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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Steffan

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Speaker 1: never Told You reflection. iHeart radio and we are so

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Speaker 1: happy to be.

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Speaker 2: Joined on this text day.

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Speaker 1: Bye, good friend of the show, excellent coworker, Joey.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Joey, Hey, thanks for having me. Super excited to

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Speaker 3: talk about taxes. Yes, that's definitely what that's what everyone

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Speaker 3: loves talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well we are talking about.

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Speaker 1: A tent pole event kind of, but not taxes because

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Speaker 1: as we record this, yes, four twenty is coming up.

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Speaker 1: We have done past episodes on some of the issues

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Speaker 1: with four twenty if you want to go back and

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Speaker 1: find that, and just like the weed industry in general,

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Speaker 1: and then do you want to hear about the food

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Speaker 1: side of it on Savor go check that out. But

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Speaker 1: when you suggested this topic, Jerry, I immediately knew what

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Speaker 1: you were talking about because you and I both have

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Speaker 1: seen I think it's the same commercial.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it's a lot. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: going around. Yes, so what are we talking about, Joey? Yeah, so, surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about weed.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk particularly about some of the advertising

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Speaker 3: that we're seeing currently targeted at women selling weed or

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Speaker 3: cannabis products, and some of the conversations that are that

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Speaker 4: I like, how y'all are talking about this, and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what either one of you are

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Speaker 4: talking about. I have not been given any.

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Speaker 2: Of these ads.

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Speaker 4: Oh if any government officials listening, I have not been

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Speaker 4: a part of those crow.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I would never.

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Speaker 3: Well, And I mean the conversation of legality and all

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Speaker 3: of that also plays into this, which is interesting. Quick

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Speaker 3: content warning up top, obviously, like I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about weed, cannabis. I'm going to keep using the

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Speaker 3: word weed just because that's the word that I use

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Speaker 3: mostly in conversation with my friends, but of course, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just referring to cannabis generally in this conversation. Of course,

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Speaker 2: So I just want to put that up top.

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Speaker 3: One more quick disclaimer, since we're talking about cannabis, I'm

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Speaker 2: Everybody's body reacts differently.

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Speaker 3: Everybody has their own sort of experiences with cannabis. I

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Speaker 3: but don't take that as like the you know, word.

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Speaker 2: Of the law of how these things.

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Speaker 3: You know, Again, everybody processes things differently, like don't I'm

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Speaker 3: So I'm coming in it from that perspective. That being said,

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Speaker 3: I'm not putting any sort of moral value to that.

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Speaker 3: Whether or not it's something you want to partake in,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, basically, girl rot girl, why is this happening?

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Speaker 2: Samantha and nanny.

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Speaker 3: I have a question for you, which is that are

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Speaker 3: It's it's one of the premier exports of American culture,

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Speaker 3: I think. But basically this sort of commercial usually looks

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Speaker 2: But I've got XYZ product to help me out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to smoke weed.

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Speaker 2: So because the whole thing is it's very like.

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Speaker 3: You know which, I'm not going to get into the

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Speaker 3: like taking gummies versus smoking. I think that's a personal choice,

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Speaker 3: but the implication is like smoking's gross. I need to

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Speaker 3: It is like a stress reliever. But yeah, the way

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I've seen these. I've seen these and I

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Speaker 1: at skipping youtwoe bats. I know, that fifteen second mark

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Speaker 1: So I never saw beyond that part.

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Speaker 2: It's so fascinating.

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Speaker 3: I just I think this commercial really like this and

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Speaker 3: these types of commercials that we're both getting, because this

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Speaker 3: So basically, like whenever we're talking about this sort of thing, Basically,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so this is the latest of that. Some

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Speaker 3: quick background, really quick. While medical use of cannabis has

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Speaker 3: ninety six, Colorado became the first state to legalize recreational

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Speaker 3: lead in twenty fourteen, so just ten years ago. Now

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Speaker 3: ten years later, recreational marijuana is legal in twenty four states.

