1238
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's really cool. Yeah, I do too.

1239
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: The story the story was really really well done, and

1240
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: one of our past podcast guests, Scott Bestel, wrote that

1241
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: story right he interviewed me. And I remember, it's it's

1242
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: crazy just how all that works. But even though I

1243
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: didn't kill that deer, the education I got from him

1244
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: is worth way more than any mount on a wall

1245
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: can ever can ever give you. And and like I said,

1246
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: and and sorry for that this story took so long,

1247
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: But it's one of those stories that you have to

1248
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: tell it a certain way or it's not worth getting told. Yeah, no,

1249
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: absolutely so I think, um, something interesting you said that, right,

1250
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: you said, this story and that experience is worth you know,

1251
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: even more than having you know, a buck on a

1252
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: wall on the wall, right. And I think you know

1253
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of non hunters see

1254
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 1: deer on the wall and like you know that that's

1255
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: a you know, some kind of sick trophy hunter just

1256
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: kills all his deer just to put their head on

1257
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: the wall to have some decorations and etcetera, etcetera. Um.

1258
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: But I think what it really is, at least for me,

1259
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of guys I know, UM,

1260
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: is that that it's not just a trophy. It's it's

1261
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: the memories, it's the story, it's the experience. And every

1262
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: time you see that, you think through all those things,

1263
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: and for you, because you had such a rich experience

1264
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: is such a deep story in history. You don't need

1265
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: that symbol on the wall. You have the pictures and

1266
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: the memories and the experiences that will live with you forever.

1267
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: That that means so much, and that that's pretty great.

1268
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: You know, he's still he's your buck in some way

1269
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: because of the impact that deer and that hunt head

1270
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: on you. And that's it's pretty cool. And I think

1271
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: it's really cool how you handled that whole situation. How

1272
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: um the right word is, but how not like an

1273
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: ass that you were to to Sam about it. And

1274
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: you could have been upset, and you could have been

1275
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: jealous and all these different things. And I'm sure there

1276
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: might have been a little bit of you that was

1277
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: bumming that it wasn't you right, But still, you know,

1278
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: you handle like a champ and you took that experience

1279
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: and you learned from it. It became a better hunter

1280
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: because of it, and uh, I think that's that's the

1281
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: right way to handle it. And that's really the only

1282
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: positive way you can, you know, move from a situation

1283
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: like that. I think one of the coolest things to

1284
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: this whole story is I remember going into Sam shop

1285
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: and to personally congratulate him and just be like, man,

1286
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: this is, this is I'm so happy for you. And

1287
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted to tell him how much that

1288
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: buck meant to me, and he knew he knew how

1289
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: much it meant to me, and two things he told

1290
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: For two things, he said, Hey, I want to show

1291
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: you something in my back. Here. He took me in

1292
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: the back and he showed me as antlers and I

1293
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:43,440
Speaker 1: got to touch and hold shipwreck and look at him

1294
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: from that the year that Sam shot him and hold

1295
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: the skull amountain and I broke down. It was like,

1296
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: although I am not the reason behind its death, I

1297
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: feel like I had been a part of this buck's life,

1298
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: and uh it was. It was pretty cool. Now. The

1299
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: second thing I wish you would have never told me

1300
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: was he goes, yeah, uh you shot him. Here's a

1301
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: scar where the scar was here, there's a scar in here.

1302
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: Uh you definitely hit one of his lungs. And I

1303
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: have no idea how this buck survived your shot. And

1304
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: I'm just like the son of a bitch, I wish

1305
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: you never told me because for the rest for the

1306
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: rest of that like that day at work. I was

1307
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: sitting at my computer and I just was like, you know,

1308
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: you don't ever want to think like this, but one

1309
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: inch one inch down, half inch down, half inch to

1310
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: the left, half inch to the right or whatever. Oh yeah,

1311
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: and it's eat you up a little bit. But that

1312
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: only lasts for so long and then yeah, you got

1313
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: you gotta move on, eventually move on. But you know,

1314
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: to this day, when I sit there and uh um,

1315
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: when I sit there and I'm setting up tree stands

1316
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: where I'm thinking of what what wind to play, you

1317
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 1: know in a certain area, I always think kind of

1318
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: what would shipwreck do type of scenario, and it's it's

1319
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: helped me. It's it has helped me over the years

1320
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: get really close to some pretty big deer. And although

1321
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: I don't have a you know, an impressive wall of mounts,

1322
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: I've I've had encounters with some tons, tons of world

1323
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: class animals based on my education that shipwreck gave me.