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Speaker 2: Again, that includes the only two.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have any anything else

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Speaker 5: There're still a big debate with it. There's needs and

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Speaker 4: So the it's really complicated here. It's supposed to decriminalize

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Speaker 2: Five years in. So it's complicated. It's complicated. That's yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's it's complicated.

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Speaker 3: And once again, as I saw at the top, like

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Speaker 3: and most states has been really complicated in things keep

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Speaker 3: the whole thing is is just politics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all you know, none of it acts that

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Speaker 2: It's always the you know, underlying things.

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Speaker 3: So but yeah, that's not to say it is very complicated.

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Speaker 3: I bring up this idea of legalization and the fact

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Speaker 3: that it is fully legal in twenty four states to

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Speaker 3: introduce this idea that like, this conversation about weed is

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Speaker 3: so so different than it was like even five years ago.

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Speaker 2: And hence that's you know why Annie and I.

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Speaker 3: Are getting a lot of these advertisements all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: because you're like, yeah, has already said an idea.

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Speaker 2: So I guess I always good, thank you. I'm just

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Speaker 2: not one of the cool kids. It's okay, it's right,

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Speaker 3: So I do want to hear more about the THHC

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Speaker 3: infused not alcoholic liquor you guys had, because that's not

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Speaker 2: And again, like I.

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Speaker 3: which you know, I have no problems with that. Motherhood

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Speaker 3: But it is saying that people are immoral simply for

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Speaker 3: And through this kind of new marketing of making products

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Speaker 2: Because it's for girls. So if you don't know what

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Speaker 3: According to Investipedia, the pink tax is the tendency for

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Speaker 3: I think the problem is when this is the majority

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Speaker 1: Well, interestingly, one of the other because I saw all

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Speaker 1: book club and they're all like passed out, and they're like,

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00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: are you tired of drinking and the hangover? Take your

442
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: weed gummies. But it also was like, you won't get

443
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: the calories from drink, you'll just get the the high.

444
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: But going back to that idea of like the wine

445
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: mom and the weed mom, there was this big concern

446
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: about like a past host Bridget did an episode on

447
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: it about like the rise of drinking to essentially deal

448
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: with Trump and the patriarchy m hm. And so it

449
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: became all like the wine mom who is miserable and

450
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: she's drinking just to like get through the day.

451
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: And now it's like, well.

452
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: People are kind of moving away from alcohol, they still

453
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: want to be thin, but nothing's really gotten better.

454
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Speaker 2: Take care, take your weed right right. And this is

455
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Speaker 2: will to say.

456
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think the whole conversation about

457
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: wine Mom's like that it's its own very complicated thing.

458
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times, like you said, it's

459
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: rooted in these real world stress and expectations that a

460
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: we live in a we live in a world that

461
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: is very hostile towards women or to anybody who is

462
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: not a sis man. And then also you know a

463
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Speaker 3: lot of times motherhood, all of these things they're they're

464
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: very stressful there.

465
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Speaker 2: You're not given a lot of support.

466
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Speaker 3: We don't live in a culture that lends women or

467
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: people that are doing this like a lot of support.

468
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 3: It makes sense that people are turning to alcohol and

469
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: then now are turning to weed because these are again

470
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: stress relievers. And but then there is of course then

471
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: the concern of yeah, like when does it become a

472
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: substance abuse issue? When does it become a thing to

473
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: numb the pain up the rest of the world and

474
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: not something that you're just doing for fun. And I'm

475
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: I'm not getting a ton into substance abuse when it

476
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: comes to weed and here just because that I think

477
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: there is still like a lot of research that needs

478
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: to be done, and I that is a way bigger

479
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: conversation than I kind.

480
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: Of have the capacity to talk about.

481
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I think these are things to

482
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: remember as we're seeing cannabis and we become more normalized

483
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: and more like mainstream, if i'd I do think it

484
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: is also interesting to talking about the way that this

485
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: whole conversation about how weat is being marketed towards women

486
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: and these ideas of like girl weed or weed for

487
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: women kind of companies. I think it's interesting to juxtapose

488
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: that with the historic and ongoing expert of women in

489
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: cannabis product marketing and advertising, as well as sort of

490
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 3: the gender barriers within the actual industry. I found this

491
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: really fantastic piece from the Denver Post that I will

492
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: link in the notes called opinion weed Bros Still cling

493
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: to a quote booth babes and no girls in the

494
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: grow sexist mentality written by cannabis journalists Lindsay Bartlett. She writes,

495
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: objectification of women's bodies is interwoven into the very language

496
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: of weed, from culsovar names to packaging, over sexualized marketing,

497
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: booth babes and trim bits.