1324
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: That is, and that's that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool. Well, uh,

1325
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: I don't have a story that can really match that down,

1326
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: but it's not about that's my story, you know what

1327
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: I mean. And just like the listeners out there, you've

1328
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: got to make your own stories, you know, and it's

1329
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: it's not about what this guy or the next guy does.

1330
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: It's about what you do. And that's really all the matters.

1331
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: Who cares if you know, big name Buck Hunter has

1332
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: killed for four booners, what are you doing because you're

1333
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: not going to share, you know, for me, I'm not

1334
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: going to share Mark k no offense, but I'm not

1335
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: going to share Mark Kenyon stories with my kids. I'm

1336
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: going to share my stories with my kids, just like

1337
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna stare your stories with your kids. And I

1338
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: don't know. That's just my two cents. I think you're

1339
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: spot on. I think that's so important because we talked

1340
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: about this a lot. But so many people see what's

1341
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: on TV and the DVDs and on the magazines, and

1342
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: they feel like that they need to be shooting those

1343
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: kinds of deer or seeing those kinds of deer to

1344
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: to have a story worth telling or to have a

1345
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: hunt worth talking about. And that's just not the truth.

1346
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: You know, You've got to chase what's what gets you

1347
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: excited and what makes you happy and what challenges you

1348
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: and brings you fulfillment, and and do that and do

1349
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: it unapologetically, and I think that's what I encourage everyone

1350
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: to do. So what do you think, dan Um? What

1351
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of story do you want me to tell? Do

1352
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: you want to give you a you know how about this?

1353
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: We've had it? Really I was a really deep story,

1354
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: important story, a life lesson story. Do you want to

1355
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: hear a kind of funny story? I love funny stories,

1356
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: and you're gonna You're probably gonna say, damn, that's in

1357
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: this is inappropriate. But any story like that has to

1358
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: do with pooping from a tree stand. I find those.

1359
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: I find those hilarious. So if you have one of those,

1360
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. But if not, you know,

1361
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish I had another good pooping from

1362
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: a tree stand story for you, But I can't beat

1363
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: the one you told earlier when you were letting letting

1364
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: it go while Ryan was sitting there next to you.

1365
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: I can't match that. I did have to like I

1366
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: should have just done what you did. And when we

1367
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: can't do another episode where talked about pooping on tree

1368
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: stand so I'm just gonna move on, or we should

1369
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: have one episode entirely dedicated to pooping out. Oh this

1370
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: might this podcast might even get a PG thirteen rating, right,

1371
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: we might need to a just the writing scale here.

1372
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: So here here's a funny story. Um, I don't. I'm

1373
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: pretty sure I haven't. I have not told this story

1374
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but I have been a guest on

1375
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: a couple other podcasts where I have told the story.

1376
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: So if you heard one of those times, I apologize,

1377
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: but I gotta tell it just for the general listener

1378
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: group here on Weird Hunt. Dan, I don't you tell

1379
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: me if I've told you this one. But I don't

1380
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: think I did to ever tell you the story about um,

1381
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: the deer hunting story I told my colleagues at my

1382
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: my old day job. I don't. I don't think so.

1383
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I remember you telling them the shed

1384
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: hunting story and they actually they thought she hunting. You're

1385
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: going to go out and build find a building. So

1386
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: so that that's good context for the story, because right,

1387
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: this is the same people. So you know, I got

1388
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: this job out of college with a big tech company

1389
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 1: out in cel Konda Valley, so out there south of

1390
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: San Francisco in California, and the ship me out there

1391
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: and we lived in these kind of corporate apartments for

1392
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: the for four or five months while I was working there,

1393
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: and all of us that all start together all kind

1394
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: of lived together in these apartments and we have like

1395
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: potlucks every Friday and all this stuff. So of course

1396
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who works for this company that

1397
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: does anything outdoors or the hunts or anything like that,

1398
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of like, who is this guy?