498
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: Strain names like mill.

499
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: Dirty girl and tits have circulated the adult use marketplace.

500
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: No matter how well it's grown, it tastes like violence.

501
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: And I will say this is usually the kind of

502
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: thing I'm actually a little bit more skeptical about, Like

503
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 3: I do think sometimes like these kind of names sometimes

504
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: could just be a little bit funnier, I think.

505
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: But I do see where she's coming from.

506
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: And I think particularly Bartlett is writing as somebody who

507
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: has worked in the industry and has worked as as

508
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: a woman in the industry and dealt with the misogyny

509
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: of the industry. I can see how that can be

510
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: incredibly frustrating, especially when you are contrasting it with the

511
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: sort of like she was talking about, the sort of

512
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: no girls and grow idea that exists in a lot

513
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: of the grow side of the industry. And so the

514
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: fact that this is happening and the fact that we're

515
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: seeing again like the prevalence of these kind of these

516
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: more misogistic names or this mentality. This is happening in

517
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: tangent with discrimination cases such as one in twenty twenty

518
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: two that Bartlett writes about, in which quote, two former

519
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: employees filed a lawsuit against a Los Angeles based grow,

520
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: alleging that the company discriminates against women. One plaintiff was

521
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: told quote is called jungle boys for a reason, and

522
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: that women were not allowed in the grow. Bartlett also

523
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: points to a twenty twenty one case in which quote,

524
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 3: a well known multi state cannabis brand posted a photo

525
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: of a woman being used as a table with a rig,

526
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: hash and other accoutrements placed on her back to hundreds

527
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: of thousands of consumers on social media. Had a woman

528
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: been invited to the marketing table, she might have told

529
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: them that using this photo was a terrible idea. And

530
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: that was the one that really made me like, oh wow, okay, yeah,

531
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: that sounds like a very misogynistic image, and I think

532
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: that is something that is important to remember when it

533
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: is contrasted again with these companies that are presenting themselves

534
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: as again like weed for women or weed for girls.

535
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: We're going to charge you a little bit more for this,

536
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: and then the mainstream weed companies are very much leaning

537
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: into these older misogynistic marketing techniques.

538
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Speaker 2: Like I mentioned earlier, this is very similar to the.

539
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: Cigarette industry, like a century ago. A lot of times cigarettes,

540
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: when they were marketed towards women, it was about how

541
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: like it makes you look so like classy and sophisticated,

542
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: or it's something that's very liberating for you. And then

543
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: when you see cigarette ads that were aimed at men,

544
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: they oftentimes like women were very much objectified. So yeah,

545
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: and then if that's not enough to be angry about,

546
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: I want to bring up one more case from that

547
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: article that Bartlett wrote in which he says, quote in

548
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, so this year, a recent lawsuit audaciously

549
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: claims that social equity regulations in New York, which have

550
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: attempted to safeguard licenses for minorities, women and those hit

551
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: hardest by the War on drugs, are discriminatory against men.

552
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: Men hold the majority of c suitet roles in weed,

553
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: and some things really stuck out to me. I also

554
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: work on Brigit Todd's podcasts. There are no girls on

555
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: the internet who's often on this show, and this is

556
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: something that comes up a lot on that show. So Ever,

557
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: since the Supreme Court ruling against defirmative action last summer,

558
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: there had been a wave of lawsuits against programs and

559
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: measures that have attempted to reverse some of the deep,

560
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: deep rooted inequalities in all aspects of the American economy

561
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: and systems of power. And these lawsuits are concerning for

562
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: so so many reasons, and they also are just like

563
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: contra to reality.

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00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: And like in that.

565
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: Quote from Bartlett, she states, you know, the majority of

566
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: c suite roles in the cannabis industry as well as

567
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: every other industry that's being targeted by these sort of lawsuits,

568
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: are still held.

569
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: By men, and usually white men.

570
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: So there's this whole sort of panic over this isn't

571
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: happening in a vacuum. Every sort of moral panic that

572
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: we're seeing over again any kind of small steps to

573
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: reverse the historic inequality that exists in a lot of

574
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: our systems. DEI is the big kind of buzzword thing

575
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: that conservatives are attacking right now. Cannabis, the cannabis industry

576
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: is just the latest sort of victim of this very

577
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: I want to say short sighted, but it's not really

578
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 3: short sighted because the people doing these lawsuits know exactly

579
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: what they're doing, but yeah, the cannabis has become the

580
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: latest victim of that. So I looked a little bit

581
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: more into this New York lawsuit. So basically, when weed

582
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: was first legalized in New York and a similar thing

583
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: happened in Illinois, I don't know if this happened in

584
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: other states. I'm sure similar programs were put in place,

585
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: but those legislation mandated the investment of forty percent of

586
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: all adult use cannabis tax revenue toward rebuilding communities harmed

587
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 3: by the War on drugs. That's according to the New

588
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: York Office of Cannabis Management. And also the law quote

589
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: establishes a goal of awarding fifty percent of all adult

590
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: use licenses to distinct see social and economic equity groups

591
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: including individual or individuals from a community disproportionately impacted by

592
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: cannabis prohibition, a minority owned business, a woman owned business,

593
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: distressed farmers, or service disabled veterans. And so the case

594
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: that is currently happening in New York, a pair of

595
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: white dudes were mad that they had to wait a

596
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: little bit longer to get a dispensary license, and so

597
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: now they're suing the state of New York, saying that

598
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: this policy that tries to prioritized communities that have been

599
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: more historically impacted by the War on drugs is somehow

600
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: being racist and misogynistic to them as white men, to

601
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: groups that have historically faced a lot of discrimination in

602
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: this country. They are being represented pro bono by the

603
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: Pacific Legal Foundation, which is a libertarian law firm.

604
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: Just putting that out there. A lot of these cases.

605
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: Seem to be getting pro bono representation by activist law firms.

606
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: Wonder why that is.

607
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: And I will say, all of this being said, then

608
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: New York cannabis rollout, like industry rollout, has been kind

609
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: of a mess.

610
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: So I'm not too worried. Knock on wood, We'll see.

611
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: But there actually is another lawsuit ongoing in which four

612
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: women are suing the State of New York for the

613
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: opposite reason.

614
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: The way that the.

615
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: Licensing system works right now is there's kind of this

616
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: lottery system that randomizes the queue for cannabis licenses, and

617
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: the women are claiming that the system doesn't actually do

618
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: anything to help them kind of gain more, you know,

619
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: of a priority.

620
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: There was an article in which they spoke with.

621
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: The lawyer who is representing these women, and they said

622
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: that they're actually not going to pursue a like discrimination

623
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 3: case because that would be too complicated. They're they're sort

624
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: of more looking at it as a like, hey, this

625
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: system isn't really working. Can be fixed it so that

626
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: it actually works the way it's supposed to do. And

627
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: also one work quick tangent about this whole case and

628
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: everything going on in New York. According to a Forbes

629
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: article on the lawsuits and sort of just the overall

630
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: chaotic state of the weed industry of New York, quote,

631
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: as the legal retail industry has flagged, unlicensed weed retail

632
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: stops spots had exploded, with more than fifteen hundred unlicensed

633
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: operations compared to just nine legal venues. So like, I

634
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: don't know, there's a lot you could take away from that.

635
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: I would argue, there are, you know, maybe bigger things

636
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: to figure out than making sure that two white men

637
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: who really really want to open a dispensary are feel

638
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: like they're being treated fairly.

639
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyways, the whole.

640
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: Kind of weed legal bead industry rollout has been a mess,

641
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: And I think that also is important to think about

642
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: when we talk about these kind of issues.