1399
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: He's a wild man um, So they they asked me

1400
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: the last questions. So eventually we had one of these

1401
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: potlock dinners, and at this point I was like dying

1402
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: like this. This is kind of when Wired to Hunt

1403
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: really took off. Because I couldn't hunt. I couldn't do

1404
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: all these things I love to do. So I would

1405
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: just work all day and then come back to my

1406
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: little apartment and just work on weird hunt all night,

1407
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: for like eight hours a night. So I went to

1408
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: this little dinner and there was like maybe twenty of

1409
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: these people that I worked with all there, and somehow

1410
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: someone was like, tell us a deer hunting story, mark Um.

1411
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, they've never heard a deer hunting story before.

1412
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, okay, I'll tell you a story.

1413
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: So I kind of stand up and you know, I

1414
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: can sometimes be a little bit of a ham So

1415
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: I really had. I realized I had, like the audience,

1416
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: the perfect audience for a story like this. So I

1417
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: stand up in front of him. Oh oh yeah, big time.

1418
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: I get a really serious look on my face and

1419
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: I said, well, this, guys, is the story. It's kind

1420
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: of hard to tell because it's such a It was

1421
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: a huge moment for me, in one of the worst

1422
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: but most defining moments of my life. Um, but it was.

1423
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: It was a perfect autumn day and I think it

1424
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: was late October in the afternoon, probably thirty seven to

1425
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: forty degrees, just like you said, kind of that sweatshirt weather.

1426
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: I was sitting there was a beautiful night, sitting in

1427
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: the tree stand. You know. I had to explain to

1428
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: them that I had. You have this ladder or steps

1429
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: up the tree and then you sit up in this

1430
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: tree stand twenty ft up. And I was waiting for

1431
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: deer to come through. And I was bow hunting, and

1432
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: they couldn't believe you bow hunt, You shoot a bow

1433
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: and arrow. Oh my gosh, that's so incredible. Um. So

1434
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: I'm out there with my bow and a couple of

1435
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,799
Speaker 1: hours and I saw some squirrels I saw a turkey,

1436
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: saw coyote, and then finally a deer appeared, and it's

1437
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: a buck, and he starts walking towards me, and he's

1438
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: he's walking, he's getting closer and closer. My heart starting

1439
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,839
Speaker 1: to beat a little faster, a little faster. My breathing

1440
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: gets a little bit tense, and I grabbed my bow.

1441
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: And as I grabbed my bow, the arrow is on

1442
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: the end. It knocks a tree branch and the arrow

1443
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: falls off from the bow and clatters to the ground.

1444
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: And I have no other arrows. For whatever reason, I

1445
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: have no other arrows. And everyone's like, oh my gosh,

1446
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: what did you do? I said, well, this buck was

1447
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: coming and I couldn't let the opportunity to slip through

1448
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: my fingers. So as he slowly approaches, I stand up,

1449
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: ever so slowly, making sure that this tree, the tree

1450
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 1: stand doesn't creak, making sure I don't move too fast.

1451
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: And they slowly move around to the back side of

1452
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: the tree and put one ft on the ladder step,

1453
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: and then a hand, and then another foot, and I

1454
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: slowly begin climbing down the ladder. While I'm doing the

1455
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: sad is heading straight towards my tree, very slowly nipping

1456
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: at this leaf, nipping at that leaf, coming little bit closer,

1457
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: taking a step, looking around, taking a step, looking around,

1458
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: And every time he puts his head down the ground,

1459
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: I take another step down the ladder. This goes on

1460
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: for ten minutes. Every time he stops and looks around.

1461
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: I had to hold my breath because I was afraid

1462
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: that the frost and the steam coming out of my

1463
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: mouth might be visible to him. Well, I finally get

1464
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the tree, but I'm on the

1465
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,879
Speaker 1: opposite side of the tree from him. He's now coming closer.

1466
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: He's about five yards away, walking right towards my tree.