643
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just a quick point to remember

644
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 4: that arrests are still happening. Yeah on the federal level,

645
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: like a pretty substantial amount of people who are being

646
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 4: arrested for possession. And yeah, that federal level is a

647
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: big concern. That's been a conversation that's been happening for

648
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: a minute. And again it is disproportionately the black community

649
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: who was being arrested, which is kind of hilarious that

650
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: the corporate worlds, that capitalist world are like, yeah, let's

651
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: jump on. It is not really going well and people

652
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 4: are still getting arrested, but we can still make money.

653
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: And again, the majority of the shareholders are white men

654
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: who have been less impacted from jump from beginning, Like

655
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: we know when we've heard many stories where white men

656
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 4: are able to get out of having smoking openly, while

657
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: people from the black community are literally planted with buds

658
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 4: and then arrested for years and years and years and

659
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: I'll go into debt because they have no money to

660
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Speaker 4: do bond and all that stuff. So it is still

661
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: important to remember that, yeah, this is going one way,

662
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 4: and we wanted this to be equitable for all peoples.

663
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: But the fact that people are still being arrested and

664
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 4: incarcerated on top of that, being arrested with multiple charges

665
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: because they've already had a bad record with weed and

666
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: typically a lot of these accounts these people are is

667
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: just weed and can never get back on their feet,

668
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: meaning they can't get jobs, meaning they're still blacklisted from

669
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: so many organizations when they just had perhaps a couple

670
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: of essentially like just literally having a couple of bounces.

671
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: Because even in the state of Georgia, one ounce can

672
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 4: get you still up to a year or a ten

673
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 4: thousand dollar fine, like get lover five to ten thousand

674
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: dollar fine. It's amportant to who you are, if you

675
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 4: have representation and or how the arresting officer fills that day.

676
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: So it's really just absurd of what this is happening,

677
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: because the discrimination and the discrepancies on how this is

678
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 4: looked at is so wide ranging, m that it's almost

679
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: like a legend. Oh, you know, they tell you, like

680
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 4: as this is like a folklore, don't go to this area.

681
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's just so absurd, for sure, It's it's ridiculous.

682
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: I mean, and I think that that is that's such

683
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: an important point. It is important to remember like, yeah,

684
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: it is still criminalized, and a lot of this country

685
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: is still criminalized on a federal level. And I think again,

686
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: I with talking about the commercials that I'm getting and

687
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: talking about these sort of marketing techniques we're seeing, because

688
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: you really, it is such an obvious example of the

689
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: fact that there's just like two vastly different worlds that

690
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: exist in the US, and it is one hundred percent

691
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: based on who you are, what your identity is, how

692
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: much money you have, Like I can come on here

693
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 3: and I can hag and joke about, you know, having

694
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: used weed and talk about this as a like you know, sociology,

695
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: like let's talk about these images of women that we're

696
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: seeing issue. And then at the same time, there's people

697
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: being arrested for way less and serving serious jail time.

698
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: There are people that you know, the reason that all

699
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: of these legislations, the reason that there's there's so much

700
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: emphasis on making sure that these communities that were most

701
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: impacted by the War on drugs and individuals that were

702
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: impacted by the War on drugs, how that making sure

703
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: that those people can now perceive the benefits of the

704
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: like legal cannabis industry and can maybe have like a

705
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: fast pass to getting a license to sell cannabis recreationally

706
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: and all of this. It's because the War on drugs

707
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: ruined lives and ruined communities, and that is something that

708
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: I think.

709
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: We need to remember and we need to remember even.

710
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: As and I do, I think it is like ultimately

711
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: a net positive that weed as being more normalized and

712
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: that cannabis consumption is seen as something that is just

713
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: like it's like having a beer, it's like going out

714
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: to a bar.

715
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: It is just like a normal part of human life.

716
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: But it's so important to remember, like that was not

717
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: that long ago, and that is where we're coming from,

718
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: and that is still the reality that lots of people

719
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: in this country face.

720
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just to put a capra on it, our

721
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: vice president Kamala Harris has there's still people in prison

722
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 4: that she put in there for marijuana use like that,

723
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: and has not she has not rectified that situation like

724
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 4: I want to.

725
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: You know, we were so proud.

726
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: When she became vice president, but we can't ignore that

727
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: a lot of our politicians had big hands in this.

728
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: Of Course, I always argue about the fact that you

729
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 4: have to do what you have to do to get

730
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: to where you are, and for black women, for the

731
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: black community and in general, like that has to be

732
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: the game. They toe the line because that's the only way,

733
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: that was the only way for so many to get

734
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: to being able to make a difference and make changes.

735
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: But have to have that conversation, but are you making

736
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: those changes? And with talks about this because this is

737
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: a growth Like we we get excited in that this

738
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 4: is a growing industry. We are becoming a little more

739
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: progressive and understanding this. But when it's not in a

740
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: line that is beneficial to everyone, that's that's the downfall

741
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: of this. And it goes with production as well, and

742
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: who is being marketed and how it's being marketed and

743
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: who's able to get to it and that level as well.

744
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: And like having these types of conversations at a very

745
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 4: new industry. This could be a great industry. But yeah,

746
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: already jumping into pink text. Come on, like it's all

747
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: these levels right right.

748
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: And on that note, I want to end with a

749
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: couple more positive, lighter stories regarding weed and.

750
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: Women and nonsense men.

751
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: So, first off, a twenty twenty two Harvard Blood survey

752
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: which looked at patterns of cannabis use in menopausal and

753
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: postmenopausal women found that quote, nearly seventy nine percent endorsed

754
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: it to alleviate menopause related symptoms. Of those, sixty seven

755
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: percent said cannabis helps with sleep disturbance, while forty six

756
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: percent reported it helps improve mood and anxiety. This article

757
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: from the Harvard Med School website make sure to point

758
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: out that this research is fairly new, and there's lots

759
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: more that needs to be done to study the long

760
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: term effects. Unfortunately, you know, the other side of the

761
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: criminalization is that it made it very difficult for people

762
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: to do actual research on cannabis and its health benefits

763
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 3: or negative effects either side of that for many years.

764
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, so we're kind of starting to see the

765
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: research and so that sort of research again. And yeah,

766
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: I mean this is one area in which this could

767
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: be very helpful for a lot of people that are

768
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: going through menopause or postmenopostal symptoms. And yeah, like whether

769
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: you know we're talking about THHC or CBD or whatever,

770
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 3: physical and mental relaxation and like the alleviation of pain

771
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: and stress. These are the things that drive people to

772
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: want to use cannabis to begin with.

773
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: And so I think that's good.

774
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: I think this is important to be looking into how

775
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: this is, this tool can be used to help people

776
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: and to help us sort of deal with you know,

777
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: we talked about the whole issue of weed moms using cannabi.

778
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like it is, it is.

779
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: Something that is a stress relief, and I think that

780
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: there is a lot more research that needs to be

781
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: done to really fully be able to use the benefits

782
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: of this quick personal anecdote on this issue personally, And

783
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: again back to my disclaimer of the top, just because

784
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: I'm saying this not me, This is the same for everybody.

785
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: To not take medical advice for me, but we'd it's

786
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: not really helpful for me, and like navigating gender dysphoria

787
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: and really like becoming more in tune with my body.

788
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: I dealt with really bad body dysmorphia for like a

789
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: very long time, and weed with something that really helped

790
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: me overcome that and deal with some of the harsher

791
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: symptoms of having to deal with gender dysphoria and body

792
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: dysmorphia and all these all these things that you know

793
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: come about as we live our lives, and I know

794
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: that unfortunately, I tried to look into whether there was

795
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: some like serious research that have been done about gender dysphoria,

796
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: and we use there really has not been because, surprise, surprise,

797
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: two things that have historically sort of been stigmatized have

798
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: been cannabis and also any sort of gender debians or

799
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: gendered on conformity.

800
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: So there has not been a ton of research.

801
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: But you know, from discussions I've had with friends, it

802
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: does not seem.

803
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 2: Like I'm the only one who's experienced this. And then one.