1467
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: And as he gets a little bit closer, I reached

1468
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,839
Speaker 1: into my pocket and I pull up my skinning knife

1469
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: in my hand. That I've got my knife in one hand,

1470
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: I've got my left arm holding onto the ladder. And

1471
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: the deer takes one more step, and I was right

1472
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: in front of the tree, and he finally takes one

1473
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: more step, just past the tree, and I swing down,

1474
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: grabbed the deer around the neck, pull him down to

1475
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: the ground, and slit his throat. And at that point

1476
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: I had twenty, you know, adults staring at me with

1477
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: her eyes wide open, their mouths down to the ground,

1478
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: just like completely enraptured and possibly horrified by me. And

1479
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: I just stood there, you know, and I had acted

1480
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: this all out with my hands, so they could see

1481
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: me slit the throat with my hand, and I just

1482
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: stared at them kind of the wild eyed look in

1483
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: my face, and they were just like they didn't say

1484
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: anything for like ten seconds. Everyone just stared at me,

1485
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: and I just stared back at them. And then finally

1486
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: it just started to crack up and I was like,

1487
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: that's that's just a made up story. And then they

1488
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: just they freaked out and they're like, oh my god,

1489
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: that's the most the craziest story. And then you know,

1490
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: they couldn't handle and they were just amazed by They

1491
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: really really believed I did that. And I kind of

1492
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: lived on inam for that. So that's that's the best

1493
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 1: deer hunting story I ever told and the best reaction

1494
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: I ever got from a deer hunting story. Oh man,

1495
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah, it was. It was a great moment.

1496
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: It was a great moment. I'll tell a really really

1497
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: short funny one. Um, my brother, my brother and I

1498
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: don't typically hunt. My brother is not a hunter, but

1499
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: once a year now we've kind of had a tradition

1500
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 1: where he'll come up and get in the tree stand

1501
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: with me. Don't don't look, don't judge him, but he's

1502
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: a golfer Mark. Oh, boys, he's one of those guys.

1503
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: So anyway, I was kind of waiting for a buck

1504
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: to come by, and I really wasn't too you know,

1505
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: interested in uh, And I can barely tell the story

1506
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: without laughing. But um, but we get in the tree

1507
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: and a couple of dose does come by, and it's

1508
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,839
Speaker 1: a it's a mature dough with two with two like yearlings,

1509
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: and the mature dough starts farting, and every time she farted,

1510
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: the little bucks or the little deer would get scared

1511
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: and like trot off and then like be on alert

1512
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then slowly work their way back.

1513
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: And this kind of just kept going on, and finally

1514
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: me and my brother are laughing so hard and that

1515
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: we can't like we can't muffle it anymore. We're just

1516
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: laughing that a deer notice us and runaway. So the

1517
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: deer's flagelence probably saved her life. But we're sitting in

1518
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: the tree stand just laughing, just belly laughing. It was hilarious.

1519
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: I've never heard a dear fart. I don't think, Oh

1520
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: my god, I hear him fart all the time. It

1521
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: must be an Iowa thing, not a star. Oh that's awesome. Yeah,

1522
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: I um, speaking of sounds. Here's another story. This is

1523
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: one of my favorite hunting memories. And it won't be

1524
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: quite as funny to people because they don't know the person.

1525
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: But my grandpa, again, like I've talked about, he had

1526
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: a huge impact on my life and my hunting, and

1527
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: he's a very very serious guy. He was military, big

1528
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: time military guy, and um, you know, he always has

1529
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: his rules and everything had to be spick and span

1530
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: and just right, and um just typically was was by

1531
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: the book, straight and narrow military guy. Well, we're at

1532
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: hunting camp during gunning season, you know, the whole cruise

1533
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: up there, and it was just you know, it was

1534
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: in the evening. We're all kind of sitting around. It's

1535
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: just a one room little cabin with the wood birding

1536
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: stove and a couple of couches and uh, we kind

1537
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: of sit around the stove and talk and you know,

1538
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: have a coffee or beer or coke or whatever, and

1539
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: that was kind of the evening. Sometimes play cards, well

1540
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: list night. I remember we're all sitting out there just

1541
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of talking in the cabin and my dad and

1542
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: my uncle said that let's go for a walk. They

1543
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: asked if an bales want to go, but no one did,

1544
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: so my dad and uncle decided to go for a walking.

1545
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: It must have been like a full moon is pretty

1546
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: bright out and um, there's a an old when then

1547
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,799
Speaker 1: old there's a two track that leads from our cabin's

1548
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: way back deep in the woods, leads back out to

1549
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: the closest road, but it's probably three quarters of a

1550
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: mile or a half mile, so we're way back off

1551
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: or back in this deep swamp. So when you're walking

1552
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: down this two track heading back towards the main road,

1553
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: there's no lights, there's no other houses, there's nothing out there.

1554
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: It's just you and then you know the deep timber

1555
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: and swamp kind of on either side of you. So

1556
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: they go off and they've gone this walk through the woods.

1557
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: Me and my grandpa and I think another one of

1558
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: my uncles, and maybe I think there was someone else.

1559
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: They were all just kind of sitting around, um talking

1560
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know what whatever we're doing socializing. Well,

1561
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: eventually we were playing cards or something. My grand grandpa

1562
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: went outside to go to the restroom. Um, because there's

1563
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: kind of a piano tree outside of there's an outhouse,

1564
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: and the rest of us continue talking and whatever, laughing,

1565
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Well, maybe fifteen minutes go by, and

1566
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, here crashing on the deck like crash, crash, crash,

1567
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: big stumps, and the door flings open and it's my

1568
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: dad and my uncle. My dad at this point was

1569
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: probably forty forty five something like that, so he's he's old,

1570
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: not old, but he's an adult. UM and my uncle

1571
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: and they were panting like they were panting and they

1572
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: were panicked, and they walked into we just got chased

1573
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: by a bear. I'm like, what's yeah, we just got

1574
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: chased by a bear. And they were just they had

1575
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: literally ran like a quarter mile down this two track

1576
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: while they thought there had been a bear chasing them,

1577
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my gosh it. We were walking

1578
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 1: on the two track and we start hearing steps in

1579
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: the woods and we kept walking and we looked at

1580
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: each other and like, could that be a bear? Because

1581
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of black bears up there, and um

1582
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 1: then they heard like crashing and getting closer and closer,

1583
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden like coming right towards him,

1584
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: and they turned and like we're gonna run, and they

1585
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: sprinted all the way back to the cabin. So they're

1586
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: telling us the story like literally like, oh my gosh,

1587
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 1: we just had like a life flash before our eyes moment,

1588
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: and we're all like enraptured, like staring at them like,

1589
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe that just happened. And

1590
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: then my grandpa, who would all had forgotten, had gone

1591
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: out to the restroom steps back in the cabin and

1592
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: just starts chuckling and were looking like what are you

1593
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: laughing about? He's like that there was me and he

1594
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: had snuck like deep into the woods, like this is

1595
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: it just isn't something he would ever do. I would

1596
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: never have imagined him does. But he snuck all the

1597
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: way through the woods to get close to them and

1598
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: then make all this rash and coming tourism and scared

1599
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: that living the Jesus out of him. Oh my god,

1600
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: that's something that we will just I will never forget that.

1601
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: How much we laughed that just seeing my dad, my

1602
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: uncle that flustered and having it was a long way

1603
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 1: for my dad to run at that point. That was awesome,

1604
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: just awesome. So that was that was a great, great

1605
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: moment up at Kendra Roman. Oh. Memories, Yeah, memories. What

1606
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: a Well. So you got Dan, any other big experiences

1607
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: that stand out for you? Well, I can tell you.

1608
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: I can tell you a couple of learning experiences. Yeah,

1609
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: and it's another kind of a short story. But I

1610
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: had gained access to a farm um in a different

1611
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: part of the county that I that I hunt in

1612
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: and they're which my trail cameras caught some some big

1613
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: bucks and it was in the middle of the rut

1614
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: and it was warmer than normal. So I'm sitting here

1615
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: in this tree stand and I had decided to sit

1616
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: all day long, and uh so I packed the lunch

1617
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And that night I actually witnessed my very

1618
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: first buck fight. UM probably one fifty and one sixty

1619
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: class probably eight yards eight yards away from me tangled

1620
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: and that was awesome. And if you ever watch people

1621
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: on TV rattle and they they they kind of tinkle

1622
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: their antlers and racks their their horns together. Uh that

1623
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: does not sound anything like a buck fight. A buck

1624
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 1: fight sounds like a car rolling through the timber, just crash, boom, bang.

1625
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: And then you hardly hear the antlers at all. You'll

1626
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: hear them when they shift their their heads, but it's

1627
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: just pushing back and forth, branches snapping, leaves crashing and

1628
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: and I mean they're falling down, they're getting back up.