804
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: More article that was written by that cannabis journalist Lindsey

805
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: Bartlett who wrote the article about sexism in the industry

806
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: which I was citing earlier. She also wrote a recent

807
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: article for Forbes called quote, how Indigenous women are Revolutionizing

808
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: the cannabis Industry. I'm gonna link this in the show notes.

809
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: It's a really awesome article, but totally check it out.

810
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: But she for this article, she spoke to Mary Jane Oatman. Haha,

811
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: very funny, but.

812
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: I had to.

813
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: But she is the CEO and Executive director of the

814
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: Indigenous Cannabis Industry Alliance or ICIA.

815
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: From the ICIA website.

816
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: Their goals are quote, building an equitable and sustainable Indigenous

817
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: cannabis industry through sensible policy, education resources, educational and economic

818
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: opportunities for our indigenous entrepreneurs, tribal nations, and our communities.

819
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: And to provide access to Icia's network to connect tribal nations,

820
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: industry partners, advocacy groups, mentors, businesses, and aspiring entrepreneurs. So

821
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: the article goes into Oatman and how she got involved

822
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: in cannabis legislation and advocacy, and it says quote Oatman

823
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: is the fierce advocate she has today because her grandmother

824
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: went to federal prison for growing in the nineteen eighties,

825
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: which created a tremendous amount of stigma and shame around

826
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: cannabis use and cultivation in her family. She goes on

827
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: to say the aftershocks of the War on drugs is

828
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: still felt, especially by indigenous elders. It is a regular

829
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: practice to have drug dogs and targeted search on the reservation,

830
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: says Oapmen.

831
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: Her grandmother fears the police to this day.

832
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: My passion for doing this is because there are so

833
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: many grandmothers and grandfathers out there like my grandma, who

834
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: live in fear.

835
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to live in fear anymore.

836
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: And I think that goes back to Samantha, your point

837
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: about the fact that this is still something that is

838
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: federally prosecuted.

839
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: And.

840
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 3: Indigenous communities and these indigenous reservations are oftentimes particularly targets

841
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: of these.

842
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Sort of searches, the same way that a lot.

843
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: Of martialized communities within big cities are also targeted by

844
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: these policies. And so I really loved this article because

845
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: I really felt like a positive story about how communities

846
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: that are most impacted by this are now kind of

847
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: finding some empowerment economically or culturally through the cannabis industry.

848
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: And then also something that.

849
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: I really loved about this is that the article spotlights

850
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: not only the organization's activism around cannabis and cannabis y criminalization,

851
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: but also how it's not just something to be consumed,

852
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: but it is something that you know, has a lot

853
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: of potential as a sustainable material and has a lot

854
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 3: of potential to really have a lot of positive effects

855
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: in terms of like environmental activism. So indigenous communities and

856
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: land are often some of the first to be impacted

857
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: by climate injustice and catastrophes, and because of that, Oapmen

858
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 3: really talks about how important it is to look at

859
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: cannabis as an environmental issue as well. So she's quoted

860
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: in the article saying quote, the future is in industrial fiber.

861
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: That is transition needed for the climate change work we

862
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: have to do. Industrial fiber made with hemp is the gospel.

863
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: Cannabis can be smoked, yes, but an industrial fiber, large

864
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: scale manufacturing products breaking away from the plastic industry. That's

865
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: where tribes have a huge impact given our land rights.

866
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: This is also such an important issue to focus on

867
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: the whole war on drugs and the criminalization of cannabis

868
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: that really stunted a lot of research that could have

869
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: been one into how hemp can be used as a

870
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: sustainable material and particularly how it can be used as

871
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 3: a substitute things like plastic that are historically not very sustainable.

872
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: So to end with another quote from Oatmen from this article,

873
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: she said, quote, we need to do this in a

874
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: way that does not create a capitalistic commodity on the

875
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: backs of other earth. This is one of those campaigns

876
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: Icia is working on protecting mother Earth. Growing cannabis is

877
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: an environmentally conscious way the benefits the next generations. As

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Speaker 3: an organization, we will dig our heels in the sand

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00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: to make sure it is not a capitalistic approach, but

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00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: a human and healing approach.