1629
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: And uh So, the next time you see someone rattle

1630
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: on TV and of just tickling the antlers together, uh

1631
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: you should call him out on it. Anyway, I'm sitting there, Um,

1632
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: it's unusually warm. That was in the morning when I

1633
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: heard the buck fight, so it had been eight hours,

1634
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: nine hours, and I still had not seen a deer.

1635
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: And uh so I'm like, and it's like seventy degrees

1636
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm out of here. I'm getting down.

1637
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: And that night was the last night I ever left

1638
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: I had. I left to stand early again. I walked

1639
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: down to this creek, hopped this fence into this big

1640
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: crp field, and standing on a trail that was leading

1641
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: to my stand was the most beautiful deer I have,

1642
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: the most beautiful, typical deer I have yet to see

1643
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: in my life. Uh two hundred easily two ten pointer,

1644
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: no junk, staring right at me, and he had a

1645
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: chocolate rack and his tips were like, uh, almost like

1646
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: an elk, you know how elk get those ivory tips.

1647
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: Um he had. He had those whitish tips. And I

1648
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: just remember looking at him, going, I wonder if I

1649
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: could note there he went, and he just bounded up

1650
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 1: over the over the hill. And that was the first

1651
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: and only time I've ever seen that buck. Probably the

1652
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: third biggest buck I've ever seen in my life. And

1653
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: right there, Yeah, that's crazy that that is the third

1654
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: biggest buck you've ever seen in your life. I'll tell

1655
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: you the story the biggest buck I've ever seen in

1656
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: my life. Shipwreck wasn't the biggest buck you ever say.

1657
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Shipwreck was not the biggest buck, not even close. Can

1658
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I just tell you I don't even like you as

1659
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: a person. I know, I just don't even So here's

1660
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: here's here's a really short story. I'm driving back home

1661
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: one night and there was some deer on this black

1662
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: top that I south of my south of my house

1663
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 1: and um where I hunt and where I used to live.

1664
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: And I had to slow down because there was this

1665
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: lady who owned house and had a whole bunch of

1666
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: bird feeders out, and the deer would eat out of

1667
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: these bird feeders, so I had to slow I always

1668
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: would slow down. And the house was on one side

1669
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: of the road, and there was a barn in some

1670
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: other sheds on the other side, and there was a

1671
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: yard light talking about here. We're talking about holding tractors

1672
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: and those kind of sheds. So I'm slow down, and

1673
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: I let this dough and I look. I let this

1674
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: dough run in front of me because she's heading over

1675
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: to the bird feeders. And I look, and there's some

1676
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: other doughs already, um uh, you know, already eating off

1677
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: the bird feeder. And I looked to my right. Underneath

1678
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 1: of this, underneath of this yard light, stands the most

1679
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: magnificent animal I have ever seen in my life. I

1680
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: don't know what a world record, what what would take

1681
01:29:56,200 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: to beat the world record typical buck, but this bucks

1682
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: G two's, G G three's and G four's, and it's

1683
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna sound like I'm exaggerating. We're probably all over fourteen

1684
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: inches mass. His his his bassis looked like I mean,

1685
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 1: this looked like as Larry Zach painting typical white tail

1686
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: extremely wide way out past his ears, just the giant

1687
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: cage of an animal. And I let go of my

1688
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: steering wheel and I just turned my head and watched

1689
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: as my car rolled by, and I'm just like, are

1690
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:42,520
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Like I don't believe my eyes, basically,

1691
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: and then I stopped. I drove up to the next driveway,

1692
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: pulled it, it it turned around, and came back and by

1693
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: that time he was gone, okay, but I got a

1694
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: really good look at him. The next day, I go

1695
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: over and I knock on the farmer's door and this

1696
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: is on a a popular black top and I say, hi,

1697
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: my name's uh Dan, and um, I was just kind

1698
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 1: of curious. I see you got a lot of deer

1699
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: in your property, would you? And before I can finish

1700
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: my sentence, he goes, you saw him, didn't you know?

1701
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:21,440
Speaker 1: And he goes nope, and I go I said, I said, uh,

1702
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: I go fair enough, and I just said I go.

1703
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: All I said to him was good luck. And I

1704
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: don't think that buck was killed. Um that's one of

1705
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: those deer that if if it was, you would have

1706
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: heard about it. Pictures would have surfaced. It was literally

1707
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have I'm not I'm gonna throw out a

1708
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: number here. I'm gonna stay somewhere between two twenty and

1709
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: to thirty as a typical probably sixteen pointer. I mean

1710
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: he had he was an eight by eight. That's crazy. Yeah,

1711
01:31:55,400 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: huge deer, huge deer. Yeah. So that is why I

1712
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: love just going to somewhere like Iowa. Like for me,

1713
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, here in Michigan. And again not trying knock Michigan,

1714
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: but I'm just not going to see deer like that. Um,

1715
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: you know if I see a one twenty in the field,

1716
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: like it was a big buck. Um. But like when

1717
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I go to Ohio or to Iowa especially, I just

1718
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: love driving around just to see thee you know, because

1719
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna see. You can see

1720
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: a one sixty or one seventy or one eighty or

1721
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: two twenty. Um. I just love seeing deer like that.

1722
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: That is awesome. Like I have a my first season

1723
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,759
Speaker 1: I ever hunted Iowa. We went there during the summer

1724
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: to do some scouting and hang some tree stands and

1725
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: do a little bit of velvet filming. And I'm one

1726
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: of my buddies, Ross Kendle and Pete and we're driving

1727
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: around and we're coming down this road, and I remember

1728
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: looking up. It's a little dirt road, country lane, and

1729
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: I just see this big We were actually sitting there,

1730
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 1: stopped because there's a little buck betted down some beans

1731
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: to the right of us, and we're looking out the

1732
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: window of this dear and then someone says, there's dear

1733
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: cross on the road, and we look across the road

1734
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: and there's a big buck just running across the road,

1735
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:06,640
Speaker 1: maybe a hundred yards in front of us. And he

1736
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: jumps across the road and there's a little fencer along

1737
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: the road and then another big bean field, and so

1738
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: he hops and he goes into the fence row, and

1739
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm just like, the first thing I thought was I

1740
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: need to get I gotta try to video this day.

1741
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: I want to see this here up close. So I

1742
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 1: hopped out of the truck and I kind of scoot

1743
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: up to the edge of the field. And he's still

1744
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 1: on the fencer, so we can't see me. And I

1745
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: crawled up to the edge of the soybean field my

1746
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: video camera and I kind of wait there. I'm waiting,

1747
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: hoping that the buck is going to come out into

1748
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: the field and I'll be able to see in my

1749
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: binocular is a film film him or something, and he

1750
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: starts walking down the edge of the field right towards me,

1751
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 1: and eventually like twenty yards away from me, walks right

1752
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: in front of me. And this is just at that

1753
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: point and probably still to this day, I think, if

1754
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I think about it, the biggest buck I've ever seen.

1755
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: And he's like somewhere in the one eighties, and at

1756
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: that point, just the biggest thing I've ever seen by far,

1757
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: just a giant, huge and he had like um his

1758
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 1: brow times weren't it wasn't a single brow tann It

1759
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: was like like a circular saw blades, like big serrated

1760
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,799
Speaker 1: edges all the way up is brow Tynes, just huge

1761
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: frame wrapping around and just the most beautiful deer I've

1762
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 1: ever seen. And he just comes slowly feeding his way

1763
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: right in front of me. And I just have the

1764
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: coolest video footage and the coolest memory of just seeing

1765
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: this beautiful deer like twenty yards away from me in

1766
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 1: the fading light in the bean field. Just unbelievable. And

1767
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, only in a place like Iowa or one

1768
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: of these other couple of states can you you know,

1769
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: have to happen on a random night like it's just

1770
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: the coolest thing to be close to an animal like that. Um,

1771
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: and that's still an experience I think about today is

1772
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: like one of the coolest deer experiences I've ever had.

1773
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: I just uh, man, and I actually had that video.