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00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: And climate justice is so so important to how we

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00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: talk about the future.

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00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: It is like maybe the most important issue as we

884
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: talk about the future, and it is so tied to

885
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: capitalism and industry, and I think Oatmen's quote and Otmen's

886
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: sort of perspective on all of this is so refreshing

887
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: to look at hey, like, this is an industry that

888
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 3: has so much potential for a lot of good impacts,

889
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: a lot of good work to be done.

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00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: It has a lot of potential for us.

891
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: To have a new sort of understanding of the Earth

892
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: and a new relationship with the earth. So let's make

893
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: sure that we're not just using this as another thing

894
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: to kind of exploit the earth and exploit I'll do

895
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 3: all of the things that capitalism has historically done that

896
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: have led to the situation that we're in now with

897
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: climate change and the various environmental disasters that we all

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00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: kind of just live through.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I.

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00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: I think she's doing super important work. I hope that

901
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: the Icia gets to do more of this work and

902
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: gets to really like these are the kind of stories

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00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: I really hope that we continue to hear from the

904
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 3: growing cannabis industry, unless of the just you know, this

905
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: company used a super misogynistic ad, or we're getting girl

906
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 3: bead iteration for the millionth time and it cost twenty

907
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: percent more because there's.

908
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: A bow on it. But yeah, so I want to

909
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: stay hopeful.

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00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 3: I want to say positive and yeah, and then Annie,

911
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: as I.

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00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: Promised there was a Star Wars connection. I was going

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00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: to say, my current.

914
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 3: Stash box is a return of the Jedi lunchbox that

915
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: I bought when I was like eight years old.

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00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: It feels right.

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00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I believe Yoda wasite.

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Speaker 2: If anybody it was.

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00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: We also know about Holiday Special and how fun.

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00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 3: I do not accept any modern au of Star Wars

921
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: where the Millennium Falcon is not just like a weed van.

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00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: It almost always.

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00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: It's really funny because the lead singer of the Mamas

924
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: and Papa's a quote came out from her recently where

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00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: she saw Star Wars and was like pointed at Harrison

926
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: Ford and said, that's my weed dealer.

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00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: So I feel like there was Carrie Fisher quote to

928
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: where she was also like like I don't like it.

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00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: I like it.

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00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: Anyways, had to connect it back to Star Wars this

931
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: is so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I want to see a picture of this box. Yes,

934
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: I love it.

935
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: They got right next to them just in case, and

936
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 3: now they've destroyed it, knocked it over.

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00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: But don't worry. I love it so good. And I

938
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: do really like the environmental points at the end. Because

939
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: it is birthday also for twenty it is earth Day.

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00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: No, no, it's it's it's April twenty second, right, oh,

941
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: because my birthday is the twenty second of a different month,

942
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: so it was very important to make that.

943
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: Birthday is also a twenty second. I was like, I'm

944
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: pretty sure your birthday is not going no, no.

945
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: No, no, my birthday is not until the summer. But

946
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: it is April twenty second. Is Earthday? Close enough? Close

947
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: it up.

948
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: I think it's because a lot of companies, like when

949
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I was in school, you would celebrate on the Friday,

950
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: and I had a friend whose birthday was April twentieth,

951
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: and he was always like, Earth Day, take my wind

952
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: out of the sales of my birthday.

953
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's close. It's Green week. You know, it's Joey's day.

954
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you so much for coming on, Joey.

955
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: We always love having you. Of course, I believe there

956
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: will be some more breaking down of TikTok trends.

957
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely in the future.

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Speaker 1: Well in the meantime, where can the good listeners find you?

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00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram or Twitter at pat

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Speaker 3: not prat that's p A T t.

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Speaker 2: N O T p r A T T.

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Speaker 3: Or you can also hear me occasionally on There Are

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Speaker 3: No Girls of the Internet with Bridget Todd, where we

964
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: talk about a lot of things that might be interesting

965
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: to people who listen to this show.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, go check this out always definitely and past

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Speaker 1: episodes Minty oh yeah too, oh yeah, yeah, okay, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: thanks again Jerry for being here and listeners. If you

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