1774
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if you ever saw that, Dan,

1775
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: but I posted that video up on wire to Hunt before. Um. Yeah,

1776
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: so so yeah, I can put that in the show

1777
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: notes for anyone that wants to check that out. That

1778
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 1: was pretty cool, very cool, right, That's it's it's what

1779
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: it's all about. Man. Unfortunately, I just wish that on

1780
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: some of these stories we would be on the opposite

1781
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 1: end instead of the Hey, I just have a story. Um,

1782
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: it would be nice one of these days to get

1783
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: one of those, Hey, let me show you, you know,

1784
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: let me show you this about he's downstairs, you know

1785
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: what I mean? I agree, But then you know what

1786
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: I think about when you say that too. So we've

1787
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: got these incredible stories and we both we both killed

1788
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 1: some big bucks. But you know, it's those aren't the

1789
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: stories that we're telling here, Like those aren't necessarily Sure,

1790
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: we do tell those stories sometimes, but that's not you know,

1791
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: when we kill a deer. That's not necessarily always going

1792
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: to be the story and the memory that has the

1793
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: greatest impact on us. It's these other things. It's the

1794
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 1: time Grandpa scared dead, or it's the time that you

1795
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 1: and your brother saw dove arting, you know, And I

1796
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: think it's I think that's one of the really really

1797
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: cool things about what we do about deer hunting and

1798
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: hunting and being the outdoors of the time we get

1799
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to spend with the family and friends and the experiences

1800
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and the lessons learned. And I think that's a good

1801
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: reminder for me and maybe some other people out there that,

1802
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes right down to it, putting

1803
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: a bullet or an arrow in a big buck or whatever,

1804
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, it isn't life and death. It's not the

1805
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: most important thing. And sometimes I think we need to

1806
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: look back on these stories and these memories and remember

1807
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: how great these are. Right, It's not all about the kill. Yeah,

1808
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: I think I think that's probably a good place to

1809
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: end off to. This has been a longer episode than

1810
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: usual too, But we just I guess once we get talking,

1811
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: we can't stop him with well, and I know me

1812
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: and you we could keep going. We could we could

1813
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: we could definitely keep going. Yeah, but I imagine there's

1814
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: some people who well I might already might have already

1815
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: signed off, like enough these guys talking so gissing me off.

1816
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: Not even a good tip in there at all. But alright,

1817
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 1: my friend, don't leave your tree standardly. There there's the tip.

1818
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: There you go, good lesson learned, And uh yeah, that's

1819
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: all I got. So let's shut it down. We'll we'll

1820
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: be back next week with hopefully some some good lessons learned,

1821
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: strategies and tips and whatnot. But I think for today,

1822
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: this is a good place for us to end. And

1823
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I know this wasn't our usual information packed episode, but

1824
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: I hope you guys still enjoyed this, this little trip

1825
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: down memory lane, and maybe you two were able to

1826
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: think back on some of your great stories and memories

1827
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: and maybe just like just like I've been here reminded

1828
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: of how important those things are. So so that said,

1829
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: I guess wrapping things up, if you have been enjoying

1830
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: the podcast, as we always ask, if you could leave

1831
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,719
Speaker 1: a rating or review on iTunes, that's really really helpful.

1832
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: That helps us get the show in front of new people,

1833
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: and it helps, you know, let people know who are

1834
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: looking for a deer hunting podcast, you know whether or

1835
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: not this is one that's worth their time. And I

1836
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: think and I hope that a lot of you think

1837
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 1: it is, so, so thank you for sharing that. Also,

1838
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: if you haven't done so already, make sure you're subscribed

1839
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: to the podcast, you can do that on iTunes, on

1840
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: the Apple podcast app, on the Stitcher app, um, wherever

1841
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: it might be for you, make sure you subscribe so

1842
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: you get the future episodes downloaded right to your phone

1843
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: or your tablet, your computer every week. That way, you

1844
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 1: don't when you think about it, You're just gonna wake

1845
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: up on Thursday mornings and and there it is. So

1846
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: that makes it super easy. Um. Also want to thank

1847
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: our partners who helped make this show possible. So big.

1848
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: Thank you to sick A Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

1849
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows, Hunt Soft Lacrosse Boots, Big

1850
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: and Jay, Long Range Attractings, and the White Tail Institute

1851
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: of North America. And finally, thank you to all of

1852
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: you listening today. You know, there's some very very exciting

1853
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 1: things on the horizon for Wire to Hunt and for

1854
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: the podcast, and it's all because you guys. And girls

1855
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 1: have all been so supportive. So thanks for your time,

1856
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: thanks for listening in, thanks for giving us your feedback,

1857
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 1: and thank you for staying wire to hunt